THE CHEAPEST STUDIO MIC IN THE WORLD!?!?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Testing the Zingyou BM-800 microphones!
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I'm using a BM-800 as a "backup mic" and for some specific situations. For those looking for a cheap solution for a home-recording setup it's a good option.
It seems that there isn‘t really awful stuff on the market nowadays, you just have to figure out how to use it and get the best results possible
I actually kinda liked the cheap mics on drum overs. As stated they have a sound of their own and are not for everything but with the old Neumans the drums sounded more vintage which is good. Of course it doesn't say but the drums don't seem too new so I am gonna guess they are an 80's or 90's kit which means they are a vintage kit. The thing is I kinda liked how the cheap mics exaggerated the snappiness of the drums. To me it made them sound a little more modern.
Me too! Liked it way more on the drums :) @@MrRoberacer
@@K3v7L My only thing is I feel like we need to note. Those drums in that instance. As you change up various parameters it all works together to change the overall result. For instance what if we close mic`d the whole kit with lower cost (typically harsher but far more reactive) mics? The end result with these might be a very harsh drum kit. That is the thing about audio too smooth can often equal wimpy or lifeless, too harsh unlistenable, etc. It is all things in the right balance just like making your favorite spaghetti sauce.
Actually there is. Then again in the past all affordable stuff really sucked and pp made great recordings with it :-)
@@ezion67 HMM. Show me a great recording made on a cassette multi-track with 57's and 58's that we can directly compare to say Dire Straights' Brothers In Arms as a recording. Actually let's do the 58/ 57 thing through the best multi-track and pres possible. There is no way you can arrive at anything remotely comparable in terms of sonic performance from a technical level and you are pretty limited in terms or art as well. In this case we are only swapping out a few mics out of the whole kit. Now in fairness in a recording that I am trying to achieve an acoustical sounding drum kit the overheads are a very significant part and a lot of detail is derived from them but cheap condenser mics now compared to cheap condenser mics of the 70's and 80's is night and day different. There are some serious mics available now for a mere few hundred dollars. Expensive mics now are more about flavor and now so much about dramatic performance differences anymore and if you aren't aware of that you really need to look around. It is truly a new world. You could build a pretty serious mic locker without ever spending more than a grand on any one mic. It used to be to get a good sounding vocal mic studios had no choice but to break the bank. That is not to say that cheaper mics sound the same as the ones we hail as the holy grailers because they do not but there are some very usable "other options". Of course as always it is buyer be ware. Be thorough in your tests and note what is different.
I should be in the guiness book of records for recording the most demos with the shittest mic on earth, I'm proud of it.
Honestly an incredibly unfair comparison. And that's perfect. It really lets you see the EXACT difference between this cheap mic and something way more expensive, rather than have you guessing the difference between mics of similar price points. It even showed how the cheap mic could be preferred in its own circumstances. Really great video
I don't see how the cheaper mic could be "preferred" in any way and in any circumstances if you HAD both. If you don't have both, then it's not a matter of preference right? The cheap has proven to be "usable" in certain cases, but that doesn't mean there was any scenario where it could be preferred :D I hope you get my point right, I'm not trying to argue, just face it, the U47 was a clear all-round winner (although not all the recordings were made with that as we saw!!). I am working with a multitude of mics from all price ranges (Neumann, Melodium, Audio Technica, Shure, even Thomann's t-bone or Behringer (sorry :D) and they all have their use-cases, true, but for any serious recording, having all of them, I will never prefer a t-bone over a Neumann... do you see my point?
The cheap mic makes it sound like a fleetwood Mac recording
which, was mostly 57s and 8s
@@robertpierson8206 wow, on rumours like?
@@markshortall3384 Rumors Vocals and backgrounds vocals, yes. Anthony Kiedis /Peppers also uses a 58 as well for tracking vocs look it up.
@@markshortall3384 On Californication, “Anthony always used an SM57 for his lead vocals ... used for guide vocals on Rumours and some final vocals on the song as well. ... How about a tribute to that other Shure diamond in the rough, the SM58.
You killed it in this video !! Luv it brother ,keep these video coming
George is a hero. Thank you George
I listened to this on my studio monitors - as I do with most of your videos. I also have subs connected. The most glaring difference I noticed is the cheap mics roll off bottom end. The U47s have a much wider dynamic range. So I would say if you're recording low end, give these a skip... Otherwise generally I thought they sounded alright. You can't beat the price!
I've gotta wonder if it's the cartridge, or cheap electronics in the mic. Cheap, off-spec resistors and caps could have that effect. I mention this because, if true, fixing it would be cheap and relatively easy for anyone proficient with a soldering iron.
@@chrisw1462 Yeah, and cheap had crazy amount of resonance peaks, especially in hi mids.
Actually it's easily made out on even an ear phone... Bass resonances aren't picked up
@@chrisw1462 We didn't get to see the actual cartridge. I'd bet the cheap microphones have smaller cartridges AND cheaper electronics.
im listening on a phone speaker-and i still hear the low end being taken out.
"I'm not Glenn, so I'm not going to destroy this" lmao
Ha, ha!
I came here to say this, but you beat me to it
Fuck Glenn
BTW ... he gives plenty away ... sometimes we do silly shit just for fun, we're Canadian !
Really great and informative review and also a nicely done video mate! Just to be informative to others who watch the vid: the BM800 (common name of the chinese mic you demonstrate) is a small diaphragm condenser and the U47 is a large diaphragm. The differences you mentioned mostly came because of this. No-one ever mention this in the reviews but it is really important and does affect the sound and the usability range of the microphone. Of course the price range matters as well.
Could you maybe try to match-eq the mics on the grand piano? they did record the same performance after all.. I think it would be interesting to see how much difference is just the way these mics pick up frequency louder or quieter, and how much is something else
Yes! Really interesting to see what we can do with a lot of effects on voice from a cheapest and a very expensive mic!
It really would be interesting to see how much adding some simple eq to the cheap tracks would narrow the gap. It would be fun to get to play around with the original tracks.
great idea for a follow-up video. I would love to see - not only how much closer he could get the quality, but how much work. Time is money, so for a busy studio obviously the value in not spending time in post pays for the quality mic. But this video wasn't for studios with that kind of budget, so money matters more than time. I am a hobbyist so these are perfect for my needs
Fancillicious yeah, I was wondering the same. Might be not that far off, felt like it mostly lacked low mids and was a bit harsh.
The only thing I really got away from it is that there is no reason to not make music anymore.
A 20 euro (or 45 gulden if we are going to be historically accurate) mic a few decades ago sounded like speaking through a phone.
Yes the expensive mics are worth it. But I get it that you don't want to start playing with audio with a few grand in debt.
Great video!
@Nathan Avraham it's not even quite degraded, but if you look up how the LPC coding systems work in the GSM standard, it's (imvho) more accurate to say that the sound is taken apart into [pitch, formants, background noise type, residue] (or something like that) and ... re-synthesized on the other end :-) The LPC algorithm is in fact very similar to certain types of vocoders. Basically the GSM codecs intend to transmit voice to be as intelligible as possible in the least amount of kilobits per second. But it's not very well suited for transmitting music and other sounds.
You can tell it's the encoding and not the phone mics, if you compare a regular call over GSM to a WhatsApp audio call over WiFi (which uses a different, more modern codec). The latter should sound much more transparent.
A few decades ago the environment in large parts of China wasn't completely destroyed as it is now. That's the price we all pay for cheap consumer stuff.
Thanks for this Video. I recently pimped the same Microphone, I even bought it for less than 22$.
The Resonances of the housing and the grill are quite huge, but that's easy to fix. The capsule is mounted on a hard plastic saddle, glue Rubber under it and done. One quite big thing you didn't mention: it is in fact a small diyafram Capsul, like the Audio Technica AT2020. So the lack of body is in part also do to this fact.
Greetings from Switzerland and thanks again.
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Benno Kaiser greeting Benno Kaiser ! Do you have a video in your channel so we or I can hear them ! Im very curious on how the sound is !
Thanks for explaining some of the reasons for the difference.
For what it's worth, it's also an electret condenser mic (as opposed to an externally-biased, or "true" condenser). I "pimped" a few of my own, but i basically only used them as body-donors :P
Part 1 - khronscave.blogspot.com/2017/05/cheap-chinese-bm800-microphone-modding.html
Part 2 - khronscave.blogspot.com/2017/10/16-bm800-modding-part-2-ck12-k47.html
I got the idea over here - audioimprov.com/AudioImprov/Mics/Entries/2015/12/20_Modding_a_BM-800_Mic.html
~30$ for the replacement capsules, 10-20$ for the replacement circuit-boards (self-designed) and the parts... DIY FTW >;D
Sorry, not yet. the difference in Sound will be subtle to this recordings.
I now want a U47!!
I have the 47 fet but prefer the 67 depending on application of course , but bang for the buck has to be my most used and reasonably priced AKG C414 both the XLS and XLII again depending on application but very versatile, I’ve used 47, 67, C414 and sm58 on the same vocals and often times the 58 is the winner, I think my older metal 58s with the on/off switch were $50 in the 80s but the newer ones sound good to, a live bands best freind sm58 for vocals and 57s on amp cabs but I digress... you can rent the Neumanns they are pricey but if your making bread regularly and work pro you can justify the purchase.
@@furryz666 yeah there are many great sounding mics. Some are sleepers, that you can pick up for little money. It's just where and how to use them. ;-)
Also... Preamps. That's equally important. (but easier to get right)
give the UM57 a try
Warm Audio makes a really great clone at a fraction of the price.
The U48 with the figure-8 pattern is IMO more useful.
thanks for the review. the cheap stuff is really quite amazing these days! (unless you're recording a piano!) i really appreciate the way you did this video! keep up the great work!
Sound is 3D. It radiates in 3D, interacts in 3D, enters both ears, which are intricate 3D shapes. It's represented in a waveform in a very 1 dimensional way, but that only captures some essential details (not even Eq in any detail). I'm glad you made the comment that sound isn't 3D, it made me react :) I played with Binaural recording for quite a while. Definitely 3D, and stereo focuses on "2D" aspects.
The feel and soul in the recording you are talking about is the bass and low mid harmonic that are conducted through your bones and soft tissues... I have 1 of these... They are super sensitive for everything except the bass. Worth the price...got them for around 18 to 20 dollar equivalent
Having listened in studio to a shoot out between $25 (Neewer), $250 (Lewitt) and $2500 (Manley), I agree with the gist of this review. There is a big difference between $25 dollar mics and the high end. What I was surprised to discover was how small the difference is between mid-range and high end. The three of us in the control room were surprised how little difference we heard between a $250 Lewitt and a $2500 Manley. We mic'ed acoustic guitar and male voice the same way- with the ends of the mic facing each other and forming an upside down "T" The musician couldn't hear the difference (too much time spent close to high SPL instruments). The owner and I could, but both of us thought it was really close. The Manley stood out on the acoustic guitar- warmer tone but still all the detail.
I was greatly impressed with the Lewitt. I have a small studio- built for composing, not recording. For someone in my situation, I'd happily recommend the $250 option. It was very versatile, and tolerant when it comes to placement. For the rare occasion when i record an instrumental or vocal solo track, the Lewitt would easily handle the job. While I loved the Manley, I can't justify the price. If recording contributed more to my income, it would be a different matter.
Glad you took the time out to do this, very cool, and surprising how without a direct comparison, I doubt I'd care too much
I just got one of these a few weeks ago. It sounds amazing through a decent preamp with some EQ
was fun to watch ! BUT !! that cut at 14:08 ist great. i did immediately jumped back to 14:08 and watched it again... love it !
For $20 you can't even get aa suspension mount for most mics, and many of these including Zingyou started making these for smart phones! They had an xlr to stereo mini jack that came with them. You can eq a mic from the circuit board but you can't fix the diaphragm without expensive metal lathing gear made for mics manufacturing. If I was a young teen again (no way thanks! it almost killed me!) something like this would have been a real blessing, considering I started withi a Tasc am 244 cassette porta studio! So it does have more value than the price tag.
The Apex 460 mics are about $300 here, and Brian Fox in Toronto has made mod kits for them that allow them to compete with 7K plus mics for about $800 to 1000 including the power supply mod. Neuman mics were the end goal and he did a great job in head to head comparisons so if you don't have that 7 grand, it's something to consider since they are actually out performing the high end mics in some cases. Just thought you would like to know, and you could do a video on that sometime. One mod is simply cutting two bad caps out of the circuit, then there is a couple replacement eq caps and then the total refab with new diaphragm replacement, transformer, tube replacement and circuit board mods/replacement. Here is the website.
www.foxaudioresearch.ca/
1000% agree with you! it's a fine low budget mic, for demo sometimes i just need a bit eq before deliver it to my producer, and yeap it enough... i still use it, although i have another microphone, but i won't sell, destroy nor throw this mic to trashcan, i will still use it for backup!
I bought one of these after Christmas as a podcasting/voip microphone. With a good interface and some eq it definitely can sound good and it is definitely an improvement over anything in this price range(I'm pretty sure there are more expensive microphones that sound almost the same as this mic)
Would be interesting to hear a mix in-which you tried your best to make the cheap mic work. You would have to boost levels, compression, eq, etc but I bet in the hands of a skilled mixer like you those mics would work.
AWSOME TEST TY FOR THE DEMO
The frequency response and the reaction to transients are different, the U47 is more like LPF with a very wide low-end boost and the BM800 very flat on the top-end and light in very light in the low-end (but not in a bad way) ... This comparison perfectly present how mics are the colour of the picture and every element in that picture will need and benefit from different colour to make the finished overall full picture.
For £48 (Amazon UK) this is a very nice to have. The quality is surprisingly clean and it's very different sounding from the regular guys such as 87 and 414..etc.etc.
14:09 👏👏👏 Superb.
Haha - I got a condenser mic with gold top, shock mount and cable for £9.99 delivered. The cable works with my Rode NTG-2 on my Sony A7 and thast usually £8.50 cheapest so the mic was effectively £1.49. Oh it came with a foam wind shield / pop filter too so now the mic cost 50p and the shock mounts sell for £3 so now the mic is worth -£2.50!
Constant white noise in the the thing, virtually unusable BUT! I decided to make my own valve mics (I build amps, preamps, DACs) so this should make a great guinnea pig to test on. Who knows, it might end up sounding great!!! XD
That was amazing! Thanks for the recording and sharing.
Brilliant summation! Loved this video!
I have one.
It's actually pretty cool and good for rock vocals.
Thanks for the video. I've been watching budget USB mic reviews lately and here are my observations.
These BM800 (also BM700, BM900 BM8000 and their NW clones for Neewer Chinese brand) are not bad at all. They are lacking in lower frequencies and sometimes some nasty digital noise creeps in when using them with a computer.
But a cheap (10$) upgrade would be FiFine K669B - it's less noisy and better quality with a more or less trustworthy company behind their products.
Go 20$ more, and you can get FiFine K670.
20$ more - Samson mics are a good choice there.
All available on AliExpress and sometimes in some local shops also.
Don't even look at Blue Snowball (both Ice and vanilla) - they are not worth their price in comparison with these FiFine models. Blue Yeti is a different thing though - really great, but also overpriced, IMHO.
New iPad and mac book mics are Phenominal and I guarantee they would perform better than the cheap mic in certain conditions even voice recording
The dynamics and clarity in the highs and lows are a pretty astounding difference. Was there any way to get those closer in EQ to be usable?
Cool vid. Would be interesting to see how close to the expensive mic you could get with processing.
Wow I would blend both mics on the piano. Seems like one would be good for the top end and the other to get that beefy fatness. but it goes to show that each mic has its place. depends on what flavor you are looking to have in the end. But great video as always.
Toby Lerone yes I do mean the low end you are correct. Lol. I love mixing food. Lol
Toby Lerone I would say shrimp would be the cheap mics and the steak would be the U47 like a surf and turf. Lol. With cheap shrimp and good steak.
All it needs is a tilt eq to cut dampen the treble and up the bass and it will sound probably pretty decent
There are many brand names of the "BM-800", I have several of these mics with different names, all of them are decent, some better than others, but absolutely worth $20 haha.
Really interesting content, honest, funny and clever which is not easy, the A/B's translate very well on my poorly treated room using DYNAUDIO speakers, TOP audio engineering channel till now 100% congrats!!!! (Loving those sweet Equ's on your desk..)
The U47's output is a lot higher than the Chinese mic. Also, the capsule is larger on the U47. I have 4 of these Chinese mics. They are a little noisy. but as you said, they have a place and it's not the garbage can. Regardless, this was fun to watch. I have always loved the sound of the U47.
I bought a mic that looks exactly like that for about $22 via eBay a couple years ago. It's not bad. Probably the exact same mic.
Thanks for the comparison and review! I have wondered since then how it would compare to a good (or great) mic. Much appreciated!
piano sounds so good with the Tele
I liked your video. Fun and good natured. Also a lot of work setting it up and presenting it. Good on ya! You might do one on how close you could get the sound of the two mics with some proper input EQ on the cheapy and correct impedance loading for the two products while recording a difficult source like a grand piano. Of course you can't make lead into gold but it would be cool to see if you could make lead into shiny gold tinted lead.
14:08 Nice edit work :)
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Steven Wilson. Great Video.
Those were some pretty sweet transitions
OMG! huge difference on Piano an vocals!
1: YES! Sign it!
2: I'm most curious to find out how it performs for voice over recordings, narration.
3: Is the U47 really that big or do you have very small hands (sorry, couldn't resist, LOL)?
4: Thank you for all your videos and showing us what you do and what goes into your work. Cheers.
I've just noticed... Wytse = Wyt se = White Sea
mindblown
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wait what's Wytse
@@CarsonHoy, I guess it's his first name
what about goat sea
just saying thanks for your vids and work. love them :)
only Sandstorm .. by Darude.. was missing somehow to make it complete.
First REAPER. Now this. Man you are really know how to save money. Love this video!
This a fair comparison. I was thinking to buy a cheaper mic to record some ideas while traveling thinking to get that. You clarified which one imma buy.
I have a BM-800 coming and perfect for what I need it for but in the vocal test the difference was like mono to stereo then the second part was like a Victrola (circa 1920) vs a Compact Disc to my ears.
Hahahahaha I really liked the Video Editing FX you made at 14:10.
very interesting...in other test it noticed BM800 hasn't a great mechanical resistance and it is sensible to vibration close to the mic, so it's more important to prevent contact during recording and to use damping support. It would be interesting to get an EQ curve e Comp program to try to minimize as more as possible the difference in sound quality comparing with the professional mic, also using a reverb or double delay to increment the depth. Of course considering cheap or free but good Vst (there is a world of sw arounf the web.. :-) ) Thans for your time and have a Great Music !
Great mic for starting home recording !
Love your videos, always inspirational as a producer and of course fun to watch :)
As mid heavy as that mic is, funnily enough, actually has a place. Not as a vocal mic or anything like that, but for a mid heavy instrument so it fits well in the mix automatically. Or use something flatter and EQ :P
Interesting. I would have liked a notice which mic was on as I could not read the info on the recording program screen.
Someone forgot mic in my studio, branded jts, for vocalists we have sm58 and sm58 beta. One day I needed record some peace for random idea, picked that "jts" mic. Wow, I was surprised, it sounded better than sm58, greater cancellation, narrower pickup pattern, more sensitive. Don't know if it can stand same loudness as shure ones, but it works. Never found owner, so kept using it along sm 58 for vocals. Don't know its price but, it's on the par with sm's. Have couple bm800, on low volume situations it works, mine are just too sensitive for anything, so they are lost in drawer. It's nice that they came with cradle and pop filters, use only that
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I'm at 9min in the video. I think they've only worked for the overheads so far. But on the OH I actually preferred them :) I don't like too much low end on OH mics and since they don't seem to pick up low's very well this can work. You can generally find some use for any piece of gear, even very cheap stuff. Back in high school we would run distorted guitars through the pre's on super cheap and shit Behringer mixers for a certain kind of rough metal tone we liked. Everything has a use. Rather have the U47 though obviously :)
Edit: I watched the video in studio at 720p
the best results are when you have a good song and good arrangment and good performance it almost doesnt matter what you use as long as gain structure is respected
I didn't watch all of this so I'm taking a bit of a stab in the dark here. The difference in depth in the overhead mic recordings (which I did hear) he heard were real, but they appeared to be a function of elevated high frequency levels in the U47 (about 8K plus) as opposed to the more dull sounding (and probably flatter) BM 800's. The point I'm making here is that these (vital?) differences could have been minimized by suitable eq adjustments, as could the differences in bass tonality he heard. The probably superior noise floor and distortion characteristics of the U47 would however remain unchanged, but suitable recording practices could minimize those.
An easy way to distinguish what areas needed eq adjustment to make the mics sound similar would have been to record pink noise on both and compare the frequency variations and adjust the eq and volume levels to suit (differences in volume between mics being critical because of Fletcher Munson curve considerations and how they affect our hearing) . My point? That you can make expensive sounding recordings with cheap equipment if you just trust your ears and adjust things. The greater bass he heard on the U47 recording for instance could have been because the U47 outputted at a higher level than the BM800 and Fletcher Munson variations caused the perceived increase in bass. It might not have been that, but it's a distinct possibility.
It's been 10 mouth I'm using this cheap microphone for streaming games and talking to friends and I have to say that its a good one. A lot of people are saying my voice sounds good and asking what mic I'm using. So for musician beginner or internet usage its excellent if you're on a budget.
its not just sound but reliability,cheap mics just dont last as long as expensive ones.
for $20 I'm very impressed. I kinda want to get one.
I know it was a lot of work, but I'd also like to see a comparison of something good quality but still cheap (but not $22 cheap) like the $70 MXL-990, or the $230 RODE NT1-A, or the $200 Blue Spark, or the $100 Behringer B-1. Two of these are under $200, and one even under $100, but all are considered pretty high quality mics. The MXL-990 is a highly revered mic and one that I use pretty regularly.
It'd be nice to see how they stack up to an expensive, Professional mic like the Neumann U47.
Another great video. You are the best.
A Neumman will usually smash any sub-$500 mic, or at least beat it. No surprise here.
What would have been interesting would be to compare this $22 mic to the "lower end" mics, like the $100-$200 mics, looks like this mic will hold it's own against them.
Good review nonetheless, and it's true that technique is very important.
I liked the song composition and performance,put up the full song to stream somewhere please
Pretty amazing comparison. Of course the 47 blossoms where it should - It's a tube mic and adds nice harmonics aswell as the M7 or K47 capsules in the U47 circuit being known for having this rich and lush body and bottom. So my guess is, that there are even expensive mics that are not that much different to that cheapo... But there will still be the difference in good and great - it's at the end about nuances that might not even be noticable on a youtube video...
Also in recording, mixing and mastering situations... You can take away, but not really add.
Just what I expected. It seems to be the case that cheaper microphones, and their inherent limitation in clarity based in uneven frequency responses, make things sound like you're listening to the recorded material through a second recording. Like a video of someone listening to the original sound clip. You definitely don't need a U47 to get past that, but it certainly does help.
Thank the gods for pitch correction on those vocals!
Why does my track feel so compressed in yt? It's like my panning vocals can't be heard and the deepness of my track is not there. I produce in a celeron laptop btw...
You get what you pay, no doubt about that. I think if you have a budget microphone you have to have a really good understanding on techniques to make it sound the best way possible, but with the higher end mics you can just put them in any way you want and they will perform great.
Those MB-800 mics are sold under different brand names, or even without any brandname on them. I bought a couple, a little while ago, for just $16 a piece, even. Honestly, I was pleasantly suprised, considering the price, they arent bad at all. They arent perfect, but connected to a decent pre-amp, very usable non the less.
Could u try processing the cheap mic to try and get them sounding like the pro mics - would b interesting in seeing that!
I bought that Mic simply because it came with a cheap boom stand that I needed. This Mic has way too much sibilance but makes a great bottom snare mic
So good to see someone using Reaper
Hey! That d112 can be super handy for kicks or bass cabs with certain blues, jazz and rock bands. I would certainly shy away from it for more "modern" sounding recordings, but it's a very viable mic.
You can still get the Neewer brand on Amazon for 20 bucks.
Really enjoying your content. Knowing when you have to pay through the nose for that 3D sound experience is the challenge. It's about the music and performer in the end and everything else is secondary. Great music will sound good despite the gear, it'll just sound even more awesome with the best gear!
greetings from WASHINGTON State.! thank you for the video and all the awesome indepth details!! i loled when you said "im not Glenn..."... im glad your sending them to people who need them! if i could start a review page where i just gave reviewed items awayi would... welll id need to pay rent and stuff but ya... i would... keep up the good work.. imlooking forward to getting to look through your library and learning a few things and hopefully some metal recording techniques and production tactics.lol ps. have you done anything with Mr. Warren Huart?
Now I'm interested in one thing: if you were to match the eq of an expensive mic with that cheap mic, would it sound as good? Please give it a try if you have time!
George is a talented guy
he must know & play with Shane Macgowan & Brian Ferry
good idea for a comparison format, enjoyable and informative view
Now I wanna buy a Zingyou and use it for online gaming.
Listening on my headphones (Grado SR225) the difference in the low end is obvious.
I've noticed it takes a lot more preamp gain to drive these mics.
Well done video, thank you. I recorded my own solo acoustic grand piano album, I was happy about your note on the difficulty of recording this instrument, because it is.
i really liked some of your transitions. nice vid, dude
Tank you sir
Would have been interesting if you had eq matched them to the Neumanns.
Did you know the Behringer B2 pro has the same internals as the U87? But only because Neumann makes use of a hardware internal EQ they don't really sound the same out of the box. But with software EQ you can match those two. Maybe interesting to look into. // Ik weet dat je Nederlands bent, maar ik dacht ik typ het even in het Engels zodat andere mensen het ook snappen, lol.
Edit: I meant Neumann ofcourse.
Behringer may have the same internal components as a lot of other brands, but not necessarily the same quality control, e.g. the FOH targeted mixers, M32 from Behringer and Midas, same chassis, different refinements and price points: ua-cam.com/video/oDDSeZeG16U/v-deo.html
Less sure about Neumann, but presumably it is something similar, more refinement, higher price tag.
The difference between the Behringer and the Neumann is more than the design of the pre amp. The construction and materials of the whole mounting and the rigorous checking on the quality of all the parts play also a larger role than most people expect.
I tested a B2 and it was really noisy.
No, that's marketing bullshit you're regurgitating. Excuse me, please, I'm dutch, we say things in a blunt way.
And "fix it in the mix" is also not true. What's not there can't be born magically with a piece of software. I can polish a turd, very well.
And you can make an album with Behringer gear. It will sound different. That's just a fact of life.
The U87 (that is the name for the mic that was made in the seventies and eightties) has completely different electronics. (and a transformer)
And there's a huge difference in sound. Not subtle. HUGE
Now.. the U87ai is a bit more "glassy", with less depth, less vibe. (And different innards) than the U87. And both are different from the Behringer B2 Pro.
Here's a nice article: recordinghacks.com/2011/03/19/neumann-u87ai-vs-u87i/
There are many good mics out there. Some very affordable. IMO use your ears, and good equipment. (monitors, preamps, converters etc.)
Don't believe the hype! (for cheap or expensive gear)
Now ... take the Klark Technik EQP-KT... and there's a very nice equalizer. It's not a real Pultec, but close enough for me.
And yes, I've used the gear I'm talking about, in my own studio. Except for that Klark Technik but it's coming next month or march.
@@reptilespantoso Lmaof . Some of the internals are made by the same company in the B2. It's not marketing bullshit. There alot of video's on youtube by pro's in the "bizz" that discovered this and did a A/B test with adding a software EQ curve to the B2.. It's about the hardware EQ curve vs the non excistence in the B2 pro. Why are people like you always like "oh here take this brand, you'll need it. it's better than your brand". I didn't came here to ask for advice. I agree with Michiel that it's more than the design of the pre amp. I tested also a B2 and it wasn't noisy.
14:9 that was awesome !
I can actually see a use case for these mics in a proper production. I'm currently working on a track that has about 50 tracks, strings section, drums, bass, nylon guitar, steal string guitar, electric guitars, piano, electric piano and 4 vocal parts, where I could see using these mike would be on the piano and some backing vocals. The reasoning is; for the B.V.s the cheap mic would give a slightly different colour and for a female vocal singing in a higher register in the mix, these mics would cut through nicely. For the piano, these mics lack a little in the low end and have a bit of a mid bump, the track I'm working on already has cello, double bass and bass, so there's a lot of low end already, and the mid bump would help the piano cut through a little easier. Having said all that, subtractive EQ can achieve the same results
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Is it possible the piano sounded bad because polarity needed to be flipped? Maybe there was face cancellation I'm the low end. Does just a single mic lose low end like that?