Abbey Road TG Mastering Chain
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2018
- Waves states that they have replicated the old skool sound from the original TG mastering desk from Abbey Road... But... did they???
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I'm worried about Waves. If they continue to sell their plugins with the paint so deteriorated, it's very likely that they are also saving on screws, metal chassis, leds, faders... Did you notice if the knobs are wobbling?
Hardy har har
You’re right, I’m going to ask for a re-paint while my WUP is active!
@@marktcarnold I thought one knob was wobbly but it was my mouse needing a new Battery
aRiMo7ion yeah it isn’t right Waves trying to sell used banged up gear as new!!
LOL
he rips everything by waves. he probably tried to return something and they said no
Yes he does... lmao.... He has all the waves Plugins.
Lol
Makes sense, Waves really struggles to consistently deliver quality products, in fact they conistently do the opposite lmao
psp vintage warmer...long lived and praised plugin for mastering to ad to your list
The reason for having Linear Phase filters for the Sidechain is because Phase = Time, if the filters are not linear phase some frequencies would be delayed and that will affect how the compressor reacts to the audio. That being said Analog sidechains filters have never been linear phase and it doesn't seem to be much of a problem. But 6db/oct filters have much less phase distortion than 48db/oct filters and this could be the reason for going Linear Phase here. I also find 48db/oct on the sidechain quite a strange choose.
i think you are not entirely correct on the time=phase statement. for example: zero latency eq does not create latency yet causes phase distortion on the affected frequency. in fact in a way it is opposite. linear filters need time for processing so actually they cause timing issues which is fixed with delay compensation.
cant believe you wasted your time trying to teach this idiot anything xD
lol 😂
@@andresnol Zero Latency IIR filters creates, in fact, "frequency dependent latency", that means, phase distortion. Linear Phase EQ does need latency for processing but this is irrelevant here because, as you said, is compensated.
Hopefully these audio masters have ears to listen to the maths they are preaching.....which i doubt strongly, LMAO
I think the reason so many plugin companies want to have analog looking UIs is mainly because thats what impresses clients when they come into your studio and see your progress. Even if you don't have expensive hardware, at least they want to feel like you do. I think if you were to do a test showing two masters, one done with purely digital plugins and then one with analog emulation plugins, even if you did a intentionally poorer job with the analog emulation master, the client would prefer it since they can see all the analog gear that that think sounds great rather than a flat utilitarian based UI.
Based.
yeah honestly im a person who likes it, I mean why not?? I think it's cool. I hate new perfect looking shit lol
I use the Waves TG plugins for mastering when I want that particular sound/vibe. They’re great, very flexible and very powerful at the same time. They sound wonderful and are very much a staple in my tool kit. Of course, YMMV...
The unit is modeled after actual hardware so it's really not expecting levels like you're feeding it. You need to back off the input gain going into the strip; I turn down as much as 10-15db if it's a "hard hitting" electronic or metal kind of thing. Then the initial behavior of the compressor/limiter isn't so extreme. It was designed to handle levels that would be going from tape masters to vinyl cutters. You can adjust the ratio and "mix" knobs until you get the gain reduction you want. The mix knob isn't the full audio into the plugin, it's just a blend of the input into the compressor and the output, so it can be used to compress very lightly. You can do all your loudness crap after the TG desk. It'll sound better and perform better if you gain stage. Also, each module has an expanded version if you click the upper right hand button. That way you can get more detailed with the EQ and limiter adjustments. My only complaint is that I wish the GUI was a little larger.
YEEEEESSSSSSS
Sound like you know your stuff. You should do vids Ian. Id watch. 💯
Exactly. People who haven't known the analog realm are slowly learning that nominal level is +4dBu = 0VU = around -18dBFS (depending on calibration of the A-D converter).
i was listening to him toy with this plugin on my lap top speakers and i could hear a difference with pretty much every knob he turned
lol great video my guy. I'd you might want to use audio that's not been processed already. That track used already had it's peaks processed (hence why you couldn't get a "dirty" mix). When you activated the compressor. The levels were so loud it was reducing the gain and squashing the mix. They used that compressor to boost (or upwards compress) the volume of smaller peaks. Waves actually has a plugin that prepares the track for mastering for you called "WLM" or you could use IM Pusher's peak "in" peak meter. Also, you could prepare the levels thru the phase module or slide the filter module to the beginning of your mix.
yeah at least have used a different/better track. that stupid speed up sound started really getting on my nerves.
That's cause he isn't trying to produce quality content. His text on the thumbnail and everything about him is to get "reactions" and views. "Snake Oil" is his go to caption for videos...Sadly it looks like it works cause he has a relatively high view count vs much better content for other stuff as well.
@Alchemist
What a senseless comment. I think both channels are dope man!
The VU meter is usually not just there for shits and giggles but it's kind of a great tool. Since they are modeling analog hardware and its distortion characteristics, there is a certain level where the parts start to distort, which is usually when the VU meter hits 0 and above on the -18 setting. Now you saw that your level was pretty high since with the input level set to 0 your compressor was working pretty hard and you heard distortion right when you engaged the input module's filter. So you had a gainstaging problem which you could have identified with the VU meter calibrated to -18 (or whatever else Waves recommends).
Cheers
It's time for VR daws so we can turn some virtual knobs with our hands tehehe
Crazy idea but I like it
Steve Duda spoke about this in a recent interview - pointing out that it’s a terrible platform for traditional music production - “not very efficient turning gigantic synth knobs with what feels like oven mitts”
@@AdamsBrew78 I mean, if your VR DAW feels like turning knobs with oven mitts, maybe implement better abstractions. VR has great potential, you can sidestep need for tons of equipment and space... just because one of virtually endless attempts doesn't work won't mean it's an impossible task.
Also, tons of people are just fine with using their mouse or even trackpad/screen as an input method, so why wouldn't VR be capable of extending your equipment?
This isn’t snake oil at all. This plugin is amazing. If you know how to use it. Top of the line. Top top. 🔥
abosultly mate ;)
I agree. I've had some great sounding recordings come from using this plugin. Interestingly enough, I have had no issues with controlling the knobs with a mouse. Also I like the look of the GUI
@@phillipallen3323 agreed about the UI, people say that skeuomorphism is all bad but i actually like it; for example in my opinion, Reason is million times nicer visually than Ableton
This is one of the best PUs ever, sounds huge
2023 mastering using this also
I like using this one my drum buss when I am mixing a real acoustic drum kit add great punch and smooth high end on overheads.
Normal filters/eq have a 180 degree phase shift at their resonate point, which cause a left - right swap at that frequency when using on side processing. That's where linear phase stuff comes in handy to avoid this problem.
Linear phase in sidechain because when you use a effect in send (like sidechain) instead insert, it's very likely to have latency. Linear phase effects reduce considerably this latency and are really good to be used in send channels.
Hmm, that rusty front plate has me thinking: I wonder when I will need to replace the emulated power amp tubes in my Axe-FX III ;-)
For most mortals, the best strip would be Waves Scheps Omni Channel. Seeing that all DAWs can live perfectly well without these 3rd party strips, at least it offers some of that "ooh hello sailor! What boat are you sailing on?" kinda vibe.
Time to show off 😁
I used one of the first Chandler Curve Benders in the UK, before they went on sale. A friend of mine iWork's at Abbey Road and was involved with the making of the Chandler units. Awesome units !!
You are the best! I really enjoy your videos. Great one on the sonarworks. I've used it for years and just upgraded. It is superb. i tried the mic stand technique you suggested but quickly abandond it. Just hold the mice the same height. Thank you for your fun reviews.
Linear phase means constant delay, regardless of frequency. Linear phase does not cause time domain artefacts so although the side-chain might be delayed slightly, that delay is the same for all elements of the signal.
Demoing a Mastering Plugin on a Mastered track.
hahah Indeed. Man this dude is a fucking noob... He must leave internet soon as possible. He is the shame of a beautiful indindustrysutry
I think he wanted to hear how much the compression and eq is working on a perfectly balanced and mastered track. I do that sometimes when I use a new plugin, especially with compressors
I really like this comment because it doesnt read like a meme or use the word "underrated".
@@cyrillec135 "indindustrysutry"
If he is such a noob, go watch someone else's videos instead of hanging out here feigning superiority.
Hi Wytse! I am a big fan of yours! It was a big surprise with this Dynacord echocord tape delay. I just got one from a friend of mine. He was going to throw it in a trash bin, but before that, he called me and asked me if I want it. Can you make a video about your tape delay? Or anything that is connected with tape? Thanx, and keep up with good work. Cheers
I quite like this plugin! And for the price it is indeed very good
They have it in sale now for 29 bucks should get this or the j37 tape
I really like this plugin.. I regularly use it as a broad tone-sculptor before going out to analogue. The compressor is not my bag though.. I would find it quite hard to believe that the engineers at AR would use the compressor modules in their daily mastering workflow, though.
Wait...you’ve never reviewed a *single* waves plug-in that was good?
I don’t have a TON of their stuff (I’m more of a Fabfilter guy) but CLA vox, rbass and their modeled PRS amps are pretty frickin good in my experience. I’ve been using cla vox (also drums and unplugged for certain things) for almost a decade with good results.
That is a excellent point about the UI, Plug in Companies need to take note!
The amount of surprise whenever something is sounding good (or as he states it: "really not that bad!") is a clear indicator that he goes into reviewing that plugin with a bias, and that the whole video is about prooving a point that was already decided...
every serious producer is quite biased because over the years we only got a couple of plugins that are really good and game changing. we need some serious reviews like this
So agreed he want it to be the actuall hardware ppl who mix with some them sure can mix better than him waves been the best
To fix your spectral question, just place one in post. I use Softube's console one and even if I do not want to engage the EQ I can see the visual effect of what is before it.
love ur videos man
If you like British mastering gear that’s actually still built by the original Decca engineer… you need to take a listen to DAV electronics. Long time BG3 user here…it’s never leaving my rack. Side note, Waves TG Mastering Chain is a great plugin! 4 years on, and it’s still getting daily use.
Sounds pretty good. Lots of powerful features but because of the baked in analog orientation I figured this wouldn't work for me often enough to be a mastering chain. So I bought the abbey road saturator instead to be used in mixing where taste and flavor is more applicable.
Your reviews are the only ones i trust a 100% :) thank you
UA-cam's most skeptical plugin reviewer. Fun to watch.
Linear phase so that the pre-ringing acts like a look ahead...? If so, why not just add look ahead? Weird.
I'd love to see you do some SOUNDSPOT reviews sir.i love them and use them on a daily basis!I think it be great to do some reviews on those like the paradox EQ or even the Axis multi band limiter😉😎
Soundspot plugs definitely underrated. I hated Oracle at first until I finally dug in and tinkered with the presets. And Kara? Man listen, dial it all the way back and then inch it up to a sweet spot on Anything. Spondspot not the best overall but definitely working with something
Is there an overall mix/ dry knob? I don’t see, how to emulate that?
Bought this about a month ago....I love it for mastering lo fi but other than that I have other tools to get the job done and its pretty CPU intensive which is to be expected for a mastering plugin.
With all of that said bruh you gotta pull back your hair when your in the studio. No shade I got long hair too. Keep up the great work.
you must be an older guy - long hair pulled back( the geezer Pony Tail, let's call it what it is) is like 1990ies has beens..... And in 2020 only excuse to have long hair is to be a musician displaying it or be on actor on Last Kingdom or Vikings. So he needs to keep it as is, and that's borderline - but pulled back...would be too odd in 2020.
You finished your base trap... that means you will have to re-calibrate your speakers again :P
Hello! Nice review of a (imho) nice plugin. Just for the record, the calibration only affects the metering. If you want "more" dirty sound, I guess you just have to increase input gain and reduce output gain. By the way, the metering calibration is pretty straight forward. -18 stands for -18 dBFS (which is the normal audio standard) and can be used to change a bit. For example, I am used to work with -20 dBFS calibration with a -20 dBFS gain staging. Ciao and wish you the best!
Don't know if it's the same, but I really like the sound, so nice.
The paint chips do end up in rust, and that's why you should pay for the waves update plan.
Would you like to review some Acustica Audio plugins? I always ignored their stuff because of price, bugs and unresponsiveness but now, with Core 13 they are very good! El Rey endorsed by Greg Wells, Ruby (DW Fearn), Cream, Viridian, Taupe etc.
Would love to see a TDR Limiter 6 video.
Lmao you’re so lit 😂 Keep it up. I never comment but your videos give me life. - Bedroom engineer living Toronto 🇨🇦
hey this is amazing i asked you for a snake oil vid about this plug a few days ago :D
Why would you want a mastering compressor to be dirtier?
He's just a youtuber. People need to stop trying to learn to mix from youtubers.
Maybe because of the pre echo, makes it react different, i am not sure about that linear phase sidechain :D or Maybe to Keep the waveform the "same"
Gorgeous interface
this is one of the best channel strips i found for vocal using the live version .... try it ,it has a very smooth vintage sound
Man that plugin makes everything stand out mane you should use it then listen to your music in the car it sounds great, bass beating down the block like wo
Would this plugin be good to learn and use for final limiting?
@@thestreetdisciple3955 not for final limiting. You’re going to want to follow it with a brick wall limiter. The limiter here is a hard knee compressor with a high ratio but it’s not a brick wall so peaks can still sneak through. This is good for controlling dynamics and tone. The final volume should come from the brick wall limiter. Look up the video by Ian shepherd about mastering with this plugin and you’ll see.
Could you get it to be more "extreme" by putting a few in serial maybe?
I just bought a prism converter... I nearly got the crane song Solaris DAC but I realized it would make more value for money sense to get a Lyra 1..its at least a big Upgrade from my antelope Orion studio . What do you use btw?.. For conversion.
Any advice as well on mastering equipment analog stuff, your thoughts and personal feelings on a chain... I'm interested in..
As always! Love the Content! Hope you're well.
The dangerous 2bus LT is a nice piece of hardware I heard
It would be great to try the free pultec simulation from ignite amps , called : pteq-x and it’s actually free
You don't seem to know what you're doing. The tape input EQ was a compensation setting for different tape speeds, and maybe formulations. The calibration on the meters is a standard feature for VU metering, since VU is a reference scale.
It is actually true that I don’t have any idea what I’m doing
@@Whiteseastudio you can turn the screws on the plugin to calibrate the VU meter.
@@Whiteseastudio :-)
😂😂
Meter bridges like that were uncommon but a thing in the 70's.
Certain SSL consoles had them as well (but not on the master.)
More entertaining than informative, I still subbed :)
instead of remembering the position of the knobs, can't you just save them as presets?
Have you donee a video on the Waves 2a or la76 comps
is it weird that your snake oil videos have really sold me on buying these Wave plugs? you're doing god's work mate. going to throw some money at the City-of-Westminster-in-a-box, right now...
Maybe an option to review the Lurssen Mastering Console from IK Multimedia? It's a product that emulates the mastering console from Gavin Lurssen.
Love your videos, man. Ga zo door alsjeblieft!
ddrgt I was looking for a review from him on that plug too
man ! your nose is brighter than my future hahaha honestly i like waves plugins and you didnt change my mind
love your channel. best thing to watch for me at the morning with a cup of coffee.
I use it for a subtle mix buss warmth or shine it makes a real difference then I send my tracks our to be mastered.
This is a excellent product..
This was very informative. Thanks.
Imagine this plugin having a rusty GUI on the 1st of april because of this video xD
Aluminium alloy panels ?
Can i buy more paint for my plug-ins so that I can prevent them from rusting?
I have to say that I like your videos very much. Thanks for reviewing this!
The paint chip emulation is on the gui is not the only thing that is chipped, still I do like your sarcasm!😂
Thank God. I thought I was the only one having issues with switching from digital to analog GUI. Shew!
Perhaps one day, a GUI will be available that will let you actually reach into and through the screen, that will allow you to feel and turn knobs or push actual faders, or, even replace the virtual rack screws that you always seem to obsess over. Hell, maybe one day you’ll even be able to touch up those scratches in the paint of the virtual faceplates on the GUI’s, to prevent them from rusting.
I know that when I’m considering a plug in - no matter how good it sounds - if the virtual rack screws aren’t correct, well, that’s always been a deal-breaker for me.
🙄🤣😂
or buy an iPAd?
Hi
If I need more transients, should I use recovery closer to 5 or 6?
Please make a snake oil video for this product: ISM Aroma! I think you will love it!!
Good point on the visual...I’ve never understood why plugins need to look like analog gear....but on the other side of this it’s makes it’s more fun and you have to use your eyes more....idk
Hi WSS, thanks for the vid...Isnt all face plating in aluminium...so it would be actually corrosion right hehe ;-) Have you ever tried to chassis punch 3mm steel? But seriously; I would love to hear a raw transient laden track and something like a K-20 with some space in it; so you can really see whats going...would be quite helpful. Not sure about the curve comments...dont you just load a preset when you go back?? Tschuss
yes.. but it depends how you use it and with what Song... thanks for your Work 🌠
Is this a must have plugin
While reading the description you read processing twice, while one was monitoring.
You should maybe consider giving Waves a little bit more love. Many of their plugins are just great.
I even like the guis, but that's just my taste.
This guy is the only person I have ever heard say anything bad about waves plugins and I think he is full of crap. I love waves plugins, they are affordable and sound good.
@@jdl2180 sadly there are quite some people who say bad things about Waves, although most of them were just commenting, so I can't judge, whether they have any clue at all or not.
Regarding Wytse, he complains the GUI mostly. And even this review isn't really bad soundwise. It's the way he thinks. That's why he rates Waves, Slate and others not as good as they deserve (in my opinion).
But he's alright :).
I think you need to raise the input so the meter bridge vcu's are at least touching the red
I only buy green plugins. They sound more natural.
Yves Cooreman organic plugins got no GMOs
that is why I use softube's abbey roads rs127 brilliance box! :P
Just thought it was worth mentioning that on any waves plug in you should be gain staging it to -18dbs (in the DAW), apparently they've made all their plug ins add 'analog' distortion and colouring above that level. So the 'headroom' that they give you is basically a colour level. All of the waves compressors sound awful if you run them hot to my ears.
Not my knowledge, i was told it by my lecturer at university (worked at abbey road as a mix engineer)
Peace!
Just one more thing I hope the reference tracks you are using are really not already mastered, so it maybe could make sense to compare an already good mastered one with the one you working at?
I am finally going to comment on analog-looking plugins because I just had an epiphany ... what if you are using a control surface? They have knobs, buttons, and sliders (like the Softube Console 1 and others) ... or what if you are using a Slate Raven?
David Rosario ??
Then you can control it?
Carrotman Sure, just not sure that’s his question.
I'm literally just trying to finish his sentence man. I really don't understand the question.
The raven just added another layer of complexity between me and my mix. Not worth it. Maybe in future when tech catches up?
And controllers are hit and miss . If they could all auto map so that it’s quick maybe? But most of my time got spent teaching controllers the midi functions etc. now if you use softie plugins and a softy be controller then that works fine! Avid for avid and so on….
Waves doesn’t offer one I don’t think? Neither do any other plugin companies. So if your cool spending time pre programming all the functions and then learning them too… I think shortcuts are my best solution so far . Maybe the fader one due to simplicity?
Worth getting?
"Rusty plug-in" haaaaaa dude you are hilarious! I need to check all my plugins face plates for rust now! Hope I don't need to send them in for warranty work.
Hi, what is the difference between this and say the SSL E for example? Are they just different "colors"?
I'm late getting to this video; I didn't see it before I purchased that program. Though I own and use many programs you criticize... the value of the negatives you point out, is that it helps me to investigate the strengths and weaknesses of the plugins.
I have been really ANGRY at Waves due to their WUP thing... but I keep coming back, because no other software exhibits the functional characteristics of Waves plugins. I use other great company's plugins... but Waves is a unique 'thing'. :)
Stay safe/well man!! :)
JAJAJAJAJAJ. LOVE IT!!! Like the way you dig in. Thanks a lot. I am gonna buy it.
OWN this. Sounds very very good. For what...29€??? Definitely one of the best plugins Waves has ever made.
I bought this plug-in and I’m sure it’s amazing but the truth is that my mixing skills aren’t where they need to be yet to be able to take full advantage of what it’s probably capable of!
Jorgie WTF don’t worry. His aren’t either.
spreader feature is the best thing about it
Can you please tell which waves level meter plugin you are using? Obviously the classic VU meter but you have a peak hold meter above it🤔
Helloooo))), great videos!!!) Do u know something about composer Behringer 1952, can u test it also plsss))))
What is this guy talking about ? This is a fantastic plugin !
One of the best Waves Tools.
I'm sure with the next update they will show some rust.
I do have a rebuttal to your understanding of using a "analog looking" plugins.....I deff think part of the enjoyment of use, is the UI & how it "feels", part of the romantism is from the "look". If I use a "modern" style plugin......I dig a more "futuristic" style UI. I, personally love the look of the analog "simulations". Good stuff Brother.
I just love these "wake up calls"...all these people buying into marketing strategies...WSS keeps it real!
Puts and already mastered track through a mastering plugin... Wow.
So? Is that illegal or something?
@andrew_bakersfield The track isn't going to be better for you maybe but you're still going to hear the difference that the plugin made to the track.
review lurssen mastering console
This chick can really mix a track!!!
But really...I don't know why Waves gets such a bad name by some of the critics. I've seen some of the biggest professionals on the PLANET use Waves plug ins on huge commercial successes. I used them almost exclusively for a long time as well and made GREAT sounding tracks. Do I use UAD, Fabfilter, Soundtoys Arturia, softtube, Brainworx, black rooster, Valhalla and on and on...YES I've used em ALL. But Waves has some bitchin plugs...their Deesser is still one of the best..works better than fabfilters in my book. Their Renaissance series is the shiz. The Rcomp is epic for vocals...the Eq. Then you have the Waves L2...L3...and their Abbey road stuff like this is bitchin. They really upped their game with this package. LOTS of mojo for your money in my book and I've used em all. Meh....whatever...if it sounds good to you that's all that matters.