Motorcycle and ATV Cylinder Hone Instructions - Flex-Hone

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  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @171apples171 - Yes we do, even though it isn't listed in our specs. It depends on your bore size. Your KZ should be around 72mm. Please double check and refer to the following part list. 68-70mm hone part # is 1284240005, 71-73mm is 1284240016, 74-76mm is 1284240006.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @ch0l0sk8r - it depends how the cylinder looks. Honing puts fresh cross-hatch marks in the cylinder which helps seat the rings and keep the cyliner walls lubricated properly.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @motabikeboy - it is a cylinder from a KLR650 (fourstroke). It is somewhere around a 90mm bore.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  11 років тому +1

    These can be used on cylinders with ports however you want to be sure and run it through slow making sure you have plenty of hone oil.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @andre1995ish - you want to take the glaze out and have the light scratches from the hone. This will help the new rings seat and allow the cylinder wall to hold lubrication better. If nothing else, use a scotchbright pad to lightly scuff it up (cross-hatch like the hone leaves).

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @PuffBongsAllDay - are you getting fuel? Spark? Are you sure you have the piston in the right way? i would double check everything.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому +1

    @crazygondo113 - Not if it is done right. You want to use a hone like the "Flex-hone" that barely scratches the surface. The intent is to "deglaze" and put the crosshatch marks in the cylinder, not to remove any material from the bore.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @razed1022 - I don't know about airplanes, but OE nikasil plated cylinders (and steel cylinders) come honed from the factory. The factorys also recomend light honing to remove any polished spots.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  11 років тому +2

    Sweet! Glad to hear it worked out for you

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @GrandDanois - the manufacturer recomends 320 for both, which is what we stock.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @Browndemolitia - The hone won't take off "shavings", but tiny gritty particles from the hone certainly could fall in ports (2-strokes). That is why you wash it out when you are done.

  • @kennyrothacher6867
    @kennyrothacher6867 4 роки тому +1

    Will it take out a little scar in the cylinder because mine has a little scar

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @ImTrickeh - a hone will take out real light scratches, but nothing significant. The goal is to just remove the glazing. you will need a bore (if the sleeve is borable).

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому +1

    @jamie123dog - you can certainly do that too (warm water with dish soap will clean out the hone oil as well).

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @polishcuz - It is important your cylinder has good cross-hatch scratches so the rings seat properly. If your cyclinder looks a lttler worn with polished spots or glazing, then yes the hone is important. Refer to your manual for inspection and hone instructions.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  15 років тому

    @braaup - it depends on the bike (bore size). Check our website. use kyword search "flex hone".

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @Xx11HaloGuy11xX - it is a special oil for honing. It is thicker than WD40.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @1993TMAXX - Thanks. i will usually wipe it off and re-apply some fresh WD-40 before installing the cylinder.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @jshepard74 - unless it is a very light scratch, you need to have the cylinder bored or re-coated (depending on the type of cylinder you have). LA Sleeve is a good place to send your cylinder.

  • @newwavepressure6478
    @newwavepressure6478 5 років тому +1

    Nice do they have one for a Harley 1200

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  15 років тому

    @CR125MANIAC - if it is wearing out the rings that fast, I would suspect it is scored more than "ever so slightly". Either way, you could try a hone; if that won't work, you need a new sleeve or new nikasil plating.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  12 років тому +1

    - yes. we only offer one grit. It will work great.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  15 років тому

    @Excomunicater - yes. One of these days I will get around to doing it.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  11 років тому

    Obviously since the shaft is made of two wires twisted together you can't get it perfectly straight in the drill so it will wobble a little but just try and get it as straight as you can. Also make sure the shaft is straight and isn't bent at all.

  • @peedee4065
    @peedee4065 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the straight-forward video, BUT that did not look like a 45 deg. crosshatch, much shallower than that?

  • @ALIVE8455
    @ALIVE8455 11 років тому

    thanx. i got it in as straight as possible and it honed the cylinder good so thats good. and it wasnt bent at all i checked. it was brand new.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  15 років тому

    @Bmac2812 - I supose it depends on the material used. Nikasil - yes.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  11 років тому

    Yeah we use WD-40 but any rust/ moisture prevention product would work

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  10 років тому

    @TrollMaster300 That's just going to depend on the shop.

    • @stevenrasmussen23
      @stevenrasmussen23 4 роки тому

      So I thought your never supposed to hone nikasil unless it’s a diamond hone?

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @redrider187x - any shop that bores cyclinders should know what they are doing. i am sure they will hone it. i hope you are sending the new pistons too. The cylinder has to be bored to the piston. If the shop doesn't know that, you should send it somewhere else.

  • @andrzejreda7373
    @andrzejreda7373 9 років тому +6

    Is it ok to hone a cylinder thats nicasil plated? wouldnt that remove the coating and make the cylinder bad?

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @deerman1212 - what is your bore size?

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @bridgemaniii - the 320 grit we sell is perfect.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @greenmonster687 - 320 silicone carbide. Aluminum oxide works great too on nikasil. i worked directly with the manufacturer to get the best one for motorcycles and atv's, and the 320 silicone carbide is what they suggested.

  • @boaterbil
    @boaterbil 14 років тому

    @razed1022 they could be chrome plated cyls. they do not require glazebreaking

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @mcmailo - no it does not. If you ran the hone long enough in there it could.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @563873 - the 52-54 is bigger in size than a 54. Go with the 52-54.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @MrNik1001 - Apocalypse possibly, but most likely the cold water won't break down the honing oil as easy:)

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  12 років тому

    the hone won't change the bore size unless it it way over used. no worries.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @qwikyking - a new cylinder will already be honed and ready to go.

  • @WTF.416
    @WTF.416 4 роки тому +1

    What grit do you recommend for deglazing?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  4 роки тому +1

      You'll want to follow the recommendations of the cylinder/rings manufacturer. But for deglazing a cylinder, you'll usually want around 320 grit.
      Hope that helps!

  • @Darkskate12
    @Darkskate12 12 років тому +1

    HEY NOTICE THIS FAST PLEASE!!!!!

  • @carrysmith2008
    @carrysmith2008 12 років тому

    i was using a flex hone to hone a 2stroke cylinder n noticed the hone was eating away the area around the ports more then the rest of the cylinder,it actualy made an indentaion between the ports,why would this be? thank u for ur help

  • @Guzman3605
    @Guzman3605 10 років тому +1

    What the difference between honing and to re sleeve a cylinder????

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  10 років тому +1

      Guzman3605 When you hone a cylinder the only thing it's doing is removing the "glaze" from the cylinder. This isn't making the bore size any bigger so no you wouldn't need a bigger piston. The goal when honing a cylinder is to prepare it for a new piston and rings so when you do this it allows the rings to seat more easily to the cylinder wall. If you don't hone the cylinder before installing a new set of rings, it's possible that if it's glazed over the rings won't be able to seat and you will get blowby

    • @dmartin925
      @dmartin925 9 років тому

      +Rocky Mountain ATV MC Hey, nice video... What grit do you use?

  • @RcRacer8
    @RcRacer8 14 років тому

    So do cylinders have to have a glaze or seal, or how you finished cylinder will be fine? Does it make a difference in power between the two?

  • @razed1022
    @razed1022 14 років тому

    Wasn't honing done originaly because old cylinders and rings were cast iron and wouldn't seat? With the metals used in rings & cylinders today wouldnt honing just cause unnecessary wear on cyl wall? reason I ask is I use rotax two strokes on my light aircraft, when I get cylinders back from A&P mechanic they are mirror like smooth w/out a single scratch. My compression stays around 140-145.

  • @Darkskate12
    @Darkskate12 12 років тому

    Hey I have one more question, it is when I don't know size of cylinder so I am going to take the cylinder to to shop so they measure my cylinder, ok. Should I hone the cylinder before measure, honing doesn't make big difference in size of piston or does it ?

  • @Excomunicater
    @Excomunicater 15 років тому +2

    Sweet! That would be awesome! I have a Cr500 and Kx250, and both need a rebuild I think. haha Thanks a bunch! Your videos are very well done and extremely helpful! Keep up the good work!

  • @Inspector694
    @Inspector694 8 років тому +1

    Im doing a top end rebuild on polaris snowmobile and there's nothing wrong with the motor, do i still need to hone my cylinders?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  8 років тому +1

      I would if you're already in there. You can also look for any cross hatchings on the cylinder wall.. if you don't see any or if it has any glazing then i would recommend honing the cylinders.

  • @ImTrickeh
    @ImTrickeh 13 років тому

    i have a 65 and the cylinder sleeve has deep scratches, would this work or would i have to get a bigger piston or a new sleeve?

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  11 років тому

    Those are not recommended for nikasil plated cylinders. I would recommend investing in one of these Flex Hones.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  12 років тому

    - list the correct size on our site for your specific machine. It is a 65-67mm hone.

  • @563873
    @563873 13 років тому

    I have a 54mm bore and the chart goes from 52-54 or 55-57 what size should i get i heard that you are suppose to get one size bigger
    Please Help

  • @BROKEBOYLORD
    @BROKEBOYLORD 13 років тому

    Did you use WD-40 for the light coat of oil ?????

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @dh4life100 - it just depends on the shop

  • @jamie123dog
    @jamie123dog 14 років тому

    @razed1022 - My question is why use warm water to clean the cylinder out of honing oil when oil and water don't get along? Why not use mineral spirits or parts washer solution to cut threw the oil better ?
    Thanks

  • @archiveprivate
    @archiveprivate 14 років тому

    @RockyMountainATVMC Im sending the cylinders to the same shop that im Buying my piston kit from so there gonna just tell me what size pistons there sending after they Bore it. Thanks for the quick reply and Your video's are very informative. They have helped me out a TON! Thanks again!

  • @ALIVE8455
    @ALIVE8455 11 років тому

    how do you get the thing in the drill straight?? i keep trying to put it in my drill as straight as possible but it keeps wobbling every time. at first i throught it was just the drill so i tried the other one and same thing

  • @joet6990
    @joet6990 6 років тому +1

    so i just ordered a brand new cylinder for my 2009 yamaha yz85. will it need any of this work done or will i be able to just toss it on and ride?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  6 років тому

      *joe t-* It will definitely need be cleaned with soap and water. It should be honed from the factory and ready to go though. Thanks

    • @mtbridingog9083
      @mtbridingog9083 6 років тому

      joe t just slap it on

  • @robertdavis6708
    @robertdavis6708 12 років тому

    What is the chemistry make=up of the RM Hone. I need the grit no.?

  • @veedubu
    @veedubu 12 років тому

    My '01 Kx250 is a 66.40mm bore... should I use the flex-hone 64mm or 67mm tool? Also what grit should I use?
    thanks!!

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  12 років тому

    For the 2003 CRF450R part # 1284240010 - Flex-Hone Cylinder Ball-Hone 96-105mm would be the correct hone and with as little as the hone is ran through the cylinder it's not going to change your bore size at all.

  • @Sandeep9201
    @Sandeep9201 13 років тому

    what is the difference between honing and boring??
    boring is when you increase the bore diameter?
    honing is just cleaning the sleeve?
    right? or wrong?

  • @CR125MANIAC
    @CR125MANIAC 15 років тому

    hey guys i have a 2002 kx 125 my cylinder is ever so slightly scored on one side and it wears my rings down within 2 hours of me breakin it in with new rings n then wont run untill i replace with new rings is there anyway i can resolve this issue without having to fork out for a resleeve or bore thanks ben

  • @archiveprivate
    @archiveprivate 14 років тому

    Hi I have an important question, Im sending my atv Cylinders out to have them Bored then they are going to return them to me so i can put a new Piston Kit in. They didnt say anything about Honing the cylinders after boring them? should i ask them to Hone them too? I thought once they bored my cylinders and sent them back with a Piston kit i would be good to go for installation? I appreciate your time.

  • @MLGtroll365
    @MLGtroll365 10 років тому

    So how much should a shop charge you to hone your cylinder? Cr250

  • @ch0l0sk8r
    @ch0l0sk8r 14 років тому

    @rockymountainatvmc hey say if i wanted to rebuild my kx250 topend would i need to hone it , what if i just needed new rings what does honeing do thanks,

  • @qwikyking
    @qwikyking 14 років тому

    do you need to hone a cylinder if its brand new? with brand new piston? or is there anything you have to do to prepare brand new cylinders? doing a cylinder/piston/head replacement on a ktm 450

    • @starwarscrazy4540
      @starwarscrazy4540 2 роки тому

      Yes just look at new cylinder see any cross hatching if no then hone

  • @joshosgood4361
    @joshosgood4361 7 років тому

    with the flex hone what size do I need for a Yamaha warrior 350 83mm cylinder

  • @polishcuz
    @polishcuz 14 років тому

    is Cylinder Hone important when doing the top end rebuild? sorry for asking a dum question but it is my first time doing something like this.

  • @Bmac2812
    @Bmac2812 15 років тому

    Can you use this for an electro plated cylinder?

  • @171apples171
    @171apples171 13 років тому

    do you carry this flexhone for KZ1000 street bikes?

  • @dmorrow250
    @dmorrow250 11 років тому

    Im about to do it today on my KDX200, why not?

  • @krstndevore
    @krstndevore 14 років тому

    @RockyMountainATVMC Have a question I am rebuilding my 03 banshee I would like to bore it 30 over but it worry's me that if I do that it would create more probloms for me like (Over heating) (Faster clutch wear)and trans) And also wondering if I will have to get an oversized head for the new bore I would really like to upgrade the power I just want to know how to do it properly without causing probloms

  • @octaneaddiction1405
    @octaneaddiction1405 5 років тому

    I have a kx250 do I need to hone the cylinder before every top end change?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  5 років тому

      Yes, you'll want to hone your cylinder when you're doing a top end on your bike. Most pistons will come with instructions on how they want you to prepare your cylinder before your top end.

  • @1993TMAXX
    @1993TMAXX 14 років тому

    Hi there! I got a question. When u apply the light coat of oil at the end of honing your cylinder, do you wipe off the oil or leave it there? Thanks for your great videos!

  • @aidenvockins2722
    @aidenvockins2722 12 років тому

    On my 03 crf450r what size would I use? And Idoes this change size of my bore? Thanks guys

  • @dh4life100
    @dh4life100 13 років тому

    ow much do you think this would cost to have done?

  • @buttole
    @buttole 14 років тому

    What happens if I use cold water?

  • @djh96419
    @djh96419 11 років тому

    What about the ones with the 3 arms that spring out with the stone. Should I not use that and just get one like you have?

    • @starwarscrazy4540
      @starwarscrazy4540 2 роки тому

      If you are not a skilled mechanic stay away from the three arm hone. Play it safe and ball hone.

  • @KevDoesStuff
    @KevDoesStuff 13 років тому

    I want to save some money and re hone my cylinder myself. I have a yammy warrior 350 and I see you sell vehicle specific flex hones but my cylinder is bored bigger than stock should i still go with the warrior flex hone?
    And also is it required to get new rings? My piston shows no damage. And my ring end gaps are in spec.

  • @Excomunicater
    @Excomunicater 15 років тому

    Yay for the flex hone! :D Thanks for the vid.
    And I have a question. Have you thought about doing a video on rear shock service/rebuilds, or would that be too dangerous a task for the home mechanic? The Clymers manuals don't seem too keen in helping with that, and Information on how to do that would be extremely helpful! Thanks!

  • @kylelavender9908
    @kylelavender9908 8 років тому +1

    how much does it usually cost to get a Honda cr250 honed and sleeved

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @vagelis17y - I think the video tells you. listen again.

  • @Guzman3605
    @Guzman3605 10 років тому

    When honing a cylinder do you need to get a bigger piston?

  • @frankiemarchese2978
    @frankiemarchese2978 5 років тому

    I just bought a 3-3/4” flex hone for my wr450f. Is it true that i would be doing more harm than good? I only plan on rotating it in the cylinder for about 10-15 seconds. Thanks! Im nervous to do it but also know i need to create more cross hatch

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  5 років тому

      If you follow these directions and don't overdo it, there's no reason you should cause any damage to your cylinder. It does seem like a daunting task but just take your time and use a smooth, fluid motion and you'll be set!

    • @frankiemarchese2978
      @frankiemarchese2978 5 років тому

      Sweet. Some people have told me to use a scotch brite, i’d rather just use the flex hone. Have you ever scotch brited a cylinder to de-glaze and put a cross hatch back into it?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  5 років тому +1

      I personally haven't used a scotch brite but know that many people have and it's worked fine. It'll just take a little longer than using the hone.

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @Sandeep9201 - correct

  • @ChristosDrifter
    @ChristosDrifter 14 років тому

    @RockyMountainATVMC i have a kawasaki D tracker 300cc and the engine is stack.
    The problem is that the engine worked a lot of time with out oil...
    Will flexhone help me rebuild the engine? or do i have to sent it to a workshop for repair?
    If so where can i buy flexhone from? i live in Europe-Greece!

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  13 років тому

    @LORDDis0FFICIAL - another brand, but yes!

  • @tin510
    @tin510 14 років тому

    After doing a top end would it be best to hone the cylinder?

    • @starwarscrazy4540
      @starwarscrazy4540 2 роки тому

      Yes if your in that deep wont hurt anything. Will aid in proper piston ring seating eliminating dought.

  • @grimbojimbo
    @grimbojimbo 10 років тому

    I am doing top ends on a 2000 rm125 and 2005 rm85. Both ran O.K. I found problems with power valves/resolved. Jugs/pistons were great. 125 WEAK compression. My question is do I deglaze nikasil? I've heard don't because the rings don't seat, like old school smokers with cast iron jugs. I just want a yes/no answer. And maybe a logical reason. Who knows, maybe this will help low budget do-it-yourself-ers, like me

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  10 років тому

      Yes, it's always a good idea to hone any cylinder before replacing the piston. This helps the new rings seat properly and allows the cylinder wall to retain lubrication better. Even 2 stroke jugs benefit from being honed. As the video shows you simply run it through the cylinder 5 or 10 times to get that 45 degree crosshatch and you're good to go!

  • @justgjt
    @justgjt Рік тому

    With a Nikasil bore you what your Flex Hone to be 240 grit Aluminium Oxide otherwise you will ripout the Nikasil coating.

  • @KevDoesStuff
    @KevDoesStuff 13 років тому

    Bore size is 83.5 but I'm gettin it bored to 84mm the flex hone says to 83mm

  • @groharjan
    @groharjan 12 років тому

    is WD-40 a contact cleaner ?
    or what is contact cleaner at all ?!

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @PuffBongsAllDay - It sounds a little wore out. I am sure it is causing loss of performance. Time to send the cylinder to LA sleeve.

  • @daveyt4802
    @daveyt4802 6 років тому +1

    What grit flex hone is best?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  6 років тому

      We use Flex Hone. You can check them out here and read the reviews: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/989/26582/Flex-Hone-Cylinder-Ball-Hone

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  6 років тому

      We use Flex Hone. You can check them out here and read the reviews: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/989/26582/Flex-Hone-Cylinder-Ball-Hone

  • @erikkovalik7501
    @erikkovalik7501 8 років тому

    would this remove seize marks on the head?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  8 років тому

      Depends on how deep the markings are? I would say no. Generally the ball hone is simply used to deglaze the cylinder walls and apply new cross hatches.

    • @erikkovalik7501
      @erikkovalik7501 8 років тому +1

      Rocky Mountain ATV MC wait can you check out my forum on thumper talk. It has more detail about the problem and I found something really interesting about it. Here's the link
      www.thumpertalk.com/index.php?/topic/1197885-1993-Suzuki-rm125-rebuild-help
      1993 Suzuki rm125 rebuild help

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  8 років тому

      I would recommend having a shop take a look at it. From your pictures it looks to be like having it re-bored and plated would be the best option and get it fixed right. A hone isn't going to fix the scarring on the cylinder. Yes, the bike might run otherwise but fixing it the right way is going to help all of your new parts last longer.

    • @erikkovalik7501
      @erikkovalik7501 8 років тому

      +Rocky Mountain ATV MC I thought the hone would remove the excess metal on the cylinder and i think that the metal is from the pistion, from the looks of it, it looks like the aluminum from the pistion melted on the head some how and caused the piston to get damaged way more and i think the hone can easily remove that aluminum if it is from the pistion

  • @rmatvmc
    @rmatvmc  14 років тому

    @boaterbil - Refer to the manual

  • @ikeemj3802
    @ikeemj3802 10 років тому

    I have a regular hone not a flex hone will it work?

    • @rmatvmc
      @rmatvmc  10 років тому +1

      That's just going to depend on if it's the correct size for your cylinder or not. You'll also want to check the instructions of that specific hone because they may be different from that of the flex hones.

    • @ikeemj3802
      @ikeemj3802 10 років тому

      thanks

  • @dblock2626
    @dblock2626 11 років тому

    thanks man I thought I noticed all the videos didn't have ports.. prob better off leaving mine alone then taken this ishraff to my cylinder