My mind was blown when I realized I was 25 minutes into a 50 minute video on getting banned in a game that died years ago, and then again reading the comments and realizing this
@@K0LBIE It can seem a bit pretentious and it's also just funnier to act like you're an outsider. Another speedrunning youtuber "Msushi" also does this sometimes
holy shit, did no one check the raw footage. his raw had him taking about 6 seconds logging in (45 seconds to 51 seconds) before getting banned while his wr submission had him taking about 2 seconds (45 seconds to 47 seconds). how did no one call him out on this. i didn't accurately time it but seemed like he just missed the world record and spliced it.
I decided to compare the two, and wow, you are correct. I have no idea how that wasn't caught before. Thanks for bringing this up. I'll pass this off to the Club Penguin speedrun moderators.
The thing that stands out to me about the contentious run is why he didn't just show the Skype/Discord windows with some smaller boxes edited over names and such. When you omit information, you have to be clear about what information was omitted, and not have a giant box covering half the screen. It also didn't help that he'd already cheated, previously
This is my take. Whether or not he did cheat in that second run (personally I don't think we have enough information to say) he'd already lost the benefit of the doubt by actually cheating the first time.
@@Estarile It's also extremely inconsistent, why would he not have cared before about leaking his discord and steam page but on his literal world record run he edited what he had basically already shown? You can't tell me that is not fishy as hell
@@mr_confuse Skype may show their real name though, which would be a good enough reason to hide the window. I can see the reason why you would put a big box instead of little boxes if you don’t want to track the windows during the fade-in/fade-out of the transition.
Also like the person on reddit said, he should have considered these things before the speed run. You’re literally planning everything careful and overoptimising everything, but you didn’t think to remove your other tabs? Why? You didn’t need them
Y'know, speaking of how things aren't the same as six years ago: I wonder if any analytical AI exists yet to determine if a video was edited. But I agree: I have no doubt he tampered with his run capture *again*.
I love how absolutely no one is considering what Club Penguin itself thinks of all these ephemeral penguins coming in and saying fuck and immediately dying.
Dude is terrible at cheating lol. Covering the clock after it gave him away the first time... real subtle. I can't believe he wasn't banned after his first illegitimate submission
Honestly yeah, even if it's not 100% provable that camelogical cheated in the last one just the fact that he did before is enough to delegitimize any of his runs imo
Edit: Wait, I'm stupid. Camelogical's raw footage video is 20 seconds longer, meaning he sped up his final wr video or spliced it somewhere. Keeping my rant below, though. Camelogical definitely did cheat in the first run, but in the last one I think they played legit. The box covering the time was probably just an accident, since it also covers the rest of that side of the screen, and when they were asked to remove it, they did. If I was about to post a last minute world record speedrun that would never be contested, and I noticed I had information on there I didn't want getting out, I'd try to censor it too.
So you've got a guy who was definitively caught cheating putting a super suspicious video up right at the last second... and there's even a question? Even if he earned it, that's the burden you carry for being dishonest - it's just like crying wolf. Your integrity is literally the only thing you can never truly take back once broken. Camelogical got the reception he earned by lying and being deceitful.
This is the definitive answer. There are some things you just can't do once it's discovered that you don't play by the rules. You can't work in a school if you abused a kid. You can't work in a retail shop if you stole something. And you can't speedrun a game that you've already been caught cheating in. MAYBE if he had kept his webcam on from start the finish, or did the runs on a live stream (again, with webcam on), then MAYBE he could have redeemed himself. But he didn't. All he did was learn how to edit his faked videos better. That was his only goal.
When he first mentioned Skilloz, I was like "oh I swear I've heard that name before, isn't he a speedrunner for other games too?" and then I checked the uploader lmao
Yeah. I don’t really care about his run. His character is discredited and it’s his own fault. Cheaters need time outs! And although those shouldn’t be lifelong, imho, this analogy still stands: It‘s like getting a VAC ban in CS and then becoming the best player ever - you‘re still vac banned; you‘re irrelevant, since you‘re out of the framework. You ain’t get those skins back!
@@TomJakobW There have been a few pros who were VAC banned but were unbanned by valve (such as now Valorant pro Jamppi and Fluxo player vsm), steel finally got unbanned, and s1mple was banned by ESL for cheating and became the best player ever. CS is an odd example for this one.
I think Camelogical could've sent the unedited footage to a moderator, just for the conformation purposes, and then upload a censored version publicly.
@@Flickstro fair point but it’s possible he still didn’t want to release his info to any stranger even if it was just one person. especially since the leaderboard had only been in existence for a little over a month - the moderators presumably weren’t widely known or necessarily as trustworthy as the moderators of a larger speedrun category. i still think he cheated, and i dont think that edited footage should be allowed on a leaderboard even without splicing or speeding up, but i also dont think that the fact he didnt do this was unreasonable, even in the face of controversy
@@baggedcoleslawyea but if your speed running for a world record then A be willing to trust a moderator to send that video to or B don’t have personal information in your recording no other record holder made errors like that, so even if there’s reasons for him not to send the unedited version to a moderator then if it’s legit he didn’t want it bad enough but lets be real players speed running things want it bad enough especially when you’ve apparently had thousands and thousands of attempts. it was 100% fake
@tommerriman2052 completely agree, i think he cheated, and shouldn't have had personal info up. but also the fact he didnt share unedited footage does not 'speak volumes' 👍
fusion reactors. debunking the big bang theory (james webb telescope also i know this point is not accurate its just a attention grabber) creation of plasmoids new superconductors. new superbatteries quantum computing possibly an internet based on quantum enanglement a fucking cure for cancer (debatable whether or not it already existed some 40+ years ago) and these are just to name a few.
I think it's hilarious that Disney shut down Club Penguin, and then had to do a bunch of work on in it the last few weeks of its existence in order to thwart these speedrun attempts.
Camelogical's put his run, legitimate or not, into immediate jeopardy by cheating during an earlier run. I don't think he should have been allowed to participate regardless as his honesty was already up in the air.
I just realized that I was a normal player during this who had no idea about the meme and just thought the game's community had gotten that bad. Yes, you could tell who the players were that were swearing in chat, as while there was a ban feature, there was no censoring of the words once said so other players could see everyone swearing.
I'm realizing now that the most optimal device for this to have been done on, may have been a touchscreen laptop running linux with a tiling window manager, or a window manager that allows you to stack windows and swap between them.
Especially with Linux's select + middle click for copy paste. Tipple clicking the mail then middle clicking in password and mail fields could have saved some time. And you could have set up an own mail server on you PC, allowing you to use arbitrary emails ending with your domain, running an CPU core in cycles just to get you that email as soon as your connection allows. Depending on the rules, you'd have to pass the result as part of a website, but that could still give you a significant edge.
it's not a "new rule change" to re-affirm that no, freshly installed web browsers do not come pre-loaded with bookmarks for club penguin and a temp email site. also, i'd be curious how much of an impact computer speed, internet speed, and browser cache state would have on the times
@@electricheartpony for a game (thus, lots of static, cacheable assets), cache state absolutely makes a bigger difference on load times than internet speed. If a file is present in your browser's local cache, it uses that copy, instead of downloading it from the server. Internet speed isn't relevant if the file is already on your computer.
@@spambot7110 the fresh browser would mean it doesn't have access to the cache or cookies. Therefore, only internet speed. I don't see hardware having issues with this game at all, so those would only really be slight differences.
might have been people pasting a prompt into PowerShell or Command Prompt to send an illegal request to the servers and then get IP banned from club penguin
I was literally about to go look for an unecessarily long video-essay about a niche topic to listen to while gaming and then I saw this in my sub box. Thank you good sir!
It's a testament to his impartiality that nobody, including me, realized that Skilloz was actually involved in the events he covered. My man didn't ever portray himself in a biased light.
This game only had censorship for English words at first. Many other nations were warzones because the cursewords were unknown to club pinguin. I remember the Dutch club penguin being hilarious with Dutch cursewords being much more offensive in comparison to English ones and people not getting banned for them.
There was so much more potential without violating the "like a fresh browser" rule: Setup mail server at home with a short domain name. Script button click on the "confirm your email" as soon as email arrives (with procmail, and command line java script engine, if needed). Use Windows hosts file to map the penguin game domain to a one letter domain instead.
I find it funny that when you were talking about Skilloz's Reddit post about how Camelogical's run was faked, I checked the channel name and I was like "Oh. Oh shit. It's the guy."
Skilloz referring himself in third person was funny. I clicked on the video, and didn't see who it was from. I only noticed now, after watching the whole thing
The fact that having "controversies" while speed running breaking a virtual pet site rules is hilarious to me. xD *We're breaking rules, you have to follow our method of breaking the rules!!!* (Idk how other speedruns works but this in particular just sounded hilarious) But also, imagine the last few minutes of the site being alive, and "F***" being the last word you read before it shuts down. :(
It's gotta be an incredible feeling to know that you came up with an idea for a speedrun, completed the first ever speedrun of it's kind, and within 2 days there's an entire community of people doing your speedrun, completing it in half the time, and finding new time skips the whole way along. I've never thought of using time skips in my web browser, but then I saw this video lol This is awesome. And hilarious. But mostly awesome.
You missed out on not explaining the "emails only arrive at 15 seconds past the minute" with an analogue about buses arriving on the stop only at certain times.
Did anyone try to save time by navigating pages using less mouse and more keyboard? E.g. tab to switch between page elements (such as checkboxes or text entry boxes). Just seems like keyboard should be faster and more consistent than moving the mouse around.
Every time I watch one of these speed run history videos the creator is always also one of the competitors and they always talk about themselves in the third person and I'm here for it lol
ill never get over how you always talk in the 3rd person in these videos, its great also camelogical cheated once so i dont understand how he was even able to run again it just doesnt make sense to me
This is my thoughts exactly! If you have a submission removed for altering the video for a time save all submissions should be voided regardless of validation.
@@UlimateSlayer Yea I mean maybe _years_ down the line, with time and evidence of like, personal growth, but. Not considering someone trustworthy less than a few months after they lie to my face lol
@@beastatfun That's... what I'm sayin? Like I watched the video, and I presume other people in the comments likewise did, and thus will have that context "Like a month" is in fact "less than a few months". What I'm saying here is that anything in that time range is kinda equally baffling to me
The timestamp is probably in unix-time and then converted to the users local time. However, windows by default uses network time protocol, which means a computer connected to the internet will have an accurate time down to split seconds. One would have to manually set their time to be inaccurate, or use an inaccurate network time provider. I don’t think you even can set the seconds yourself, you can probably only make up your own timezone with hours/minutes. As an end result, in both cases we should have: network time protocol defining the time down to a second, and users localisation settings determining the timezone used to display that time.
This is a solid documentary. I got to give all the accolades to author for compiling such a mesmerising soundtrack to the video! This actually was the starting point of my infatuation of Mitch Murder, thanks to the tunes from Abandonware mixtape used here. I fell in love with Mitch for good although I already knew who he was. But this video acquainted me with the greatness of his style, which resonates with me regardless of how many times i come back to his tracks. So keep up the good work and I appreciate you for your music taste!
Camelogical was just metagaming, he was trying to start a new category: Club Penguin banned% leaderboard, banned%. Next strat will be just submitting a video of him typing the word "fuck."
Even if we were to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume no cheating - where the heck did he save 4 seconds over the 2nd fastest time that was almost perfectly optimized and only had 0.5 seconds to squeeze out? Even if every single webpage loaded the same as the fastest splits ever that wouldn't create **4** more seconds of time save!
If Cameological's system clock was not in sync with the server clock, would that offset be consistent? If so you could look at previous runs (with system clock visible) and see whether there the server time and system clock are also offset by the same 8 seconds.
Clock skews usually happen because time "flows" at a different rate - so it might not be the case that you have the same clock skew (e.g. 8 seconds) at a previous point in time (it may have been 7 seconds, for example).
Over short periods, sure. But the reason clocks desync is that the clocks aren't perfect. They can speed up or slow down (by very small bits) over time. The only clocks that remain perfectly accurate are atomic clocks, which are what the time servers use, which then allows everyone else to synchronize. (And how you can synchronize your clock over a variable speed Internet connection is actually quite interesting, IMHO. I know I watched a video on it--maybe Computerphile).
Was thinking same yeah. 5 second offsets don't happen over a day, it would take longer. Millisecond differences can happen, but seconds not. Automatic time synchronization would also limit the maximum offsets to very small amounts. So his time syncs would need to be broken and similar offset visible in past videos.
So can't you compare the cheater's legit run to his WR claim, to see if his clock and the time that indicates when has his disposable email been sent, match? It should take the same amount of time in both videos, it be very coincidental that he just changed his clock time all of a sudden.
For the last guy’s runs… The thing to do would be to examine the time stamps of his prior runs in the same manner, where possible. If his PC wasn’t configured to sync time with an NTP server, a few seconds of drift is certainly possible. There was way too much bad armchair forensics that worked from bad understanding and assumptions. Oh well.
I don't think it would prove much because there was 1 month between his attempts. Even if the desinc was not there in a previous attempt, it could have been caused by a Windows update in the month between attempts.
Honestly, his attempts shouldn't have even been considered after he cheated the first time. The only way his run should be allowed is if he released the raw footage, which he pretended he would (but instead gave another edited version).
This is so much fun! I love how serious you are throughout the video and how much fun you and the other runners were having, and it's actually impressive, regardless if it's a meme run that's so short.
I'm surprised the only way people tried to get around the rules was to use bookmarks. An obvious one would be to change your hosts file to point "a" at club penguin and "b" at your email service so you don't have to type the whole address. You can also make a powershell script to add bannable text to your clipboard and assign it to a key shortcut.
One thing I'm thinking is: Wouldn't the a-word be shorter (and easier to type, since a and s are right next to each other) than the f-bomb, which is not only 4 letters long, but also requires going all over the keyboard?
I've seen this come up a lot so I figured I'd answer it. There are two reason why runners never did this. 1) The a-word actually wouldn't ban you. Only the more harsh/offensive words would end up banning you immediately after the first warning. 2) Even if it could ban you, it wouldn't matter. Runners type in the swear word and copy it while the game is loading. As long as you copy any swear word before the game loads, you don't gain or lose time. When the game loads, they spam ctrl+v which would paste whatever swear word they had copied previously.
Camelogical has officially been caught cheating. Analysis here: ua-cam.com/video/Haq8NdPVirs/v-deo.html
Bro cheated twice on a club penguin speed run. 💀
3 days ago lmao????
Groundbreaking analysis by skilloz
L bozo LOL
Cheats in other games aswell btw
How did Skilloz manage to do that? - Skilloz
Timestamp?
@@DazlMusic 21:45
I just noticed that now lol
@@DazlMusiches the youtuber
He's not salty about his record. Not at all.
I went the entire 50 minutes without realising SKILLOZ the actual speedrunner was the one doing this video. Oh my god.
SAME LMAO
I just realized this was a 50 minute video I just watched. 😂
My mind was blown when I realized I was 25 minutes into a 50 minute video on getting banned in a game that died years ago, and then again reading the comments and realizing this
he also did it in his blue yourself video
Yup, same here.
Getting banned from 10 minute mail is the funniest shit Ive seen all week
getting banned from 10 minute mail world record
lmaoo
it's the real ban speedrun
@@PastelLePanda Dude! That would be epic!
those throwaway email accounts are usually used for some hella dodgy shit. they must not be used to banning people
The narrotor seems to have pretty detailed information about Skilloz and his attempts...
it's kind of suspicious, maybe they're friends in real life.....
@dextivestudio2221I have 👀
This is Skilloz’s video. They’re referring to themselves in the 3rd person here
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo r/woooosh
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggoAre you sure?
Imagine playing club penguin you're at the hub place and a bunch of penguins keep spawning in saying "fuck" and then disappearing
The mental image of this happening made me laugh so hard that I got into a coughing fit man
This comment made me cry I am not joking
I figure the game would censor it. If it gets you banned, why wouldn't it?
@@exantiuse497 I remember seeing it go through before getting banned lol you'd think though
@@exantiuse497the game allowed users to use your email as a password... devs weren't very smart. Definitely could be the case lol
Skilloz talking about himself in third person is always the funniest thing to me. great video!
i didn't even realize this guy was skilloz until 45 minutes in lmao
@@Jake28i didn’t realize until i was basically finished
why did he do this? i would have found it cooler if he was refering to himself in the video, i mean he deserves to.
@@K0LBIE It can seem a bit pretentious and it's also just funnier to act like you're an outsider. Another speedrunning youtuber "Msushi" also does this sometimes
Imagine if everyone started to do that.. Although Net lag wouldn't be the first one to do it though
holy shit, did no one check the raw footage. his raw had him taking about 6 seconds logging in (45 seconds to 51 seconds) before getting banned while his wr submission had him taking about 2 seconds (45 seconds to 47 seconds). how did no one call him out on this. i didn't accurately time it but seemed like he just missed the world record and spliced it.
I decided to compare the two, and wow, you are correct. I have no idea how that wasn't caught before. Thanks for bringing this up. I'll pass this off to the Club Penguin speedrun moderators.
Hey, do you mind joining my Discord server temporarily? (link in the description of the video). Just wanted to ask you a few question about this.
@@Skilloz sure
👍
This is a legendary comment. Just wanted to say that I was here.
Man, controversy and a faked world record within a day old meme category? They really were speedrunning the progression of a speedrun.
I know!!! Right?!
Guess thats what happens when the game is close to being shut down, everything speeds up
@@lssjgaming1599 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The thing that stands out to me about the contentious run is why he didn't just show the Skype/Discord windows with some smaller boxes edited over names and such. When you omit information, you have to be clear about what information was omitted, and not have a giant box covering half the screen.
It also didn't help that he'd already cheated, previously
This is my take. Whether or not he did cheat in that second run (personally I don't think we have enough information to say) he'd already lost the benefit of the doubt by actually cheating the first time.
Watch Petscop lol
@@Estarile It's also extremely inconsistent, why would he not have cared before about leaking his discord and steam page but on his literal world record run he edited what he had basically already shown? You can't tell me that is not fishy as hell
@@mr_confuse Skype may show their real name though, which would be a good enough reason to hide the window. I can see the reason why you would put a big box instead of little boxes if you don’t want to track the windows during the fade-in/fade-out of the transition.
Also like the person on reddit said, he should have considered these things before the speed run. You’re literally planning everything careful and overoptimising everything, but you didn’t think to remove your other tabs? Why? You didn’t need them
11:41 and then the category of "Banned From Ban%" was born but thats another story that we may cover in a future video
which undoubtedly leads to “Banned From Banned From Ban%”
The irony of the "record holder" being banned from a Banned% Speedrun
For Camel, being banned once isn’t enough…
I have to admire the guy who was ballsy enough to try and cheat the same way twice
Yeah. His balls are as big as the sun itself.
I might admire the balls, but the lack of intelligence cancels it out with the reverse.
shoulda just edited the clock smh
Y'know, speaking of how things aren't the same as six years ago: I wonder if any analytical AI exists yet to determine if a video was edited.
But I agree: I have no doubt he tampered with his run capture *again*.
I love how absolutely no one is considering what Club Penguin itself thinks of all these ephemeral penguins coming in and saying fuck and immediately dying.
Dude is terrible at cheating lol. Covering the clock after it gave him away the first time... real subtle. I can't believe he wasn't banned after his first illegitimate submission
Honestly yeah, even if it's not 100% provable that camelogical cheated in the last one just the fact that he did before is enough to delegitimize any of his runs imo
Edit: Wait, I'm stupid. Camelogical's raw footage video is 20 seconds longer, meaning he sped up his final wr video or spliced it somewhere. Keeping my rant below, though.
Camelogical definitely did cheat in the first run, but in the last one I think they played legit. The box covering the time was probably just an accident, since it also covers the rest of that side of the screen, and when they were asked to remove it, they did. If I was about to post a last minute world record speedrun that would never be contested, and I noticed I had information on there I didn't want getting out, I'd try to censor it too.
@@sleepingtablep3you’re Camelogical huh?
Dude, this is a speedrun of getting banned from a kids game. What else did you expect?. This is the bottom barrel of the human race
@@youbluethatone1017 yeah, thats, me,
So you've got a guy who was definitively caught cheating putting a super suspicious video up right at the last second... and there's even a question? Even if he earned it, that's the burden you carry for being dishonest - it's just like crying wolf. Your integrity is literally the only thing you can never truly take back once broken. Camelogical got the reception he earned by lying and being deceitful.
This is the definitive answer. There are some things you just can't do once it's discovered that you don't play by the rules. You can't work in a school if you abused a kid. You can't work in a retail shop if you stole something. And you can't speedrun a game that you've already been caught cheating in.
MAYBE if he had kept his webcam on from start the finish, or did the runs on a live stream (again, with webcam on), then MAYBE he could have redeemed himself. But he didn't. All he did was learn how to edit his faked videos better. That was his only goal.
@@B3Band Yep, all this exactly, I'm honestly not sure why he wasn't outright banned the first time he cheated
But doesn't he now hold the Banned % World Record for Banned % Club Penguin Speedruns?
When he first mentioned Skilloz, I was like "oh I swear I've heard that name before, isn't he a speedrunner for other games too?" and then I checked the uploader lmao
It's completely bizarre that a cheater didn't get banned for submitting a fake run.
Yeah. I don’t really care about his run. His character is discredited and it’s his own fault. Cheaters need time outs! And although those shouldn’t be lifelong, imho, this analogy still stands: It‘s like getting a VAC ban in CS and then becoming the best player ever - you‘re still vac banned; you‘re irrelevant, since you‘re out of the framework. You ain’t get those skins back!
@@TomJakobW There have been a few pros who were VAC banned but were unbanned by valve (such as now Valorant pro Jamppi and Fluxo player vsm), steel finally got unbanned, and s1mple was banned by ESL for cheating and became the best player ever. CS is an odd example for this one.
They didn't want to give him the WR for speedrunning Banned% from Banned% Club Penguin speedruns.
I think Camelogical could've sent the unedited footage to a moderator, just for the conformation purposes, and then upload a censored version publicly.
That would've been the right thing to do if his run was legit and he had nothing to hide. The fact this didn't happen speaks volumes.
@@Flickstro fair point but it’s possible he still didn’t want to release his info to any stranger even if it was just one person. especially since the leaderboard had only been in existence for a little over a month - the moderators presumably weren’t widely known or necessarily as trustworthy as the moderators of a larger speedrun category. i still think he cheated, and i dont think that edited footage should be allowed on a leaderboard even without splicing or speeding up, but i also dont think that the fact he didnt do this was unreasonable, even in the face of controversy
@@baggedcoleslawyea but if your speed running for a world record then A be willing to trust a moderator to send that video to or B don’t have personal information in your recording no other record holder made errors like that, so even if there’s reasons for him not to send the unedited version to a moderator then if it’s legit he didn’t want it bad enough but lets be real players speed running things want it bad enough especially when you’ve apparently had thousands and thousands of attempts. it was 100% fake
@tommerriman2052 completely agree, i think he cheated, and shouldn't have had personal info up. but also the fact he didnt share unedited footage does not 'speak volumes' 👍
Born too late to make any important discoveries
Born too early to explore the universe
Born just in time for Club Penguin Banned% speedruns
fusion reactors.
debunking the big bang theory (james webb telescope also i know this point is not accurate its just a attention grabber)
creation of plasmoids
new superconductors.
new superbatteries
quantum computing
possibly an internet based on quantum enanglement
a fucking cure for cancer (debatable whether or not it already existed some 40+ years ago)
and these are just to name a few.
No, probably born too late for that too.
I think it's hilarious that Disney shut down Club Penguin, and then had to do a bunch of work on in it the last few weeks of its existence in order to thwart these speedrun attempts.
it seems like such a waste of time, energy and money for them to try to stop the speedrunning. like, why not just leave it alone
I doubt Disney cared or was actually trying to stop speedrunners
"a runner by the name of skilloz"
Camelogical's put his run, legitimate or not, into immediate jeopardy by cheating during an earlier run. I don't think he should have been allowed to participate regardless as his honesty was already up in the air.
on the blue yourslef record i fell victim to how did skilloz do this by skilloz, not this time tho, i was ready
I just realized that I was a normal player during this who had no idea about the meme and just thought the game's community had gotten that bad. Yes, you could tell who the players were that were swearing in chat, as while there was a ban feature, there was no censoring of the words once said so other players could see everyone swearing.
Oh nooooo 😂❤
What the hell. Finished the video and did not realize this guy was talking in 3rd person the whole time. Great job man 🔥🔥🔥🔥
SAME
I'm realizing now that the most optimal device for this to have been done on, may have been a touchscreen laptop running linux with a tiling window manager, or a window manager that allows you to stack windows and swap between them.
Funny how Linux has a penguin too
@@EvilSantaTheTrue And it could've been a fox
Nah, keyboard shortcuts would've been faster.
Especially with Linux's select + middle click for copy paste. Tipple clicking the mail then middle clicking in password and mail fields could have saved some time.
And you could have set up an own mail server on you PC, allowing you to use arbitrary emails ending with your domain, running an CPU core in cycles just to get you that email as soon as your connection allows. Depending on the rules, you'd have to pass the result as part of a website, but that could still give you a significant edge.
it's not a "new rule change" to re-affirm that no, freshly installed web browsers do not come pre-loaded with bookmarks for club penguin and a temp email site.
also, i'd be curious how much of an impact computer speed, internet speed, and browser cache state would have on the times
For this type of run, it's more internet speed I'd believe!
@@electricheartpony for a game (thus, lots of static, cacheable assets), cache state absolutely makes a bigger difference on load times than internet speed. If a file is present in your browser's local cache, it uses that copy, instead of downloading it from the server. Internet speed isn't relevant if the file is already on your computer.
@@spambot7110 they required incognito mode which ignores all cached data last I checked. So, each page needs to be downloaded.
when you install a new browser it will try to import data from other browsers already in your pc, including bookmarks
@@spambot7110 the fresh browser would mean it doesn't have access to the cache or cookies. Therefore, only internet speed. I don't see hardware having issues with this game at all, so those would only really be slight differences.
Why do I feel sad to see all these poor innocent virtual penguins being smote from their virtual existence for funzies?
let the penguins speakk
@@LilacMonarch All they do is swear though. I am in favour of banning them.
Honestly, I was hoping that the speedrunning technique was going to require being banned for saying "cabbage"
being smitten*
@@vOddy75 adjusted.
This video was really impartial. So impartial infact that I didn't even know you were Skilloz. Great job presenting it!
I'm sad there was never a TAS category for Banned%
Pretty sure there was. EZScape covered it in his cool tases vid (I think)
ua-cam.com/video/OALbVKuJm60/v-deo.htmlsi=0kcPps35vjmIjUaA
might have been people pasting a prompt into PowerShell or Command Prompt to send an illegal request to the servers and then get IP banned from club penguin
*sees Skilloz directly involved in a category he's covering*
"HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS."
Jokes aside, good stuff!
I was literally about to go look for an unecessarily long video-essay about a niche topic to listen to while gaming and then I saw this in my sub box. Thank you good sir!
It's a testament to his impartiality that nobody, including me, realized that Skilloz was actually involved in the events he covered. My man didn't ever portray himself in a biased light.
This game only had censorship for English words at first. Many other nations were warzones because the cursewords were unknown to club pinguin. I remember the Dutch club penguin being hilarious with Dutch cursewords being much more offensive in comparison to English ones and people not getting banned for them.
I didn't even look to see who made this until after the fact, makes this video even funnier
There was so much more potential without violating the "like a fresh browser" rule: Setup mail server at home with a short domain name. Script button click on the "confirm your email" as soon as email arrives (with procmail, and command line java script engine, if needed). Use Windows hosts file to map the penguin game domain to a one letter domain instead.
this was done with such little to no bias i had no idea this was one of the speed runners. thank you for the integrity
This skilloz guy is pretty good, not only does he have the blue yourself WR but he’s also good at ban%! I wonder who he is!
Love the legacy you're cementing as the SummoningSalt of meme categories. Also better journalistic integrity than some news outlets.
... than *most* news outlets.
I love your speedrun history essays! Always interesting and strangely unbiased comsidering your proximity
Somewhere, Summoning Salt is cursing your name and tossing out months of work, lol
My man lives talking about himself in the 3rd person
Totally forgot how hysterical we were about that category back then. Also getting banned from 10min mail is epic.
Another legendary video from Skilloz himself. This is so good - keep it up man!
I find it funny that when you were talking about Skilloz's Reddit post about how Camelogical's run was faked, I checked the channel name and I was like "Oh. Oh shit. It's the guy."
That email site probably thought wtf is going on with all the traffic 😂
Skilloz referring himself in third person was funny. I clicked on the video, and didn't see who it was from. I only noticed now, after watching the whole thing
The fact that having "controversies" while speed running breaking a virtual pet site rules is hilarious to me. xD
*We're breaking rules, you have to follow our method of breaking the rules!!!*
(Idk how other speedruns works but this in particular just sounded hilarious)
But also, imagine the last few minutes of the site being alive, and "F***" being the last word you read before it shuts down. :(
I mean, the site wouldnt display it to others...
It's gotta be an incredible feeling to know that you came up with an idea for a speedrun, completed the first ever speedrun of it's kind, and within 2 days there's an entire community of people doing your speedrun, completing it in half the time, and finding new time skips the whole way along.
I've never thought of using time skips in my web browser, but then I saw this video lol
This is awesome. And hilarious. But mostly awesome.
You missed out on not explaining the "emails only arrive at 15 seconds past the minute" with an analogue about buses arriving on the stop only at certain times.
summoning salt mentioned
me trying to get my family to watch this: “May I interest you in a 50-minute video about people trying to say ‘fuck’ in a children’s game?”
That Skilloz fella seemed to have done a fair amount for this community, you could've improved this documentary a lot by interviewing him :P
Did anyone try to save time by navigating pages using less mouse and more keyboard? E.g. tab to switch between page elements (such as checkboxes or text entry boxes). Just seems like keyboard should be faster and more consistent than moving the mouse around.
When I saw the "Skilloz Production" at the end I did the biggest double take of my life. Really great video.
11:32 Banned from a banned-speedrunning category
*The true genius*
Every time I watch one of these speed run history videos the creator is always also one of the competitors and they always talk about themselves in the third person and I'm here for it lol
ill never get over how you always talk in the 3rd person in these videos, its great
also camelogical cheated once so i dont understand how he was even able to run again it just doesnt make sense to me
This is my thoughts exactly! If you have a submission removed for altering the video for a time save all submissions should be voided regardless of validation.
@@UlimateSlayer Yea I mean maybe _years_ down the line, with time and evidence of like, personal growth, but. Not considering someone trustworthy less than a few months after they lie to my face lol
@@something-from-elsewhereit was like a month
@@beastatfun That's... what I'm sayin? Like I watched the video, and I presume other people in the comments likewise did, and thus will have that context
"Like a month" is in fact "less than a few months". What I'm saying here is that anything in that time range is kinda equally baffling to me
The timestamp is probably in unix-time and then converted to the users local time. However, windows by default uses network time protocol, which means a computer connected to the internet will have an accurate time down to split seconds. One would have to manually set their time to be inaccurate, or use an inaccurate network time provider. I don’t think you even can set the seconds yourself, you can probably only make up your own timezone with hours/minutes.
As an end result, in both cases we should have: network time protocol defining the time down to a second, and users localisation settings determining the timezone used to display that time.
The surprise at the end that you're one of the runners was amazing lmao. Great vid!
This is a solid documentary. I got to give all the accolades to author for compiling such a mesmerising soundtrack to the video! This actually was the starting point of my infatuation of Mitch Murder, thanks to the tunes from Abandonware mixtape used here. I fell in love with Mitch for good although I already knew who he was. But this video acquainted me with the greatness of his style, which resonates with me regardless of how many times i come back to his tracks. So keep up the good work and I appreciate you for your music taste!
Camelogical was just metagaming, he was trying to start a new category: Club Penguin banned% leaderboard, banned%.
Next strat will be just submitting a video of him typing the word "fuck."
Can't even say fuck in the privacy of your own home without the ban police getting on you.
ah, another amazing video by Skilloz
imagine cheating on to speedrun a meme game in a meme category
I didn’t realize this was posted by skilloz until the end of the video, very well done video!!
hey, it's me! didn't even know I was on top for a bit tbh, that's pretty funny :) thanks for bringing back the memories, happy 18th Club Penguin
That one "Monkey spins and disappears" video, except it is just "Penguin says F*&k and disappears"
Man realy said Jiff...
Summoning Salt needs to up his game if he wants to keep up with this magnum opus of speedrun history.
Even if we were to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume no cheating - where the heck did he save 4 seconds over the 2nd fastest time that was almost perfectly optimized and only had 0.5 seconds to squeeze out? Even if every single webpage loaded the same as the fastest splits ever that wouldn't create **4** more seconds of time save!
If Cameological's system clock was not in sync with the server clock, would that offset be consistent?
If so you could look at previous runs (with system clock visible) and see whether there the server time and system clock are also offset by the same 8 seconds.
Clock skews usually happen because time "flows" at a different rate - so it might not be the case that you have the same clock skew (e.g. 8 seconds) at a previous point in time (it may have been 7 seconds, for example).
Over short periods, sure. But the reason clocks desync is that the clocks aren't perfect. They can speed up or slow down (by very small bits) over time.
The only clocks that remain perfectly accurate are atomic clocks, which are what the time servers use, which then allows everyone else to synchronize. (And how you can synchronize your clock over a variable speed Internet connection is actually quite interesting, IMHO. I know I watched a video on it--maybe Computerphile).
Was thinking same yeah. 5 second offsets don't happen over a day, it would take longer. Millisecond differences can happen, but seconds not. Automatic time synchronization would also limit the maximum offsets to very small amounts. So his time syncs would need to be broken and similar offset visible in past videos.
Record at 1m30s
Guy gets 1m09s
Splices it down to 1m08s
👑👑👑
What meme/niche speedrun would you like to see me cover in the future? Comment your suggestion below!
Blue Yourself Custom Items 💀
More Mario Kart games is always interesting. Super Mario 64 is a good speedrunner as well.
Mr Krabs overdoses on Ketamine and Dies is a fun speedrun to check out.
Frozen: Double Trouble
Scooby Doo: First Frights on the DS/Wii
Cheeting in the speedrun where you say 'fuck" in Club Penguin is wild
POV: I get a little too silly on Club Penguin. good video skilloz
So can't you compare the cheater's legit run to his WR claim, to see if his clock and the time that indicates when has his disposable email been sent, match?
It should take the same amount of time in both videos, it be very coincidental that he just changed his clock time all of a sudden.
you'd need the clock to flip over to the next minute, which since runs are under a minute might not always be possible.
Why bother, he already cheated once, and never even admitted to it. Should be banned from further attempts unless they're livestreamed.
For the last guy’s runs… The thing to do would be to examine the time stamps of his prior runs in the same manner, where possible. If his PC wasn’t configured to sync time with an NTP server, a few seconds of drift is certainly possible.
There was way too much bad armchair forensics that worked from bad understanding and assumptions. Oh well.
I don't think it would prove much because there was 1 month between his attempts. Even if the desinc was not there in a previous attempt, it could have been caused by a Windows update in the month between attempts.
Honestly, his attempts shouldn't have even been considered after he cheated the first time. The only way his run should be allowed is if he released the raw footage, which he pretended he would (but instead gave another edited version).
I didn't even notice Skilloz was the author of this video till about halfway through. Shit's so funny 😂
the biggest plot twist was at 47:45 when i tabbed back in and saw that the person narrating it was Skilloz himself
Ngl I expected club penguin to be the kind of website that prevents you from using the same thing in email and password
dank percent in oot would be interesting. great video! :)
The blurring of fuck in chat is the funniest shit to me
Ah yes, a man's speedrun. I didn't know it at the time, but this category was my introduction to speedrunning
theres something comedically tragic about all those penguin accounts being welcomed to their new homes before promptly being eradicated from existence
So happy to see another great video from you buddy! And as I expected its top notch! Amazing job! Wish you all the best 🥳
this dude got me laughin, milestone achievement for coverin himself like he don't know him
what an incredible documentary about the greatest competitive sport of our time
Solid gold comedy! 😂🏅👍 Rooting for your success!
The algorithm has blessed me with this timeless masterpiece. 🙏🏅🙌 Great job, keep it up!
Bro the fact that someone cheated this is hysterical
Extremely pathetic
This is so much fun! I love how serious you are throughout the video and how much fun you and the other runners were having, and it's actually impressive, regardless if it's a meme run that's so short.
At 11:07 there's a short jif playing right next to the jroup of people. But jokes aside, the video is pretty jreat!
Camelogical was trully the villain of club penguin ban speedrun
I'm surprised the only way people tried to get around the rules was to use bookmarks. An obvious one would be to change your hosts file to point "a" at club penguin and "b" at your email service so you don't have to type the whole address. You can also make a powershell script to add bannable text to your clipboard and assign it to a key shortcut.
11:45 "Ironically banned from the banned% leaderboard" That's hilarious
One thing I'm thinking is: Wouldn't the a-word be shorter (and easier to type, since a and s are right next to each other) than the f-bomb, which is not only 4 letters long, but also requires going all over the keyboard?
I've seen this come up a lot so I figured I'd answer it. There are two reason why runners never did this.
1) The a-word actually wouldn't ban you. Only the more harsh/offensive words would end up banning you immediately after the first warning.
2) Even if it could ban you, it wouldn't matter. Runners type in the swear word and copy it while the game is loading. As long as you copy any swear word before the game loads, you don't gain or lose time. When the game loads, they spam ctrl+v which would paste whatever swear word they had copied previously.
@@Skillozboth points are fair. It's insane the level of thought that went into a "meme run" lol. Thanks so much for the info!
or the three letter f word
The fact they even let a known cheater still submit runs in THE SAME GAME AND CATEGORY perplexes me.
This is the most ridiculous speed run category I have ever seen and I fucking love it lol.
Imagine if the end of days was people materializing from thin air, shouting “FUCK!”, and suddenly disappearing.
Love the video! I personally think it’s okay to talk about yourself in the first person though. Just my input! Looking forward to more