Finally a video on the sukhoi su 7, my grandfather will be delighted to see this video. He was in the 221 squadron 'Valiants' which attacked and destroyed military targets in dhaka in 1971. Because of its somewhat bad reputation the sukhoi su 7 was the forgotten fighter aircraft of the Indian Airforce
Thanks for commenting! This Su-7 is a mod and it's not really functioning too well. The 2.7 version of DCS spoiled the textures to I can only show it from a distance and not from every angle :)
@@showtime112 i believe this aircraft was code named "fishpot" by NATO as the "fitter" codename was given to the SU-17/20/22 family but excellent video all the same.👍👍👍
Impressive to see a SU-7 achieve a kill especially their hopeless performance in Egypt, nonetheless the Indian pilot demonstrated pure skill and madness, mad Molly as I've read.
My Dad was a engine tech on Su-7s back in 1971..he is a 65 & 71 veteran.. he used to say that a man of 5'7" could stand in side the jet pipe of a Su-7.. it was a huge n powerful engine..a gas guzzler..
My dad was in indian airforce, he shared his experience how expensive to manage this aircraft because he use benzene as a fuel which was pretty much expensive and also its gruzzeling sound can make turbulence to wingman's aircraft nozzels. Also they were not so good in combats
Another brilliant dramatisation! This pilot was known as 'Mad Mally' and he returned to base without claiming the kill. The kill was chalked up in his name only after the PAF conceded the loss of a MiG-19 over Mianwali.
Another one from from the master. Please focus more on making these kinds of videos instead of the "type specific" ones like the one you did on the Ju-87. Also great to look at but there are enough of these kind video's around on YT. You have a real niche thing going here with your "forgotten air battles". No one else does this. Keep it up! .
Thanks for the feedback! This kind of videos will probably stay bread and butter of the channel for a long time. The 'five thing' series is a bit of an experiment that's so far been partially successful. As for the Stuka video, rarely have I been so happy about one and rarely have I watched it so many times.
Another GREAT video and historical presentation. Thanks again ¡¡¡ Don't worry about the details of different models you include in your videos, what it counts is the overall HISTORICAL event; you are paying tribute to he military aviators who were involved. Greetings from Mexico City.
High landing speed, thirsty all the time, but fast like a bat out of hell, Iraq used these against us plenty times, I remember seeing them bombing our city few times, once it was one, once there was two coming in a trail, second one got hit as they dashed through the valley but they both hit the bridge they were going for and escaped, last time there was four, they dived down in close formation and put more rockets than God into those barracks East of the city... then I didn't see their colors until I was in conscription twenty years later, this time two Su20s from our own guys showed up during a wargame and put some bombs and guns into a target few kicks to the south of our line, man those things are amazing to watch, and they are tall and thin from the side, that's when I started calling them angry freight train...
Interestingly this Su family was quite diverse and prolific The fighter interceptor was actually the Su9 (not the7), with a wing plan similar to the Mig21 and later evolved in the Su15 and it's variants. The Su7 evolved into the variable wing Su17 and later the Su 22..
It's anemic weapons load and fuel aside the pilots claimed it could take a lot of punishment ...many of them survived damages and brought back pilots that would not be possible with other planes
Great to hear that an aircraft like the SU-7 was able to get a gun kill on a recon mission. Proves that it is the pilot and not the machine that makes a difference in the air. Situational awareness is key in the air - Dicta Boelcke.♠️🎩🎱🎯🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🌻🔱🔱💮🌼🌼🌸👊🏴☠️
Dicta Boelcke: 1. Try to secure advantages before attacking. If possible, keep the sun behind you. 2. Always carry through an attack when you have started it. 3. Fire only at close range, and only when your opponent is properly in your sights. 4. Always keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses. 5. In any form of attack it is essential to assail your enemy from behind. 6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try to evade his onslaught, but fly to meet it. 7. When over the enemy's lines never forget your own line of retreat. 8. For the Staffel (squadron): Attack on principle in groups of four or six. When the fight breaks up into a series of single combats, take care that several do not go for the same opponent.[6]
@@guaporeturns9472 these days.... Yes! With the advancements in stealth and radar tech. Back then, USSR and USA were pretty neck to neck... It almost always came down to skill and strategy... More so on strategy.
@@VDO_Abhishek_Beniwal No we don't, be in Congress of BJP, both parties have actively gone against such ideals. If we were infouencial like the west we too would be like them, same for everyone. Humans are the same.
@@Abdullah-mn6sw When I say "we", I say Hindus and affiliated sects. I didn't include you. You have Arabian name, Arabian religion and Arabian culture. You don't represent the real India. I hope you can relate 🙏🙏
@@VDO_Abhishek_Beniwal Oh sorry I forgot that Marathas trying to invade Bengal multiple times and killing innocents was a form democracy, or Marathas taking over Punjab which was ruled by Sikhs is democracy, or Rajputs fighting each other for northern India was democracy, or Marathas and Rajputs fighting alongside Mughals was democracy.
It's an old mod which isn't available anymore, probably because the author didn't update it in a long time. There's something wrong with the textures since 2.7 but it still kinda works from some angles.
Pakistan never used mig or sukhoi fighter jets of USSR or Russia. Pakistan used all American jets f86 sabre and f104 starfighter used in 1965 and 1971 wars
Yeah, this is called F-6 for export, J-6 for domestic use but it is really just MiG-19 and many serious historians and writers simply call it that way, even though it is Chinese built. Don't split hairs.
You mean, you can't make yourself do it or the link doesn't work? 🤣 If it's the latter, you can just go to www.patreon.com and search 'showtime112'. Thank you for considering becoming a supporter!
@@showtime112 nah not talking about Indians i am talking about pakistan and china made jf17 thunders ok leave it make a documentry on last attacks.by pakistan and india and collect true information from.both side . And even evidence
@@showtime112 whatever brief it is i dont care but ur brief should know the otherside sayings also so u ll make it more correctly na 😇 mig 21s are known as flying coffins alot of indian pilots died by incidents in their own air space because of it .
I have subscribed ypu becaus u share good and little accurate video especially for pakistan and india ok so i want you to make it more peefect by knwoing the game from both sides truely . ✌️ Remember one thing these indians are not even truth speakers . They are loosers whatever they say they just say cant proove that . Forexample if a pakistani fighter jet shot to their craft they ll try to find that rocket shell and show it to media like we have shot pakistani fighters . So brother come out and be neutral
The kill is confirmed by the well respected Pakistani historian and retired Air Commodore, Kaiser Tufail. So, there's no doubt about it. Welcome to the channel, feel free to look around!
I wouldn't say Indian pilots are winning most engagements. Especially not on this channel's videos, if that's what you mean. In this case, it was simply the fact that the Su-7 pilot was in a more favorable position and he spotted the enemy first. A bit of luck and audacity.
@@ratagris21 Um didn't Pakistani pilot shot down Israeli jets in 1967 war ? and recently they also shot down a indian mig-21. They have performed really well don't know why they were not able to do so in any indo-pak wars
Another excellent video and narration by Showtime 112. One thing however, @3:38 and @4:01 PAF MiG 19 / F-6 did not have arabic or Urdu numerals on the front fuselage.
@@showtime112 "The MiG-21 is not regarded as a good weapon system by the PAF, which turned it down, together with the Su-7, when offered by the Soviet Union in 1968-9" - Air Enthusiast, May 1972
@@RehmanKhan-yl3op Pakistan received a number of Soviet systems following US embargoes in 1965 including T-54/T-55 tanks, P-35 radars, Mi-8 and (a single) Mi-6 helicopters. The Pakistan Navy was also offered Osa-class fast attack craft, the same type that India would later use to destroy multiple Pakistani warships and oil facilities at Karachi harbour.
For people who know about the India-Pakistan wars.....One Tu-126 AWACS was rumored to be in indian service in 1971, with a soviet crew......true, fake, posible???.......thanks for the information.
What I've "heard" is that the crew was Indian who spoke in Russian during comms to confuse Pakistanis in case the comms got compromised, because they needed to work alongside the 707 Sigint plane India had and Russians themselves didn’t have much idea about doing joint ops like that. India used the "Russian" trick other places too, mainly with the navy during Operation Trident.
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 Indians spoke Russian in 1971 war. In Operation trident by Indian navy 3 missile boats from Indian navy sank 1 destroyer, 1 minesweeper, 1 cargo ship, 1 destroyer badly damaged and then set Karachi on fire the thing is pakistanis didn't even know what hit them they thought it's was Indian airforce because these missiles boats were communicating in Russian. Most of the Indian communication is not in English or Hindi either Russian French spanish or any one of the 19,500 language spoken in India 🤣🤣🤣 no need to use code when u have 19500 languages 🤣🤣🤣
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 yaa they speak Spanish too. Indian military officers are selected from NDA academy it's where officers graduate when joining NDA one foreign language must be selected like french spanish, German, russian, mandarin, sinhalese, Tibetan, Arabic, Japanese etc. NDA is 3 year military course the graduate will be appointed as lieutenant in Indian army
It's interesting how the UK left the subcontinent divided and how the NATO empire that superseded that empire now tries to keep it divided. War and bad blood between India and Pakistan, but also a complex diplomatic and economic situation between those two and Russia and China. I have noticed how if all four begin cooperating, the NATO empire tries to drive the wedges back in between them, e.g., the Imram Khan ousting in Pakistan -- who I remember visiting here in NZ for cricket matches and how he was one of the best, or US visits to the region trying to derail peace by getting countries to chose sides using the 'for us, or against us' tactic, etc. Peace Sells, But Who's Buying huh? (a song title) I think if those wedges fail to prevent peace breaking out and strategic economic cooperation grows among those players, all four countries will prosper and move forward rapidly, because together they have all the human and material resources required to do it. Many countries will want to join them. I am a NZ'er and of European descent, but I think this century is shaping up to be one for Asia and Eurasia. I see signs of the so called western world stagnating and even declining. I think Asia and Eurasia could boom and rapidly advance living standards and tech etc. It just needs peace, stability and fair cooperation. That requires earned trust and shared vision. I'd bet on it happening, because countries are asserting themselves and not being bossed to bend the knee to sole superpower Uncle Sam like they were in the 1990s etc. Asia doing well will be good for NZ too, because we sell lots to Asia, but not much to the USA. Let's make sure the USA does not get its new cold war with the front lines in Asia like it wants. War is interesting, but I am not keen for it, or another cold war. I lived through the last one. Seeing the year 2000 seemed 50/50 at times. The Yanks won, so I think they must presume they can win another one. A high stakes gamble, not a sure thing or playbook for victory. Get it wrong and radioactive ashes will be the destiny of millions. They seem to thrive on chaos and conflict, although it is not doing their $33 trillion debt much good, plus they seem to be turning on each other over their own wedge issues that divide Americans. The best thing the rest of the world can do is just ignore them and get on with prospering together by bypassing the Yanks and all their economic roadblocks, CIA/State Dept meddling, media propaganda etc (yes, the Americans do propaganda and public opinion shaping domestically and globally -- and perhaps more than the rest of the world combined). P.S. The Su-7 doing drifts on the ice. My millennial relatives would be very impressed if a Mazda RX7 did that, let alone a fighter jet. I always thought of the jet more as an interceptor, come fighter bomber in its revision. Great looking plane. I can not decide my favourite Soviet jet of that era. I like the lines of the MiG-19 too. Sure, this or that plane is better, but in the context of the time, they were not bad at all. The Soviet design bureaus had the TsAGI facilities expanded, so they could test designs and aerodynamic theory in supersonic wind tunnels etc. The research often bore fruit, e.g., the later Su-27 and MiG-29 airframes were astonishing for their time. -- I remember the amazement well. I am also always amazed at how the Soviets took an almost feudal Russia that was decades behind the west and was mostly illiterate peasant farmers, but turned that into a highly educated, fairly advanced superpower in a very short time. That is mind boggling levels of socioeconomic and technical advancement (there's good and bad in it and it ran out of steam for many reasons internal and external, but it's still impressive from a historical point of view that it occurred at all, e.g., periods where the growth rates were in the hundreds of percent, whereas now a few percent is considered fast). BTW. I despise things about the US patrician class, i.e., things about the billionaires and hedge funders et cetera, but I have no problem with the average working American, apart from too many of them drink the Kool-Aid, which led to and still leads to their government causing many, many millions of deaths worldwide since WWII. I hope the Americans prevail that want the USA to be just another country, rather than this self appointed leader of the free world BS and the world's policeman etc. US tax payers pay a lot of the cost of all that, but they do not see hardly any of the ROI on their investment. - Wall Street does, while the average US worker just gets a little trickle down if they are lucky. Sometimes they benefit economically though, but that is offset by high costs of living and declining real incomes etc. Some non-first-world countries are almost overtaking them, or have already. The USA is very uneven socioeconomically though. A huge gap between the millions of poor and the few super wealthy, while the so called middle class shrinks and edges closer to the living standards of America's poor. I spent two years in Michigan 2014-2016 and saw the Rust Belt and homeless etc. It shocked me. Parts of it looked just like the decrepit factories liquidated after 1991 in the former USSR. I'll never forget what I saw in Detroit. Miles and miles of urban and suburban decay, industrial ruins, and true poverty out in plain sight (poverty by any standard a few notches short of famine and war etc). Woops. I wrote a little comment and just kept editing and adding more. It's something I think about at times. What kind of world the younger generations of my family will face. The same old, same old, but lots of different too. History does not repeat, but it does rhyme. I suspect AI and automation will transform the capitalist methods of production so much that it will transform society gradually over decades like steam power and electricity et cetera did to feudalism's age old systems of production and society during the Industrial Revolution. Something new taking shape. That could be a good thing, or it could be a terrible dystopia like the TV series The Expanse where there is very little work for folks stuck on Earth, so they live on rations pretty much. It could also be something in between those two poles. A lot depends on who owns the machines and the wealth they produce etc. They are the ones who will have the political power to shape what it all looks like and where it goes, because what is called democracy is really more akin to plutocracy and oligarchy. Okay, I am done. It's getting late. Cheers to anybody who read all this. Have a nice day whoever you are and wherever you are :). Then there's Africa. The wealthiest continent perhaps, but also the poorest. Centuries of corrupt leaders installed by western colonial powers looted all that wealth and they still do even after supposed decolonization. Education, organization, genuine sovereignty over wealth and policy, true self determination, unity and solidarity among African nations, mutual cooperation and socioeconomic development to the benefit of Africans, not Wall Street, Paris and London etc. The recipe for Africa's success. Easier said than done, but Africans are more than capable of it if they all put their minds to it and refuse to be played by the former business suited looters.
Thanks! You can't really say that one side had much better pilots. I think they were comparable but it all depended on individual situations, initial advantage etc. Quite a lot of kills were scored by Pakistanis too. I am limited in what I can do here because of the lack of certain assets in DCS (such as types flown by Indians -Hunter, Gnat etc) and this might give a wrong impression.
@@showtime112 Pakistani pilots are usually slightly better in 1 to 1, but Indians have better co-ordination between different branches of the military. All in all, both sides are quite excellent and underrated as far as airforces go
The numbers of acs IAF has lost in each engagement both these sides have fought is much larger (nearly 2:1 ratio). I do not understand how you reached this conclusion. Is this because the number of videos on this channel are skewed towards documenting the times IAF got the better of PAF?
@@richardwolf8024 had the same conclusion aswell the IAF scored most of their kills while in ground attack role 11kills and 5 during air defense while PAF scored all their kills during air defense role.
On the contrary SU-7, was not a very effective fighter bomber. I experienced 1965 and 1971 war as a school going kid. SU-7 was used in 1971 War. In all parts of the country the SU-7 fought unsuccessful air combats and were seen going down like Mosquitos and little Birds falling from the wide Blue sky. One, was shot down where we lived, and it was down by a F-86 E.. SU-7 Pilot ejected and became a POW. Talking about this particular video,your commentary is incorrect, first hand information report on this incident was that this SU-7, after Recon mission was fleeing away, and while vanishing from the area, spotted two Mig-19's. Since SU-7 was coming from the recon mission, so its all electronics were open / operating and was intercepting the radio communication between the Mig-19s and their radar, during all this it took a pot shot on one of the MIg-19, who were not even aware of the SU-7 being in the area. Both Mig-19s were not vectored by the radar authorities and a lucky shot by the SU-7 hit the Mig-19. This is how it happened. To verify, read Air Marshal Ayaz Khan's article in the magazine called Airforce, September 2009. Same Squadron of Mig-19s, shot down 6 SU-7 and 2 Mig-21s during the War. But it is not to be mention, since this channel is supported by a special vested interest and a of group, who has been given this project to circulating incorrect information and lobbing a wrong kind of propaganda about the opponent air force. After all opponent Air Force gave hell to the enemy, not only in 1971 but also in 1965. in 1971, 102 fighter planes were lost by the enemy and shot down by the opponents and out of which, 25% of were shot down through the ground fire, rest were shot down in the air combat. SU-7, did not do well during the 1971 War. SU-7 were shot down by F-86-Es, Mig-19s, Mirage III and F-104. So, SU-7 did not do well against any of the opponent fighter planes. Enemy Mig-21 did better as compared to 1965 War in which they lost 14 Mig-21s on the tarmac in the famous and popular Pathankot air strike by the opponent F-86-Es. In the 1971 War, enemy lost 102 fighter planes and out of which 50% or more were SU-7s. Even in East Pakistan, SU-7s and Mig-21s were lost to the opponent F-86-Es.
I could upload it to my Google drive. Contact me on showtime112b@gmail.com. But it uses Su-25T cockpit and the textures are quite messed up since 2.7 (just to warn you).
Hahahaha ppl still believe that shit!! He claimed to have shot down 5 but 2 has been confirmed!!! It was a moral booster for thr losing pakistani side!!
@@showtime112 ok showtime, mh 370...you have 25 days left, but i know it will be good. if dcs has balloons which could work for the su 22 peru, then you're off to a good start. thanks.
i ve done extensive research on indo pak wars of both 65 and 71 . . and confidently say that no Mig19 or F6 as called by pakistanis was lost to a SU7 during entire 71 war . . its seems to be a fiction or false claim . . . 🙂
This is confirmed by retired Air Commodore of Pakistani Air Force and a well respected aviation historian Kaiser Tufail. Why do you think he would make up something like that?
@@showtime112 . . Oops sorry . . If this victory is confirmed by Kaiser Tufail, in such case I withdraw my comments . . May be I ve missed this dogfight in my research work . .
@@showtime112 . . I ve read his air combat articles separately . . But not in bookish form ... That s why I may missed this SU vs Mig incident . . . Kaiser Tufail no doubt is the best historian from indo pak region . . 👍👍👍
If I am not wrong u mostly show indian plane shooting down Pakistani plane. You seldom show Pakistani plane shooting down Indian Plane. If I am right then it is biasness on your part. If I am wrong then I apologize in advance
Su7s were a headace for IAF. HUGE in size they were not manoverable. 48 out of 50 were lost in 71. IAF should be thankful to PAF for reducing if not elimlnating their prblem.
Again you tend to show a very Indian perspective and show only Indian victories …how can you talk about info pak air air battles without taking about MMAlam ?
Only Indian victories? You have a strange definition of 'only' 😁 The Alam story is currently not doable because of available assets but it will be in the future.
i dont know whos the video maker and everything but the thing i want to say if you come from.pakistani side (1965) air strikes,Dog fight and make proper documentry on it u ll be amazed . especially knowing about squadrn M.M ALAM. his record never been broken of killing indian jets in split of seconds 😇✌️😎 and that is also posted on google histry is available with proofs so u should come by pakistan side and make this video u ll realize the power of" " M.M ALAM"
First of all, wrong. Su-7 was originally designed to be a fighter but later relegated to fighter-bomber role. But even if it wasn't so, yours would still be the lamest argument in the history of lame arguments.
There are so many successful kills of Indian jets by pak fighters planes during ndo-pak war but you never made pak success video, you are a biased person who has an obsession with indian admiration.
There are videos with Pakistani success, you just didn't bother looking for them. Instead, you watched two of them and assumed something. Your comment really speaks a lot about you.
Here's my message for all the people who are only interested in hearing how awesome their own nation is and how lame their enemies are: HIT THE ROAD JACK, AND DON'T YOU COME BACK NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE! 🤣🤣🤣
Finally a video on the sukhoi su 7, my grandfather will be delighted to see this video. He was in the 221 squadron 'Valiants' which attacked and destroyed military targets in dhaka in 1971. Because of its somewhat bad reputation the sukhoi su 7 was the forgotten fighter aircraft of the Indian Airforce
Thanks for commenting! This Su-7 is a mod and it's not really functioning too well. The 2.7 version of DCS spoiled the textures to I can only show it from a distance and not from every angle :)
No problem showtime112, it was still an engaging, good and realistic video
@@showtime112 i believe this aircraft was code named "fishpot" by NATO as the "fitter" codename was given to the SU-17/20/22 family but excellent video all the same.👍👍👍
@@damien5748 Su-7 is Fitter A, Su-17 is Fitter C, Su-17M is Fitter D and so on. Fishpot is Su-9.
@@showtime112 damn these nato codenames....its confusing .lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
Impressive to see a SU-7 achieve a kill especially their hopeless performance in Egypt, nonetheless the Indian pilot demonstrated pure skill and madness, mad Molly as I've read.
It seems that opportunities will present themselves to those who dare to take them.
@@showtime112 absolutely, what a great line
Mad Mally it is
My Dad was a engine tech on Su-7s back in 1971..he is a 65 & 71 veteran.. he used to say that a man of 5'7" could stand in side the jet pipe of a Su-7.. it was a huge n powerful engine..a gas guzzler..
Thank you for sharing your personal experience!
Came because of Battle Order. Stayed because of the great content
Glad to hear it!
Battle Order??
seconded!
My dad was in indian airforce, he shared his experience how expensive to manage this aircraft because he use benzene as a fuel which was pretty much expensive and also its gruzzeling sound can make turbulence to wingman's aircraft nozzels. Also they were not so good in combats
"Never leave your wingman." Look what happens when you do! Great work as usual Showtime.
Thanks for the comment!
actually everybdy has to run away thats y he left 😂✌️😎
Another brilliant dramatisation! This pilot was known as 'Mad Mally' and he returned to base without claiming the kill. The kill was chalked up in his name only after the PAF conceded the loss of a MiG-19 over Mianwali.
Thanks for providing additional info!
iaf, USAF, NATO, Greek, isreal, australia have exllent and well trained pilots greetings from india
Thanks for commenting!
@@showtime112 brother did you hear about Lalit Roy he is our Indian ace pilot he had 12 kills under his belt
@@mrahulkeya8142 The one from WWI? I have to admit I haven't until now.
@@showtime112 yes
Indra lal Roy,not Lalit Roy,and he had 10 kills,not 12, it's a shame that he's not that well known.
Another great video! The view from the pilot ejecting as well as the sounds he may have heard was remarkable! Super well done. Thanks :)
I'm happy to hear you liked it. Different perspectives are often a vital element of these videos, I think.
I read the tail of a Su-7 what survive a AIM-9 hit is in the IAF museum.......simple and resistant....very soviet!!!
Yes, there are a couple of stories of Su7s coming back in a pretty bad shape.
Awesome! Great to see a fighter bomber take down a air to air fighter! I highly appreciate your content.
Thanks for the feedback, glad to hear you like it!
Not very often does someone recommend a actually good channel and not just trying to prop someone up
It's nice to hear, thanks!
Can you cover Sino-Vietnamese war air battles please?
Also , great content! Battle Order sent us!
Thanks for the comment and suggestion! I'll see if I can dig up any detailed info on that conflict.
Top quality video my friend,Battle of Order sent me here and ngl this video is worth it
Glad to hear it.
Another one from from the master. Please focus more on making these kinds of videos instead of the "type specific" ones like the one you did on the Ju-87. Also great to look at but there are enough of these kind video's around on YT. You have a real niche thing going here with your "forgotten air battles". No one else does this. Keep it up! .
Thanks for the feedback! This kind of videos will probably stay bread and butter of the channel for a long time. The 'five thing' series is a bit of an experiment that's so far been partially successful. As for the Stuka video, rarely have I been so happy about one and rarely have I watched it so many times.
First of all, congratulations for your canal and it’s a good idea to do this videos about air to air battles in the past wars, thanks for your videos
Thank you for your feedback!
Another GREAT video and historical presentation. Thanks again ¡¡¡ Don't worry about the details of different models you include in your videos, what it counts is the overall HISTORICAL event; you are paying tribute to he military aviators who were involved. Greetings from Mexico City.
I really enjoy reading these comments! It's hard to imagine that I will ever stop doing these videos hearing this.
Such interesting stories. Keep them coming and thank you for your work!
I'm glad you liked it! There's a lot more to come.
Great video, love the included footage.
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to include that more often.
High landing speed, thirsty all the time, but fast like a bat out of hell, Iraq used these against us plenty times, I remember seeing them bombing our city few times, once it was one, once there was two coming in a trail, second one got hit as they dashed through the valley but they both hit the bridge they were going for and escaped, last time there was four, they dived down in close formation and put more rockets than God into those barracks East of the city... then I didn't see their colors until I was in conscription twenty years later, this time two Su20s from our own guys showed up during a wargame and put some bombs and guns into a target few kicks to the south of our line, man those things are amazing to watch, and they are tall and thin from the side, that's when I started calling them angry freight train...
Thank you for sharing your personal experience. The Iraqis used the Fitter family very intensively during the war.
Battle order sent me, and Im not disappointed.
How nice of them!
Love your videos keep ‘em coming! So unique and interesting
It's nice to hear. More coming up!
I like your Indo-Pakistan war videos. Make more!
I intend to. We are a bit limited with DCS and the lack of propriate assets. I'll see if something can be done with War Thunder.
Do u wanna trigger india Pakistan war 🤣🤣
@@whysoserious7553 lol!
Interestingly this Su family was quite diverse and prolific
The fighter interceptor was actually the Su9 (not the7), with a wing plan similar to the Mig21 and later evolved in the Su15 and it's variants.
The Su7 evolved into the variable wing Su17 and later the Su 22..
True. In the Cold War period, the Sukhois were rather overshadowed by the MiGs but they deserve some attention.
It's anemic weapons load and fuel aside the pilots claimed it could take a lot of punishment ...many of them survived damages and brought back pilots that would not be possible with other planes
That's basically how you could sum up the Su-7.
Great to hear that an aircraft like the SU-7 was able to get a gun kill on a recon mission. Proves that it is the pilot and not the machine that makes a difference in the air. Situational awareness is key in the air - Dicta Boelcke.♠️🎩🎱🎯🇺🇲🏁🇺🇦🌻🔱🔱💮🌼🌼🌸👊🏴☠️
It sure is the key which can give you a huge advantage. Thanks for commenting!
Dicta Boelcke:
1. Try to secure advantages before attacking. If possible, keep the sun behind you.
2. Always carry through an attack when you have started it.
3. Fire only at close range, and only when your opponent is properly in your sights.
4. Always keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses.
5. In any form of attack it is essential to assail your enemy from behind.
6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try to evade his onslaught, but fly to meet it.
7. When over the enemy's lines never forget your own line of retreat.
8. For the Staffel (squadron): Attack on principle in groups of four or six. When the fight breaks up into a series of single combats, take care that several do not go for the same opponent.[6]
Machine can often make a much bigger difference pilot skill. Get real
@@ratagris21 bruv you sound like the world War German ace Erik Hartmann
@@guaporeturns9472 these days.... Yes!
With the advancements in stealth and radar tech.
Back then, USSR and USA were pretty neck to neck... It almost always came down to skill and strategy... More so on strategy.
Came from battle order. Good content.
Glad you liked it. Feel free to check out more.
Very good video. Never seen an su7.
Thank you for the feedback!
Indians never lie. If we lose something , we admit.
Oh that's a bold claim. Our leaders have lied a lot of times and various reasons.
Unlike west, we have real democratic values on both on Government and Society level.
I am not talking about fuc*ing politics
@@VDO_Abhishek_Beniwal No we don't, be in Congress of BJP, both parties have actively gone against such ideals. If we were infouencial like the west we too would be like them, same for everyone. Humans are the same.
@@Abdullah-mn6sw When I say "we", I say Hindus and affiliated sects.
I didn't include you.
You have Arabian name, Arabian religion and Arabian culture.
You don't represent the real India.
I hope you can relate 🙏🙏
@@VDO_Abhishek_Beniwal Oh sorry I forgot that Marathas trying to invade Bengal multiple times and killing innocents was a form democracy, or Marathas taking over Punjab which was ruled by Sikhs is democracy, or Rajputs fighting each other for northern India was democracy, or Marathas and Rajputs fighting alongside Mughals was democracy.
Excellent! Love the real life videos inserts, unfortunately the Su7 download is not available anymore.
Thanks for the feedback! Shame about the mod availability. It would be cool to have a high-fidelity module but a decent mod would be very welcome.
Came here because of Battle Order's shoutout on UA-cam
Thanks for commenting!
Battle Order sent me to watch this😂 great video my friend
Funny thing, four comments mention being sent by Battle Order. I'll start suspecting you guys are bots 😁
Wait, why the second mig19 didn't engaged the su7 after its wingman/leader was shot down?
Most likely, the Su-7 dove for the ground and the Pakistani leader couldn't spot it.
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Thank you for coming (and him for sending you)!
My wife sent me
That is definitely the first time I hear something like that 😁 Thanks for recommending the video and send my regards to your wife!
I love the look of the Sukhoi 7
It's not a bad looking plane.
🇮🇳 jai hind
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The " Actual Footage " is excellent for credibility issues.
Glad you think so, thanks! I use it when I can find it.
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I suck at provoking...
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Was it me or was that su-7 doing doughnuts ? 😂
It is possible 😁
I remember it from the Eighties as they served in our (then mighty) Czechoslovak Air Force
They were used a lot in Indo-Pak War 1971 and Arab-Israeli War 1973. I hope to cover that a little more in the future.
Came from battle order 😂 good video though
Thanks! Feel free to check out more stuff.
Battle order sent me 😂
Nice of him, I gotta thank him!
Where is the su7 for dcs available? Thank you.
I don't think it is anymore. It kinda works but there's something wrong with the textures since 2.7 update.
soviet weapons have allegedly performed badly through out the world..... except india
And also Viet Nam
Hey, have u heard about hf24's only air kill? It shot down a paf f86 in this war.
Too bad DCS doesn't have it in the game yet.
Yes. Unfortunately, it is not available in DCS. Or any other sim.
And Paf F86 shot down ...4 Indian Hawker Hunter
@@dominiqueroudier9401 cool
Da je imao duži domet i lakše sletanje bio bi dosta bolji, su 22 je pokušao da ispravi te greške. Inače, super video
Su-17/22 je dosta uspješniji. Imat ćemo ga jednog dana u DCS-u. Bilo je zanimljivih misija u Iraku recimo.
😏We won🇮🇳👉🏼
Goooooood video
I like 👍 it 👍
I am happy to hear it, thanks!
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make video on 26,27 feb 2019 indo pak war
I can understand if a fighter aircraft is shot down, but what were the accidents about?
What do you mean?
Love your video's
I'm glad to hear it.
where were these in 26 feb.
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Nice of you to come. Whatever your intentions might be 😁
How the hell did you get an Su 7 on DCS?!
It's an old mod which isn't available anymore, probably because the author didn't update it in a long time. There's something wrong with the textures since 2.7 but it still kinda works from some angles.
@@showtime112 Cheers. Looked OK to me (Beautiful jet)
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Can you make Honduras 100 hour war plsssss
In the future. We currently don't have the Corsair but it is under development.
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@@showtime112 Came here because of Battle order, will stay here for the quality content
Pakistan never used mig or sukhoi fighter jets of USSR or Russia. Pakistan used all American jets f86 sabre and f104 starfighter used in 1965 and 1971 wars
Yeah, this is called F-6 for export, J-6 for domestic use but it is really just MiG-19 and many serious historians and writers simply call it that way, even though it is Chinese built. Don't split hairs.
I somehow can’t click the patreon link
You mean, you can't make yourself do it or the link doesn't work? 🤣 If it's the latter, you can just go to www.patreon.com and search 'showtime112'. Thank you for considering becoming a supporter!
IS SUKHOI STILL MAKING FIGHTER JET RIGHT NOW?
Yes they are
TQ SIR@@showtime112
do u have video for j7 thunders ??
It made a brief appearance in the video about the famous MiG-21 vs F-16 issue but nothing else other than that. It wasn't used in combat much.
Or did you mean the Chinese copy of MiG-21?
@@showtime112 nah not talking about Indians i am talking about pakistan and china made jf17 thunders ok leave it make a documentry on last attacks.by pakistan and india and collect true information from.both side . And even evidence
@@showtime112 whatever brief it is i dont care but ur brief should know the otherside sayings also so u ll make it more correctly na 😇 mig 21s are known as flying coffins alot of indian pilots died by incidents in their own air space because of it .
I have subscribed ypu becaus u share good and little accurate video especially for pakistan and india ok so i want you to make it more peefect by knwoing the game from both sides truely . ✌️ Remember one thing these indians are not even truth speakers . They are loosers whatever they say they just say cant proove that . Forexample if a pakistani fighter jet shot to their craft they ll try to find that rocket shell and show it to media like we have shot pakistani fighters . So brother come out and be neutral
One pak soldier shoot down an indian fighters jet with. 303 rifle on 60 feet tall building rooftop from Dhaka.
disappointingly i think this is the only recorded air to air kill accorded to an IAF pilot that has been confirmed.
And Battle Order send me.
The kill is confirmed by the well respected Pakistani historian and retired Air Commodore, Kaiser Tufail. So, there's no doubt about it. Welcome to the channel, feel free to look around!
There are more, we fought Pakistan in skies in '65 and '71
why do indian pilots are winning most of the engagements even tho pakistani pilots are in better machines ?
Most of them don't know how to fly or use their aircraft in a combat fight.
I wouldn't say Indian pilots are winning most engagements. Especially not on this channel's videos, if that's what you mean. In this case, it was simply the fact that the Su-7 pilot was in a more favorable position and he spotted the enemy first. A bit of luck and audacity.
@@ratagris21 Um didn't Pakistani pilot shot down Israeli jets in 1967 war ?
and recently they also shot down a indian mig-21.
They have performed really well don't know why they were not able to do so in any indo-pak wars
@@povlife7024 Pakistan did quite well in the 1965 war with their Sabres. In 1971 however, I would say Indians performed a bit better.
@@povlife7024 maybe they uped their game after many looses.
Another excellent video and narration by Showtime 112. One thing however, @3:38 and @4:01 PAF MiG 19 / F-6 did not have arabic or Urdu numerals on the front fuselage.
True. I was aware if that but I didn't have any other silver skin other than the very specific one I used before. I tried not to show it too much.
@@showtime112 I figured it must have been limitation on the skin. Addicted to your videos!
Often forget Su-7
The Soviets offered both the MiG-21 and Su-7 to Pakistan in the late 1960's but the Pakistanis turned them down
I haven't heard about that. It doesn't seem like they could afford to turn that down.
Nope Pakistan was in US camp in cold war era and acquired military assistance and equipments from West
@@showtime112 "The MiG-21 is not regarded as a good weapon system by the PAF, which turned it down, together with the Su-7, when offered by the Soviet Union in 1968-9" - Air Enthusiast, May 1972
@@RehmanKhan-yl3op Pakistan received a number of Soviet systems following US embargoes in 1965 including T-54/T-55 tanks, P-35 radars, Mi-8 and (a single) Mi-6 helicopters. The Pakistan Navy was also offered Osa-class fast attack craft, the same type that India would later use to destroy multiple Pakistani warships and oil facilities at Karachi harbour.
@@slimkhalifadogg il-28
Hey will you make a video of Russian su-25 in Ukraine
Not sure about that. My current view is that I should wait until some serious analysis is made and that won't happen until the end of the war.
@@showtime112 true could you do video on ah -64 missions
For people who know about the India-Pakistan wars.....One Tu-126 AWACS was rumored to be in indian service in 1971, with a soviet crew......true, fake, posible???.......thanks for the information.
What I've "heard" is that the crew was Indian who spoke in Russian during comms to confuse Pakistanis in case the comms got compromised, because they needed to work alongside the 707 Sigint plane India had and Russians themselves didn’t have much idea about doing joint ops like that. India used the "Russian" trick other places too, mainly with the navy during Operation Trident.
@@dragonstormdipro1013 Thanks!!!!
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 Indians spoke Russian in 1971 war. In Operation trident by Indian navy 3 missile boats from Indian navy sank 1 destroyer, 1 minesweeper, 1 cargo ship, 1 destroyer badly damaged and then set Karachi on fire the thing is pakistanis didn't even know what hit them they thought it's was Indian airforce because these missiles boats were communicating in Russian. Most of the Indian communication is not in English or Hindi either Russian French spanish or any one of the 19,500 language spoken in India 🤣🤣🤣 no need to use code when u have 19500 languages 🤣🤣🤣
@@whysoserious7553 Hablaban español tambien?
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 yaa they speak Spanish too. Indian military officers are selected from NDA academy it's where officers graduate when joining NDA one foreign language must be selected like french spanish, German, russian, mandarin, sinhalese, Tibetan, Arabic, Japanese etc. NDA is 3 year military course the graduate will be appointed as lieutenant in Indian army
It's interesting how the UK left the subcontinent divided and how the NATO empire that superseded that empire now tries to keep it divided. War and bad blood between India and Pakistan, but also a complex diplomatic and economic situation between those two and Russia and China. I have noticed how if all four begin cooperating, the NATO empire tries to drive the wedges back in between them, e.g., the Imram Khan ousting in Pakistan -- who I remember visiting here in NZ for cricket matches and how he was one of the best, or US visits to the region trying to derail peace by getting countries to chose sides using the 'for us, or against us' tactic, etc. Peace Sells, But Who's Buying huh? (a song title)
I think if those wedges fail to prevent peace breaking out and strategic economic cooperation grows among those players, all four countries will prosper and move forward rapidly, because together they have all the human and material resources required to do it. Many countries will want to join them.
I am a NZ'er and of European descent, but I think this century is shaping up to be one for Asia and Eurasia. I see signs of the so called western world stagnating and even declining. I think Asia and Eurasia could boom and rapidly advance living standards and tech etc. It just needs peace, stability and fair cooperation. That requires earned trust and shared vision. I'd bet on it happening, because countries are asserting themselves and not being bossed to bend the knee to sole superpower Uncle Sam like they were in the 1990s etc. Asia doing well will be good for NZ too, because we sell lots to Asia, but not much to the USA.
Let's make sure the USA does not get its new cold war with the front lines in Asia like it wants. War is interesting, but I am not keen for it, or another cold war. I lived through the last one. Seeing the year 2000 seemed 50/50 at times. The Yanks won, so I think they must presume they can win another one. A high stakes gamble, not a sure thing or playbook for victory. Get it wrong and radioactive ashes will be the destiny of millions. They seem to thrive on chaos and conflict, although it is not doing their $33 trillion debt much good, plus they seem to be turning on each other over their own wedge issues that divide Americans. The best thing the rest of the world can do is just ignore them and get on with prospering together by bypassing the Yanks and all their economic roadblocks, CIA/State Dept meddling, media propaganda etc (yes, the Americans do propaganda and public opinion shaping domestically and globally -- and perhaps more than the rest of the world combined).
P.S. The Su-7 doing drifts on the ice. My millennial relatives would be very impressed if a Mazda RX7 did that, let alone a fighter jet. I always thought of the jet more as an interceptor, come fighter bomber in its revision. Great looking plane. I can not decide my favourite Soviet jet of that era. I like the lines of the MiG-19 too. Sure, this or that plane is better, but in the context of the time, they were not bad at all. The Soviet design bureaus had the TsAGI facilities expanded, so they could test designs and aerodynamic theory in supersonic wind tunnels etc. The research often bore fruit, e.g., the later Su-27 and MiG-29 airframes were astonishing for their time. -- I remember the amazement well. I am also always amazed at how the Soviets took an almost feudal Russia that was decades behind the west and was mostly illiterate peasant farmers, but turned that into a highly educated, fairly advanced superpower in a very short time. That is mind boggling levels of socioeconomic and technical advancement (there's good and bad in it and it ran out of steam for many reasons internal and external, but it's still impressive from a historical point of view that it occurred at all, e.g., periods where the growth rates were in the hundreds of percent, whereas now a few percent is considered fast).
BTW. I despise things about the US patrician class, i.e., things about the billionaires and hedge funders et cetera, but I have no problem with the average working American, apart from too many of them drink the Kool-Aid, which led to and still leads to their government causing many, many millions of deaths worldwide since WWII. I hope the Americans prevail that want the USA to be just another country, rather than this self appointed leader of the free world BS and the world's policeman etc.
US tax payers pay a lot of the cost of all that, but they do not see hardly any of the ROI on their investment. - Wall Street does, while the average US worker just gets a little trickle down if they are lucky. Sometimes they benefit economically though, but that is offset by high costs of living and declining real incomes etc. Some non-first-world countries are almost overtaking them, or have already. The USA is very uneven socioeconomically though. A huge gap between the millions of poor and the few super wealthy, while the so called middle class shrinks and edges closer to the living standards of America's poor. I spent two years in Michigan 2014-2016 and saw the Rust Belt and homeless etc. It shocked me. Parts of it looked just like the decrepit factories liquidated after 1991 in the former USSR. I'll never forget what I saw in Detroit. Miles and miles of urban and suburban decay, industrial ruins, and true poverty out in plain sight (poverty by any standard a few notches short of famine and war etc).
Woops. I wrote a little comment and just kept editing and adding more. It's something I think about at times. What kind of world the younger generations of my family will face. The same old, same old, but lots of different too. History does not repeat, but it does rhyme. I suspect AI and automation will transform the capitalist methods of production so much that it will transform society gradually over decades like steam power and electricity et cetera did to feudalism's age old systems of production and society during the Industrial Revolution. Something new taking shape. That could be a good thing, or it could be a terrible dystopia like the TV series The Expanse where there is very little work for folks stuck on Earth, so they live on rations pretty much. It could also be something in between those two poles. A lot depends on who owns the machines and the wealth they produce etc. They are the ones who will have the political power to shape what it all looks like and where it goes, because what is called democracy is really more akin to plutocracy and oligarchy. Okay, I am done. It's getting late. Cheers to anybody who read all this. Have a nice day whoever you are and wherever you are :).
Then there's Africa. The wealthiest continent perhaps, but also the poorest. Centuries of corrupt leaders installed by western colonial powers looted all that wealth and they still do even after supposed decolonization. Education, organization, genuine sovereignty over wealth and policy, true self determination, unity and solidarity among African nations, mutual cooperation and socioeconomic development to the benefit of Africans, not Wall Street, Paris and London etc. The recipe for Africa's success. Easier said than done, but Africans are more than capable of it if they all put their minds to it and refuse to be played by the former business suited looters.
Keep this up! It seems that Indian pilots do better than Pakistani ones. Is this true? If so, why?
Thanks! You can't really say that one side had much better pilots. I think they were comparable but it all depended on individual situations, initial advantage etc. Quite a lot of kills were scored by Pakistanis too. I am limited in what I can do here because of the lack of certain assets in DCS (such as types flown by Indians -Hunter, Gnat etc) and this might give a wrong impression.
@@showtime112 Pakistani pilots are usually slightly better in 1 to 1, but Indians have better co-ordination between different branches of the military. All in all, both sides are quite excellent and underrated as far as airforces go
The numbers of acs IAF has lost in each engagement both these sides have fought is much larger (nearly 2:1 ratio). I do not understand how you reached this conclusion. Is this because the number of videos on this channel are skewed towards documenting the times IAF got the better of PAF?
@@muneeb4006 , it is merely a perception. I point out that I asked if my perception was true. I am for or against neither side in this.
@@richardwolf8024 had the same conclusion aswell the IAF scored most of their kills while in ground attack role 11kills and 5 during air defense while PAF scored all their kills during air defense role.
On the contrary SU-7, was not a very effective fighter bomber. I experienced 1965 and 1971 war as a school going kid. SU-7 was used in 1971 War. In all parts of the country the SU-7 fought unsuccessful air combats and were seen going down like Mosquitos and little Birds falling from the wide Blue sky. One, was shot down where we lived, and it was down by a F-86 E.. SU-7 Pilot ejected and became a POW. Talking about this particular video,your commentary is incorrect, first hand information report on this incident was that this SU-7, after Recon mission was fleeing away, and while vanishing from the area, spotted two Mig-19's. Since SU-7 was coming from the recon mission, so its all electronics were open / operating and was intercepting the radio communication between the Mig-19s and their radar, during all this it took a pot shot on one of the MIg-19, who were not even aware of the SU-7 being in the area. Both Mig-19s were not vectored by the radar authorities and a lucky shot by the SU-7 hit the Mig-19. This is how it happened. To verify, read Air Marshal Ayaz Khan's article in the magazine called Airforce, September 2009. Same Squadron of Mig-19s, shot down 6 SU-7 and 2 Mig-21s during the War. But it is not to be mention, since this channel is supported by a special vested interest and a of group, who has been given this project to circulating incorrect information and lobbing a wrong kind of propaganda about the opponent air force. After all opponent Air Force gave hell to the enemy, not only in 1971 but also in 1965. in 1971, 102 fighter planes were lost by the enemy and shot down by the opponents and out of which, 25% of were shot down through the ground fire, rest were shot down in the air combat. SU-7, did not do well during the 1971 War. SU-7 were shot down by F-86-Es, Mig-19s, Mirage III and F-104. So, SU-7 did not do well against any of the opponent fighter planes. Enemy Mig-21 did better as compared to 1965 War in which they lost 14 Mig-21s on the tarmac in the famous and popular Pathankot air strike by the opponent F-86-Es. In the 1971 War, enemy lost 102 fighter planes and out of which 50% or more were SU-7s. Even in East Pakistan, SU-7s and Mig-21s were lost to the opponent F-86-Es.
Incorrect info.
can you please share the su-7 mod ?
I could upload it to my Google drive. Contact me on showtime112b@gmail.com. But it uses Su-25T cockpit and the textures are quite messed up since 2.7 (just to warn you).
@@showtime112 thanks....sent you a mail
@@showtime112 may be i can try to fix it
PAF shoot down many su7 during 1971 wa.
War history when PAF pilot MM Aalim shot down 5 IAF hunters with in two minutes..
No Hunters in DCS, maybe someday.
Hahahaha ppl still believe that shit!! He claimed to have shot down 5 but 2 has been confirmed!!! It was a moral booster for thr losing pakistani side!!
Battle order send me because the YT algorithm is a failure.
And now I'm sure you are a bot but who cares 😁
@@showtime112 I am not a bot hahaha. Why would you think that?
@@RK-cj4oc So many people mention being sent by Battle Order. Nothing similar has ever happened so it seemed a bit suspicious.
@@showtime112 He made a community post telling his viewers to check out your vids. We are not bots . Just his subs.
@@RK-cj4oc I see it now. Gotta thank the guy 😁
start working on your halloween special. fighters vs UFOs. peru su22 and iiaf f14 vs UFOs...for starters.
Perhaps. Don't know about ufo but maybe some mysterious disappearance or something like that.
@@showtime112 ok showtime, mh 370...you have 25 days left, but i know it will be good. if dcs has balloons which could work for the su 22 peru, then you're off to a good start. thanks.
It is interesting how Soviet love copying Western designed the Su7 copy from F 105 design.
I'm not sure if it was copied. Su-7 was first designed as a fighter but only later converted to a fighter-bomber (probably inspired by the F-105)
i ve done extensive research on indo pak wars of both 65 and 71 . . and confidently say that no Mig19 or F6 as called by pakistanis was lost to a SU7 during entire 71 war . . its seems to be a fiction or false claim . . . 🙂
This is confirmed by retired Air Commodore of Pakistani Air Force and a well respected aviation historian Kaiser Tufail. Why do you think he would make up something like that?
@@showtime112 . . Oops sorry . . If this victory is confirmed by Kaiser Tufail, in such case I withdraw my comments . . May be I ve missed this dogfight in my research work . .
@@iftikharfaridy2974 Against All Odds, an excellent book. The link is in video description.
All Pakistanis lives in life of lies and denial
@@showtime112 . . I ve read his air combat articles separately . . But not in bookish form ... That s why I may missed this SU vs Mig incident . . . Kaiser Tufail no doubt is the best historian from indo pak region . . 👍👍👍
i hope u ll find truth 😇 that ll amaze u
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That was quick!
@@showtime112 what can i say... A quality content like yours, and I'm in immediately
@@showtime112 I bet he hears that often from his wife too.
First? I guess
Actually, you are close second :)
@@showtime112 oh lol
Mianwali Not Risalewala
Kaiser Tufail says Risalewala. I suppose he has a good reason for it.
If I am not wrong u mostly show indian plane shooting down Pakistani plane. You seldom show Pakistani plane shooting down Indian Plane. If I am right then it is biasness on your part. If I am wrong then I apologize in advance
You are wrong, apology accepted 😁
Su7s were a headace for IAF. HUGE in size they were not manoverable. 48 out of 50 were lost in 71. IAF should be thankful to PAF for reducing if not elimlnating their prblem.
Delusional as usual,liar too
Bruv That's Only them , Remember the world's fastest ACE , Top Gun MM Alam , 1965.
Fake claim
Again you tend to show a very Indian perspective and show only Indian victories …how can you talk about info pak air air battles without taking about MMAlam ?
Only Indian victories? You have a strange definition of 'only' 😁 The Alam story is currently not doable because of available assets but it will be in the future.
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Lol
Friendly fire 🔥
Yeah, yeah. No such thing 😁
i dont know whos the video maker and everything but the thing i want to say if you come from.pakistani side (1965) air strikes,Dog fight and make proper documentry on it u ll be amazed . especially knowing about squadrn M.M ALAM. his record never been broken of killing indian jets in split of seconds 😇✌️😎 and that is also posted on google histry is available with proofs so u should come by pakistan side and make this video u ll realize the power of" " M.M ALAM"
Keep on the audio/visual propaganda; real outcome is SWIFT RETORT !
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Fake. SU 7 was a bomber not a fighter.
First of all, wrong. Su-7 was originally designed to be a fighter but later relegated to fighter-bomber role. But even if it wasn't so, yours would still be the lamest argument in the history of lame arguments.
There are so many successful kills of Indian jets by pak fighters planes during ndo-pak war but you never made pak success video, you are a biased person who has an obsession with indian admiration.
There are videos with Pakistani success, you just didn't bother looking for them. Instead, you watched two of them and assumed something. Your comment really speaks a lot about you.
Your comment literally exposes u r a typical frustrated Pakistani 😉😉😉
Awww don't cry 🌝🌚
Paid propaganda always quoting the Pakistani sources!!
Here's my message for all the people who are only interested in hearing how awesome their own nation is and how lame their enemies are: HIT THE ROAD JACK, AND DON'T YOU COME BACK NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE! 🤣🤣🤣
Ejazudheen Ejected 😅
Pakistanis never used soviet machines always used american machines..at that time american sabres...u said mig 19???
F6 or J6 is nothing but a copy of MIG-19 and many call it that way.