HOT Harley Twin Cam Engine Tear Down | Harley Trike | Engine Teardown | Kevin Baxter | Pro Twin Perf
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- It's a HOT Harley Twin Cam Engine! Watch as I tear down this Twin Cam Harley from a 2004 Harley Touring model with a Trike Conversion for a Twin Cam 117 Skunkworks build. Part 5 of our Engine Tear Down Marathon!
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I love it when 40k is considered high mileage.
Enjoy your videos, I was suprised to learn Harley uses Forged pistons, I expected cast. I have a 2004 with close to 70k miles so I may be coming for a visit soon. Thanks again!
My 2012 103 ran super hot, and had detonation problems from the first day I had it. I recently got rid of the cats, and put a tune on it, and no more detonation, and much cooler
Man it's been a busy summer! Finally getting a chance to catch up on the vodoo that you do so amazingly well. About to pop the top on a cold one and watch a few more. Thank you Kevin for what you do here!
Awesome. This is hitting close to home. My 05 softail was lean, now very rich and I have those struggling issues certain times...😬
there has to be a balance for sure.
Thank you for posting this series.
Enjoy learning new things and I definitely want to know what happened with this engine!
Thanks!
No problem!
Another great video as always Kevin. Have a great weekend and week next week!
American flag reflecting in the cylinder at 7:02-7:09 is a pretty cool unintended special effect
All I could really see is the American flag and I'm most certainly good with that! Murica! I trust Kevin's diag of the issue. Just good to see the flag without some MSNBC reporter feeling that it was to much for her delicate sensibilities......snowflake......
I have done more than one cam job, hydraulic or gear drive update and never seen as much sumping or nasty oil. Of course not nearly as many as you. However, it sure is getting to be a concern. Great video!
Thanks for sharing. This series has had more than i expected...just grabbing 8 engines at random.
Always interested in the final results of the builds...curious about this one
the carbon is like you firing up your grill. the charcoal stays hot.
Thanks kevin! Love the twin cam series.👍 keep em coming please sir.
A Jagg oil cooler with the fan might solve a lot of heat problems on this one. On top of that I am a big supporter of thermal coatings on pistons, combustion chambers, valve faces, exhaust valve stem and port.
Really enjoy all your videos, but why do you consider 40 thousand high miles for that engine, i have a bone stock 2013 FLHR-P with a 103 & hopefully plan on getting way more than that on my engine with good maintenance
Just keeping up on all your videos as presently tearing down my 103 in a 2009 trike - 45k -km. did you ever come to a conclusion of the sumping? Thanks from Canada and keep up the great videos.
Thank you so much for your videos. I’m moving to North Carolina from Texas this summer and I’m planning on visiting you soon for you to build me a motor. I already installed S&S cam plate w oil pump and tw222 cams using your videos. But my runout is 7000 on a new motor I bought a year go for my 07 Street Glide and it only has 5000 miles so I’m planning on getting dark horse crank and go bigger displacement from 103 to probably 110.
Look forward to it Tim. Thank you sir.
Just discovered your vids. At 69 till too young to spend all day on UA-cam. But your vids can be truly addictive. I have a 2001 TC so finding those teardowns the most interesting so far. But must admit, that any engine deep dive with someone who knows what there doing is like candy to me. My only question is how to you keep your hands so clean? Are you using a hand model stand-in?? ;-)
Why don't I put a drain plug at the bottom of my crank case where you found all that sludge? Seems to me I'd want to have access to that lowest spot. I'm upgrading to an S&S crank case, though, the Harley cases were fairly clean when I took them apart after 41,000 miles, is sludge buildup/ sumping going to be a problem there too? These videos are a confidence builder for when I finally get to put my 2013 103 back together (I don't have to rely totally on the service manual , though, God knows I paid enough for it). Thanks Kevin, I appreciate all the expert info!
Sorry push send by mistake
Thanks for looking & any help i be grateful for cheers kev
Probably a silly question but can choice of engine oil and its performance, or lack thereof, result in excessive engine heat?
Absolutely....
Greetings from Arkansas Kevin! Pulled the diaper off a Mack this morning. Looked far worse than this engine. The rods were black and the bearing material from 3 and 4 was in the pan. Wanna trade? LOLOLOL
Do you support love jugs on the m8 motor I have a 2017 roadglide m8 going on two blown motors , love jugs the cooling fans ??
there are a few companies out there that make fans. its a great addition if heat is a problem.
Good job. Does it have the cylinder cut off when it gets hot? My 08 got hot in ND sitting in all those HD'S running around up there. Mine shut down the one cylinder, told my Son, exit out of this mess as soon as you can. Sturges once, probably won't ever get stuck in traffic like that again, too hard on the motor.🥴
Not in this year...however, there is a "hidden" table in the tuning file that would richen fuel mixture as the engine got hotter to help cool it down. Most could not access that table or even knew it existed back then so i doubt it was utilized as it could have been.
@@KevinBaxter Learned something new again! You have a wealth of knowledge SIR!!👍
kevin you are doing a great job with these videos and your work i'm sure is 2nd to none. One thing just an observation is i'm sure Harley corporate are not fans of these videos ;)
Thank you Sean for your kind words sir. I'm just one in a sea of many that put "problem" videos out there. Im sure they are watching.... ;)
@michaelthr33d74 The motor company already knows all of this. They are the ones, after all, who sent their accountants into engineering with sharpened scalpels.
That gold tint is called coking
Love learning from you! Where is part 2 for this video?!
What about the piston oilers? Leaking?
So he's got a non-OE camplate, it seems to have been running rich, and I bet you'll find aftermarket cams. So, like maybe most "worked on" Harleys, this bike was likely never tuned optimally.
it may have been tuned well for an average bike...i dont see typical damage from a "bad" tune. It may not have been appropriate for a trike though...heavy load, etc. I will be putting the cyls in torque plates. i believe it just overheated, which wouldve deformed the cylinders and created more blowby. That's my theory.
Good job on the videos .
dude you are the man
thank you sir.
Hi Kevin, oil looked pretty ugly, what kind of oil was he using and how often was he changing it? Maybe overheating because oil not changed often?
Dirty oil won’t cause overheating; accelerated wear - Yes.
Glad to see another SE cam plate sumping
i can not blame this on the oil pump or cam plate. both looked healthy. I will be putting the cyls in torque plates. i believe it just overheated several times, which wouldve deformed the cylinders and created more blowby. That's my theory.
@@KevinBaxter yeah just goes to show there is so many variables of what can cause sumping
Every single orange cam plate I have ever seen, with any amount of miles is worn half way around just like this one. I think it is due to the design ,more specifically the wave washer between the pump gears. Combined with no seal between the pump and plate surface...junk set up. I will never use those again. Spun an engine over with the plugs out and cam cover off. Oil bleed off gushing down from pump /plate mounting surface. Just begging for scored piston skirts. Never again orange screamin beagle cam plates.
Loving your videos!
Greetings Kevin. What is your opinion on running non oxygenated fuels compared to ethanol blends? Thanks for your time.
I think its great if you can find it and afford it. No additives, no ethanol, typically higher octane, no phase separation to worry about, less moisture....all great points. I did a video YEARS ago called E85 as race gas. I gave a lot of details on ethanol and effects. Maybe give that a watch. Thanks.
tks. Kevin
Thanks, Kevin!
youre welcome. thank you sir.
Speaking of running hot Kevin, how's that Georgia heat and humidity?
So the heat didn’t hurt it bad? Cause I’m in TX now and mine runs DAMN hot in traffic (300 is not uncommon).. need to add a cooler
the close up of the plug and the oil drained would have been cool. its like right before coking oil?
As always I love your tear downs and the things you talk about specially on the twin cams. Thank you so much.
You are so welcome. thank you.
Ready for the information🤠
Ahh huh man. I've been wanting!!! For your next episodes
Can lugging the engine cause the excessive heat problem? I’ve noticed a few trike riders seem to lug along during trips and charity rides.
my O5 t.c.big bore ported.. bored and stroked, balanced S&S crank, timken inserts and bearings, S&S tappets, S&S pushrods, 545 reaper cams, S&S geared. new valve springs, valve guides, new 51mm throttle body, screaming eagle cam plate. S&S oil pump. keith black forged pistons, new injectors. is this a good Build?
you have great equipment there. assembled and tuned proper...should have good results.
Great video
make sure the head and block are mated is what you were saying?
Kevin, why couldn’t a gps altimeter and thermometer be integrated into the performance module to account for air intake temperature (keeping air/fuel ratios at optimum) and altitude changes? It seems like this would improve drivability and gas mileage while maintaining peak performance, or do they currently account for this info.
..and another pearler of a video - Cheers.
Hey mate , just wondering what’s happened to the build videos ? Do I need to become a member to view new videos ? Thanks 🇦🇺
Great video...
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you sir! Very much
How long does cam and lifters last on a Harley and the oil pump I hope every 40,000 miles you got to do this on a Harley
Wow finally one who's pinion side is at least not to bad.....Odds aren't good still though on these twinkies....
up to 2006 4" cranks....most of the time, are .003 or less. Wasnt surprised to see that on this one...even with it being a trike.
Yeah my bike I want to do a cam upgrade is an 07......I'll be shooting craps....lol...
Any preference on oil cooler for a 110 jaggs? Or ultra cool?
Keven, Do you think a Power Commander might help the heat problem? Or because it's installed in a trike and running hot is the nature of the beast?
Can the front and rear cylinder timing be different? Could the rear cylinder have been over heating because of a difference in spark timing?
yes sir...it absolutely can. on heavy bike, especially trikes, its best to tune not only by AFR, but by temp. as you know, timing plays a big role in that.
I am wondering why I have not seen any M8 Freewheeler trikes with sumping or oil transfer
Love your videos learned a lot from you working on my 2004 ultra classic by the way how many miles was on that bike?
40,000. Glad they help! Thanks...all the best.
I didn’t think 40,000 was high mileage.
Just curious... what's the cost to rebuild a reliable 2013 103ci Twin Cam? Don't need it bigger, just increase reliability for years to come.
Hey Kevin !! Great job on the tear down and your insight on the engines condition !! I see that muffin pan sure does get around ! LOL :)
Yes it does! LOL. I prefer the Jims organizers, but Ive got more engines torn down right now than i have places to put nuts and bolts. LOL
Will the crank need replaced or just a Timken bearing upgrade?
How does easy start buttons work and connect on twin cams. I see they just unscrew from top
Have you heard of DK customs? What do you think of their keep it cool products for engines?
Thanks for your videos.
Hooah
Burning or riding the clutch heat up the engine?
Very interesting.
How the oil pump return oil back to tank or is the oil return dirty
Kevin, what tool is that you use to split the cases ?
Hi Kevin. Do you know what is the normal operating temperature range of current sportsters with the temperature sensor in the rear cylinder? I couldn't find it in the owner's or service manual. Thank you. Regards.
I pay closest attention to cylinder head temp at the base of the spark plug. 300-320 degrees after a moderate ride with no traffic is great. If that starts creeping up to 350 and higher, valve seats can begin to fall out. This temp reading will be different than what you see with your engine temp sensor. That will always be much lower.
Kevin, I really appreciate all of the videos. I have a question related to an M8 that I am working on. Where can I buy a metal cam/crank locking tool. The Felton units I find on the internet just don’t seem to work well or last? Any suggestions?
Great job 👍👍👍
is that a high mileage low maintenance engine your working on or is it the weight of the trike overworking the engine when you drive it sporty like?
Is there a Go-Fund me page for a shop Air Conditioner?
i used to see hot colors on auto engines. blue was my color.
Was it a mistake not to upgrade the oil pump while upgrading the cam plate? Would that alone have helped it run cooler, or would an oil cooler still be recommended on these engines. I have 2 TC88'S and am planning the plate/tensioner upgrade and am debating upgrading the oil pumps. Thanks for putting out info on these older engines!
that was an upgraded pump that came with the cam plate. On a trike, certainly would have a Jagg oil cooler and a Jims Forceflow Fan for sure!
Awesome
i had a buddy who thought in the winter he could run his bike in the garage to keep it charged. maybe this guy like to idle his bike for a half hour at a time.
new to the site, what is meant by sumping? thank you
could you have said low maintenance/ hot rodding engine?
I'm new to the channel and have no idea where this shop is or any information on it. I'd really like some info in this direction as I have a 110 Harley motor that needs some serious help. Thank you in advance.
He is down in Winder, Georgia I do believe. If you Google Baxter Garage he has a website and contact info
you sale camplates right?
Do the gold parts need to be replaced?
My 103 with woods 777 cams,power vision with no dyno tune,gets very hot very fast. What can I do to cool it down ?
Does not terrible mean good, ok, not good, bad?
Kevin did you ever know Brian Hozical before he moved back to Australia. You sort of remind me of him with your ability to work on anything. Brian was always thinking out of the box when building a bike. I was just curious to see if you knew him. I know you know Beno Rodi because he. Is there in Winder also. I have been watching your videos and wondering has S&S had any problems with the 107 cu in engine. I have an 02 Ironhorse and have only had electrical problems so far. Thanks for all the good videos and the next time I’m in Atlanta I will come by.
Brian doesnt ring a bell....but Rodi does. At some point, you will have to retrofit your IH to a different ign and wiring harness if yours has the old Thunderheart system in it. have done a ton of those.
@@KevinBaxter I ran into that problem about a year ago and re wired it and replaced the ignition. I couldn’t find the factory parts and it about drove me crazy for awhile. I’m waiting for your live video. Sure wish you were closer, I live in Rainbow city Al. Do you have any experience with the Rocket3 Triumph. I heard you say you were working on a Norton. The guy Brian was a British nut and has videos on UA-cam. I think Thunderheart tried to make a simple system hard, sorta like all appliances with the printed circuit board.
When you say “extremely hot”….. what kind of temps are we talking?
What oil is he using? Wrong viscosity maybe?
Fairly new to your channel.I do have a question.I have a 2005 Deuce.Had 8900 in 2019 IV only have 10400 miles now.I use recommend oil.Took. to a shop for a rear tire they without even asking changed the oil and put in 20w 60 IV only used 20 50 synthetic.Should I leave what they put in or drain it and use what I normally use?May be a dumb question but I don't want to ruin the motor.
That's not very many miles. On a TC, ive never seen the need for anything thicker than 20w50 UNLESS...you live in an EXTREMELY hot area and i would only run it when its very hot.
Kevin would you still recommend 20w50 for summertime stop and go traffic in downtown Atlanta? The mechanic that rebuilt mine used HD 50W to break in and recommends using it most all of the time. 10.5/1 compression.
@@KevinBaxter Thank you.Iv owned a few Harleys.Iv always done the maintanance on my bikes with the shop manuals.After falling 18ft in 2006 Replacing my own tires its to painful on my back IV always been a do it yourself kinda guy.I will be flushing out their oil and going back to what is recommended.Thanks for your thoughts on the issue.I ride when I can that's my theropy.
Just watched the motor video with the trike . No tellin, dude might of been carrying an ole lady along with loaded down bags , alot of weight good lord
Not enough oil changes
gas smutt on the plugs
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Vacuum leak with the electronics pumping more fuel to compensate? To be honest, I'm fuel injection ignorant.
pre ignition hot?
i wish I had the $$$$$$ to harley proof my engine
40000 mi in 20 years not a whole lot of miles in my book certainly a ridiculously low amount of miles even for a Harley.
Maybe oil pressure is too high pushing excessive oil through the port oil pressure regulator failure I'm a little bit worried I am running excessive oil pressure on my bike my bike is custom Softail chopper I have a bigger oil pump oil pump spring adjustment to increase the pressure aftermarket I do not keep my oil pressure below 10 psi I should say between 8 to 10 psi also I have a oil cooler with a thermostat electric fan also I have jug fan all the stuff I custom myself I am running a mikuni carburetor I still have to tweak and adjust it also I have a h i - 4 ignition system I am running a Andrew 23 cam I upgrade the push rod I upgrade the lifters the bike only have 8,000 MI
No matter what the brand of motorcycle all of the air-cooled fuel injected bikes your Pistons look like they have been Cajun blackened. All of the fuel injected bike seem to cook their Pistons.
he said charlie brown. Good Grief!
I personally wish I had seen this Service Bulletin before I bought another one:
static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2017/MC-10124214-9999.pdf
The bike has no issues otherwise but I guess I can cancel future oil changes.... I have to put new oil in it weekly.
It seems to me that if they can predict oil consumption at this level in the Milwaukee 8, they can also engineer a fix.