What do you think of the Russian Army's new main squeeze the AK-12? Good move for them to stick with the 5.45 while the US thinks about the larger 6.8 x51mm? Follow my Instagram: instagram.com/cappyarmy/
Why are you trying to give tips to a potential enemy? You should be talking about how they shouldn't have optics, since they worthless and complimenting them on their amazing tree branch camo.
yep as shown in this current war, the main army is largely still underequipped like they were back in Georgia with only the new green uniforms. so far all the T-14 armata, AK-12, GPS etc were all SF or just for show and limited in production and what few that did entered into battle are not so secret of special now given they would be captured and taken for study by enemy and foreign nations, what a waste
@@Taskandpurpose it's basically the civilian AK107 with the counteracting recoil system. Now that the AK107 in 5.45 did not get adopted by anyone, they converted it to .223 and are selling it to european civilians and competition shooters.
@@thekraken1173 you can. Just the laws, requirements and registration are crazy. I know a lot of IPSC competitors in germany, denmark and czech republic. Their laws put even Commiefornia to shame, but it was in fact there where it tried this new Kalashnikov SR-1. And a Saiga MKK sport, the newest 7.62x39 rifle Kalashnikov sells. With crazy plastic furniture, because apparently in europe wood makes it look like a military weapon. xD
How can I tell you. I served in the Soviet Army in 1991-1992. Then we all had an AK-74, chambered for 5.45x39. I will not say that this is just a super weapon, but with the tasks that were set to us, it coped very well, on a 10 point scale - 8 points. Professionals in the Russian army (I mean exactly army professionals, not special troops) never used optics unnecessarily. At a distance of up to 100 meters, the AK-47 works even without optics, and very decently (if you do not wear glasses with diopters). All other tasks were then solved with the standard army sight PSO-1, which, up to 250 meters, allowed 1 ruble to hit the coin (equal in diameter to the American silver dollar). Now the conditions of the battle, and the armor protection, and the tactics of the battle have changed very much, and therefore the weapon is changing. By the way, AK-12 and AK-74 differ roughly as SCAR from M4A1.
It's honestly kind of sad: shows that even with all the planning and expansion of the military budget, the people in charge still felt that the livelihood of the infantry is not worth the extra cost for even some cheap red dots.
Russian optics have been showing up on the civilian market The Russian army is buying optics the optics are getting diverted before they reach the troops
@@andreivaldez2929 I've seen it a lot - in hands of storm troops especially. Its a DPR forces lacks them, but there are still a lot of people buying and sending them voluntarily.
I stupidly sold my Romanian AK 74 in 2017. But with it's Russian Cobra red dot it matched my Bushmaster Patrolman with Eotec when it came to practical accuracy but with less felt recoil.
@@jeremypike9153 Good point there. But I forgot to add that I also sold 1760 rounds of ammo. My main motivation was I couldn't find a place nearby to shoot it. (Shooting into sandbags in basement wasn't that great.) But a year later I found a wooded area not a ten minute walk from my house to shoot that I still use today. But now it's too late.
That aged really bad. Russian army started using drones en-masse, and imroving day by day, while ukraine so called 'command' sending fresh conscripts from TD to certain death. Even western leaders do not speak of Ukrainian victory anymore. Its very sad. Maybe you should think what are you supporting.
While the video is generally stays true to the facts, it has many little inaccuracies I.e. Zlobin's AK-12 never had a quick chamge barrel, nor a "hyperburst" capability (and 900rpm is not a HYPERburst by any means). The 60-round magazines are 4-stack. Also, Kalashnikov concerh is mostly controlled by private investors, and ROSTEC only holds blocking share (25%+1 share) New chief designer who managed the "new" AK-12 is Sergey Urzhumtsev The competing design from Kovrov (the A-545 / 6P67) is completely missed in the story, which is directly related to the "unusual 2-round burst mode" (because military wanted a balanced action rifle, and requirements for the "Ratnik" trials were written accordingly) Some KM-AK videos are mixed into the lot at roughly 10:00 And while you are correct that optics is important. the key feature is that AK12 can mount ANY modern optics, domestic or imported, and while 1P87 red dot is current standard issue, there are a number of better sights (Night/IR, LPVO and red dots) in the works, which could be seamelessly integrated onto any AK-12 And no, Zlobin's AK-12 was NOT revolutionary at all. it was just a more "westernized" (think "cargo cult") version of the older system, but much more expensive and much less reliable than expected.
Just about to appreciate how finally there is someone who knows that Zlobin's AK-12 does not deserve such hype. Well take a look isn't that the legendary Maxim Popenker. Didn't expect to see you here Mr.Max :DD How's everything goes?
The fact that it can mount a variety of optics is a definite advantage. The question is do those optics maintain zero over time. Actually if you watched the video you would know that Task & Purpose consciously added those inaccuracies to see if anyone in Russia was paying attention.
@@jintsuubest9331 AN-94 had that, and that complex piece of shit never even saw the light of day. Burst fire is outdated and useless. The AK-12 also doesn't have a recoil mitigation system, as its almost always a complex and expensive system.
@@Taskandpurpose yep as shown in this current war, the main army is largely still underequipped like they were back in Georgia with only the new green uniforms. so far all the T-14 armata, AK-12, GPS etc were all SF or just for show and limited in production and what few that did entered into battle are not so secret of special now given they would be captured and taken for study by enemy and foreign nations, what a waste
That bit about where the war will be its a big mystery made me laugh but in a guilty sort of way, Which makes it that much funnier. The fact that might be a reality in our lifetimes is scary even if you are on the Russian side. Wars like that cause issues for everyone. Well all we can do is laugh for now so thanks for that.
Options include: 1. South China Sea/Taiwan 2. Ukraine 3. Iran 4. North Korea For added fun (carnage), add multiple scenarios happening together at once.
Ukraine, Serbia and you can roll a dice to decide how they are going to make a grab for a direct link up with Kaliningrad. It will all happen this winter.
I shot the g3, g36, c7 and a civil akm. In my opinion it's the optics what make the difference and not the gun. With a modern, well maintained rifle of any kind the limit is the shooter not the gun.
True but not true. Barrel design and ammo play a HUGE role in accuracy. However give the same gun to someone who has shot their whole life vs a newbie, and the experienced shooter will be more efficient almost every time.
I would thrust my life with those rifles but no with an American rifle that jams with a grain of dirt any pro knows any rifle is accurate at medium range but the russian weapons are something you can depend your life on that is the fuzz about this rifles.
@@anderssorenson9998 yeah especially comparing it to russian forces with picitanny rails on their service rifles most of the invading forces with optics seem to be chechens while on the other hand even foreign legion units in some parts of ukraine's military forces have modern optics
I'm surprised you didn't mention the AK-74m3, which is literally just an upgrade kit of the AK-74m, it brings it more or less to the level of the AK-12, which has apparently also been adopted. One was showing at 7:56, you can see the similarities, but the gas block is different.
@@dicecorporation AKs are named when their testing phase starts, 1946-47 for AK-46/47, 1974 for AK-74. Ak-46 didn't get much attention as it was quickly abandoned for the AK-47.
Actually, what i heard from a familiar military officer: Russian army generally do not consider personal weapons as a thing of the high importance. There are logistics, AA, artillery, armor, missiles etc that matters in the end, and modern assault rifles - well, it is nice to have some.
Small arms recieve small upgrades, hence why they usually get replaced decades after their intial introduction. This is also the reason behind "Modularity" being so important to MoDs around the world. Instead of buying a whole new rifle for little to no real benefit, just upgrade what you need at the moment. Optics, attachments, whatever....
Well it's not, as long as you have semi auto, optics, decent accuracy and not too jam prone you're fine. You can add a rail on the Garand and be a somewhat effective infantry force if we're really pushing
@@weasle2904 Yes, because their S-400 and S-500's aren't shit... grow a brain. They also have the biggest artillery force that I know of, especially in self propelled howitzers
@@Gabriel-yd4bq Outdated unguided artillery and air defenses do not win wars lol. You're bringing up irrelevant weapon systems, just like the AK-12 they do not win wars by themselves. Training, logistics, and tactics are all things the Russians are clearly behind in. The Russian military as a whole is lacking and fallen behind in various ways. Russia has weak logistics and resource production, and their military industry is barely comparable to NATO, which is far and above the most important to a military. The majority of troops are using outdated equipment as well. These problems are due to a low budget as well as a weak economy. Their training is also one of the most lackluster and non-thorough among world powers; their conscript force is extremely poorly trained, which is the majority of Russian troops. To touch on the S-400 system, they are mostly unproven and the only thing we know are Russia's claims (not to mention F-35 SEAD groups would be able to disable said system in contested air space). While yes Russia has a large amount of artillery (mostly attributed to the USSR), it doesn't make up for the rest of their small military and would STILL be outnumbered by NATO forces. On top of that unguided munitions are mostly irrelevant today with the advent of maximum accuracy guided munitions. In the modern day battlefield, dominant air forces supporting well trained armor divisions, all with strong logistical support, is what makes an effective military. This is something the Russians are undoubtedly skilled at, but would almost certainly be outdone by combined NATO forces either by superiority or by pure numbers. On top of that Russia's industry is not suited to support a large scale conflict in Europe if NATO gets involved. Russia today is not a significant threat to NATO, but it is definitely a threat to smaller neighbors to Russia, which are currently being invaded, bullied, and destabilized by the Russians in a small attempt for power and expansion.
8:27 I mean, using physical foliage from the surrounding environment it literally the best camouflage option there is. We do it in the British Army. Using the local foliage means you better obscure your silhouette and you ensure your colours match the surrounding terrain. Granted, we tend not to stick *as much* plant matter on ourselves as those Russians in that clip, that amount looks cumbersome and obstructive, but we do put foliage on our helmet netting, and tuck some into our webbing at the belt.
I don't care what you use so long as the enemy doesn't see you. If that means lipstick on a pig, so be it. One of the best means of camouflage is to stand perfectly, I mean perfectly, still.
@Joaquin Inouye Back when I was doing my phase one training we did a cam and concealment lesson (seven S's and all that) and we were then given two mins to find a place to hide out in a field. Our Section commander would try to find us after the time was up. The condition was we had to being pointing our rifles at him (unloaded, made safe, blank firing adaptors attached), so that we couldn't just hide out of view. I hid behind a small mound surrounded by what I think was wheat, tucked that into my helmet, found a nice comfortable position and hold so I could point my rifle at them (ensuring the BFA was hidden among the wheat since it's bright yellow), and stayed very still, but I let myself gently sway left and right a little with the wind like the wheat was because I was afraid that if I was the only thing not swaying among the patch of wheat it'd make me stand out. Managed to remain unspotted until our section commander gave up, but the swaying was probably unnecessary. xD
for clarification people might think why didnt they adapt just the modernization kit or ak 200 like most special forces units in mass ? answer is that the ak 12 was developed exactly to MOD requirments nothing more or less. EDIT . just for info evry ak 12 that gets delivered comes with a red dot sight , magnifier, flashlight , front grip , and supressor . the army recives the rifle in two packages one rifleman package and one full/ special forces package. the full package includes stuff like a laser and thermal sight etc
well it seems like a lot of soldiers aren't getting these packages very quickly. And I am very dubious that they will make suppressors standard issue in any practical capacity.
@@weasle2904 the optic 1p87 with magnifier 1p90 is standart and issiued to evry ak 12 series rifle or ak modernization kit , even with rail adapters for older rifles , the iron sights on ak 12 serve primarily a backupfunction and they were reduced in size in the last upgrade for the ak 12 to leave more railspace for this sight combo so they dont go over the lever section between the dust cover and handguard rail. the supressor is in the universal kit is an option , in the special forces kit standart ( these are basicly pre configurations the army ( or foregin customer ) aquries these rifles but the universal kit can be optionally issiued with more parts. for example technically the GP34 UBGL comes standart in the special forces kit but is optional in the standart kit. but you can be sure that a lot of rifles are ordered together with a GP34 due to the fairly high usage of UBGL in russian Infantry and the service lifetime of a lot of older UBGL is reaching its end ) though the rifles that the airborne troops ( wich are the first ones to get ) all should have supressors in them. due to the companys producing this stuff , the army having standartized muzzle devices for the new bajonet type attachment , its acctually fairly cheap to create such a kit and aquire it. there are still a lot of older rifles around that dont have such stuff standart , though they are actively modernizing the existing rifles and aquiring new ones as a complex. all other attachments i mentioned are regular issiue only the supressor is the part that is technically optional ( but in praxis currently they buying them together ). on a final note , just if somoen doesent see a red dot used during a blankfire exercise dosent mean the rifle wast issiued with one. same goes with supressors. no point in attaching a supressor for a daytime beach assault with blank cartridges as there is no need to unnessesariliy dirty the rifles and components ( and the extra weight ). there are enough people currently serving who uploaded pictures and stuff ( i am talking conscripts ) what they have in these bags.
"They scrapped it, and then they bought the whole company and redesigned the rifle for their needs." That's actually a pretty Chad move. Motherland gibbed.
Putin & Co know what oligarchs did with the Russia back in the 1990-2000 thats why he doesn't play their game, however you can still be oligarch like Abramovic is, but you must follow the new rules or you aint the oligarch any more, some of course didnt and now they can only cry on the msm how bad putin is.
@@altergreenhorn Well, yes, of course oligarchs and all that... After all, this is not a closed US military budget, where the taxpayer pays $ 1,000 for each paper clip. Corruption in its pure form as it is.
My only thing to add is about the NV optics being mounted to the weapon -- yes, their periphery will be inferior, however, they *may* be more accurate when firing the weapon since they won't have NODs hanging off their face and preventing them from maintaining proper marksmanship.
Also because if they are against another force with NV then they won't be able to use their IR lasers. So this might be a good simple solution vs what the americans are doing with their pip sight heads up display thing
IMO, mounting night vision on the rifle and not the helmet is superior. I think when people used NODS, the get a false sense of security of thinking they can see others but others can’t see them. By putting the night vision on the rifle, troops are reliant on natural night vision and get a more intuitive sense of if they are truly visible to others. Also, rifle mounted night vision will naturally make troops favor passive aiming, whereas NODS gets troops to naturally favor active aiming. I think, all things being equal, an army equipped with rifle mounted NV will outmaneuver NODS equipped armies.
Current AK-12 that is being procured for Russian military, at the heart is still the same tried-and-true AK-74. Bolt carrier and bolt are interchangeable with older AK-74 models for example. Essentially AK-12 is an AK-74 that had its exterior redesigned to employ the current trends such as free-floated handguard with pic rails, pic rails on the top cover, adjustable stock, ergonomic grip, magazine with windows. The rifle was designed to be able to readily accept the plethora of attachments that a soldier wants to put on. Tacticoolized if you will. It was the initial AK-12 project that existed between 2011 and 2015 that has super-low recoil and looked slightly different. But it was extremely rushed, HIGHLY unreliable and, what made it stillborn, needed a completely new production line for manufacture which would cost stupid money. Vlad Onokoy was involved in testing of that rifle and put around 14000 rounds through the prototypes. He wrote an article about it. Not sure if it exists in english language version. A small comment regarding accuracy of the rifles: Army version of AK-74M had to print a 15cm group at 100m with standard ball ammo when using stock iron sights. That amounts to around 5MOA. With an optic that group requirement is 8.5cm so under 3MOA. However the reality of combat is that infantry soldiers with assault rifles actually KILL one another mostly at ranges well below 200m. When Russians captured Georgian M-4s and compared them to service AK-74Ms, they found the accuracy to be pretty much lineball
Keep in mind those Georgian M4s was Bushmaster AR15 retooled and renamed to Bushmaster M4s, for training purposes. - Everything Georgians got was second hand equipment that was long outdated by that time and those M4s was of the worst quality provided. Colt M4s issued to Georgians never left Iraq. As in they got them issued there from US armory and they was turned in at their end of tour.
Открою наверное тайну, но захват западных винтовок никогда не было проблемой. И единственный пункт который уступал западным образцам это попадания с неустойчивых положений, то есть в эргономике. Всё остальное или равно, или лучше чем западные образцы очевидный плюс патрона 5,56 в начальной скорости, однако 5,45 переигрывает 5,56 на дистанции, так 5,45 теряет энергию медленнее чем 5,56. Let me tell you a secret, but capturing Western rifles has never been a problem. And the only point that was inferior to Western models is hitting from unstable positions, that is, in ergonomics. Everything else is either equal to or better than Western samples, an obvious plus of 5.56 cartridge in initial speed, but 5.45 outperforms 5.56 at a distance, so 5.45 loses energy more slowly than 5.56.
@@MarbleDuck Вообще изначально детали не на 100% взаимозаменяемы, но в новой генерации да совпадает в большинстве случаев. В первой генерации был изменен УСМ и добавлен новый режим огня с отсечкой в 2 патрона, из за чего взаимозаменяемость не была равна 100% In general, initially the parts are not 100% interchangeable, but in the new generation they are the same in most cases. In the first generation, the trigger was changed and a new fire mode was added with a cut-off of 2 rounds, due to which the interchangeability was not 100% P.S. Блять гугл ты заипал корявить смысл слов!
12:05 the ak12 is definitely NOT a huge game changer. In a conventional war (as opposed to Afghanistan style counter insurgency operations), the outcome is not meaningfully impacted by whether you have a picatinny rail and sub-MOA accuracy or not. In these cases the side with better logistics and fire support wins. Though to be fair, it's not like improvements to small arms are completely irrelevant. They matter, but are more of a bonus in my opinion rather than the highlight of a fighting force.
I'd say weapon optics capable of seeing human outlines, relaying targets to command, having good situational awareness, and technologies that allow it is paramount in the future war. Advancement in crew-served weapons and the technology to protect them using infantry is another.
@@paogene1288 as i said, improvements absolutely help but its not like the invasion of taiwan will succeed or fail solely on if china issues rifles with iron sights or eotechs.
Let me give you an inside information: Indian military went to Russia for replacing their INSAS rifles they tested Ak series, the Russians pressed on to favour ak12 but in over all cost comparison they desided to select ak203 instead to bet in ak12 although they bought small consiment of ak12 for its police commando units. In their assessment they found AK 12 comperative costly compared to ak203 and not much ground breaking or superior.
@@mmccarthy9458 I don't think it was a bad decision for India. considering the amount of military equipment they have to maintain, buying the aircraft with the lowest operating cost among the most modern fighters was the best choice
Ну если не считать того что в АК 12 кучность будет по лучше чем у предыдущих поколений, вообще-то неплохо купить и АК 203. Самое главное они выбрали ту модель которая им понравилась. Well, apart from the fact that in the AK 12 the accuracy will be better than in the previous generations, in general, it's not bad to buy the AK 203. Most importantly, they chose the model that they liked.
anybody messed with the amd 65 before? the first time I ever experienced a muzzle break that actually works. reduces the recoil to nearly a 22, gun comes with a folding stock and of course never jams. think it was Hungarian made this was the best ak in my opinion. throw on the drum and switch to full auto with a swist tie. did work back in the day
I haven't tried out an amd 65, but the break on your standard 74 makes the recoil next to nonexistent. It took me a few afternoons at the range to finally quit overcompensating with my recoil impulse.
Why change something when it works perfectly. You want optics? Add picannity rail. You want more reliability? Add a double piston system. Want to shoot further? Add a double piston system with a better buttock. No need to change the system in general.
A fix for the top cover not holding zero would be to get rid of the swing open design and instead have the cover interface with rails built into the receiver. It could slide on from the back and be locked in with the same pin hole.
Учитывая личный опыт использования АК-74М и АК-12, могу сказать, что АК-12 сделал небольшой прорыв в плане удобства. Особенно это сильно коснулось баланса оружия, автомат теперь не клюёт вперёд, как это было с 74М. Не приходится менять цевья, крышки ствольной коробки и так далее, чтобы что-то установить. Что касается прицелов, тактических рукояток, фонарей и так далее. Их военнослужащие вольны покупать и устанавливать самостоятельно, это не возбраняется. Штатный прицел ПК120 "Валдай" выдаётся только определённым военнослужащим, занимающих определённые должности. Это связанно с организационной штатной структурой Вооружённых Сил Российской Федерации. Поэтому редко где можно увидеть различные обвесы для автоматов. Их просто не выдают.
В целом стоит задача перевооружения армии на стрелковку в лице АК-12, на котором комплекс из валдаевских трубка+коллиматор. Понятно что в первую очередь это внедряют в частях контрактников. Но стоит задача полного перевооружения на всём армейском уровне, а не определённых военнослужащих. Иными инициативами глобальное государство не мыслит.
@@WegeroQ ну, на весь армейский уровень я бы наверное не разгонялся. Пока у нас есть призывная служба со срочниками из самых глубоких Усть-зажопинсков, никто повсеместно не будет внедрять такие достаточно хрупкие и дорогостоящие вещи, как коллиматорный/голографический прицел. Срочник же, если что-то не сломает, то точно "пролюбит". Разорится государство срочникам каждый призыв прицелы менять.
@@ЮрийОлейник-ы6н если по-чесноку, то срочникам для их задач, хватит и АК-74 , ну, максимум плюс подствольник, и то, в основном разведке и первому отделению первой роты.
Все правильно! Что касается штатного прицела "Валдай" и прочих оптических прицелов. Они и должны выдаваться специализированным подразделениям для специфичных задач. Вам зачем коллиматор в окопе? Чтобы что? По поводу работы внутри помещений - другое дело. Тоже самое с подствольным гранатометом внутри помещения - зачем он там? Учитывая Ваш личный опыт использования АК, с вероятностью 99%, Вы должны общаться с теми, кто из них стреляет. Пообщайтесь с ними еще раз.
My personal experience with my AK-12/19: I think it’s a cool rifle by aesthetic and design. It definitely influenced me to be interested in the AK platform. I’m quite surprised with the groupings I have out to 200 Yards. It wasn’t spread out, but it was consistent with irons only. And yes, hands down agreed the Russian optics aren’t that great.. However it’s aesthetically appealing. You may as well draw a dot and call it a day! I like the old 12 style stock more than the new ugg boot copy. You can have the cleaning kit stored in the Buttstock which is neat.
Where exactly did you get a current standard military-only rifle that's not allowed for civilian use, much less export? Did you get to shoot with someone at a range? That's not excatly YOURS now is it? Either that or I call BS
I like the new stock better, merely for aesthetic reasons. Old one looks like you sliced stock from M4 and glued it to an AK. New one is a lot more original
2 round burst wasn't random. It's one to chest and one to chest little higher. Oh and the fact the an94 was 2 burst fire which was designed around multiple hit accuracy and reduced recoil and the only way to do that is shoot 2 bullet at once because 3 is looking over their head that's what gives it the higher rate of fire in burst mode. It chambers a second round while the bolt is technically only half way through its recoil with a weird mechanism. I wish you did a little more research into previous weapons put through the Russian trails it would have been glaringly obvious why its 2 round burst. In all honesty this new ak 12 just sounds like "ay comrad I like an94 but is too expensive and unreliable. Oh I hav idea put an94 and ak74 togther we make great gun"
It's interesting that Russia tried to develop a multi-bullet per trigger pull and gave up because the US tried to do the same thing with project SPIW and gave up. They ended up getting the not ready for prime time, M-16.
@@fazole Russians didn't "give up" on burst because of US. Russians didn't manufacture AN-94 because it was HELLA expensive, HELLA hard to clear stoppages in battle, HELLA complicated in disassembly, maintenance and manufacture.
There's this guy named oxide who got his hands on one of these. The main issue came from the selector switch being horrible, it also doesnt have enough upgrades to warrant this and not just modernize the AK74M
Oxide is not as smart as he thinks he is, complaining about the ak selector being too tight when literally all you do is take it out and bend it slightly to make it as tight as you want. He should stay in his lane of BB WARZ bc he only has surface level knowledge and mostly just shoots armor with guns and ammo that other people provided for him
As when Homer Simpson won the contest "design your powerplant", His crudely created diorama being a model of the current plant, but with fins to lower wind resistance and a racing stripe. Mr. Burns loved it
I had AKS-47 as service weapon for a year and it was still rare that I landed all 3 shots to a target in burst mode, because that 3rd climbs way up, because of the recoil... Mayby thats why they whent with 2 shot burst mode.
I wish they were available on the US market. I don't own a 5.45, but I love my traditional 7.62 akm's, and I imagine an ak12 would be a joy to own too.
Given how much emphasis I would expect on backwards compatibility, I am surprised that it does not include a side rail to mount legacy optics. My assumption is that pic rails get in the way, but if they are not going to make the bolt compatible with the old AK-74, then they should have redesigned the bolt so that the rails can be mounted lower, so that the old optics can clear the pic rails.
The two round burst comes from the idea that a fast enough action can get both rounds out before the first bullets recoil is felt. Whether to improve armor penetration by stacking two hits on top of each other or to improve hit probability by increasing the amount of rounds fired. It's something the east and west have theorized and attempted to implement for decades
All in all it sounds like it's better than 3 round burst by it being more controllable and saving 1 more bullet every trigger pull vice the older 3 round burst which obviously doesn't have the benefits of single shot or fully auto.
Too bad that production model of AK-12 has the old slow rate of fire of 650rpm, which makes burst mode useless as you can easily cut those two round bursts by yourself after a bit of training
3 round burst also also suffers in that it's often out of rhythm with fast repeated trigger pulls. 2 round burst is imagine is alot easy to stay in rhythm.
@@cm-pr2ys 2 round burst has it's roots all the way back to original AK, which proved to be somewhat of an arse for the average individual who gets the issue (We talk about agricultural country who got smashed with WW1, got civil war, de-facto struggled in it well in the 30s, had a lot of sanctions slapped on it (As well as overseas assets "Not stolen, just waiting for the legit owners" withheld) and then pulled into WW2 the hard way. As a result, rather choppy industrialization and a lot of conscripts still being peasants or low qualification worker with intellect of a brick). Typical rookie was either sitting on semi-auto or produced 5-6 round bursts (If you actually pull the trigger on original in full auto, you'll understand). This is something brass didn't like, so average rookie conscript was taught to use mostly two positions (Safe and full auto), yet fire with the light tap, shooting 1-2 rounds at a time, with a second follow-up burst at the target to more or less ensure the mission kill. This quickly evolved in "Two by two" and then engineers had their faces shoved in this "two by two" any time they had to contact the brass for technical tasks. So, the "Abakan" competition (Which gave the world AN-94) wasn't really all that unique in it's 2 round burst requirement, it's simply one time when brass was able to cut through the red tape and no-sell the party meddling in brass affairs.
If the 2 round burst is anything like that on the AN-94, it'll fire those 2 rounds faster than an MG3 and will essentially see both bullets hit the same place. I think this has something to do with countering armoured enemies.
The more I learn about other military powers, the more grateful I am for the fact that we get a red dot as standard issue. The amount of soldiers still using iron sights blows my mind.
I’ve really come to love this site. At first I was put off a bit because CAP IS NOT FUNNY. But I realized he is doing Dad humor. I could relate. So I’ve focused on the content. It’s very good and informative. Thank you for doing what you are doing.
High cyclic rate 2 round burst is optimal for close range fighting. It doubles the hits without sacrificing accuracy and you still get 15 pulls of the trigger.
The A-545 which is based on AEK-971 by Kovrov has much more new features than current AK-12. I personally think this rifle needs to be adopted in mass instead of the AK. But I guess the AK is more iconic and judging on how "special" the Kalashnikov Group is treated now by Russian government compared to Degtyaryev plant that produces the A-545, it's kinda sad.
I’m sure there are comments lower down already, but… WOW! Who would’ve guessed you could tell the future based on the first 40ish seconds of the video!!!
some airsoft companies made short series first gen ak12 before actual sample shown up. now counted as cool collectible thing. and actual ak12 buttstock is great. have it on 4 of 5 my personal guns. even one on mossberg 500!:D
Hey, I enjoy your gear reviews gorgoth. I'm guessing you're talking about the old buffer tube style ak-12 stock not the new 2020 one? Have you operated that one yet, it seems like they have copied the mapgul zhukov-s design
Great, im glad you like my vids. Yeah, im taking about pre 2020 version stock. I had 2020 version too. Even used on 12 gauge saiga. Its like meh Not bad, But older one i like way more. Especially when i customly adapted it to armacon Adapter with raised line, and it become non folding. If you check my last pso vid, you could probably see what i mean
You say most of the Russian soldiers doesn't have holographic scopes, huh? Man, I used to serve in Russian army until the last month, and we didn't even have kevlar helmets and wore good old SSh-68. And only few companies in our brigade have ak-74m instead of regular ak-74.
Yep. The 1P90, with the model's markings clearly visible in the video, is ONLY a magnifier and has no NV capability. The 1PN138 is a Gen III magnifier meant for use with the AK-12, but I doubt that Russia will issue more than a couple of these per rifle squad do to budget constraints. Russia also developed the 1K241 rail mounted laser designator. These will likely only go to the squad leader and senior rifleman at best and if at all.
On my point of view, without any personal experiences with AK, I love these new AK models. It's a real true modernization of the the assault rifles. Even if for me the best option remains probably the AK-19 which can use Nato ammunition I am not agreed at all with the rumors explainig that the AK-12 is only an updated version of the old AK-M. The system is similar yes but the gun has been reviewed entirely. If this information was correct we should explain why, as example, a Mk18 is not considered as a new version of the old M16 used during the Vietnam war. On the west side we consider that the origin of a M4 is the M16 ... derivative of the AR15...and that the MK18 is an AR 15 platform but a new gun... Why we couldn't consider the AK-12 and Ak-19 like new guns based on a AK platform. For me it's not only an updated version of the AK ...it's a new weapon.
The AK-12 is when some rich guys laugh at your outdated truck, so you make this very cool sounding truck but it falls apart so you go back to your original truck but give it better parts and a nice coat of paint to it.
Well. The AK-74's aren't going to last forever and will eventually need to be replaced. Why not use the gradual phasing out of the older designs to implement the newer design?
Because then everybody has to be trained in both and you have to manage parts inventories and logistics for both. The other reason is a new design for small arms isn't really that important to the effectiveness of the military overall.
In tests I did myself with M16A1 with 2 and 3 round magazine loads at 30 feet the first two shots were center of aim point while the third one always was high by up to 5 to 6 inches. With the AK-12 burst rate of the original test weapons it was almost a one-hole group at similar ranges. The production version not sure on rate of fire in the bust mode but compared to three shot burst less chance of off target rounds even in close house fights. Good choice on Developer's part.
@@jaxrammus9165 I used to demonstrate 3 round burst to my trainees at Benning. First round, center mass. Second, about 5 inches off. Third, grazed the outer edge. The M-16/M-4 doesn’t have the cyclic timing to bullet exit ratio to create tight burst shots like the Russian rifle does. So now your ass knows.
Even without optics moving the rear leaf sight to the back of the dust cover from the trunnion increases the sight radius. this alone would make the AK-12 more accurate than its predecessors if the new pinned dust cover's is repeatable and constant. Not sure how reliable any rail on the hand guard is but the improved butt stock is also a plus. Given the legendary reliability of the AK rifles these minor modernization tweaks may just be a winner.
I'm not super familiar with the AK platform, but isn't the rear sight in front of the dust cover? Moving the rear sight and/or optic to the rear now puts it on the moving dust cover. I am sure the designers have designed some lockup system to combat this, but I'd be a little concerned with the new sight system holding zero after the dust cover is manipulated a few times. But, like I said, I'm not familiar with this platform so I could be way off.
Not sure what you mean by, "the AK did not have optics", but I served in the mid 80's, does not matter where, and we had nightvision scope for the AK. It was quite big, compared to modern nightvision gear, but it was permanently fixed to the top metal cover thing. All you need to do is push the button on the back, and take off the top cover. Then you could click on the nightvision scope with its own fixed top cover. You could do this in a couple of seconds. Not sure if I explain this right, I'm not sure what that top metal cover is called in english. But you basically had 2 of them, one with the scope mounted, and one with nothing for during the day. And you could switch between the 2 as and when needed, within seconds. Can't remember what the scope was called, my brain is awol, but it had like rubber thing that only opens when you put your eye to it. You could only open it in the dark, or something inside would burn out. It might not have been as tough as modern nightvision, but it was amazingly good. You could literally see everything, even with no moon in pitch black night. Everything was green, but still you could see everything. So not sure how common it was, but the AK47 definitely did have at least some optics. It just did not use the picatinny rail.
While I have always felt that you applied humour evenly to both the daft aspects US and none US military weapons development, I just wanted to say that I appriciate that after listening to feed back, your still applying humour but being more obvious in including how the American military do exactly the same idiot things as whatever country your discussing. Shows you respect your audience. Good job.
Or they just making supply work in the night, or making their soldiers to have a rest, bacause I don't think that it's right decision to have a battle in the night, while you are trying to avoid civilian deaths.
The Galil ACE can do whatever AK 12 will do. -rails for attachments -last round bolt hold open -adjustable stock -closed dust cover over ejection port -ambidextrous magazine release and selector lever
Any thoughts about sticking with the .545 instead of heading to something like the 6.8mm the US might be planning (I say might until one of the designs actually gets adopted).
Huge stockpiles of 5.45 and it works. They work on a pretty small budget compared to the US and tanks and planes are probably more important than a new gun. The comfort of the common infantry grunt is not really a priority in Russia.
@@sebastianriemer1777 The point is that we are replacing .556 due to body armor. If Russia is fighting troops in NATO with Body Armor, then it has the same problem.
@@HanSolo__ So, why introduce a new .545 if you are going to switch back to 7.62x39. I am not sure that cartridge is good enough at this point versus body armor with ceramic plates.
They are using a 3 caliber system, 5.45 for light infantry, 7.62x39 for engagement with body armor similar to 6.8mm, 7.62x54R for battle rifle, sniper and MGs like our .308), and it works. Americans is the odd one who is always trying to consolidate everything into one caliber, but assault and battle rifle is at least for now serving two different purposes
What do you think of the Russian Army's new main squeeze the AK-12? Good move for them to stick with the 5.45 while the US thinks about the larger 6.8 x51mm?
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Why are you trying to give tips to a potential enemy? You should be talking about how they shouldn't have optics, since they worthless and complimenting them on their amazing tree branch camo.
@@stevenkent5351 the old misdirect the Russians will never see it coming !
Caliber choice is irrelevant when your military might is better spent on Twitter actually fighting modern warfare 😅
Shows 220kmh on a speedometer when he says mph 😂😂
@@Taskandpurpose lol fair enough
"I wonder where the next war might be..." yeah, history just proved you right in a sad way.
yep as shown in this current war, the main army is largely still underequipped like they were back in Georgia with only the new green uniforms. so far all the T-14 armata, AK-12, GPS etc were all SF or just for show and limited in production and what few that did entered into battle are not so secret of special now given they would be captured and taken for study by enemy and foreign nations, what a waste
Everyone knew it was coming, Biden is just a giant wuss putin knew he could get away with it, and he was right.
@@mattpkp How can you say he's getting away with it
@@mattpkp Trump would have sent Putin help.
@@gs6810 Trump was a Russian stooge.
I cannot speak about the real AK12, but the Kalashnikov SR-1 i tried is hella dope.
The counter acting recoil system makes .223 feel like .22lr
That’s shweet as, The AK12 doesn’t have counter recoil system but that sounds dope , similar to the AEK 971 I’m guessing
I think the A545 is the one we all expected of the AK12 instead of this AK74M attempt 2.
@@Taskandpurpose it's basically the civilian AK107 with the counteracting recoil system. Now that the AK107 in 5.45 did not get adopted by anyone, they converted it to .223 and are selling it to european civilians and competition shooters.
@@texasranger24 You can’t own semi auto rifles like sr1 in most European countries though :(
@@thekraken1173 you can. Just the laws, requirements and registration are crazy. I know a lot of IPSC competitors in germany, denmark and czech republic. Their laws put even Commiefornia to shame, but it was in fact there where it tried this new Kalashnikov SR-1. And a Saiga MKK sport, the newest 7.62x39 rifle Kalashnikov sells. With crazy plastic furniture, because apparently in europe wood makes it look like a military weapon. xD
I love how ubiquitous the AK12 prototype is in video games and the actual thing when it was finalised just looks like a regular AK
How can I tell you. I served in the Soviet Army in 1991-1992. Then we all had an AK-74, chambered for 5.45x39. I will not say that this is just a super weapon, but with the tasks that were set to us, it coped very well, on a 10 point scale - 8 points. Professionals in the Russian army (I mean exactly army professionals, not special troops) never used optics unnecessarily. At a distance of up to 100 meters, the AK-47 works even without optics, and very decently (if you do not wear glasses with diopters). All other tasks were then solved with the standard army sight PSO-1, which, up to 250 meters, allowed 1 ruble to hit the coin (equal in diameter to the American silver dollar). Now the conditions of the battle, and the armor protection, and the tactics of the battle have changed very much, and therefore the weapon is changing. By the way, AK-12 and AK-74 differ roughly as SCAR from M4A1.
Comrade
soviet bullshit
Thanks for the insight
@@johnsmith-hw5bv Any weapon will be shit with hands growing out of their ass
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Funny now that we're seeing a few AK-12s in Ukraine and none of them have optics!
It's honestly kind of sad: shows that even with all the planning and expansion of the military budget, the people in charge still felt that the livelihood of the infantry is not worth the extra cost for even some cheap red dots.
Russian optics have been showing up on the civilian market
The Russian army is buying optics the optics are getting diverted before they reach the troops
@@andreivaldez2929 I've seen it a lot - in hands of storm troops especially. Its a DPR forces lacks them, but there are still a lot of people buying and sending them voluntarily.
@@redsun9261 you`re talking about those who gather like a dollar per week?)
@@andreivaldez2929 Not to mention how much of the money gets stolen by generals and defense officials.
Just finished basic training, been waiting couple weeks to watch this video. I will take a look at Russia's new thermal optic when possible.
Plot twist: US Military Adopts the AK-12 to confuse the Russians.
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Please don't lmao this is not fair. AK is like a friendly fire beacon for us.
I stupidly sold my Romanian AK 74 in 2017. But with it's Russian Cobra red dot it matched my Bushmaster Patrolman with Eotec when it came to practical accuracy but with less felt recoil.
I traded mine off after the ban on ammo importation this year. I loved the rifle but a rifle with no ammo is no rifle.
@@jeremypike9153 Good point there. But I forgot to add that I also sold 1760 rounds of ammo. My main motivation was I couldn't find a place nearby to shoot it. (Shooting into sandbags in basement wasn't that great.) But a year later I found a wooded area not a ten minute walk from my house to shoot that I still use today. But now it's too late.
@@jeremypike9153 I am sorry for your loss :(
"Maybe the troops on the front lines will get the scopes." Meanwhile Putin's war proves the frontline troops don't even get food.
Maybe they ate the scopes?
@@EMesch or sold them for food?
Scopes are expensive and can be resold for a high price, so they never made it to the troops
That aged really bad. Russian army started using drones en-masse, and imroving day by day, while ukraine so called 'command' sending fresh conscripts from TD to certain death. Even western leaders do not speak of Ukrainian victory anymore.
Its very sad. Maybe you should think what are you supporting.
your mom told you that?
While the video is generally stays true to the facts, it has many little inaccuracies
I.e. Zlobin's AK-12 never had a quick chamge barrel, nor a "hyperburst" capability (and 900rpm is not a HYPERburst by any means). The 60-round magazines are 4-stack.
Also, Kalashnikov concerh is mostly controlled by private investors, and ROSTEC only holds blocking share (25%+1 share)
New chief designer who managed the "new" AK-12 is Sergey Urzhumtsev
The competing design from Kovrov (the A-545 / 6P67) is completely missed in the story, which is directly related to the "unusual 2-round burst mode" (because military wanted a balanced action rifle, and requirements for the "Ratnik" trials were written accordingly)
Some KM-AK videos are mixed into the lot at roughly 10:00
And while you are correct that optics is important. the key feature is that AK12 can mount ANY modern optics, domestic or imported, and while 1P87 red dot is current standard issue, there are a number of better sights (Night/IR, LPVO and red dots) in the works, which could be seamelessly integrated onto any AK-12
And no, Zlobin's AK-12 was NOT revolutionary at all. it was just a more "westernized" (think "cargo cult") version of the older system, but much more expensive and much less reliable than expected.
The man, the legend himself. Thank you for the information.
thank you for the added insight it is greatly appreciated! I always welcome smart constructive feedback like this, thanks Max.
Just about to appreciate how finally there is someone who knows that Zlobin's AK-12 does not deserve such hype. Well take a look isn't that the legendary Maxim Popenker. Didn't expect to see you here Mr.Max :DD
How's everything goes?
The fact that it can mount a variety of optics is a definite advantage. The question is do those optics maintain zero over time. Actually if you watched the video you would know that Task & Purpose consciously added those inaccuracies to see if anyone in Russia was paying attention.
Now I know what is a cargo cult!
A big problem with the AK-12 from Russian field testing was that the burst fire option made it harder to switch from semi to full auto easily.
I cannot understand why they included burst. Literally everyone else has tried it and moved on.
idk why biden is still president
@@m1a1abrams3
*Cause Xi JingPing said so duh*
@@skepticalbadger
It originally has the experimental recoil mitigation system. Which would make the burst mode quite useful.
@@jintsuubest9331 AN-94 had that, and that complex piece of shit never even saw the light of day. Burst fire is outdated and useless. The AK-12 also doesn't have a recoil mitigation system, as its almost always a complex and expensive system.
0:15 Aged like fine wine.
Russia was full of shit they didnt implement any of Ratnik to regular forces just SF
@@Taskandpurpose yep as shown in this current war, the main army is largely still underequipped like they were back in Georgia with only the new green uniforms. so far all the T-14 armata, AK-12, GPS etc were all SF or just for show and limited in production and what few that did entered into battle are not so secret of special now given they would be captured and taken for study by enemy and foreign nations, what a waste
@@Taskandpurpose Hey don't be unfair, a lot of the surrending undertrained conscripts had nice new sharp looking cammies and AK12 with iron sights.
@@Taskandpurpose guess they really were hoping for that Cold War show down with America.
That bit about where the war will be its a big mystery made me laugh but in a guilty sort of way, Which makes it that much funnier. The fact that might be a reality in our lifetimes is scary even if you are on the Russian side. Wars like that cause issues for everyone. Well all we can do is laugh for now so thanks for that.
Options include:
1. South China Sea/Taiwan
2. Ukraine
3. Iran
4. North Korea
For added fun (carnage), add multiple scenarios happening together at once.
@@SergeantKillGore forgot India and China border disputes...
Or Pakistan...
maybe worry about where the usa plans to attack next
It will be in Israel.
Ukraine, Serbia and you can roll a dice to decide how they are going to make a grab for a direct link up with Kaliningrad. It will all happen this winter.
I shot the g3, g36, c7 and a civil akm. In my opinion it's the optics what make the difference and not the gun. With a modern, well maintained rifle of any kind the limit is the shooter not the gun.
True but not true. Barrel design and ammo play a HUGE role in accuracy. However give the same gun to someone who has shot their whole life vs a newbie, and the experienced shooter will be more efficient almost every time.
@@KJTUSKJTUS That’s why we need to encourage the gun culture in the United States
@@dangerousfreedom4965 gun culture needs to be desperately revived if anything just to keep the fundamental values and ideas of america alive
I would thrust my life with those rifles but no with an American rifle that jams with a grain of dirt any pro knows any rifle is accurate at medium range but the russian weapons are something you can depend your life on that is the fuzz about this rifles.
@Trelleborg the og m1 can also be worked fairly hard and still shoot, it's the 5.56 m4 variants that seem to be the Problematic child
*_Spoilers everyone, Russia still mainly use Ak-74 and the the people who have Ak-12 have no optics and the selector fire keeps breaking._*
@Andrew h1213 A lot Ukrainian M4s appear to have some type of optic based on footage from Ukraine.
@@anderssorenson9998 yeah especially comparing it to russian forces with picitanny rails on their service rifles most of the invading forces with optics seem to be chechens while on the other hand even foreign legion units in some parts of ukraine's military forces have modern optics
Marie your left the kitchen again, wtf?
@@medved4030 It's you not your.
I read a comment saying the ak12 with no optic is no different than an su30 with just dumb bombs
I'm surprised you didn't mention the AK-74m3, which is literally just an upgrade kit of the AK-74m, it brings it more or less to the level of the AK-12, which has apparently also been adopted. One was showing at 7:56, you can see the similarities, but the gas block is different.
Task and Purpose response you at 3:55
Because this guy thinks the Ak-74m was made in 1974. That was literally his opening statement in the beginning of the video lol
@@dicecorporation AKs are named when their testing phase starts, 1946-47 for AK-46/47, 1974 for AK-74. Ak-46 didn't get much attention as it was quickly abandoned for the AK-47.
@@ctdesing No sh*t sherlock
@@ctdesing damn how did I not notice this. My dumbass thought the 74 was just 47 flipped to show it's newer or different like on the SU-57 and SU-75
Actually, what i heard from a familiar military officer: Russian army generally do not consider personal weapons as a thing of the high importance. There are logistics, AA, artillery, armor, missiles etc that matters in the end, and modern assault rifles - well, it is nice to have some.
Better logistics, training and tactics matter more than having moderately better gear.
Small arms recieve small upgrades, hence why they usually get replaced decades after their intial introduction. This is also the reason behind "Modularity" being so important to MoDs around the world. Instead of buying a whole new rifle for little to no real benefit, just upgrade what you need at the moment. Optics, attachments, whatever....
Well it's not, as long as you have semi auto, optics, decent accuracy and not too jam prone you're fine. You can add a rail on the Garand and be a somewhat effective infantry force if we're really pushing
@@weasle2904 Yes, because their S-400 and S-500's aren't shit... grow a brain. They also have the biggest artillery force that I know of, especially in self propelled howitzers
@@Gabriel-yd4bq Outdated unguided artillery and air defenses do not win wars lol. You're bringing up irrelevant weapon systems, just like the AK-12 they do not win wars by themselves. Training, logistics, and tactics are all things the Russians are clearly behind in. The Russian military as a whole is lacking and fallen behind in various ways.
Russia has weak logistics and resource production, and their military industry is barely comparable to NATO, which is far and above the most important to a military. The majority of troops are using outdated equipment as well. These problems are due to a low budget as well as a weak economy. Their training is also one of the most lackluster and non-thorough among world powers; their conscript force is extremely poorly trained, which is the majority of Russian troops.
To touch on the S-400 system, they are mostly unproven and the only thing we know are Russia's claims (not to mention F-35 SEAD groups would be able to disable said system in contested air space). While yes Russia has a large amount of artillery (mostly attributed to the USSR), it doesn't make up for the rest of their small military and would STILL be outnumbered by NATO forces. On top of that unguided munitions are mostly irrelevant today with the advent of maximum accuracy guided munitions. In the modern day battlefield, dominant air forces supporting well trained armor divisions, all with strong logistical support, is what makes an effective military. This is something the Russians are undoubtedly skilled at, but would almost certainly be outdone by combined NATO forces either by superiority or by pure numbers. On top of that Russia's industry is not suited to support a large scale conflict in Europe if NATO gets involved. Russia today is not a significant threat to NATO, but it is definitely a threat to smaller neighbors to Russia, which are currently being invaded, bullied, and destabilized by the Russians in a small attempt for power and expansion.
8:27 I mean, using physical foliage from the surrounding environment it literally the best camouflage option there is. We do it in the British Army. Using the local foliage means you better obscure your silhouette and you ensure your colours match the surrounding terrain. Granted, we tend not to stick *as much* plant matter on ourselves as those Russians in that clip, that amount looks cumbersome and obstructive, but we do put foliage on our helmet netting, and tuck some into our webbing at the belt.
Someone told that guy to "Make like a tree and leave". I guess something got lost in translation.
Yeah you right...you want be using 80 90% natural camouflage and change it to match your surroundings as you move often etc
Sometimes less is more.
I don't care what you use so long as the enemy doesn't see you. If that means lipstick on a pig, so be it. One of the best means of camouflage is to stand perfectly, I mean perfectly, still.
@Joaquin Inouye
Back when I was doing my phase one training we did a cam and concealment lesson (seven S's and all that) and we were then given two mins to find a place to hide out in a field. Our Section commander would try to find us after the time was up. The condition was we had to being pointing our rifles at him (unloaded, made safe, blank firing adaptors attached), so that we couldn't just hide out of view.
I hid behind a small mound surrounded by what I think was wheat, tucked that into my helmet, found a nice comfortable position and hold so I could point my rifle at them (ensuring the BFA was hidden among the wheat since it's bright yellow), and stayed very still, but I let myself gently sway left and right a little with the wind like the wheat was because I was afraid that if I was the only thing not swaying among the patch of wheat it'd make me stand out. Managed to remain unspotted until our section commander gave up, but the swaying was probably unnecessary. xD
for clarification people might think why didnt they adapt just the modernization kit or ak 200 like most special forces units in mass ? answer is that the ak 12 was developed exactly to MOD requirments nothing more or less. EDIT . just for info evry ak 12 that gets delivered comes with a red dot sight , magnifier, flashlight , front grip , and supressor . the army recives the rifle in two packages one rifleman package and one full/ special forces package. the full package includes stuff like a laser and thermal sight etc
Source ?
@@laowu8024 That might be just knowledge from the line and not some publication.
well it seems like a lot of soldiers aren't getting these packages very quickly. And I am very dubious that they will make suppressors standard issue in any practical capacity.
@@weasle2904 the optic 1p87 with magnifier 1p90 is standart and issiued to evry ak 12 series rifle or ak modernization kit , even with rail adapters for older rifles , the iron sights on ak 12 serve primarily a backupfunction and they were reduced in size in the last upgrade for the ak 12 to leave more railspace for this sight combo so they dont go over the lever section between the dust cover and handguard rail. the supressor is in the universal kit is an option , in the special forces kit standart ( these are basicly pre configurations the army ( or foregin customer ) aquries these rifles but the universal kit can be optionally issiued with more parts. for example technically the GP34 UBGL comes standart in the special forces kit but is optional in the standart kit. but you can be sure that a lot of rifles are ordered together with a GP34 due to the fairly high usage of UBGL in russian Infantry and the service lifetime of a lot of older UBGL is reaching its end ) though the rifles that the airborne troops ( wich are the first ones to get ) all should have supressors in them. due to the companys producing this stuff , the army having standartized muzzle devices for the new bajonet type attachment , its acctually fairly cheap to create such a kit and aquire it. there are still a lot of older rifles around that dont have such stuff standart , though they are actively modernizing the existing rifles and aquiring new ones as a complex. all other attachments i mentioned are regular issiue only the supressor is the part that is technically optional ( but in praxis currently they buying them together ). on a final note , just if somoen doesent see a red dot used during a blankfire exercise dosent mean the rifle wast issiued with one. same goes with supressors. no point in attaching a supressor for a daytime beach assault with blank cartridges as there is no need to unnessesariliy dirty the rifles and components ( and the extra weight ). there are enough people currently serving who uploaded pictures and stuff ( i am talking conscripts ) what they have in these bags.
@@старшийсержант-л7ш It is not issued like that...
"They scrapped it, and then they bought the whole company and redesigned the rifle for their needs."
That's actually a pretty Chad move. Motherland gibbed.
they don't mess around haha sometimes you just gotta take full and complete control of everything....always
Putin & Co know what oligarchs did with the Russia back in the 1990-2000 thats why he doesn't play their game, however you can still be oligarch like Abramovic is, but you must follow the new rules or you aint the oligarch any more, some of course didnt and now they can only cry on the msm how bad putin is.
In soviet russia, ak design you.
@@altergreenhorn Putin and Co ARE the oligarchs.
@@altergreenhorn Well, yes, of course oligarchs and all that... After all, this is not a closed US military budget, where the taxpayer pays $ 1,000 for each paper clip. Corruption in its pure form as it is.
The invasion prediction from 11:55 aged like fine wine.
I wonder if Russia managed to finish the Ratnik program then? This is the perfect time to field test such a system.
My only thing to add is about the NV optics being mounted to the weapon -- yes, their periphery will be inferior, however, they *may* be more accurate when firing the weapon since they won't have NODs hanging off their face and preventing them from maintaining proper marksmanship.
Also because if they are against another force with NV then they won't be able to use their IR lasers. So this might be a good simple solution vs what the americans are doing with their pip sight heads up display thing
You can still aim with optics while using NOD’s, wtf?
@@ebbbrock Lol the new HUD optic is an actual optic as well
@@jimmymartino5433 Depending on the model and optic, yeah.
@@antoniusp3295 What do you mean “model”?
IMO, mounting night vision on the rifle and not the helmet is superior. I think when people used NODS, the get a false sense of security of thinking they can see others but others can’t see them. By putting the night vision on the rifle, troops are reliant on natural night vision and get a more intuitive sense of if they are truly visible to others. Also, rifle mounted night vision will naturally make troops favor passive aiming, whereas NODS gets troops to naturally favor active aiming. I think, all things being equal, an army equipped with rifle mounted NV will outmaneuver NODS equipped armies.
Totally agree. What I also prefer about NV rifle scopes is not needing an aiming laser which these days just gives away your position.
maybe get a 1 eye helmet mounted NV, which is on the non-shooting eye, and put NV on the scope, if you can afford it. i think that'd be better
@@GastropodGaming2006 I agree
@@adammcallister9675 Have we forgotten that we can still aim sights with NOD’s on? Lmao
Yeah, I don’t think you know how Nocturnal combat doctrine differs when it’s near-peer/peer forces vs some goat farmer who doesn’t have NOD’s
0:17 seems someone was doing a quite specific foreshadowing....
Current AK-12 that is being procured for Russian military, at the heart is still the same tried-and-true AK-74. Bolt carrier and bolt are interchangeable with older AK-74 models for example. Essentially AK-12 is an AK-74 that had its exterior redesigned to employ the current trends such as free-floated handguard with pic rails, pic rails on the top cover, adjustable stock, ergonomic grip, magazine with windows. The rifle was designed to be able to readily accept the plethora of attachments that a soldier wants to put on. Tacticoolized if you will.
It was the initial AK-12 project that existed between 2011 and 2015 that has super-low recoil and looked slightly different. But it was extremely rushed, HIGHLY unreliable and, what made it stillborn, needed a completely new production line for manufacture which would cost stupid money. Vlad Onokoy was involved in testing of that rifle and put around 14000 rounds through the prototypes. He wrote an article about it. Not sure if it exists in english language version.
A small comment regarding accuracy of the rifles: Army version of AK-74M had to print a 15cm group at 100m with standard ball ammo when using stock iron sights. That amounts to around 5MOA. With an optic that group requirement is 8.5cm so under 3MOA. However the reality of combat is that infantry soldiers with assault rifles actually KILL one another mostly at ranges well below 200m. When Russians captured Georgian M-4s and compared them to service AK-74Ms, they found the accuracy to be pretty much lineball
Keep in mind those Georgian M4s was Bushmaster AR15 retooled and renamed to Bushmaster M4s, for training purposes. - Everything Georgians got was second hand equipment that was long outdated by that time and those M4s was of the worst quality provided. Colt M4s issued to Georgians never left Iraq. As in they got them issued there from US armory and they was turned in at their end of tour.
No parts are interchangeable, wtf
@@namesurname624 This is straight up false lol, the bolt carrier and bolt are 100% identical. I’ve built two AK-12s here in the US with 74 parts.
Открою наверное тайну, но захват западных винтовок никогда не было проблемой. И единственный пункт который уступал западным образцам это попадания с неустойчивых положений, то есть в эргономике. Всё остальное или равно, или лучше чем западные образцы очевидный плюс патрона 5,56 в начальной скорости, однако 5,45 переигрывает 5,56 на дистанции, так 5,45 теряет энергию медленнее чем 5,56.
Let me tell you a secret, but capturing Western rifles has never been a problem. And the only point that was inferior to Western models is hitting from unstable positions, that is, in ergonomics. Everything else is either equal to or better than Western samples, an obvious plus of 5.56 cartridge in initial speed, but 5.45 outperforms 5.56 at a distance, so 5.45 loses energy more slowly than 5.56.
@@MarbleDuck Вообще изначально детали не на 100% взаимозаменяемы, но в новой генерации да совпадает в большинстве случаев. В первой генерации был изменен УСМ и добавлен новый режим огня с отсечкой в 2 патрона, из за чего взаимозаменяемость не была равна 100%
In general, initially the parts are not 100% interchangeable, but in the new generation they are the same in most cases. In the first generation, the trigger was changed and a new fire mode was added with a cut-off of 2 rounds, due to which the interchangeability was not 100%
P.S. Блять гугл ты заипал корявить смысл слов!
Most of the ak-12's you see in pictures don't have any optics. they're rolling irons.
you're onto it man. This is gold. You saw way ahead through being informed. Massive.
12:05 the ak12 is definitely NOT a huge game changer. In a conventional war (as opposed to Afghanistan style counter insurgency operations), the outcome is not meaningfully impacted by whether you have a picatinny rail and sub-MOA accuracy or not. In these cases the side with better logistics and fire support wins. Though to be fair, it's not like improvements to small arms are completely irrelevant. They matter, but are more of a bonus in my opinion rather than the highlight of a fighting force.
I'd say weapon optics capable of seeing human outlines, relaying targets to command, having good situational awareness, and technologies that allow it is paramount in the future war. Advancement in crew-served weapons and the technology to protect them using infantry is another.
Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics.
@@paogene1288 as i said, improvements absolutely help but its not like the invasion of taiwan will succeed or fail solely on if china issues rifles with iron sights or eotechs.
Well biden is handing out ar14's for free to everyone so they will have better technology.
@@surge4519 ar14's...? that's gotta be a new model I don't know about!
Can we all appreciate the fact that cappy just throws shade at everyone and we're all for it lol
Lol yup
How typically American
no one not even myself is safe from my horrible jokes
You predeicted the Invasion PERFECTLY.
Did you know that Ukraine began massing troops on the border of the donbass and began shelling the few days prior to the Russian invasion?
Let me give you an inside information: Indian military went to Russia for replacing their INSAS rifles they tested Ak series, the Russians pressed on to favour ak12 but in over all cost comparison they desided to select ak203 instead to bet in ak12 although they bought small consiment of ak12 for its police commando units. In their assessment they found AK 12 comperative costly compared to ak203 and not much ground breaking or superior.
The AK203 was a smart buy, but I cannot say the same about the Rafale contract for the IAF, 7.9 Billion EUD for 36 planes.
@@mmccarthy9458 Not sure what's included in the service and weapons package but IAF badly needs something like Rafale
@@mmccarthy9458 I don't think it was a bad decision for India. considering the amount of military equipment they have to maintain, buying the aircraft with the lowest operating cost among the most modern fighters was the best choice
The AK-203 was the best choice!
Ну если не считать того что в АК 12 кучность будет по лучше чем у предыдущих поколений, вообще-то неплохо купить и АК 203. Самое главное они выбрали ту модель которая им понравилась.
Well, apart from the fact that in the AK 12 the accuracy will be better than in the previous generations, in general, it's not bad to buy the AK 203. Most importantly, they chose the model that they liked.
Looking back on this video now. Puts it in a new perspective.
anybody messed with the amd 65 before? the first time I ever experienced a muzzle break that actually works. reduces the recoil to nearly a 22, gun comes with a folding stock and of course never jams. think it was Hungarian made this was the best ak in my opinion. throw on the drum and switch to full auto with a swist tie. did work back in the day
I haven't tried out an amd 65, but the break on your standard 74 makes the recoil next to nonexistent. It took me a few afternoons at the range to finally quit overcompensating with my recoil impulse.
Why change something when it works perfectly. You want optics? Add picannity rail. You want more reliability? Add a double piston system. Want to shoot further? Add a double piston system with a better buttock. No need to change the system in general.
73 year old rifle & all they did to modernize it was add barrel threading & pic rails. It's amazing how fundamentally well designed the AK-47 is.
@@bbbbbbb51 You simply can't fix the AK
"Who knows where that will be? Your guess is as good as mine" 0:18.
10/10, had to check when this video was made.
A fix for the top cover not holding zero would be to get rid of the swing open design and instead have the cover interface with rails built into the receiver. It could slide on from the back and be locked in with the same pin hole.
"How do you improve a masterpiece? You don't." -AVGN
Учитывая личный опыт использования АК-74М и АК-12, могу сказать, что АК-12 сделал небольшой прорыв в плане удобства. Особенно это сильно коснулось баланса оружия, автомат теперь не клюёт вперёд, как это было с 74М. Не приходится менять цевья, крышки ствольной коробки и так далее, чтобы что-то установить. Что касается прицелов, тактических рукояток, фонарей и так далее. Их военнослужащие вольны покупать и устанавливать самостоятельно, это не возбраняется. Штатный прицел ПК120 "Валдай" выдаётся только определённым военнослужащим, занимающих определённые должности. Это связанно с организационной штатной структурой Вооружённых Сил Российской Федерации. Поэтому редко где можно увидеть различные обвесы для автоматов. Их просто не выдают.
В целом стоит задача перевооружения армии на стрелковку в лице АК-12, на котором комплекс из валдаевских трубка+коллиматор. Понятно что в первую очередь это внедряют в частях контрактников. Но стоит задача полного перевооружения на всём армейском уровне, а не определённых военнослужащих. Иными инициативами глобальное государство не мыслит.
@@WegeroQ ну, на весь армейский уровень я бы наверное не разгонялся. Пока у нас есть призывная служба со срочниками из самых глубоких Усть-зажопинсков, никто повсеместно не будет внедрять такие достаточно хрупкие и дорогостоящие вещи, как коллиматорный/голографический прицел. Срочник же, если что-то не сломает, то точно "пролюбит". Разорится государство срочникам каждый призыв прицелы менять.
@@ЮрийОлейник-ы6н если по-чесноку, то срочникам для их задач, хватит и АК-74 , ну, максимум плюс подствольник, и то, в основном разведке и первому отделению первой роты.
Все правильно! Что касается штатного прицела "Валдай" и прочих оптических прицелов. Они и должны выдаваться специализированным подразделениям для специфичных задач. Вам зачем коллиматор в окопе? Чтобы что? По поводу работы внутри помещений - другое дело. Тоже самое с подствольным гранатометом внутри помещения - зачем он там? Учитывая Ваш личный опыт использования АК, с вероятностью 99%, Вы должны общаться с теми, кто из них стреляет. Пообщайтесь с ними еще раз.
the best is HK 15 as Im concernened i have 12 sometimes Glock sometimes SIG i magnum v tire 457 heavy canon 6 dimes
My personal experience with my AK-12/19:
I think it’s a cool rifle by aesthetic and design. It definitely influenced me to be interested in the AK platform.
I’m quite surprised with the groupings I have out to 200 Yards. It wasn’t spread out, but it was consistent with irons only.
And yes, hands down agreed the Russian optics aren’t that great.. However it’s aesthetically appealing. You may as well draw a dot and call it a day!
I like the old 12 style stock more than the new ugg boot copy. You can have the cleaning kit stored in the Buttstock which is neat.
Ugg boot is ugly because gæ-4's stock is better?
ничего в нем хорошего нет, мой дорогой друг.
How did you seize an AK-12 and shoot it?
Where exactly did you get a current standard military-only rifle that's not allowed for civilian use, much less export? Did you get to shoot with someone at a range? That's not excatly YOURS now is it? Either that or I call BS
I like the new stock better, merely for aesthetic reasons. Old one looks like you sliced stock from M4 and glued it to an AK. New one is a lot more original
2 round burst wasn't random. It's one to chest and one to chest little higher. Oh and the fact the an94 was 2 burst fire which was designed around multiple hit accuracy and reduced recoil and the only way to do that is shoot 2 bullet at once because 3 is looking over their head that's what gives it the higher rate of fire in burst mode. It chambers a second round while the bolt is technically only half way through its recoil with a weird mechanism. I wish you did a little more research into previous weapons put through the Russian trails it would have been glaringly obvious why its 2 round burst.
In all honesty this new ak 12 just sounds like "ay comrad I like an94 but is too expensive and unreliable. Oh I hav idea put an94 and ak74 togther we make great gun"
It's interesting that Russia tried to develop a multi-bullet per trigger pull and gave up because the US tried to do the same thing with project SPIW and gave up. They ended up getting the not ready for prime time, M-16.
You have to understand Cappy's humor. He ridicules burst fire as a crutch for the untrained.
@@fazole it is
You should start putting out mor in depth videos instead of complaining and whining about someone else's 🤷♂️
@@fazole Russians didn't "give up" on burst because of US. Russians didn't manufacture AN-94 because it was HELLA expensive, HELLA hard to clear stoppages in battle, HELLA complicated in disassembly, maintenance and manufacture.
People don't appreciate how high quality a lot of Soviet-era Ak-74s are.
What a strong economy and industrial base does to a mf
Thanks so much man for all your videos and your service keep up the good work!
thanks for watching you all make this work worth it to me
There's this guy named oxide who got his hands on one of these. The main issue came from the selector switch being horrible, it also doesnt have enough upgrades to warrant this and not just modernize the AK74M
Love oxides videos abosulte solid dude.
He mentioned him. Somebody didn't watch the video before commenting 😆
Oxide gang rise up
I honestly thought this was a set up for a chemistry joke….sad nerd moment now 😔🤘🏾💯
Oxide is not as smart as he thinks he is, complaining about the ak selector being too tight when literally all you do is take it out and bend it slightly to make it as tight as you want. He should stay in his lane of BB WARZ bc he only has surface level knowledge and mostly just shoots armor with guns and ammo that other people provided for him
As when Homer Simpson won the contest "design your powerplant", His crudely created diorama being a model of the current plant, but with fins to lower wind resistance and a racing stripe. Mr. Burns loved it
I had AKS-47 as service weapon for a year and it was still rare that I landed all 3 shots to a target in burst mode, because that 3rd climbs way up, because of the recoil... Mayby thats why they whent with 2 shot burst mode.
I wish they were available on the US market. I don't own a 5.45, but I love my traditional 7.62 akm's, and I imagine an ak12 would be a joy to own too.
I guess that you can EASILY exchange ak 12 for some NORMAL quality AR (just contact someone in the Ukrainian army).
@@ІванКоваль-й5ж a semi automatic sporting rifle for a fully automatic war machine 🗿
This aged well...
Well none of the Russians in Ukraine seem to be using it.
Given how much emphasis I would expect on backwards compatibility, I am surprised that it does not include a side rail to mount legacy optics. My assumption is that pic rails get in the way, but if they are not going to make the bolt compatible with the old AK-74, then they should have redesigned the bolt so that the rails can be mounted lower, so that the old optics can clear the pic rails.
"they believed it was just as good" Am i the only one that hears Brandon Herrera saying "jUsT aS gOoD"?
oh boy 0:18, 3 month later and right on the spot
The two round burst comes from the idea that a fast enough action can get both rounds out before the first bullets recoil is felt. Whether to improve armor penetration by stacking two hits on top of each other or to improve hit probability by increasing the amount of rounds fired.
It's something the east and west have theorized and attempted to implement for decades
All in all it sounds like it's better than 3 round burst by it being more controllable and saving 1 more bullet every trigger pull vice the older 3 round burst which obviously doesn't have the benefits of single shot or fully auto.
Too bad that production model of AK-12 has the old slow rate of fire of 650rpm, which makes burst mode useless as you can easily cut those two round bursts by yourself after a bit of training
3 round burst also also suffers in that it's often out of rhythm with fast repeated trigger pulls. 2 round burst is imagine is alot easy to stay in rhythm.
Idea is to give soldier better change to hit.
There is a spread. There is always spread.
From a 100m it is something like 10-15cm avg. maybe bit more.
@@cm-pr2ys 2 round burst has it's roots all the way back to original AK, which proved to be somewhat of an arse for the average individual who gets the issue (We talk about agricultural country who got smashed with WW1, got civil war, de-facto struggled in it well in the 30s, had a lot of sanctions slapped on it (As well as overseas assets "Not stolen, just waiting for the legit owners" withheld) and then pulled into WW2 the hard way. As a result, rather choppy industrialization and a lot of conscripts still being peasants or low qualification worker with intellect of a brick). Typical rookie was either sitting on semi-auto or produced 5-6 round bursts (If you actually pull the trigger on original in full auto, you'll understand). This is something brass didn't like, so average rookie conscript was taught to use mostly two positions (Safe and full auto), yet fire with the light tap, shooting 1-2 rounds at a time, with a second follow-up burst at the target to more or less ensure the mission kill. This quickly evolved in "Two by two" and then engineers had their faces shoved in this "two by two" any time they had to contact the brass for technical tasks. So, the "Abakan" competition (Which gave the world AN-94) wasn't really all that unique in it's 2 round burst requirement, it's simply one time when brass was able to cut through the red tape and no-sell the party meddling in brass affairs.
If the 2 round burst is anything like that on the AN-94, it'll fire those 2 rounds faster than an MG3 and will essentially see both bullets hit the same place. I think this has something to do with countering armoured enemies.
No, it’s just to make groupings tighter. It’s almost impossible for the bullets to hit the same place.
you predicted the war in this video. subscribed.
The more I learn about other military powers, the more grateful I am for the fact that we get a red dot as standard issue. The amount of soldiers still using iron sights blows my mind.
This dude was a prophet on that war
I’ve really come to love this site. At first I was put off a bit because CAP IS NOT FUNNY. But I realized he is doing Dad humor. I could relate. So I’ve focused on the content. It’s very good and informative. Thank you for doing what you are doing.
High cyclic rate 2 round burst is optimal for close range fighting. It doubles the hits without sacrificing accuracy and you still get 15 pulls of the trigger.
Well, that intro aged well...
Damn that "Wherever that war might be... who knows where? It's a big mystery. Your guess is as good as mine!" aged well.
The A-545 which is based on AEK-971 by Kovrov has much more new features than current AK-12. I personally think this rifle needs to be adopted in mass instead of the AK. But I guess the AK is more iconic and judging on how "special" the Kalashnikov Group is treated now by Russian government compared to Degtyaryev plant that produces the A-545, it's kinda sad.
The quality of small arms corresponds to the life expectancy of the soldier using it.
I hope the ever make an Aone in 5.56 and export it, i really want one, Oh or better yet, make one in 7.62x51.
I wonder if cost had to do with the decision to not adopt the A545/762 at a larger scale? I would imagine the extra parts would cost more
@@DeltaEchoGolf Guess that's why Russian weapons work forever lol
@@2Potates nah, that won't happen at least untill russian military adopt it.
@8:23 To be fair, the AN-94 was also two-round burst (at 1800RPM).
I’m sure there are comments lower down already, but… WOW! Who would’ve guessed you could tell the future based on the first 40ish seconds of the video!!!
some airsoft companies made short series first gen ak12 before actual sample shown up. now counted as cool collectible thing.
and actual ak12 buttstock is great. have it on 4 of 5 my personal guns.
even one on mossberg 500!:D
Hey, I enjoy your gear reviews gorgoth. I'm guessing you're talking about the old buffer tube style ak-12 stock not the new 2020 one? Have you operated that one yet, it seems like they have copied the mapgul zhukov-s design
Great, im glad you like my vids. Yeah, im taking about pre 2020 version stock. I had 2020 version too. Even used on 12 gauge saiga. Its like meh
Not bad, But older one i like way more. Especially when i customly adapted it to armacon Adapter with raised line, and it become non folding. If you check my last pso vid, you could probably see what i mean
Oh hello gorgoth i didnt know you watched task&purpose
"...the friends we made along the way...!"
Brilliant! 😄
Izmash also created an upgrade kit for old AK-74s. It includes new stock, rails and muzzle device.
Love the 74. I dont care what anyone says.
00:10 well, that aged like wine
I honestly didn't expect Oxide to be referenced here. That's pretty dope
The optics rail is the biggest improvement. The AK platform is an overall great weapon, it just needs a little modernization.
Putting a rail on that loose AF dust cover allows for optics, but gives you terrible accuracy.
@@ericcrabtree6245 Dust covers on AK-12 are different, and they have superb accuracy, watch the Kalashnikov group channel talk about it.
If the longer range iron sight distances can be trusted my mosin can shoot 2000m lol
Rank n file, rank n file
man I love no bullshit political or otherwise in your content, subscribed, humour is on point too lol.. all the best!
Russia is modernizing. They now also announced mass production of their hypersonic Zirkon missile.
Yeah Russia announces alot of things, unfortunetly delivering is another question.
like they announced 400 of their new armata tanks by 2020 so far barely 70 exist and probably a smaller number is actually funtional
Mass production means something different to Russia than to everyone else
Yeah, everyone is modernizing from Poland to China
@@aldovk6681 you think maybe it's due to regular cycles of upgrading, or due to geopolitics? Or a bit of both?
You say most of the Russian soldiers doesn't have holographic scopes, huh? Man, I used to serve in Russian army until the last month, and we didn't even have kevlar helmets and wore good old SSh-68. And only few companies in our brigade have ak-74m instead of regular ak-74.
Were you in the "rear echelon" forces ?
@@Jorvaskrr nope, artillery brigade
lol one doesn't need a Kevlar helmet, when you have vodka
@@PresidentHMV those stereotypes are awful! Even if I drank vodka with my dad just four hours ago
jeez, I knew it was bad but I didn't know it was THAT bad
That "maybe the real AK-12 is the friends we made along the way" made me chuckle.
10:48... yeah, that's not a night vision device, that's the 1P90 3x magnifier...
Yep. The 1P90, with the model's markings clearly visible in the video, is ONLY a magnifier and has no NV capability. The 1PN138 is a Gen III magnifier meant for use with the AK-12, but I doubt that Russia will issue more than a couple of these per rifle squad do to budget constraints. Russia also developed the 1K241 rail mounted laser designator. These will likely only go to the squad leader and senior rifleman at best and if at all.
Gods of UA-cam, thank you for providing us with another bountiful video
Just started watching recently and you crack me up man.
Greet video and so was the vid about the new 6.8 US trials rifle. Very cool.
Thanks man.
This aged perfectly
You could literally grab some grass and stick that to your helmet and that would be better than the UCP camo
Glad I found this channel 🙌
You really nailed your prediction about Ukraine
On my point of view, without any personal experiences with AK, I love these new AK models. It's a real true modernization of the the assault rifles. Even if for me the best option remains probably the AK-19 which can use Nato ammunition I am not agreed at all with the rumors explainig that the AK-12 is only an updated version of the old AK-M. The system is similar yes but the gun has been reviewed entirely. If this information was correct we should explain why, as example, a Mk18 is not considered as a new version of the old M16 used during the Vietnam war. On the west side we consider that the origin of a M4 is the M16 ... derivative of the AR15...and that the MK18 is an AR 15 platform but a new gun... Why we couldn't consider the AK-12 and Ak-19 like new guns based on a AK platform. For me it's not only an updated version of the AK ...it's a new weapon.
Informative review.
Good job team
"wherever that war might be, who knows when....".... All had been answered as at today!
The AK-12 is when some rich guys laugh at your outdated truck, so you make this very cool sounding truck but it falls apart so you go back to your original truck but give it better parts and a nice coat of paint to it.
You seriesly got me there man, you got a new sub for sure 👍 well done my friend 👌
Well. The AK-74's aren't going to last forever and will eventually need to be replaced. Why not use the gradual phasing out of the older designs to implement the newer design?
Because then everybody has to be trained in both and you have to manage parts inventories and logistics for both. The other reason is a new design for small arms isn't really that important to the effectiveness of the military overall.
@@SurmaSampo If you outfit Battalion after Battalion this should be no problem.
In tests I did myself with M16A1 with 2 and 3 round magazine loads at 30 feet the first two shots were center of aim point while the third one always was high by up to 5 to 6 inches. With the AK-12 burst rate of the original test weapons it was almost a one-hole group at similar ranges. The production version not sure on rate of fire in the bust mode but compared to three shot burst less chance of off target rounds even in close house fights. Good choice on Developer's part.
complete horseshit but ok
@@jaxrammus9165 I used to demonstrate 3 round burst to my trainees at Benning. First round, center mass. Second, about 5 inches off. Third, grazed the outer edge. The M-16/M-4 doesn’t have the cyclic timing to bullet exit ratio to create tight burst shots like the Russian rifle does.
So now your ass knows.
Sounded all kinds of alarms that's an understatement
3:46 Quote says:"A series of flaws" You are saying: "serious flaws"
Even without optics moving the rear leaf sight to the back of the dust cover from the trunnion increases the sight radius. this alone would make the AK-12 more accurate than its predecessors if the new pinned dust cover's is repeatable and constant. Not sure how reliable any rail on the hand guard is but the improved butt stock is also a plus. Given the legendary reliability of the AK rifles these minor modernization tweaks may just be a winner.
I'm not super familiar with the AK platform, but isn't the rear sight in front of the dust cover? Moving the rear sight and/or optic to the rear now puts it on the moving dust cover. I am sure the designers have designed some lockup system to combat this, but I'd be a little concerned with the new sight system holding zero after the dust cover is manipulated a few times. But, like I said, I'm not familiar with this platform so I could be way off.
Yeah. Mounting any sight, iron or optics, on the dust cover is dumb.
After watching tens of reviews fromU S military specialist I can say it's amazing, especially the 107 no recoil .
this aged well
Best thing i can say is, Russia usually has big dreams for weapon platforms and Naval Warships, but money always keeps it from realizing those dreams.
Because Communism sucks, the Russian government keeps the populace poor
Agree. But they are a second army in the world anyway.. It seems they spend money efficiently
Not sure what you mean by, "the AK did not have optics", but I served in the mid 80's, does not matter where, and we had nightvision scope for the AK. It was quite big, compared to modern nightvision gear, but it was permanently fixed to the top metal cover thing. All you need to do is push the button on the back, and take off the top cover. Then you could click on the nightvision scope with its own fixed top cover. You could do this in a couple of seconds. Not sure if I explain this right, I'm not sure what that top metal cover is called in english. But you basically had 2 of them, one with the scope mounted, and one with nothing for during the day. And you could switch between the 2 as and when needed, within seconds. Can't remember what the scope was called, my brain is awol, but it had like rubber thing that only opens when you put your eye to it. You could only open it in the dark, or something inside would burn out. It might not have been as tough as modern nightvision, but it was amazingly good. You could literally see everything, even with no moon in pitch black night. Everything was green, but still you could see everything.
So not sure how common it was, but the AK47 definitely did have at least some optics. It just did not use the picatinny rail.
@@nikoc8968 A cover could be modified and fitted to hold zero fairly well. Yould not be firing at 600yds with suc an optic anyway.
While I have always felt that you applied humour evenly to both the daft aspects US and none US military weapons development, I just wanted to say that I appriciate that after listening to feed back, your still applying humour but being more obvious in including how the American military do exactly the same idiot things as whatever country your discussing. Shows you respect your audience. Good job.
Judging by the fact the Russian Army attacks only the daytime in Ukraine suggests they never got the night vision scopes.
yea ive noticed that..lol
Or they just making supply work in the night, or making their soldiers to have a rest, bacause I don't think that it's right decision to have a battle in the night, while you are trying to avoid civilian deaths.
@@krhml3092 they aren't doing a very good job at avoiding civilians in the daytime.
The Galil ACE can do whatever AK 12 will do.
-rails for attachments
-last round bolt hold open
-adjustable stock
-closed dust cover over ejection port
-ambidextrous magazine release and selector lever
Sure, but it's foreign product that is not economically nor logistically viable for Russian military.
@@BloPsy_Actual The Russians should just make a further improvement of the Galil and then rename it as AK just like what the Israelis did on the AK.
@@echodelta4250 israelis didn't used AK as a base to construct galil. Also jewish weapons suck
@@quiety8148 Well they used RK, which was a copy of AK so..
@@BloPsy_Actual its still jewish
0:16 Aged like FINE wine.
It aged like a shitty potato, we knew what was gonna happen, yet when it did everyone was surprised, because it is a shitty potato.
Any thoughts about sticking with the .545 instead of heading to something like the 6.8mm the US might be planning (I say might until one of the designs actually gets adopted).
7,62x39mm
Huge stockpiles of 5.45 and it works.
They work on a pretty small budget compared to the US and tanks and planes are probably more important than a new gun. The comfort of the common infantry grunt is not really a priority in Russia.
@@sebastianriemer1777 The point is that we are replacing .556 due to body armor. If Russia is fighting troops in NATO with Body Armor, then it has the same problem.
@@HanSolo__ So, why introduce a new .545 if you are going to switch back to 7.62x39. I am not sure that cartridge is good enough at this point versus body armor with ceramic plates.
They are using a 3 caliber system, 5.45 for light infantry, 7.62x39 for engagement with body armor similar to 6.8mm, 7.62x54R for battle rifle, sniper and MGs like our .308), and it works. Americans is the odd one who is always trying to consolidate everything into one caliber, but assault and battle rifle is at least for now serving two different purposes