This is exactly the video I needed. My biggest complaint has always been that the villain always gets lucky on the river but I'll just have to bet an higher amount so it won't even get to that stage.
I agree with your analysis on the hand... I would have liked to see you say something of V9's terrible preflop call... Had he RR Preflop with AQx it would have made even more sense for Hero to NOT be in this hand. But absolutely you WANT to get your money in the pot when you're the favorite to win the pot. Maximize winning and information on each street.
Totally agreed with your analysis there were huge mistakes made here compounded. 1. Not having a full starting stack 2. Paying tax twice by not waiting to auto-post in the BB 3. Incorrect bet sizing 4. Not protecting your made hand and giving villain great odds to draw out on the turn 5. Reshoving an inferior hand on the river.
1) I wouldn't be in this spot because I most likely wont play the hand. Even though we have position the hand is not strong enough to squeeze against goofballs who simply never fold. It's 5NL, dammit. These people don't even know the meaning of the word "fold", god forbid they ever click the button once they decided to see a flop. 2) terrible betsizing. On the flop, if I somehow end up in this spot, the mulah goes in. Keep it simple, stupid. 3) tilt-donation to the fish fund on the river Conclusion: bad hand played bad. How NOT to play 5NL. Forget "but we need to balance our range"... forget GTO. It's the micros. Good old straight forward oldschool TAG poker is what gets you through. Nothing else.
@@BlackRain79Poker I don't even think it's FPS. None of the actions hero takes is designed to have any effect (as they would be if it were FPS) - preflop call? No effect. No one is put to a tough decision by the money invested by hero - flop bet? Way too low to get anyone off any hand, whatsoever, that could have called a preflop raise with 3 more players to go. Easy decision for villain. - turn bet? Again too low. If villain didn't fold flop there's no hand he'll fold on the turn for this bet size. Easy decision for villain - river shove? Complete waste. If villain (for some infathomable reason) was bluffing he folds. Looking him up at least would get a look at his cards. If villain has it the 30 cents are just wasted. Basically every decision in this hand feels wrong - starting from playing the hand at all against a raise and a call (we're so often dominated in this spot, too)
THANK YOU. I was so damn wrong. I'm on fire since then. I just started playing online, and I was stucked because of my bet sizing. Now I'm pushing them to All-in non stop (when I'm in position and dominating), rather than betting way too small so they won't fold? lol Yes, they may have the nuts at some point, but on the long run, it's a damn win strategy!!
I really liked this video. I still think he would have called but I agree get it all in before he’s made his hand. I want to add that I watch 3-5 of your videos daily. I play a tournament style game every Tuesday and my play has improved greatly. Keep up the good work.
Hey Nathan, I recently bought Crushing the Microstakes and The Micro Stakes Playbook. I only finished with CtM now but i gotta say i love your book! Even though its quite old already and might not be 100% up to date anymore, it gives you all the basic tools that you need in order to survive in the Micros. Since i started reading it my play has changed tremendously already and i can definitely see a change for the better! I´m still at the beginning, but your work and your advice help a lot and are a ton of fun too! Thank you for all your efforts, Greetings
Hey Nathan. You've said this hand was basically played terribly, and I agree. However, entering after a raise and cold call with the blinds still to go seems a bit too hopeful to me. Essentially, you're playing for a flush preflop with the action and with the probability your K is dominated or you're out kicked so I can't see even bothering from the start.
Since I've started watching your videos man I've started making serious gains, gone back to 2nl sacked zoom off 100%. I've played just shy of 10k hands and I'm up but only getting 64c/100 really need to work on getting the fishes full stacks I always find my self questioning my hands but then realising I'm more than good 🤣
@@colintoft2408 do you crush this stake? I am a beginner and just read his book Cursh the Microstakes and it is the best stuff that i got so far on the topic. Hope its gonna work. :)
I knew years ago when I found this channel I would become a good player. I now almost can't be stopped in live poker 1-2NL and 1-3NL and feel like one of the end bosses at NL10 online.
2 red flags I've noticed at the micros- posting early and repeatedly showing your cards. Some guys love to show their cards bluff or not. Love the free info... Does anybody who's competent, besides the occasional bluff show to tilt someone, not have auto-muck on? Can't comment on the hand, I haven't really made a switch over from 9 to 6 max. I know ranges get widened as a general rule, but K7s even on the button with 2 people already in it seems too loose for me. I wouldn't feel comfortable squeezing because if someone came over the top I wouldn't want to continue with it. I think I'd fold in this spot at the onset... Besides not playing it at all, I think you made a good show of how aggression with bet sizing makes a difference
Well, as you've said in the past, considering the principle that to know what NOT to do is at least as useful as to know what to do, this was pretty constructive, let it be in order to get a global vision of the game. Getting back to grinding again, Thanks!
The more poker I play, the more I'm realizing that bet sizing is the most important aspect of the game. It makes all of your big street decisions so much easier, but it also causes your opponents to play in a super sub-optimal way which allows you to make the most money when you have the best hand. If you find yourself in gross spots (which I still sometimes do because I failed to size properly), then it's most certainly because you didn't make the correct bet on a prior street or even pre-flop.
Hello Nathan! I have 2 questions : 1) Why is the 2x raise on the turn so bad since we give him wrong odds for the call? I know we dont get max value with only 2x raise but we give him very wrong odds so its an +EV play so i dont understand why its bad ... 2)If bob raised bigger on the turn then it would probably scare the villain off and make him fold the hand .. That way we lose much more value...I think 1,60 would be the optimal raise. tell me your thoughts.. thank you
We are giving villain tremendous odds to call. The pot is 1.41 before villain's 0.68 lead. When we raise 2x to 1.36, villain needs to only call 0.68 more to win a total pot of 4.13. Villain only needs around 16% equity to continue vs our raise, and that's not even taking into account the implied odds for us paying him off further if he makes his hand on the river. Therefore, the raise size is incorrect.
Also, to your second point, being afraid of scaring the villain off is a fishy mindset. It's rarely profitable to slow play or trap at these stakes. You just lose out on value. If this guy is leading into us on the turn, he is not folding to a bigger raise. You should only be slow playing against maniacal players that will bluff their entire stacks into you. Otherwise, just bet when you have it.
Hey samour, I am no poker math whiz but I think Schroeder pretty much covered it. A mini-raise pretty much never denies odds to any legitimate draw (which villain had).
The min raise is a bad reg move. Players love chasing the flush draw in the micros from my experience. Might as well charge him as much as possible. Also if the small percentage they have a worse flush they are never folding as well.
what do you mean he should not "post the blind"? because in that position he can either fold without making a bet or if he wants in he needs to pay the blind
Hello, i have problem with the same thing. If i have nuts for me on the turn, i just bet lower than usually so if the river hits him i have very difucult decision.. Almost i am crying :-) so this year i need to focus on right beting, but in this days PT4 shows that i won 8$, but should have 24$,just only 2k hands.. I hope that the river will be not so cruel :-) thanks for your teaching!
I agree with everything you said Nathan. I think the words from bad to worse describe Bob's play. His preflop call was weak and all his bets were weak. if I was foolish enough to call the preflop raise I would have definitely bet the pot on the flop and then shoved on the turn.
1:22 Yeah that makes sense! What if you're short-stacked and you flop the nuts? What if the board comes up KKK, 777, KK7, K77, AQJ of spades, or 654 of spades? You'd want to be able to get all of your stacks in, and if you have a bigger stack, you can win more money from a nutted hand!
Hi, there are a big portion of poker rooms forbid HUD (888 for example), would you stick to the same strategy or if you make any correlation to the game? Please explain or even a good episode on the issue would be an interests to many IMHO, 10x
@@EduardBobrik I had a similar experience after reinstalling the software. It turned out, I simply had to change the language from "danish" to "english", and then everything was fine again. It might be possible, that they have a different policy for the US market, but it would seem a bit odd. In your place, I would ask support to clarify, unless you have specifically seen some statement, that HUDs are no longer allowed.
If I have king queen or ace heart and king spade for instance and I put 4 dollars down and my opponent calls and the flop is something like 9 & 10 suited diamond and jack club.. do I call? Do I try to bluff? What do I do
That’s what’s been missing from my game I always c-bet half pot no matter what and then I call it a bad beat when they hit their hand. I just found my biggest leak. Thank you!
I would just fold this preflop. When the poster makes the call, its more or less just a normal hand, and calling a large raise with K7s is typically always going to be a losing play. 3-betting is an option, but we have many better hands to choose from, and if someone is bad enough to post, he is usually also bad enough to call a 3-bet out of position. Postflop is a bet sizing issue. If Hero go bigger on the flop, he can easily jam the turn over that donk bet from Villain, and then the river does not even happen. Villain call it off with bad pot odds and get lucky, or he fold, and we take the pot down.
There's a lot more I feel could be said about this hand. That being said, I'd still play it almost identical to how Nathan suggests, but there's something I'd like to point out which I think is really the most important thing here which was barely mentioned at all. In a world where the flop is only a 2s Js 2d, consider your opponents' perspectives and what is going to be done by them, and what range you want to have which reaction from. What I mean is like a hand such as A of spades and some nonspade care, they don't have a strong hand right now, as the chances of them catching 2 runners to make a flush is very low, especially if we have 2 more of the spades. So what I'm getting at here is that if we had just made a full pot bet on the flop, and they called, we could essentially eliminate this hand from their range, which is exactly what we want to do in this situation. If they fold we still get a decent payout so that's not a bad outcome. And if they stay in, they likely have a J, a 2, a pocket pair, or 2 spades, and having them restricted to that means we can then play the rest easily as we pretty well know we have the best hand if a spade comes up. Now sure, we could still lose to a A of spades plus another spade but that still makes it exponentially less likely that we lose when we think we can win. So really what I'm getting at is that a bigger bet on the flip and/or turn isn't just to grow the pot and/or to make them make a large mathematical error to stay in with certain hands, but it also gives us some crucial information to likely narrow down what kind of a hand they can have.
I always cash out, for instance; I start with 3.00 stack on 5-10, play like i have a 3.00 stack , 10 minutes later I have 13.00 stack, i cash in and join 3 new tables.
I would have re-raise pre flop or fold I'm not pretty sure if the outcome would have been any different if he did re-raise, AQ it's a hand almost everybody calls no matter what
Had a similar hand to this a while back in a 10NL 6max game. UTG limps, it folds round to me in big blind and I have Kc2c. I raise to try and steal the limp and the small blind but UTG calls. I flop a flush, can’t decide whether to bet or go for a check-raise. I go for the check-raise and UTG bets half pot, so I raise it up for 3.5x and he still calls. Inevitably a 4th club comes on the turn. I call down UTG’s bets on turn and river and of course he shows Ac with some offsuit card. So infuriating. Should have folded on the turn but it’s so difficult to lay down second nuts.
I don't know why but you were really good at explaining and giving a lot of gold nuggets in this video ... either you improved as a teacher or it was just luck on this one video :))
bet sizing is a huge thing for micro/ small stakes. in regard to this hand, fish will call with even a 1% chance and they get lucky once in awhile. in this case fish got lucky. bad cooler, it happens
Gr8 vid! Lots to take away. I would expect V to raise the flop with his AJ-QJ. As he only called, his range should consist of broadways with a spade, 66-99 with a spade, or middling offsuit jacks like JT. All of these hands would have been put in a nightmare spot had H shipped the turn.
Hi, Nathan! Thank you for your videos. I really like to watch it. I hope it can help me to improve my game. Please tell me, how can i send my hands to you for analysis?
Nathan, what is that blind posting that you're talking about? Is that what players do when sitting at the table and are offered to post a blind so they don't have to wait for bb, or are you reffering to some other action?
In this case the Villain must have been sitting out and missed a round of blinds. Then you are offered to post a BB and a dead SB, which PokerStars call "penalty blind". If he just sat down, it would only be a BB.
Great video but I dont understand about paying tax twice .the villain that posted from early positiin may have had a great hand? If he limped, late position may go in harder thinking villain had a weak hand ?
The villain who posted a blind did so from the cutoff, not early position. In any case, there is no reason to ever post a blind in a 6max game. It's just throwing away money.
@@BlackRain79Poker I'm new to this but how come he wasn't already in the action and wasn't he trying to show strength to late position? Thanks for your response and great videos .I play cash games .not tournament currently
A posted blind is just like a regular blind or a straddle. Its a blind bet with a random hand, before you even get to look at your cards. The reason, you have to post to get dealth in right away, is because, otherwise people could just sit out, every time it was their turn to pay the big blind, and this would obviously not be fair. Therefore you always need to either play your first hand in the big blind or post, when we are talking about cash games. Tournaments are different, because you can not take your buyin with you, if you leave after a few hands.
Great stuff Nathan! I’d like to know your opinion about the “cash out” option on PS, in the example hand we could cash out on the turn if he call us down when playing it like you recommend. I find myself more willing to play now with this cash out thing, because I don’t get 🥊 by variance...even though I’m not winning at NL5 yet...maybe you could make a video about this. Cheers!
Hi, Nathan! I've watched a lot of your vids and you've helped me a great deal when starting out in poker. However, I think there's a little mistake that you're often making in these lessons when assuming that NL5 players on PokerStars are that wild. I assume that you played these stakes some time ago, since today on PokerStars (and any major legit poker site, as far as I know) NL5 is pretty nitty. Yeah, there is still fish and nonsense play to be found, but as far as I know, NL5 on Stars has got a ton of (semi) regs. They make obvious mistakes, but I think that is pretty far from what can be heard in many of your videos. Please, correct me if I'm wrong (which I hope I am). Thank you for your effort! I really appreciate your work.
hi guys, may I ask, if on turn we raise around 2 dollar and the villain respond with ship all in, would you still calling ? or fold ? and why is that ? Thanks!
thanks for the answer ! I am always kinda scare in this situation , because from your book, turn raises is almost always a nuts, and if this guys raising my raise, I almost always feel like he had it . ( unless he is a maniac ). but ya I can kinda understand what you say since we are pot commited already, that is no way to fold already. if you don't mind ,Would you prefer to just jam on the turn or raise 2 dollar and see how he respond ? and why ? Thanks!
I'd shove. On the turn we have the best hand and curse him if he gets there but 9 outs (18%) ev I'd take that action all day. It's like AA vs KK. Same odds
I'd just fold. If it folded to me I'd open. K.I.S.S. or am I wrong? I feel I've finally evolved from being a fish at the micros. I'm crushing it now! Never thought I would continually 4 and 5x my buy ins on all 4 tables often. Just put $20 on bovada and got my roll to $206 so I'm doing something right. Again I'm folding or opening in this spot, I'm open to someone correcting me on it, thanks!
Whole point of the video is playing correctly pre-flop so you dont get into these tough spots post flop. 5x raise from MP is gonna be strong in my eyes regardless of the player and you have a second caller that makes it more likely that your hand is way behind. This is an easy fold for me pre flop
Your argument that playing short-stack is less profitable doesn't really add up. Because you have less skin in the game, you can play a higher stake table with the same risk so your potential profit in real terms can be at least as good. Yes - the players will be a little more skilled. But if you play an accurate short-stack game even the regs will likely leak against you - because very few players understand how to counter you properly. Almost all the books and training sites focus on full-stack play. Plus players often tilt against short-stackers. Honing your short-stack game also pays dividends in tournament play, because you will almost always be short-stacked at some point. And it provides some variety from full-stack play. I play short stack at a room with no HUDs and the ability to change your id regularly - so no-one can see you coming. Just playing ABC short-stack poker with a sound strategy is pretty profitable and easy to multi-table.
thanx 4 the upload. I agree with some of these commentaries below. 1.Its not the best starting hand but OK that's the HERO's choice. 2. the fact there's a pair on board should always be a concern. (Doyle Brunson once said 'never chase a flush when there's a pair on board) .3. the betsize on the turn was a bit low maybe but the fact he called and betted the river made me think he had a) A flush, b) Boat. Don't feel sad, last night somebody CALLED my straight with 10 7 flush !!!! (flop 4x bet with 67s on BB) preflop limping BS low stakes
Fold preflop. If we squeeze here, that would mean that we're raising with at least 1/3 of the deck. We just have so many better hands, it's really not necessary to use this one. Calling though is like the worst of the three options, there's absolutely no reason for that. Postflop the problem is bet size, obviously. Stacks should've been in the middle by the time we get to the river. And as for preflop range of the isolator I'd just assume he's raising his standard RFI range here. Isolating posters, unlike isolating limpers, doesn't mean that the limper has any interest in the hand, it's just pure dead money in the pot. Maybe he raises a bit wider because of that, but because of the 5x size he can't really raise too many hands - otherwise he'd have a huge problem playing against 3-bets.
Bad and inexperienced players invite difficult positions on themselves by bad pre flop play mostly and on the flop...really good players eliminate these risks mostly just by solid ABC TAG play
Alarm bells ringing when villain 9 flat calls the bet pre flop. (I don't mind opening with this or defending a steal but I'm never flatting with this) he should've folded IMO
I really don't like your logic on a LOT of analysis you give. Your whole "bet theory" is to get them to "fold draws" but you also want to get value out of those hands. You basically sound like a scared old man that is scared your opponent is going to draw out every hand. You want them in there with bad draws and you want them to call your value raises so pushing them out of the pot is dumb. Betting 1/3 pot is 100% standard and you can size up on turns. If your opponenet is calling 100% cbets at 30% bet you're printing money by betting all kinds of holdings for 30% and then also you can size up on the turn to 2/3 pot. Furthermore it is highly unprofitable to Cbet big as a bluff when youre opponent doesn't understand bet sizing. If they are calling 30% they are calling 70% so a small bet accomplishes same thing as a big bet on the flop. Then on top of all that you don't even make a decision in this hand you analyzed, you're just saying "well I wouldn't be in this spot" because YOU don't know what to do here. You can't even make a decision on whether to call or fold, I have zero respect for you.
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This is exactly the video I needed. My biggest complaint has always been that the villain always gets lucky on the river but I'll just have to bet an higher amount so it won't even get to that stage.
I agree with your analysis on the hand... I would have liked to see you say something of V9's terrible preflop call... Had he RR Preflop with AQx it would have made even more sense for Hero to NOT be in this hand. But absolutely you WANT to get your money in the pot when you're the favorite to win the pot. Maximize winning and information on each street.
Thought nathan had given up of hand reviews! Good to see new content
Nope, just a much needed holiday break from both the blog and UA-cam :)
Totally agreed with your analysis there were huge mistakes made here compounded. 1. Not having a full starting stack 2. Paying tax twice by not waiting to auto-post in the BB 3. Incorrect bet sizing 4. Not protecting your made hand and giving villain great odds to draw out on the turn 5. Reshoving an inferior hand on the river.
Agreed on all thanks for watching Rolando :)
1) I wouldn't be in this spot because I most likely wont play the hand. Even though we have position the hand is not strong enough to squeeze against goofballs who simply never fold. It's 5NL, dammit. These people don't even know the meaning of the word "fold", god forbid they ever click the button once they decided to see a flop.
2) terrible betsizing. On the flop, if I somehow end up in this spot, the mulah goes in. Keep it simple, stupid.
3) tilt-donation to the fish fund on the river
Conclusion: bad hand played bad. How NOT to play 5NL.
Forget "but we need to balance our range"... forget GTO. It's the micros. Good old straight forward oldschool TAG poker is what gets you through. Nothing else.
I agree, this is kind of the definition of FPS (fancy play syndrome) in my opinion. It just isn't necessary.
@@BlackRain79Poker I don't even think it's FPS. None of the actions hero takes is designed to have any effect (as they would be if it were FPS)
- preflop call? No effect. No one is put to a tough decision by the money invested by hero
- flop bet? Way too low to get anyone off any hand, whatsoever, that could have called a preflop raise with 3 more players to go. Easy decision for villain.
- turn bet? Again too low. If villain didn't fold flop there's no hand he'll fold on the turn for this bet size. Easy decision for villain
- river shove? Complete waste. If villain (for some infathomable reason) was bluffing he folds. Looking him up at least would get a look at his cards. If villain has it the 30 cents are just wasted.
Basically every decision in this hand feels wrong - starting from playing the hand at all against a raise and a call (we're so often dominated in this spot, too)
THANK YOU.
I was so damn wrong. I'm on fire since then. I just started playing online, and I was stucked because of my bet sizing. Now I'm pushing them to All-in non stop (when I'm in position and dominating), rather than betting way too small so they won't fold? lol
Yes, they may have the nuts at some point, but on the long run, it's a damn win strategy!!
Glad my videos help you Unai :)
I really liked this video. I still think he would have called but I agree get it all in before he’s made his hand. I want to add that I watch 3-5 of your videos daily. I play a tournament style game every Tuesday and my play has improved greatly. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
Hey Nathan,
I recently bought Crushing the Microstakes and The Micro Stakes Playbook.
I only finished with CtM now but i gotta say i love your book! Even though its quite old already and might not be 100% up to date anymore, it gives you all the basic tools that you need in order to survive in the Micros. Since i started reading it my play has changed tremendously already and i can definitely see a change for the better!
I´m still at the beginning, but your work and your advice help a lot and are a ton of fun too!
Thank you for all your efforts,
Greetings
Hey Philipp I am glad my poker book is helping you! :)
This concept is probably the most important one to crush the micros.
Great content!
Thanks for watching my poker videos, glad they help!
Hey Nathan. You've said this hand was basically played terribly, and I agree. However, entering after a raise and cold call with the blinds still to go seems a bit too hopeful to me. Essentially, you're playing for a flush preflop with the action and with the probability your K is dominated or you're out kicked so I can't see even bothering from the start.
Since I've started watching your videos man I've started making serious gains, gone back to 2nl sacked zoom off 100%. I've played just shy of 10k hands and I'm up but only getting 64c/100 really need to work on getting the fishes full stacks I always find my self questioning my hands but then realising I'm more than good 🤣
Nice work Colin, glad my videos help!
Found this channel in 2020 and decided I'm gonna play nl2 in my spare time.
Haha wow that's awesome Levi, thanks for watching, hope my vids help you at NL2 :)
This guy will help you easily destroy 2nl
@@colintoft2408 do you crush this stake? I am a beginner and just read his book Cursh the Microstakes and it is the best stuff that i got so far on the topic. Hope its gonna work. :)
I knew years ago when I found this channel I would become a good player. I now almost can't be stopped in live poker 1-2NL and 1-3NL and feel like one of the end bosses at NL10 online.
Nice video Nathan. Could you please do a video on bet sizing? Favourable conditions for sizing small Vs moderate Vs big? That'd be amazing content.
Thanks Jonathan, I will keep that in mind for future videos.
2 red flags I've noticed at the micros- posting early and repeatedly showing your cards. Some guys love to show their cards bluff or not. Love the free info... Does anybody who's competent, besides the occasional bluff show to tilt someone, not have auto-muck on?
Can't comment on the hand, I haven't really made a switch over from 9 to 6 max. I know ranges get widened as a general rule, but K7s even on the button with 2 people already in it seems too loose for me. I wouldn't feel comfortable squeezing because if someone came over the top I wouldn't want to continue with it. I think I'd fold in this spot at the onset... Besides not playing it at all, I think you made a good show of how aggression with bet sizing makes a difference
Good points Julian, I agree with both.
Well, as you've said in the past, considering the principle that to know what NOT to do is at least as useful as to know what to do, this was pretty constructive, let it be in order to get a global vision of the game.
Getting back to grinding again,
Thanks!
The more poker I play, the more I'm realizing that bet sizing is the most important aspect of the game. It makes all of your big street decisions so much easier, but it also causes your opponents to play in a super sub-optimal way which allows you to make the most money when you have the best hand.
If you find yourself in gross spots (which I still sometimes do because I failed to size properly), then it's most certainly because you didn't make the correct bet on a prior street or even pre-flop.
Hello Nathan! I have 2 questions : 1) Why is the 2x raise on the turn so bad since we give him wrong odds for the call? I know we dont get max value with only 2x raise but we give him very wrong odds so its an +EV play so i dont understand why its bad ... 2)If bob raised bigger on the turn then it would probably scare the villain off and make him fold the hand .. That way we lose much more value...I think 1,60 would be the optimal raise. tell me your thoughts.. thank you
We are giving villain tremendous odds to call. The pot is 1.41 before villain's 0.68 lead. When we raise 2x to 1.36, villain needs to only call 0.68 more to win a total pot of 4.13. Villain only needs around 16% equity to continue vs our raise, and that's not even taking into account the implied odds for us paying him off further if he makes his hand on the river. Therefore, the raise size is incorrect.
Also, to your second point, being afraid of scaring the villain off is a fishy mindset. It's rarely profitable to slow play or trap at these stakes. You just lose out on value. If this guy is leading into us on the turn, he is not folding to a bigger raise. You should only be slow playing against maniacal players that will bluff their entire stacks into you. Otherwise, just bet when you have it.
Hey samour, I am no poker math whiz but I think Schroeder pretty much covered it. A mini-raise pretty much never denies odds to any legitimate draw (which villain had).
The min raise is a bad reg move. Players love chasing the flush draw in the micros from my experience. Might as well charge him as much as possible. Also if the small percentage they have a worse flush they are never folding as well.
About the odds i made mistake i thought the pot was different.. Anyway thnx for the answers and keep up the videos!!
Would you recommend in nl10 and nl16 that you use a more basic approach rather than river bluffs and the sort
Do you have a video on how to study poker efficiently i.e. poker mindset in combination with studying poker skills?
What if hero had A7ss instead of K7? Would making a tiny raise on the turn be okay to try and induce a shove from something like KJ w/Ks?
Thanks! I have a better idea of bet sizing now to avoid getting myself in to tough spots!
Glad this one helped you Trace!
Also k7s is a decent 4b bluff that consistently holds up at least for me. Or I'm just thinking selectively. Love the content man great work.
what do you mean he should not "post the blind"? because in that position he can either fold without making a bet or if he wants in he needs to pay the blind
Hello, i have problem with the same thing. If i have nuts for me on the turn, i just bet lower than usually so if the river hits him i have very difucult decision.. Almost i am crying :-) so this year i need to focus on right beting, but in this days PT4 shows that i won 8$, but should have 24$,just only 2k hands.. I hope that the river will be not so cruel :-) thanks for your teaching!
I agree with everything you said Nathan. I think the words from bad to worse describe Bob's play. His preflop call was weak and all his bets were weak. if I was foolish enough to call the preflop raise I would have definitely bet the pot on the flop and then shoved on the turn.
I watched this video twice I found it most informative
Very deep and very instructive vid, bravo Nathan.
Thanks Patrick!
2:40 in...my opinion... fold, also you can't post in zoom so gotta be reg table
1:22 Yeah that makes sense! What if you're short-stacked and you flop the nuts? What if the board comes up KKK, 777, KK7, K77, AQJ of spades, or 654 of spades? You'd want to be able to get all of your stacks in, and if you have a bigger stack, you can win more money from a nutted hand!
Hi, there are a big portion of poker rooms forbid HUD (888 for example), would you stick to the same strategy or if you make any correlation to the game? Please explain or even a good episode on the issue would be an interests to many IMHO, 10x
HUDs are allowed on 888 Poker except in SNAP games.
fundiver198 Not any more, no hands history... new rules
@@EduardBobrik I played there today, and my PT4 still worked completely fine.
fundiver198 Happy for you, but the NJ client changed. No more HUD...
@@EduardBobrik I had a similar experience after reinstalling the software. It turned out, I simply had to change the language from "danish" to "english", and then everything was fine again. It might be possible, that they have a different policy for the US market, but it would seem a bit odd. In your place, I would ask support to clarify, unless you have specifically seen some statement, that HUDs are no longer allowed.
If I have king queen or ace heart and king spade for instance and I put 4 dollars down and my opponent calls and the flop is something like 9 & 10 suited diamond and jack club.. do I call? Do I try to bluff? What do I do
That’s what’s been missing from my game I always c-bet half pot no matter what and then I call it a bad beat when they hit their hand. I just found my biggest leak. Thank you!
Glad I could help Gabriel!
I would just fold this preflop. When the poster makes the call, its more or less just a normal hand, and calling a large raise with K7s is typically always going to be a losing play. 3-betting is an option, but we have many better hands to choose from, and if someone is bad enough to post, he is usually also bad enough to call a 3-bet out of position. Postflop is a bet sizing issue. If Hero go bigger on the flop, he can easily jam the turn over that donk bet from Villain, and then the river does not even happen. Villain call it off with bad pot odds and get lucky, or he fold, and we take the pot down.
There's a lot more I feel could be said about this hand. That being said, I'd still play it almost identical to how Nathan suggests, but there's something I'd like to point out which I think is really the most important thing here which was barely mentioned at all.
In a world where the flop is only a 2s Js 2d, consider your opponents' perspectives and what is going to be done by them, and what range you want to have which reaction from. What I mean is like a hand such as A of spades and some nonspade care, they don't have a strong hand right now, as the chances of them catching 2 runners to make a flush is very low, especially if we have 2 more of the spades. So what I'm getting at here is that if we had just made a full pot bet on the flop, and they called, we could essentially eliminate this hand from their range, which is exactly what we want to do in this situation. If they fold we still get a decent payout so that's not a bad outcome. And if they stay in, they likely have a J, a 2, a pocket pair, or 2 spades, and having them restricted to that means we can then play the rest easily as we pretty well know we have the best hand if a spade comes up. Now sure, we could still lose to a A of spades plus another spade but that still makes it exponentially less likely that we lose when we think we can win.
So really what I'm getting at is that a bigger bet on the flip and/or turn isn't just to grow the pot and/or to make them make a large mathematical error to stay in with certain hands, but it also gives us some crucial information to likely narrow down what kind of a hand they can have.
I always cash out, for instance; I start with 3.00 stack on 5-10, play like i have a 3.00 stack , 10 minutes later I have 13.00 stack, i cash in and join 3 new tables.
One of the best ways on cash to distinguish fish/rec players from more serious guys is the auto top up
I would have re-raise pre flop or fold
I'm not pretty sure if the outcome would have been any different if he did re-raise, AQ it's a hand almost everybody calls no matter what
Had a similar hand to this a while back in a 10NL 6max game. UTG limps, it folds round to me in big blind and I have Kc2c. I raise to try and steal the limp and the small blind but UTG calls. I flop a flush, can’t decide whether to bet or go for a check-raise. I go for the check-raise and UTG bets half pot, so I raise it up for 3.5x and he still calls. Inevitably a 4th club comes on the turn. I call down UTG’s bets on turn and river and of course he shows Ac with some offsuit card. So infuriating. Should have folded on the turn but it’s so difficult to lay down second nuts.
Great stuff, thanks for this vid BR79!
Thanks OR!
I don't know why but you were really good at explaining and giving a lot of gold nuggets in this video ... either you improved as a teacher or it was just luck on this one video :))
Haha guess I will take that as a compliment, thanks for watching!
But you’re posting blind FOR POSITION immediately.
Do you not account for that edge in your analysis of posting dead??
bet sizing is a huge thing for micro/ small stakes. in regard to this hand, fish will call with even a 1% chance and they get lucky once in awhile. in this case fish got lucky. bad cooler, it happens
Gr8 vid! Lots to take away. I would expect V to raise the flop with his AJ-QJ. As he only called, his range should consist of broadways with a spade, 66-99 with a spade, or middling offsuit jacks like JT. All of these hands would have been put in a nightmare spot had H shipped the turn.
Thanks Tom glad this one helped!
Hi, Nathan! Thank you for your videos. I really like to watch it. I hope it can help me to improve my game. Please tell me, how can i send my hands to you for analysis?
Hi, glad my videos help. You can email me your hand. I have so many already though. The video will not be until 2021 :)
Nathan, what is that blind posting that you're talking about? Is that what players do when sitting at the table and are offered to post a blind so they don't have to wait for bb, or are you reffering to some other action?
Yes, exactly what you said.
In this case the Villain must have been sitting out and missed a round of blinds. Then you are offered to post a BB and a dead SB, which PokerStars call "penalty blind". If he just sat down, it would only be a BB.
Wow. I used to always just "pay the man his money" and start playing as soon as possible. Never thought about this kind of edge. Interesting.
Hero made the first mistake already before hand has started by not having full stack.
Great video but I dont understand about paying tax twice .the villain that posted from early positiin may have had a great hand? If he limped, late position may go in harder thinking villain had a weak hand ?
The villain who posted a blind did so from the cutoff, not early position. In any case, there is no reason to ever post a blind in a 6max game. It's just throwing away money.
Please understand that I am talking about posting the blinds to get into the action, not posting a regular blind lol.
@@BlackRain79Poker I'm new to this but how come he wasn't already in the action and wasn't he trying to show strength to late position? Thanks for your response and great videos .I play cash games .not tournament currently
A posted blind is just like a regular blind or a straddle. Its a blind bet with a random hand, before you even get to look at your cards. The reason, you have to post to get dealth in right away, is because, otherwise people could just sit out, every time it was their turn to pay the big blind, and this would obviously not be fair. Therefore you always need to either play your first hand in the big blind or post, when we are talking about cash games. Tournaments are different, because you can not take your buyin with you, if you leave after a few hands.
@@fundiver198 great answer .thank you so much for informing me
Playing half stacked half the variance. Winrate is measured in bb/100 and not in winning 500bb pots/100. It’s not bad if you play short stacked
Not bad, just not optimal (if winning the most $$$ is your goal).
Great stuff Nathan! I’d like to know your opinion about the “cash out” option on PS, in the example hand we could cash out on the turn if he call us down when playing it like you recommend. I find myself more willing to play now with this cash out thing, because I don’t get 🥊 by variance...even though I’m not winning at NL5 yet...maybe you could make a video about this. Cheers!
Thanks Chupe! I don't have any opinion on it yet.
Hi, Nathan! I've watched a lot of your vids and you've helped me a great deal when starting out in poker.
However, I think there's a little mistake that you're often making in these lessons when assuming that NL5 players on PokerStars are that wild. I assume that you played these stakes some time ago, since today on PokerStars (and any major legit poker site, as far as I know) NL5 is pretty nitty. Yeah, there is still fish and nonsense play to be found, but as far as I know, NL5 on Stars has got a ton of (semi) regs. They make obvious mistakes, but I think that is pretty far from what can be heard in many of your videos.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong (which I hope I am).
Thank you for your effort! I really appreciate your work.
Glad my videos are helping you Vuk! Yes, NL5 games are often tight these days. This is why table selection is so important in my opinion.
hi guys, may I ask, if on turn we raise around 2 dollar and the villain respond with ship all in, would you still calling ? or fold ? and why is that ? Thanks!
Snap call. Like I said in the video, the range of hands that beats us is so narrow and we would be pot committed after making it $2 anyways.
thanks for the answer !
I am always kinda scare in this situation , because from your book, turn raises is almost always a nuts, and if this guys raising my raise, I almost always feel like he had it . ( unless he is a maniac ). but ya I can kinda understand what you say since we are pot commited already, that is no way to fold already.
if you don't mind ,Would you prefer to just jam on the turn or raise 2 dollar and see how he respond ? and why ?
Thanks!
I'd shove. On the turn we have the best hand and curse him if he gets there but 9 outs (18%) ev I'd take that action all day. It's like AA vs KK. Same odds
Excellent.
Thanks.
Hi, where can we send a interesting hand for review? Thanks
You can email it to me, but honestly I have so many, it will be 2021 before the video is released.
The early blind post worked he got a steal attempt how is that not good.
I'd just fold. If it folded to me I'd open. K.I.S.S. or am I wrong? I feel I've finally evolved from being a fish at the micros. I'm crushing it now! Never thought I would continually 4 and 5x my buy ins on all 4 tables often. Just put $20 on bovada and got my roll to $206 so I'm doing something right. Again I'm folding or opening in this spot, I'm open to someone correcting me on it, thanks!
Nice work Poker Savage building the bankroll, keep it up!
Yuck call preflop. Circa -1.00 EV move.
Whole point of the video is playing correctly pre-flop so you dont get into these tough spots post flop. 5x raise from MP is gonna be strong in my eyes regardless of the player and you have a second caller that makes it more likely that your hand is way behind. This is an easy fold for me pre flop
Your argument that playing short-stack is less profitable doesn't really add up. Because you have less skin in the game, you can play a higher stake table with the same risk so your potential profit in real terms can be at least as good. Yes - the players will be a little more skilled. But if you play an accurate short-stack game even the regs will likely leak against you - because very few players understand how to counter you properly. Almost all the books and training sites focus on full-stack play. Plus players often tilt against short-stackers. Honing your short-stack game also pays dividends in tournament play, because you will almost always be short-stacked at some point. And it provides some variety from full-stack play. I play short stack at a room with no HUDs and the ability to change your id regularly - so no-one can see you coming. Just playing ABC short-stack poker with a sound strategy is pretty profitable and easy to multi-table.
Wich site brother?
Selective memory but villain will miss the river more then he’s going to hit it tbh.
Even more of a reason to get the money in early.
thanx 4 the upload. I agree with some of these commentaries below.
1.Its not the best starting hand but OK that's the HERO's choice.
2. the fact there's a pair on board should always be a concern. (Doyle Brunson once said 'never chase a flush when there's a pair on board)
.3. the betsize on the turn was a bit low maybe but the fact he called and betted the river made me think he had a) A flush, b) Boat.
Don't feel sad, last night somebody CALLED my straight with 10 7 flush !!!! (flop 4x bet with 67s on BB) preflop limping BS low stakes
This is a hand that I would play only from BU or CO and if only no one has entered the pot before me.
Fold preflop. If we squeeze here, that would mean that we're raising with at least 1/3 of the deck. We just have so many better hands, it's really not necessary to use this one.
Calling though is like the worst of the three options, there's absolutely no reason for that.
Postflop the problem is bet size, obviously. Stacks should've been in the middle by the time we get to the river.
And as for preflop range of the isolator I'd just assume he's raising his standard RFI range here. Isolating posters, unlike isolating limpers, doesn't mean that the limper has any interest in the hand, it's just pure dead money in the pot. Maybe he raises a bit wider because of that, but because of the 5x size he can't really raise too many hands - otherwise he'd have a huge problem playing against 3-bets.
I think folding preflop is the best play as well.
ABC:
Always
Be
Calling
Haha :)
Bad and inexperienced players invite difficult positions on themselves by bad pre flop play mostly and on the flop...really good players eliminate these risks mostly just by solid ABC TAG play
I would fold preflop.
Gotta charge MAXIMUM to draw out on you. Either that, or just fold and wait for next hand and a better spot.
Alarm bells ringing when villain 9 flat calls the bet pre flop. (I don't mind opening with this or defending a steal but I'm never flatting with this) he should've folded IMO
In every cash game pre-flop fold.
Play with a short stack so people think you suck, not only that if you start short stack then grow to big stack no one know the differences....
Well it’s actually worst than paying taxes twice. With taxes you get a refund.
I like checking the flop here against any sort of competent player
he should have raised his k7 spades all in pre flop daaaaaa
If the let me see the flop for free I would have but then folded when I didn't hit
terrible playing in this hand. If you have the second nuts flush do not let it get to the river
Maybe he was scammed by pokerstars with the rigged rng?
doyle brunson would have bet into them
Doyle = GOAT!
"Guys, " "guys," "guys." STOP IT!
i would have folded
Bob the butcher
I almost wish you didn't make this video lol
Yeah thanks for sending in the video Bob.....now quit poker
Eh, that's a bit rough, Bob is a nice guy :)
I really don't like your logic on a LOT of analysis you give. Your whole "bet theory" is to get them to "fold draws" but you also want to get value out of those hands. You basically sound like a scared old man that is scared your opponent is going to draw out every hand. You want them in there with bad draws and you want them to call your value raises so pushing them out of the pot is dumb. Betting 1/3 pot is 100% standard and you can size up on turns. If your opponenet is calling 100% cbets at 30% bet you're printing money by betting all kinds of holdings for 30% and then also you can size up on the turn to 2/3 pot.
Furthermore it is highly unprofitable to Cbet big as a bluff when youre opponent doesn't understand bet sizing. If they are calling 30% they are calling 70% so a small bet accomplishes same thing as a big bet on the flop.
Then on top of all that you don't even make a decision in this hand you analyzed, you're just saying "well I wouldn't be in this spot" because YOU don't know what to do here. You can't even make a decision on whether to call or fold, I have zero respect for you.
Thanks for the feedback FAL!