Pro League Player Reacts to Mobile Legends M5 FINALS
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2025
- Today you get to witness what a League of Legends god - named Cowsep - feels about Mobile Legends pro play.
He watches all the games and discusses his feelings and then moves on to play some games himself!
I guess myself, because I'm Cowsep, and I'm writing this.
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There’s a lot more you need to learn lol
Thx for understanding bro
The Analyst (Wolf) is actually explaining why they did it and what are they doing. The difference in Micro play between 2 games is just too different.
There are actually 4 metas/strats created by Ph teams, being used by pro teams nowadays:
1) Tank Utility Meta, pioneered by M3 Champs Blacklist. Jungler is a tank, roamer is a tank/support hero, midlaner is high magic dmg.
2) UBE Strat (Ultimate Bonding Experience) by Blacklist again. stick together in teamfights and roam around the map as a unit.
3) Kontrapelo meta, famous by M4 Champs Echo. Basically a segway strat, 2 players disengage to split push up to a backdoor play.
4) Early Aggression Meta by Echo, also utilized mostly by APBren during M5. Goal is to gain early game advantage by aggressive farming and sidelaners taking minions and creeps close to their lane where their jungler isn't nearby (limping the enemy jungler). Exp and Gold Gap, and maintaining it.
@@Yoriichi_Sengoku funnel strat?
Roamers tend to go mid to gain exp to get their ultimate that's why they always go to mid in 2mins and their midlane go to top to gain exp for their ultimate also
at early they were tend to go mid and the midlaner or mage tend to go exp early bc u can share the exp but they nerfed it idk why
and gold lane too its working with gold lane too before the nerf
Dang this is smart i wouldnt have know this if you didnt say it.
Edit: This wouldnt work on solo btw
This and to help mage mid lane branch off the lane sooner to gank in other lanes. If the roam doesn't do this at start, the roam also might stick with the jungler more to start an enemy jungle invasion/steal or gain control of the stream buff and protect from losing turtle or lord early game.
@@5yearsago... this would if you get lucky getting grouped with decent teammates who has some basic sense of rotation tho
The thing you have to remember in ML is that the towers are way more fragile than in League, so split pushing are way easier, so keeping track on the minion waves are way more important, as one wave with no one but the tower fighting against it can deal high damage to that tower or even destroy it.
Agree, so many teammates of mine is blind on clearing minion
And that's what makes it more engaging
29:36 if you noticed here, Kyle could have ULTed the claude to kill but it was actually on cooldown by the very last second (you can notice the darkened circle being lit green on the hero icon) right when CW tp’d away 😂
that is one of the biggest diff from LoL, when turtle spawn they dont camp it and want to take it 5v5 most of the time the mm/carries stay in their lane to farm creeps, roams go to mid or exp to gain exp to have their ult when they reach lv4 to fight turtle. sometimes teams dont contest the turtle cuz of team comp if enemy is early game dominant and they are late gamers they tend to not do turtle and farm lane, take opposing jungle creeps and destroy towers expand their map. these thing you dont see in your solo rank games, I hope you grind get to high ranks to experience the game differently hoping you also bring in like a team of LoL players try mllbb and play high rank
Fr bro I think he underestimate the gamestyle in tournament , its different playing solo
The 4-1 scenario in lord fights was an offense & a defense tactic where 1 of their team tries to segway push while the other 4 will try to prolong the lord fight (In the lord fight they will try to macro the opponents or punish them if they make some mistake then after that they will proceed to the objective)
About the tank hiding more often in the bush, it is also a strategy where the team tries to put some pressure on their opponents (Knowing the tank is there and anytime it can flicker in and make some set, it will make the enemy team hesitate to rotate/attack)
In the lord's fight/dance usually the Jungler/ExpLaner solo's the lord while the others are hiding, giving some impression that "something going on is not right will make the opponents think twice and before they make some decision it will be too late for them.
The spamming recalls and emotes are intended to annoy the opponents. It is considered part of the game where your patience and discipline will be tested.
In MLBB pro tournaments it's all different. From the perspective of an ordinary player who plays so often, there is no doubt that you will question a lot of their decisions. There's so much more in the game, a lot more than you think.
yeah since we dont have wards using psychological tactics are valid
Kiboy did often function as a ward while also trying to apply pressure, which at the beginning was hard for me to see but I did end up seeing what he wanted to do in the later matches. Its also hard to remember how the vision rules are in MLBB especially since we have no fog of war when reviewing the replays, so sometimes its unfair to judge people's decisions
@@cowsepmobilelegendsshorts8487 In Kiboy's case it didn't end in what he wants to happen. over all your comments were good. I,m a fan of yours btw. hoping to see you stream live this game in the future.
@@cowsepmobilelegendsshorts8487YOU ARE ACTUALLY RIGHT IN MOST OF THESE LIKE WHAT WAS KIBOY DOING,WHAT ARE THE TANKS DOING
YOU HAVE A GOOD INSIGHT
Cowsep is just a bystander of mlbb who dont know the meaning of tactics and the micro and macro😅😅😅
fun fact:
the Kyletzy, Flaptzy and Karltzy ign all came from a Dota2 superstar named Arteezy (2ez4RTZ) 😁👌
Kairi was always a runner up in M World Series (in different teams),and now he's in onic and still a runner up that's why he couldn't hold his tears anymore, he had been through a lot
Also the pressure was ON him since a bunch of people were convinced that he was the one that carried Onic ID into relevancy in the world-stage, he was a Filipino in an Indonesian team and he was playing in his country for the first time in a while. He also had beaten the team his friends were in (Renejay and Edward in Blacklist) and everyone was shouting for the Ph era to end (the myth of the "host country never wins m-series" curse made people support Onic a bit more). He could also easily blame himself for the loss like a lot of "fans" ended up doing.
These teams are one the same page. Some plays or positioning might be questionable but trust me there are always reasons behind those. The reason why there are players in the turtle even if their jungler isn't, is to somehow try to delay or distract the opposing team, giving way for their jungler to get some jungle creeps for retri stacks, or to invade the opponent's buffs which is sometimes done when their retri is behind.
Not really, there were some questionable plays like in 18:22 where butss forced turtle even though Kairi is not planning on contesting it. The fact that he also wasted his terizla ult makes it so much worse.
It should be common sense to give away objectives if your jungler has no intention of contesting.
@@blurryface5744 do you really expect them not to commit mistakes???🤣🤣
@@markjayborromeo9883 They are not perfect of course but these mistakes are not something you should from PRO players. Even mythic 10 star players wont waste ult like that
@@blurryface5744 why you are not in pro scene if you are better than them?? It easy said than done🤣🤣🤣 as if what that guy saying are relevant to these pro players..you are only good in giving opinions thats why you did not became pros🥱🥱🥱
@@markjayborromeo9883 When did I say I'm better than them? Giving criticism is completely reasonable especially when professional players who get PAID MILLIONS DO DVMB SHT LIKE THIS.
Flaptzy, especially when he's using Paquito, is infamous among pros for being relentless with split pushing. Like you said, the games go by faster which applies to the turrets as well. They are so fragile that you have to go away and defend a turret from someone pushing almost every single time. If you ignore the lanes long enough, non mages and non supports could easily demolish up to 2 turrets. And having someone push a lane when only the inner turret is left suddenly becomes that much scarier.
Echo was known to finish a lot of matches this way, where they'd distract the enemy with a lord dance while the marksman (usually Karrie, Bruno or Claude, sometimes accompanied by the roamer) very quickly sneaks off and finishes the game. These are when keeping as many turrets as you can becomes a vital factor.
Iirc it is precisely because of Echo's tactic that the recent changes to turrets happened (the base gets much tankier when there are no minions, inner turrets have a one-time defense mechanism that clears most minions in a wave, all turrets became slightly tankier)
There are also times when some teammates stay far from the lord and turtle struggles to keep watch or to keep other enemies away (if you're using a mage and the enemy mage is MUCH more vital to teamfights than you are, you can harass the enemy mage before they get to the turtle and either kill them or force them to not go or even to recall back to the base). There are also times when the turtle is given to the enemy because of a disadvantage (engaging in a teamfight you wil definitely lose isn't worth a turtle) or because they feel that picking off the enemy gold laner or a tower is more important.
Fights between teams where one isn't too far ahead of the other all turn into mind games. Having a soft damager like the marksman or mage show up in the map to bait enemies into an ambush or lure them away, using the lord to split and end the game (or vice versa, split pushing to force the enemies not to go for the lord), scaring the enemies into thinking there's more of you in the bushes, sacrificing one player so that the enemies can use up their ults on them before engaging in a teamfight, etc.
A lot of people agreed that Kiboy and Butsss underperformed in this series. I feel like Butsss might have done better if they let him use Phoveus more. Though a lot of Indonesian fans of Onic ID blamed Kairi since he was Filipino. To be fair, nobody else on the team was more qualified than he was to check the bush for enemies. He was the only true tank there.
I would like to add some background information on Kairi:
ONIC ID Jungler Kairi
1. He is a Filipino Import of ONIC ID
2. His first debut was with Blacklist International.
3. His first M-series match was M3, when he was in ONIC PH against Blacklist.
--M5 is his 2nd M series match, that's why he was emotional because this is his second time being a step away from being an M-series Champ.
AP BREN Pheww and Flaptzy are M2 and M5 Champs now (twice going against Kairi)
m5 is his 2nd appearance on worlds finals*** his 2nd m series appearance is in m4 where they only got 4th place
"he is a T4NGALOG" import to onic ID
The reason sidelines don't always goes to Turtle quick is because the turrets can't stand alone. Usually 1 minion wave is enough to destroy towers . And leave key positions of bushes
We have what they called lord and turtle dance, minion management, macro play, diversion, trade ect. that you saw on game the which may very different from LOL. Itemazation is also a big factor, there's an item that could actually counter and burst the tank immediately. Skill is another factort, there is a hero skills that are heavy cc, op crowd control, supress ect. I think that is some differences between mlbb and LOL.
theres a lot of differences which is what makes it so fun to analyze :)
@@cowsepmobilelegendsshorts8487 But you are always wrong in analyzing this match. This is a chess match bro
@@cowsepmobilelegendsshorts8487 you can't even analyze this correctly because you LACKED about the game in terms of the pro level. You just keep mentioning League League League.
@@cobaltbluemaruguys be respectful.. he keeps mentioning league because most of his experience are in the league.. his point of view is always what he experienced playing the league... this guy is in pro level too but not on mlbb.. we are here listening to the reaction of someone who is outside of mlbb.. yes he played mlbb but not as hard as most of you guys and i bet some of you will LACK the game knowledge of LoL.. both sides is totally fine.. so dont make it trigger you if he doesnt know a thing with the current macro in pro scene of mlbb..
later on he will realize the things he already knew like league's map is bigger and ml's pace is faster compared to league and this is the reason he will understand why in turtle or lord taking, some players are not yet in the area because like i said smaller maps means you can get there easily with mobile heroes.. early rotation of roamers that he mostly complained and then explained by other people here since this is the difference of how ml and league played in the top level...
another thing we can see are the teams in china who are more accustomed to wildrift and lolpc so they played the same concept to how cowsep see things and yet they got trashed by other regionsast year because ml has difference to league that some may not think its not a big deal..
its more annoying if a guy who is aying mlbb everyday every season and yet he will give this kind of opinion.. so chill out and just help him understand why he is wrong...
@@cowsepmobilelegendsshorts8487 analyse my as#$. You NEED TO LEARN MORE about mlbb before you analyse the game. Don't get your head big even if you're pro in LOL. When it comes to mlbb, you're nobody.
You are absolutely right. Flapz is mile ahead vs Butss always in level, gold, and zoning gameplay. Whenever flapz control the game, bren win. He outplayed butts million times thats why he is the final mvp.
Trivia, Thamuz is not a meta in pro scene, rank and classic games. And during thr upper bracket semifinals, bren got crashed by onic 3-0, because of kiboy tigreal pick.
Now apbren made an adjustment, they pick a very nonmeta Thamuz to outzone kiboy tigreal and cw claude (Thamu activate vengeance spell everytime claude is using his ult).
alzo thamuz is a anti tank heri
Another one question that i would like to help you out...
Q: Why is Paquito on the opposite side of the Map where the Lord is? (24:30)
A: The Exp Laner is trying to "Slow Push Minions" on the opposite side of the map where the Lord is. If the Opponent did not clear the "Slow Pushed Minions", eventually the minions will destroy the turret which makes a permanent damage to the opponent.
Your analysing game might apply 2-4yrs ago on Mobile Legends lol, it was so underdeveloped😂 The game has developed and so different than what your mind can analyze now Cowsep.
the roamers in ml are not supposed to be zoning the enemies, that's the job of the Exp Laners zoning (also clearing the opposite lane to pressure the lane) the enemy team cause the roamer is looking for the set to win the team fights/lord dance.
and in the early game, seconds before spawn the turtle, the roamers is in the mid lane because they need to level 4 quickly to joined the turtle fight.
Roamers can zone, too. The only thing is Butsss is always underleveled and underperforming against Flaptzy.
zoning is also a role of a roamer and it depends on the hero
i know that's also the role of a roamer but in this meta, the roamer is looking for pick-offs and the exp laners are the ones who zoning away the enemies in the neutral objectives.
@@Allelujah.Haptism it really depends bro.
depends on the hero, timing and position
9:30 kiboy actually did this in the finals in the upper bracket still vs bren which onic got a 3-0 maybe he thought he could still do it in this game but looks like apbren was prepared
the reason apbren lost is not because of kiboy tho. it's because they open the best meta assasin (nolan) to the best assasin player (kairi) all 3 games. making it very hard for them to play forcing them to make mistakes.
Cowsep have very valid points about his assesment of kiboy's tigreal. He wants to be a hero instead of doing the best for his team in soaking damage first.
@@mr.t5785 I didn't mean kiboy was the reason they won check the time I put I mean those flanking he do which bren already prepared
@@ashlucard.well technically it did win them game 1, and the person above is also right bren indeed lost because they were trying if they can fight against the Nolan pick.
Too many of your comments definitely shows you lack the fundamentals in ML. This is the reason why when you play another game, you don't compare your old game to another one
There are micro and macro plays for vision, exp, and gold leading that these teams play and practice.
Like how tigreal and ruby stayed and cleared the mid before going to the turtle to go level 4.
There's also a reason why sometimes they don't contest turtles because of the risk/reward, and rather do some trades instead of risking.
Especially for the gameplay for specific hero comps.
Especially commenting about one not going with the lord, that's because to avoid stealing turrets and split pushes. You've got to consider the amount of time it will take to take down turrets and clear waves and how long will a lord die and decide if it's worth the contest or not.
I respect you as a Lol player, but you still have to learn "how" ML is really played in high ranks.
Zoning is not as easy as you think especially if your hero is in a disadvantage. They know that forcing the zone will lead them to a failed clash.
This is what sets the difference 1000 points/mythical immortal from low pointed mythics or just random mythical glories.
Like seriously, it's not the tanks job to zone cuz they can easily be ignored, they don't even deal that much damage. Their role is to provide vision and find a perfect timing to set.
Imagine a tigreal trying to "zone" a joy, joy will either just dash on him or just go away and let his fighter deal with the tank. That'll be a disadvantage.
And also, wr have this thing in ML called the Lord dance, where either you bait the enemies to contest the lord and one will push or pressure the opposite lane, or just call for a full on clash in the lord area. It's basically baiting. And decide what to do after.
Again, this is not League, and can people just stop having the entitled aura that if you play league, you're good on other games too? It doesn't make sense fr. The heroes and skins might be a copy from league like literally but the very gameplay and game mechanics, micro and macro plays are fundamentally different.
Hahaha.. haba ah... napabasa din ako... Nice Bro.... Good one....👍😊🎄🎋🧧
Yes,also the fact that Cowsep keeps thinking that a Team fight/Clash should happen when the 2 team roams meet is just so weird
In Game 2 when Claude tries to recall he was actually going to try and defend bot lane until he realized it's good now and stopped to try help with the lord also and help during that time notice how the rest of AP Bren were at back is not due to fact they're not there to "zone" They're there to keep safe as Ruby is literally just there to Hook them once closed and Martis is "safe" in that position as his 2nd skill is a good long CC immunity and damage immunity hence him staying to keep the lord on their
On game 3 Faramis using his ult to save himself was actually a loss tho he killed the enemy he just wasted his ult for that and if I'm correct Faramis ult has approximately 60 sec CD so that is a huge lost for upcoming Clashes as AP Bren now knos thet can engage Onic without the worry of Faramis clutching with his Ult
The lord zoning and teamfight thing is what he keeps on insisting "why is it so hard for them" not all lord teamfights must be forced and rushed like you said as there are times it isnt worth contesting
You guys are taking the video way too seriously.
I never once said that League of Legends is a better game than MLBB and you're judging me for what other people say.
Just enjoy the video for what it is - a League players reaction to MLBB. You won't find that from any other creator.
@@cowsepmobilelegendsshorts8487 c'mon now, I know you know you understand what he's trying to say...
He's saying if you're playing a similar yet different game, do not act like you know better than the pros playing that specific game just because you play the other game and your knowledgeable. He has a point. They might be similar on face value but still different.
So if you do not want to be called out that way then just watch and observe and enjoy the game for what it is, no need to make "expert" comments like these pros do not know what they are doing. MLBB is not LoL and vice versa, otherwise, accept comments such as the original post...
Peace though.
16:10 you’re asking why did they stay at the middle? Both roamers were clearing the middle minionsfor them to reach Level 4 (so that they could ult) before the turtle fight and both Mages cleared the exp lane minions. In usual rotation, roamer will not reach level 4 before the turtle fight, but Pro rotations will able the roamers to reach level 4 before the 1st turtle fight
Kairi has been in there many times in M World championship (same as baloy, marky) but it is unfortunate to see him didn't get the trophy
yeah you can tell it really tore him up
m5 actually 2nd to LOL worlds this year per peak viewers... 5m for ml and 6.4m for LOL.... also ML matches took 7 spot this years peak views too.. 3 for LOL M4 last year peaked at 4m++
thats why I felt I had to watch it, its clearly very popular
mpl Indonesia's live stream reached 1 million live viewers and now 16m views
Well , of course the fanbase is from more populated countries so it would have a higher viewing but remember the number of views don't matter , the payment from a viewer from Europe or US pays more per viewer than Asia , it's relatively the same if you count that in.
@@Koldyukiwdym the number of views dont matter 😂? Why is the payment per region relevant? Im having a hard time trying to understand what point you’re tryna make 💀 talm bout some payment
@@Touchme5925 tournaments run because of sponsorship by different companies. Like how razor sponsor csgo tournaments , a company wants to advertise itself to a country with the highest rpm. In Germany you are paid 18.79$ per thousand impressions while in the Philippines it's 0.48$. rpm is based on how likely the viewer is to buy the advertised product. People in Germany spend more money on advertised products than the Philippines which is why advertisers pay more when streaming to counties like germany instead of Philippines or Indonesia.
That's why they don't really contest the lord and turtle after get spawned is because it can retri easily by the enemy and also they can use the lord and turtle for team fights. Mlbb pro players always utilize the lord and turtle more on teamfights.
Finally, it was fun watching you critique the pro scene, I dont blame you for not immediately recognizing the play’s. It really does look different in terms of how moba’s are played in the pro-scene.
In MLBB they have Lord Dance that's why it takes long and positioning each team.
16:02 the reason why valen, gord is on top is because top lane is where exp lane is. their both lvl3 when turtle just spawned, they want to reach level 4 before committing to turtle to have more advantage. meanwhile, ruby and tig is in mid because their roam and also lvl3. when you are using roam boots you will always be left behind because minions and jungle creeps exp will not be fully yours if you have nearby teammate, you see them solo on the mid no one near them so that they will get full exp in mid lane making them lvl 4 on turtle fight.
15:58 it's actually a 4 people level 4 strat
The jungler ofc level 4 because of his jungle
The exp and mage are in the exp lane because even if two people are clearing the minions you both still get the exp but ofc less gold
The roamer are the one clearing the mid lane so that they can reach level 4 and give more impact in the clash thought the problem with this if you can't last hit the minions you don't get anything similar to league
So the moment the turtle appear 4 of them are level 4
It's popular strat in pro plays or 5 man mythic games
Thats neat :) I'll keep it in mind for future games
Tp and emoji on mlbb is taunting your enemy. It can make your enemy tilted and hopes they make errors.
It can only do so much and if that would actually work on mentally-well trained pro players, if you’re still TPing to the point that you’re in a losing situation, it just makes you like a fool xD
TPing i think should just be kept at a minimum and only if you’re confident that you’re in a winning situation and mostly just be used outside of pro play
@@IsoyaYasujieven pro players saying they dont get tilted on it apparently they still do. Example is apbren or blacklist when against onic. They make too much aggressive plays which costs them the game.
In grandfinals, APBren vs Onic shouldve been 4-0. game 2 is already in apbren advantage but they make huge blunder in lord fight. You may say tp was not a factor on it but ill say it has a small factor for Apbren to make mistakes. In game 5 also it happened, they cant catch Sanz that cost them to lose.
@@IsoyaYasujiWell where's the fun taunting after the game.... It's content u know? Between UA-cam and salary, bonus as pro player UA-cam provide a much better money u know so if they're famous the yt is almost guarantee verified
He can’t understand bro he is a lol player
@@IsoyaYasujihi again😂
I’m sorry cowsep, but u really are complaining about the smallest things ever. Even though they made some mistakes, but I don’t think u should exaggerate them. After all, u are not a MLBB pro player but a lol player, and the pros know what they are doing, their micro and macro plays are insanely good.
But the "smallest things" is that's the reason they lost
@15:58 tigreal and ruby in mid because they are farming, they need to get to level 4 fast. This is a rotation of pro players where they let the roamer clear mid, while the midlaner will help the exp laner clear the exp lane so every gets to level 4 faster, supposedly before the first turtle but they failed at that
15:56 Tigreal and Ruby are clearing the mid so that they would be level 4/near level 4 at the Turtle Fight, and the Mid Laners go to Exp Lane to clear the wave with Exp Laners so that they would be level 4/near level 4 in Turtle Fight too.
I think when Kiboy hid under the top 2nd tower bush, I believe it's purpose is:
To give information on the side of APBR on what hero, where is their location and surprise them suddenly if APBR suddenly goes full on lord.
That's what I think because ONIC looked like they are trying to give vision for Kiboy himself, because if the lord's hp is starting to go down, APBR would be forced to push in and try to contest it and that is the best time for Tigreal's ult to turn the tides to their favor.
But sadly, it didn't work with APBR's great play on lowing their hp and even killing one, forcing them to just focus on defense.
But in the end, it's just my perspective and this can always be seen in many different ways but only the players involved truly knows what is their supposed plan and play. It was a great game for both and hopefully we'll see more great plays like this
1:43:50 , so in the last game you can see that kairi went in the bush which might confused the viewers, so the reason why kairi went into this bush is because they need vision for the lord. and their roamer kiboy is supposed to be the one checking the bushes but he cant because he is using a mage as a roam which is the kadita so if kadita uses his first skill for checking bushes then he's gonna be dead meat cause he cant use his ultimate to back out cause it has a casting time which is enough for apbren to stun and kill him, and their exp laner Buts should also be the one checking the bush but he also cant because as you can see here he doesnt have flicker yet and the hero terizla that Buts is using is not very well known for mobility cause terizla doesnt have any dashes or blink skills, that's why they had no choice and they send kairi to check the bushes becuase baxia has enough mobilitiy, but they didnt expect that the whole team of apbren ia camping in that area. For me the drafting was really the big factor in this game the coach of apbren forced onic to play kadita as a roam. So what happened is that kadita was pickes as the 3rd pick then after that apbre banned every hero of Sanz possible which are the mages, which then forced Onic to play kadita as a roamer cause the hero minatour or tigreal in this lineup wont work because of the knockups and stuns that the team composition of bren has, thats why instead of picking a roam, onic just decided to play kadita as a roam then picked yve as their mage.
it just hurts for me how people are talking trash of him on the internet because of just one mistake. Ever since kairi and coach yeb went to onic, team onic won 3 MPL titles in their region and people are acting like kairi never did anything for their country or team.
but overall Onic played very well, their team is really strong but it wasnt just enough this time, I hope they comeback stronger.
major objectives in mlbb usually looks like that. most of the teams having their exp managing the lanes that are away from the lord. they call it lord dance if u would notice theyll constantly reset the lord, baiting each other to make mistake or to distrupt opponets from managing the minion waves. because if you do it right u can have a slow pushing wave that will take turrets while your opponents are deciding if they should commit to the lord or clear the lanes. teams that master this tactic can have a free lord or will win a 4v5 teamfight depending on how their opponent reacts.
16:10 the reason why 2 roamers are at mid and midlaners are top is so all of them can have ult during the turtle. Roamers will clear mid alone get to level 4, midlaners will share exp with explaners to get to level 4.
thamuz main here to try and explain thamuz’ style. thamuz is one of if not THE scariest hero in laning phase. right from level 1 he is a major threat to waves turrets and heroes alike, as his kit is packed with serious true damage from his passive. late game he falls off a lot but a snowballing thamuz is still a force to be reckoned with. he’s non meta but has fast map traversal, is known as the king of 1v1, and his true damage melts tanks and squishies alike. the reason he’s non meta is because it’s quite easy to counter him (just build anti heal and he’s done pretty much) and he has extremely little cc, but his fast clear and walk speed alike makes him have very scary map pressure and a fed thamuz is one of the few heroes who can walk out of a 1v5 with near full health. his role is either tank melter / sustain monster in a teamfight or off destroying turrets in seconds if you let him split push.
OH btw, lord had an update where tanks can't just take the front hits anymore. It deals % max hp true damage. So that it wouldn't be boring for two tanks just to stand with each other on the lord. You get hit, you are low. Which is why mm lifesteal or exp sustain is better.
Hey Cowsep, the reason why you can't oneshot any of the enemy heroes during your 1st game with reworked vale was because of the Flask of Oasis by Angela.
The flask of oasis is an item usually bought by supports and tanks. It gives off an extra shield when your nearby ally is low on hp. Top it all off with the support emblem, you will be having shields for days
You used Cyclops and Lolita in opposite team, it will be a big disaster for Cyclops because all his skill are "projectiles" so Lolita can deflect all your skills except basic attack
Your Q: They are on the Top Side, what about the turtle? (41:10)
A: They wanted to trade. Turtle for a kill and maybe Orange Buff
In ml,exp laners tend to be more of the zoners alongside with the roamers but the main role of the roamers are to set during teamfights to give their team a adv
The reason why they push minions while doing lord is in order to get the enemy teams focus to defend the turrets. Turrets are everything in this game.
You make insightful things and I do agree with some of that! There is one thing in particular that is a bit different from Lol and it is that ML can easily stack creep waves by leaving one enemy tank alive vs a slightly stronger creep on your side. Doing that strategy will let multiple creep minions increase as they go to the opposing side which will push the base tower is less than 15 seconds, which is why people were always in the opposing side as well to clear them. Usually the creep who arrived the fastest in lane wins the creep stacking race, which is why enemy team will tend to clear it first so that the creep will either reset at the middle of the intersection where they usually meet or the wave will be stacking in their favor instead.
Try watch this match with an open mind, i know you're trying to be critical , but it seemed like you're just trying to nit pick things that aren't even worth nitpicking, I've heard no more than 10 things you said they did good, even though they were actually macro and micro wise really good, you just exposed yourself by not knowing mlbbbthat much, i understand you're from another game but try to be respectful, you're doing well in ur ranked games since u do ubderstand moba pretty decent, but u cant expect different games to play similarly, of course there is gonna be differences on their game play.
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You also have to understand that he's reacting with more of an LOL perspective and not as Pro ML analyst and those pro aren't always accurate too with their analysis. It's refreshing to hear a different perspective and if you listen well, I think it'll be useful to explore his calls too.
This reaction is way more respectful and tame than the other LOL players who did nothing but shi* on everything MLBB.
Why are you here nitpicking this LoL player and expecting an MLBB expert comment 😂 he already said in NA tptps and emojis are unusual since they cant handle their egos in there lol
Tbh they do seem pretty unskilled - its often the case in any area where money isnt in excess that there is major inefficienies. Even in the area I work (investments) we see it all the time in different industries. League as a game has lots of money, attracts top talents, analysts, coaches, etc... this game much less.
There's an mlbb team that was a former LOL:WR players and they are all challengers with high points, they try to incorporate lol playstyle to ml and they did horrible, That team was KBG a chinese mlbb pro team that get murked in the wildcard qualifiers.
Teamplay and strategies in mlbb is very different with lol.
yeah lol mlbb is much a strategic game and wr is skills
BRO that team is is A 2ND TEAM like MDL team of LOL WR😂
plus they just started playing mlbb you can also see they didnt master every hero so they have low hero pool and not confident about using this heroes
@@Linuslongayan they are Chinese players and lol gatekeepers always say that it's easy to adjust in ml because it was so easy, but these Chinese players, the supposedly "the best MOBA players" looked like they didn't play moba in their life with their performance in the qualifiers
@@liluujdra do you notice how many chinese people/team are TOP in HARDER MOBA games like Dota2 and LOL😂
while South East Asians Players/teams are in the bottom😂
South East Asians are only Good in Easier GAmes like Ml because they are the who started playing it way before other regions
@@Linuslongayan yeah I'm very well aware of that, as a European who likes MOBA, but some southeast Asian are really good with pc MOBA, I remember the time when my favorite dota team In my region, OG, was defeated by a SEA team called TNC.
You have to read the comments here fr, all of your "why's" are being answered.
If you wanna experience it first hand, go create your own pro team specifically from LOL too and try incorporate what you thought is applicable in ML, cuz 99% you'll see the difference and have atleast a scrim from NA pros (they're not too good but they know the fundamentals of ML specificaly). Ask MobaZane or maybe Assassin Dave there in NA, they'll tell you what's really happening.
Maybe they'll laugh at your comments.
you also have to realize mythical glory in ml is emerald in LoL, ml is significantly easier and less complicated then league.
@@phimny2153 that guy cant even hit mythical glory in NA lmao, and he's considered a "LOL pro"?
@@phimny2153nah just bring your best lol team here and see the difference, end of talk, . Remember lol and ml is differs in every aspects of the game
I'm so glad you checked out M5 ❤
Not everytime that the turtle spawns, everyone needs to be present. Split-pushing is a common but effective strategy in competitive games. Being able to destroy a few turrets on early game gives you a huge advantage to solo push on the sides. That's why late game tends to have EXP and Marksman to closely pay attention in side lanes while also trying to participate in lord fights. These games might seem not much, but trust me, it's one of the most complicated games that I have ever seen.
1:55:30 Hanabi have anti cc when she have shield. So the only way to cc her is to remove her shield or wait for it to cooldown
Kaja is her nightmare
lol I must say, I follow cows so for maybe 10ish years. When LoL was fun but quit for 5 years now. Glad he playing MLBB because I notice it got me watching his videos again.
15:40 im sure you're not aware, but they do this kind of rotation so the roamer can get to lvl 4 from mid and the midlaner will gain exp from EXP lane to get to lvl 4, in that case all of them will have their ult up when they fight for Turtle
As a gold laner, u shouldn't rotate in the early game unless ur teammates are close and u know u can get a kill or 2 out of it, u should only start to rotate after anyone of the turrets in the lane falls, the idea is that by rotating early without getting anything will make u lose ur lane to the opposing mm as u are now underfarmed and u should wait till one of the lane's turret falls either it's urs (u have less map control so u can't farm properly) or theirs (u don't want to push too deep). gold laners are usually ur main dmg source, so being underfarmed is pretty bad.
As for roam and exp, well yes they should zone, but it also depends on their kit, example is paquito is kinda like gwen (good at split pushing but bad in team fights)
As for why not everyone seem to be at lord/turtle fights is because unlike in LOL there's a pulling machanic, usually it's the job of the exp or tank to pull the objective to ur side of the map to buy time for ur team either to farm or create pressure on the other side of the map especially if ur jg is purple buff dependent, and they can reset it if needed.
As for the tp spam, it's habits for some players, but can be a legit strat to bait. Don't worry though all the teams/players respect each other outside of game for the most part, of course their were a couple of actual drama through out the years.
He is pro for sure but idt he fully understands the hero mechanics judging on how he thinks that tank shouldn't clear mid to get to lvl 4
Bro, i always wanted to see you react to championships👍🏼.
1:25:22 Pheww doing a buy and sell technique that you need to activate the winter truncheon first and sell the winter truncheon and buy the Immortality quickly as possible and you should prioritize the immortality first and 1000 gold to do that
In ph we have what we call lord dance
Where you just poke the lord so that the other team will notice it and be alerted to go there while one of your teammate will put pressure on the long lane or the opposite side of the lord
You will reset the lord as long as you don't have a number advantage or skill advantage(cooldowns)
When the enemy clears the long lane or have used a vital ult that's the signal to try and get the lord
It's nothing new with league of legends tho. There's dragon dance and baron dance
@@dalerekims3827but it's not like MLBB Lord Dance where we delay and often reset it and macro the enemy
@@yuijin1770 if you watch league pro scene you'll know.. it's not really same in terms of laning(map is bigger so top/mid laners have to use teleport) but the goal is the same, to contest lord/baron/dragon. Team fight also happens during those dances but not long like lord dance in ml because players have to take positions and vision
@@yuijin1770 if you want sources just search, SKT doing baron dance... It's 6 years ago so it's really not new
@@yuijin1770 you can also analyze their positions if you think it's not similar to mobile legends
You have to know that in ML roamers have to get as much information as possible by ROAMING. And the Gold laner, namely the marksman, has to farm as much as possible because their damage in the early game is not that high. After they get 3 items, then they will join the team fight.
The simple answer for your question in 16:07 is that they're trying to reach level 4, by the roamers clearing the mid and the mages going to the exp lane , thay are guaranteed to reach level 4 and have and advantage for the turtle fight. Cowsep look at their level before and after they clear the lanes and right before the turtle contest.
I think you are right most of your points. While their mindset does work but what you point out is actually a better decision
I think tigreal is only protecting the backlines in 27:20 because they know onic is just baiting and will try to go in their backlines, it's just he got a very bad position.
In mlbb, baiting in Lord contests is a very common thing because its very risky to contest it on a 50|50 situation, and because of that most teams will try to give themselves on advantage in that situation
To understand what happended, ruby made a set, the other redircted their attention for the kills, because after the set, it's a 5v4 situation
If the lord kr turtle is up but youre pretty far away, we usually stay in our lane to make push if the jungler misses retri so it becomes an even trade. 1 Turtle, and 1-2 broken turrets
Damn I'm glad you noticed the gap Indo players blames kairi for the lost saying he's "impostor" cuz he's a filipino import but it's very clear that it's a very big exp gap
Kairi choked when it matters the most he had the worst game 7 anyone has ever since
@@darrenlingling1023 he keeps getting invaded and when he died in that last teamfight the team just crumbles instead of retreating
@@jejesrighthand4345 yea but we could blame kiboy and sanz for game 7 performance too they didn't back up kairi well but daum did kairi choke his retri so hard
@@darrenlingling1023 the pressure is too much plus they got outdrafted
@@jejesrighthand4345 true kiboys Chou pick and kaja earlier cost them game 2 and 3
The ruby went cleared mid so that she would be able to unlock her ulti before the turtle and the Gord went to exp lane so that Gord and terizla could share exp and also unlock their ultimates
also great video 👍 i could definitely understand where ur coming from
16:00 since both of them are alone without laners they will get the gold and exp from minions, both Tig and Ruby's Ult CC's are massive, this move is done when mid laners reach level 4 quickly and this way they can help the jungler fight for turtle.
when they know that they cant fight/contest on the objectives(turtle/lord), they just try to find trades from around the map, like split pushing or killing enemy marksman
During lord dance it is not just about securing the lord. Priority is always decreasing the numbers so team has more advantag. But then, mistakes happen, things don't always go as planned.
Its, poke, poke, poke, weaken enemy.
Tank or team members not engaging in lord dance is just to keep away from poke and then there's the advantage of enemy not knowing who is where, of course one can predict which area enemy is hiding but who's hiding where.
Turrets in mlbb are so squishy a single minion wave can decimate your team in mid-late game if left unattended
The understanding of the game between pro teams and high rank players is VERY different.
In ranked games, the draft is flat. People throw if you dont play the meta game they prefer.
In professional games, they leave metagame heros open to trade for other heros they want.
pros also generally know how to capitalize on engages better than ranked players, hence why Tigreal is better in the team setting as they set the team's positions up.
why do tanks like Tigreal hide? because they are play making roams that want to catch a full team, sadly its quite a miss draft for Onic vs Mathilda as players play split up
Healers are better in solo queue as they require less coordination, mainly sticking with the ADC for the most part of most games, unless your team can capitalize on other positions of the map.
Overall, utility is better for pros, but raw stats are better in ranked.
Ty po😊
in ml when its alr lategame, depending on your hero (mm, lunox, other hp based heroes) you could potentially take the lord solo, and the enemies are either not near the lord, or your team is blocking the enemy. its quite common here in epic-legend. and if there is no possible way for your team to get the lord, then its best to just leave it and take theyr buffs instead, which was displayed by kairi in a part of the video (i forgot where timestamp)
Broo, try watching the M4 Grand Finals, a really cool Grand Finals despite being a short series
one thing also about the TPing and bm, its more frequent considering the PH and Indo rivalry
Because of the utility/tank Jungle meta Jungler and EXP laner often holds the Lord/Turtle because Tank Jungler are tanky they can front and take the Lord damage and the Roam/Gold/Mid are in position in case of team fights they're ready, we called the Lord Dance
The reason kairi can't play carry heroes is the drafting phase
Another thing that is not mentioned often in MLBB plays especially pro play, which is that generally there are 2 types of fights: one is team-oriented where usually the team moves together to gank or take objectives and the other is the pickoff or split push strat which focusing more on camping in bushes to pick off some enemy heroes before the big fight starts or when they pick someone to defend the lane, or just plain split pushing when the others are getting turtle/lord.
In general Onic was playing pickoff strat more while APBR was playing more team oriented fights especially in the first 3 games. That’s why it might seem like Onic is not focusing on early turtle fights or they are all over the place when lord/turtle was first spawned. But that’s part of the pickoff/split push strat. Regardless I think Onic didn’t execute it as well as they thought they could, and so it’ll look like the team was throwing especially in the first 3 games 😢😂
the reason why are they not in the lord is a setup,
in ML wave management is crucial role,
They wanted to make sure that if the lords has been taken, all the sides has minion waves to back it up,
Also if so happens that the lord was taken by the opponent they have a side pushed so that they will have a time defending the lord
please don't compare rank games and pro play they are worlds apart 😂
I appreciate your content, bro. More power
I'm a Roam Player in ML. I usually go to mid first to get my Ulti then I help my MM. As a Roam, we have to look at the map all the time. No matter what, we need to split lane push as well to even out our odds on pushing towards the enemy base. For me as a Roam, I prefer to take control of the flow of the team. I expect the Hyper to be Selfish, not help the Team, focus on Farming then observe the map and take a decisive and smart decision to kill and get stacked. They don't support the team but they help the team by being stacked and taking a decisive and smart decision to attack at the opportunistic moments. So early game, I'd help to take down Hyper farm in case of any invasion from the Enemy team because it'd be bad if the hyper is disturbed or delayed. I then go to mid, stay there until I'm lvl 4 then go to my mm. For turtle, we have to compete for the first turtle because whoever takes the first turtle will be in an advantage. We don't necessarily compete the turtle every time. Sometimes, I tell my team to retreat and let them have it while my hyper goes and take their jungle.
However in the event of us being pushed back, I'll tell my team to defend our base and not attack. As a Roam, have to defend the MM but in the case of the MM becoming an idiot(Literally happens a lot during Ranked, I wonder how they even got into Mythic. That's why I rarely play Solo) and wants to go in front every time and feed the enemy, I'd just give up and follow hyper HAHAHAHA. I'll initiate the attack when I see the enemy making an opening or mistake in their moves so the others will follow suit. Dying in Late Game is the worst as there is a long delay for respawn so I always tell my team to wait for late game, don't rush.
ML is fast paced so there is no time to stop and think. Have to move and think on the spot.
For EXP, I don't expect anything from EXP, they just have to not die and look at the map.
For MID, they just have to farm the minions, go to top lane or bottom lane to support. Otherwise make a decisive move depending on how they see the map.
Everyone has a job to do except for Hyper. Look at the Map. While Hyper be selfish and farm cause that's how important the Hyper is in the game.
Marksman don’t fight in teams early, they need to get gold because marksman also carries the game. Gold laners must be safe because they are damage dealers
If ur being annoyed with the tp strat then it's working 😂
the thing is in the first turtle you will notice that even the roams have ulti which is the result of a certain rotation before the first turtle mages goes to exp and clear with the exp laner that will give them enough exp for level 4 and because roamer doesnt gain gold when there is a teammate nearby he clears midlane alone also filipinos are known for not participating on a losing fight in the early game also first lord is only used to destroy second tier towers thats why when there are losing theyll look for trade like turtle for buffs lord for turrets thats how they can get back to the game without risking wipeout
I suggest you watch Betosky's breakdown on the M5 Grand Finals. It will help answer your questions about both teams. Cheers!
You are awesome Cowsep, love your analysis.
If you see a tank using as a wards, yeah that is the one purpose but in mobile legends if they are other presence of a hero to the jungle monster it will become more hard to farm. It will have damage reduction. So the roam actually delaying the opponent to farm.
I’m only 40 mins into the video. And I feel like you have a different opinion coming from LOL. The gameplay here is the opposite of solo play. For instance in the 2nd turtle fight, onic didn’t want to engage because apbr has a better early game draft. If it was a 5v5 APBR will win easily. Also trutle doesn’t give a huge advantage in mlbb. They can easily offset the lead by counter jungling. You can see kairi stealing enemy buff and side laners trying to push as the enemy are grouped up in lord. At the same time the onic roamer, Ruby is trying to buy her teammates time staying near turtle. And in the lord , you don’t just take the it when it spawns. They set up for lord by pushing the minions. And when the lord spawned, kairi is not farming top lane. He is pushing the minions so the one of the enemy is forced to defend it. If they don’t and stay in lord fight, they will lose their inhibitor tower. And kairi can easily rotate to the lord fight as joy is very mobile. APBR notices this and sends paquito to intercept onic minions. Again paquito is also mobile. During the first lord fight, APBR was not trying to take the lord but rather were baiting onic. That is why the team mates spread out and would have engaged if onic tried to go for the lord. But here onic went for the spread out teammates instead of lord, forcing Martis to leave lord and defend his teammates. Against an early game comp you have to take it to late game and avoid fights early even if you have a gold lead. Onic did this is 2 game. They pushed it to 20+ mins and martis is useless now while Claude and joy are monsters. If you watch again, you will notice ApBR trying to create teamfights early (baiting lord and turtle) while onic were focused only on farming. Also the roamers don’t essentially have to initiate fights, they are expected to be play makers. Kiboy tried so hard for this in the 1st game but failed. The semifinal was between onic and apbr as well. In one of the games there onic was losing badly and one 5man ult for kiboy with tigreal led to wipeout and onic won before they respawned. He was trying so hard to recreate that in 1st game.
i mean theres a lot of input from players mentioning things I didn't think about such as timings for levels and what not.
Its just different from LoL but I think its nice to give some input from the LoL side of things.
Ain't hating on them, pros do pro things :)
@@cowsepmobilelegendsshorts8487played wildrift for 30 days and got challenger with no experience of playing LoL, the difference is lol players solo plays ml player more on team fights and tactics
Tp tp means is teasing someone or provoking theme to be not able to focus in game
Kiboy with Tig hiding in the bush and not engaging is because hes waiting for the exact best moment to enter, because with 4.5 gold diff, he will be burst down easily, and bren is clearly zoning every onic hero in their vision making sure they are low in hp so they will hesitate to commit.
As a roamer myself zoning isn't the most important thing you need to do, its to get information on where all of them are while hiding and provide a perfect set to turn the tables around and if you try zoning or you as a roamer show yourself in the map the opponent will think of 2 things, first is to burst you down because without you the enemy can roam freely in the map and second is to avoid your path cause if they see you in the map far from the dmg dealer which is the marksman and mage they would have the opportunity to go around the roam and targrt the dmg dealers, so hiding and geting info it the best move for the roamer because 1 perfect set can change the whole game😅
So what you just pointed out was the mistake of the teamates not following up
So much to learn bro, watched your journeys playing mlbb and I just wanna say that ranked games were to far from tournament games
One detail to take into account is that kairi became so known in M4 that in M5 teams took extra caution banning his best heroes was a priority
42:20 Tptp is life in Mobile Legends my friends😌
Mobile legends is fast, gaining items is faster than league so the priority is mainly gold first, its really not that worth it to miss a creep wave to go to the turtle especially when youre behind. So the teams' support will just try to steal it sometimes with their jungler. It's just so much easier than league, bc u just have to clear lanes, and gain exp faster than ur opponent to have higher chance on taking turtles and lord or killing enemies.
The tank is providing vision btw
When the first tutle spawn mid lane go to the exp lane to get to level 4 and the roamer clear mid to get to level 4 too so when the turtle arrives all the hero except marksmen have their ult
When you see players out of position it is because they are clearing the waves to prevent the waves crashing into the tower.
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In ml xp lane and jungler are the one who zone they're vision and giving information to the tank and also when turtle spawn someone need to start immediately to pull it on your side so when your team and jungler are not ready you can reset it you can also apply that on lord
Nice to see u watching the m5 and playing moba cowsep. Wish u were here in US.
Waiting for your new ml video Cowsep :(
What a good analyzes cowsep, even there's so many different between ML and LoL at gameplay and strategy but moba is still moba
We both learn and still (even a pro players) and don't mind about negative comment or the "elites" one, Hope you still post about MLBB oftenly in future
Or invite another LoL players to taste ML 😂