i simply love listening to Michael Levin, really is a gift to humanity. Speaks like a practical engineer, no Woo woo mysticism but absolute pragmatism and science at its best and in its frontiers. Certainly a philosopher too, but humble and not in speculative abstractions that cannot be tested in a lab - although projects sound like magic.
Truly mind expanding. I've never thought of goals like this, especially evolution having the capacity to be a macro-manager who orchestrates via high level signalling rather than being a LEGO-builder. Goals being similar to the Platonic concept of numbers/algorithms is also pretty interesting.
Great video. I was a bit concerned with the title of the channel as I'm not a scientific realist, and there are so many videos on UA-cam these days misleading people. This was a refreshing change. I already agreed with everything else Levin said, but he opened my mind about AI in relation to the topic.
I enjoy internalizing this wisdom to deepen ways of connecting to the experience of myself within my skin. Alignment through honest integrity of focused actions allows me to feel big within and throughout. How can I regulate the “ion channels” that bind me and hold me to my relationships and environments? A philosophy of agency within option space. Love it all! Thanks for the wisdom!
Great interview. Great questions and Michael Levin is brilliant. I can't wait to see where his works take us in the future. I am looking forward to checking out some of the other interviews on this channel. Thank you.
well we are a collective superorganism as individuals already, and thought is electrochemical which means it has a ranged component in your bioelectric field
I gotta step in here as a fellow trekkie, they most definitely did have multiple episodes about the question of Data's artificial intelligence and even better the episodes with Data playing Sherlock homes in Ship in a bottle, they have a simulation of Moriarty gain consciousness and trying to escape into the real world.
Does anyone know…? At 57:15 he mentions the mathematical formalism developed by Eric Hall (sp?) to make determining which layer in the system hierarchy is doing the most work calculable, to show if it’s a top-down or bottom up system. Google is not helping me here. Does anyone have further info?
may be because google subtitle software cannot grasp the difference between Eric Hall and Erik Hoel. I guess you will find your answer with the correct spelling.
Objective correlative = the poet induces an affect through an image/metaphor that promotes the arriving at the state of consciousness required to experience the sadness/joy etc the poet is structuring in the poem - see T S Elliot
On a seemingly unrelated note, I would highly suggest revisiting and investigating the Michelson Morley Interferometer experiment, rotating it vertically this time. If indeed an Aether is found to be existent since the primordial times of the universe life itself will be redefined as immortal. The lack of a spirit as an animating force is the piece of a puzzle that needs to be discovered. Ubiquitous, but anisotropic in the presence of a mass body, the Aether shall set us free.
If horizontal does not show any different, vertical wont, cause the size of the underlying aether is so small, it should be obvious in horizontal way also. But either way I would be curious to check that as well, maybe I am wrong as well.
Makes no sense. He just said it’s not genes which control where the mouth is and then said a genetic mutation could move it to one side. I think this was a political answer to keep mainstream evolutionists on side. The obvious likely influence on evolution. Is the biolectric encoded anatomy and how that changes. This could be by lived experience and then passed to the next generation through a biolectric code stored in all cells including the gametes.
Every action we do, we do what is expect from ours tribe. Body might have a opinion, but not the cell. They do what is expected from its tribe. If it doesn’t we call it cancer. The body is a mirror system of the macro organism. Each system have two transactional openings. Serial and parallel. Each cell within the body can transact material or information serially by genetic determinism and parallel non deterministic way. Similarly eact body with in the macro organism can transact serially by inherit material and information in a deterministic manner and parallelly through language in the society. Everything emerges from this systems. Every sensor is a range calculator of contexts. Taste > touch > smell Immediate and visceral. Vision > hearing Not immediate, tactical. Self > language Abstract, strategical. In this non deterministic economic transaction space the individual is coded to transact with its kin. From the macro perspective tribe formation minimises economic risk for the tribes. Each and every node of these systems organise and mark their kin’s with identifier. Thus, i am what you make of me. And others too. For short cut i have a legal name, so you have. My legal name gives the legitimacy marker so that you can transact with me parallelly if you have the same marker. The self is a simulation in language. It negotiates between the physical world and the information world. All these negotiations are the temporal memories in the body and scene of the story. Now, when we started writing we iconised the abstract in the physical world to make symbols for the tribes. So that under that common symbol every node will take the same risk and distribute equally. We created more and more symbols and more and more meta tribes within the tribes so that who has the authority to use the pen control the tribe. When the negotiator act like an executioner then it’s a downfall of that system. It falls apart.
Objective reality > legitimacy > individual behaviours. Survival of the species is dependent on the decoding of the objective reality. Since no species can access it, they use their sensors and interpret the small data which is useful for the survival. Few complex species have created communication channels to rectify their sensory limitations to survive. Homo sapiens has widened their communication channels for faster throughput and started storing them as culture and carrying them through education. As a result we have created social truth. Factual datas are the useful snapshot of the objective reality, a totem, a physical object can be observed with the sensors. Truth is an individual subject, an interpretation of the sensory data, a useful compromise. The social truth is the useful compromise for the group by the group. The goal of the social truth is to survive as a group. Physical Transcriptions of these social truth legitimise them. We are tribal animal. We live in as a physical tribes and inside of hundreds of meta tribes in simulation which is the socio political data space we call it as the world. Since we can’t access the objective reality reliably we look for social truth as the best guess blindly. Institutions legitimise truths. Fact driven institutions are more useful in the survival of the specie. In other hand opinion driven institutions are not so useful for the species. We do what we can get away with and exactly as expected within the context of our meta tribes.
Conclusion : Intelligence is economy of metabolism. Language is temporal reference frame of economics. Self is simulation in language on metabolism for economy.
i simply love listening to Michael Levin, really is a gift to humanity.
Speaks like a practical engineer, no Woo woo mysticism but absolute pragmatism and science at its best and in its frontiers.
Certainly a philosopher too, but humble and not in speculative abstractions that cannot be tested in a lab - although projects sound like magic.
Michael you are a true gift of passionate knowledge and intuition for humanity. Thankyou.
Yes and he is doing a groundbreaking work as well.
11:30 timed pulsing stimulation, bioelectricity. Wow, these sound awfully like acupuncture!
Truly mind expanding. I've never thought of goals like this, especially evolution having the capacity to be a macro-manager who orchestrates via high level signalling rather than being a LEGO-builder.
Goals being similar to the Platonic concept of numbers/algorithms is also pretty interesting.
Great video. I was a bit concerned with the title of the channel as I'm not a scientific realist, and there are so many videos on UA-cam these days misleading people. This was a refreshing change. I already agreed with everything else Levin said, but he opened my mind about AI in relation to the topic.
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
I enjoy internalizing this wisdom to deepen ways of connecting to the experience of myself within my skin. Alignment through honest integrity of focused actions allows me to feel big within and throughout. How can I regulate the “ion channels” that bind me and hold me to my relationships and environments? A philosophy of agency within option space. Love it all! Thanks for the wisdom!
Hey, that was awesome. I will listen to it again
Thanks!
Levin's explanations remind me of Daniel Schmachtenberger's style. So refreshing in a world drowning in nonsense.
Great interview. Great questions and Michael Levin is brilliant. I can't wait to see where his works take us in the future. I am looking forward to checking out some of the other interviews on this channel. Thank you.
Thank you so much.
well we are a collective superorganism as individuals already, and thought is electrochemical which means it has a ranged component in your bioelectric field
I gotta step in here as a fellow trekkie, they most definitely did have multiple episodes about the question of Data's artificial intelligence and even better the episodes with Data playing Sherlock homes in Ship in a bottle, they have a simulation of Moriarty gain consciousness and trying to escape into the real world.
Does anyone know…? At 57:15 he mentions the mathematical formalism developed by Eric Hall (sp?) to make determining which layer in the system hierarchy is doing the most work calculable, to show if it’s a top-down or bottom up system. Google is not helping me here. Does anyone have further info?
may be because google subtitle software cannot grasp the difference between Eric Hall and Erik Hoel. I guess you will find your answer with the correct spelling.
and it just took me 3 minutes using google and the "top down causation erik hall' to find "erik hoel"
If you start with consciousness as fundamental then Matter becomes the extrinsic appearance of intrinsic experience.
Objective correlative = the poet induces an affect through an image/metaphor that promotes the arriving at the state of consciousness required to experience the sadness/joy etc the poet is structuring in the poem - see T S Elliot
What about an octopzs? Inteligent as hell but no sign of social interaction?
On a seemingly unrelated note, I would highly suggest revisiting and investigating the Michelson Morley Interferometer experiment, rotating it vertically this time. If indeed an Aether is found to be existent since the primordial times of the universe life itself will be redefined as immortal. The lack of a spirit as an animating force is the piece of a puzzle that needs to be discovered. Ubiquitous, but anisotropic in the presence of a mass body, the Aether shall set us free.
If horizontal does not show any different, vertical wont, cause the size of the underlying aether is so small, it should be obvious in horizontal way also.
But either way I would be curious to check that as well, maybe I am wrong as well.
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Hierarchy of groupthink
exactly
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decentralize choice
Makes no sense. He just said it’s not genes which control where the mouth is and then said a genetic mutation could move it to one side. I think this was a political answer to keep mainstream evolutionists on side. The obvious likely influence on evolution. Is the biolectric encoded anatomy and how that changes. This could be by lived experience and then passed to the next generation through a biolectric code stored in all cells including the gametes.
The answer lies in the geometry of Plato not mathematics. Numbers are incomplete as a description of "reality."
This is fascinating, but the real question is, does this dude have orange eyes?
JIMMY IS INSPIRED BY MICHAEL LEVIN
Cancer cells seem similar to xeno-bots to me
Every action we do, we do what is expect from ours tribe.
Body might have a opinion, but not the cell.
They do what is expected from its tribe. If it doesn’t we call it cancer.
The body is a mirror system of the macro organism.
Each system have two transactional openings.
Serial and parallel.
Each cell within the body can transact material or information serially by genetic determinism and parallel non deterministic way.
Similarly eact body with in the macro organism can transact serially by inherit material and information in a deterministic manner and parallelly through language in the society.
Everything emerges from this systems.
Every sensor is a range calculator of contexts.
Taste > touch > smell
Immediate and visceral.
Vision > hearing
Not immediate, tactical.
Self > language
Abstract, strategical.
In this non deterministic economic transaction space the individual is coded to transact with its kin.
From the macro perspective tribe formation minimises economic risk for the tribes.
Each and every node of these systems organise and mark their kin’s with identifier.
Thus, i am what you make of me.
And others too.
For short cut i have a legal name, so you have. My legal name gives the legitimacy marker so that you can transact with me parallelly if you have the same marker.
The self is a simulation in language.
It negotiates between the physical world and the information world.
All these negotiations are the temporal memories in the body and scene of the story.
Now, when we started writing we iconised the abstract in the physical world to make symbols for the tribes. So that under that common symbol every node will take the same risk and distribute equally.
We created more and more symbols and more and more meta tribes within the tribes so that who has the authority to use the pen control the tribe.
When the negotiator act like an executioner then it’s a downfall of that system.
It falls apart.
Objective reality > legitimacy > individual behaviours.
Survival of the species is dependent on the decoding of the objective reality. Since no species can access it, they use their sensors and interpret the small data which is useful for the survival. Few complex species have created communication channels to rectify their sensory limitations to survive. Homo sapiens has widened their communication channels for faster throughput and started storing them as culture and carrying them through education. As a result we have created social truth.
Factual datas are the useful snapshot of the objective reality, a totem, a physical object can be observed with the sensors. Truth is an individual subject, an interpretation of the sensory data, a useful compromise.
The social truth is the useful compromise for the group by the group. The goal of the social truth is to survive as a group.
Physical Transcriptions of these social truth legitimise them.
We are tribal animal. We live in as a physical tribes and inside of hundreds of meta tribes in simulation which is the socio political data space we call it as the world.
Since we can’t access the objective reality reliably we look for social truth as the best guess blindly.
Institutions legitimise truths.
Fact driven institutions are more useful in the survival of the specie.
In other hand opinion driven institutions are not so useful for the species.
We do what we can get away with and exactly as expected within the context of our meta tribes.
Conclusion :
Intelligence is economy of metabolism.
Language is temporal reference frame of economics.
Self is simulation in language on metabolism for economy.
This guy is 54 years old, doesn’t look it