Boss Metal Zone Used As A Preamp?

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  • @eastcoastaj5048
    @eastcoastaj5048 Рік тому +6

    Love the Zone, always have. Always will.

  • @GabePerson
    @GabePerson 6 років тому +40

    To be fair, any pedal would sound bad with the treble and gain at max. I did think it sounded way better through the effects loop though.

    • @josefpdx
      @josefpdx Рік тому +2

      The HM-2 sounds incredibly with treble and gain maxed

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  Рік тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @OsVaMeTaL
    @OsVaMeTaL 6 років тому +16

    I use the metal zone connected to the pre-amplified part of the amplifier. The sound that it gets is much cleaner, precise and full-bodied.

  • @eljayess
    @eljayess 4 роки тому +2

    Metal zone and a eq got me thru the 90s. Loved every minute.

  • @brianlong7696
    @brianlong7696 6 років тому +11

    Use mine going straight into the amp and back off distortion knob.....sounds great. If you know how to.dial it in, great pedal.

    • @rickleblanc8900
      @rickleblanc8900 4 роки тому +3

      Exactly. Mine has distortion at 2 o'clock max, more than enough. I also plug in straight, took some time to eq it correctly and am good to go. I don't get the hate for this pedal.

  • @zodx19
    @zodx19 2 роки тому +2

    I've had this pedal since 2002... It still works for me. Playing it through a Crate stealth 50 what 412 cab.

  • @ermonski
    @ermonski 6 років тому +32

    I saw Ola Englund's demo before yours, but all of you UA-camrs who tried the MT-2 on the FX loop return definitely gave this pedal a fresh breath of life.
    So to those wanting to sell, throw away, or put back their MT-2 pedals in their closets to gather dust: if your amp has an FX loop, PLUG YOUR MT-2 THERE
    It will change your life

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +2

      Ola just posted his video recently, and he seems to agree with me. His sounded killer

    • @ermonski
      @ermonski 6 років тому +1

      And I happen to agree with you both!
      Great video by the way. You guys helped me keep my MT2 than sell it haha. Cheers!

    • @Tom-fg3ri
      @Tom-fg3ri 6 років тому +3

      I just tried in the loop and sound s great

    • @bradmarden8392
      @bradmarden8392 6 років тому +2

      Ola RULES!!! And yes his video made me want to get a metal zone again

  • @73challenger5031
    @73challenger5031 2 роки тому +3

    I've used the MT-2 since the mid 90's and it's a regular on my board. I run it straight into the front of my JCM2000 TSL100. I use it through the clean channel for playing lead. I use the "crunch" channel on the amp for rhythm and never use the "lead" channel because it's not much different than the crunch channel. Before the Marshall, I used it through a SS Fender amp and it did the job and back then, I couldn't afford to go shopping for more pedals than the one's I already had so, to me, it sounded great. I've tried a tube screamer on the crunch channel but, it just sounds like I'm on a runway at the airport, if you know what I mean? I don't get why people constantly sh*t on the MT-2 because everyone I knew owned one. That EQ totally makes the difference with this pedal!

  • @notthesameman
    @notthesameman 6 років тому +2

    Thanks for the video about this pedal, its a good pedal, ive had mine since 1999 and still use it now and then, thanks

  • @AlistairMaxwell77
    @AlistairMaxwell77 6 років тому +4

    i also bought a MT-2 in 92 and played it through a cheap clean solid state amp (actually a fender bxr300 bass amp) and it rocked . gigged and recorded with it . it was sweet as

  • @christophermoore9436
    @christophermoore9436 7 років тому +73

    You're still using it wrong. You're supposed to boost the bass and cut the mids all way with the gain on full. Then you need to run it through a 15 watt Line 6 Spider on the insane setting. The "insane" setting is the key here. That's what gives it its master tone. And you can only play with a Squier Telecaster with single coil pickups. No other pedals are allowed in the circuit. Only a Squier Telecaster into the pedal into the input of the Line 6 Spider. And you can't use a noise gate, that blocks all the tone.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  7 років тому +12

      LOL That’s exactly the OPPOSITE of the point of this video, but the inexperienced players who do this are the reason why the Metal Zone is hated as much as it is. LOL

    • @cyberdel
      @cyberdel 7 років тому +6

      Metalzone and Line6 spider. The two most used guitar gear used in memes

    • @gtrsuite
      @gtrsuite 6 років тому +2

      Huh? What the... Its medication time for you Christopher. Very good...nice and slow, swollow and sip and.....

    • @jthodges4741
      @jthodges4741 6 років тому +6

      ALL THE GAIN
      NO MIDS
      METAL ZONE
      SLAYERRRR

    • @seinthomas
      @seinthomas 6 років тому +1

      Haha you made my day !! Epic :)

  • @Shred_The_Weapon
    @Shred_The_Weapon 4 роки тому +3

    (Brace for repetitions from another video.)
    Back in October 2001, I procured a Scholz Research & Development Rockman X100. It was great having the 80s Boston tones at my fingertips, but the amp itself was not compatible or ergonomically user-friendly. I basically spent the following 17 years longing for another way to loosely emulate that tone, not realizing the solution was under my nose the whole time. The secret is to have a clean amp channel and have this pedal, the MT2, dial back the gain control to someplace between 3 or 4, put all three EQ controls just right of noon and get your volume level of choice.
    I’ve achieved my tone of choice with the MT2 emulator in my Boss ME-80. Good for both Boston or 80s Queen.

  • @wadereynoldsgm
    @wadereynoldsgm 7 років тому +17

    I guess you had another thing coming with that experiment. My old early 90s metal zone is gathering dust. Maybe I'll try this out just for fun.

    • @fortj3
      @fortj3 6 років тому +5

      I see what you did there.

  • @bradleybriscoe6108
    @bradleybriscoe6108 5 років тому +2

    Just bought the Boss Waza MT-2 a week ago. I bought my first MT-2 in 1994 and ran it straight thru the front in out jack.
    Well, I now run my Boss Waza Craft MT-2 into the effects loop passing the preamp and it sounds like a Friedman, Bogner or Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier. I also run a Boss CH-1 Chorus pedal and a Boss DD-7 Digital Delay thru the effects loop and it's sounds amazing. And I'm a tone stickler and it sounds killer from my '79 Les Paul 'Silverburst ' into a JC-95 Jerry Cantrell Wah.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 років тому +1

      Yep, it’s a killer pedal man. I love mine and I use it all the time. Mine has made several appearances in other videos since this one.

    • @bradleybriscoe6108
      @bradleybriscoe6108 5 років тому +1

      @@RobertWJackson Boss pedals are built like a tank, It'll probably last you another 20 years mate! ☺

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 років тому +1

      I’m sure it will last me a lot longer than that. I bought my first Metal Zone in 1991, I think, whatever year it was they came out. I still have it, I’ve never had ONE problem with it, and it still works fine. I have an old DF-2 Super Feedbacker & Distortion from about 1984 or so. Also still works just fine. I had a CE-5 on my pedalboard that was literally on it for 15 years. When I finally decided to take it off and replace it with something else, it still works fine. We STILL don’t know what the lifespan of a Boss pedal really is because they been made since the 70’s and NONE OF THEM have died yet.

    • @bradleybriscoe6108
      @bradleybriscoe6108 5 років тому

      @@RobertWJackson that CE-5 Chorus pedal is another excellent pedal, especially for clean sounds. I always used the baby blue colored CH-1 Chorus pedal. In my opinion, Boss makes the best pedals by far, in strength and sound quality.

  • @MrJoseph6119
    @MrJoseph6119 5 років тому +5

    I use a Metal Zone in front of my JCM 2000 + 4X12 1960A and it sounds sick! just keep tweaking the knobs until it sounds killer!

    • @georgesaris9968
      @georgesaris9968 4 роки тому +1

      That'd be something to hear. I do wonder though, does the JCM2000's Ultra gain channel not give you the tone you want, and you use the Metal Zone for distortion instead? Unless of course you want the options of both pedal and amp distortion, which I can relate to. 🤘

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 3 роки тому +1

      The JCM 2000 is probably the easiest amp to put pedals in front of. Unfortunately that also tells us something about why the amp itself sounds the way it does.

  • @thiagovidal8972
    @thiagovidal8972 6 років тому +7

    just adjust treble on 0, 7 o'clock. do whatever eq, drive equalization. best pedal ever.

  • @frankkoller2622
    @frankkoller2622 5 років тому +2

    You can achieve the same tone from example 1 and example 2...
    And even a much better tone if you adjust the peddel correctly.
    All peddels add a couple watts to your signal so it is all ready a pre amp. Little as it is, it is.

  • @Stretchwreckedem469
    @Stretchwreckedem469 2 роки тому +4

    I've actually considered using a Metal Zone with a Graphic EQ or a clean boost in front of the pedal to tighten things up enough for recording tight, articulate Death Metal riffs.

  • @gtr1963
    @gtr1963 2 роки тому +1

    This is how I use it as well, as a preamp(well through 1 of my amps). Let me explain. I play 80's metal. My rig consists of guitar through a Boss Gt6. The GT6 has the metal zone distortion built in, but it doesn't have the 4 band eq that the pedal has. I have the pedal hooked into the GT6 as my distortion. I'm using a Fender Twin clean preamp tone from the GT6. Out from the GT6 I go on the right out to the effects return of my Marshall DSL 100 head. Left out of GT6, I go straight into the input of my JCM 900 4100 head. I don't use the effects return of the 900 because I have a rack BBE 362 Sonic Maximizer going into that send and return(the 900 really comes alive with the bbe in loop).
    I also have the GT6 delay panned to give my amps the stereo sound. It sounds so thick and heavy. It's the sound I just love. Yeah, my setup is old and outdated(like me..ha ha), but it makes the heavy thick distorted wall of sound of the 80s metal sound I love. I've used that setup on 3 CD's I've done guest appearances on.

  • @southofheaven4321
    @southofheaven4321 4 роки тому +1

    great final thoughts man.

  • @bnoyz3
    @bnoyz3 7 років тому +3

    Not sure if this was mentioned, or if you've seen the videos...but, Kirk Windstein from Crowbar uses only a tuner and a Metal Zone into a solid state amp, and has for years. But, he uses it as a clean boost in front of the amp (not in effects loop). So, level all the way up, distortion all the way down, all EQ settings at noon...I like his tone, but to each his own. He mentions that he knows that most people think that the Metal Zone sucks. He used to play Randall RG100ES heads and, just recently, switched to Orange CR120 i believe.

    • @clarkscott8532
      @clarkscott8532 6 років тому +2

      bnoyz3 seen them 3 times and every time he had 2 Mesa dual rectifier heads and 4 4x12 cabs. he probably has used solid state but not at the show's here.

  • @joshuaramirez
    @joshuaramirez 6 років тому +33

    I can't figure out how the Internet made it trendy to hate the Metal Zone so much?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +8

      I’ve wondered the same things many, many times myself. If you were a teenage metal guitar player in the 90’s, most likely that was your distortion. Most of those guys may not want to admit it, but it’s Boss’ second-best selling pedal EVER for a reason.

    • @beatlejuice5951
      @beatlejuice5951 6 років тому +3

      Robert's Guitar Dungeon yup. I still use mine, it's a staple of 90's death metal. USED AS A BOOST no distortion at all from the pedal. That's how they did it. And it is special. It's tight, it's aggressive and crunchs hard. No other pedal has that magic in my opinion.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +1

      I think by “they”, you’re referring to the old Swedish death metal bands of the 80’s. In which case, they actually used the HM-2 Heavy Metal distortion pedal. (The Metal Zone wasn’t out yet.) But I do agree with you. There are good tones to be had, depending on what your tastes might be. I don’t hate it.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 років тому

      If you guys didn’t see the video that went live today yet, I can’t wait for what I’m going to demo next!

    • @taunoctua245
      @taunoctua245 5 років тому

      Because, it is a bad investment. So it costs money and time. It's like rooting for the home team at a football game. Yeah, team Metal Zone sucks!

  • @austinfailz
    @austinfailz 6 років тому +6

    Definitely sounds better as a preamp than as a distortion pedal. Maybe they were working on it right as rack gear was falling out of favor and opted to just make it a distortion pedal without much tweaking.

  • @smoothcannibal5371
    @smoothcannibal5371 6 років тому +3

    Saw this one and I just tried it through my old ss pa system. There is a noticable difference. Sounded more like a proper distortion pedal. I'm going to try it with my 5150 combo when it's not the middle of the night and hear it at volume. Might actually use the thing after only hooking it up for a quick laugh once in a while.

  • @jeffreyquinonez8964
    @jeffreyquinonez8964 5 років тому +3

    Lol i started using my broken metalzon again after seeing ola englunds vid. It sounds so much clearer and smoother through the effects loop of my old fenderfm212R.im actually getting decent metal tones now lol

  • @isbirwan
    @isbirwan 6 років тому +2

    Well in my opinion..Boss Mt2 is for amp that has no drive/dist, but if you had a tube amp you need only Overdrive like Boss Sd or Od..and yes i agree using Mt2 as a preamp in that situation.

  • @numbersguy8737
    @numbersguy8737 5 років тому +14

    It's funny because the way his metalzone sounded plugged into his fx loop is exactly the way mine sounds plugged straight into the clean channel

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 3 роки тому +2

      It really depends on what amp you have. Some amps like a Peavey have a fairly flat response in the preamp section, and so does a Marshall TSL. That's why those are pretty easy to use with pedals. I have no idea what you are playing through, but it probably has to do with the amp you use. I have used a Metal Zone as part of my rig since 1997 and it's never been in anything but the FX loop or power amp input if one was available. If used with an amp head or combo with a separate power amp input the neat thing is that you basically get an extra channel if you use an AB box. Just use a Boss GEQ7 at the end which is always switched on, and you basically have and extra clean channel you can run pedals to.

  • @martinaugustine2673
    @martinaugustine2673 3 роки тому +1

    never crank on the distortion on it thats why it sounds bad. keep it at around 2 or 3 o clock and keep the Level at 12. also you gotta screw with the equalizer a lot to get it to sound good. just my experiences

  • @petepetrich7828
    @petepetrich7828 3 роки тому +1

    I’ve never even tried a Metal Zone before, but I use this same setup with the old DOD FX-86B Death Metal distortion and the result is basically the same. Through a clean channel it’s pretty unusable but through a Marshall DSL effects return it’s night and day! Not my go to distortion but I still go back to it once in awhile to mix things up! I’ve also heard really good things about a clean boosted Metal Zone through an effects loop return as well. Cool video, thanks!

  • @freeelectron8261
    @freeelectron8261 4 роки тому +2

    MZ into amp input (first test) is like a fly or bee in a jar! Into amp return (second test) has good low end and sounds much better.

  • @acecomet
    @acecomet Рік тому +1

    Great video man 👍

  • @deadlytone1012
    @deadlytone1012 3 роки тому +1

    Nice demo 👍, I use my mt2 and plug into the fx loop (return) of my orange dark terror, really good distortion sound and have gain that i need

  • @larrylee8257
    @larrylee8257 7 років тому +4

    This is the kind of useful stuff UA-cam is great for. I use that same pedal and have never tried that. Great Video!!!

  • @roberth7399
    @roberth7399 6 років тому +2

    Nice demonstration. You just plugged it in and started jamming without tweaking the pedal. In the effects loop you had a good tone! Would have liked to see you adjust the gain and what not but over all good video.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +1

      Thanks to Ola Englund, this video is suddenly getting some traction again. When I originally recorded it, the point was just to show the difference between running it through the front vs. into the effects loop without touching ANYTHING else. I may do another one where I tweak some knobs since it’s suddenly a popular topic again.

    • @tommykaira8775
      @tommykaira8775 6 років тому +1

      If not he can't proof that it will sound better in the f2f loop

  • @INVERTEDBUKAKI
    @INVERTEDBUKAKI 6 років тому +1

    I have been using it in front of the amp distortion on 0 level up to 6 or 7 cut down the lower mids and 5 on the upper mids works well as a boost to the gain of of my dsl 20 head

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      Try running it into the Return jack of the effects loop! Ola Englund recently did a video on this same topic, and he was shocked, as well.

  • @beatlejuice5951
    @beatlejuice5951 6 років тому +4

    I use it how Pat from Cannibal showed me. Works for me.

  • @reverendg5937
    @reverendg5937 5 років тому +6

    Sadly my Secret is now out. I’ve been given the MZ-2 for years on guitar trades & deals always being ask why. I’ve been taking them to a Shop on the N.Side of Chicago & having them re-voiced. Dumble, Solodano, Bogner, Mesa, all a Pre-Amp achieved w/a donor BOSS MT-2. Check out Johnny at Alchemy Audio in the Fort Knox Studio Complex.👍🏼

    • @johnanonomous238
      @johnanonomous238 5 років тому

      Whats the name of the shop?

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 3 роки тому

      Your secret? I've been using the MT-2 followed by a GE-7 since the mid 90's in front of either tube power amps or just in the fx return.

  • @SIMETHESHAMAN
    @SIMETHESHAMAN 3 роки тому +1

    I have a fender deluxe 85 redknob and using my metalzone this way makes that amp sound 10 times better than into the clean channel or the dirty or the both channel. My DS-1 not so much though.

  • @instrumentalist28
    @instrumentalist28 4 роки тому +1

    I have hooked all my distortion pedals through a 35 watt mini floor solid state power amp into a 2x12, and they all sound like a high gain amp head and better than my 6505 Peavey mini head...used an egnator black metal, a blackstar ht metal, my modded metal zones and the rocktron zombie, even a boss ds 1 being boosted by an sd1 .....one thing that will help as far as pedals as preamps go, is to use a graphic eq pedal after the distortion, works great for presence and depth controls

  • @kentuckyrex
    @kentuckyrex 6 років тому +1

    So, have you ever used a Marshall Jackhammer Distortion/Overdrive pedal? I have one that I thought smoked the Metal Zone. I bought mine at a flea market for $20 and haven't really seen any in any kind of music store. They're listed on Amazon new for $95 or $40-50ish used. It had the benefit of being an overdrive and distortion pedal by just clicking a dial switch on the front. Might be an idea for a future video for you.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      I’ve actually never played through one of those, though I have been curious. I may try one out one of these days.

  • @LFC-Star
    @LFC-Star 4 роки тому +2

    it sounds broken when going through the input jack of the front of the amp. Putting it through the effects loop makes it sound fuller and meaty.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 3 роки тому

      When you quote someone else, you should remember to give them credit.
      Those are Ola Englund's word's, not yours.
      ua-cam.com/video/nxRe99Tjlwg/v-deo.html

  • @bandeponymous
    @bandeponymous 7 років тому +1

    I would like to see a video of the same experiment with variations on the EQ and Gain. With the Gain dimed on both instances it would be nice to see what the EQ and less gain can do in the front and in the return of the Fx loop. I always ran my MT2 with about 1/3 to half the gain in the front of an almost breaking up amp and had decent tone. Still have to try the Fx loop though. Cheers and good work.

  • @tomleary121257
    @tomleary121257 4 роки тому +1

    Aloha, I just watched and then I tried it out with my Boss Metal Zone hooked up the exact way you did ,Marshall DSL 20 and my Marshall AVT150 with effect loop with mix and volume master both sounded better through fx loop , i think the Metal zone is for solid state amps and for tube we go thru the Effects loop ,,Cool ,,Thanks for the Lesson ,I love it,

    • @SIMETHESHAMAN
      @SIMETHESHAMAN 3 роки тому +1

      I have a redknob deluxe 85 fender which is solid state, the pedal sounds garbage in the front, I never used it till trying this and it sounds SOOOO much better. I dont know if its an effects loop, it has a power amp in and a pre amp out. It sounds great in there and terrible in the clean or dirty channel.

  • @pv6505
    @pv6505 5 років тому +3

    In my humble opinion:
    Use the Metal Zone dialed in for Mesa-ish crunch (gain pulled way back) and something like a Super Overdrive for boost in the B loop of a Boss Line Selector for crunch and lead and the something like a Blues Driver in loop A for a warm clean. Run the Line Selector into a Super Chorus and Delay for ambience and modulation. That can feed something like a Seymour Duncan Powerblock and cab. Boom. Entire amp rig on a pedal board with quick flexibility to swap out a pedal for a different tone for a different musical application and, again, in my humble opinion having played shows with a similar rig, it'll sound fine!

    • @likeitloud1
      @likeitloud1 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah that’s nice and easy to remember and ten miles away from the question. Look at me guys. Pow

  • @rezzzo76
    @rezzzo76 6 років тому +1

    Wow, that does sound quite a bit better! I'll have to try that!

  • @putinpuppet2063
    @putinpuppet2063 6 років тому +1

    Beginner question: How do we hook up the pedal & input output cables to use it as a pre-amp?
    Can I do that with my Fender Blues Deluxe amp?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +2

      Yep, you sure can. Run your first cable guitar -> Metal Zone input, and your second cable Metal Zone output -> Power Amp In on the Blues Deluxe. Good luck!

  • @LifeProducersofNewJerseyLLC
    @LifeProducersofNewJerseyLLC 6 років тому +4

    It is not a bad pedal. That is how amps sounded back then. It reminds me of Accept's " Balls to the Wall" song or Judas Priests "You Got Another Thing Coming" song.

  • @mottosierra1372
    @mottosierra1372 2 роки тому +1

    My metal zone sounds great with a valvestate amp but horrible with my tube head sounds like if was different pedal

  • @davesaenz3732
    @davesaenz3732 6 років тому +1

    Best video on metal zone on you tube. I too bought it in 92. Best distortion so far, beats MXR Distortion, and better than the Marshall dsl40c distortion which is good but needs a boost. Any ideas how to boost it up?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      If an overdrive pedal through the front won’t get it done for you (honestly, this sounds like a job for the Horizon Devices Precision Drive designed in collaboration with Misha Mansoor), then I’d try either a boost pedal like the TC Electronic Spark, Spark Mini, or Pigtronix Class A Boost. Or now that I think about, probably the best thing you could hit it with would be an MXR 10-Band EQ (you can boost the gain but keep the level where you want it). And minus the overdrive pedals, don’t be afraid to try running any of these in the effects loop for some different results, as well. Good luck man!

  • @davesaenz3732
    @davesaenz3732 6 років тому +1

    I bought mine in 1992. It's getting scratchy. How do I fix it?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      It could just be that dust has gotten inside of the jacks. Blow it out with some canned air. If that doesn't do it, open it up via the screws on the bottom side and air it out. Also hit the potentiometers with some De-Ox It contact cleaner. Dust accumulating in these areas are usually the culprits for scratchy noises. If the problem still persists, you may have a cold solder joint or two or three that needs to be touched up.

  • @martinchristopher5267
    @martinchristopher5267 6 років тому +2

    I have a Metal Zone and am really wanting to get me a Maxon Overdrive. I've been struggling for over 25+ years to find the right combination for killer destructive metal tone. Why a Maxon pedal simple the guys in Suffocation, Hate Eternal and Belphegor use Maxon.

    • @rbitrick
      @rbitrick 6 років тому +2

      Word to the wise, its not simply a Maxon overdrive that gives that sound. Those guys all use that overdrive pedal as a boost in front of a high gain or already dirty amp. The same would apply if you put it before your Metal Zone. On the Maxon, turn the overdrive down, volume all the way up, and set tone where you'd like it and it "boosts" the guitar signal in to the pedal helping the sound to stay tight and articulate.

    • @Andrath
      @Andrath 6 років тому +1

      I have an OD808 which I use as a clean boost for a Bugera 333xl infinium (which is the cheap as shit amp I use for gigging that sounds killer and just refuses to die) and a 5150 (which stays in my studio). I've never used it for the distortion sound.

  • @Danimal-76
    @Danimal-76 Місяць тому +1

    Haha I run my epiphone thru a metal zone on the effects loop on a fender fm100. Perfect for a punk band, lots of bottom end crunchy palm muting! 😎🤘

  • @arturoblacksabbath
    @arturoblacksabbath 6 років тому +2

    So, connection should be guitar-->MT2-->>return?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +1

      Correct.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 3 роки тому +2

      And if you want to kick it up a notch. Guitar - Dyna Comp - AB box(A into preamp in B into chain going to FX return) - MXR 108S(Master EQ) - MT2 - Carbon Copy - GE-7(lead boost) - Joyo JF-38 at +35db(Master level boost) - Volume pedal - Return.
      This gives you a complete extra channel to play with which can be both clean and dirty, all while still being able to run into the amp like normal using the AB selector.

  • @screamingscarecrow4251
    @screamingscarecrow4251 6 років тому +1

    First learned it here before Ola. Thanks man.

  • @roastmyrig6144
    @roastmyrig6144 7 років тому +1

    That definitely makes it sounds better. Maybe there's hope for it after all. :) Good video, man!

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  7 років тому

      +Roast My Rig Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @vixenvendettaofficial
    @vixenvendettaofficial 6 років тому +8

    I have a Metal zone only used once for 5 mins. I will have to look for it and give it a re try!! Thanks for sharing =)

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +1

      Try it using this method. You’ll be shocked!

    • @chrismoore7359
      @chrismoore7359 6 років тому +1

      + Vixen Vendetta
      Saw you in Pomona a few years back before moving back to East Coast. Great show!

  • @jeremiahtowery103
    @jeremiahtowery103 6 років тому +1

    I really think goin tho the preamp is making it more useful for sure and would prob be a good alternative to a heavier sound on a fenderish/vox clean amp.

  • @JosephCee
    @JosephCee 6 років тому

    The difference when running the pedal through the FX Return was almost not noticeable because you had the volume on the pedal way too low. The pedal was super quiet compared to the clean sound.

  • @WilDBeestMF
    @WilDBeestMF 2 роки тому +3

    I'm absolutely willing to concede that this pedal is cool as heck in other people's hands, and I'm Metal Zone illiterate.

  • @brettborman1200
    @brettborman1200 6 років тому +1

    Great video man.

  • @umokay1991
    @umokay1991 3 роки тому +1

    I imagine why so many people hated the metalzone was because they had to be metal and it's not metal if you don't turn everything up to its highest setting and it sounds like a beehive just fell on your head.
    Then there's bands like Placebo who just got it. The frontman plays with one, the bassist/guitarist has a bass pedal version and a guitar one. They dialed in their settings a bit differently, didn't bother shredding or chugging, and guess what, they were one of the not just the best sounding bands in Europe but they became one of the biggest alternative bands in Europe. Two decades later they've still remained relevant over there playing stadiums and making records. (You may not have heard of them because they completely ignored the west and instead tour around paris, spain and other countries over on the other side of the pond.)
    There's no doubting this pedal's power.

  • @tubaljohn1
    @tubaljohn1 5 років тому +2

    You have the most informative guitar page on Y/T. Thanks for all your work.

  • @jimicrack29
    @jimicrack29 6 років тому

    im glad didnt get rid of that pedal
    just dont know how to set up i no amp lol an thank you for sharing robert

  • @rondobondo6600
    @rondobondo6600 3 роки тому +1

    That's a good idea

  • @MrTimjm009
    @MrTimjm009 5 місяців тому

    This is how this pedal should be used . Its been known for a long time . And sounds great when plugged in the correct way

  • @paulobatista7035
    @paulobatista7035 6 років тому +1

    Brother, you have my respect and my like. Hugs from Brazil

  • @danielguinea2971
    @danielguinea2971 4 роки тому +1

    One question. If metal zone is intended to be a pre-amp, can I plug it in into my audio interface ( which has no pre amp to jacks ) without using after some amp plugins?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  4 роки тому

      Yep, you sure can. I do it all the time. Just make sure you’ve got an IR cab on the back end of the signal.

  • @SupaSavage24
    @SupaSavage24 4 роки тому +1

    Would running your pedal on an AC adapter sound better than a 9V battery?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  4 роки тому

      It may eliminate some RF interference introduced by the electrical wiring in the walls, but tonally it won’t change anything.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 3 роки тому

      Overall it does imo - if your power supply is good. I measured it once, and it likes amps. That's also why it eats batteries like there's no tomorrow. Give it a good 6-12v PSU and it will deliver.

  • @dannybrock7026
    @dannybrock7026 4 роки тому +1

    Have always been a huge fan of metal zone .. just like you when they first came out I got one .. it was the VERY best pedal for metal .. long story short . I have two now .. I run a looper .. so in one of my loops I use a boss eq before the metal zone to add a lil bit more gain and adjust the eq to help thicken it up for a lil more sustain on leads .. I run an aby box to two Mesa boogies in the front .. it's a killer sounding rig at any volume .. metal zones are awesome pedals .. can't convince me any different .. let the haters hate ..

    • @british-boy6703
      @british-boy6703 3 роки тому +1

      Hi buddy, he mentioned in the video that modern distortion pedals are better than this one, what would you say the best pedal is now and what sort of amp is best to use it with? I have one and I’m using it with a Crate GT 212 through the effects loop with a ESP LTD Snakebyte, I have a Jackson Rhodes also with Duncan designed pickups, it sounds ok I think but not as good as these guys on Utube make it sound, any suggestions? Cheers

  • @Flaco-ip7cl
    @Flaco-ip7cl 7 років тому +2

    I got mine in the 90'$ also
    I still have it

  • @tronknows4182
    @tronknows4182 7 років тому +8

    2:18 - I was not expecting that & the reaction was great 😂
    Edit: My cousin gave me that pedal years ago & I never used it because of the sound. I still have it packed away so now I'm going to look for it and try it as a preamp. Thanks, definitely subscribing.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  7 років тому

      +TRON KNOWS Awesome, thank you so much! Your support truly means a lot to me. Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @XChristianNoirX
      @XChristianNoirX 7 років тому +1

      Also look at the metal zone videos by Lasse Lammert. He uses it as a boost with great results... but the way to use the EQ is to cut the harsh frequencies instead of boosting.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  7 років тому

      I’ll have to give that a shot, thanks!

    • @gtrsuite
      @gtrsuite 6 років тому +1

      Yup And even in front of the amp, if you eq it right, it can be very usable. Its got sooo much gain, its ashame to waist! all that gain!

    • @yallevereatenbeans2723
      @yallevereatenbeans2723 6 років тому

      even if you didn't like that, you could still sell it, they hold a lot of their value for some reason

  • @Johnny-oy9fh
    @Johnny-oy9fh 4 роки тому +1

    I use mine as a distortion pedal into my dirty amp ...sounds great...

  • @xosis3486
    @xosis3486 6 років тому

    It sounded great in the return loop. There’s few distortion pedals that sound good going straight in the front, all overdrive sound good in front of amp, but with distortion, it’s a hit or miss. Even the boutique pedals, ( I collect pedals). They’re just too hot. Ive heard pedals sound awesome in one amps and totally crap in another amp. With a lot of amps you also have control of presence and resonance going through the loop, giving you additional control. My favourite was using. Boogie Mk3, you also had the Boogie EQ going through the loop. What I personally use is, I have a line mixer going into a Velocity 300 watt guitar power amp, with presence and resonance, an MXR 10 band EQ in the mixer loop, into a Boogie 4x12. I run my pedals through that and they all sound awesome, boutique or cheap. Even the DS1, and the MetalMuff, which is another hated pedal sounds absolutely amazing like this, overdrive for boost and tightness, and all I can say is wow. No preamp coloration problems or fried treble response.

  • @vmat1000
    @vmat1000 6 років тому +1

    I remember this pedal. Some good tones if one takes time to dial it in (better than the HM2 i finally gave away). Not a fan of effect loops but in this case, its not even close. Sounds good.

  • @chechenwojak5671
    @chechenwojak5671 5 років тому +2

    But will it sound good with a combo?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 років тому +1

      If it has an effects loop that you can run it into, I don’t see why it wouldn’t.

    • @chechenwojak5671
      @chechenwojak5671 5 років тому +2

      @@RobertWJackson I was just making sure :D
      I'm playing for about half a year, but i'm not into electronic stuff so i wanted to ask.
      Cheers and thanks for the quick answer!

  • @peteytwofinger
    @peteytwofinger 7 років тому +1

    lots of pedals have sweep able mids . maybe not the pedals you would see in GC , but they exist . how about the digitech df7 theres one for ya .

  • @gtrsuite
    @gtrsuite 6 років тому +1

    WOW, what a difference. I own a Metal Zone, if eq'ed right it can sound pretty damn good in front to of the amp but... I will try this into the send and see what happens. Interesting review. I'll be boch!

    • @Andrath
      @Andrath 6 років тому +1

      The FX return works a LOT better.

  • @josiahutt5591
    @josiahutt5591 3 роки тому +1

    I've never used any pedals cause I'm a beginner but it does sound alot less disgusting as a preamp

  • @nightoftheshape
    @nightoftheshape 6 років тому

    You have the distortion all the way up. NEVER HAVE THE DISTORTION ALL THE WAY UP! I rarely go past 12 o'clock. The most distortion I've ever used is 6.5. Years later I dialed it back to 5.5 and these days I set it right down the middle. The new Waza Metal Zone is killer!

  • @ungvarszkiszabolcs4342
    @ungvarszkiszabolcs4342 7 років тому +2

    Woah, that's quite a difference. Subbed.
    Although, in case you are plugged in the 'Return', can you use the amp's equalizer on the clean channel?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  7 років тому +1

      Thanks for Subscribing, glad you enjoyed it! No, when you run this pedal or ANY pedal into an amp’s Return, you are effectively bypassing the amp’s preamp section altogether, replacing it with the pedal itself, so the knobs on the amp become useless at that point. Even the volume control won’t do anything.

    • @alfuckem5620
      @alfuckem5620 6 років тому

      What if you have an amptweker tight metal in return of amp that has an effects loop, so that when you inactivate the distortion the effects loop activates the drive pedal? I am really interested in this. And great video Robert. I reallyy dig those MT sounds.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      I’ve never tried running and Amptweaker in an effects loop just because it’s already got THREE effects loops built into it itself. Seems a little overkill to me.

    • @alfuckem5620
      @alfuckem5620 6 років тому

      but it has one effects loop in lead, one in rhythm, and one when pedal is bypassed. So you could have delay going on when you switch to clean or any pedal for clean, and even a slight delay for lead channel for the solos! So its a win win. you dont even need to use the effects loops.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      I think I see what you’re trying to do. I’m not sure it would work though - unless you continued to use the Amptweaker’s effects loops - because you still wouldn’t have anything plugged into the Send input of the effects loop like you normally would.

  • @NeZversSounds
    @NeZversSounds 7 років тому +13

    1) in THAT guy's video you heard exactly what you get after recording guitar with mic (in his situation mic and cab was replaced with cab impulse) and no post-processing. He also did double-tracked guitars and put in context.
    2) I, in general, don't like distortion pedals in amps clean channel for the exact reason, but still, MT-2 EQ is so powerful that it can sound good on a clean channel, the only problem is that user requires good ear to set according to a situation (and not look for most stupid preset settings).
    3) I think you should work a bit on micing speaker because even clean guitar in clean channel sounded off. Sound from power-section sounded kinda ok because it got bass it was lacking.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  7 років тому +2

      +NeZversTutorials Awesome, thanks for the feedback! I admit I didn’t focus much on adjusting the gain levels on my 4-track.

  • @guitarhub90
    @guitarhub90 4 роки тому +1

    Anyone using the MT2 as a buffer only and keeping it on bypass mode? I have a ME80 and Ddrop then i bought a MT2 and place it in between, the sound become clear any idea?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  4 роки тому

      It probably has something to do with the buffered bypass. A lot of people will use a TU-2 or TU-3 specifically for this purpose. (And also because they’re good tuner pedals.)

  • @jameswilson3554
    @jameswilson3554 5 років тому +2

    Absolutely big difference I'd find one of those...

  • @louaguado995
    @louaguado995 3 роки тому

    Does any distortion pedal sound good with the treble and gain on 10 and the mids on 0?

  • @squirelova1815
    @squirelova1815 17 днів тому +1

    This is the best, nicest "Dungeon" I've ever seen. I guess I'm a 'Masochist' for nice music?

  • @currituck
    @currituck 7 років тому +1

    How is that set up to run as a preamp again? I would love to try that with mine. Thank you.

  • @valuedhumanoid6574
    @valuedhumanoid6574 6 років тому +1

    I watched a video (by Colin from CS Guitars) how to mod this pedal. It involved replacing some resistors with different values, eliminating some resistors all together and a few other tweaks. All in all, a very straight forward mod that anyone who's competent with a soldering iron should be able to do in a few hours. The difference was astounding. It really removed that fizzy top end that makes it so harsh, it gave the EQ a whole new curve and basically made it pleasing to the ear. Also, how you set this pedals controls is critical to good tone. First rule: Back off that gain knob to about 2. Then tailor the EQ to the amp you're using and the room and whatever style you're attempting to play. But with the vast amount of high gain pedals in the market today, just go find one you like. The TC Electronics Dark Matter is a killer metal pedal for $50.

    • @MyDemon32
      @MyDemon32 6 років тому +1

      He made a Diezel mod on the metal zone

  • @KimonFrousios
    @KimonFrousios 6 років тому

    It is unfair to A/B compare the same pedal settings with and without an external EQ (preamp)because the variable is not the pedal.
    In the front end of the preamp, you have to adjust your pedal's EQ to work with the clean sound you've set up in the preamp.
    In the loop return you skip the preamp EQ and the only EQ is the pedal. So your have to set up the pedal accordingly. But then you also have no control over the clean sound...

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      Having control over the clean sound is irrelevant in this particular instance. The entire point of the video was to showcase what the Metal Zone sounds like when used as a preamp versus running it through an amp’s front end.

  • @MrJosed28
    @MrJosed28 3 роки тому +1

    I like it.

  • @necromorphxbrute
    @necromorphxbrute 5 років тому

    Is it possible to run this pedal through the preamp on a peavey decade 80s? If so how would you do it? Asking for a friend who recently got that amp

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  5 років тому

      Run it through the preamp? Just run it into the front end where you normally plug your guitar into. If you want the Metal Zone ITSELF to act as the preamp, then run it into the Return jack of the effects loop of any amp.

    • @necromorphxbrute
      @necromorphxbrute 5 років тому +1

      On his amp there’s no fx loop, and his had a “preamp” plug-in. We just ran it through the front and it sounded fine.

  • @zzr7502
    @zzr7502 6 років тому

    Maybe it never should been a surprise due to the EQ setup.

  • @niallstewart109
    @niallstewart109 6 років тому +1

    has anyone tried this with the hm2?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому

      I don’t know if anybody has done a UA-cam video about it, but it would have to improve the sound of that pedal, as well. LOL

    • @georgesaris9968
      @georgesaris9968 4 роки тому +1

      Yes, see video in the following link, about 4.06 in the video. One of the best tones in that video. 🤘 ua-cam.com/video/779VEb2ambc/v-deo.html

  • @kentuckyrex
    @kentuckyrex 6 років тому +2

    Holy crap, I've been using it wrong for years!

  • @ticesine6589
    @ticesine6589 2 роки тому

    I've always read it could harm your amp ,plugging it into the fx return. The other thing is , you can't use your amp settings anymore, why would people do this? On top of all that , how do you connect other pedals ?

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  2 роки тому +1

      It won’t harm your amp at all, that’s a ridiculous notion. All your doing is bypassing the amp’s preamp section. Hence why most of the amp’s controls don’t do anything when you’re running it this way - the Metal Zone becomes the preamp as the signal path is now going straight into the power amp section. If you want to run other pedals, you connect them in series the same way you would if you were running them into the front of the amp.

    • @ticesine6589
      @ticesine6589 2 роки тому +1

      @@RobertWJackson oh wow ok ,, that great to know , so now I have some options ,, thank you very much

  • @iwilrage
    @iwilrage 6 років тому +1

    Its an awesome pedal

    • @wenby5054
      @wenby5054 5 років тому +1

      It most definitely is.

  • @taunoctua245
    @taunoctua245 5 років тому +2

    Hey, that it is how it normally sounds!! 2:21

  • @wargrinder99
    @wargrinder99 6 років тому +1

    You got another thing coming! Nice one bro

  • @oncaaxe8225
    @oncaaxe8225 Рік тому

    I wish you should your amp settings when you ran it as a distortion pedal

  • @GrooveDuude
    @GrooveDuude 7 років тому +1

    Wow! Substantial difference...for the better. Easier than modifying the pedal. Nice dungeon as well.

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  7 років тому

      +Groove Duude Thank you sir! I very much appreciate your kind words!

  • @kudus9235
    @kudus9235 6 років тому +17

    Gain on full? You really don't know how to use MetalZone

    • @RobertWJackson
      @RobertWJackson  6 років тому +6

      Honestly I didn’t even mess with the controls at all. Haven’t played this pedal in years before shooting this video. I just grabbed it off the shelf and plugged it in. The settings aren’t that point of the video anyway.