Top 5 Guns I Just Don't Like (& What I Would Choose Instead)
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- 5 good guns I just personally don't like, and what I would choose instead.
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The Secret Service aren't exactly the "Elite Force" they used to be.
Epic
Get woke,
Break.
“The secret service aren’t exactly the ‘elite force’ they used to be”😂
Just like any other agency that uses DEI(Didn't Earn It). Can't expect the best when they don't put the most battle hardened or experienced in protection in the leadership positions.
FUN FACT: The Secret Service was the last bill Lincoln signed into law before he was assassinated. The agent assigned to protect him was across the street at a saloon getting drunk when John Wilkes Booth snuck into Lincoln's private box at Ford's Theater and shot him in the back. So much for the elite force, the SS is supposed to be, eh?
I still can't believe I'm seeing advertisements for Sonoran Desert Institute
Why? What happened?
Why do you say that?
I would check out the video that Caleb from Brownells put out on the topic
@@MystisNykoto Appreciate it! Thanks.
Check Caleb's video from Brownells
I had a friend who just got into guns and her range instructor could not stop singing the praises of sig. She got 2, a 365 and a 320. Spend over a thousand on both. I let her shoot my variety of milsurp pistols from around the world. She said I opened her eyes to what other guns can do. I tested her sigs. I think I hate the 320 as well. I did like the 366, but it was just a more expensive and larger version of my canik. Yoy never have misinformation Honest Outlaw. Keep the honesty coming.
8 out of 10 SDI graduates say they regret enrolling. That’s crazy. The fact that you know so much about firearms but still push an online gunsmithing program baffles me. You should know more than anyone that gunsmithing is not a skill you can learn from watching videos. You need hands on experience. That’s why the manufacturers stated what they did about the jobs graduates will be getting. SDI will get you the job. But I could go get that same job without going $40,000 in debt. It’s an entry level job available to the public because they still have to train you. You may have an idea of what’s going on, but there’s no real hands on experience, which is kind of the point.
That’s the case for most associates degrees out there tho. I don’t know much about SDI so I’m not trying to defend them but it is just an associates degree, most degrees of the same caliber are only going to get you entry level jobs. Also you need a lower degree before being able to go for a higher one
Outlaws gotta make that money
He might have a contract signed with them where he has a certain amount of ad reads left until the contract is up.
you do know if outlaw signed a contract, he will fulfill it, right?
Sdi pays big money to be sponsored
“Stick f***ing cupcakes in it, and it’ll still work” 😂😂😂
Sig AND the Secret Service? You’re throwing more shade than Lizzo at sunset.
2 inces, 2 inches...
Lizzo at sunset 😂
It's always sunset around Lizzo.
@@codyduncan6801it’s an eclipse and a full moon.
I don't like the p320. But I love j frames.
Thanks for the video!
“The world‘s dumbest sights” I don’t know why that made me laugh so hard
Awesome video. I love this. Negativity is soooo underrated. Without negativity there is no positivity (yin and yang)
@@LikeLikeLikeLikeLiI like the video, I believe good can and will exist without bad existing.
@@jakejudson8578 tell that to mental illness. 2 words: jeffrey dahmer.
I have tried but simply don’t like Glocks. And that’s ok. Plenty of other options
Kind of in the same boat even though my CCW is a 43x. What do you go to instead?
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 for CCW, Sig p365 (grayguns grip and spectrecomp slide) in summer and a cajunized CZ PCR in colder weather. Both with Holosun 507k
It isn't Glocks I don't like, it's the trigger.
I have the opposite experience. I hated Glocks until I gave it a real chance.
@@joshuagorecki4743 Heh, funny, On paper I should love em and most even feel really good to hold, but that doesn't translate into me shooting them well, comparatively. I also just vastly prefer old-school stuff like double-single action anyway. Nothing to disrespect em about, though.
I upgraded myself to the P226 MK25. I have zero complaints and in my opinion, absolutely worth the price tag.
@1:20, lol I literally said out loud, “I wonder how many of these are Kel-Tecs”
Nothing wrong with my KS7...😊
Kel tec - experimenting with novel concepts and coming out with intriguing and interesting arms.
Glock - making the same plastic trash for 50 years.
@@zchris87v80LOL - yes right up there with Sccy. Making junk and conning people into believing they’re innovative.
its fugly...should i say more?
@@zchris87v80 The latest one to come is chambered in 5.7 and accepts FN pattern mags. I literally just watched the video and then this one. I had one in 9mm when I first got interested in weapons. I do have some Glocks though; my FFL really sells me any one I want for 500 bucks.... most of the time. Have a good one.
I appreciate your opinion, I actually bought a few based on a few people's opinions, yours included. Not disappointed. I bought the Smith and Wesson folding caliber carbine based on your review. Not disappointed. I actually had a friend go out and buy one after I got mine , I may not be able to afford the more expensive ones and that's OK. Thanks
Boy his Secret Service comment was timed perfectly for this week.
7:37 I really like the PS 90 because it’s the perfect gun to hand to somebody (in an emergency) who Is completely unfamiliar with firearms. magazine capacity makes up for the fact that they are not used to reloading. Any kind of magazine, The ambidextrous ergonomic design and controls,low recoil, 3sights before you add an optic. It’s light and easy to carry. Disassembly is easy
If the thing you like best about a firearm is the thought of giving it to someone else, maybe you don't like it as much as you think you do.
@@Falconryder how long did it take you to come up with a zinger? Dude was pretty clear about arming someone unfamiliar with weapons and how that could be a boon.
@@John-zs2eo About 2 or 3 seconds. Low fruit. Also a joke. How much did you sell your sense of humor for?
My soul was hurting when you mentioned the J frame. It’s all I carry now after carrying every micro 9mm and 380 you can think of. Nothing else carries like a J frame and they are so light and comfortable that you can carry two and still forget you’re carrying.
Also, you can get pretty darn good if you commit to it, but I understand it’s not for everyone.
Try the bodygaurd 2.0! You will be much more pleased!
@@thepeoplesupdates676 Couldn't agree more, there is no better choice in the category
Do you use a Vedder pocket holster on each side?
I know what you mean. I don't carry a J frame, but I do find myself carrying my LCR more than anything else.
Carry what you want, what works for your application, don't change your carry just because of some bloviating guntuber.
I agree with your entire list, including the P320 and for the reasons stated. Of the 5, I only owned the P320 and tried and tried to like it. I went back to my Canik for USPSA and my scores got better. Best part was, I could buy 2 Caniks for what I got for the Sig. :)
Isn’t SDI a scam?
Maybe not !
My buddy got his license with them, worked for him 🤷♂️
Yes. Getting a "degree" vs applicable gunsmithing are different things. Would you trust a surgeon that got their degree online without hands on training?
@@MannyCortez82 I don’t have an opinion just saying it worked for him and he works on my shit
What thoughts do you have on Kimber Micro 9s?
Ian rocks. Thanks for the honorable mention Chris
I own two FN 509s, a full size tactical and a compact tactical. I’ve had both of them for over 5 years, and the reason I bought them is because at the time, a *factory* red dot mount was the key feature I was looking for, and the FN 509 Tacticals were one of a very small selection of pistols with that feature. They’re good guns, but not great guns. I shoot them well, but I should, because I’ve been shooting them for 5 years and I’ve been to several classes with them. Would I buy them again today? Hell no. There are 3 dozen guns on the market today that are at least as good for a lot less money and enjoy much better market support.
I was able to get my fn 509 for 525 lol. Couldn’t pass up on that deal
I feel the same. I like it, I don't love it.
Ehh...I'm not "upgrading" from the FNX or FNS-9c for the FN 509. Plus the cost is crazy..but FN have always charged a premium (and the fanboys too! Ever try to get a hold of an FS2000 these days?!?
@@AC_702Fnx is not cheap anymore
I have the FN P90s as my gun of choice for those bump in the night situations. It's truly Ambi and I'm a lefty, control are simple, if you keep your mags loaded you are good to go! It's not gases and almost impossible to get something caught up in its action. Plus, I require only one mag changes to get to 100 rounds, my AR takes 3.
@HonestOutlaw11 "Feel free to let me know in the comments section below."
Outlaw had me rolling with "Whew this is hard to say, the smith and wesson j frame" 🤣🤣🤣
That's in your face up close gun...HO uses pistols like rifles and for me like Clint says, pistol is to get you close to get you to your rifle
I don’t blame you a bit for not liking the j-frame. Personally, I’ll never be without one, but I load for them, train with them frequently, and they fit my philosophy of use. For me, they’re the best deep carry guns ever made.
Love the J-frame in a pocket holster for carrying at home and as a 2nd gun. Its what ended the infamous FBI shoot out in Miami(?). Yes out and about a full size or midsize auto, and spare mags.
Chris: 'Just because I don't like guns doesn't mean that you might not."
Me: "Pretty sure that you DO like guns, Chris.". 😄
That’s crazy Keltec just released the sub2k in 5.7
A shittier, less-available cartridge inside of 100y for more money. Woo.
I'm glad someone else dislikes the P320 as much as I do. I've tried to force myself to like it more than a couple times, but I just can't do it. At the end of the day, it's just a F'd over rebuilt P250.
“You can stick cupcakes in it and it still works”😂😂😂
don;t ruin a cupcake
But what about Twinkies?
Just like me.
The keltec Ian comment was pure gold man.
And i 100% agree on the 509 being WAY over priced and the P320 being garbage.
I’ve shot the fully auto version of the p90. It’s ridiculously fun.
Thank you, Chris for taking the time testing all the firearms in your channel.
I use your reviews to decide what is going to be my next tool on my box.
People use to follow what other people says without any personal research. Thankfully Not you. Well done Mr Chris.
Big dudes do look funny shouldering stuff like bullpup SMG's or Keltecs. The J frame is big guy-itis too, isn't it?
I'm with you on the P320 & the 226....I lived a love/hate relationship with the P320 and ended up trading it. I've carried & competed with a 226 and will never let them go. Good video and welcome to the cranky old guy club. 🤠
I agree with all your choices except the SUB2000. My SUB2000 has been flawless for me. Great video.
as the expression goes, "your mileage may vary". My Sub 2000 trigger broke on the first mag.
Just because its been flawless doesn't mean he likes it. That's kind of the point of this video.
Ive put 4000 rounds through P320s (3000 on one and 1000 on another), and fortunately I haven't had any issues that many people have had. They definitely aren't my favorite strikers, but I do like them a lot.
I have had around 4 malfunctions in that amount of rounds.
I love my M17, great gun and if it’s used by the USA army then that’s good enough
@@najibdarwich3925You say that like "mil-spec" is supposed to be some seal of quality. People who actually served run away screaming when they hear that term. Remember, every piece of equipment in government inventory was built by the lowest bidder.
@@benn454This is true, except that the Sig has a few more expensive components than a comparable Glock, they just undercut the Bid and pass the cost into costumers.
Also, the military does have standards of reliability that have to be met in order to earn the contract.
I am not saying that gun is better than a comparable Glock or Walther, just that it isn’t cheaper to make.
@@benn454 i agree with your point but the gun is still pretty much cost than Glock 19 & 18 Gen 5
@@benn454 "every piece of equipment in government inventory was built by the lowest bidder."
Absolutely NOT true. The standard is "lowest AND best" meaning it met the specifications provided.
Yeah my S&W 360PD J frame is my deep cover back up that shoots 357 mag. It is snappy. I do like it.
7:56 - "...the rounds are anemic..." Agreed with you on the PS90, but not on this quote. The 5.7x28 round is unfortunately responsible for the 3rd deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history (where only pistols are involved), and arguably the most successful hostage rescue in history (Operation Chavín de Huántar).
I love my Rock 5.7
I love my KelTec Sub2000 Gen 2, which is accurate and reliable. My P320 is a tack-driver for me, bullet-proof reliable. To each his own.
I thought i was the only one who stuck cupcakes in my 226,this is bullshit
My friends sub 2000 broke in half at the hinges. They sent him a new one in less than a week. Great customer service.
I owned a HK P7M13, which is the holy grail for many people, and replaced it by a Beretta PX4 Storm. And I'm much more happy with the Beretta. It needs the talon grip tapes, but for me it's better than the P7. Lot of people freak out, when they hear this.
Regards from Germany.
On the J Frame. Wilson Combat makes a spring kit for them. My gunsmith highly recommended it when I bought my 638 airweight. They use the 14# spring for reliability. It still takes POUNDS off the trigger pull while maintaining reliability. From what I've read, stock trigger is about 13lbs and mine should be about 8lbs now with the springs and some rounds through it breaking it in. It's very nice and smooth. You can feel the cylinder turn and know exactly when it's going to fire. I'm not sure why I waited so long to buy a revolver. They have so many advantages over semi autos for carry use.
I have the sub2000 it drives tacks no optics...dead on balls accurate, and industry term...glock mags...never had a problem with it...its a tool not a toy...does the job so far every single time....
I am surprised with the sub2000 opinion. I have the gen 2 in 40 S&W. So far mine has been reliable only around 800 rounds. The trigger isn’t bad for what it is. I had to add an M Carbo rear sight the other was just too low. Maybe mine is a unicorn
The US military isn't getting the P320 at cost. When you look up the original contract it actually comes out to about $3000 per gun. But the contract also includes nearly unlimited spare parts and repairs for 10 years.
The Army picked Sig because the Glock contract cost even more. Sig already had an American factory set up to make P320s. Glock's bid included the cost of building an American factory as military orders above a certain size are required by law to be made in the United States.
In the end the Army picked the gun from the lowest bidder, after eliminating all but one other contender for having genuinely inferior guns according to their testing. But military requirements aren't civilian requirements. It's ok that you don't like it, you're not the military, you don't have the same needs, so you don't do the same testing. You also don't have a bureaucracy forcing stupid requirements or considerations on you. I don't know if that applies to the selection of the m17, but it would be foolish to assume it doesn't with the world's largest employer.
I daily carry a P320 because I liked the one at my local rental range more than anything else in their cabinet and I found one online, new, for $500. I'm not you, what works for me might not work for you and vice versa. But I still value your opinion because you shoot a lot more than me and try a lot of things I don't. Keep it up, especially keep being honest.
I love my M17. I even dropped tested it extensively, added some scratches, but it is flawless. I don't get the reliability issues others are having. In my personal experience, they run better than Glock. I've had 4 glocks and 3 of them were junk.
Glock also refused to make a modular handgun which was a sticking point of the contract.
For one of you, glad yours hasn't been a danger. For one of you, modularity didn't mean a chassis system. Notice how only 2 guns in the trials were chassis guns. And considering the fact that glock made it to round 2 with the sig, tells me it didn't need to be a chassis gun to win the trial.
For the last of you, glock lost because sig outbid them as lowest bidder. After they were allowed to readjust their bid. They did it by over $100m, to the point they lost money on the contract. Each m17/18 is somewhere on the scale of $150-300. They made the deal for spare parts and accessories, after the fact, gouging the prices of everything. Those spare mags are probably, I'm just guessing, $200 a piece, the holsters about $600 a piece. Yes each soldier will get a $3000 setup with their service, but each gun is cheap cheap.
@@Thevoiceofsomething got any links for that information to support all of that? Its been common knowledge for a while that glock failed to submit a modular handgun, now glock people are presenting a new “well with backstraps its modular,” story. Last time I checked backstraps dont make a handgun modular.
@russb0072 ua-cam.com/video/v0LUbLu6TqA/v-deo.htmlsi=qfPMHVKJlt0B0PaA
this is one I have found. I also found, recently but can't remember where it was, an article discussing this very thing. It came to the conclusion that glock lost because of money, that sig was half the cost; and the conclusion that the trials were rigged from the get go. Not just money swapping hands, and favors, etc. but that the competition was set up with the 320 being what the requirements were based on.
My brother has the old Kel-tec Sub2000 and i can't stand it but i love the fact that Kel-tec came up with it first just like the KSG and everybody else soon came out with their copies. The new Sub2000 fixed the folding reddot problem and if i lived in a free state I'd have the one with the built in suppressor for under a grand.
On the FN 509 Edge, here is the answer to all your questions: Tim Kennedy helped FN develop it.
Another reason it sucks?
The Sig P226 is right up there with the HK USP. The old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it," should apply to firearms and the manufacturers. That being said, I'm a 45 guy who happens to like the P227, USP Tactical, FNX, 545, XDM(the 45 is now practically obsolete as far as Springfield is concerned), the PPQ, and the RIA Tac 45 doublestack. If I were to roll with a full size 9, S&W, HK, Canik, CZ, Beretta, and the Sig P226 only would be on the short list.
Im hearing bad stuff about Sonoran Desert Institute... about their program not being good, their certificates not being helpful in the job market, and about them targeting people using their GI bill.
Here's a red flag: a gunsmithing class online.
😐
I have the P320 X Compact with the Wilson Combat grip, and I absolutely love it. I've put close to 1000 rounds through it and haven't had a single malfunction. It might be down to the Wilson Combat grip, but for me it's one of the most accurate handguns I've shot-I mean, I'm more accurate with it than most other handguns. I do wish it had a manual safety, though. I have to admit that all the cases of the P320 seemingly going off by itself in holsters worries me. Needless to say, I don't carry it AIWB.
The CZ P10f Competition clearly kills the 509 LS Edge to name only 1 you could actually get for even less.
Just wanted to point out on the Sub2000, you have the butt stock set to the shortest position, you can adjust it out 2 more spots.
Great video as always!!
Love the 320! It’s okay though chris, you can settle for being right only 99% of the time, I’d still take that
I've had absolutely no issues with my Sig 320/M17 since I bought a used one from my local shop for a solid deal. I understand the hatred that they seem to have received over the years, but it is the only weapon that met the actual requirements for the military trials. It runs well and I have had no issues with mine at the range after at least 1000 rounds. The only gripe I have is that the finish has discolored a bit and it doesn't look quite a nice as it did when I first got it.
I have an M17 as well. Never had a malfunction. It runs flawlessly.
12:02 Glock didn't fail to make a modular gun, Sig just made the price substantially cheaper that they concluded trials before completion because they wanted the much cheaper gun. That's why Glock sued, the trials were not completed.
To be clear, the trial didn't specify they wanted a removable fire unit. They just wanted a grip frame that could fit different hand sizes. The Glock backstraps were considered sufficient to meet this requirement.
They sued and lost the GAO pretty much said Glock did not meet he requirements.
And nevermind the fact that making a grip module shorter or longer does not fix the problem of trigger reach. Unless you are making the grip narrower, then it's not going to fit folks with smaller hands, no matter how short the grip was. It was never going to fit different hand sizes better; it was just going to be more blocky for certain people.
I never understood why people bought into this BS with the grip module....the LOP/trigger reach was still the same.
I absolutely agree on the P320 and it kills me the amount of R&D money that Sig continues to sink into a sub-par platform. I bought my first Sig 30+ years ago and probably my last 10+ years ago, unless the company changes direction. Sig has pushed me into CZs, both for new guns and replacements for my classic Sigs.
Surprised he didn't use the Echelon as an example when discussing the P320.
I had a P320 m17, and it was great i loved the modular aspect of it, and then I bought a full-size S&W 9mm 2.0. I sold the p320 within a month of going to the range and shooting them back to back. The S&W put the far more expensive Sig to shame and made me mad that they charge so much more for that gun, and I had done a lot to it. I had it weighted, and the tungsten infused grip module on it, and there was still so much more muzzle flip than an out of the box standard 9mm S&W 2.0.
P10C or even P10S seems like the best all around striker fired platform for the price of like $288
Same for around sub $400 here in commy Washington state at Sportsmans Warehouse
The p10c had striker firing pins breaking. And the p10s has too small of a grip.
@@bobbyraejohnsonare you talking from first hand experience or is this a they say comment? I have over 6k rounds through both my C and S and they’ve been very reliable. Most subcompacts have small grips and nothing a plus 2 extension can’t solve
I’ve got more than 3000 rds p10c n more than 4000 p10, never had issues even with upgraded HBI triggers on both
@@najibdarwich3925 nice!
I have personal knowledge of a defensive shooting several years ago involving a J Frame 38 against 2 dudes who were literally killing him. Defender fired 3 rounds. Two hits on one, one hit on the other. One bad guy is holding real still now, and the other one is in a wheelchair. Defender is still alive. Might not be a first choice, but the J Frame is still a good choice.
At no point did he say J frames don't work. He said there are better choices but J frames work fine.
@@mr.browning7.624 Where in my comment did I insinuate he said J Frames “don’t work”?
On gun i haven't heard you say much about since your initial (glowing) review is the Springfield Echelon. I've got about 2,000 rounds through mine now without a hiccup, and I'm surprised it basically fell off everyone's radar for no particular reason (good or bad)
That is kind of interesting. I've been looking at 9mm pistol for a month or so, and haven't seen much about it either. (sincerely) Why do you think this is?
@@thomascampbell7407 well Springfield has never been the most popular brand to begin with, but this of us that have had them for a long time are loyal. The Echelon didn't really bring anything completely new, other than maybe the optic mounting system, which isn't really enough to sway most people. It's modular like the latest SIGs, and a decent but not outstanding trigger. To me it's a jack of all trades and by all accounts is super reliable right out the gate, which might be its biggest plus.
Magazines were breaking after hitting the floor. I think it happened to HO too. Otherwise, the gun itself is great
@@angelobartolomeu5679 only the 21 round extendos, and they fixed that pretty quickly. The P320 had legit safety issues for a long time yet people still fawn over them
You definitely have shot a lot more guns and a lot more P320s and their variants than I have. With that said. I’ve had mine for 6 or 7 years and have roughly 7,000 rounds through it and less than 1 handful of failures. And I shoot that gun fantastic. It has fantastic point and shoot ability(I know you don’t like the bore height, I don’t mind it) and very accurate out at range and I can hit targets at a 100 yards. I know this is as your own personal list of guns you don’t like and to each their own and I love your channel and always watch your reviews before buying a new gun. But just had to throw my 2 cents in for the rest of the audience. The P320 has been a fantastic gun for me and I love mine and never imagine getting rid of it.
Will you review the new CZ P09 Nocturne?
I'm with you on the P320... finally. I wanted to like this gun. I tried to like this gun. I even bought a second one with a Romeo red dot. It's just a pain in the ass to shoot. High bore axis being the worst, second only to their propensity to go off on their own without touching the trigger. I got rid of mine and encouraged friends and family to do the same.
I hated J frames until I discovered .32 magnum. I carry a 432 pd with apex kit. Once my ultimate carry model proves itself I'll carry that. It's got real sights. I pocket carry, a shield/g43 is a belt gun
.32 H&R mag is a good snubnose revolver round.
@@erroneous6947 so underrated
I hated on the P320 line for a few years and then got my hands on the X5 and its variations. The TXG frames fit my XL mitts perfectly and the weight is welcome. Huge fan of the X5s now.
The high bore axis argument always confuses me when most 1911s are the almost the same way and a lot of people love those
it's just physics, the 1911 is heavy and metal so you feel it less
@@edxleebut you can get a 320 metal frame
@stampdatazz why not just get a P226 at that point then?
@@edxlee because it's not striker fired?
@@RoninSkye24 just be happy with your high bore axis pistol then
Sub 2000 is a backpack gun that you don't get mad about when it breaks.
He’s a big guy I can see why he doesn’t like the LOP.
@@erroneous6947 oh for sure
Lol, I knew the M17 would be number one as soon as he said "can you guess?" I recently went to a range with my sister and nephew for the first time. I wanted to get some handgun practice since I am army active duty. I shot a Glock 19 and was not disappointed. All your handgun tips certainly helped.
I'm gonna enroll in SDI cause you recommend it and as a faithful follower of your content I trust your judgment.
Time-stamp guy hasnt watched a 13 min vid in 2 mins?! SMH
I know, this is ridiculous. Can't get good help these days.
I have 3k plus through my P320. It's failed 3 times in those rounds (and if im being honest, it was more than likely because I was riding the slide). I've even dropped it on concrete, and it didn't go off. Outlaw is awesome and one of the better gun reviewers on YT imho. BUT if you are thinking about getting a P320 and you've done your due diligence and gotten your hands on one (shot one if possible) and like it, get it. Outlaws, bad luck with the P320 series is as unlucky as I've seen or heard from anyone😂
Having previously lived under the rule of dictators in California where the choices are not the same as in free America, some old-world Sigs were available and I liked them, e.g., multiple iterations of the 226 and 229, and the 238 was one of the few handguns my wife could manipulate. When I moved to a free America, the P320 was a gun I had wanted, so I got one. It's a good, not a great, gun. I've experienced no malfunctions after several thousand rounds, and I enjoy shooting it. That said, I don't reach for it that often any more. I've picked up quite a few other handguns that I prefer to shoot, many Walther and Canik in particular. I understand the bad karma, and the bitter taste the 320 has left for many. But the joy of a free America is - choice. Don't like the 320? - dump it, or don't buy in the first place. And that's okay. Find something you do like. And if not sure, watch Chris, and Mike at Mrgunsngear, or Chris Baker at Lucky Gunner, or any of the many solid guntubers, and they will give their opinions on what is good and what is not, and you can feel pretty confident when you make a choice that what you are getting is not a turkey. I've probably picked up at least 10 firearms based on Chris' recommendations, and never been disappointed.
I appreciate that you made this video. Your reviews are trustworthy, and when I am getting ready to buy a gun, I want to know what's meh, just as much as what is good.
I am happy that you bring some attention back to the CZ P10, it deserves it
I don’t see how calling the 5.7 cartridge weak compared to 556 is a valid point... as 5.7 was intrended to replace 9mm Parabellum. But the trigger issue for the PS90 has to be considered.
Also, pretty sure you won't have to reload that rifle in a combat situation.
I do have to agree that most us are better off with an AR-15.
The 5.7 was always strictly a government/LE caliber meant for small auto pdws with true armor piercing ammo. It really has no purpose in the civilian world. There are other calibers/platforms that are more appropriate for the different needs civilians might have.
I don’t think the secret service has ever been very elite.
Maybe not, but at least they were a lot better at not screwing up on TV and the Internet.
Great list! Personally, I don't care for the P320 because the polymer grip feels "weird" in my hand. I've shot a lot of polymer striker fired pistols, and for whatever reason, the Sig doesn't feel right. I'm sure plenty of people love them, and that's great, but I'd take a Glock, M&P, Canik, or a CZ. That being said, I think it's great that we have so many options now.
Another fun vid from HO. Chuckled all the way through it……
Millennials and Gen z finding out the 70 series trigger isn’t drop safe about 75 years after we all learned this is hilarious
I love your videos man, and I dont even live in a country where guns are legal. XD
Out of a 16inch barrel 5.7 producing damn near 500ft of muzzle energy at over 2200fps
Me carrying a 637-2 in the summer 😢
There are so many better options than the SIG P320!! I love my SIG P365 and the Walther PDP is my favorite full size striker fired 9mm.
Totally agree with your number one pick. I bought one a couple years ago and couldn’t get rid of it fast enough. Decided to try the Walther PDP full-size 5 inch as my EDC and haven’t looked back since.
Dude, it was not used by Russian paratroopers. The 5.7x28mm round was meant to defeat soft body armor used by Russian paratroopers. Also stop perpetuating FUDD LORE that 5.7x28 is the same as .22 magnum. This has been refuted by TONS of tests comparing .22 magnum and 5.7x28 through comparative barrel lengths and bullet weights. 5.7 is significantly more powerful and is center-fire and not less reliable rim-fire like .22 magnum.
I did agree with you however on the Keltec Sub-2000. I have a Tac-Fire AR-9 on a PSA AR lower with a Stern Defense 9mm magwell adapter that uses glock magazines. My AR-9 runs circles around the Sub-2000 and is insanely reliable and soft recoiling.
The p320 fans I know who rave about them usually only own a p320 and don't have anything to compare it to. Living in southern Maine on the nh border means sig products are always in stock everywhere with dedicated displays and reps often visit stores.
PS90's aren't hard to load you're just loading them wrong. I've never had any issues loading mine all the way to 50rds.
The way you're loading them is not the correct way. They have a little groove and thats where you start the loading process, no need to do what you're doing.
SDI?? Outlaw, you’re my favorite gun channel. I always listen when you talk, but SDI? 🤦♂️
Used to be a big AR guy, but lately I’ve just come to love shooting pistols. You can get a nice P10 for $400 or Glock for $550. To get equivalent in AR world, you’re easily dropping over a grand, which would get you a P10C topped with a Vortex Defender ST, a TLR-7X, and about 1,000 rounds of 9mm!
Anyhow, a lot of the change to pistols was because of you. I’ve recommended guns to friends based on what you told me and those recommendations turned out to be their favorite pistols.
Beretta 92, M17/M18, Sig226, G26 and G19 can kick rocks. Love the PPQ Navy, CZ P10c, G17, G22, G43x, G48, M&P compact, Shield Plus
I don't own a single one on the list, great video.
Good video. It's interesting how we all have little preferences, and can say, yes, it's a nice gun, but they just don't quite fit me.
I'm that way anout CZ and, unfortunately, most S&W autoloaders. But love their revolvers.
I gound one H&K that sermed perfect. Waited a week to go back to nuyt it and it was gone. All tbe H& K's seem to have magazine and decocker paddles set just a little differently. I can't find another thst fits me.
Beretta maked fine pistols, but they are just a little off for me personally, the grip is wrong or the decocker is slide mounted or something.
I have a SAR9X that feels great, but tbe sights are the worst I've ever owned.
A $234 Keltec P17 has the best trigger I ever shot.
Amazing how the smallest things impact us so much.
Definitely agree with the number 1 pick. Even after years of models and refinements, I just find the P320 mid. Not bad... but so lackluster.
I just bought the new Sig fuse and I’m iffy with it. I also bought the S&W 2.0 metal comp and I’m very impressed with it so far. As far as small and snappy my SP 101 will wear you out pretty darn quick with heavy ammo.
next video better have cupcakes stuffed into a P226 or i'm unsubscribing
You're right about the FN PS90, I still enjoy mine though.
Great list. Agreed 100% on the P320, I have had three of them and they all had issues.
How long ago ? I hate to hear that , I was considering an M-18
@@guaporeturns9472 - Last one was about two years ago, first one was when they first came out. Will not try another one. My P250 is ten times the gun and never an issue.
I have loved your videos throughout the years, and this video is outstanding to me as well. Keep Up the Great Work. I was in Law Enforcement and carried the Sig P229, not the P226, and it was beautiful to fire and carry.
I would love to see a P226 cupcake test
On the J-frame, there are definitely easier guns to shoot and to say it's "snappy" is an understatement. I own one by default (inheritance) and I personally love it and carry it all the time, but I still find it more challenging to shoot than anything else I have shot. Due to the short barrel length and heavy trigger, I consider it a "get off me" type gun. This is not something I would consider for a new shooter and especially if they wanted a carry gun. As you pointed out, there are other options that provide the same, or better, results in a similar size that are more manageable. I'm sad it mad the list but you aren't wrong. On another note, I considered getting a PCC until I heard Clint Smith comment on them. He said something along the lines, if you want a rifle, get a rifle. If you want a pistol get a pistol but pick one. That took me off the fence about getting one. While I don't dislike them, nor would I discourage anyone from getting one, I have decided it just isn't for me. I've shot the Kel-Tec and absolutely loved it but I've decided to go a different route.
The Glock didn’t lose the competition because it wasn’t modular. It made it to final downselect and would not have if it didn’t meet a core requirement. The backstrap option on the Glock made it modular just like you can take the FCU out of the grip module and put it in a smaller or larger grip. That’s what the requirement for modularity meant.
Yeah this is a big misconception. It met all requirements the reason it wasnt chosen was because of cost.
Gonna throw some extra love to the Sub2k by recognizing there is a variant that allows use of many different magazines including M&P, 320, 226, TP9, CZ75, Beretta 92. They can be found for around $250-300.
P320 X5 Legion. I really do like it M18 is not as good but I do like the thumb safety for carry with one in the tube.
I love my X5 Legion. I have many other pistols and it’s my favorite.