I have had very similar results with all the testing I've done. I am mid 160s ballspeed and the M3 did not outperform my R1 on distance, only slightly on mishits. M5 was very similar and maybe just a touch less draw but boy I did not care for the sound, feel, or looks. After 10 years with TM drivers and Callaway fairway woods, I made the switch to all Cobra woods! So OEMs should give you guys anything you want as you inspire us to try things we may not otherwise. Not to mention if you can help Cut sell out of golf balls that most have never heard of, you are obviously influential! Keep up the good work, we appreciate the knowledge even when Matty isn't 100%.
I got a used M1 tensei red at golftown for 180. Cracked the head within a month. They gave me an M3! Within 8 months, due to 50+ range balls on driver alone daily during the winter, cracked that. They gave me an M5! Sweet deal! M5 is a hotter head, especially low in the face, in my opinion. All shafts being equal.
After seeing what the new F9 driver was capable of, I'm planning on doing what you guys had said at the beginning of this video, except next year. I'm planning to get an F9 once next years model comes out, since I don't really need a new driver just yet, mines only a couple years old.
I'd like to see m4 vs. m6. I bought the m4 because it actually spun more than others for me. I heard the m6 spun less and didn't feel a need to try it. I'm glad to see the efficiency numbers look similar.
"He’s a Cinderella story. A former assistant groundskeeper about to become the Masters champion. It looks like a mirac… It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!"--Carl Spackler
This is content I value, thanks. I tried Taylormade M4/M3, Cobra F8, Ping G400 range, Titleist 917 last year as this was the on-sale range that could be fitted. Seeing the performance and reading up on the relative CG locations, I ended up buying a great condition 1 year old 2017 M1 because (1) my flight was similar to M4 (2) 40% the price of on sale clubs.
That's a good shout. You've got to take into account budget. Obviously it's fun to see the latest and greatest gear but the average weekend warrior golfer can't afford and frankly doesn't need the newest gear. It's like you said, it's really valuable information when considering what gear to get.
I lost about 12 yards switching from 2016 M1 to M3 with same shaft. Head weight seemed lighter with M3, I hit more fairways but, lost yards and club felt dead. I picked yards back up with M5...Sounds better as easy to hit as M3 and have gained yards over both previous drivers.
I bought the M3 D, 3W, 5W from Globalgolf.com @05/20 for $250....and with discounts including M1 trade-in, I paid about$100 out of pocket for the driver and $50 each for the 3W + 5W out of pocket. The Taylormade Demo tent showed-up at my club 06/30 and I hit the M5. I don't see any benefit in the M5 when it retails at $550. I have played the M3 for 5 months now and it's still in the bag. I am happy. You can pay BIG $$$ if you want. I have a great driver + Steaks + Beer and spare change too. LOL.
I have an M1, a 915 D3 and an Epic. Straighter with the D3, a little longer with the M1 and Epic but, if I was the machine that Matt is, I don't think i would matter what driver I played.
How often do you take shots out of the data? 2nd swing with the M5 at 9:10 you see the ball go by the trace from a previous shot that was a low hook. I imagine that wasn’t included in the final numbers so just curious how often that occurs and when you’d not include a shot in the data set.
A few times per test, depending on the day. Any very poor swing or strike that is purely human error is taken out as it isn't representative of the club performance.
Really interested in your results today because I did my own test with my M3 gamer against the new M5 and my M3 was better. M5 does sound better to me however.
I got the m1 2016 version in 2017 because it outperformed the m1 2017. However, my m1 2016 fave broke because of the wear and tear so taylormade gave me an m1 2017 for free. So I’m waiting on the m5 when it gets cheaper.
great Video, currently have an M3 9.5° with AV blue 65 g Shaft currently eyeing a upgrade to the SIM 2 (Max) with Kuro Kage shaft(stock) or a Ping 425 Max. Could we get Ian to spit wisdom on Kuro kage shafts? Saw a write up that suggested Kuro Kage had a similar characteristics as Diamana Ka'li shaft, I previously played the diamana on Titleist 910 D2 9.5°
Hi guys. Love the channel. Could you test some older classics like the SLDR or Callaway X2Hot. I have both and they keep up with the newer stuff in my opinion. Also can a properly fitted driver produced in the last 5 years out perform a new driver off the rack.? Maybe another test idea?
Great idea. Especially for the guy like me, who only has 1 summer in the game and is looking to upgrade from entry-level gear but not spend an arm and a leg just yet because frankly it'd be wasted on me right now anyway lol.
I just came from Dicks testing the M4 and M5 and wow I actually had more forgiveness and distance with M5..I play only handfull a yr so don’t hit solid all the time so those straight shots was huge for me..very happy 😃..didn’t think there would be big difference and I was wrong..hope this helps ;)
I left M3 more open as I'm not a heavy releaser... M3 was long! But sporadic....with epic flash sub zero all issues fixed....I can turn ball over, hit it higher, just as long and far more consistent!
with GC Quad it's closer to 125 that generates 180 ball speeds (1.45 efficiency is at the top end) - club speeds are down around 5mph from when the F9 and ST190 were tested
When you say quality launch monitor with quality ball. Is it good enough to use a trackman on the range with range balls but set it to "premium ball" on the trackman settings?
That's an excellent question. I would suspect that there's no replacement for the full-fat real deal balls that you're going to actually be using so if at all possible, best use a simulator like they do is the best option. But then again, it's all relative, so if you use range balls, and then only compare your range ball data to other range ball data, the same trends should be true with premium balls on the golf course.
Great video, I have previous numbers of approx 100mph I currently use a 910d2 with Diamana X Flex Whiteboard 73X have recently purchased an M3 with Fujikura Pro 60 Reg Flax they go about same distance, M3 tend to fade more. Any advice on set-up.
I’m around that speed and a little bit higher 112 ex. I get a lot better result with the M5, the M6 spins more. I enjoyed the Torsion shaft by Aldila. Hope this help. My transition is fast.
Hey, I recently purchased an taylormade m3 driver.. I love the feel and the look of the driver.. but the adjustable weights kind of put me off.. I would rather just change the flight of the ball by changing my swing like I do with my irons.. I was wondering wether i could maybe get three slightly lighter weights.. the three weights added up would still weigh the same but instead I put them like this :>-•- to create a more neutral weighted driver.. if this is impossible then I was thinking about selling it and pruchasing either a titleist 917 d3 or the newer version (gold version) of the taylormade m2..
Is this something you can discuss with your fitter? Like if I'm in and say, getting fit for a Epic Flash, is it acceptable to ask "how does this match up against last year's Rogue" and have that back and forth? Hard to justify buying the 700 dollar option when the 400 dollar option is only minutely worse.
Absolutely, I'm a fitter and we actually have all the demo clubs for previous years models in every brand. Not everyone will but they should at least be able to tell you the difference.
you guys talked about m3 not feeling forgiving for Matt missing to the right. What clubs this year would be forgiving for that big overdraw occasional hook?
So you call it speed foam, isn’t it really anti speed foam? The way I understand it is they add the foam to bring the excessively hot face back down into compliance, hence slowing it down, not speeding it up. But I guess speed foam sounds better than slow foam when selling drivers.
With the rules set by the R&A and USGA on clubhead performance there is nothing to gain by buying new clubs except for some cosmetic changes one may or may not like. Performance wise, all manufacturers have long reached the maximum allowed specs. Only thing remaining is to get your cubs fit, get yourself fit and get lessons. Rest is, unless you always want the newest gear, money down the drain.
@@bbslimecity4244 this is for every club in the bag. Yes there's a difference between the different models, therefore you must get properly fit. But performance within these differences are all maxed out. So if you find the right sort of club for you, it then comes down to looks. And lessons😃 Of course after a lot of use you get the occasional wear and tear, which might merrit a new purchase. My clubs however close to ten years old, still perform as advertised.
Hey guys, u did an amazing job i really love your channel. Can u tell me, what‘s the difference to a tour issue M5. I saw online a few offers... is it worth it a tour issue M5 and what is the real difference? Thanks Thomas
I love these videos and review! Keep up the great work, guys! Question: What's the best way for an amateur like me to learn more about shafts in general, so I have an idea of what could be better for me? Thanks!
For some reason, I tried all of the TM M series from 2016 to the newest, and I couldn't find much of a difference between them except for sound and feel. Great video though.
Why keep it 2 just years apart? I just bought a mint M1 2017 430, would love to see M1, M12017, M2, M22017 and so on right up to M6 and Sim comparisons. Give the poor boys a fair comparison| Sell the fittings, not the latest and most expensive since fittings are the most important expense when purchasing!
I ended up upgrading my M3 shaft from an Atmos Tour Spec Black 6S from my last years fitting to a TPT 16-MKP-MT-SW in my fitting at Club Champion last month because I was getting better numbers than any combo with M5, even the same TPT shaft. However, on vacation in Hawaii last week I had to rent clubs and ended up driving the ball better than ever with M5 and the stock Tensei Orange shaft. Very confusing but I’ll keep testing with both on a launch monitor and in the real world over a few rounds at Bandon next week. I will say I disagree with the comment about sound being the same though. I think the M5 sounds much better than the M3, especially on off center strikes. The sound on some off center strikes with my M3 on the range make me cringe and have PTSD flashbacks to hearing people hit that square Nike driver. 😖
I also get strange looks from playing partners when I hit the 2017 M1 a bit off. And "good shot" when hit a bit too low as it sounds the most solid there. Crazy range of noises that thing can make. But I don't care about that :-)
OH Mighty MATT!!!! You are a Human machine I never seen a ball hit in A simulator and it takes 3 minutes before it lands and roll out a sneaky 335 average🏌️♂️⛳🏌️♂️
Matt is as reliable as a robot when it comes to testing! Machine!
I have had very similar results with all the testing I've done. I am mid 160s ballspeed and the M3 did not outperform my R1 on distance, only slightly on mishits. M5 was very similar and maybe just a touch less draw but boy I did not care for the sound, feel, or looks. After 10 years with TM drivers and Callaway fairway woods, I made the switch to all Cobra woods! So OEMs should give you guys anything you want as you inspire us to try things we may not otherwise. Not to mention if you can help Cut sell out of golf balls that most have never heard of, you are obviously influential! Keep up the good work, we appreciate the knowledge even when Matty isn't 100%.
Awesome video
Keep up the great work guys
So close to a hole in one with a driver shot.
Awesome to see the comparison of the m3 and m5
Woot, woot!!! Was waiting for this video, picked up the M3 this winter off of Ebay for $223-US up from your guys neck of the woods.
Can’t wait to see Matt’s fitting!
Popcorn ready
Love your work boys wish I could subscribe more than once!
I got a used M1 tensei red at golftown for 180. Cracked the head within a month. They gave me an M3! Within 8 months, due to 50+ range balls on driver alone daily during the winter, cracked that. They gave me an M5! Sweet deal! M5 is a hotter head, especially low in the face, in my opinion. All shafts being equal.
After seeing what the new F9 driver was capable of, I'm planning on doing what you guys had said at the beginning of this video, except next year. I'm planning to get an F9 once next years model comes out, since I don't really need a new driver just yet, mines only a couple years old.
Will be interesting to see m5 fitting. Keep up the good work lads.👍
I'd like to see m4 vs. m6. I bought the m4 because it actually spun more than others for me. I heard the m6 spun less and didn't feel a need to try it. I'm glad to see the efficiency numbers look similar.
"He’s a Cinderella story. A former assistant groundskeeper about to become the Masters champion. It looks like a mirac… It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!"--Carl Spackler
😆😆😆
"So he's got that going for him, and that's nice."
This is content I value, thanks. I tried Taylormade M4/M3, Cobra F8, Ping G400 range, Titleist 917 last year as this was the on-sale range that could be fitted. Seeing the performance and reading up on the relative CG locations, I ended up buying a great condition 1 year old 2017 M1 because (1) my flight was similar to M4 (2) 40% the price of on sale clubs.
That's a good shout. You've got to take into account budget. Obviously it's fun to see the latest and greatest gear but the average weekend warrior golfer can't afford and frankly doesn't need the newest gear. It's like you said, it's really valuable information when considering what gear to get.
I lost about 12 yards switching from 2016 M1 to M3 with same shaft. Head weight seemed lighter with M3, I hit more fairways but, lost yards and club felt dead. I picked yards back up with M5...Sounds better as easy to hit as M3 and have gained yards over both previous drivers.
I bought the M3 D, 3W, 5W from Globalgolf.com @05/20 for $250....and with discounts including M1 trade-in, I paid about$100 out of pocket for the driver and $50 each for the 3W + 5W out of pocket. The Taylormade Demo tent showed-up at my club 06/30 and I hit the M5. I don't see any benefit in the M5 when it retails at $550. I have played the M3 for 5 months now and it's still in the bag. I am happy. You can pay BIG $$$ if you want. I have a great driver + Steaks + Beer and spare change too. LOL.
I get that random pull off the M3 as well. It’s weird because the strike feels perfect but it goes low and curves into the left rough (right handed).
Any chance there’s a comparison video between the M5 & the M5 Tour heads?
Todd Phillips pretty much the same
I have an M1, a 915 D3 and an Epic. Straighter with the D3, a little longer with the M1 and Epic but, if I was the machine that Matt is, I don't think i would matter what driver I played.
How often do you take shots out of the data? 2nd swing with the M5 at 9:10 you see the ball go by the trace from a previous shot that was a low hook. I imagine that wasn’t included in the final numbers so just curious how often that occurs and when you’d not include a shot in the data set.
A few times per test, depending on the day. Any very poor swing or strike that is purely human error is taken out as it isn't representative of the club performance.
@@clubchampionmedia That's what I figured, just didn't know what that line would be. Thanks for the reply! Love the channel.
@10:50 ......... "One"
Great video, but the ball speeds can’t touch the Cobra F9 Speedback (or the Mizuno ST-190)
Stephen DiBari the clubhead speed in this video is down like 6mph that’s why
Any chance of TS3 vs. ST190 (G or regular) head to head on the same day? Very intrigued on how similar/different these two perform
So uh. When does that car race begin? This golf club ad is pretty long.
Really interested in your results today because I did my own test with my M3 gamer against the new M5 and my M3 was better. M5 does sound better to me however.
I got the m1 2016 version in 2017 because it outperformed the m1 2017. However, my m1 2016 fave broke because of the wear and tear so taylormade gave me an m1 2017 for free. So I’m waiting on the m5 when it gets cheaper.
pinoy287 - yes I played the 2016 M1 for as long as I could as well. Loved that driver but for me the M3 is more forgiving, not longer though.
Michael G lol I’m honestly getting the m5 just because it’s red. 😂😂😂.
Love the comparison fellas! Now get Matty with the M5 fully Ian-nized!!!
great Video, currently have an M3 9.5° with AV blue 65 g Shaft currently eyeing a upgrade to the SIM 2 (Max) with Kuro Kage shaft(stock) or a Ping 425 Max. Could we get Ian to spit wisdom on Kuro kage shafts? Saw a write up that suggested Kuro Kage had a similar characteristics as Diamana Ka'li shaft, I previously played the diamana on Titleist 910 D2 9.5°
Hi guys. Love the channel. Could you test some older classics like the SLDR or Callaway X2Hot. I have both and they keep up with the newer stuff in my opinion. Also can a properly fitted driver produced in the last 5 years out perform a new driver off the rack.? Maybe another test idea?
Great idea. Especially for the guy like me, who only has 1 summer in the game and is looking to upgrade from entry-level gear but not spend an arm and a leg just yet because frankly it'd be wasted on me right now anyway lol.
I just came from Dicks testing the M4 and M5 and wow I actually had more forgiveness and distance with M5..I play only handfull a yr so don’t hit solid all the time so those straight shots was huge for me..very happy 😃..didn’t think there would be big difference and I was wrong..hope this helps ;)
I play a 2004 Taylormade Driver with 260 yard carry. How much better will I do with an M4?
I left M3 more open as I'm not a heavy releaser... M3 was long! But sporadic....with epic flash sub zero all issues fixed....I can turn ball over, hit it higher, just as long and far more consistent!
14.27: I notice you set the reflective dots up quite a bit closer on the M5 club face
Ball speed is down a little more than usual, I know 120 club normally equates to about 180 ball with Matt. Mainly strike dragging it down?
with GC Quad it's closer to 125 that generates 180 ball speeds (1.45 efficiency is at the top end) - club speeds are down around 5mph from when the F9 and ST190 were tested
When you say quality launch monitor with quality ball. Is it good enough to use a trackman on the range with range balls but set it to "premium ball" on the trackman settings?
That's an excellent question. I would suspect that there's no replacement for the full-fat real deal balls that you're going to actually be using so if at all possible, best use a simulator like they do is the best option. But then again, it's all relative, so if you use range balls, and then only compare your range ball data to other range ball data, the same trends should be true with premium balls on the golf course.
Great video, I have previous numbers of approx 100mph I currently use a 910d2 with Diamana X Flex Whiteboard 73X have recently purchased an M3 with Fujikura Pro 60 Reg Flax they go about same distance, M3 tend to fade more. Any advice on set-up.
Is that shaft the Fujikura Pro 2.0 Tour Spec 6X?
Why not fully customise the test by changing shafts to compare the best between the two?
When you talk about the M6 for slower Club head speed would that be a swing speed of e.g. 108 mph? In that case not even worth trying?
M6 isn't necessarily better for a slower swing speed, just someone that doesn't need the spin reduction that M5 offers
I’m around that speed and a little bit higher 112 ex. I get a lot better result with the M5, the M6 spins more. I enjoyed the Torsion shaft by Aldila. Hope this help. My transition is fast.
@@clubchampionmedia Generally, what is the speed we are talking, 100+?
But Matt almost holed one out with M3. It’s in the bag 🤣😂🤣😂
Is 5 years the maximum y’all would recommend between club changes? Irons and driver?
5 years is around when we'd recommend having a look at your equipment again - just as a general guideline. Can be more or less depending on the player
ST190 still reigns for Matt.
Nice video guys just wondering if you please do a m4 dtype vs a m6 dtype cheers
If you guys do a M2 v M4 v M6 you may break UA-cam. Me and thousands of others are clinging to our M2s with Rogue shafts pretty hard.
Original 2016 M2 that is.
Hey, I recently purchased an taylormade m3 driver.. I love the feel and the look of the driver.. but the adjustable weights kind of put me off.. I would rather just change the flight of the ball by changing my swing like I do with my irons.. I was wondering wether i could maybe get three slightly lighter weights.. the three weights added up would still weigh the same but instead I put them like this :>-•- to create a more neutral weighted driver.. if this is impossible then I was thinking about selling it and pruchasing either a titleist 917 d3 or the newer version (gold version) of the taylormade m2..
The weights don't really do hell of a lot. Putting it into fade will not stop a snap hook if your swing is off.
Is this something you can discuss with your fitter? Like if I'm in and say, getting fit for a Epic Flash, is it acceptable to ask "how does this match up against last year's Rogue" and have that back and forth? Hard to justify buying the 700 dollar option when the 400 dollar option is only minutely worse.
Absolutely, I'm a fitter and we actually have all the demo clubs for previous years models in every brand. Not everyone will but they should at least be able to tell you the difference.
Thanks guys! At the end when you say the M5 is a good driver for players with more speed, what club head speed range are you talking about??
you guys talked about m3 not feeling forgiving for Matt missing to the right. What clubs this year would be forgiving for that big overdraw occasional hook?
How are you going to make a video and have the whole specs and lofts different on the head
What training aid is this?
Hi boys great video again 👌 what cc heads did you use
460
TXG Tour Experience Golf Hi do you happen to know the Bottom Bore to ground (BBTG) of the M5 3 wood ?
So you call it speed foam, isn’t it really anti speed foam? The way I understand it is they add the foam to bring the excessively hot face back down into compliance, hence slowing it down, not speeding it up. But I guess speed foam sounds better than slow foam when selling drivers.
With the rules set by the R&A and USGA on clubhead performance there is nothing to gain by buying new clubs except for some cosmetic changes one may or may not like. Performance wise, all manufacturers have long reached the maximum allowed specs. Only thing remaining is to get your cubs fit, get yourself fit and get lessons. Rest is, unless you always want the newest gear, money down the drain.
Nico Mol, is this rule applicable to drivers and wedges only? Or irons too?
@@bbslimecity4244 this is for every club in the bag. Yes there's a difference between the different models, therefore you must get properly fit. But performance within these differences are all maxed out. So if you find the right sort of club for you, it then comes down to looks. And lessons😃
Of course after a lot of use you get the occasional wear and tear, which might merrit a new purchase. My clubs however close to ten years old, still perform as advertised.
That hole in one was BRUTALLY denied. Should have pulled the flagstick out!
Original One (Mini Driver) review soon?
Hey guys, u did an amazing job i really love your channel. Can u tell me, what‘s the difference to a tour issue M5. I saw online a few offers... is it worth it a tour issue M5 and what is the real difference? Thanks Thomas
I'm surprised you guys didn't test the 190g with Ian when Chris was there.. im kinda crossing my fingers hoping it's still being edited lol
bobby d We did!! 👍🏻
Please review the PXG Gen 2 drivers :(
I love these videos and review! Keep up the great work, guys!
Question: What's the best way for an amateur like me to learn more about shafts in general, so I have an idea of what could be better for me? Thanks!
We would recommend this channel Pete! 😂
For some reason, I tried all of the TM M series from 2016 to the newest, and I couldn't find much of a difference between them except for sound and feel. Great video though.
Ping G400 LST vs. G410 please
Why isnt Matt on the PGA Tour.? I would tune in every week to watch him bomb away.
Couldn't even hole a 300 yard plus driver. Come on Matty sort your golf out 😄🤣😁 awesome shot I was going get in go on get in!!
Matt you hit that f9 so much better than these two. But the m5 is better than m3 for sure
Why keep it 2 just years apart? I just bought a mint M1 2017 430, would love to see M1, M12017, M2, M22017 and so on right up to M6 and Sim comparisons. Give the poor boys a fair comparison| Sell the fittings, not the latest and most expensive since fittings are the most important expense when purchasing!
This video is horrible! I still don’t know if I should be flag in or out now! 🤣🤣
Flag out when hitting Driver tee shots=the ultimate intimidation move to your playing partners lol.
I ended up upgrading my M3 shaft from an Atmos Tour Spec Black 6S from my last years fitting to a TPT 16-MKP-MT-SW in my fitting at Club Champion last month because I was getting better numbers than any combo with M5, even the same TPT shaft. However, on vacation in Hawaii last week I had to rent clubs and ended up driving the ball better than ever with M5 and the stock Tensei Orange shaft. Very confusing but I’ll keep testing with both on a launch monitor and in the real world over a few rounds at Bandon next week. I will say I disagree with the comment about sound being the same though. I think the M5 sounds much better than the M3, especially on off center strikes. The sound on some off center strikes with my M3 on the range make me cringe and have PTSD flashbacks to hearing people hit that square Nike driver. 😖
I also get strange looks from playing partners when I hit the 2017 M1 a bit off. And "good shot" when hit a bit too low as it sounds the most solid there. Crazy range of noises that thing can make. But I don't care about that :-)
How did that not go in???!
5.35 min ... hahaha ... a wee "too hard" drive!!!!
I take that shot any day!
Way more forgiven club Taylormade has made.
can we compare an M4 D to a M6 D
Watching this man swing makes me feel even worse about my game
yeah not much in it and I'd probably say the same if you were to compare M1 vs M5 but we don't need to go and embarrass TM's new product line
OH Mighty MATT!!!!
You are a Human machine I never seen a ball hit in A simulator and it takes 3 minutes before it lands and roll out a sneaky 335 average🏌️♂️⛳🏌️♂️
Try this... go to the golf store and you can push the crown down on these drivers. they used cheap materials to make these this year.
What's the hottest driver ?
Your hitting the f9 345 wasn’t you
How does Rory hit the M5? Pretty good from what I can tell. Different clubs for different people.
Shawn Allen Who was talking about Rory anyway. I have one I hit 300. But the f9 is longer for me
I got the epic flash yesterday hit it about the sand as m5 but man it sounds terrible to me
Matty lad your a ..bleeping.. machine
Do a giveaway lol. I'm still using an R7
I hated the m3. F9 is so much better it unreal