@@qeditz1547 You clearly don't understand jojo's then, wou manipulates all laws of logic in the universe. HOWEVER, due to go beyond existing outside of the dimension wou has control over, it could hit him.
@@qeditz1547 go beyond TRANSENDS logic thats why wou wasnt able to detect it also as the video said brain damage of a heart attack would be a instant death for gojo
Don’t forget, calamity energy also makes all those misfortunate events lethal. Rain can pierce bodies, being bumped into by a car could shatter your bones and cripple you. Explosive diarrhea could literally make you explode
@@Banduke-nf2mdthat becomes the balls get twisted so fast that as they get ripped by the sheer velocity, the skin catches fire and… well that’s not pretty. Not to mention the massive blood loss and pain… Yikes
Wonder of U is seriously lowballed in this video.WoU activates instantly upon any attempt to 'pursue' Tooru, the Head Doctor. Pursuit includes actions as simple as chasing, fighting, or even thinking about confronting him. The mere sight of Tooru's face triggers an immediate calamity that results in certain death, as shown by the death of characters like Poor Tom when he tried to reach Tooru and his head was shattered by an unexplained collision. Wonder of U's power operates independently, without Tooru's command. It can cause diseases to accelerate, sudden neck-breaking fatalities, spontaneous explosions, and the guarantee of unfortunate events leading to death, repeatedly rendered items and technology useless, induced illness in people near Tooru, redirected attackers' own strikes to harm teammates, caused infrastructure to suddenly collapse, made individuals hit themselves with their own attacks, forced opponents to miss attacks, even at point-blank range, and has caused minor wounds to become dramatically worse. The Endless Calamity's potential is nearly infinite, capable of orchestrating indirect deaths through a series of interconnected events, even spanning decades. Even if Tooru is defeated, Wonder of U continues to exist, affecting anyone who still pursues it. It does have some weaknesses, such as requiring pursuit to activate. Actions that don't count as 'pursuing' or 'attacking' can approach Tooru without triggering the calamity. Abilities transcending its logic, like the Spin, can harm Tooru but won't prevent the pursuers from being affected. Wonder of U's abilities are busted, Gojo doesn't have any abilities that would transcend a universal concept. So at best, Gojo is holding out for a few minutes before calamity decides to make him spontaneously explode.
I would also like to add on how WoU is practically a primordial entity, his ability being so disruptive I’d even consider him a mid-tier chaos manipulator with the attributes of: Disaster manipulation Discord/anarchy manipulation Distortion manipulation Probability manipulation Weather manipulation Matter manipulation Karmic retribution Randomness manipulation Causality manipulation Biology manipulation Misfortune inducement Intangibility Duplication Reality warping Omniscience
nah only one person has gotten1 centimetre to toru and even if toru dies wonder of u still exists and wonder of u activates once gojo tries to pursue him and in the flow of calamity no one can attack him and wonder of you only lost because soft and wet go beyond can destroy concepts and to my knowledge gojo can not do that so gojo will lose
His 6 eyes and brain has to be cleared before he dies unless the stomach-brain CE flow connection is cut but poison is unRCT healing unless you can bc you try hard enough
Gojo: "Ill just use hollow purple and it will be able to break through its protective abi- WOU: *Summons multiple Sukunas via dimensional tear that oppened because Gappy tripped on one of his 4 balls*
Exactly, WoU works so randomly that anything that can go wrong will go wrong when you fight him. 💀 Edit: Also, surely Gojo can defend using Infinity, but one wrong step can harm him, he surely can't touch something as well. How can Infinity defend Gojo if he himself is stepping/touching a stationary object?
Not a debate, gojo loses this. You can't get rid of calamity, for you to beat calamity you need to ascend above logic and reasoning which gojo is clearly bound by (laws of nature), and if he manages to kill tooru (which is highly unlikely), calamity will keep existing. The effects of calamity can make a pencil hitting gojo be as impactful as a mahoraga attack whilst nullifying his infinity the same or even worse and the damages increases over time.
I mean Gojo's purple technically transcends logic since it proves the existence of tachyons. It is a contentious topic but in depends on how you scale it. Also if you wonder how sukuna was able to survive purple, it was probably because of DA and the distance of purple.
only problem with Wonder of U's calamity is that they would happen at the speed that they normal will happen. As soon as the first brain cancer or any diseased cell takes shape: RCT. And other things that will start outside of Gojo's body will just be blocked or slowed down by his infinity. And things really don't know if they have approached Gojo yet. So by logic of calamities, the "forces of nature" will probably "think" they already got Gojo and stops trying.
I think there are two main things here that people don't seem to understand. The first is the nature of Wonder of U's attacks. Wonder of U doesn't just 'make a bad thing happen' (eg. teleport a star in front of you) it is clearly shown to defy all conventional logic in its effects. A drop of rain creates something akin to a bullet wound and a leaf cuts someone's finger cleanly off. I don't think that arguments about 'amount of power' are relevant here, the calamities Wonder of U causes clearly aren't about 'how they do something' but 'that they do it' (it's not that the leaves were really sharp but that they were leaves that cut peoples fingers off). Also if Gojo used an ability it could probably be made to fail and backfire, making this a moot point. The second is the nature of Wonder of U's defences. Firstly, Wonder of U can exist without its user so just killing them is not effective. Secondly, Wonder of U is described as a "natural law of calamity" and can very clearly only be destroyed by things outside the world's 'logic'. Gojo does not possess attacks which operate like this so he is unable to kill Wonder of U (a common response here is to mention Gojo's 'Purple' as it is described as producing 'imaginary mass' but to me this is framed as more or a mathematical 'imaginary number mass' instead of a 'does not exist mass' meaning it would likely not work). I think the main cause of these misunderstandings is the difference in how power is presented in both series'. Power in Jujutsu Kaisen is a relatively traditional form of power, being more akin to energy or force (stronger people make bigger boom). In JJBA on the other hand, the 'energy' power levels are rather low, stronger people having more 'conceptual' power (stronger people invalidate all attacks from weaker people). This causes issues with the most powerful characters in JJBA as they possess abilities which make them undefeatable by normal means but end up looking very similar in 'energy' power to characters who do not possess this property (eg. The World, King Crimson, Made in Heaven, and maybe D4C: Love Train would probably lose but Gold Experience Requiem would likely win). TL;DR Gojo is strong but Wonder of U's offensive and defensive properties cannot be mitigated without surpassing the 'logic' of the world, something which Gojo cannot do.
@@goran5844 I think it’s one of those stands that’s meant to exist regardless of the reset. It’s calamity/fate so as long as there’s that logic then the stand can never really die. While the user is gone, the stand existed by itself for some time so it’s not unreasonable to assume it can come back without its user.
Wonder of U has infinite range and pursues you endlessly even after the user is dead; it manipulates both logic and fate, which is also another Universal law/constant in the JoJoverse; in fact, you could argue that calamity is an aspect of fate and once targeted by it you are fated to die. You forgot to mention that Wonder of U could only be destroyed by Soft and Wet Go Beyond; i.e a bubble that exists outside of the logic of reality thereby causing Wonder of U's ability to be ineffective; Mamezuku explains that the bubbles "do not exist in this world". Even if Gojo does kill Tooru there is literally no chance for him to destroy the post-mortem form of Wonder of U since he would have to destroy the concept of calamity itself. There is basically no way Gojo wins because as stated he doesn't have access to an ability like Soft and Wet Go Beyond; all of his abilities are bound by reality. The only way I can see it is if you make the argument that purple is an imaginary attack and thereby is not bound by the laws of the Universe; i.e Yuki creating imaginary masses with her ability, but even that is tricky considering imaginary masses are consistent with our interpretation of the quantum physics and are only a different aspect of what we perceive to be "laws and constants" of our Universe. EDIT : I want to add that my interpretation of Go Beyond is an ability that cannot be affected calamity; meaning that is beyond logic and fate of the JoJoverse : it is unaffected by the flow of calamity the manipulation of logic and fate itself.
@@lordquastheonlyYes I gave my reasons on why I believe that Hollow Purple is not the same as Go Beyond however you could also interpret the imaginary mass to be like Go Beyond so I would say agree to disagree. It’s just how you view Mamazuku’s statement.
@@i.m.crazee5195 If hollow Purple was truly and absolutely not bound by laws and physics it would be bypass durability of characters since it even bypasses Gojo's Limitless barrier (chapter-235) but even characters like Sukuna and Hanami have gotten hit by this attack and instead of disappearing, they tanked it with curse energy durability Gojo also tanked his own Hollow Purple Nuke because apparently its his own curse energy so it doesn't do much damage to him [SOFT & WET : GO BEYOND] literally does not follow any logic and does not exist in reality. it cannot be perceived, it doesn't follow linear flow of time, complete negates durability
While IHollow purple has the ability to erase a person or item from existence, in this case the stand user. I don’t think it can erase concepts, nor does it travel FTL. If we’re using tachyons, they probably move FTL within the Hollow purple ball, but if itself was FTL, JJK speed scaling becomes nutty. I do however think it bypasses durability. I admit Hanami should have been OTK’d because he was clearly in the blast zone, but he wasn’t. I’ll cope a bit and say it wasn’t a direct hit, and Gojo sorta missed but this aside: the only way to negate hollow purple is to also have cursed energy. It’s a CT that is a delete button, but it is fueled by cursed energy. If you have enough cursed energy you can counter it or survive. If you don’t have Cursed energy to match Gojo’s output, it is a delete button. But not an existence eraser. A reality warper does exist in JJK though, but Takaba isn’t explored too much yet so Idk how he’d fare. Jojo stands in general can get almost godlike in the dumbest ways so I’m not sure takaba how well he’d do
Why are people still going on about hollow purple being existence erasure that’s been debunked ever since sukuna tanked it and the latest chapter we see sukuna again survive a point blank purple explosion. As for the kenjaku and yuki statement the only reason kenjaku survived was due to yujis moms gravity CT that was the perfect counter to yukis mass CT
That hasn't really been debunked as the only thing that seems to be able to stop purple is domain amplification. At least it hasn't been said that anything else can stop purple. Domain amp basically creates a domain without a technique imbued around your body and absorbs incoming techniques. It's not tanking it I don't think.
Sukuna never tanked it. What he did was negate most of it with Domain Amplification just like he did with Gojo's Red. That is why only his hands were destroyed.
@@khulmach9662 that still doesn’t matter when people are straight up still saying purple is existence erasure which it isn’t. Even if DA is used just touching it in general should flat out erase you based on what people are still saying in the community and even in this video
@@PhantomEmperor Were Sukuna's hands not destroyed, they were a completely mess. Even if Purple is not Existence eraser, its still an imaginary mass of opposing concepts of infinity that is impossible to exist without the 6-eyes. Wonder of U gets hit by Hollow Purple and its game over. No different from the bubble spinning infinitely.
wonder of u is a concept until gojo can destroy concepts he aint winning + he manipulates logic which is shown in jojolion to include: space, time and fate manipulation. so infinity aint doing nothing. plus if the stand user dies then wou still exists. + wou can literally manipulate abilities aswell
@@jackaboynaylor9273 The bubble from Gappy is supposed to be non-existent it is a thing that is imaginary and does not exist wym. That's literally the point of it; it isn't bound by logic.
It's like told random guy to jump in lava with latex The lava is deadly but did nothing And the random guy just killed himself by made a contact with lava
@@nathanroberts9482 not outer ig maybe hyper, outer scaling deals with plot manipulation and meta and ortho structures, you can say WoU is a nigh-meta structure but I think it is not because it obeys to laws of "stands" so yeah
@@LordTevleafwell it obey law of stand as avatar Calamity itself can't never truly be destroyed This state by gappy after get go beyond It can't be destroyed didn't mean it can't be defeated as gappy did
what's funny is that idk why gojo fans still don't understand that hollow purple is just a positive and negative magnets that is combined. and that creates a FORCE, which means the idea of a force (i.e magnets) are inside the understanding of logic, and WoU ability goes beyond reasoning and logic
How to powerscale WoU: If it obeys logic in *ANY* WAY, WoU will make it turn on you. As seen with how Calamity killed Johnny and his stand, Tusk Act 4 (which uses the power of infinite rotation), Infinity is subject to Calamity. The only way i believe Gojo could win this fight is if he used Hollow Purple, as in a way, it is similar to Soft & Wet: Go Beyond, the only ability that could harm Wonder of U. Though this is a technicality and might not play out correctly. This whole fight is probably the most up to speculation fight I've ever seen, though I think Wonder of U would be the winner 90% of the time.
Imaginary doesn’t mean Beyond Logic. Gojo is still bound by the laws of the universe, the rules of cursed energy, how he wouldn’t even be able to see WOU. Hollow Purple being an existence eraser implies the universe is using its logic to give that thing existence initially. Where as Concepts like Calamity are intangible, they are still in the bounds of logic, but cannot realistically exist in a physical form, as everything that could come under as a calamity is incomprehensible, which is what makes WOU so powerful. Gojo could theoretically cause damage with hollow purple on WOU, but Go Beyond could flick out one bubble to ruin Gojos entire bag.
For the last time.. THE WONDER OF U DID NOT KILL JOHNNY! The spin caused the Ginko tree leaves to gain a stand, and that stand sent that boulder to kill Johnny.
@@laravioliiii2832 How is what you described happened to Johnny not a calamity tho?😂 The entire story of jojolion was about breaking a curse (Calamity). Wonder of u is essentially the main villain of the entire story itself since it's the literal manifestation of misfortune. Johnny was killed by the Calamity but the bullet he shot at his son caused the series of events necessary for Josuke to be born as the perfect counter and destroy wonder of u. As described in steel ball run, Tusk Act 4's bullets will always reach it's target, it may take a detour but it will reach its destination. When Johnny shot his son he was shooting Calamity (The curse or misfortune) and eventually through Josuke it reached its target.
@@trinityt1194 Calamity has always existed. Tooru's ability isn't to create Calamity, it's too control it. So yes, he did die to a calamity, but it wasn't caused by Wonder of U.
Honestly, its either a stalemate, or Gojo loses. There's no real way for Gojo to kill Wonder of U completely. Calamity will exist even after the physical body of Wonder of U dies. There IS a way to kill Gojo, even if it's not readily available for Wonder of U. But at some point, one way or another, Gojo will die to calamity.
Yea thats ridiculous.. gojos limitless would stop everything thrown at him, it doesnt just stop curse techniques lol and his rct, as far as poison goes, we have no actual proof yet that he cant heal from it, he just couldnt as a teen.. with recent developments i highly doubt he couldnt deal with anything wonder of u has to offer..
21:08 Also, it doesn't have to be 0.2 seconds. Gojo only did 0.2 seconds of his domain in Shibuya because people were all around him and their brains would become mush. And since in this scenario he's walking around the ruins of Shibuya, then there should be no reason another human to be there. So can't he use his full domain to give himself more time? And even not and I missed something that explained why Gojo wouldn't be able to use the full length of his domain, why can't he do 0.5 seconds? 0.8? It's not like 0.2 is the limit that calamity manifests itself into the domain since that is never said anywhere in canon and also because both characters are from different series, and 0.2 seconds was told explicitly to be the amount of time before a normal non sorcerer would be effected by Gojo's domain.
For anyone who thinks gojo can win is severly mistaken. Mostly because this video describes WOU as being way weaker than it actually is. WOU can cause illogical things so happen such as normal raindrops becoming deadly, a falling leaf being able to cut through your body or something annihilating you by simply bumping into you. Yes WOU could kill gojo by just destryoing his brain but it could just as easily make the air around gojo poisonous with a new chemical that is way deadlier than any normal poison and can't be healed as easily. Or it could even cause something ti bypass infinity entirely. Although WOU is all hax and no stats, most things like speed and strength as irrelevant because of its ability to manipulate fate. The only possible ways for gojo to kill WOU is with either domain expansion or hollow purple. Both of which would have gojo think of attacking WOU and require an action resulting in WOU's ability activating. Many people will argue that hollow purple and go beyond are the same. Although I don't believe so, even if they were the same, luck played a huge role in josuke's win. Not to mention the fact that go beyond in itself was the result of the rokaka.
Wou isnt just hax, he also has infinite/inaccasible speed scaling of mih pucci, at least mountain level destruction on his own and AP just below soft and wet since wou is literally logic, so its therefore below outerversal
@@Georgefloydthesneedster wou is not logic he manipulates fate and sequences, that is not outerversal. Gojo pursuing toruu and WOU will not cause in an immediate death. It is chance, there could be the first pursuit response that kills gojo, such as a slash that cuts existence itself (sukuna's courtesy) or literally his heart exploding (which can be healed with rct) Or it could take MULTIPLE attempts for WOU to kill him. Its different each time, If gojo pops an infinite void thats killing tooru, i dont know about WOU, but a hollow purple is definetly killing him since go beyond basically is close enough to what hollow purple is doing
@@zyofroma5718 hollow purple is a black hole, something based in reality that sukuna easily tanked. Go beyonds bubbles literally dont exist and are beyond reality. Comparing the 2 is comparing narutos striking strength to gokus striking strength. And wou is literally logic, go watch metas and kalebs videos on him
@@zyofroma5718 again, hollow purple ISNT ANYTHING CLOSE TO GO BEYOND. Hollow purple is essentially a miniature black hole, while the bubble quite literally doesnt exist. It is BEYOND reality, BEYOND logic, Hollow purple is a black hole, it exists in our reality, it ISNT beyond logic. Wou IS logic, again, watch metas and kalebs video on him. And he IS outerversal since he scales directly to d4c lovetrain who is considered at least multiversal+. Gojo pursuing wou wouldnt result in an immediate death, but hed not get very far. Calamity increases exponentially, going from a pebble being hurled at you to a literal meteor striking you. If it comes down to it, wou will just split 2 atoms inside gojo and destroy him instantly where rct cant do anything for him anymore.
@@zyofroma5718 Hollow purple and go beyond are not similar at ALL. Hollow purple is stated to destroy on an atomic level, and go beyond literally just is beyond reality entirely. These are not comparable. Gojo loses.
Raw stats like speed, durability, etc shouldnt really matter to wonder of you because you can't punch a concept that can scale attacks to harm to target. Gojo's manipulation of space (which isn't even uncommon in jojo's, and even then its at a weaker extent to some) is based off of logic/fate. The fact that calamity is essentially fate manipulation using the logic of the universe is far beyond gojo. gojo would literally have to overcome fate which is something we haven't seen him do and wou would scale higher than love train's 4d mathematical dimensions, and by extension gojo and the physics behind the tachyon
U casually giving its user admin commands of the universe and the unconscious ability to say “if you see my face while standing even a few feet away, or get close enough to touch me? Lmao, universe? Kill this man, instantly!”
WoU clears. Purple hollow is still bound by logic, hence Sukuna tanking three of them. If it weren’t, it would bypassed Sukuna’s durability. I don’t believe gojo can win this won, chief.
@@davimedina5165 Dosen’t need it, when the calamity is automatic. Good luck for Gojo hitting him first, before a calamity strikes. Plus, WoU can not be killed unless with attacks beyond logic (hence soft & wet go beyond) or conceptual erasure/reality warping.
@@lilityler1340 there is nothing WOU can do to attack gojo due to his limitless technique, also by beyond logic you mean his building level logic that kills regular humans ? 😂 yeah that's a No Limits fallacy, WOU has never showed any feat whatsoever that proves he is able to withstand hollow purple which actually is a illogical attack due to it's imaginary nature, it's literally called a imaginary technique and gojo himself explains it that is like conjuring negative 1 apples into reality, WOU cant bypass gojo's limitless technique defense while his hollow purple is illogical by nature and erases things out of existence, WOU gets no diffed
@@davimedina5165 Yes, he does. I explained it to you. Just because it is called imaginary attack, doesn't mean it is illogical or imaginary. Otherwise, Sukuna wouldn't turned him into a sashimi. WoU control the flow of calamity, which is passive and has unlimited range so long someone pursuit him. The only one with the building logic is go/jo. But keep on denying, you most definitely haven't read Jojolion or/and still coping that the divided one got packed up.
I actually really like the speed scaling in this video. It's a lot more believable than the "infinitely fast because he was moving in a timeless realm" speed scaling that I heard before, at least in my opinion.
@@davidarvingumazon5024 yea personally i just cant see how his ct having a weird trait could possibly ever translate to infinite speed and it doesn't make any sense either but thats just my personal opinion.
There's an interaction between WOU and PUCCHI and WOU says "Accelerate time all you want you can't escape the calamity" implying the rate of calamity changes by how fast or how harmful you are to TOORU or WOU if you're going light speed the calamity will activate just as fast. Also WOU is just like Kars Unkillable having high godly tier regeneration, you can destroy it but it will eventually menifest again and come back for you.
WoU's calamity depends on how much you want to pursue the target. Let's say, you target WoU with a building level ability. Calamity would take in place and strike back with another building level threat and nullify/cancel your ability. Therefore if Gojo uses Purple against WoU, Gojo wouldn't even be able to use Purple and he'd most likely die instantly. Plus, calamity is can also be a damage multiplier. This has been shown many times in the manga. One time was when it suddenly started to rain, and those rain droplets were as strong as a bullet. If Gojo had intrusive thoughts about Tooru/WoU, he'd simply die. "What about Gojo's 6 eyes?" Why would Gojo use his 6 eyes on someone he doesn't wanna pursue? By the moment he pursues WoU/Tooru, he'd die. But, let's say Gojo managed to use 6 eyes on WoU. Great, now Gojo can simply activate reversed cursed technique to make it a stalemate, right? Nope. WoU once stated, "nothing in earth, or even the heavens shall help you" need i explain more?
greatly explained + hollow purple wouldnt hit wou becuase its still bound by space the only reason gappy's bubbles killed wou is because the bubbles transended logic
I think it operates more on what the threat of the intent itself is rather than how much of said intent there is. Going from mild to fatal. I mean we know from Koichi and Tooru’s interaction that seeing the user’s face is a literal death sentence.
1 something being bound by space has ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOO Correlation to WOU's defense! WOU cannot 'attack' or 'stop' an attack from happening once it has already been unleashed (energy beam) he can only kill the person who has unleashed it before or after, he has no way of dodging or stopping a ftl hollow purple. 2 And WOU has zero control over logic, only fate and sequences??? And even if we do go with that, hollow purple and unlimited void defy logic itself. thats why hollow purple doesnt exist? Its literally mixing two opposing forces, Repellance and Attrance, creating an imaginary mass that morphs into erasure of matter since matter will essentially be broken. 3 Azure, Which has an incredible gravitational effect has a space-time effect also, seeing as azure functions exactly, higher, or similar to a blackhole (as red does a white hole) And these forces are known to 'stop' or 'slow' otherwise affect time. 4 And gojo's six eyes isnt something he turns off or on. Its not an attack, or a pursuit. Its just information that hes being displayed with. 5 Wou's statements are in HIS universe, he is not outerversal or transdimensional, he has not ever heard of rct or known of it. And this is just him being 'menacing' as multiple characters stated themselves to be the best, strongest, in the entire universe or to be able to kill everyone in the world, or something along those lines but they were all just gassed up comments of themselves to be menacing. Thats like saying jiren stating himself to be stronger than belmod is true because he said it, its not. 6, Domain expansion is definetly killing WOU. Its sentient, it processes information, but it does not know everything in the universe, and definetly not anything in the jjk verse. Its going to render him unable to do anything, and if he controls the calamity, which he does, he will no longer be able to attack gojo after the domain expansion. BUT. All of this relies on WOU's first calamity being something that infinity, rct, or a blue can stop the calamity from hurting gojo or killing him. And if gojo just aims for WOU first, tooru dies.
@@zyofroma5718 1.Something bound by space does hVe correlation with wonder of u because it’s position can be manipulated similar to the way the green baby did 2.Wonder of you doesn’t just have control over logic it is logic it literally says so itself the flow of calamity is the flow of reason 3. This is not an unfamiliar concept in the jojo verse verse in fact it is a crucial part in its cosmology. Wonder of U has control over all these phenomena 4. Sure but as long as he has intent, or will calamity will ensue. 5. Everyone’s statement’s are in their universe i don’t think you understand how stupid this point is. 6. Wonder of U is completely invincible. Even if you destroy the stand it will just come back. There is no way to truly destroy it even with an attack that doesn’t follow logic like go beyond because as stated in point 2 wonder of u IS logic and exists EVERYWHERE in EVERY timeline in EVERY universe. 7. A simple way to determine if a character will lose to wonder of u is to simply look at their past, have they ever experienced any form of bad luck? If so then they are guaranteed to lose. 8. Also hollow purple and unlimited void don’t “defy” logic you don’t know what defying logic means.
@@zyofroma5718 1. WOU is able to stop attacks. Yea, it can't prevent attacks from reaching Tooru or himself, but Calamity can stop abilities from happening. The only reason why Josuk8 was able to defeat WOU was because Josuk8 was second on WOU's kill list. If Josuk8 was first on WOU's kill list, WOU would've prevented Josuk8's soap bubble from happening. 2. "The world is strung together by logic and reason. No matter what stand ability I'm dealing with it shouldn't be able to reach beyond that logic and attack or touch me like this! This act of pursuit toward me will definitely be delivered back as a serious wound of calamity! Because the flow of calamity is also the flow of reason! The **logic** and reason of this world are tied together in a continuous sequence! It's completely impossible to go beyond that sequence! It can never happen... never! It's impossible to surpass it. No one has ever surpass Wonder Of U's flow of calamity."Hollow Purple or Unlimited Void does not DEFY logic. Gojo explains in chapter 75, that he creates "imaginary mass" via hollow purple. Quick info dumb but, Fields of imaginary mass are called Tachyonic fields. Tachyons have imaginary mass due to their negative squared mass. Similarly, unstable massive particles have complex mass, with the real part as their usual mass and the imaginary part as the decay rate in natural units. What this means is, Imagine you have a particle that's not very stable, like it might disappear after a while. We can describe this particle's properties in a special way. The "real part" is like its regular mass, telling us how heavy it is. The "imaginary part" is like a number that tells us how quickly the particle disappears or decays. This is basically what Gojo's hollow purple is all about. This instability is brought to fruition via Gojo's hollow purple. So, it's technically the destruction of matter. Tachyons still follow Logic and reason. Even if, let's say, Gojo's Hollow Purple did defy Logic, Calamity would prevent it from happening in the first place (unless Gojo's 2nd on WOU's kill list, for some reason). As for Unlimited Void, how the hell does it defy Logic? All it's been said is that Unlimited Void gives the user an infinite amount of knowledge. Yea, WOU can process information and it doesn't know everything in the JJK verse, but Gojo doesnt have the ability to destroy the soul or the spirit, so it means Gojo cant destroy WOU, he can only destroy Tooru's body. 3. Doesn't matter, they still follow a flow of reason. Reason = Logic, if anything follows a flow of Reason, they can't touch WOU. 4. How the hell is Gojo's 6 eyes gonna do shi against WOU? A stand is a physical manifestation of somebody's soul, yet it doesn't exist in the same plane as us. I mean, sure, Gojo's 6 eyes can process Tusk, Ball Breaker, or S&W;GB since they all have spin imbued in them, but how the hell is Gojo gonna know what WOU is/can do? 5. "WOU's statements are in HIS universe." That's like saying, "why don't we chop Mike Tyson's hands off and make him fight a Taekwando player with 20 years of experience to the death." All of Gojo's statements are in HIS universe. Calamity can still function fine in the JJK universe (Reason ≠ Logic in the JJK verse, that's all. Nothing more, nothing less). But the JJBA verse doesn't have cursed energy. If you really wanna take this into account, then Gojo's domain does nothing to Tooru, Gojo dies to Calamity before using Hollow Purple. Calamity can instakill. "Oh, what about Gojo's infinity? Calamity can target the person itself and not use the environment, like through a sudden heart attack. Gojo wouldn't focus on using RCT so an instakill heart attack will work. If you don't wanna take this into account, Calamity can make Gojo trip and fall and accidentally use Hollow Purple on himself. Don't forget, Hollow Purple is an imaginary mass and if Infinity doesn't process something as a threat, then it'll bypass infinity. But since Hollow Purple is an imaginary mass, then Infinity can't even process it. Now, lemme explain Calamity rq -Once you thought to pursue the head doctor identity (Aka. Tooru) You’ll get trapped into calamity flow -Once you get trapped, if you think about pursuing the head doctor (even the slightest), a calamity will occur upon you. -The nearer you are to the truth, the calamity will become more severe and vice versa. It's like the opposite of Love Train which is a calamity reflector so the stand user is safe. Wonder of U will give the calamity itself to its pursuer. Since Gojo's 6 eyes allow him to see the truth, Gojo's gonna die before activating his domain. "Nothing in earth, or even the heavens shall help you." This could go in many ways. Gojo's domain's gonna somehow malfunction, Gojo's RCT malfunctions, Gojo sneezes and makes the wrong hand sign and fails to create a domain, Gojo gets a heart attack before he uses RCT, Gojo trips on a banana peel and hits his head too hard, Gojo's stomach ache stops him from using domain and he dies, the food Gojo ate earlier somehow rises back to his throat and he chokes to death, etc.
2:28 Unless I'm mistaken, this is exactly where he dies. The calamity effects of wou have been shown to both defy laws of physics (raindrops hitting with the force of bullets) and use your own or other powers against you (mamezuku rai falling into josuke's bubble trap) As for why here exactly, the effects of calamity are automatic, triggering when someone intends to pursue tooru or wou, but the kicker is that it's as sensitive as being curious about the identity of the head doctor. Since wou's calamities can nearly take off someone's leg just by bumping them or altering the outcome of an otherwise equivalent exchange, who's to say they can't just ignore the properties of infinity and punch a hole in him anyway? Cursed energy is different from stand energy, being negative emotions rather than life force, meaning the stand advantage applies. Despite this, wou is visible to non-stand users, but this is bad for the sorcerer, since wou mostly leaves people alone if they don't try to pursue. Even if hollow purple being an imaginary force means it's above logic, the introductory scenario you gave out doesn't give him a chance to pull out his strongest attacks before trying to aim them at wou gets him killed.
While im not a fan of using pixelmeasurements to judge speed in anime/manga due to how inconsistent and sometimes not to scale the drawing/animation is I must still give you props for how well it was done.
The fact that there are still so many brainless people who believe that Gojo beats Tooru/Wonder of u or that he even has a chance is a total lack of respect for Wonder of u, cry Gojo's simps
@@soulzakira6060this has never happened nor has been stated the most we see is six eyes letting gojo see megumis soul in sukuna as he took unlimited voids effects for him.
When it comes to battles between series you have to equalize. Some one like Darth Vader would easily defeat and kill ganondorf from Zelda despite the series claim that only the master sword can defeat ganon. Therefore gojo would most likely be able to, at the very least, perceive Wonder of You. Hollow purple is very similar to vanilla ice so I don't see any reason why gojo would be unable to harm stands.
@@PhantomEmperor Have been stated and happen if gojo RCT is directly healing him in sukuna domain which we know he can attack the soul bc Inumaki arm still cant heal and the gojo side kick got hit and still could use RCT to heal it properly him also affecting kenjaku body when Kenjaku soul isn't their also you prove that he would be able to directly mess with the soul with UV bc as u said megumi soul took the effect of it
The second Gojo tries to attack WoU, he suffers massive brain damage, a heart attack and organ failure due to WoUs abilities ignoring range, and Gojo being untouchable by physical means. Gojo could probably use RCT to heal himself but even then WoU dominates with his Calamity hax alone.
@@RalMaybe he meant mental and not phsyical. gojo literally destroyed a physical part of his brain. Like quite literally. destroyed his frontal cortex and then healed it with rct until he couldnt heal it anymore and boom..no domain.
If the first calamity does not manage to kill gojo due to infintiy, or rct, it is over. (calamities are not gaurenteed to kill, they are calamities.)that nanosecond in time or less that it takes to create hollow purple and fire it off (it being an imaginary mass, therefore 'instant' (to us) or ftl, would kill WOU before he could react, instantaneously. Hollow purple does NOT follow logic. Neither does blue, or red, or his domain expansion. Blue is negative mass (which is not possible so the universe has to recirpocate by creating mass which is not possible again so gojo is defying logic and forcing the universe to cope with this, also defying logic.) Red is the amplifcation and creation of infinite, sped up mass which again is not possible. Both of these abilities defy logic, and even if you think they DONT, Hollow purple does. Hollow purple is the mixture of the force of repellance and attractance, The foreign space created from amplification is being ripped apart by the infinity that has been brought into reality via red. It’s hard to explain but if you constantly rip space infinitely, ur left with nothing, nothing cannot be defined so it’s imaginary mass,deleting anything it comes into contact with. which is again defying the logic of the universe since matter cannot be created or destroyed. And boy dont let me start on the domain expansion of gojo.
@@zyofroma5718 even if we where to agree that hollow purple ignores logic, Gojo himself does not. HP would never kill WoU because the flow of calamity would cause Gojo to miss. Perhaps even hit himself instead. And just anticipating the "but go beyond killed WoU". i would just like to remind you that came down to luck. Gappy won becuase he got lucky (aka the plot said so).
Definitely. Calamity isn’t an object like how hollow sorta kinda is maybe? It’s a universal concept, beyond our comprehension of the universe. You can’t fight or kill an idea conventionally. You can’t domain expansion “love” for instance, because love is an idea or concept, and can’t be expressed inside the domain.
Maybe you guys are underestimating WOU. He literally manipulates logic, which means he can surpass Gojo's Infinite easily because it is bound by logic. It doesn't even make sense. Literally, Gojo's Infinite was disabled so he was completely overwhelmed. The reason SaWGB can defeat WoU is because it is not bound by logic because it "does not exist" to put it more simply "never existed in logic" and everything is affected by logic.
As soon as gojo thinks about hurting wonder of u a calamity will come. He is a law of the universe and interacts with fate it is pretty hard to power scale the embodiment of a law of the universe even without feeds. Who knows how far wonder of u can boost stuff using calamity and even has these small rock bugs if gojo doesn't realize a litteral rock can eat his flesh off that may do some damage and apply a constant bleed unless he repairs his body with reverse curse. Calamity can block almost anything the only thing that took him down was something that didn't follow the law of the universe, even with the domain expansion wonder of u can make infinite illusions of hinself maming it a 1/x opportunity he'll hit the wonder of u the x depends in how many wonder of u clones there are. Futher more anything can become lethal via calamity for who knows maybe gojo doesn't realize the rain is going to rip trough his skin before it happens. There is so many different ways i see wonder of u taking out gojo because again he interacts with fate (meaning that only something that ignores fate can kill him) and futher on. He has a post mortum state where I'm 90% sure he can just straight up target people with calamity. And also stands on themselves (especially long range) can go a lot faster then their user/normal people. And also he can tp. Also if we would go trough the whole "stands cant be seen by none stand user and none curse users cant see curse" would go so mutch more in wonder of u favor since gojo wouldn't know that a ghost like thing was punching his knee caps out with a calamity powered kane. So goddamn many possibilities that almost zero lead to gojos victory
This guy is calculating all sorts of powerscaling stuff when that really doesn't matter in Jojos. It's more interesting to think how the fight would go down. The only way Gojo could win is by figuring out some way of acting outside of logic, while trying to avoid the insane Calamity that would be constantly hitting him. In fact going at insane speeds would be REALLY BAD against WoU, as we see one way to slow the calamity is to not move at all. Honestly would be a really cool fight
Bro an't giving wou enough credit. Any thought about harming Toru triggers it. And they could vary from instant heart attack to Valentine from Jojo's traveling to this world and bringing a alternate GoJo that annihilates him on contact.
Infinity is like using the six eyes to input imaginary values that shouldn't exist into reality, like a hacker using adding to the source code Go beyond is like literally just non existent. It exists in a different dimensions therefore it doesn't follow the logic of the universe of the person using it Hollow purple vs go beyond is like using a script to hack a game versus a manga character from a manga on the same desk as the table just existing in it while not existing in it and killing everyone in the game. They are not comparable at all
I mean, calamity scales to whatever would stop the user. Smaller things such as tripping or bumping into things can be used to stop less impactful pursuit against more human durability. However, if someone as strong as gojo were to pursue, calamity would be much stronger and geared towards stopping him. For example, maybe a gas line would break and cover the area in fire and dangerous fumes, forcing gojo to either dispel the fire or back away. At the closest possibility, wonder of u could technically have an object coincidentally do an infinite rotation (it's improbable to an insane level, but not impossible). And the infinite rotation would bypass infinity and kill gojo. Either way, gojo will never reach wonder of u.
Or getting cancer or immediate organ failure? Not to mention the little ignored fact that if you get close enough to toru (stand user of Wonder of U) calamity, fate, the universe, whatever, immediately goes “this man? Cancel his subscription to life, immediately. I don’t care how, I don’t care why, do it instantly, in whatever way instantly ends him without failure or chance of defending against it”
Wonder of U would be able to manipulate Gojo's ability itself as it exists within the realm of logic (there is a logic behind it). And if you think not, calamity has already been shown to manipulate the infinite rotation in chapter 22, when Johnny was trying to save his son. Which I'd argue is a lot more impressive than manipulating Gojo's limitless, as Johnny's infinite rotation can pry open Love Train's barrier which is basically connected to all of space and time (as it is shown redirecting misfortune onto people in the future and whatnot). Also, calamity might not be instant, but I believe that doesn't matter. Manipulating calamity, is essentially like manipulating fate, you're fated to die, as you get closer to Wonder of U, the effects of Calamity gets stronger. If you somehow get right in his face, you'll still be hit by something unexpected. It is very possible that Gojo's infinity barrier can even turn against him as it is something that calamity would realistically be able to manipulate.
Wrong. You don't understand Gojo's Hollow Purple entirety, and Gojo's Infinity negs Prison Realm, Prison Realm is 5D - beyond the law of time, and negates every rule, and have feats that refers time as 4D part of space-time - refers to Author explaining his ability, so beyond 4D makes Prison Realm a 5D. It does matter. Wonder of U gets hit by Gojo's Domain Expansion, and can't activate Calamity. No, it won't. You're implying Calamity is mind manipulation.
@davidarvingumazon5024 Tusk, or the infinite spin, also scales above both time and space. It was seen moving even when time itself had been stopped(TWAU), and chasing opponents betwen infinte dimensions(D4C:LT). And calamity still had control over it. + his Domain expansion can't affect Wonder of U. There is no amount of information that exists that wonder of U doesn't already know. But most importantly there is no attack gojo can use against WOU that would hit it because it simply ain't a being, it's a concept.
Bruh. These guys talking about a universal law manipulating conceptual being vs a space + matter manipulating physical being. Yes. Gojo is impressive. Yes. He can annihilate matter. Can Gojo annihilate concepts? If so... then why exactly did he **** to ********? His infinity ****** to ******* him from ********'s *****. His ability isn't trancending of concepts, or he would have ********.
Personally I think speed as usual takes the win here. Even if gojo is somehow impacted it's not gonna happen before he can make multiple moves. Jjk speed is on the lower end for battle manga and such but it's still no joke with gojo. We are talking likely dozens of times the speed of sound.
@@i.m.crazee5195 it's user is flesh and blood homie. Also gojo literally creates imaginary space. That's how red repells. And blue attracts. You could make the argument it would thrash U
@@FeedMeSalt I don't know if you read JoJolion but Wonder of U persists after the stand user dies, and it was only destroyed by Soft and Wet Go Beyond's ability; creating a bubble that to quote of the characters "does not exist of this world" i.e existing outside of the defined laws of physics and reality of that verse. The thing with the imaginary mass is tricky because you could argue that purple exists within the confines of our reality considering the fact that it is based on Quantum Physics and the concept of masses that cannot be quantified i.e the theory of Tachyons. That is definitely a possible answer to WoU being destroyed. However imo, the interpretation more consistent with the manga is that WoU exists as a concept of the Universe; calamity is an aspect of fate (a universal law in JoJo, several characters have seen to manipulate and transcend the concept of fate; Soft and Wet Go Beyond, GER, King Crimson, Dragon's Dream) and transcends the logic of the verse ( this is not only stated but shown with the airplane example the plane had already been creaking and breaking even before the individual was targeted meaning it transcends the linear interpretation of time) ; i.e Calamity is fate willing you to die. Soft and Wet Go Beyond however is literally transcendent of the laws of the universe, it transcends fate and logic which WoU manipulates hence why Gappy was able to destroy WoU with it.
@@i.m.crazee5195gojo can use hollow purple wich deletes everything. Even it wonder of u made a damn star appear out of no were it wouldn't matter. And sukuna used domain amplification to block hollow purple so don't even try to mean that. Hollow purple or hell even blue or red can't he blocked or redirected by wou so he just loses end of story
i know it been 6 months but... wou still claps gojo. wou control calamity. calamity is logic and bad luck. if u have an attack that can bypass logic that means u have a ''chance'' to beat wou. if Gojo uses hollow purple wou calamity can just make him miss he can hit his own head. the olny way gojo can win if u make wou MASSIVELY NERF and buff Gojo rct. Like Gojo have like Deadpool level regeneration and make wou calamity only use cars and normal calamity and not Leafs being able to cuts Ur hands. (For short:for gojo to win buff rct and nerf wou calamity) context: wou abilty dosent need to be nerf just deadpool level regeneration as deadpool can heal from a drop of blood.
The fight was already over before it started because the only reason to defeat wonder of u, you will need a stand like soft and wet go beyond which has bubbles that are litteraly non existent or something not bound by reality(i tried to simplify.)
@@khulmach9662 infinity doesn't filter out things it deems as non threats so a fly could land on gojo and cause severe damage like how WoU attacked with raindrops. Not saying this is an immediate wincon for WoU but just something to keep in mind
Wonder of U vs Gojo is basically - Gojo: thinks of attack, WoU: severe brain damage + stage 4 cancer people from the JJK manga should know how bad brain damage is for Gojo
bro? Wonder of Yu isnt going to specifically give him brain damage and gojo's technique literally damages his brain he just instantly repairs it using RCT
@@kemalthom475 Only hiss burnout and detection give him brain damage and to very different extents. Prove that the calamity won't target his biggest weakness.
now that i know how gojo's limitless works, who would ein between gojo and the green baby? both use the same distance paradox as power therefore none of them can attack the other
11:25 That calc measures the distance piercing blood were from his face instead of the actual timeframe which would be the distance piercing blood travelled when Kenny dodged. Common mistake. If you can measure the distance it traveled when he moved his head and then divide that by the speed of sound, you would get the proper timeframe which you can use to divide the distance Kenny traveled. You can't be faster than something if you move a lesser distance in the same timeframe so Kenny would probably be slower if you calced it like that though in reality he would be more like relative to it and just didn't travel as far as he could have.
14:07 Hakari got blitzed by the lightning with us only seeing movement from him after the bolt disappeared meaning any timeframe using the bolt is invalid. The Mach 4,000 calc also incorrectly measures the distance to his face just like the Kenny calc instead of the distance to his arm and also assumes cloud the ground lightning speed. This feat has been calced to subsonic taking all of them into account. I don't know what Gojo's Blue is doing there. Like you know the speed at which it subtracts space or something? The distance it's subtracting? And nice supersonic feat for Yuta 🤣 guess running a few hundred if that something metres in a dozen panels is supersonic.
If we were gonna take Gojo’s purple at its exact definition, it’s technically an imaginary mass similar to Josuke’s bubbles. It’s a big stretch but it could be possible for Gojo to hit Wonder of U. Even if he fired the purple off he should still get hit so in this scenario a draw seems decently likely. Thought I’d mention this very unlikely but technically possible outcome.
imaginary mass yet gege writes hollow purple as just another city block level explosion that barely damaged him and sukuna at their fight. manga authors do love to contradict their own work.
Josuke's bubble is not imaginary mass. Its nothing. It is just a nothing bubble which fucks with logic and the universe in such a way that barely managed to "bypass" wou and "hit" him.
@@sindalanboyI would also like to state that the grade 1 sorcerer that is often seen with Panda I can’t remember his name but he blocked Kenjaku’s Maximum Uzumaki with no damage and then later started fighting against Sukuna and had Sukuna saying “Wow u can cancel my domain with ur shadow style” so the scaling in the series is kinda dumb. Especially since it was revealed in the recent chapter that the fuckin LAWMAN Higuruma is on Gojo’s Level currently in the story. Which makes sense due to his executioner’s blade, confiscation, domain amplification and simple domain, etc and he’s only been a sorcerer for 2 months…
@@sindalanboyoh also I would like to say that Gojo hollow purple had a hard time damaging Sukuna but Yuji’s punch made him feel pain and get pushed back despite Yuji not being able to put a scratch on Choso or Mahito’s defenses… it’s called inconsistency by nature of story, if you were to keep things 100% consistent the story would not flow in Gege’s intended direction. For example, gojo wouldn’t have been perception blitzed by seeing Suguru since he perceives time slower, meaning he actually paused and waited to be trapped in the prison realm for around 5 minutes his perception. I don’t think he would be stunlocked 5 WHOLE MINUTES in place when he can teleport and move faster than anyone else in the series besides Sukuna. This cannot happen without plot armor or inconsistency.
No it's not and it's completely different It's didn't erase anything and Sukuna prove it by tank and deflect that attack like nothing Go Beyond Bubble is beyond logic it's similar like breaking the 4th wall and toon force It's break the rules of story itself which why WoU can't stop it or detect it as a pursuit
Jojo's has this whole Fate idea. Fate is basically an energy that all characters follow, and there are only few things that can change fate, one of them being stands, and from the moment you acquire a stand foward, you are fated to always encounter other stand users in your throught your life. Parts 1-6 explained to us the idea of fate and how people who try to alter fate for their benefit end up being punished by the same, and those who thrill a life with justice get rewarded by fate. Then on Parts 7-8 we learned about the two sides of the coin. If Fate was that coin, then in one side we have Luck and on the other Calamity, part 7 shows us the corpse of the saint, which brings luck to who posses it, and part 8 shows us calamity, which is this unavoidable energy that bounds bad things to happen to people. Obviously this wouldn't be a problem by itself, bad things are bound to happen, but what wonder of u does is basically redirect all of this "wave of bad luck" towards whoever tries to attack, pursue or discover the identity of Tooru or Wonder Of U. This calamity energy is so powerful that it even changes the laws of physics to make harmless things, such as raindrops, be as deadly as bullets shots but exclusively to the one person who is being targeted. Josuke only won against Wonder Of U because his power, Go Beyond allowed him to create an attack that doesn't physically exists, so it's not bound to any law including calamity, making it able to hit Tooru and his stand.
ok lets analyze this boyz wou's ability is more of a law of nature rather then just a stand ability. it sets up various events that have the intention to kill an opponent if they pursue the stand or it's user. now seeing as how gojo has infinity (creates infinite space between the user and any objects) you would think these events would have no effect on gojo, but there can also be internal effects such as diseases/illnesses. if gojo can tank this though we have to realise that one opponent must die, and wou cannot be harmed through normal means. so he can just target tooru, right? the problem is that six eyes allows gojo to see and read cursed energy, which we have to assume tooru doesn't have. so finding tooru will be a hard task, as he usually only pilots his stand from far distances. wou's ability gives massive misfortune to anyone who pursues them, with this misfortune increasing when the intent to pursue them increases. so when gojo is searching for tooru the events will get increasingly more dangerous. but then again the most dangerous events will mainly be non-disease based events, which infinity could stop. many people argue that calamity can completely ignore infinity, but the only real answer we can get is 'we don't know'. there are two ways that tooru could win: 1. gojo does not find tooru and his attempts to find him causes more lethal events which ends up with gojo dying from various diseases caused inside of his body, or 2. calamity's events (which are not disease related) do bypass infinity and kill gojo. but for the second option we do have to note that gojo can move at speeds beyond light and maybe even greater, but calamity's limits are almost infinite depending on the intent to pursue, so it could be possible that the events could outspeed gojo, but yet again we don't know. now gojo has one way to beat wou: find and kill tooru, but this is only a slim chance due to the fact that tooru could just be some random citizen, and will most likely be ignored unless gojo was having a bad day. now i would say this if it wasnt for gojo's ace in the hole, hollow purple. hollow purple is a combination of both blue (an ability which pulls) and red (an ability which repels), creating an imaginary mass. in the manga, wou was defeated using go beyond, a "bubble" which is actually just a rod moving incredibly fast which explodes upon contact. the reason why this matters it because it 'does not exist in this world', allowing it to break the laws of nature that wou controls, allowing it to physically harm it. both go beyond and hollow purple do not 'exist', so would this attack effect wou? clear answer yes, but it cant fully erase every being it touches, as seen by sukuna, and if we check wou's stand stats it says that it's durability is infinite. so will hollow purple kill it? probably is the only answer we can muster. these result in both characters having only having one completely possible way for wou to defeat their opponent, and two possible ways for gojo to defeat their opponent. however gojo's first possible way to defeat wou is incredibly luck based. so pretty much it's either gojo lands a hollow purple on wou, or if wou's calamity causes enough diseases in gojo's body to kill him. in more simple terms: wou method 1: 100% possible and can plausibly kill gojo wou method 2: hypothetical and probably not possible vs gojo method 1: completely luck based but can still happen (do take in mind this method will make wou's first method more possible) gojo method 2: probably will kill wou since gojo's first method would most likely end up with wou getting the w and its incredibly luck based, gojo would have to rely on hollow purple to kill wou. but we dont fully know if hollow purple will kill wou. wou's 1 method is 100% foolproof, however... REVERSED CURSED ENERGY!!! gojo can fully regenrate himself after every attack if it doesnt immediatley killing him, making gojo more likely to survive each event... BUUUUTTTT viruses have to be destroyed, and reverse cursed energy restores... so viruses will still gojo if they are lethal enough, but heart attacks and other more imminently dangerous diseases would most likely be avoided using reversed cursed energy. so all wou can hope for is that gojo dies a slow demise... and all gojo can rely on is that hollow purple can harm wou. each one is both not ideal, wou's viruses killing gojo vs hollow purple killing wou. sure, hollow purple will effect wou, but will it destroy it, even through its infinite durability? well yes, if we accept that wou is damaged by hollow purple then its damage will be put on the user, which is just flesh and blood. but thats still hypothetical, which the viruses are not. therefore wou has a clear cut way to kill gojo, but gojo only has hypothetical ways to kill tooru and wou. therefore... most likely winner: WONDER OF U (reminder: this is only my opinion, if i made any mistakes do make sure to correct me in the replies, but dont take this serious as if we were fighting eachother to the death.)
Gojo doesn’t know what a stand user is, why would he look for Toru? Killing Toru does nothing to WOU. WOU manipulates luck, there’s no “luck based” win for Gojo. Most of, if not all, of Gojo’s attacks would fail due to WOU making him extremely unlucky.
how is gojo light speed there are literally 0 feats showing him to be light speed the timeless realm is super inconsistent and unknown so everything scaling related to it is probably untrue or just very inconsistent
Gojo: "I will defeat you!" *Got killed by a frickin branch that stab his eyeball and curse energy is flowing from his eyes to his whole body that will melt all of his organs💀
You can't compare Soft and Wet: Go Beyond non-existent bubble to Gojo's Hollow Purple because Hollow Purple is like a blackhole and Soft and Wet: Go Beyond is like a non-existent matter that goes beyond any logic of reality. It's like an extra-dimensional thing but at the same time it doesn't exist like literally.
None of those would work in any shape or form against wou. Its hard to imagine gojo even "fighting" wou in the first place if he does not die due to his balls exploding or something.
@@mombanger2835 If the first calamity does not manage to kill gojo due to infintiy, or rct, it is over. (calamities are not gaurenteed to kill, they are calamities.)that nanosecond in time or less that it takes to create hollow purple and fire it off (it being an imaginary mass, therefore 'instant' (to us) or ftl, would kill WOU before he could react, instantaneously. Hollow purple does NOT follow logic. Neither does blue, or red, or his domain expansion. Blue is negative mass (which is not possible so the universe has to recirpocate by creating mass which is not possible again so gojo is defying logic and forcing the universe to cope with this, also defying logic.) Red is the amplifcation and creation of infinite, sped up mass which again is not possible. Both of these abilities defy logic, and even if you think they DONT, Hollow purple does. Hollow purple is the mixture of the force of repellance and attractance, The foreign space created from amplification is being ripped apart by the infinity that has been brought into reality via red. It’s hard to explain but if you constantly rip space infinitely, ur left with nothing, nothing cannot be defined so it’s imaginary mass,deleting anything it comes into contact with. which is again defying the logic of the universe since matter cannot be created or destroyed. And boy dont let me start on the domain expansion of gojo.
Domain ampfication is technique to decrease damage any form caused by curse energy even how strong property of it is So no it wouldn't work on calamity
A reminder that while Wonder of U is limited by the physical capabilities of the world calamities can still involve your very actions, one such example is when someone grows curious about the stander user of Wonder of U they happen to cut off all their own fingers by accident, calamities are not limited solely to physical objects but also being able to lead to your own misgivings.
Wonder of u could just probably give him a random Heart attack or the ground could just explode underneath him so much things that can just happen or gojo tries to breathe air but suddenly he breathes it in wrong or something in the air and his lungs explode Edit: better question gojo limitless vs green baby stand or ta4
Ehhhh, reverse curse technique? Havent you seen his endurance already? The only way wander of u may be able to kill him is if he explodes his head in one go. If he even leaves some or doesnt destroy it all at once, gojo is just gonna regenarate and seeing how he can tank domains like its nothing it would take a long while if wonder of u tries to go the endurance route. Like it wouldnt even be a good choice. Unless he manages to force gojo to rct his ct, like sukuna did hes never gonna be able to tired him out. With external attacks, like the floor exploding, they will allways remain usless, gojo doesnt even have to take attention to them. Just leave automatic infinity to do the job
@@fernandoreimpell2818 if his brain gets blown out he dies because then he can't use rtc During the toji fight he said should have aimed for the head either that or brain damage or if that keeps happening he will overheat his brain then won't be able to do anything
@@samuraituff9653toji aimed for the head, the problem was that he didnt use the spear of heaven to neg CE. Now at days a blow to the head isnt enough, you have to destroy it all in one go without leaving any trace. The real problem of wonder of U is his unpredictability, but because he has only one way and only one to kill gojo, that falls appart too. To tell you the truth, idk who would win, but to think that it would be an easy machup for wonder of u is kinda disingenuous
@@fernandoreimpell2818 so did he cut off gojo head and if so then why did gojo say you should have aimed for the head also Brain damage will counter it which wou can do and if he keeps doing it like I said gojo overheats or he could just keep attacking his insides until eventually he overheats like in the sukuna fight
@@samuraituff9653 idk about the anime, but in the manga he said his mistake was not use the heavenly spear when he went for the head to disrupt the ce flow. Targeting his insides, is not enough. Not even his brain alone is enough. And sure, if toji separated gojos head from his body at that moment, it would have kill him, but in present day is impossible to have a clean cut on gojo cause it has a start, and aslong as the wound has a start, he is just gonna regen while the strike passes through, like he did with sukunas domain, or like hakari did with kashimos lightning. Unless he forces him to use rct to cure his ct burnout wonder of u is never gonna outlast gojo, or at the very least, it would even take him days or weeks, maybe more, and being kind here cause with his six eyes mastery, ce refeinment, his large ce pool and him constantly producing ce, its not enough to constantly wound him, you need to force him to use more than what he is able to replentish, but then again, Sukuna only managed to do that after five domain expansions and five rct of his ct burnout back to back. And the guy still is able to regen limbs. Nothing wonder of u uses will force Gojo to use that much energy in such a short time. Like I said, a war of attrition isnt a good choice for Wonder of U
Calamity is a law of nature in the JoJoverse (WoU is literally the personifaction of that concept; it is quite literally the concept giving form) ; it basically changes the flow of logic and fate (an in Universal constant in the JoJoverse meaning that there is one predestined path; there are only a couple of characters that manipulate and change fate with special hax in JoJo) to target whoever WoU has targeted (it can only target one person at a time). So in practice WoU could possibly even bend logic itself to bypass the "infinity" of Gojo regardless of what he does; it is a mega hax ability.
Well WOU attacks with each attack getting stronger. It can attacks infinitly. It doesn't stop till its turned off or till the opponent is dead. Its a 50/50 on where it attacks though. We only see it attack the brain once and it isn't against the main character so I honestly don't know. It might do it eventually but it's speculation
@@Greninja9001 It's not really an attack. It's a manipulation of cause and effect, logic, and fate. As long as someone exists within the bounds of the rules that WOU has control over, they cannot harm nor escape him.
@@_-___________how have you ALSO managed to not answer the question the guy asked lmao. It's not me that's confused, i already know Gojo wins this, so idk why you're responding to me either lol.
i feel like they would be in an endless stalemate. it's logic vs a concept, two things that can't be destroyed, however tooru will die as wonder of u can still live on past its user's death. it just makes wonder of u more uncontrolable. also another reason why it is a stalemate as it can not only manipulate objects, but also people themselves. making them accidentally do damage to themselves, or get them into a position where they will get hurt.
Tooru doesn't even have to be there, thats the thing. The whole premise of the fight happening is that for *some* reason calamity is already active and WoU at some point would have showed up, but that doesn't mean Tooru is in the mix
Well how would the fight happen I might be missing something here but I thought only a stand can touch another stand. How would Gojo be able to make contact with a stand that doesn’t even need the user to fight
Had an argument with my friends just the other night about something like this, DIO vs Gojo. I think both versions of DIO would mop the floor with Gojo however, my friends believe Gojo would win. I think due to DIO's speed, attack power and raw durability plus his vampire abilities. DIO would win. Time stop, in my interpretation of the characters' abilities, would triumph over Gojo's Infinity abilities. Using PT 6 Jotaro to scale, DIO would be just as strong if not stronger, during his fight with Pucci. Jotaro was the only one that could possibly harm MIH (& C Moon) Pucci. This is like a World level threat, not to say that's Jojo's level but he was the only guy that could hit him during his Time Stop, which is my point. Time Stop is CRAZY strong no matter if the person in it is stronger or not, only someone that can manipulate time can counter it. So Gojo would be, in layman's terms, fucked. DE is probably his best bet, but could DIO stop time within it? Stands are spiritual manifestations and is the source of DIO's ascended power, it could possibly use Time Stop to counter it even if DIO succumbs to it. Assuming, Gojo gets it off, it's fastest pop off rate being at 0.2 Secs. DIO has every opportunity to win this hypothetical fight yet, my friends think I'm wanking. I'd love to get some actually clarification on this so that I may feel confident in my argument or consider a new possibility entirely. If anyone else who enjoys both series want to comment, feel free. Just no fighting and no slurs! Lol, I gotta beat anime fans with a stick sometimes. Loved the video and hope to see other JJK vs JJBA content, so many matches and so much possibilities to consider.
@@lilityler1340Time stop would straight up prevent infinity from doing anything because time stop is basically temporary inaccessible speed and would blitz infinity’s detection. Surfbone explains the difference between inaccessible and infinite speed in his speed tiering video.
Remember that Wonder of U can even cause enemies to harm themselves without them realizing it until the damage is already done, like Joubin's wife who accidentally cut off her own fingers while making dinner. Even creating new stand abilities like soft and wet go beyond that killed the appraiser guy who I forgot the name of. Wonder of U can literally pull up a new way to attack that originates from his own attackers if there is nothing that seems like a valid way for calamity to strike or if Wonder of U is very close to getting injured.
What I'm really curious about is if Hollow Purple would affect the stand at all. It is an automatic stand that can be touched by non stand users but it's still stated that only a stand can kill another stand
If their were any other stands that have the potential to consistently take down Gojo, I would say: 1. tusk act four since It’s 5-d and it can attack in zero time. As well as, the ability to bypass barriers that stop it from directly attacking an opponent (not to mention that since it has infinite speed it could potentially just brute force its way through the infinite distance between it and gojo). And once touched gojo will be inflicted with infinite rotation and die. 2. Heavens door original activation where just looking at one of Rohan’s manga panels causes his stand to hit you. Then he could just write something like “turn off all your abilities and stand still” then stab gojo in the head or “forget how to breathe.”
GER Beyond from the Jorge Joestar novel (Reality and Fate manipulation) - a lot of Jorge Joestar stands might have chances, Beyond is the one i know most about The World : Overheaven from Eyes of Heaven/the Overheaven Novel Made in Heaven (Enough acceleration might help it bypass the slowing effect of Infinity)
Gojo when WOU gives him testicular torsion: 😭
😂
Bruh!😂
Nah he’d win
@@BuIIy_Maguirenah he’d go to hospital
RCT:
Even if Gojo could pull off hollow purple he'd sneeze, and in his distraught it'd accidentally be aimed at his head, killing him instantly
@@qeditz1547 You clearly don't understand jojo's then, wou manipulates all laws of logic in the universe. HOWEVER, due to go beyond existing outside of the dimension wou has control over, it could hit him.
@@qeditz1547 go beyond TRANSENDS logic thats why wou wasnt able to detect it also as the video said brain damage of a heart attack would be a instant death for gojo
@@Night_Gale go beyond doesn’t transcend logic💀 it simply operates outside of the universe as imaginary mass doesn’t exist, which is what they meant
@@qeditz1547 maybe you should do your own logic because Saw go beyond bubbles do transend logic
@@qeditz1547yes it does not transcend logic. It would more appropriate to call it logic itself. And gojo's attacks dont bend logic at all.
Don’t forget, calamity energy also makes all those misfortunate events lethal. Rain can pierce bodies, being bumped into by a car could shatter your bones and cripple you.
Explosive diarrhea could literally make you explode
Explosive diarrhoea sends you flying like a rocket 😂
TESTICULAR TORSION
@@datboy038 if anything it would just rupture your intestines and cause you to die from internal injuries and infection
@@Banduke-nf2mdthat becomes the balls get twisted so fast that as they get ripped by the sheer velocity, the skin catches fire and… well that’s not pretty.
Not to mention the massive blood loss and pain…
Yikes
Or, leaves can fricking cleave your head off 💀💀
Wonder of U is seriously lowballed in this video.WoU activates instantly upon any attempt to 'pursue' Tooru, the Head Doctor. Pursuit includes actions as simple as chasing, fighting, or even thinking about confronting him. The mere sight of Tooru's face triggers an immediate calamity that results in certain death, as shown by the death of characters like Poor Tom when he tried to reach Tooru and his head was shattered by an unexplained collision.
Wonder of U's power operates independently, without Tooru's command. It can cause diseases to accelerate, sudden neck-breaking fatalities, spontaneous explosions, and the guarantee of unfortunate events leading to death, repeatedly rendered items and technology useless, induced illness in people near Tooru, redirected attackers' own strikes to harm teammates, caused infrastructure to suddenly collapse, made individuals hit themselves with their own attacks, forced opponents to miss attacks, even at point-blank range, and has caused minor wounds to become dramatically worse.
The Endless Calamity's potential is nearly infinite, capable of orchestrating indirect deaths through a series of interconnected events, even spanning decades.
Even if Tooru is defeated, Wonder of U continues to exist, affecting anyone who still pursues it.
It does have some weaknesses, such as requiring pursuit to activate. Actions that don't count as 'pursuing' or 'attacking' can approach Tooru without triggering the calamity. Abilities transcending its logic, like the Spin, can harm Tooru but won't prevent the pursuers from being affected.
Wonder of U's abilities are busted, Gojo doesn't have any abilities that would transcend a universal concept. So at best, Gojo is holding out for a few minutes before calamity decides to make him spontaneously explode.
I would also like to add on how WoU is practically a primordial entity, his ability being so disruptive I’d even consider him a mid-tier chaos manipulator with the attributes of:
Disaster manipulation
Discord/anarchy manipulation
Distortion manipulation
Probability manipulation
Weather manipulation
Matter manipulation
Karmic retribution
Randomness manipulation
Causality manipulation
Biology manipulation
Misfortune inducement
Intangibility
Duplication
Reality warping
Omniscience
@@wonderofu230his quite literally the embodiment of calamity /logic. The man is the jojo equavilant of dc's the endless.
What gojo gunna do when someone sneezes a little to hard and causes a meteor to fall on his head💀
@@Sunscreen24 GOOD LORD 😭
@@Sunscreen24 this reminded me of undead unluck
"Gojo solos"
*wonder of U giving him a severe heart attack due to him breathing a extra molecule of oxygen*
And brain damage for somehow gotten his RTC go haywire
nah only one person has gotten1 centimetre to toru and even if toru dies wonder of u still exists and wonder of u activates once gojo tries to pursue him and in the flow of calamity no one can attack him and wonder of you only lost because soft and wet go beyond can destroy concepts and to my knowledge gojo can not do that so gojo will lose
Gojo gets an aneurysm whilst fighting WOU
AIDS that appears out of nowhere💀
His 6 eyes and brain has to be cleared before he dies unless the stomach-brain CE flow connection is cut but poison is unRCT healing unless you can bc you try hard enough
Gojo: "Ill just use hollow purple and it will be able to break through its protective abi-
WOU: *Summons multiple Sukunas via dimensional tear that oppened because Gappy tripped on one of his 4 balls*
don't know if this is a joke or not but it doesn't work that way
Multiple Sukunas......If Gojo has a nightmare, that'd b it. Also, if that did happen, then let the jumpings begin cuz I'm all 4 it!!!🗣✊🗿
@@gallatinwrestling6422 what makes you think that it doesn't?
Bro got confused between wou and d4c 😂
jus doesnt make sense@@-gj3nu
“Gojo slams” *Gojo when he steps on a pebble and his bones get turned to dust*
Gojo slammed...onto the ground
Exactly, WoU works so randomly that anything that can go wrong will go wrong when you fight him. 💀
Edit: Also, surely Gojo can defend using Infinity, but one wrong step can harm him, he surely can't touch something as well. How can Infinity defend Gojo if he himself is stepping/touching a stationary object?
Gojos eyelashes get stuck in the blindfold and he pulls his own eyes out
When he finally open his eyes
He realized he just got cataract
Nah six eye can not get cataract@@Therestrial205
After he got cataract his lungs collapsed
@@tech_cookie4445 And his balls explodes
@@fstandsforfurkan736 😭
Not a debate, gojo loses this. You can't get rid of calamity, for you to beat calamity you need to ascend above logic and reasoning which gojo is clearly bound by (laws of nature), and if he manages to kill tooru (which is highly unlikely), calamity will keep existing. The effects of calamity can make a pencil hitting gojo be as impactful as a mahoraga attack whilst nullifying his infinity the same or even worse and the damages increases over time.
I mean Gojo's purple technically transcends logic since it proves the existence of tachyons. It is a contentious topic but in depends on how you scale it. Also if you wonder how sukuna was able to survive purple, it was probably because of DA and the distance of purple.
only problem with Wonder of U's calamity is that they would happen at the speed that they normal will happen. As soon as the first brain cancer or any diseased cell takes shape: RCT. And other things that will start outside of Gojo's body will just be blocked or slowed down by his infinity. And things really don't know if they have approached Gojo yet. So by logic of calamities, the "forces of nature" will probably "think" they already got Gojo and stops trying.
@@taobing5087 its cause he's a tank that boy built different . Boy survived two of them thangs.
Purple is literally an imaginary technique bro.
Purple is litteraly go beyond but bigger
I think there are two main things here that people don't seem to understand.
The first is the nature of Wonder of U's attacks. Wonder of U doesn't just 'make a bad thing happen' (eg. teleport a star in front of you) it is clearly shown to defy all conventional logic in its effects. A drop of rain creates something akin to a bullet wound and a leaf cuts someone's finger cleanly off. I don't think that arguments about 'amount of power' are relevant here, the calamities Wonder of U causes clearly aren't about 'how they do something' but 'that they do it' (it's not that the leaves were really sharp but that they were leaves that cut peoples fingers off). Also if Gojo used an ability it could probably be made to fail and backfire, making this a moot point.
The second is the nature of Wonder of U's defences. Firstly, Wonder of U can exist without its user so just killing them is not effective. Secondly, Wonder of U is described as a "natural law of calamity" and can very clearly only be destroyed by things outside the world's 'logic'. Gojo does not possess attacks which operate like this so he is unable to kill Wonder of U (a common response here is to mention Gojo's 'Purple' as it is described as producing 'imaginary mass' but to me this is framed as more or a mathematical 'imaginary number mass' instead of a 'does not exist mass' meaning it would likely not work).
I think the main cause of these misunderstandings is the difference in how power is presented in both series'. Power in Jujutsu Kaisen is a relatively traditional form of power, being more akin to energy or force (stronger people make bigger boom). In JJBA on the other hand, the 'energy' power levels are rather low, stronger people having more 'conceptual' power (stronger people invalidate all attacks from weaker people). This causes issues with the most powerful characters in JJBA as they possess abilities which make them undefeatable by normal means but end up looking very similar in 'energy' power to characters who do not possess this property (eg. The World, King Crimson, Made in Heaven, and maybe D4C: Love Train would probably lose but Gold Experience Requiem would likely win).
TL;DR Gojo is strong but Wonder of U's offensive and defensive properties cannot be mitigated without surpassing the 'logic' of the world, something which Gojo cannot do.
The only correct response
I hope wonder of u comes back without a user. The idea of a stand without one is haunting and especially with his powers makes him more terrifying.
@@idostuff6179Part 9 plays in the same universe as 7 and 8 no?
@@goran5844 I think it’s one of those stands that’s meant to exist regardless of the reset. It’s calamity/fate so as long as there’s that logic then the stand can never really die.
While the user is gone, the stand existed by itself for some time so it’s not unreasonable to assume it can come back without its user.
@@goran5844 Chat. I think I MIGHT just be the dumbest human being on planet earth.
Wonder of U has infinite range and pursues you endlessly even after the user is dead; it manipulates both logic and fate, which is also another Universal law/constant in the JoJoverse; in fact, you could argue that calamity is an aspect of fate and once targeted by it you are fated to die. You forgot to mention that Wonder of U could only be destroyed by Soft and Wet Go Beyond; i.e a bubble that exists outside of the logic of reality thereby causing Wonder of U's ability to be ineffective; Mamezuku explains that the bubbles "do not exist in this world". Even if Gojo does kill Tooru there is literally no chance for him to destroy the post-mortem form of Wonder of U since he would have to destroy the concept of calamity itself. There is basically no way Gojo wins because as stated he doesn't have access to an ability like Soft and Wet Go Beyond; all of his abilities are bound by reality. The only way I can see it is if you make the argument that purple is an imaginary attack and thereby is not bound by the laws of the Universe; i.e Yuki creating imaginary masses with her ability, but even that is tricky considering imaginary masses are consistent with our interpretation of the quantum physics and are only a different aspect of what we perceive to be "laws and constants" of our Universe.
EDIT : I want to add that my interpretation of Go Beyond is an ability that cannot be affected calamity; meaning that is beyond logic and fate of the JoJoverse : it is unaffected by the flow of calamity the manipulation of logic and fate itself.
Soft and wet go beyond destroyed wou with imaginary an imaginary mass like hollow purple
@@lordquastheonlyhollow purple Is not a imaginary,the Bubbles of soft and weat go beyod are not in the really insted hollow purple It Is
@@lordquastheonlyYes I gave my reasons on why I believe that Hollow Purple is not the same as Go Beyond however you could also interpret the imaginary mass to be like Go Beyond so I would say agree to disagree. It’s just how you view Mamazuku’s statement.
@@i.m.crazee5195 If hollow Purple was truly and absolutely not bound by laws and physics it would be bypass durability of characters since it even bypasses Gojo's Limitless barrier (chapter-235)
but even characters like Sukuna and Hanami have gotten hit by this attack and instead of disappearing, they tanked it with curse energy durability
Gojo also tanked his own Hollow Purple Nuke because apparently its his own curse energy so it doesn't do much damage to him
[SOFT & WET : GO BEYOND] literally does not follow any logic and does not exist in reality. it cannot be perceived, it doesn't follow linear flow of time, complete negates durability
While IHollow purple has the ability to erase a person or item from existence, in this case the stand user. I don’t think it can erase concepts, nor does it travel FTL. If we’re using tachyons, they probably move FTL within the Hollow purple ball, but if itself was FTL, JJK speed scaling becomes nutty.
I do however think it bypasses durability. I admit Hanami should have been OTK’d because he was clearly in the blast zone, but he wasn’t. I’ll cope a bit and say it wasn’t a direct hit, and Gojo sorta missed but this aside: the only way to negate hollow purple is to also have cursed energy. It’s a CT that is a delete button, but it is fueled by cursed energy. If you have enough cursed energy you can counter it or survive. If you don’t have Cursed energy to match Gojo’s output, it is a delete button. But not an existence eraser.
A reality warper does exist in JJK though, but Takaba isn’t explored too much yet so Idk how he’d fare. Jojo stands in general can get almost godlike in the dumbest ways so I’m not sure takaba how well he’d do
Why are people still going on about hollow purple being existence erasure that’s been debunked ever since sukuna tanked it and the latest chapter we see sukuna again survive a point blank purple explosion. As for the kenjaku and yuki statement the only reason kenjaku survived was due to yujis moms gravity CT that was the perfect counter to yukis mass CT
That hasn't really been debunked as the only thing that seems to be able to stop purple is domain amplification. At least it hasn't been said that anything else can stop purple. Domain amp basically creates a domain without a technique imbued around your body and absorbs incoming techniques. It's not tanking it I don't think.
Sukuna never tanked it.
What he did was negate most of it with Domain Amplification just like he did with Gojo's Red.
That is why only his hands were destroyed.
@@khulmach9662 that still doesn’t matter when people are straight up still saying purple is existence erasure which it isn’t. Even if DA is used just touching it in general should flat out erase you based on what people are still saying in the community and even in this video
@@PhantomEmperor Were Sukuna's hands not destroyed, they were a completely mess.
Even if Purple is not Existence eraser, its still an imaginary mass of opposing concepts of infinity that is impossible to exist without the 6-eyes.
Wonder of U gets hit by Hollow Purple and its game over. No different from the bubble spinning infinitely.
except it is, Sukuna tanked it bcos he has cursed energy. Cursed energy can be used to tank any hax in jjk
The second gojo look at WOU sukuna's just gonna happen to stumble over to the place they were at
exactly
The only way to defeat WoU is by break the 4th wall and using toon force
@@Therestrial205Wou was Manipulating fate itself I don't think infinity is gonna do anything.
@@Furretarepikmin When the hell I said Infinity could do anything to it?
Bro's answers is in autopilot 💀
*gojo gets hungry*
*eats food*
*gets food poisoning 💀*
wonder of u is a concept until gojo can destroy concepts he aint winning + he manipulates logic which is shown in jojolion to include: space, time and fate manipulation. so infinity aint doing nothing. plus if the stand user dies then wou still exists. + wou can literally manipulate abilities aswell
(Proceeds to lose to a bubble bound by space and time)
@@jackaboynaylor9273 The bubble from Gappy is supposed to be non-existent it is a thing that is imaginary and does not exist wym. That's literally the point of it; it isn't bound by logic.
Cursed spirits are literally concepts 💀
@@i.m.crazee5195hollow purple is an imaginary technique
@@xezevahcnot the same thing
Are we really discussing that a cosmic level threat has the potential to be challenged by Gojo?
More like conceptual-outerversal right? This video makes would look weak just watch the most terrifying stands : wonder of u by metas
It's like told random guy to jump in lava with latex
The lava is deadly but did nothing
And the random guy just killed himself by made a contact with lava
@@nathanroberts9482 not outer ig maybe hyper, outer scaling deals with plot manipulation and meta and ortho structures, you can say WoU is a nigh-meta structure but I think it is not because it obeys to laws of "stands" so yeah
@@LordTevleafwell it obey law of stand as avatar
Calamity itself can't never truly be destroyed
This state by gappy after get go beyond
It can't be destroyed didn't mean it can't be defeated as gappy did
It's basically random guy vs laxative pills..
This is still quite silly. All of Gojo's techniques exist with the Logic of JJK's world, rendering them useless.
what's funny is that idk why gojo fans still don't understand that hollow purple is just a positive and negative magnets that is combined. and that creates a FORCE, which means the idea of a force (i.e magnets) are inside the understanding of logic, and WoU ability goes beyond reasoning and logic
How to powerscale WoU:
If it obeys logic in *ANY* WAY, WoU will make it turn on you.
As seen with how Calamity killed Johnny and his stand, Tusk Act 4 (which uses the power of infinite rotation), Infinity is subject to Calamity.
The only way i believe Gojo could win this fight is if he used Hollow Purple, as in a way, it is similar to Soft & Wet: Go Beyond, the only ability that could harm Wonder of U. Though this is a technicality and might not play out correctly.
This whole fight is probably the most up to speculation fight I've ever seen, though I think Wonder of U would be the winner 90% of the time.
Imaginary doesn’t mean Beyond Logic. Gojo is still bound by the laws of the universe, the rules of cursed energy, how he wouldn’t even be able to see WOU. Hollow Purple being an existence eraser implies the universe is using its logic to give that thing existence initially. Where as Concepts like Calamity are intangible, they are still in the bounds of logic, but cannot realistically exist in a physical form, as everything that could come under as a calamity is incomprehensible, which is what makes WOU so powerful. Gojo could theoretically cause damage with hollow purple on WOU, but Go Beyond could flick out one bubble to ruin Gojos entire bag.
For the last time.. THE WONDER OF U DID NOT KILL JOHNNY! The spin caused the Ginko tree leaves to gain a stand, and that stand sent that boulder to kill Johnny.
@@laravioliiii2832 How is what you described happened to Johnny not a calamity tho?😂
The entire story of jojolion was about breaking a curse (Calamity). Wonder of u is essentially the main villain of the entire story itself since it's the literal manifestation of misfortune.
Johnny was killed by the Calamity but the bullet he shot at his son caused the series of events necessary for Josuke to be born as the perfect counter and destroy wonder of u.
As described in steel ball run, Tusk Act 4's bullets will always reach it's target, it may take a detour but it will reach its destination. When Johnny shot his son he was shooting Calamity (The curse or misfortune) and eventually through Josuke it reached its target.
@@trinityt1194 Calamity has always existed. Tooru's ability isn't to create Calamity, it's too control it. So yes, he did die to a calamity, but it wasn't caused by Wonder of U.
I actually forgot the calamity gave Johnny’s son a disease and made Johnny off himself
Honestly, its either a stalemate, or Gojo loses. There's no real way for Gojo to kill Wonder of U completely. Calamity will exist even after the physical body of Wonder of U dies.
There IS a way to kill Gojo, even if it's not readily available for Wonder of U. But at some point, one way or another, Gojo will die to calamity.
You niggas keep saying that when the wonder of U clearly lost, also hollow purple it's an imaginary mass it doesn't exist
Yea thats ridiculous.. gojos limitless would stop everything thrown at him, it doesnt just stop curse techniques lol and his rct, as far as poison goes, we have no actual proof yet that he cant heal from it, he just couldnt as a teen.. with recent developments i highly doubt he couldnt deal with anything wonder of u has to offer..
Poison:
@filthyshiba poison also doesn't work on gojo, his CT works on an atomic level.
@@bruceshmurandom heart attack or something happens to his brain
21:08 Calmity is everywhere so it doesn't actually matter if Gojo uses his domain or not because he will still be effected by calamity
21:08 Also, it doesn't have to be 0.2 seconds. Gojo only did 0.2 seconds of his domain in Shibuya because people were all around him and their brains would become mush. And since in this scenario he's walking around the ruins of Shibuya, then there should be no reason another human to be there. So can't he use his full domain to give himself more time? And even not and I missed something that explained why Gojo wouldn't be able to use the full length of his domain, why can't he do 0.5 seconds? 0.8? It's not like 0.2 is the limit that calamity manifests itself into the domain since that is never said anywhere in canon and also because both characters are from different series, and 0.2 seconds was told explicitly to be the amount of time before a normal non sorcerer would be effected by Gojo's domain.
@@enderwill2694W
For anyone who thinks gojo can win is severly mistaken. Mostly because this video describes WOU as being way weaker than it actually is.
WOU can cause illogical things so happen such as normal raindrops becoming deadly, a falling leaf being able to cut through your body or something annihilating you by simply bumping into you.
Yes WOU could kill gojo by just destryoing his brain but it could just as easily make the air around gojo poisonous with a new chemical that is way deadlier than any normal poison and can't be healed as easily. Or it could even cause something ti bypass infinity entirely.
Although WOU is all hax and no stats, most things like speed and strength as irrelevant because of its ability to manipulate fate.
The only possible ways for gojo to kill WOU is with either domain expansion or hollow purple. Both of which would have gojo think of attacking WOU and require an action resulting in WOU's ability activating.
Many people will argue that hollow purple and go beyond are the same. Although I don't believe so, even if they were the same, luck played a huge role in josuke's win. Not to mention the fact that go beyond in itself was the result of the rokaka.
Wou isnt just hax, he also has infinite/inaccasible speed scaling of mih pucci, at least mountain level destruction on his own and AP just below soft and wet since wou is literally logic, so its therefore below outerversal
@@Georgefloydthesneedster wou is not logic he manipulates fate and sequences, that is not outerversal. Gojo pursuing toruu and WOU will not cause in an immediate death. It is chance, there could be the first pursuit response that kills gojo, such as a slash that cuts existence itself (sukuna's courtesy) or literally his heart exploding (which can be healed with rct)
Or it could take MULTIPLE attempts for WOU to kill him. Its different each time, If gojo pops an infinite void thats killing tooru, i dont know about WOU, but a hollow purple is definetly killing him since go beyond basically is close enough to what hollow purple is doing
@@zyofroma5718 hollow purple is a black hole, something based in reality that sukuna easily tanked. Go beyonds bubbles literally dont exist and are beyond reality. Comparing the 2 is comparing narutos striking strength to gokus striking strength.
And wou is literally logic, go watch metas and kalebs videos on him
@@zyofroma5718 again, hollow purple ISNT ANYTHING CLOSE TO GO BEYOND. Hollow purple is essentially a miniature black hole, while the bubble quite literally doesnt exist. It is BEYOND reality, BEYOND logic, Hollow purple is a black hole, it exists in our reality, it ISNT beyond logic.
Wou IS logic, again, watch metas and kalebs video on him. And he IS outerversal since he scales directly to d4c lovetrain who is considered at least multiversal+.
Gojo pursuing wou wouldnt result in an immediate death, but hed not get very far. Calamity increases exponentially, going from a pebble being hurled at you to a literal meteor striking you. If it comes down to it, wou will just split 2 atoms inside gojo and destroy him instantly where rct cant do anything for him anymore.
@@zyofroma5718 Hollow purple and go beyond are not similar at ALL. Hollow purple is stated to destroy on an atomic level, and go beyond literally just is beyond reality entirely. These are not comparable. Gojo loses.
*gojo takes one step*
*gust of wind and a pebble on the ground in question*
Nah the single pebble traveling at light speed casually oblitarates half of gojos body
Raw stats like speed, durability, etc shouldnt really matter to wonder of you because you can't punch a concept that can scale attacks to harm to target. Gojo's manipulation of space (which isn't even uncommon in jojo's, and even then its at a weaker extent to some) is based off of logic/fate. The fact that calamity is essentially fate manipulation using the logic of the universe is far beyond gojo. gojo would literally have to overcome fate which is something we haven't seen him do and wou would scale higher than love train's 4d mathematical dimensions, and by extension gojo and the physics behind the tachyon
A leaf falls on gojo and he dies lmao
U casually giving its user admin commands of the universe and the unconscious ability to say “if you see my face while standing even a few feet away, or get close enough to touch me? Lmao, universe? Kill this man, instantly!”
WoU clears. Purple hollow is still bound by logic, hence Sukuna tanking three of them. If it weren’t, it would bypassed Sukuna’s durability. I don’t believe gojo can win this won, chief.
WOU doesn't have any durability feat to withstand hollow purple
@@davimedina5165 Dosen’t need it, when the calamity is automatic. Good luck for Gojo hitting him first, before a calamity strikes. Plus, WoU can not be killed unless with attacks beyond logic (hence soft & wet go beyond) or conceptual erasure/reality warping.
@@lilityler1340 there is nothing WOU can do to attack gojo due to his limitless technique, also by beyond logic you mean his building level logic that kills regular humans ? 😂 yeah that's a No Limits fallacy, WOU has never showed any feat whatsoever that proves he is able to withstand hollow purple which actually is a illogical attack due to it's imaginary nature, it's literally called a imaginary technique and gojo himself explains it that is like conjuring negative 1 apples into reality, WOU cant bypass gojo's limitless technique defense while his hollow purple is illogical by nature and erases things out of existence, WOU gets no diffed
@@davimedina5165 Yes, he does. I explained it to you. Just because it is called imaginary attack, doesn't mean it is illogical or imaginary. Otherwise, Sukuna wouldn't turned him into a sashimi. WoU control the flow of calamity, which is passive and has unlimited range so long someone pursuit him. The only one with the building logic is go/jo. But keep on denying, you most definitely haven't read Jojolion or/and still coping that the divided one got packed up.
@@davimedina5165dawg didnt the comment just say that he cant be attacked because hollow purple goes by logic-
I actually really like the speed scaling in this video. It's a lot more believable than the "infinitely fast because he was moving in a timeless realm" speed scaling that I heard before, at least in my opinion.
Both feats are true, in my opinion.
@@davidarvingumazon5024 yea personally i just cant see how his ct having a weird trait could possibly ever translate to infinite speed and it doesn't make any sense either but thats just my personal opinion.
Gojo when WOU makes oxygen even more corrosive:🫠
This matchup is INSANE and im here for it
Gojo: Hollow...p- *airplane proceed to fly to gojo*
"*deep exhale* Jesse.. I messed with Wonder of U, and I got lung cancer."
There's an interaction between WOU and PUCCHI and WOU says "Accelerate time all you want you can't escape the calamity" implying the rate of calamity changes by how fast or how harmful you are to TOORU or WOU if you're going light speed the calamity will activate just as fast. Also WOU is just like Kars Unkillable having high godly tier regeneration, you can destroy it but it will eventually menifest again and come back for you.
WoU's calamity depends on how much you want to pursue the target. Let's say, you target WoU with a building level ability. Calamity would take in place and strike back with another building level threat and nullify/cancel your ability. Therefore if Gojo uses Purple against WoU, Gojo wouldn't even be able to use Purple and he'd most likely die instantly. Plus, calamity is can also be a damage multiplier. This has been shown many times in the manga. One time was when it suddenly started to rain, and those rain droplets were as strong as a bullet. If Gojo had intrusive thoughts about Tooru/WoU, he'd simply die. "What about Gojo's 6 eyes?" Why would Gojo use his 6 eyes on someone he doesn't wanna pursue? By the moment he pursues WoU/Tooru, he'd die. But, let's say Gojo managed to use 6 eyes on WoU. Great, now Gojo can simply activate reversed cursed technique to make it a stalemate, right? Nope. WoU once stated, "nothing in earth, or even the heavens shall help you"
need i explain more?
greatly explained + hollow purple wouldnt hit wou becuase its still bound by space the only reason gappy's bubbles killed wou is because the bubbles transended logic
I think it operates more on what the threat of the intent itself is rather than how much of said intent there is. Going from mild to fatal. I mean we know from Koichi and Tooru’s interaction that seeing the user’s face is a literal death sentence.
1 something being bound by space has ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOO Correlation to WOU's defense! WOU cannot 'attack' or 'stop' an attack from happening once it has already been unleashed (energy beam) he can only kill the person who has unleashed it before or after, he has no way of dodging or stopping a ftl hollow purple.
2 And WOU has zero control over logic, only fate and sequences??? And even if we do go with that, hollow purple and unlimited void defy logic itself. thats why hollow purple doesnt exist? Its literally mixing two opposing forces, Repellance and Attrance, creating an imaginary mass that morphs into erasure of matter since matter will essentially be broken.
3 Azure, Which has an incredible gravitational effect has a space-time effect also, seeing as azure functions exactly, higher, or similar to a blackhole (as red does a white hole) And these forces are known to 'stop' or 'slow' otherwise affect time.
4 And gojo's six eyes isnt something he turns off or on. Its not an attack, or a pursuit. Its just information that hes being displayed with.
5 Wou's statements are in HIS universe, he is not outerversal or transdimensional, he has not ever heard of rct or known of it. And this is just him being 'menacing' as multiple characters stated themselves to be the best, strongest, in the entire universe or to be able to kill everyone in the world, or something along those lines but they were all just gassed up comments of themselves to be menacing. Thats like saying jiren stating himself to be stronger than belmod is true because he said it, its not.
6, Domain expansion is definetly killing WOU. Its sentient, it processes information, but it does not know everything in the universe, and definetly not anything in the jjk verse. Its going to render him unable to do anything, and if he controls the calamity, which he does, he will no longer be able to attack gojo after the domain expansion.
BUT. All of this relies on WOU's first calamity being something that infinity, rct, or a blue can stop the calamity from hurting gojo or killing him.
And if gojo just aims for WOU first, tooru dies.
@@zyofroma5718
1.Something bound by space does hVe correlation with wonder of u because it’s position can be manipulated similar to the way the green baby did
2.Wonder of you doesn’t just have control over logic it is logic it literally says so itself the flow of calamity is the flow of reason
3. This is not an unfamiliar concept in the jojo verse verse in fact it is a crucial part in its cosmology. Wonder of U has control over all these phenomena
4. Sure but as long as he has intent, or will calamity will ensue.
5. Everyone’s statement’s are in their universe i don’t think you understand how stupid this point is.
6. Wonder of U is completely invincible. Even if you destroy the stand it will just come back. There is no way to truly destroy it even with an attack that doesn’t follow logic like go beyond because as stated in point 2 wonder of u IS logic and exists EVERYWHERE in EVERY timeline in EVERY universe.
7. A simple way to determine if a character will lose to wonder of u is to simply look at their past, have they ever experienced any form of bad luck? If so then they are guaranteed to lose.
8. Also hollow purple and unlimited void don’t “defy” logic you don’t know what defying logic means.
@@zyofroma5718
1. WOU is able to stop attacks. Yea, it can't prevent attacks from reaching Tooru or himself, but Calamity can stop abilities from happening. The only reason why Josuk8 was able to defeat WOU was because Josuk8 was second on WOU's kill list. If Josuk8 was first on WOU's kill list, WOU would've prevented Josuk8's soap bubble from happening.
2. "The world is strung together by logic and reason. No matter what stand ability I'm dealing with it shouldn't be able to reach beyond that logic and attack or touch me like this! This act of pursuit toward me will definitely be delivered back as a serious wound of calamity! Because the flow of calamity is also the flow of reason! The **logic** and reason of this world are tied together in a continuous sequence! It's completely impossible to go beyond that sequence! It can never happen... never! It's impossible to surpass it. No one has ever surpass Wonder Of U's flow of calamity."Hollow Purple or Unlimited Void does not DEFY logic. Gojo explains in chapter 75, that he creates "imaginary mass" via hollow purple. Quick info dumb but, Fields of imaginary mass are called Tachyonic fields. Tachyons have imaginary mass due to their negative squared mass. Similarly, unstable massive particles have complex mass, with the real part as their usual mass and the imaginary part as the decay rate in natural units. What this means is, Imagine you have a particle that's not very stable, like it might disappear after a while. We can describe this particle's properties in a special way. The "real part" is like its regular mass, telling us how heavy it is. The "imaginary part" is like a number that tells us how quickly the particle disappears or decays. This is basically what Gojo's hollow purple is all about. This instability is brought to fruition via Gojo's hollow purple. So, it's technically the destruction of matter. Tachyons still follow Logic and reason. Even if, let's say, Gojo's Hollow Purple did defy Logic, Calamity would prevent it from happening in the first place (unless Gojo's 2nd on WOU's kill list, for some reason). As for Unlimited Void, how the hell does it defy Logic? All it's been said is that Unlimited Void gives the user an infinite amount of knowledge. Yea, WOU can process information and it doesn't know everything in the JJK verse, but Gojo doesnt have the ability to destroy the soul or the spirit, so it means Gojo cant destroy WOU, he can only destroy Tooru's body.
3. Doesn't matter, they still follow a flow of reason. Reason = Logic, if anything follows a flow of Reason, they can't touch WOU.
4. How the hell is Gojo's 6 eyes gonna do shi against WOU? A stand is a physical manifestation of somebody's soul, yet it doesn't exist in the same plane as us. I mean, sure, Gojo's 6 eyes can process Tusk, Ball Breaker, or S&W;GB since they all have spin imbued in them, but how the hell is Gojo gonna know what WOU is/can do?
5. "WOU's statements are in HIS universe." That's like saying, "why don't we chop Mike Tyson's hands off and make him fight a Taekwando player with 20 years of experience to the death." All of Gojo's statements are in HIS universe. Calamity can still function fine in the JJK universe (Reason ≠ Logic in the JJK verse, that's all. Nothing more, nothing less). But the JJBA verse doesn't have cursed energy. If you really wanna take this into account, then Gojo's domain does nothing to Tooru, Gojo dies to Calamity before using Hollow Purple. Calamity can instakill. "Oh, what about Gojo's infinity? Calamity can target the person itself and not use the environment, like through a sudden heart attack. Gojo wouldn't focus on using RCT so an instakill heart attack will work. If you don't wanna take this into account, Calamity can make Gojo trip and fall and accidentally use Hollow Purple on himself. Don't forget, Hollow Purple is an imaginary mass and if Infinity doesn't process something as a threat, then it'll bypass infinity. But since Hollow Purple is an imaginary mass, then Infinity can't even process it.
Now, lemme explain Calamity rq
-Once you thought to pursue the head doctor identity (Aka. Tooru)
You’ll get trapped into calamity flow
-Once you get trapped, if you think about pursuing the head doctor (even the slightest), a calamity will occur upon you.
-The nearer you are to the truth, the calamity will become more severe and vice versa.
It's like the opposite of Love Train which is a calamity reflector so the stand user is safe. Wonder of U will give the calamity itself to its pursuer.
Since Gojo's 6 eyes allow him to see the truth, Gojo's gonna die before activating his domain. "Nothing in earth, or even the heavens shall help you." This could go in many ways. Gojo's domain's gonna somehow malfunction, Gojo's RCT malfunctions, Gojo sneezes and makes the wrong hand sign and fails to create a domain, Gojo gets a heart attack before he uses RCT, Gojo trips on a banana peel and hits his head too hard, Gojo's stomach ache stops him from using domain and he dies, the food Gojo ate earlier somehow rises back to his throat and he chokes to death, etc.
This isn’t a battle, it’s a slaughter
Don't know how this was a debate to even begin with 😂
Gojo: This is it! Hollow Technique: pur-
Sukuna pulling up after eating the 20th finger: hey
Gojo when he dies because the random molecules from the surroundings turns into 18382 different types of poisons
The fact that I know you got this idea from looking at vs battle wiki is crazy
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Unless I'm mistaken, this is exactly where he dies. The calamity effects of wou have been shown to both defy laws of physics (raindrops hitting with the force of bullets) and use your own or other powers against you (mamezuku rai falling into josuke's bubble trap)
As for why here exactly, the effects of calamity are automatic, triggering when someone intends to pursue tooru or wou, but the kicker is that it's as sensitive as being curious about the identity of the head doctor.
Since wou's calamities can nearly take off someone's leg just by bumping them or altering the outcome of an otherwise equivalent exchange, who's to say they can't just ignore the properties of infinity and punch a hole in him anyway?
Cursed energy is different from stand energy, being negative emotions rather than life force, meaning the stand advantage applies. Despite this, wou is visible to non-stand users, but this is bad for the sorcerer, since wou mostly leaves people alone if they don't try to pursue. Even if hollow purple being an imaginary force means it's above logic, the introductory scenario you gave out doesn't give him a chance to pull out his strongest attacks before trying to aim them at wou gets him killed.
While im not a fan of using pixelmeasurements to judge speed in anime/manga due to how inconsistent and sometimes not to scale the drawing/animation is I must still give you props for how well it was done.
Yeah I’m sure everyone LOVED that he didn’t round to significant digits and proceeded to read 47 digits 💀
Bro also said JoJo's is motorcycle speed 😭
The fact that there are still so many brainless people who believe that Gojo beats Tooru/Wonder of u or that he even has a chance is a total lack of respect for Wonder of u, cry Gojo's simps
Can it really get though is infinty tho and he can just obliterate purple ALSO I LIKE WOMEN NOT GO/JO Alr ?
What?
@@JamieKnott WoU can snap people's neck with air, obviously it would mess around gojo's cursed technique
@@JamieKnott Literally Wonder of u could make gojos infinity get ripped by a leaf
he probably could beat tooru somehow wouldnt really help tho
You also have to remember that only a STAND can hurt a STAND. A person can't hit a STAND. You have to attack the STAND'S Summoner.
But isn’t a stand a extension of the user soul gojo can directly interact with souls
A domain expansion will affect tooru if wou is in the middle of attack
@@soulzakira6060this has never happened nor has been stated the most we see is six eyes letting gojo see megumis soul in sukuna as he took unlimited voids effects for him.
When it comes to battles between series you have to equalize. Some one like Darth Vader would easily defeat and kill ganondorf from Zelda despite the series claim that only the master sword can defeat ganon.
Therefore gojo would most likely be able to, at the very least, perceive Wonder of You. Hollow purple is very similar to vanilla ice so I don't see any reason why gojo would be unable to harm stands.
@@PhantomEmperor Have been stated and happen if gojo RCT is directly healing him in sukuna domain which we know he can attack the soul bc Inumaki arm still cant heal and the gojo side kick got hit and still could use RCT to heal it properly him also affecting kenjaku body when Kenjaku soul isn't their also you prove that he would be able to directly mess with the soul with UV bc as u said megumi soul took the effect of it
The second Gojo tries to attack WoU, he suffers massive brain damage, a heart attack and organ failure due to WoUs abilities ignoring range, and Gojo being untouchable by physical means. Gojo could probably use RCT to heal himself but even then WoU dominates with his Calamity hax alone.
Gojo 6 eyes actually prevents him from getting brain damage
@@Luvs0nny Gojo literally gets brain damage in the show.. what do you mean?
@@RalMaybe he meant mental and not phsyical. gojo literally destroyed a physical part of his brain. Like quite literally. destroyed his frontal cortex and then healed it with rct until he couldnt heal it anymore and boom..no domain.
If the first calamity does not manage to kill gojo due to infintiy, or rct, it is over. (calamities are not gaurenteed to kill, they are calamities.)that nanosecond in time or less that it takes to create hollow purple and fire it off (it being an imaginary mass, therefore 'instant' (to us) or ftl, would kill WOU before he could react, instantaneously.
Hollow purple does NOT follow logic. Neither does blue, or red, or his domain expansion. Blue is negative mass (which is not possible so the universe has to recirpocate by creating mass which is not possible again so gojo is defying logic and forcing the universe to cope with this, also defying logic.) Red is the amplifcation and creation of infinite, sped up mass which again is not possible. Both of these abilities defy logic, and even if you think they DONT, Hollow purple does. Hollow purple is the mixture of the force of repellance and attractance, The foreign space created from amplification is being ripped apart by the infinity that has been brought into reality via red. It’s hard to explain but if you constantly rip space infinitely, ur left with nothing, nothing cannot be defined so it’s imaginary mass,deleting anything it comes into contact with. which is again defying the logic of the universe since matter cannot be created or destroyed.
And boy dont let me start on the domain expansion of gojo.
@@zyofroma5718 even if we where to agree that hollow purple ignores logic, Gojo himself does not. HP would never kill WoU because the flow of calamity would cause Gojo to miss. Perhaps even hit himself instead.
And just anticipating the "but go beyond killed WoU". i would just like to remind you that came down to luck. Gappy won becuase he got lucky (aka the plot said so).
So basically, Law of Calamity is the true embodiment of Murphy's Law
That is the most accurate description of the law of calamity I’ve heard
Gojo: Throughout Heaven and earth-
Wonder of U: *B r a i n D a m a g e*
I'd also say calamity would bypass infinity since the objects that harm you aren't dangerous objects, so they wouldn't be stopped
Definitely. Calamity isn’t an object like how hollow sorta kinda is maybe? It’s a universal concept, beyond our comprehension of the universe. You can’t fight or kill an idea conventionally. You can’t domain expansion “love” for instance, because love is an idea or concept, and can’t be expressed inside the domain.
“...Against the most overpowered character we have recently seen since Saitama” 💀
Maybe you guys are underestimating WOU. He literally manipulates logic, which means he can surpass Gojo's Infinite easily because it is bound by logic. It doesn't even make sense. Literally, Gojo's Infinite was disabled so he was completely overwhelmed. The reason SaWGB can defeat WoU is because it is not bound by logic because it "does not exist" to put it more simply "never existed in logic" and everything is affected by logic.
As soon as gojo thinks about hurting wonder of u a calamity will come. He is a law of the universe and interacts with fate it is pretty hard to power scale the embodiment of a law of the universe even without feeds. Who knows how far wonder of u can boost stuff using calamity and even has these small rock bugs if gojo doesn't realize a litteral rock can eat his flesh off that may do some damage and apply a constant bleed unless he repairs his body with reverse curse. Calamity can block almost anything the only thing that took him down was something that didn't follow the law of the universe, even with the domain expansion wonder of u can make infinite illusions of hinself maming it a 1/x opportunity he'll hit the wonder of u the x depends in how many wonder of u clones there are. Futher more anything can become lethal via calamity for who knows maybe gojo doesn't realize the rain is going to rip trough his skin before it happens. There is so many different ways i see wonder of u taking out gojo because again he interacts with fate (meaning that only something that ignores fate can kill him) and futher on. He has a post mortum state where I'm 90% sure he can just straight up target people with calamity. And also stands on themselves (especially long range) can go a lot faster then their user/normal people. And also he can tp. Also if we would go trough the whole "stands cant be seen by none stand user and none curse users cant see curse" would go so mutch more in wonder of u favor since gojo wouldn't know that a ghost like thing was punching his knee caps out with a calamity powered kane. So goddamn many possibilities that almost zero lead to gojos victory
This guy is calculating all sorts of powerscaling stuff when that really doesn't matter in Jojos. It's more interesting to think how the fight would go down. The only way Gojo could win is by figuring out some way of acting outside of logic, while trying to avoid the insane Calamity that would be constantly hitting him. In fact going at insane speeds would be REALLY BAD against WoU, as we see one way to slow the calamity is to not move at all. Honestly would be a really cool fight
My Guy It's Not Even Close.
Bro an't giving wou enough credit. Any thought about harming Toru triggers it. And they could vary from instant heart attack to Valentine from Jojo's traveling to this world and bringing a alternate GoJo that annihilates him on contact.
Don't forget, wonder of you shields himself using calamity, and massively outspeeds Gojo
Infinity is like using the six eyes to input imaginary values that shouldn't exist into reality, like a hacker using adding to the source code
Go beyond is like literally just non existent. It exists in a different dimensions therefore it doesn't follow the logic of the universe of the person using it
Hollow purple vs go beyond is like using a script to hack a game versus a manga character from a manga on the same desk as the table just existing in it while not existing in it and killing everyone in the game. They are not comparable at all
tooru: "calamity is not a force for good, nor does it cares about evil"
go/jo: his balls just explode in a second
I mean, calamity scales to whatever would stop the user. Smaller things such as tripping or bumping into things can be used to stop less impactful pursuit against more human durability. However, if someone as strong as gojo were to pursue, calamity would be much stronger and geared towards stopping him. For example, maybe a gas line would break and cover the area in fire and dangerous fumes, forcing gojo to either dispel the fire or back away. At the closest possibility, wonder of u could technically have an object coincidentally do an infinite rotation (it's improbable to an insane level, but not impossible). And the infinite rotation would bypass infinity and kill gojo. Either way, gojo will never reach wonder of u.
Infinity stops anything harmful from making contact with Gojo, that'd include poisons. (Though I do agree Gojo still loses)
@@moonceIl what if gojo "ACCIDENTALLY" sneezes his brains out💀 how's infinity saving him 💀💀💀
RCT. It's passive.@@yoriichitsugikuni6970
Or getting cancer or immediate organ failure? Not to mention the little ignored fact that if you get close enough to toru (stand user of Wonder of U) calamity, fate, the universe, whatever, immediately goes “this man? Cancel his subscription to life, immediately. I don’t care how, I don’t care why, do it instantly, in whatever way instantly ends him without failure or chance of defending against it”
Only if you see his face, but it’s still and insta win.
Wonder of U would be able to manipulate Gojo's ability itself as it exists within the realm of logic (there is a logic behind it). And if you think not, calamity has already been shown to manipulate the infinite rotation in chapter 22, when Johnny was trying to save his son. Which I'd argue is a lot more impressive than manipulating Gojo's limitless, as Johnny's infinite rotation can pry open Love Train's barrier which is basically connected to all of space and time (as it is shown redirecting misfortune onto people in the future and whatnot).
Also, calamity might not be instant, but I believe that doesn't matter. Manipulating calamity, is essentially like manipulating fate, you're fated to die, as you get closer to Wonder of U, the effects of Calamity gets stronger. If you somehow get right in his face, you'll still be hit by something unexpected.
It is very possible that Gojo's infinity barrier can even turn against him as it is something that calamity would realistically be able to manipulate.
Wrong. You don't understand Gojo's Hollow Purple entirety, and Gojo's Infinity negs Prison Realm, Prison Realm is 5D - beyond the law of time, and negates every rule, and have feats that refers time as 4D part of space-time - refers to Author explaining his ability, so beyond 4D makes Prison Realm a 5D.
It does matter. Wonder of U gets hit by Gojo's Domain Expansion, and can't activate Calamity.
No, it won't. You're implying Calamity is mind manipulation.
What do you mean gojo negs prison realm? He literally got sealed for 100 chapters the only reason he got out is because he was rescued
@davidarvingumazon5024 Tusk, or the infinite spin, also scales above both time and space. It was seen moving even when time itself had been stopped(TWAU), and chasing opponents betwen infinte dimensions(D4C:LT). And calamity still had control over it. + his Domain expansion can't affect Wonder of U. There is no amount of information that exists that wonder of U doesn't already know. But most importantly there is no attack gojo can use against WOU that would hit it because it simply ain't a being, it's a concept.
Bruh. These guys talking about a universal law manipulating conceptual being vs a space + matter manipulating physical being. Yes. Gojo is impressive. Yes. He can annihilate matter. Can Gojo annihilate concepts? If so... then why exactly did he **** to ********? His infinity ****** to ******* him from ********'s *****. His ability isn't trancending of concepts, or he would have ********.
Personally I think speed as usual takes the win here.
Even if gojo is somehow impacted it's not gonna happen before he can make multiple moves.
Jjk speed is on the lower end for battle manga and such but it's still no joke with gojo. We are talking likely dozens of times the speed of sound.
bro can teleport by basically making wormholes
Wonder of U was only able to be destroyed with an imaginary, nonexistent attack lol
@@i.m.crazee5195 it's user is flesh and blood homie.
Also gojo literally creates imaginary space. That's how red repells. And blue attracts.
You could make the argument it would thrash U
@@FeedMeSalt I don't know if you read JoJolion but Wonder of U persists after the stand user dies, and it was only destroyed by Soft and Wet Go Beyond's ability; creating a bubble that to quote of the characters "does not exist of this world" i.e existing outside of the defined laws of physics and reality of that verse. The thing with the imaginary mass is tricky because you could argue that purple exists within the confines of our reality considering the fact that it is based on Quantum Physics and the concept of masses that cannot be quantified i.e the theory of Tachyons. That is definitely a possible answer to WoU being destroyed. However imo, the interpretation more consistent with the manga is that WoU exists as a concept of the Universe; calamity is an aspect of fate (a universal law in JoJo, several characters have seen to manipulate and transcend the concept of fate; Soft and Wet Go Beyond, GER, King Crimson, Dragon's Dream) and transcends the logic of the verse ( this is not only stated but shown with the airplane example the plane had already been creaking and breaking even before the individual was targeted meaning it transcends the linear interpretation of time) ; i.e Calamity is fate willing you to die. Soft and Wet Go Beyond however is literally transcendent of the laws of the universe, it transcends fate and logic which WoU manipulates hence why Gappy was able to destroy WoU with it.
@@i.m.crazee5195gojo can use hollow purple wich deletes everything. Even it wonder of u made a damn star appear out of no were it wouldn't matter. And sukuna used domain amplification to block hollow purple so don't even try to mean that. Hollow purple or hell even blue or red can't he blocked or redirected by wou so he just loses end of story
Wonder of U: Thę førçę øf çąląmįty įš ūńęšçàpàblę
*Gojo’s RCT haywires and he randomly suffers a heart attack*
i know it been 6 months but... wou still claps gojo. wou control calamity. calamity is logic and bad luck. if u have an attack that can bypass logic that means u have a ''chance'' to beat wou. if Gojo uses hollow purple wou calamity can just make him miss he can hit his own head. the olny way gojo can win if u make wou MASSIVELY NERF and buff Gojo rct. Like Gojo have like Deadpool level regeneration and make wou calamity only use cars and normal calamity and not Leafs being able to cuts Ur hands. (For short:for gojo to win buff rct and nerf wou calamity)
context: wou abilty dosent need to be nerf just deadpool level regeneration as deadpool can heal from a drop of blood.
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
The fight was already over before it started because the only reason to defeat wonder of u, you will need a stand like soft and wet go beyond which has bubbles that are litteraly non existent or something not bound by reality(i tried to simplify.)
Purple is an imaginary space so arguably that could work similar to soft and wet bubbles no?
Wonder of U cannot go pass infinity nor can it make Gojo turn off his power or even choke on air.
@@RapTapTap69 we can technically call it something imaginary but isn't
@@khulmach9662 you can make gojo exhausted or maybe he has something to remove infinity
@@khulmach9662 infinity doesn't filter out things it deems as non threats so a fly could land on gojo and cause severe damage like how WoU attacked with raindrops. Not saying this is an immediate wincon for WoU but just something to keep in mind
"if you peruse the doctor nothing under heaven and earth will be on your side"
Wonder of U vs Gojo is basically -
Gojo: thinks of attack,
WoU: severe brain damage + stage 4 cancer
people from the JJK manga should know how bad brain damage is for Gojo
bro? Wonder of Yu isnt going to specifically give him brain damage and gojo's technique literally damages his brain he just instantly repairs it using RCT
WoU doesnt just give him whatever he wants, thats not how calamity works...
@@kemalthom475 Only hiss burnout and detection give him brain damage and to very different extents.
Prove that the calamity won't target his biggest weakness.
Calamity will find the way to kill gojo he might even die to car crash
@@potapax9718 it's a joke bro
Gojo”you fool,HOLLOW PUR-“
WOU”fire that and your gay for todo”
Gojo”…HOLLOW PURPL-“
WOU(turns gojo into James Charles)
Wonder of U is literally the force of fate itself, I don't think anything can be that unless your ability can attack concepts
now that i know how gojo's limitless works, who would ein between gojo and the green baby? both use the same distance paradox as power therefore none of them can attack the other
I dont believe infinity slows down cancer💀💀💀💀💀
Yes it's just protect from attacks but how about a disease
"Two unstoppable forces"
Let me stop you right there, KitKat.
Gojo: Nah I'd Win
WoU: *turns Gojo into a woman and have him get pregnant by Sukuna*
NAH 😭
Wonder of U probably cuts him in half as a funny ironic calamity
11:25 That calc measures the distance piercing blood were from his face instead of the actual timeframe which would be the distance piercing blood travelled when Kenny dodged. Common mistake.
If you can measure the distance it traveled when he moved his head and then divide that by the speed of sound, you would get the proper timeframe which you can use to divide the distance Kenny traveled.
You can't be faster than something if you move a lesser distance in the same timeframe so Kenny would probably be slower if you calced it like that though in reality he would be more like relative to it and just didn't travel as far as he could have.
14:07 Hakari got blitzed by the lightning with us only seeing movement from him after the bolt disappeared meaning any timeframe using the bolt is invalid. The Mach 4,000 calc also incorrectly measures the distance to his face just like the Kenny calc instead of the distance to his arm and also assumes cloud the ground lightning speed. This feat has been calced to subsonic taking all of them into account.
I don't know what Gojo's Blue is doing there. Like you know the speed at which it subtracts space or something? The distance it's subtracting?
And nice supersonic feat for Yuta 🤣 guess running a few hundred if that something metres in a dozen panels is supersonic.
Not to mention that only the initial velocity of PB is mach 1, and it slows down significantly while traveling even shorter distances
Gojo: alright I’m gonna kick your a-Ow I stepped on a pebble…and my foot just exploded.
WoU: that’s calamity baby
If we were gonna take Gojo’s purple at its exact definition, it’s technically an imaginary mass similar to Josuke’s bubbles. It’s a big stretch but it could be possible for Gojo to hit Wonder of U. Even if he fired the purple off he should still get hit so in this scenario a draw seems decently likely. Thought I’d mention this very unlikely but technically possible outcome.
imaginary mass yet gege writes hollow purple as just another city block level explosion that barely damaged him and sukuna at their fight. manga authors do love to contradict their own work.
Josuke's bubble is not imaginary mass. Its nothing. It is just a nothing bubble which fucks with logic and the universe in such a way that barely managed to "bypass" wou and "hit" him.
@@sindalanboyI would also like to state that the grade 1 sorcerer that is often seen with Panda I can’t remember his name but he blocked Kenjaku’s Maximum Uzumaki with no damage and then later started fighting against Sukuna and had Sukuna saying “Wow u can cancel my domain with ur shadow style” so the scaling in the series is kinda dumb. Especially since it was revealed in the recent chapter that the fuckin LAWMAN Higuruma is on Gojo’s Level currently in the story. Which makes sense due to his executioner’s blade, confiscation, domain amplification and simple domain, etc and he’s only been a sorcerer for 2 months…
@@sindalanboyoh also I would like to say that Gojo hollow purple had a hard time damaging Sukuna but Yuji’s punch made him feel pain and get pushed back despite Yuji not being able to put a scratch on Choso or Mahito’s defenses… it’s called inconsistency by nature of story, if you were to keep things 100% consistent the story would not flow in Gege’s intended direction. For example, gojo wouldn’t have been perception blitzed by seeing Suguru since he perceives time slower, meaning he actually paused and waited to be trapped in the prison realm for around 5 minutes his perception. I don’t think he would be stunlocked 5 WHOLE MINUTES in place when he can teleport and move faster than anyone else in the series besides Sukuna. This cannot happen without plot armor or inconsistency.
No it's not and it's completely different
It's didn't erase anything and Sukuna prove it by tank and deflect that attack like nothing
Go Beyond Bubble is beyond logic it's similar like breaking the 4th wall and toon force
It's break the rules of story itself which why WoU can't stop it or detect it as a pursuit
Jojo's has this whole Fate idea. Fate is basically an energy that all characters follow, and there are only few things that can change fate, one of them being stands, and from the moment you acquire a stand foward, you are fated to always encounter other stand users in your throught your life. Parts 1-6 explained to us the idea of fate and how people who try to alter fate for their benefit end up being punished by the same, and those who thrill a life with justice get rewarded by fate. Then on Parts 7-8 we learned about the two sides of the coin. If Fate was that coin, then in one side we have Luck and on the other Calamity, part 7 shows us the corpse of the saint, which brings luck to who posses it, and part 8 shows us calamity, which is this unavoidable energy that bounds bad things to happen to people. Obviously this wouldn't be a problem by itself, bad things are bound to happen, but what wonder of u does is basically redirect all of this "wave of bad luck" towards whoever tries to attack, pursue or discover the identity of Tooru or Wonder Of U. This calamity energy is so powerful that it even changes the laws of physics to make harmless things, such as raindrops, be as deadly as bullets shots but exclusively to the one person who is being targeted. Josuke only won against Wonder Of U because his power, Go Beyond allowed him to create an attack that doesn't physically exists, so it's not bound to any law including calamity, making it able to hit Tooru and his stand.
ok lets analyze this boyz
wou's ability is more of a law of nature rather then just a stand ability. it sets up various events that have the intention to kill an opponent if they pursue the stand or it's user. now seeing as how gojo has infinity (creates infinite space between the user and any objects) you would think these events would have no effect on gojo, but there can also be internal effects such as diseases/illnesses. if gojo can tank this though we have to realise that one opponent must die, and wou cannot be harmed through normal means. so he can just target tooru, right? the problem is that six eyes allows gojo to see and read cursed energy, which we have to assume tooru doesn't have. so finding tooru will be a hard task, as he usually only pilots his stand from far distances. wou's ability gives massive misfortune to anyone who pursues them, with this misfortune increasing when the intent to pursue them increases. so when gojo is searching for tooru the events will get increasingly more dangerous. but then again the most dangerous events will mainly be non-disease based events, which infinity could stop. many people argue that calamity can completely ignore infinity, but the only real answer we can get is 'we don't know'.
there are two ways that tooru could win: 1. gojo does not find tooru and his attempts to find him causes more lethal events which ends up with gojo dying from various diseases caused inside of his body, or 2. calamity's events (which are not disease related) do bypass infinity and kill gojo. but for the second option we do have to note that gojo can move at speeds beyond light and maybe even greater, but calamity's limits are almost infinite depending on the intent to pursue, so it could be possible that the events could outspeed gojo, but yet again we don't know. now gojo has one way to beat wou: find and kill tooru, but this is only a slim chance due to the fact that tooru could just be some random citizen, and will most likely be ignored unless gojo was having a bad day. now i would say this if it wasnt for gojo's ace in the hole, hollow purple. hollow purple is a combination of both blue (an ability which pulls) and red (an ability which repels), creating an imaginary mass. in the manga, wou was defeated using go beyond, a "bubble" which is actually just a rod moving incredibly fast which explodes upon contact. the reason why this matters it because it 'does not exist in this world', allowing it to break the laws of nature that wou controls, allowing it to physically harm it. both go beyond and hollow purple do not 'exist', so would this attack effect wou? clear answer yes, but it cant fully erase every being it touches, as seen by sukuna, and if we check wou's stand stats it says that it's durability is infinite. so will hollow purple kill it? probably is the only answer we can muster. these result in both characters having only having one completely possible way for wou to defeat their opponent, and two possible ways for gojo to defeat their opponent. however gojo's first possible way to defeat wou is incredibly luck based. so pretty much it's either gojo lands a hollow purple on wou, or if wou's calamity causes enough diseases in gojo's body to kill him. in more simple terms:
wou method 1: 100% possible and can plausibly kill gojo
wou method 2: hypothetical and probably not possible
vs
gojo method 1: completely luck based but can still happen (do take in mind this method will make wou's first method more possible)
gojo method 2: probably will kill wou
since gojo's first method would most likely end up with wou getting the w and its incredibly luck based, gojo would have to rely on hollow purple to kill wou. but we dont fully know if hollow purple will kill wou. wou's 1 method is 100% foolproof, however... REVERSED CURSED ENERGY!!! gojo can fully regenrate himself after every attack if it doesnt immediatley killing him, making gojo more likely to survive each event... BUUUUTTTT viruses have to be destroyed, and reverse cursed energy restores... so viruses will still gojo if they are lethal enough, but heart attacks and other more imminently dangerous diseases would most likely be avoided using reversed cursed energy. so all wou can hope for is that gojo dies a slow demise... and all gojo can rely on is that hollow purple can harm wou. each one is both not ideal, wou's viruses killing gojo vs hollow purple killing wou. sure, hollow purple will effect wou, but will it destroy it, even through its infinite durability? well yes, if we accept that wou is damaged by hollow purple then its damage will be put on the user, which is just flesh and blood. but thats still hypothetical, which the viruses are not. therefore wou has a clear cut way to kill gojo, but gojo only has hypothetical ways to kill tooru and wou. therefore...
most likely winner: WONDER OF U
(reminder: this is only my opinion, if i made any mistakes do make sure to correct me in the replies, but dont take this serious as if we were fighting eachother to the death.)
Gojo doesn’t know what a stand user is, why would he look for Toru?
Killing Toru does nothing to WOU.
WOU manipulates luck, there’s no “luck based” win for Gojo.
Most of, if not all, of Gojo’s attacks would fail due to WOU making him extremely unlucky.
how is gojo light speed there are literally 0 feats showing him to be light speed the timeless realm is super inconsistent and unknown so everything scaling related to it is probably untrue or just very inconsistent
Gojo: "I will defeat you!"
*Got killed by a frickin branch that stab his eyeball and curse energy is flowing from his eyes to his whole body that will melt all of his organs💀
You can't compare Soft and Wet: Go Beyond non-existent bubble to Gojo's Hollow Purple because Hollow Purple is like a blackhole and Soft and Wet: Go Beyond is like a non-existent matter that goes beyond any logic of reality. It's like an extra-dimensional thing but at the same time it doesn't exist like literally.
Gojo: Domain expansion!
*gets a finger cramp*
now the question is if domain amplification, or new shadow style could negate the effects. doubt it but its food for thought.
None of those would work in any shape or form against wou. Its hard to imagine gojo even "fighting" wou in the first place if he does not die due to his balls exploding or something.
@@mombanger2835 If the first calamity does not manage to kill gojo due to infintiy, or rct, it is over. (calamities are not gaurenteed to kill, they are calamities.)that nanosecond in time or less that it takes to create hollow purple and fire it off (it being an imaginary mass, therefore 'instant' (to us) or ftl, would kill WOU before he could react, instantaneously.
Hollow purple does NOT follow logic. Neither does blue, or red, or his domain expansion. Blue is negative mass (which is not possible so the universe has to recirpocate by creating mass which is not possible again so gojo is defying logic and forcing the universe to cope with this, also defying logic.) Red is the amplifcation and creation of infinite, sped up mass which again is not possible. Both of these abilities defy logic, and even if you think they DONT, Hollow purple does. Hollow purple is the mixture of the force of repellance and attractance, The foreign space created from amplification is being ripped apart by the infinity that has been brought into reality via red. It’s hard to explain but if you constantly rip space infinitely, ur left with nothing, nothing cannot be defined so it’s imaginary mass,deleting anything it comes into contact with. which is again defying the logic of the universe since matter cannot be created or destroyed.
And boy dont let me start on the domain expansion of gojo.
Even if he able to use it
That's doesn't matter
He probably gonna die before able to use it
And WoU is a stand not a living thing
Domain ampfication is technique to decrease damage any form caused by curse energy even how strong property of it is
So no it wouldn't work on calamity
The fact that gojos abilities have logic behind then already solidified the outcome of the match
This is even insane you literally lowballed wonder of u 💀
A reminder that while Wonder of U is limited by the physical capabilities of the world calamities can still involve your very actions, one such example is when someone grows curious about the stander user of Wonder of U they happen to cut off all their own fingers by accident, calamities are not limited solely to physical objects but also being able to lead to your own misgivings.
anime has evolved from "but can they beat goku?" into "but can they beat gojo?"
Goku oneshots gojo
GER, WOU, and Tusk Act 4 can stomp Gojo
The thing is all I see was Gojo getting salmed unlike Goku
who have better defence gojo vs Green Green Grass Of Home (green baby).
bro changed 2 letters
Gojo when the air starts tasting like blood (His heart just exploded in his chest for the 15th time):
Wonder of u could just probably give him a random Heart attack or the ground could just explode underneath him so much things that can just happen or gojo tries to breathe air but suddenly he breathes it in wrong or something in the air and his lungs explode
Edit: better question gojo limitless vs green baby stand or ta4
Ehhhh, reverse curse technique? Havent you seen his endurance already? The only way wander of u may be able to kill him is if he explodes his head in one go. If he even leaves some or doesnt destroy it all at once, gojo is just gonna regenarate and seeing how he can tank domains like its nothing it would take a long while if wonder of u tries to go the endurance route. Like it wouldnt even be a good choice. Unless he manages to force gojo to rct his ct, like sukuna did hes never gonna be able to tired him out.
With external attacks, like the floor exploding, they will allways remain usless, gojo doesnt even have to take attention to them. Just leave automatic infinity to do the job
@@fernandoreimpell2818 if his brain gets blown out he dies because then he can't use rtc
During the toji fight he said should have aimed for the head either that or brain damage or if that keeps happening he will overheat his brain then won't be able to do anything
@@samuraituff9653toji aimed for the head, the problem was that he didnt use the spear of heaven to neg CE. Now at days a blow to the head isnt enough, you have to destroy it all in one go without leaving any trace. The real problem of wonder of U is his unpredictability, but because he has only one way and only one to kill gojo, that falls appart too. To tell you the truth, idk who would win, but to think that it would be an easy machup for wonder of u is kinda disingenuous
@@fernandoreimpell2818 so did he cut off gojo head and if so then why did gojo say you should have aimed for the head also
Brain damage will counter it which wou can do and if he keeps doing it like I said gojo overheats or he could just keep attacking his insides until eventually he overheats like in the sukuna fight
@@samuraituff9653 idk about the anime, but in the manga he said his mistake was not use the heavenly spear when he went for the head to disrupt the ce flow. Targeting his insides, is not enough. Not even his brain alone is enough. And sure, if toji separated gojos head from his body at that moment, it would have kill him, but in present day is impossible to have a clean cut on gojo cause it has a start, and aslong as the wound has a start, he is just gonna regen while the strike passes through, like he did with sukunas domain, or like hakari did with kashimos lightning.
Unless he forces him to use rct to cure his ct burnout wonder of u is never gonna outlast gojo, or at the very least, it would even take him days or weeks, maybe more, and being kind here cause with his six eyes mastery, ce refeinment, his large ce pool and him constantly producing ce, its not enough to constantly wound him, you need to force him to use more than what he is able to replentish, but then again, Sukuna only managed to do that after five domain expansions and five rct of his ct burnout back to back. And the guy still is able to regen limbs. Nothing wonder of u uses will force Gojo to use that much energy in such a short time. Like I said, a war of attrition isnt a good choice for Wonder of U
One thing no one understands is that gojo cannot see a STAND even with 6 eyes.
Are the calamity affects random, or would it just keep attacking his brain till gojo dies cause that also has a big effect on how the mu would go.
Calamity is a law of nature in the JoJoverse (WoU is literally the personifaction of that concept; it is quite literally the concept giving form) ; it basically changes the flow of logic and fate (an in Universal constant in the JoJoverse meaning that there is one predestined path; there are only a couple of characters that manipulate and change fate with special hax in JoJo) to target whoever WoU has targeted (it can only target one person at a time). So in practice WoU could possibly even bend logic itself to bypass the "infinity" of Gojo regardless of what he does; it is a mega hax ability.
@@i.m.crazee5195 congrats, you failed to answer a simple question.
Well WOU attacks with each attack getting stronger. It can attacks infinitly. It doesn't stop till its turned off or till the opponent is dead. Its a 50/50 on where it attacks though. We only see it attack the brain once and it isn't against the main character so I honestly don't know. It might do it eventually but it's speculation
@@Greninja9001 It's not really an attack. It's a manipulation of cause and effect, logic, and fate. As long as someone exists within the bounds of the rules that WOU has control over, they cannot harm nor escape him.
@@_-___________how have you ALSO managed to not answer the question the guy asked lmao. It's not me that's confused, i already know Gojo wins this, so idk why you're responding to me either lol.
i feel like they would be in an endless stalemate. it's logic vs a concept, two things that can't be destroyed, however tooru will die as wonder of u can still live on past its user's death. it just makes wonder of u more uncontrolable.
also another reason why it is a stalemate as it can not only manipulate objects, but also people themselves. making them accidentally do damage to themselves, or get them into a position where they will get hurt.
Tooru doesn't even have to be there, thats the thing. The whole premise of the fight happening is that for *some* reason calamity is already active and WoU at some point would have showed up, but that doesn't mean Tooru is in the mix
Wonder of U could just give Gojo a Heart attack, he 100 percent could do that
Well how would the fight happen I might be missing something here but I thought only a stand can touch another stand. How would Gojo be able to make contact with a stand that doesn’t even need the user to fight
Had an argument with my friends just the other night about something like this, DIO vs Gojo. I think both versions of DIO would mop the floor with Gojo however, my friends believe Gojo would win. I think due to DIO's speed, attack power and raw durability plus his vampire abilities. DIO would win. Time stop, in my interpretation of the characters' abilities, would triumph over Gojo's Infinity abilities. Using PT 6 Jotaro to scale, DIO would be just as strong if not stronger, during his fight with Pucci. Jotaro was the only one that could possibly harm MIH (& C Moon) Pucci. This is like a World level threat, not to say that's Jojo's level but he was the only guy that could hit him during his Time Stop, which is my point. Time Stop is CRAZY strong no matter if the person in it is stronger or not, only someone that can manipulate time can counter it. So Gojo would be, in layman's terms, fucked. DE is probably his best bet, but could DIO stop time within it? Stands are spiritual manifestations and is the source of DIO's ascended power, it could possibly use Time Stop to counter it even if DIO succumbs to it. Assuming, Gojo gets it off, it's fastest pop off rate being at 0.2 Secs. DIO has every opportunity to win this hypothetical fight yet, my friends think I'm wanking. I'd love to get some actually clarification on this so that I may feel confident in my argument or consider a new possibility entirely.
If anyone else who enjoys both series want to comment, feel free. Just no fighting and no slurs! Lol, I gotta beat anime fans with a stick sometimes. Loved the video and hope to see other JJK vs JJBA content, so many matches and so much possibilities to consider.
You are actually stupid if think Dio beats Gojo.
I don’t believe Dio (vampire abilities, or speed) has an answer to infinity (unless, we are speaking Dio:OH). Correct me, if I am wrong.
@@lilityler1340Time stop would straight up prevent infinity from doing anything because time stop is basically temporary inaccessible speed and would blitz infinity’s detection. Surfbone explains the difference between inaccessible and infinite speed in his speed tiering video.
12:50 i actually started falling asleep at my desk
Is this even a fight?
Wonder of U can control calamity in other words logic itself....
So is there any point pf even arguing over the topic?
Gojo fries his own brain by forgetting to clock himself on RCT
Wonder of U neg diffs
True
Gojo: "wtf? that's just an average old ma-"
*Gojo gets astigmatism*
Remember that Wonder of U can even cause enemies to harm themselves without them realizing it until the damage is already done, like Joubin's wife who accidentally cut off her own fingers while making dinner. Even creating new stand abilities like soft and wet go beyond that killed the appraiser guy who I forgot the name of. Wonder of U can literally pull up a new way to attack that originates from his own attackers if there is nothing that seems like a valid way for calamity to strike or if Wonder of U is very close to getting injured.
Bro he broke an mf's neck by nothing and the man just looked at the general direction
Reminder that a guy bumped into an umbrella stand and mutilated both of his legs
Calamity didn't even move it, HE bumped into the unbrellas
What I'm really curious about is if Hollow Purple would affect the stand at all. It is an automatic stand that can be touched by non stand users but it's still stated that only a stand can kill another stand
If their were any other stands that have the potential to consistently take down Gojo, I would say:
1. tusk act four since It’s 5-d and it can attack in zero time. As well as, the ability to bypass barriers that stop it from directly attacking an opponent (not to mention that since it has infinite speed it could potentially just brute force its way through the infinite distance between it and gojo). And once touched gojo will be inflicted with infinite rotation and die.
2. Heavens door original activation where just looking at one of Rohan’s manga panels causes his stand to hit you. Then he could just write something like “turn off all your abilities and stand still” then stab gojo in the head or “forget how to breathe.”
GER
Beyond from the Jorge Joestar novel (Reality and Fate manipulation)
- a lot of Jorge Joestar stands might have chances, Beyond is the one i know most about
The World : Overheaven from Eyes of Heaven/the Overheaven Novel
Made in Heaven (Enough acceleration might help it bypass the slowing effect of Infinity)
Gojo is about to get cancers we didn’t even think could possibly exist