Hey folks, I know we posted this over on the dedicated Podcast With Marcel UA-cam channel but UA-cam just rolled out a podcast tab. So I thought I might try the podcast out on the main channel. Let me know your thoughts! New transmission comes out next week!
that was great, more like this please!! hippies dont even realize how much they love shoving themselves into boxes of thought, it's kinda cute they way they try to save things. as a former hippie i can attest to the fact that they are mostly only aware of "how hippie" they are, the rest of their actions seem to just be a derivative of trying to maintain that. i was at a concert last year and they almost turned on me, thinking i was a cop lmao fun times - sincerely, not a cop.
Here we have a couple of Johnny-come-latelies wondering how newgrass came about: Norman Blake wrote and recorded Ginseng Sullivan. The New Grass Revival picked right up on that and released it on their first album on Starday (good luck finding that one) , which became a clash in viewpoints between Bake and Newgrass as to which way to proceed with this newgrass stuff (Captain Beefheart notwithstanding) . A few false starts came from Ricky Skaggs, Vince Gill, Mark O’Connor, maybe even as far back as Bill Keith, Richard Greene, Darol Anger, David Grier, some hotshot dobro guy, and a few more of that ilk, but even Tony Rice found an ever decreasing audience for the more musically adventurous and progressive newgrass or related Dawg sub genres. Not wanting to end up like several notable jazz composers in the North Beach district of San Francisco, the pragmatic players facing the future of newgrass went all in on creating the museum approach, which possibly SHOULD have been applied to the Clogging tradition, which, for all intents and purposes, is just a footnote under the umbrella of hip hop.
Culture = creative innovation built on tradtition. Woody Allen said, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach (no offense, Marcel). Those who can't teach, administrate." Those who try to "box things in" limit creativity. As we mature (a kind way of saying "getting old"), our "been there, done that" list gets checked off. Greet the Hamsters.
Sorry I listened to the original Country Gentlemen at the Shamrock Tavern every Wednesday night in D.C. (where lots of hillbillies had civil service jobs), and saw them morph into the Seldom Scene… “Long Black Veil” was written in Nashville for Lefty Frizzell, remember?
The Seldom Scene should definitely be in the conversation about Bluegrass evolution. Plus, Critter Eldridge (Punch Brothers) and Jay Starling (now in Leftover Salmon) are sons of members.
Some would say that it approaches 2/4 time in a boring way, lacking the funky secondary rhythms of reggae or Zyedeco. Some would say the singing is affected and phonologically obsolete. Some would say it’s usually too fast, hence, like some bebop, more enjoyable to the player than the listener. Why do we love it so?
Old timers are afraid of bluegrass evolution because they don’t want to learn how to use a pickup an software modeling plug ins. Evolution equals louder…
@@KyleMillerMusic315 that probably wouldn't have been a bad idea except that I'm not in their personal group and much of the stuff they found funny still wouldn't resonate with me.
The original Bluegrass has been dead for many many years. What these young musicians are calling bluegrass isn't. The Tony Rice movement destroyed the true heart of bluegrass and turned it into a spectical. I hear you all talking about (new grass) it shouldn't be categorized with bluegrass. I listen to people like Molly Tuttle I quickly turn it off not even close, it truly needs its own name. It shouldn't even have the word bluegrass in the name.
Hey folks, I know we posted this over on the dedicated Podcast With Marcel UA-cam channel but UA-cam just rolled out a podcast tab. So I thought I might try the podcast out on the main channel. Let me know your thoughts!
New transmission comes out next week!
Red Haired Boy in Lydian dominant sounds very Bill Frisell. I love it. Gets the old gears turning.
You guys strike me as a couple of…hippies (don’t worry, I’m for it)
I recently watched an episode of the Marty Stuart show where Robert Plant was sitting in the front row...
that was great, more like this please!! hippies dont even realize how much they love shoving themselves into boxes of thought, it's kinda cute they way they try to save things. as a former hippie i can attest to the fact that they are mostly only aware of "how hippie" they are, the rest of their actions seem to just be a derivative of trying to maintain that. i was at a concert last year and they almost turned on me, thinking i was a cop lmao fun times - sincerely, not a cop.
As someone with a strikingly similar story I feel that bro
I like anything Marcel produces. I’m here for it.
Here we have a couple of Johnny-come-latelies wondering how newgrass came about: Norman Blake wrote and recorded Ginseng Sullivan. The New Grass Revival picked right up on that and released it on their first album on Starday (good luck finding that one) , which became a clash in viewpoints between Bake and Newgrass as to which way to proceed with this newgrass stuff (Captain Beefheart notwithstanding) . A few false starts came from Ricky Skaggs, Vince Gill, Mark O’Connor, maybe even as far back as Bill Keith, Richard Greene, Darol Anger, David Grier, some hotshot dobro guy, and a few more of that ilk, but even Tony Rice found an ever decreasing audience for the more musically adventurous and progressive newgrass or related Dawg sub genres. Not wanting to end up like several notable jazz composers in the North Beach district of San Francisco, the pragmatic players facing the future of newgrass went all in on creating the museum approach, which possibly SHOULD have been applied to the Clogging tradition, which, for all intents and purposes, is just a footnote under the umbrella of hip hop.
Culture = creative innovation built on tradtition. Woody Allen said, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach (no offense, Marcel). Those who can't teach, administrate." Those who try to "box things in" limit creativity. As we mature (a kind way of saying "getting old"), our "been there, done that" list gets checked off. Greet the Hamsters.
Hippies don't save anything 😅
Sorry/you're welcome.
Sorry I listened to the original Country Gentlemen at the Shamrock Tavern every Wednesday night in D.C. (where lots of hillbillies had civil service jobs), and saw them morph into the Seldom Scene… “Long Black Veil” was written in Nashville for Lefty Frizzell, remember?
The Seldom Scene should definitely be in the conversation about Bluegrass evolution. Plus, Critter Eldridge (Punch Brothers) and Jay Starling (now in Leftover Salmon) are sons of members.
ah yes the dialectic at work
Some would say that it approaches 2/4 time in a boring way, lacking the funky secondary rhythms of reggae or Zyedeco. Some would say the singing is affected and phonologically obsolete. Some would say it’s usually too fast, hence, like some bebop, more enjoyable to the player than the listener. Why do we love it so?
Appreciate the conversation but not sure what you guys were laughing at?
It’s OK to say something slightly controversial without laughing.
Old timers are afraid of bluegrass evolution because they don’t want to learn how to use a pickup an software modeling plug ins. Evolution equals louder…
Educational and fun convo y'all! Marcel - see you next week in Brevard! - Jeremy
I thought this was a Billy strings documentary
🤣😂 same
Loved the discussion, guys. The only thing that would make it better is video.
Is this because of Pam Gadds song?
Very amusing! No fear!
Ummmmm
😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
Sorry, I had to tap out at the seven minute mark due to constant laughter at non funny remarks.....maybe smoke the weed after the podcast.
Maybe you need to smoke it before
@@KyleMillerMusic315 that probably wouldn't have been a bad idea except that I'm not in their personal group and much of the stuff they found funny still wouldn't resonate with me.
The original Bluegrass has been dead for many many years. What these young musicians are calling bluegrass isn't. The Tony Rice movement destroyed the true heart of bluegrass and turned it into a spectical. I hear you all talking about (new grass) it shouldn't be categorized with bluegrass. I listen to people like Molly Tuttle I quickly turn it off not even close, it truly needs its own name. It shouldn't even have the word bluegrass in the name.
Listen to Billy strings