The Russian emperor's were great to Ukraine. Even my own population who got annexed to Russian empire by force, we liked the Tsar's because they were good and generous to us, and allowed us Freedom, unlike the communists Putin's regime is a legacy of the soviet communist regime, not of the Russian empire. It's statues of Lenin and other communist animals that need to be removed
@@hellgates_javed6451 Correction: Russian-speaking Ukrainians. After the war is over, they'll feel disgusted speaking the language of the foreign aggressor and many will want to switch to Ukrainian. Language is easy to learn.
@@nicotri9722 what are you talking about. People will always try to speak a Native language especially if you speak worlds most beatiful language. Its like Italians would now say they will speak French for political reasons , of course they will speak Italian. All songs verses jokes they know in Native language .
@Test This look into Stalin & USSR collaboration with the Nazis, August 1939 Molotov-von Ribbentrop Soviet-Nazi pact. Moskal sources are dishonest and Vladolf Pootinazi passed a law against the true history. When your leader is running a fascist ethno-nationalist regime, copying Hitler with openly genocidal war aims and your state media openly brags about genocidal acts, you have no right to point fingers. The true Nazis are in power in the Kremlin!
@@supercarakita1148 Cesar is too mobile, the Russians claim Himars kills but they are actually spending a lot of effort to destroy wooden dummy models.
@@supercarakita1148 that troll is a typical kepzat making threats. They don't like Cesar .. mobility, range and accuracy. [ Kremlin liars make empty threats and claims ]
In all honesty, as a native Odessan, I used to like this statue, would walk pass by it frequently. But when I started hearing russians say that Odessa is a russian city because it was built by Katherine II, and that we must keep the statue, or that we don’t have a right to demolish it, I understood the danger of keeping it in our city. I am happy that it is being removed! Slava Ukraini and shame on the russian occupants!
Sad that you need to remove a monument to keep people from abusing it. The fact that Russia is using it as some kind of political pawn makes it too dangerous to keep in its current state. I personally detest when people destroy statues, but I can see the need in this case.
Yeah that hardly makes it a "historical landmark". More like Russia marking its territory. They just ran a genealogy report on my family and it says I'm descended from CtG. But then I assume most of the people in Europe are too, because I'm not Ukrainian nor Russian. Either that or they just pepper famous people in there so you don't feel cheated when you find out all your ancestors were peasants, slaves, criminals, lepers, etc. "You're descended from Nigel the Leper of Glanth. He infected half the town." But assuming it's true and I have 1/20000000000 % blood of CtG, I still don't have a problem with them moving the statue out of the public view. Or if it comes down to it, destroying the statue. Whatever. A statue erected in 2007 hardly gives Russia the right to invade. As the inheritor and heir of the Catherine the Great dynasty (sure why not?) I hereby give my consent to remove the statue. Putin can go suck a lemon.
@Mephisto but even “really historical” can be erected by the russian empire, which trying to enslave ukrainians and committed genocide for several centuries.
That's why Ukrainians offered russians to exchange that monument for a Herson racoon they kidnapped while fleeing the city. Very enticing offer for russians.
A 2007 statue erection is likely to be a tainted part of the recent politics. In 2004 Putin poisoned a Ukrainian presidential candidate in favour of the later puppet Yanukovych who later fled in 2013.
She was a tyrant. She opressed Ukrainians. She divided Poland. She used polish Throne as a toilet seat. Btw, she wasn't even russian. She was 100% german. Why would Ukraine keep that ugly old b..ch in their city centre?
@@n.b.380 it's part of the region's history. You don't erase history just because she was a tyrant. That is exactly what Russia is trying to do to Ukraine, erase its history. Just like Hitler, Stalin or any tyrant, there is something to learn from it for future generations. Don't leave it in a place of reverence, put it in a museum and describe the history surrounding it/her.
@@SPSteve Ukraine has a rich history. Maybe, we should also put monuments to Genghis khan, Hitler, Stalin? They are part of our cultural heritage. Should we?
@Charlatan yes, today. But she/it is part of the region's history and should not be destroyed. Years from now Ukrainian's will want to know the nation's history and even if she was a tyrant she is part of the history. In the USA people have destroyed Civil War Confederate statues and monuments. This is short sighted. Even if it is part of an unpleasant past it should not be destroyed. It can be learned from.
When one leaves an abusive relationship one does tend to get rid of as many symbols as possible that are reminders of the horrors, pain and torture one endured. Then healing can progress easier and faster.
You're so clueless. They're taking down the statues of Katherine and Pushkin and erect the statues of the mass murderers and rapists like Petlyura and Bandera. .
Abusive relationship? LOL Worry about what the police are doing to your people in America. We had enough of Americans fighting until the last Ukranian. You have your own problems there, focus on your own.
Oh really? What that has to do with anything? What behaviour? Has Russian been needlessly invading dozens of countries all over the world? Sounds like good ol us of a 😂
@@rog69 yes exactly what russia do. And right now is shouting threats to the whole world from zombieTV. russian kids dont know how many war russia start at least since 1991?
@@Sleepyphoenix Ukraine operation is literally one country. No other invasions took place. What threats? Didn’t hear any threats. It’s not like the rest of the world watches russian tv lmao.
Bad news.. Till last ukramiam right ..? As long they fall is fine! Can’t wait real numbers to fall 🥰 maybe could make some colonies there?😋 can’t wait for it ..😋
Better to remove and destroy. A history that remembered the bad past and it make stress your mind. If they decide to remove their choice. History can't save the people only God.
@@theAverageJoe25 history must never be destroyed. That is how people learn. And I know there is no Hitler statue because Germany is trying to erase the atrocities of the holocaust..we know that white German kids and teenagers do not know what Hitler did to the Jews.
Personally, I don't mind statues and monuments even if they are part of an uncomfortable history or occupation, but I also understand why people would want them removed. Here in Finland Soviet monuments (tokens of "friendship") and statues of Lenin have recently been removed. Emperor Alexander II has a statue in a very central location in Helsinki and there are many streets named after him. To be fair, he was seen as the "good" Emperor in comparison to Nicholas II. There are also plenty of statues for Swedish rulers who were equally occupiers on our land.
They become politically charged when a state uses past empire as a justification for revanchism. The legal definition for genocide has been met and the intent was stated in Vladolf Putin's war aims. I think we BOTH know why Vladolf chose Ukraine and not Finland for his Make Moscow Great Again agenda.
@@RobBCactive Indeed. Like I said, I understand why people want them gone. I still personally don't think it's necessary, but I'm also not against removing statues.
@@Silveirias a 2007 statue erected after the Orange revolution and the 2004 poisoning of a Ukrainian presidential candidate with dioxin seems more political than a historic monument. The invasions were prepared by Russian oligarch money and corruption.
@@RobBCactive I really don't personally care how political or non-political a statue is. Not sure what your point here even is, nor do I particularly care. If the majority of the Odesa residents want the statue gone, they should probably remove or relocate it.
@@Silveirias my point is recent political symbolic gestures are less likely to be museum worthy. Your examples in Finland are from the 19th century when the Swedish empire had lost not independent Finland. That is a significant difference, museums cost money to run, some things are best recycled.
Not all historical figures should be "in one's face" in an outdoor venue. Some should be relegated to museums. This is one; the number of historical figures who were overwhelmingly positive for a people is far smaller than the number of outdoor statues that exist.
There is nothing wrong with moving statues it is not revising history. They are supposed to be important monuments that people care about today, not people from the distant past that are either disliked or people are ambivalent to (unless it is really attractive or a great famous sculpture) They are the ornaments an a countries mantelpiece you are allowed to rearrange them. Use the spot for something most people actually want it is a nice position. Whoever did that boarding around it did a cracking job it is very tidy.
@@Glostahdude stfu silva ur out of ur element, too much ukie propaganda and look at u 😂 such an ukie ally now are we? Tell me how much u care about ukranians 😂. Conquerer? She founded the city u nonce.
The original monument was destroyed by the Soviet Union, like most of the monuments to Russian monarchs in post-Soviet countries. Only a few original monuments survived, because they were architectural heritage, such as the monument to Peter 1 (the Bronze Horseman on Senate Square), Nicholas 1 (on Isaac Square) and Alexander 1 (Alexander Column on the palace square). The original monument to Catherine was erected in 1900, and its fake in 2007. This was only 15 years ago.
“Founder of Odesa” is also skewing history and gives false impression. She occupied the territory in 1791 and renamed the settlements, not really “founded”(as if nothing was there).
Replacement statue ideas: - Statue to St. Javelin - Statue to Ukrainian soldiers and/or civilians - Statue to Cossack Mamay - Statue to Taras Shevchenko - Statue to me! The engraving could say "Cheer up. Even a loser like me got a statue of myself." making life better for all other people when they figure out that I'm some nobody.
Everything is better than having a statue of someone who committed genocide against ukrainians, and the pro-russian authorities decided to erect a statue of the "founder"
This report is filled with inaccuracies. She did not establish the city of Odessa she just renamed it. She destroyed Zaporizhian Sich the stronghold of Ukrainian independence and executed many local civilians . She is basically like a stalin figure in Ukraine.
Those are complete lies. What a piece of 💩 of a Human you are, making up lies to defame someone who was much greater than you. Typical subhuman communist behavior. are you one?
it can be replaced by any of the thousands of heroes who gave their lives for Ukraine in this war starting with the Snake Island soldier and the soldier who gave his life to blow up the bridge manually at the beginning of the war
Very understandable to put the statue somewhere else…a museum is a good choice…part of history…but…out of place in a public square today. Slava Ukraine!! 🇺🇦🇺🇦
Well it was made in 2007 so I guess it would not a big loss if it was destroyed as if it was the original from 1900 which was destroyed by the Soviets. But moving it to a museum is the best way nevertheless.
There have been so many heroic moments with Ukrainians of all ages, genders and professions, both civilian and military, in which had committed acts of utmost heroism and selflessness during the ongoing war, there is surely more than enough subjects for monuments by now, and one of them should definitely replace the statue of the Russian tyrant in Odesa.
"Mantian H respondeu ao comentário de TB As War Rages In Ukraine, Odesa Votes To Remove Statue Of Russian Empress Catherine II Mantian H Remembering and honoring are not the same. Moving it to a museum wouldn’t be a sign of Russophobia, just an indication that this is part of history, and not something they want to celebrate everyday"
russophobia this is a logical consequence of what Moscow has been doing with Ukrainians for centuries. The Baltic countries also do not like Russians, because they have always been as they are now, and their leaders has always been the same monsters like now.
WAIT AND SEE IF IS MY IDEA IT IS RIGHT russofobia is INSIDE russia because WHY some son's of political like the son of PESCADA-MARMOTA dimitri pescov or the russian embassador in london the son only because is married CAN Go into UKRAINE? ? WHY ONLY men's with less studies, no university and IGNORANTS THAT ARE POOR, DUMMIES, TREAT AS OBJECTS AND MACHINES and throw in a FIGHT I BET THAT IS NOT their fight? ? THAT FOR ME IS SLAVERY AND RACISM, XENOPHOBIA AGAINST POOR AND MISERABLE russian people too! ! I SAY THAT THERE RUSSOPHOBIA from politics-oligarcs and rich and with some studies AGAINST POOR, MISERABLES without no studies in russia. ...SO RUSSOPHOBIA INSIDE russia EXISTS TOO! ! AND DON'T TRY TO critize me MONSTERS-CADELAS-putin's BECAUSE ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUE! !!
Happy to see Ukrainians and their artists still at work in these times. None of my business really, but I like the idea of putting it away, maybe they can sell it sometime later or whatever, but to destroy it is an insult to the sculptor who made it.
How Katherine killed Ukrainians, what is that? This monument was erected by the pro-russian authorities, who trying imposed the narrative to residents of the city, that Odesa is part of Russia.
Handle Russian "Art" like germany handles Nazi-Stuff: Put it out of sight and make sure that everyone who sees it gets the context first and knows whos the victim and who the perpetrator.
A new park with that statue plus statues of all the invaders of Ukraine throughout history; the Scythians, the Greeks, the Vikings, the Mongols, the Turks, the Ruthenians, the Nazis, and the Soviets… and most recently, Putin! Call it “A Monument to Ukrainian Persistance”… but in Ukrainian, of course. Maybe on/near Zaporizzian Sich island in the Dnipro?
With the noose and executioner's hood on it? It was erected only in 2007, that's after the 2004 dioxin poisoning of the Ukrainian presidential candidate standing against Putin's puppet candidate who has collaborated in the Donbas this year.
@@indubitably1417 she didn't. It was a city and port throughout history, but after many wars there only fortress was left, without lots of population. New Muscovian government only acted as any administration under stable circumstances would act - invested in turning it into functioning trade center anew.
There was an Ottoman fort, but the Athenians had traded with the region obtaining wheat in antiquity. When empires conquer they set a year 0 and dismiss the past. The founding was only 1795, younger than the USA, whereas the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth for example had ruled the area centuries before the Moskals showed up. That's a problem with using history in politics and making simplistic claims.
I’m pretty sure the ancient Greek settlement would have been long gone by the the time the Imperial Russians took over the area, also the fort doesn’t really count as a city now does it.
I could understand if the argument wasn’t that Catherine wasn’t the founder because there were because there were settlements that predated Russian arrival, if that were the case, then people wouldn’t claim Mexico City was founded by Cortes.
After this IS over I think they should really be embraced by Europe and become a free and wealthy country. This Episode Will be remembered as the beginning of the fall of Rússia. Ukraine post war Will be a model for other republics that Will certainly spin off of Russian Control.
The whole Brotherhood been Ukraine and Russia has ended, so has any tolerance for monuments to Russian historical figures in Ukraine. Best off melting this eye sore down.
@@SwitchTF2 More useful to melt it down for use as bullets or shrapnel, that way Ukraine can send it back to RuZZia piecemeal and thus make "new history".
@@willaxesawian9242 I saw the video, got problem with subtitles. Russia and Ukraines history aint so well knowned everywhere. Only know that we invaded Ukraines once up in time.
as a russian, i totally understand this decision even if the citizens were to destroy the statue, that would be understandable too: it's their land and property after all also quite surprising to see peolpe who'd prefer to keep the statue!
A statue is not history... but such statues are political statements. Moving a statue is not 'revising history.' Moreover, it's no great work of art... it's from 2007. If people don't like it being relocated... move to Russia.
I repeat- I put a curse on everyone who dares to touch the monument. Idiotic decisions should have consequences! Odessa is clan Lyulkin and I did NOT give my permission.
I mean...saying she was one of the "best" leaders of Russia gives her a very low bar to meet. It's not like Imperial Russia was overflowing with excellent monarchs.
As long as it's being put into a museum instead of being destroyed, then I think it should be fine. Erasing one's history, on the other hand, is a mistake.
You forgot about jews. Odessa was (and still is) the most Jewish city of Ukraine. In 1970-th and in 1990-th a lot of jews migrated to Israel and US, but still Odessa is a hometown for many of them
There are 'offensive' statues of occupiers, tyrants, slave owners and colonialists in every country. I can understand the points of view from both sides. For me, the only solution is to build museums of statuary, where they can be relocated from prominent public display and their historical relevance can be critically explained, appreciated and put into a modern context. Rather that, than being demolished or stored in some darkened warehouse. If it's some heinous individual, perhaps his or her role in history should be preserved and explained for future generations, rather than being erased. Having those statues displayed at ground level, so they can be looked in the eye, so to speak. I'd find it interesting anyhow.
@@1ndragunawan thank you for your reply. I googled " Catherine the great death horse" (like I would any subject) when I get similar results from 3 reputable sources, I trust them. I have no doubt that she earned 200+ year old animosity that typifies the petty Rus tyrant. All the best regards to you 🙏 Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦👍🇷🇺👎
I live in Canada and studied Sociology in university. I tried to debunk the legend as some kind of historical myth. I failed. Russian sources and documentation, British documents, and other sources all alluded to the very disturbing (but fitting for today's Liberalism) fact that K the G definitely had thing for the stables, and liked them "big". Just a "bit" demented.
I read that Yekaterina died on the toilet trying to have a bowel movement, straining and increasing the pressure on her internal organs causing either a heart attack or stroke. It is medical fact that this can happen in patients who are vulnerable medically. I like the horse story better and she was known for having many men service her, but I doubt the horse story's veracity. Sorry.
her marriage was ILLEGAL AND she MURDER with one of many lover's she had (men's and women's ....she was BISSEXUAL. ..both sides), the czar that ILLEGALY support her!!! THE REAL wife of that czar was MURDER!!! BUT the czar WAS LUNATIC, A MONSTER TOO! !! ALL THAT ENVOLVE russian HISTORY are COMPLETELY FULL OF MADNESS, LUNATICS, BIG HUGE MENTAL ISSUES AND MANY HORRIBLE THINGS ARE ERASE AND. HIDE IN PAST FROM HISTORIC BOOKS!!
@@magdagama8779 Think of the minds of those who rule our national leaders. Those who have power over presidents, prime ministers, and kings. Think of the insanity. Think of the insanity of the mind that charges off to kill others that it does not know and in other lands because it fears what it's leaders will do to it. That truely mind is neurotic and psychopathic.
Just like removing statues of slavers, this is not revision of denial of history, but rebalancing away from glorifying these people. Teir statues can be displayed elsewhere, with context to explain how problematical they are.
Catherine was hated by the beurocracy and oligarchy but she wasn't really viewed as a bad ruler. Her legacy was education, the opening of the mind, and overall the soft dream while reaching for the sky
Destroying history tou don't like doesn't always go the way you think either. All you have to do is ask the book burning states happened in the 1700s, and then repeat the question in a cataloging one then compare their health today
Problematic for certain people is just another point of view. Just like hate speech they call it now just depends on my view vs someone else's view.. nobody's view is wrong or right it's just your opinion or it's just my opinion and that's a problem these days only one side is allowed to have opinions....
We who love history can relate to the dismantling or destruction of historical statues and monuments. It will never erase the history as long as someone is alive to speak of it. At this time, the best place for it is the museum, at least there it will be preserved and safe.
It is not about history, it is about russian propaganda. Ukraine used to have tens of thousands statues of Lenin. And funny thing is that Lenin didn't even visit Ukraine at least once during all his life. At the same time Ukraine have a lot of local historical figures who didn't have its monuments cause they didn't fit into russian and soviet imperialistic propaganda.
katherine the GREAT IN SLAVERY, COLIONALISM, MURDERS, HAVE LOTS OF BIXESSexual partners him's and her's. ...IF someone SAID THE TRUTH. ...BYE-BYE LIFE. ....AND IF THAT is katherine the czar. ....AMEN!! THAT MONSTER WAS A MONSTER. ..AND SHE KNOWED AND ADMITTED THAT! !!
Katharina II. was a well educated German. Catherine II was born in Stettin in 1729 as Princess Sophie Auguste Friederike von Anhalt-Zerbst (usually called Sophie or Sophia von Anhalt-Zerbst in the literature). She was a daughter of Prince Christian August von Anhalt-Zerbst from the Ascanian family, the Prussian general and governor of Stettin at the time, and his wife Johanna Elisabeth von Holstein-Gottorf, the younger sister of Adolf Friedrich, who became King of Sweden in 1751. Thus Katharina was a relative of the new Swedish dynasty of Holstein-Gottorf. She spent her childhood in the Szczecin Castle, interrupted by visits to her relatives, e.g. in Brunswick, Zerbst, Berlin and Varel. In 1739 she stayed in Eutin Castle, where she met her future husband for the first time.[3] After the death of Johann August von Anhalt-Zerbst and the resulting assumption of power by her father Christian August in 1742, the family moved to Zerbst Castle in December 1742. In 1743, Russian Empress Elisabeth Petrovna, on the advice of Frederick II,[4] decided that her successor, the Russian heir to the throne, Grand Duke Peter Fedorovich and later Emperor Peter III, the first emperor from the Romanow-Holstein-Gottorp dynasty, which reigned until 1917, with Sophie, his Second cousin to marry. In January 1744, Sophie's journey began from Zerbst to Russia via Berlin, where she visited Frederick II, Reval and Saint Petersburg to Moscow, where she arrived in February 1744. With ambition and determination, the talented fourteen-year-old quickly learned the Russian language and tried to integrate at court. At the same time, she was instructed in the orthodox faith, because she saw the change of faith as a necessary step on her way. Her father, a devout Lutheran, opposed the conversion. On June 28th. / July 9, 1744greg. Sophie was accepted into the Russian Orthodox Church. This was associated with the change of name, Sophie became Ekaterina Alexejewna (Russian Екатерина Алексеевна) - the reigning Empress Elisabeth had chosen the name Katharina in memory of her mother Catherine I. On the same day Katharina was elevated to Grand Duchess.[5] The engagement took place on June 29th. / July 10, 1744greg. held and on August 21st. / September 1, 1745 greg.[6] was the wedding. The wedding festivities lasted ten days. The marriage was not harmonious. Already on the wedding night it became clear that the Grand Duke felt little interest or affection for Catherine: while she was waiting for him in the bedchamber, he came back drunk from his party late at night. Catherine as Grand Duchess (painting by Alexei Antropov, 1760) Grand Duchess Katharina was a lively and intelligent woman. She liked to play music and read a lot, turning increasingly to historical and political-theoretical works (Montesquieu, Voltaire) in order to sharpen her understanding of politics and to prepare for her role as co-ruler. Above all, she was always informed about what was happening at court. She attended every service and took part in religious life. Meanwhile, Grand Duke Peter created his own world in Oranienbaum (today's Lomonossow) and cultivated his fondness for everything Prussian, especially the military.[3]
Who else thinks that it should be replaced with a statue of a fallen unknown Ukrainian soldier who gave his life defending his mother land and his people. Slava ukraini 🇺🇦
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess wow that's a grate way to show respect to the young men and woman defending your life while your sat in your warm house or your silly little flat safe btw typing a stupid comment like you know what your on about. Do us all a favour and just keep your absolutely disgusting disrespectful comments to your self especially when they are dying in the thousands in conditions you couldn't even think of think about that while your tucked up safe at night. No one agrees with this war but if Russia and its fascists regime didn't invade and start to plunder rape and murder we would all be fine wouldn't we there would be no war there. Stupid little girl
And what's unknown to many: even before Russia conquered those lands, there were many Ukrainians living in 'Crimean Tatar' lands. Also many Tatars lived amongst/as Cossacks. There weren't Nations back than. Ukrainians/Cossacks spoke Tatar often until the 19th centuries and Tatars Ukrainian/Russian even before the Russian conquest. That's why the Cossacks/Ukrainians even allied themselves often with the Tatars, sometimes against Russia. So I'm totally in favour of the removal of the statue and it's relocation. Because those lands were in a way 'Ukrainian' even before the Russian conquest.
I am well aware of the suffering of the Ukrainian people and totally support Ukraine in its fight to expell the invaders. But history is complex, and I think we have to live up to it. Even if Ukraine long went past of Katherine II, she is nevertheless a part of Ukrainian history. Maybe not a part that you should love nowadays, but a part indeed. I do not believe in cancel culture, I think it is a childish thing to think that something can be erased from existence by mental exhile. I think future generations of Ukrainians, proud of their country, will have no trouble in relating to Ketherine, understanding that she was a part of their making
Similar controversy over Confederate monuments here. It belongs in a museum setting. You don't see fascist monuments in modern Germany for the same reasons.
I am sure that there are heroes from Odessa that could be honored in that space.
The Russian emperor's were great to Ukraine. Even my own population who got annexed to Russian empire by force, we liked the Tsar's because they were good and generous to us, and allowed us Freedom, unlike the communists
Putin's regime is a legacy of the soviet communist regime, not of the Russian empire.
It's statues of Lenin and other communist animals that need to be removed
That are russian 🙂
@@hellgates_javed6451 Correction: Russian-speaking Ukrainians. After the war is over, they'll feel disgusted speaking the language of the foreign aggressor and many will want to switch to Ukrainian. Language is easy to learn.
@@nicotri9722 what are you talking about. People will always try to speak a Native language especially if you speak worlds most beatiful language. Its like Italians would now say they will speak French for political reasons , of course they will speak Italian. All songs verses jokes they know in Native language .
I’d say statues of Zelensky, his wife and the soldiers of snake island would make good replacements.
A Ukrainian soldier with the middle finger in the air would be monumental.
Tasteless
The cause of russians nZ' of terror dirty war and evil in the sight of God recorded until in heaven.
@Test This look into Stalin & USSR collaboration with the Nazis, August 1939 Molotov-von Ribbentrop Soviet-Nazi pact.
Moskal sources are dishonest and Vladolf Pootinazi passed a law against the true history.
When your leader is running a fascist ethno-nationalist regime, copying Hitler with openly genocidal war aims and your state media openly brags about genocidal acts, you have no right to point fingers.
The true Nazis are in power in the Kremlin!
@@supercarakita1148 Cesar is too mobile, the Russians claim Himars kills but they are actually spending a lot of effort to destroy wooden dummy models.
@@supercarakita1148 that troll is a typical kepzat making threats.
They don't like Cesar .. mobility, range and accuracy.
[ Kremlin liars make empty threats and claims ]
In all honesty, as a native Odessan, I used to like this statue, would walk pass by it frequently. But when I started hearing russians say that Odessa is a russian city because it was built by Katherine II, and that we must keep the statue, or that we don’t have a right to demolish it, I understood the danger of keeping it in our city. I am happy that it is being removed! Slava Ukraini and shame on the russian occupants!
Yessssss
What language do you speak?
Опровержение есть что это не русский город ? Турков и татар выгоняли русские с тех земель
@@yourconscience1412 он не в россии и там живут не русские.
Sad that you need to remove a monument to keep people from abusing it.
The fact that Russia is using it as some kind of political pawn makes it too dangerous to keep in its current state.
I personally detest when people destroy statues, but I can see the need in this case.
It is a good idea to send it to the museum. Maybe, they can eventually have a memorial to the fallen of Odessa.
Yeah agreed.
Destroying anything historical is not usually a good idea.
@@pinorska6316 Exept when said statue where about a guy that used his earning on slave trade to set up a statue about himself in public square
@@andmos1001 nah
A museum is the best place. People can study it to remember the past, without having it rubbed in the face of the public.
@@andmos1001 no history should be erased, things has to be remembered or same mistakes will be comitted again
This "historical memory" was erected in 2007 with the help of russia.
Yeah that hardly makes it a "historical landmark". More like Russia marking its territory.
They just ran a genealogy report on my family and it says I'm descended from CtG. But then I assume most of the people in Europe are too, because I'm not Ukrainian nor Russian.
Either that or they just pepper famous people in there so you don't feel cheated when you find out all your ancestors were peasants, slaves, criminals, lepers, etc.
"You're descended from Nigel the Leper of Glanth. He infected half the town."
But assuming it's true and I have 1/20000000000 % blood of CtG, I still don't have a problem with them moving the statue out of the public view.
Or if it comes down to it, destroying the statue. Whatever. A statue erected in 2007 hardly gives Russia the right to invade.
As the inheritor and heir of the Catherine the Great dynasty (sure why not?) I hereby give my consent to remove the statue.
Putin can go suck a lemon.
@Mephisto but even “really historical” can be erected by the russian empire, which trying to enslave ukrainians and committed genocide for several centuries.
Hello Anna Savchenko , ¿ Really ? Before read your comment i think this statue was built during Russian Empire
@@javierserraagusti4495 nope, it’s very new
Ukrainians know that monuments of their dear despots are far more precious to Russian hearts than living things. 🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini.
U ok in the head? She founded the city u absolute clown 😂
That's why Ukrainians offered russians to exchange that monument for a Herson racoon they kidnapped while fleeing the city. Very enticing offer for russians.
Glory to Ukraine!
Heil Hydra!
@@tatianalyulkin410 bye Putler🕳️
Traitors, imperialist & tyrants shouldn't be honored.
BS. Pushkin is Black and they're destroying his statues as well. So much for BLM I guess.
Oh really go to hell
It should be put the great statue of Ukrian.
Put the statues in storage and put them in a museum some time in the future.
A 2007 statue erection is likely to be a tainted part of the recent politics. In 2004 Putin poisoned a Ukrainian presidential candidate in favour of the later puppet Yanukovych who later fled in 2013.
She was a tyrant. She opressed Ukrainians. She divided Poland. She used polish Throne as a toilet seat.
Btw, she wasn't even russian. She was 100% german.
Why would Ukraine keep that ugly old b..ch in their city centre?
@@n.b.380 it's part of the region's history. You don't erase history just because she was a tyrant. That is exactly what Russia is trying to do to Ukraine, erase its history. Just like Hitler, Stalin or any tyrant, there is something to learn from it for future generations. Don't leave it in a place of reverence, put it in a museum and describe the history surrounding it/her.
@@SPSteve
Ukraine has a rich history. Maybe, we should also put monuments to Genghis khan, Hitler, Stalin? They are part of our cultural heritage. Should we?
@Charlatan yes, today. But she/it is part of the region's history and should not be destroyed. Years from now Ukrainian's will want to know the nation's history and even if she was a tyrant she is part of the history. In the USA people have destroyed Civil War Confederate statues and monuments. This is short sighted. Even if it is part of an unpleasant past it should not be destroyed. It can be learned from.
When one leaves an abusive relationship one does tend to get rid of as many symbols as possible that are reminders of the horrors, pain and torture one endured. Then healing can progress easier and faster.
Irrelevant
You're so clueless. They're taking down the statues of Katherine and Pushkin and erect the statues of the mass murderers and rapists like Petlyura and Bandera.
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100%
Abusive relationship? LOL Worry about what the police are doing to your people in America. We had enough of Americans fighting until the last Ukranian. You have your own problems there, focus on your own.
Fair to say that Russian behaviour doesn't exactly support their image in neighbouring countries - or any country for that sake.
Oh really? What that has to do with anything? What behaviour? Has Russian been needlessly invading dozens of countries all over the world? Sounds like good ol us of a 😂
Hurr durr says some fuckwit on an American propaganda channel.
What do you think your country's reputation is like?
@@rog69 yes exactly what russia do. And right now is shouting threats to the whole world from zombieTV.
russian kids dont know how many war russia start at least since 1991?
@@Sleepyphoenix Ukraine operation is literally one country. No other invasions took place. What threats? Didn’t hear any threats. It’s not like the rest of the world watches russian tv lmao.
Only the RuSSians called her Catherine the great - it is time Great Ukraine to honor its glorious heroes - Slava Ukraini
Yes for example bandera the faschist
Like Stepan Bandera that most of western Ukraine honors..................what was he known for?
What heroes? You only existed 30 years.
Bad news.. Till last ukramiam right ..? As long they fall is fine! Can’t wait real numbers to fall 🥰 maybe could make some colonies there?😋 can’t wait for it ..😋
@@becauseyouassumethatsproof8033 Why does Russia still honour bolsheviks?
Move it. Don’t destroy it. It’s history. Never destroy your history, good or bad- it’s History.
Sure, but traitors, tyrants & invaders shouldn't be honored.
Better to remove and destroy. A history that remembered the bad past and it make stress your mind. If they decide to remove their choice. History can't save the people only God.
Right like Ukraine committing genocide 4 times already.
There are no statues of Hitler in Germany and yet they know their history very well
@@theAverageJoe25 history must never be destroyed. That is how people learn. And I know there is no Hitler statue because Germany is trying to erase the atrocities of the holocaust..we know that white German kids and teenagers do not know what Hitler did to the Jews.
Good decision. Relocation is best 👍
Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦💙💛🌻✨
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Personally, I don't mind statues and monuments even if they are part of an uncomfortable history or occupation, but I also understand why people would want them removed. Here in Finland Soviet monuments (tokens of "friendship") and statues of Lenin have recently been removed. Emperor Alexander II has a statue in a very central location in Helsinki and there are many streets named after him. To be fair, he was seen as the "good" Emperor in comparison to Nicholas II. There are also plenty of statues for Swedish rulers who were equally occupiers on our land.
They become politically charged when a state uses past empire as a justification for revanchism.
The legal definition for genocide has been met and the intent was stated in Vladolf Putin's war aims.
I think we BOTH know why Vladolf chose Ukraine and not Finland for his Make Moscow Great Again agenda.
@@RobBCactive Indeed. Like I said, I understand why people want them gone. I still personally don't think it's necessary, but I'm also not against removing statues.
@@Silveirias a 2007 statue erected after the Orange revolution and the 2004 poisoning of a Ukrainian presidential candidate with dioxin seems more political than a historic monument.
The invasions were prepared by Russian oligarch money and corruption.
@@RobBCactive I really don't personally care how political or non-political a statue is. Not sure what your point here even is, nor do I particularly care. If the majority of the Odesa residents want the statue gone, they should probably remove or relocate it.
@@Silveirias my point is recent political symbolic gestures are less likely to be museum worthy.
Your examples in Finland are from the 19th century when the Swedish empire had lost not independent Finland.
That is a significant difference, museums cost money to run, some things are best recycled.
No on museum, just trash it
Use the metal to make weapons!
No
@@jeckjeck3119 to make bulets better :)
Not all historical figures should be "in one's face" in an outdoor venue. Some should be relegated to museums. This is one; the number of historical figures who were overwhelmingly positive for a people is far smaller than the number of outdoor statues that exist.
Oh, sure, let's dump Pushkin and Katerina and keep Petlyura and Bandera! 🤣
There is nothing wrong with moving statues it is not revising history. They are supposed to be important monuments that people care about today, not people from the distant past that are either disliked or people are ambivalent to (unless it is really attractive or a great famous sculpture) They are the ornaments an a countries mantelpiece you are allowed to rearrange them. Use the spot for something most people actually want it is a nice position.
Whoever did that boarding around it did a cracking job it is very tidy.
This is different. This was erected by conquerer…. RuZZia. Catherine the Great is only referred to as great in RuZZian history.
Even if you are right, I think during a WAR, its okay to not want those things standing there right now
This is the #2 statue. #1 was dismantled in 192o by the Soviets. This one was installed This century. It isn't old.
@@Glostahdude stfu silva ur out of ur element, too much ukie propaganda and look at u 😂 such an ukie ally now are we? Tell me how much u care about ukranians 😂. Conquerer? She founded the city u nonce.
The original monument was destroyed by the Soviet Union, like most of the monuments to Russian monarchs in post-Soviet countries. Only a few original monuments survived, because they were architectural heritage, such as the monument to Peter 1 (the Bronze Horseman on Senate Square), Nicholas 1 (on Isaac Square) and Alexander 1 (Alexander Column on the palace square). The original monument to Catherine was erected in 1900, and its fake in 2007. This was only 15 years ago.
“Founder of Odesa” is also skewing history and gives false impression. She occupied the territory in 1791 and renamed the settlements, not really “founded”(as if nothing was there).
Там были татары , Одесса основывался русскими и переселяли туда и украинцев и русских там 50на 50
Like Putin founding the Nova Rus, the New Russia in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.
It was an Ottoman fort and port.
@@yourconscience1412 You contradict yourself. Not all Tartars are Russian. And the city where Odessa sits was originally founded by Tartars.
@@ronhak3736 And it was a Tartar town seaport before the Ottomans arrived.
Trade it for the raccoon. Ukrainian would probably want the raccoon back.
Replacement statue ideas:
- Statue to St. Javelin
- Statue to Ukrainian soldiers and/or civilians
- Statue to Cossack Mamay
- Statue to Taras Shevchenko
- Statue to me! The engraving could say "Cheer up. Even a loser like me got a statue of myself." making life better for all other people when they figure out that I'm some nobody.
Everything is better than having a statue of someone who committed genocide against ukrainians, and the pro-russian authorities decided to erect a statue of the "founder"
This report is filled with inaccuracies. She did not establish the city of Odessa she just renamed it. She destroyed Zaporizhian Sich the stronghold of Ukrainian independence and executed many local civilians . She is basically like a stalin figure in Ukraine.
And she stole the Russian throne. Sounds familiar.
From where did u get this crap..???
Ukrianian nazis
Those are complete lies. What a piece of 💩 of a Human you are, making up lies to defame someone who was much greater than you. Typical subhuman communist behavior. are you one?
@@user-qw3gz9qx4y Botski reported.
@@paulgibbon5991 and u r a nazi collaborator🤮
it can be replaced by any of the thousands of heroes who gave their lives for Ukraine in this war starting with the Snake Island soldier and the soldier who gave his life to blow up the bridge manually at the beginning of the war
Maybe that hero "the Ghost of KIEV" oh wait wasn't that a fairy tale? 😂
I’m all for memorials, but how can that replace the founder of your city, regardless of the controversy?
Yeah, that guy who was praised as heroically dead fighting the russian army, but it turned out he has surrendered to them. What a legend.
@@becauseyouassumethatsproof8033 One only told by botskis. They seem very obsessed.
@@paulgibbon5991 So who made up the Ghost propaganda and why's it always bot and troll with you wannabe Ukraine cheerleaders?
Very understandable to put the statue somewhere else…a museum is a good choice…part of history…but…out of place in a public square today. Slava Ukraine!! 🇺🇦🇺🇦
It deserves to be in a museum, undamaged.
@Charlatan Historians. Local And foreign.
Then what the fuck are the statues of Bandera and Petlyura are doing on the streets? Or is it " not the same " ???
Put up statues of your brave soldiers! They are the HEROS.
Best to keep the artifacts of the past in a Museum otherwise vandals will target them
Well it was made in 2007 so I guess it would not a big loss if it was destroyed as if it was the original from 1900 which was destroyed by the Soviets. But moving it to a museum is the best way nevertheless.
@@WiesoNurMistnamen это оригинал
Next Up: the Soviet monument in Berlin. Nothing but a painful reminder of Russia's Crimes Against Humanity against the women of Berlin after WWII.
Berliners call this ugly thing the "monument of the unknown rapist".
#SLAVA UKRAINE 🇺🇦
Good decision!!! Very good one!!!! My warmest greatings from Poland to The Inhabitants of Odessa - a beautiful pearl of The Black Sea!!!!!!!!!
I would use it to exchange for POW's, russians will go for it since statues are more important to them than human life.
Subtle but powerful move. Good for them.
Destroy it straight away, nothing about Russia is worth remembering, they should sit in the darkest corner of history where nobody can see them.
Melt it down
Melt it down and repurpose the bronze as shell casings for 155mm artillery ammo.
Only logical to remove a key symbol of Russian empire. Should be moved to a new museum, the Museum of Shame.
There have been so many heroic moments with Ukrainians of all ages, genders and professions, both civilian and military, in which had committed acts of utmost heroism and selflessness during the ongoing war, there is surely more than enough subjects for monuments by now, and one of them should definitely replace the statue of the Russian tyrant in Odesa.
She is German Grounder of city. Ironic.
"Mantian H respondeu ao comentário de TB
As War Rages In Ukraine, Odesa Votes To Remove Statue Of Russian Empress Catherine II
Mantian H
Remembering and honoring are not the same. Moving it to a museum wouldn’t be a sign of Russophobia, just an indication that this is part of history, and not something they want to celebrate everyday"
russophobia this is a logical consequence of what Moscow has been doing with Ukrainians for centuries. The Baltic countries also do not like Russians, because they have always been as they are now, and their leaders has always been the same monsters like now.
WAIT AND SEE IF IS MY IDEA IT IS RIGHT russofobia is INSIDE russia because WHY some son's of political like the son of PESCADA-MARMOTA dimitri pescov or the russian embassador in london the son only because is married CAN Go into UKRAINE? ? WHY ONLY men's with less studies, no university and IGNORANTS THAT ARE POOR, DUMMIES, TREAT AS OBJECTS AND MACHINES and throw in a FIGHT I BET THAT IS NOT their fight? ? THAT FOR ME IS SLAVERY AND RACISM, XENOPHOBIA AGAINST POOR AND MISERABLE russian people too! ! I SAY THAT THERE RUSSOPHOBIA from politics-oligarcs and rich and with some studies AGAINST POOR, MISERABLES without no studies in russia. ...SO RUSSOPHOBIA INSIDE russia EXISTS TOO! !
AND DON'T TRY TO critize me MONSTERS-CADELAS-putin's BECAUSE ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUE! !!
Happy to see Ukrainians and their artists still at work in these times. None of my business really, but I like the idea of putting it away, maybe they can sell it sometime later or whatever, but to destroy it is an insult to the sculptor who made it.
How Katherine killed Ukrainians, what is that? This monument was erected by the pro-russian authorities, who trying imposed the narrative to residents of the city, that Odesa is part of Russia.
Well done!
I support a sober debate before removing monuments and relocating them over their destruction.
Слава Україні
You don't need foreign conquerors in your face in city centers. You take these out to mark the entrance to the city dump.
@@donaldkasper8346 following this way, every city would remove a half of their monuments.
The Moskals have looted museums and monuments, perhaps you could talk to them about it too?
Handle Russian "Art" like germany handles Nazi-Stuff: Put it out of sight and make sure that everyone who sees it gets the context first and knows whos the victim and who the perpetrator.
The statue wasn’t Russian, it was commissioned by Odesa.
Also nazi art and statues of figures in Imperial Russian history is not the same.
@@indubitably1417 Yes it is
Odessa is removing its founder...
Great move..
That how u can say Ukriane is fake and has no future..
Hope soon russian come back to Odessa
A new park with that statue plus statues of all the invaders of Ukraine throughout history; the Scythians, the Greeks, the Vikings, the Mongols, the Turks, the Ruthenians, the Nazis, and the Soviets… and most recently, Putin!
Call it “A Monument to Ukrainian Persistance”… but in Ukrainian, of course. Maybe on/near Zaporizzian Sich island in the Dnipro?
Museum would be better!
With the noose and executioner's hood on it?
It was erected only in 2007, that's after the 2004 dioxin poisoning of the Ukrainian presidential candidate standing against Putin's puppet candidate who has collaborated in the Donbas this year.
Put it in a museum, and let gather dust!
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When was it ever "great"?
The people of Odesa probably thought so when they put it up.
Oh good. This presents a perfect opportunity for the ppl to learn more about Ukraine’s history.
it wasn't founding, it was renaming, wasn't it?
Didn’t the video say that that there was a settlement there, I don’t recall settlements counting as cities, so she probably did found the city.
@@indubitably1417 she didn't. It was a city and port throughout history, but after many wars there only fortress was left, without lots of population.
New Muscovian government only acted as any administration under stable circumstances would act - invested in turning it into functioning trade center anew.
There was an Ottoman fort, but the Athenians had traded with the region obtaining wheat in antiquity.
When empires conquer they set a year 0 and dismiss the past.
The founding was only 1795, younger than the USA, whereas the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth for example had ruled the area centuries before the Moskals showed up.
That's a problem with using history in politics and making simplistic claims.
I’m pretty sure the ancient Greek settlement would have been long gone by the the time the Imperial Russians took over the area, also the fort doesn’t really count as a city now does it.
I could understand if the argument wasn’t that Catherine wasn’t the founder because there were because there were settlements that predated Russian arrival, if that were the case, then people wouldn’t claim Mexico City was founded by Cortes.
What Symbol by 3:40 is on here Hand?
Seems like free design, but could be interpreted black sun, it's common for Ukrainian soldiers to have such tattoos.
A Viking tribal tattoo.
Better replace them with the true Ukrainian heroes.
Bandera xD
After this IS over I think they should really be embraced by Europe and become a free and wealthy country. This Episode Will be remembered as the beginning of the fall of Rússia. Ukraine post war Will be a model for other republics that Will certainly spin off of Russian Control.
Put the statue of Zelensky in its place.
Ruskis will be pissed!!
No wonder she was known as Catherine the great; what an indulgent tidbit of knowledge of one the original petty Rus tyrants. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦👍
Rememberr Catherine II was German.
So.
They can trade the statue for Ukrainian POWs, I guess.
The whole Brotherhood been Ukraine and Russia has ended, so has any tolerance for monuments to Russian historical figures in Ukraine. Best off melting this eye sore down.
Of course, melt down the statues. Forget the history. Why don't you put it in a museum instead, if it's so offensive?
@@SwitchTF2 More useful to melt it down for use as bullets or shrapnel, that way Ukraine can send it back to RuZZia piecemeal and thus make "new history".
@@mis4nthr0p3 definitely!!
This whole "brotherhood" is a rubbish pushed first and foremost by russians themselves.
@@mis4nthr0p3 exactly!
When was it made?
this one, 2007, meant to replace the one that was destroyed in 1920 (that was made in 1900) - watch the vid
@@willaxesawian9242 I saw the video, got problem with subtitles.
Russia and Ukraines history aint so well knowned everywhere.
Only know that we invaded Ukraines once up in time.
as a russian, i totally understand this decision
even if the citizens were to destroy the statue, that would be understandable too: it's their land and property after all
also quite surprising to see peolpe who'd prefer to keep the statue!
It's the communist statues that need to be taken down
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess yup, also true
In a museum where it would be presented in context and not on a pedestal implying she should be revered.
A statue is not history... but such statues are political statements. Moving a statue is not 'revising history.' Moreover, it's no great work of art... it's from 2007. If people don't like it being relocated... move to Russia.
A statue of Zelensky would be cool.
or a giant heap of destroyed, rusted, Russian vehicles with that stupid Z still showing.
I doubt he would want plenty of official statues of himself while he is alive.
@@cut-- right, the russian nZ' of terror.
Museum best place to keep these statues.
A statue of Zelensky , will be a nice replacement of this Ruzz statue.Slava Ukraini 💙💛
Why not Hitler?
I repeat- I put a curse on everyone who dares to touch the monument. Idiotic decisions should have consequences! Odessa is clan Lyulkin and I did NOT give my permission.
She was German and cherished enlightenment, probably one of the 'best' leaders Russia ever had ...but i get it😂👍👍
Destroyed Zaporizhia Sich and legalized serfdom (slavery) in Ukraine.
Don't forget the deluge.
@@olegart3018
Being an orc rubbed off not her.
Just stash the statue somewhere in an archive or museum. Done.
I mean...saying she was one of the "best" leaders of Russia gives her a very low bar to meet. It's not like Imperial Russia was overflowing with excellent monarchs.
Pulling statues down seems an international zeitgeist.
Pull the statue down and use the bronze to make munitions
As long as it's being put into a museum instead of being destroyed, then I think it should be fine. Erasing one's history, on the other hand, is a mistake.
I'm sure Odessa is full of mixed heritage: Ukranians, Russian, Moldovan, German, Tatar, Polish, Romanian, Mongol, Turk, Georgian, etc.
You forgot about jews. Odessa was (and still is) the most Jewish city of Ukraine.
In 1970-th and in 1990-th a lot of jews migrated to Israel and US, but still Odessa is a hometown for many of them
Give it to a British museum. They'll be happy to take other country's art.
There are 'offensive' statues of occupiers, tyrants, slave owners and colonialists in every country. I can understand the points of view from both sides. For me, the only solution is to build museums of statuary, where they can be relocated from prominent public display and their historical relevance can be critically explained, appreciated and put into a modern context. Rather that, than being demolished or stored in some darkened warehouse. If it's some heinous individual, perhaps his or her role in history should be preserved and explained for future generations, rather than being erased. Having those statues displayed at ground level, so they can be looked in the eye, so to speak. I'd find it interesting anyhow.
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess And reported.
Sling the statue into the nearest river
What about replacing it with a Stature of Anna Yoraslavna daughter of Prince Yoraslavna the Wise to commemorate Ukraine's ancient history.
What she do?
Man, it's Odessa, it has nothing to do with Kievan Rus.
Remove the Statue, And Drop it on the Kremlin
Wait, she supposedly died by having coitus with a horse? That's almost too specific to be a lie
Fact checking says it is false. Perfect propaganda about a petty Rus tyrant, though. All the best regards to you 🙏 Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦👍
@@namastezen3300 How do you know the fact checking is right, do the fact checkers have time machines?
Maybe she was into bestiality.
I looked into it. It was rumored, but not supported as fact, but in times like these i'm pretty sure this information is gonna spread like wildfire.
@@1ndragunawan thank you for your reply. I googled " Catherine the great death horse" (like I would any subject) when I get similar results from 3 reputable sources, I trust them. I have no doubt that she earned 200+ year old animosity that typifies the petty Rus tyrant. All the best regards to you 🙏 Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦👍🇷🇺👎
@@namastezen3300 but she wasn’t even Russian.
good. remove anything remotely Ruzzian !
Ukraine has been banning religion and politcal parties, Zalensky and the Kyiv regime aren't dictators or anything
I live in Canada and studied Sociology in university. I tried to debunk the legend as some kind of historical myth. I failed. Russian sources and documentation, British documents, and other sources all alluded to the very disturbing (but fitting for today's Liberalism) fact that K the G definitely had thing for the stables, and liked them "big".
Just a "bit" demented.
Sex without pregnancy. Efficient.
I read that Yekaterina died on the toilet trying to have a bowel movement, straining and increasing the pressure on her internal organs causing either a heart attack or stroke. It is medical fact that this can happen in patients who are vulnerable medically. I like the horse story better and she was known for having many men service her, but I doubt the horse story's veracity. Sorry.
her marriage was ILLEGAL AND she MURDER with one of many lover's she had (men's and women's ....she was BISSEXUAL. ..both sides), the czar that ILLEGALY support her!!! THE REAL wife of that czar was MURDER!!! BUT the czar WAS LUNATIC, A MONSTER TOO! !! ALL THAT ENVOLVE russian HISTORY are COMPLETELY FULL OF MADNESS, LUNATICS, BIG HUGE MENTAL ISSUES AND MANY HORRIBLE THINGS ARE ERASE AND. HIDE IN PAST FROM HISTORIC BOOKS!!
@@magdagama8779 Think of the minds of those who rule our national leaders. Those who have power over presidents, prime ministers, and kings. Think of the insanity.
Think of the insanity of the mind that charges off to kill others that it does not know and in other lands because it fears what it's leaders will do to it. That truely mind is neurotic and psychopathic.
Just get rid of it permanently, because that's what Museums and History Books are for.
Just like removing statues of slavers, this is not revision of denial of history, but rebalancing away from glorifying these people. Teir statues can be displayed elsewhere, with context to explain how problematical they are.
How was Catherine the great problematic? Ukrainian Nationalism didn't become a thing until recently.
Catherine was hated by the beurocracy and oligarchy but she wasn't really viewed as a bad ruler.
Her legacy was education, the opening of the mind, and overall the soft dream while reaching for the sky
Destroying history tou don't like doesn't always go the way you think either. All you have to do is ask the book burning states happened in the 1700s, and then repeat the question in a cataloging one then compare their health today
Problematic for certain people is just another point of view. Just like hate speech they call it now just depends on my view vs someone else's view.. nobody's view is wrong or right it's just your opinion or it's just my opinion and that's a problem these days only one side is allowed to have opinions....
We who love history can relate to the dismantling or destruction of historical statues and monuments. It will never erase the history as long as someone is alive to speak of it. At this time, the best place for it is the museum, at least there it will be preserved and safe.
It is not about history, it is about russian propaganda.
Ukraine used to have tens of thousands statues of Lenin. And funny thing is that Lenin didn't even visit Ukraine at least once during all his life. At the same time Ukraine have a lot of local historical figures who didn't have its monuments cause they didn't fit into russian and soviet imperialistic propaganda.
Catherine the great. That horse lady?
katherine the GREAT IN SLAVERY, COLIONALISM, MURDERS, HAVE LOTS OF BIXESSexual partners him's and her's. ...IF someone SAID THE TRUTH. ...BYE-BYE LIFE. ....AND IF THAT is katherine the czar. ....AMEN!! THAT MONSTER WAS A MONSTER. ..AND SHE KNOWED AND ADMITTED THAT! !!
@@testthis5035 if you don't know my reference then you are better off not knowing
Katharina II. was a well educated German. Catherine II was born in Stettin in 1729 as Princess Sophie Auguste Friederike von Anhalt-Zerbst (usually called Sophie or Sophia von Anhalt-Zerbst in the literature). She was a daughter of Prince Christian August von Anhalt-Zerbst from the Ascanian family, the Prussian general and governor of Stettin at the time, and his wife Johanna Elisabeth von Holstein-Gottorf, the younger sister of Adolf Friedrich, who became King of Sweden in 1751. Thus Katharina was a relative of the new Swedish dynasty of Holstein-Gottorf.
She spent her childhood in the Szczecin Castle, interrupted by visits to her relatives, e.g. in Brunswick, Zerbst, Berlin and Varel. In 1739 she stayed in Eutin Castle, where she met her future husband for the first time.[3] After the death of Johann August von Anhalt-Zerbst and the resulting assumption of power by her father Christian August in 1742, the family moved to Zerbst Castle in December 1742.
In 1743, Russian Empress Elisabeth Petrovna, on the advice of Frederick II,[4] decided that her successor, the Russian heir to the throne, Grand Duke Peter Fedorovich and later Emperor Peter III, the first emperor from the Romanow-Holstein-Gottorp dynasty, which reigned until 1917, with Sophie, his Second cousin to marry. In January 1744, Sophie's journey began from Zerbst to Russia via Berlin, where she visited Frederick II, Reval and Saint Petersburg to Moscow, where she arrived in February 1744. With ambition and determination, the talented fourteen-year-old quickly learned the Russian language and tried to integrate at court. At the same time, she was instructed in the orthodox faith, because she saw the change of faith as a necessary step on her way. Her father, a devout Lutheran, opposed the conversion. On June 28th. / July 9, 1744greg. Sophie was accepted into the Russian Orthodox Church. This was associated with the change of name, Sophie became Ekaterina Alexejewna (Russian Екатерина Алексеевна) - the reigning Empress Elisabeth had chosen the name Katharina in memory of her mother Catherine I. On the same day Katharina was elevated to Grand Duchess.[5] The engagement took place on June 29th. / July 10, 1744greg. held and on August 21st. / September 1, 1745 greg.[6] was the wedding. The wedding festivities lasted ten days. The marriage was not harmonious. Already on the wedding night it became clear that the Grand Duke felt little interest or affection for Catherine: while she was waiting for him in the bedchamber, he came back drunk from his party late at night.
Catherine as Grand Duchess (painting by Alexei Antropov, 1760)
Grand Duchess Katharina was a lively and intelligent woman. She liked to play music and read a lot, turning increasingly to historical and political-theoretical works (Montesquieu, Voltaire) in order to sharpen her understanding of politics and to prepare for her role as co-ruler. Above all, she was always informed about what was happening at court. She attended every service and took part in religious life. Meanwhile, Grand Duke Peter created his own world in Oranienbaum (today's Lomonossow) and cultivated his fondness for everything Prussian, especially the military.[3]
Don't remove, destroy it!
Who else thinks that it should be replaced with a statue of a fallen unknown Ukrainian soldier who gave his life defending his mother land and his people. Slava ukraini 🇺🇦
I think you need to go fy. The statues need to be left alone. Not all Ukrainians and Russians support this shit war
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess wow that's a grate way to show respect to the young men and woman defending your life while your sat in your warm house or your silly little flat safe btw typing a stupid comment like you know what your on about. Do us all a favour and just keep your absolutely disgusting disrespectful comments to your self especially when they are dying in the thousands in conditions you couldn't even think of think about that while your tucked up safe at night. No one agrees with this war but if Russia and its fascists regime didn't invade and start to plunder rape and murder we would all be fine wouldn't we there would be no war there. Stupid little girl
Built a monument and statues for Ukrainians heroes not of your occupiers! Slava Ukraine!
And what's unknown to many: even before Russia conquered those lands, there were many Ukrainians living in 'Crimean Tatar' lands. Also many Tatars lived amongst/as Cossacks. There weren't Nations back than. Ukrainians/Cossacks spoke Tatar often until the 19th centuries and Tatars Ukrainian/Russian even before the Russian conquest. That's why the Cossacks/Ukrainians even allied themselves often with the Tatars, sometimes against Russia.
So I'm totally in favour of the removal of the statue and it's relocation. Because those lands were in a way 'Ukrainian' even before the Russian conquest.
I agree with Denis.
And yeah, she did not found Odessa.
Yes she did moron
3:43 Who is that badass poster girl?
What is that tattoo on her hand?
The German princess, who later became one of the most successful rulers of Russia and earned the title of ''Great''.
She was a thief and a murderer.
Daaaaaaaamn, they went hard on old Cath. Brutal memes!
What a pity. Catherine does have a legitimate part in Odessa's history, she's not part of current war. Sad. Doesn't need to be done.
She still helped crush Ukrainian independence in Ukraine during her time.
Better put in museum
Good.
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Yes get rid of it/them, put up Ukraine history and people
One by one all cultural ties they had with Ruzzia are torn down - well deserved on Ruzzias part!
Donate that statue back to russia in exchange to warprisoners
I am well aware of the suffering of the Ukrainian people and totally support Ukraine in its fight to expell the invaders.
But history is complex, and I think we have to live up to it. Even if Ukraine long went past of Katherine II, she is nevertheless a part of Ukrainian history. Maybe not a part that you should love nowadays, but a part indeed.
I do not believe in cancel culture, I think it is a childish thing to think that something can be erased from existence by mental exhile.
I think future generations of Ukrainians, proud of their country, will have no trouble in relating to Ketherine, understanding that she was a part of their making
Similar controversy over Confederate monuments here. It belongs in a museum setting. You don't see fascist monuments in modern Germany for the same reasons.
The cartoons are gross, but I understand why they are mad. Bye catherine!