Less than Real: How MGS2 Made History
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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For the last 20 years, the 'meme' of Hideo Kojima's Metal Gear Solid 2 has made history. But what were the conditions that gave rise to such a game? Why did MGS2 matter in 2001, and how does it still matter in 2021? What specifically, did this oceanic title represent for the medium? Let's find out!
Join your host, FSP's Jorin Lee, as he takes you inside the seminal tactical espionage action of the "Hollywood Game", MGS2, like you've never seen before! Includes rare/ unseen footage, concept art, soundtrack samples, making of footage, and much, much more! Enjoy Boss - but remember...there is more to leave behind when we're gone than mere DNA. Don't obsess over words so much. Find something to believe in, then pass it on!
3:48 - Introduction
2:54 - Part One
21:43 - Part Two
28:58 - Part Three
38:08 - Part Four
54:16 - Part Five
01:36:00 - Conclusion
01:38:44 - End Credits
"The long awaited sequel to the PlayStation game Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty was released on November 13th, 2001. MGS2 does not star the former FOXHOUND agent Solid Snake. Instead, Hideo Kojima took players into the mind of super soldier Raiden, a stealth operative on his first live combat scenario. His objective is to stop a group of terrorists, calling themselves the Sons of Liberty. This includes blowing up a large oil cleanup facility and killing the President of the United States.
MGS2's innovations included its introduction of the laser sight mechanic for more accurate aiming, and a refined cover system that allowed both players and enemies to shoot from cover. It also introduced collective enemy AI routines that relied on squad tactics rather than working individually, while individual enemies expressed fear and even birds had their own AI routines. MGS2 was considered to have the best enemy AI in gaming for many years. The physics was also a major step forward for gaming, particularly the sophisticated particle effects for its time (including for individual drops of rain) and the way objects moved.
The game earned both critical and commercial acclaim upon release, with the highest sales and review scores in the series. However, the game's convoluted story, excessive use of Codec conversations and new protagonist Raiden was criticized by a number of fans, temporarily relegating him to a joke character (even with Kojima himself) until his popular transformation in Metal Gear Solid 4.
Despite the controversy surrounding the unexpected bait-and-switch and convoluted storyline at the time, Sons of Liberty is today seen as a landmark title in the history of video games. It is considered the first truly postmodern video game, is frequently cited as a primary example of artistic expression in video games, and is generally considered one of the most influential games of the past decade, both for its artistic influence on later video game storylines (most notably Eternal Darkness, Killer7, Portal, and especially BioShock, which even featured a very similar plot twist) as well as its influence on the gameplay mechanics of many action games since."
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Sons of Liberty is easily the most influential Metal Gear game ever made. From the quantum leap in graphics, to the way it accurately predicted our current, echo chamber ridden social media age, to the groundbreaking idea of manipulating the player inside and outside of the game into unknowingly following the Patriots plan. Kojima has yet to dance this close to the fire ever again in my opinion. The games that came after it all had their own individual strengths, but none of them were as ballsy with it’s story and themes like MGS2.
Imo death stranding comes close. It's freightening how it predicted the world we are in since early 2020
A quantum leap would mean a tiny leap
i think he's gonna do it again. death stranding was kojima adjusting to running a solo studio, after already getting his shot blocked twice back to back with MGSV and PT. whatever's next coming down the pike is going to be crazy in my opinion.
@Babes & Board Games but the prediction was insane even if it was 1 year
Hideo Kojima is a God, he time travels change my mind.
Me: “I’m really into Metal Gear deep dive analysis videos right now”
McD’s Employee: “So would you like to order or…”
Can confirm, I was the employee.
@@Redbird-dh7mu can confirm. I was the broken ice cream machine
Can confirm, I was in the passenger's seat behind them with the window rolled down. Heard everything without codec or a directional microphone.
Can confirm, I was the North American Fall Webworm near the window.
Yo fr that happened to me bro but at Carls Jr lmao
The way this game is written is unlike anything else around
I disagree, it was a lot like Metal Gear Solid 1 and 3
Kohima must have smoked dmt with rogan
@@kevinbissinger stylistically MGS2 was a massively different beast
the way this essay is structured is also
That’s why I liked this one more than 3. The game feels like mgs1
I remember completing this game the week it came out with my cousin and friend. After we finished the game we all looked at each other and just started laughing. We had thought this was perhaps the dumbest story ever, the gameplay is what we raved about. Now 20 years later in my 40’s I can truly appreciate what Hideo was trying to say. So what I’ve learned is never underestimate Hideo no matter how crazy and esoteric.
That’s crazy I had the exact opposite response beat it when I was 11 and didn’t fully understand the story, but the last 3-4 hours blew me away and changed my conception of what the future be and how we would receive information
@killwill83 Yeah, if we talk about character and story overall, it is kinda, yeah, could be better. But I think what people praise is the twist and message. The twist is pretty unique and neat, something out of the world at that time. But, yeah story wise, I prefer MGS3, the plot is more neat And enjoyable with a beautiful twist
@@teza5809 same
I think if you have a high interest in technology, war, and history you will understand the story a bit better. Of course as kids we don't have interest in any of this stuff, its only when we get older and mature we start to see things a lot differently. Mgs4 really blew my mind with the some of the stuff ocelot has to say to snake. A lot of what he as to say is pretty realistic and the future we are already in. I like video games like any other man on this comment section, but metal gear will always have a special place in my heart.
MGS2 has the shittiest story, but by far the most cogent and prevalent actual message of any of the other games in the series. And that's why I definitely respect it, even though I kind of hate it at the same time. Because everything surrounding it -- apart from the gameplay -- sucks.
You have to be considered the premiere Kojima biographer at this point. Hopefully you get to interview him some day.
speaking a bit of japanese might help lol
@@smith6752 that's what interpreter's are for 👌
Very good point
E.
This game was so way ahead of it's time it's staggering, the whole thing about trash data and overflow of data. I am 25 and was 12-13 when I played it the first time and it hit me on a really deep level, and I was also scared shitless by the Colonel A.I, cause I thought myself he was acting weird af.
Yea when they started calling you and telling you’ve been playing a little too long that’s when I started wonder what the hell was going on lol
@@cinemashotcritique539 yeah that's when I was really weirded out as well hahaha "TURN THE GAME CONSOLE OFF!"
I experienced the same freaking thing man. I remember putting the controller down for a little bit and getting up to get a snack or something because I remember feelings weird/nervous and trying not to think about it. Lol
I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock!
*_I NEED SCISSORS! 61!_*
@@cinemashotcritique539 Programmers fucking with you lol
1:34:40 Raiden is probably not a narcissist per se; like James, he's suffering from derealization (and James may also be experiencing a dissociative disorder). It's not so much that Raiden thinks he's better than other people, it's that he's terribly wounded psychologically and afraid of getting into close contact with others.
Who is James?
Can you believe that a game that has been around since 2001 is still SO damn influential? Some things are just built to last..
You can dig into mgs2 and still find stuff that amazes me. I bought the game in 2006 my first mgs game, but before that it stuck on the demo tralier for me as telling me somthing, and i wasnt even a mgs fan then as I am today. Its left a huge impact.
You are both correct about the dopeness. However metal gear was around in the 80's fellas 😏
Lindy
I still play it from time to time
@@aliforeman1819 Nobody disputed that
That intro gave me nostalgia and ptsd wrapped into one package. oh boy
I also played this game as a young kid, before ever experiencing the first game. The finale left me absolutely flabbergasted in a way I only understood when I got older. I couldn't make heads or tails of the story, yet simultaneously I somehow felt some of the most vivid dread a game has ever made me feel, as if I was in over my head. Thing is, I *absolutely was*. I think experiencing MGS2 first really helped put me in the shoes of Raiden, the entire narrative felt frustratingly, actively hostile toward me right up until Snake's speech, but I knew on some level that it wasn't a bad story, I just didn't have the faculties to unpack what I was being shown.
Love the video, I really can't beleive how much substantive content you manage to produce on the whole series.
Same. I replayed mgs2 in 2019 and I couldn't believe how appropriate it was. Disinformation everywhere. Data inundation. Everyone thinks they are right.
We are living in an age totally predicted by Kojima. I really think this was the peak of the series from a story telling / future vision perspective.
So wild to follow up mgs1 with this as well.
Jack's story is super cringy. The Rose / Raiden codec calls are just the worst tbh
The Document of MGS2 is so cool, I wish more games had such extensive and detailed interactive making-of documentaries.
Jorin Lee should be hired by Kojima Productions.
Oh no
An 1hr 30min, well-edited video that will make me lose all productivity
The rate you make these top quality videos leads me to believe you’ve got some Uber focus or substance abuse issues.
MGS2 was my first Metal Gear game. Its always held a special place in my heart and for years I was saddened by how people looked down on it. Its nice to see how appreciated the game is now, especially with how relevant its become in our current world.
Alot of it was the main charater switch that left people resenting raiden
It's so rare to see people producing something that isn't shallow these days, that when I find a channel like yours, I have a little faith in humanity again. This is definitely the best way to talk about a franchise with so many layers like Metal Gear. Speaking of details, that effect of the sun on Olga's scene (1:17:48) is something I've also seen in another game where the developers were also obsessed with the little details: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
You could also hear the sound of the wind swaying the vegetation around the entrance to the Temple of Time, and the sounds of animals such as wolves and birds at various times. It is also possible to see many places on the map in the distance, such as the Death Mountain, or even the Kakariko Village. As far as the setting and pillars of modern open world games are concerned, there are good examples along with MGS2 that helped form the foundation we have today.
The audio/visual presentation is unlike any other documentary-timely made video I've watched about the MGS series.
1:18:51 I like also how MGS3 expanded on this idea by making the enemy supply line your infiltration route essentially. I always love how attention was given to make the bases feel functional and realistic in every game
I can't believe the script for the story was mostly written in 1999...
It truly aged like fine wine.
I played Mgs2 first time in 2007 and without memory card but had one of most if not the most powerful game experience in 25 years of gaming. I will never forget how I played trough from the Tanker chapter all the way to arsenal Gear. When AI Colonel told me to turn off the console immediately I froze got scared and really turned it off. Iwas alone unable to process what just happened. Not to mention the codec conversation with US president saying he has no real power. Jaw dropped in revelation like moments the video game made me reconsider my view at geopolitics and on media system mainstream opinions etc. Next day I started to walkthrough again from the Solid Snake Tanker Chapter. That day I beat the game. I was overwhelmed by multiple aspects the beautiful graphics goose bumping soundtrack highly addictive gameplay all nailed by amazing story and characters. Fast forward 14 years later.Yesterday I plugged in PS5 for the first time after almost six years of playing PS4. No big vibes, played cod cold war and enlisted. I was not dragged into it. Death stranding was game where I was 100 percent sure it will be as great as Metal Gear but after 2-3 hours the disappointment kicked in. Back in 2013 I bought PSP from friend and thanks to hacks I played trough snatcher and policenauts for the first time. Beat them with help of guides, I enjoyed them more than death stranding.on Ps4 and 5 cant run MGS 4 which is also disappointing. Either current gen games lost its magic or We are getting too old to enjoy them. Or both
Getting so many year 2000 - 2002 vibes watching this video. Nostalgia 😍
Damn man, I'm not ready for your MGS2 analysis' to come to an end- they're literally the best on the internet.
Analyses? Analysi? Analysum
@@lunarluxe9832 idk bruh I typed that at 2 am on my phone lol
Metal Gear Solid 2 and Silent Hill 2 in the same year. Konami used to be one of the finest developers in the world.
So clever how it was edited in such a way that it’s documentary style fits the time period it came out in. The prefacing of what it’s about, the pacing, the quality.
I got to play Metal Gear Solid 1 the night before the EU release and played it right through the night!
When Metal Gear Solid 2 came out, I didn't have a PS2 but a friend.
On the day of the release there was a party at one of our friends. I begged my buddy to bring the PS2 with him. Keep reminding him ...
I bought the game that day.
And so it happened that instead of celebrating with all my friends, I connected the PS2 to his parents' TV, sat on an air mattress on the floor and played the 2nd part.
And until the early hours of the morning.
My friends didn't know the games as well as I did, but kept coming back again and again to watch them.
In the end, many sat around me and were really excited to see how I tried the final fight against the many metal gears over and over again.
In the end I made it and was so relieved ...
One of the best parties ever XDDD
12:12 Shrek confirmed playable in MGS Remake
Nobody else pumps out as many quality MGS documentaries as you. Keep it up!
I remember seeing this game teased on e3 around the time ps2 was dropping I waited for this game only. That opening scene of Snake on the George Washington Bridge is still monumental. The whole play through on the oil tanker graphic was awesome...no words describe how I feel towards this game.
This game was waaaay ahead of it's time.
I played this game countless times and saw new footage in this video. Amazingly well put together. There really is no game like this one.
At first I was disappointed you played as Raiden in 2001 but this game grew on me and now I don't mind it at all. The story telling in this one is my favorite and loved every villian more than any MGS. I had no idea Raiden was 33 in MGS2 which is crazy because snake was 23 in mgs 1. just shows u how bad snake really aged even before we played MGS 4.
Who else stayed in the tanker pantry for 20 minutes every playthrough so they could stare in amazement at all the shit breaking when you shot it?
i know they rank MGS3 as the greatest but no one can deny that MGS2 is the most important, influental, impactful and groundbreaking of the entire series. its also my personal favourite of the series.
You know it's always good if it's a 1 hour + long MGS video
Full length video!? Nice.
Great look overall, but I was especially impressed by your brief Can't Say Goodbye segment at the 20 minute mark. Loved the way you helped frame MGS2 around the "end of history"/Y2K era culture, which will probably end up helping it outlast the rest of the series.
Holding off on speaking until 2:40 was a very Metal Gear thing to do.
"Babe wake up new MGS2 futurasound"
They are gonna look back at your MGS Solid videos in 20 years and see the greatness you have done too
Rewatching this because I just got the HD collection And I finally get to play the game that's always intrigued me. Your videos are a big reason why I love this series of games and have barely ever played. (I had Nintendo)
One of the greatest game series ever! Was 15 yrs old when beat MGS 1 that I rented from a blockbuster not knowing anything about the series and couldn't put it down. Was bout 18 yrs old when MGS 2 dropped and another epic tale. Raiden introduction threw me off but played through to the end and was awestruck by all of it. Memorable boss battles and food for thought.
Holy shit. You have made me rediscover zone of the enders. This was one of my childhood memories I didn't know I had. That music brought it back along with the gameplay footage.
Same, played it age 10, before mgs1, and it felt just like an amazing experience, when I finished I thought : i'm too young to get it but this is sick, let's get back to it when I'm older
I'm playing through the mgs series for the first time, I'm 20, so I was born when mgs2 came out in 2001. Playing it now, I'm blown away by it, it still holds up to this day.
The very beginning of this video transported me back in time and hurts in a way I’ve never felt
Man as a fan of MGS I hope you decide to continue with other games in the series because this was such a great watch.
Man I love these break downs.. I still play through all 3 mgs on emulator a least once a year now..
I played this game at age 12, when it was fairly new, and it fairly blew my mind. I didn't understand every nuance of that final codec call, but on some level, I understood that this was more than "just" a video game.
I haven't played a new MGS since Snake Eater, so I can't speak on this generation of games. I _can_ say MGS 2 was my first of the series, and the first to show me that video games could transcend mere pastime and achieve something amazing.
HYPED, love your work Futura!
Those inital sounds at the beginning of the video sent me back to a time not long ago.
Jorin Lee could write for any big network channel, such as history channel or discovery channel. Truly excellent virtual essays
Man...I'm only 20min in and wow. Love the way you put this video together.
nice work, buddy. one of the best videos about mgs2 for it's 20th anniversary.
"You know what you're doing" 👍
Hands down the best MGS channel there is. Good job man.
- Snake, did you get the Metal Gear photos printed?
- ᵇᵒᵍᵒˢ ᵇⁱⁿᵗᵉᵈ
- WHAT?!
I was a 90s kid and oh boy Did I constantly heard and saw everyone panicking about the Y2K commotion. All I said to myself was, "Welp, I don't know what's gonna happen, but at least I'm old enough/conscious enough to witness the change from the 20th century to 21st century and see if the world does actually blow up". But during that time, I wasn't aware of the Metal Gear series' existence at all until Super Smash Bros Brawl was announced for the Wii and saw a trailer for this Snake guy, that was when I became aware of its existence (all throughout my childhood and still to this day, I always went with Nintendo as my primary game system).
Interestingly, your voice sounds a lot like the voice used in the Playstation Underground demo disc narration (Like that found in volume 2 Issue 4 for example). I highly doubt you're that person but that's what it reminded me a lot of. Thanks for the video, very nice and in depth on MGS2.
I absolutely love that intro. It's like signalwave on bandcamp. Also I agree that MGS 2 was a proper experience that made you think. It's a rare game. Also I totally didn't know Raiden could feel remorse after killing the first enemy if you were nonlethal for a while first
You gave shenmue props right at the right spot of topic good job man
I'm picking up little bits of terminology you're using and I think I've figured out roughly what kind of stuff you research and I dig it 😉
This is the best documentary i have ever seen
Metal Gear just seems to bring the Best out of Content Creators such as Jorin Lee or Aamon Hawk.
Less than real: this dude's upload schedule given the lengths of the videos
I'm glad you're channel is growing jorin you deserve it dude. Your in depth analysis and inspection of the source material was as on point as ever and I look forward to what comes next. Stay curious and studious My friend
Thanks for reccommending all these books in your vids, dude. They are always really good.
love the inversion of Baudrilliard in this title. Keep pumping out the amazing analysis!
12:11 man has not 1 but 2 Shrek boxes in his cubicle, truly a man of culture
MGSV Fob draws a lot of from the big shell. As if the concept was realised more fully.
23:30 I have not heard that music since I last played ZOE when it came out, i completely froze and it was a very odd feeling of nostalgia and longing. Honestly that game was the first video game to make me cry
MGS 2 was my first game on the ps2 when I got it in 2001. That game changed me at a really young age. I wish these games were more accessible to play on the modern generation
I'm subscribed to this guy and every time I see a new hour+ mgs analysis vid i think, how?
One of your best videos yet !!! You always nail any mgs2 video
Man I couldn’t wait to get home to watch this, your dam good at these docs man
You're giving society How many great ideas one game can make. Everyone who watches love every short film. Keep it going. You should be able to make a living with your well crafted synopsis on every aspect, which the fans adore. They are plenty who hope you would be able to keep this going full-time.
I didn't play MGS2 until I think 2019 and Its.crazy that people hated this game. It's unfortunate how close to life it hits now...
Please do a virtual essay on Portable Ops sometime in the near future. Even though Kojima didn't direct it, he did say that the "main story" is canon. It would be dope to see your interpretation of it & how it fits in the bigger picture of the saga.
This was one of your best videos btw. If I disagree with you on minor points it doesn't mean I dislike the content. Keep it up.
Considering how ubiquitous DVDs were, I always find it funny how it only stuck around for one console generation - technically two if you count the Xbox
This video was great. It was easy to understand and I think you conveyed the message well both visually and audibly.
Excellent documentary. MGS series is just so perfect and awesome. Been playing through the series again this year. 2021
Wonder if that Abdanded theroies of mgs remake are true
Reminded me of an old G4TV segment. Very nice review of a very nice game.
This is the first time I'm seeing Zone of the Enders gameplay and my first thought was that the mecha looks like a cross between MG Ray and Unit 1 from Evangelion. I've heard of wearing your influences on your sleeve but the entire face looks like Unit 1 when it goes berserk.
17:52 Pierce Brosnan on NBC
Hah, was not expecting to find a Tie Fighter reference here. Nice 👍
Link to that synth version of "Can't say goodbye to yesterday"?
I see anything involving MGS2, the greatest game of all time (possibly tied with MGS1/Half Life 2), I click
I never really noticed the opening vertical slice of each game. Not only did it serve as a tutorial, rule setting environment for the player, it was often the demo and apparently where the team got their feet wet for the bulk of the game. Playing and stressing what they could realistically get away with in the real game. Clever economic move turned story element
This game shaped who I would become.
I absolutely cannot wait for the next one of these
Been loving these man, so glad I found your channel!
As a 12 year old I shut the game off my first time through.. Campbell scared the shit outta me 😂😂
Sadly I can't say goodbye to yesterday my friend.😔
Great video. 👍
Your videos are all so incredibly great, thank you very very much for your awesome insights
Most underrated youtuber ever
Wow... The first and only time I ever played MGS2 was a Saturday and I played all the way through... When the AI started chastising Raiden/ The Player, my mom had sided with GW. Wow, just wow. I truly haven't touched it in over 10 years... I feel like that needs to change.
I'm looking forward to play the remake.
I have played MGS 2 only once and I would play it again now if there was no news that a remake will be released.
No remakes please. I won’t to remember them as they are.
12:11 Dat Shrek poster right there
Great job Jorin. Keep on keeping on!
I love this! The type of vid you watch and eat your dinner with..
Pretty Good..