Havana Syndrome: Shadow war against the US? | DW News Desk
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- The "Havana Syndrome" experienced by US diplomats may have been related to a Russian intelligence unit, according to a media investigation released on Monday. The syndrome was first reported in 2016 when US diplomats in Havana reported falling ill and hearing piercing sounds at night. Other symptoms have included bloody noses, headaches, memory lapses, dizziness and vision problems.
Diplomats may have been targeted by sonic weaponry, according to a joint report by the German news magazine Der Spiegel, the Latvia-based independent Russian news portal The Insider and the US broadcaster CBS. They reported that an investigation spanning a year had "uncovered evidence suggesting that unexplained anomalous health incidents, also known as Havana Syndrome, may have their origin in the use of directed energy weapons wielded by members of Russian GRU Unit 29155."
The Kremlin dismissed the allegations made in the trio of media outlets' reports as "groundless."
The US has had mixed reactions to reports of Havana syndrome cases. In 2021, US Congress passed the Havana Act, which authorized government agencies to pay staff and their families affected by the condition.
However, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a report in 2023 that it was "very unlikely" the syndrome was being caused by international sabotage, adding that "there is no credible evidence that a foreign adversary has a weapon or collection device that is causing [anomalous health incidents]."
#Russia #USA #shadowwar
00:00 NewsDesk start & welcome
04:00 Background on the 'Havana Syndrome'
11:07 Guest Melissa Chan: Political situation as cases first become public
16:28 Guest Roman Dobrokhotov: Investigation of alleged Russian connection
20:24 What evidence points to directed energy weapon?
22:34 'Havana Syndrome' injuries
26:52 US response to 'Havana Syndrome' cases
29:50 New evidence still emerging
31:20 Acoustic weapon research & development
37:16 Reactions from chat
38:05 How 'Havana Syndrome' affects victims
41:50 How a microwave can inflict damage
42:54 What could be Russia's motive
47:07 Roman Dobrokhotov: "No way" Putin isn't aware
48:15 Psychological form of warfare
51:44 Takeaways
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Thank you for covering this topic and inviting Roman Dobrokhotov.
He gave a brilliant overview of their investigation report. 👍
I hope usage of energy weapons against diplomats will be investigated further.
45:40 the research never stopped, it just went unddrground. The US government has so much capability you wouldnt believe
Absolutely true, Godly powers, and misuse Of that power on innocent immigrants who only came to USA for better future , what a shame
New Cold War? When exactly did the Cold War end? The Cold War has been ongoing my friends.
It's new in the sense that we're no longer debating capitalism and socialism.
The new divide is between democracy and autocracy. Freedom and tyranny.
This leaves people in agony for life. They do it to diplomats also.
Why did the US give advance warning to them re a certain recent event ? Beyond me. 'They' are not the West's friends at all. Nor advocating that event, just feel total indifference. Like 'they' do to the West.
They can do what they want to the politicians and the fbi I don’t care
The Canadian Embassy staff in Havana also suffered from Havana syndrome. Why would the Cubans alttack a Canada that has always recognized them, maintained relations with them and provided a means for the Cubans to connect with the "outside" Western World? It doesn't make sense unless it was ordered by a not-so-educated commander who looked at a map and assumed that the US and Canada are "the same".
Might not be the Cubans. It could be a test. Let us see what they say, and what type of energy (sounds, electromagnetism, other?) is inferred to be used.
Canadian diplomats were totally aligned with US targets since Canadians were at the time e.g. the biggest tourist group (first direct flights from Montreal and Toronto to Havanna)
@@bartholomewmanegold6039 That's not "totally " aligned with Americans. There have been long chunks of history in which Americans were not allowed to vacation in Cuba. I suppose in a way, the Americans were aligning themselves with the Canadians, not the other way around.
Field practice
China has had a trade war and diplomatic rift with China for a while now.
Back in 2018 Canada arrested the Huawei CFO in Vancouver.
Russia sees Canada as yet another NATO arctic competitor.
This is not at all surprising to anyone educated on the history, and familiar with Putin's russia and their MO.
Yup. Exactly.
I think we are at the point now, however, where a majority of our population was NOT alive during the Cold War. Or, maybe half the population.
Those of us who were - or who have studied Cold War history in any detail - know how much this is simply a extension of age old tactics employed by Moscow.
Going forward, we need to try to persuade China to at least prevent Russia from doing its worst. There's still hope that China won't simply ape the geopolitical behavior of the Cold War superpowers. They'll be aggressive and their authoritarianism is troubling, but their history suggests that they might not be quite as aggressive as the Russians have been.
@@RobespierreThePoof While US bans advanced chip making machines and sells arms to taiwan a country doesn't have a diplomatic ties and arming Indo pacific, you expect China to help West lol! We all are already in cold war. Don't expect China to do any favors while you're not doing any for them
@@alystero8838 You sound really confused and not saying anything remotely relevant to the matter at hand. It is in China's best interests to keep russia on a leash. Given its entirely export based economy, and how every other major economic sector in china has crashed (banking, construction), China's survival depends on their being a stable global order with peaceful relations. They cannot survive on their own.
You need an RF engineer on the panel
On "60min" a victim was able to record the sound. You are saying there is no real sound ...only a brain creation because microwave action..
What you talk 7 years on Havana nobody help. Nobody imagine what is it.
It's good old fashioned stress-induced burnout in most cases I reckon.
7 years on Havana, sounds like you are on some special type of medication. What is it?
@@Angelicaarchangelica no they use signals in streets cook head make sonic attack and type with people. It’s not medicine security chief told Havana syndrome. But they don’t turn this off and destroy health 7 years.
thanks guys for elaboration .
Good piece, DW is doing well in a world where MSM is failing.
Look up Targeted Individuals and you will see that this is the motherload of wormholes
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why are you typing and clicking over the mic,.....irritating
Why did you not bring an RF engineer on the show?? They would provide raw science on how this works. Invite me and ill tell you all you need to know about this weapon.
Why not share your knowledge in the comment section or provide a link to a UA-cam video on the subject!!.🤔
If you know about it and want to be on the show, you should give a sample of your knowledge here in the comments. Thank you!
@caravanstuff2827 yea sure so at most rf frequencies, all have some ability to penetrate human skin and deposit the energy. Too low of frequency doesn't work because the wavelength is too long and there's little voltage potential across different points in the human body like AM/FM radio. There's also very strict regulations on power output from radio towers. Too high of frequency would reflect off the skin and not penetrate. The sweet spot is 1-3 GHz where biomedical research is being done at these frequencies to use RF energy to identify and eliminate cancerous tissue by heating it up and killing the cells without requiring invasive surgery. This is challenging because precise control is needed to identify cancerous tissue vs non cancerous and also antennas have sidelobes which leak power to unintended directions.
Now as a Russian spy committing attacks on US diplomats, you don't care about the health and safety of these RF transmitters, then you have yourself a weapon. Most rf engineers could design a transmitter to output a decent amount of power. FCC regulations ensure a max power density of 1W/m^2 unpon the human body for safety, but most common transmitters with amplifiers can output 10W (~40dBm) and use directive antennas to focus this power over a narrow area such as a brain. This is well over the limit that can begin to destroy brain tissue. Due to FCC regulations, they can see these big sources of energy, so the Russians committing these attacks need to pulse the control from a remote vehicle at night and not for long so as to not anger FCC agents which can track their location.
Now identifying the location of this offending source can only be done when it's activated, and based on the victims stories, some people experience a huge amount of pain immediately (indicating high rf power) and others a mild discomfort (less power) which indicates that some attackers probably have the offending source on all the time but transmit low enough power so that the FCC cannot detect it. The damage is then like a slow burn that degrades cognitive abilities over the course of months.
To track these devices, all you need is a handheld VNA with up to 3Ghz bandwidth which will cost around $150 and a directive broadband antenna. I recommend the TSA800 on amazon for $40. You basically point the antenna around and look for the frequency with most power and which direction it comes from. Kind of like a hot/cold detector until you hone in on the offending sources location. The offending transmitter could be in the walls, vents, near a window, but you could find it pretty easily and for cheap.
Hope this in depth explanation helps!
@@mmn149 see my reply to caravan
@@jacobrandall4891 Thank you, they really shoud invite you. But is it really even thinkable that the US doesn't have a simple rf power meter in their embassies on the ready? Or that the rf beam could be focussed so narrowly that it couldn't be detected? And why the reported accustic phenomenon? I accept, that there is a possibility and clearly similar weapons do exist, but I remain sceptic.
Really nice News Deck!
It has been for years. Microwaves and other forms of energy seem beyond common rationality.
For the ignorant maybe....
We’ve had microwaves for years, I can’t believe people still deny their existence I cook food in mien everyday
Really? Micro= small Waves= 🌊
19:00 I missed the live - hopefully about the technical facility will be talked later on.
Take this with a grain of salt: I have heard that Havana syndrome is usually caused as an unintended side effect of wall-penetrating remote surveillance equipment. Particularly, when multiple surveillance devices are targeted overlapping on the same area, there is a risk of higher energy exposure due to constructive wave interference. Essentially, if Russia, Cuba, and the USA attempt to spy on the same room at the same time, there is a high risk of unintended injury of the occupant. Regular citizens don’t need to be concerned for their own safety from Havana syndrome because they’re typically easy enough to surveil via other (safer and more convenient) means anyways and they are less likely to be targeted by spies.
You’re referring to remote viewing.
interesting and plausible.
Are you referring to the "Bug" placed in a carved figure presented to the US embassy in Russia? Brilliant device no power is needed except for the transmission to activate it it was called "The Thing, also known as the Great Seal bug" available on Wikipedia.
There r thousands of people hit all over the world.
It's happening in Indianapolis, IN
Talk to the FBI about it.
They have an office here.
Every country with a half decent military arsenal has these weapons, they're used on all sides against adversaries and civilians. Some are mounted to mobile hardware like drones. It can be used to single out an individual or mass crowd. There are many types of these weapons including lazer, sonic, radiation, electrical pulse
Gangstalkers use this kind of weapon on the IT
The clown from the sewer?
Anyone know how to block these. Frequencies.
The great frequency battle is soon upon us
faraday cage can block some range of RF . Even tin-foil I guess can protect the body from microwave .
Funny enough, a grounded tin foil hat
@@jacobrandall4891😂 👍
Honestly, don’t know if you’re super serious or not, but a long time ago, like 6 years ago, I googled this question. I found something interesting. It looked like there was a Swedish company/entrepreneur that had invented a jamming device for this. You could buy a little handheld version to stick in your pocket. Or like a briefcase size one that has a longer range. I am super skeptical by nature, so I looked up reviews and videos. There was no shortage of people claiming “I always had to have a tv on or something to draw my attention away from it. Then after buying this thing and turning it on, it helped considerably, like 75% of the volume.” I understand that it wouldn’t be impossible to stage a few videos and reviews to sell your product, and I know that people that suffer from this stuff may be a little desperate for hope, but I thought that there might be something to it, ya know? I mean, I would think that countering it with an electromagnetic device would be the way to go.
I heard once that sometimes to overpower a signal all you have to do is broadcast your signal stronger than theirs. I’m sure this science is way more sophisticated than that but like I said, a counter EM field would probably be the answer IF there was an answer.
I'm glad someone is talking about stuff I couldn't say before, even if no one is being blamed yet. These things hurt people and make you scared and want to run away for your life (or what is left of it). In Eastern Europe, even people who did nothing wrong get targeted by mistake. You don’t have to be high rank. I hope nobody else has to go through this.
I wear a glass bowl around my head to shield me from harmful radio waves
It not likely about geographical location. This weapon probably is small and can be placed anywhere. I don't think Russia alone has this technology.
By small... do you mean it just fits in the box of an Ford F-150... if there is three guys around to lift it in? Because, otherwise, there's some real problems.. with at least... thermodynamics.
The US and Russia have had this tech for decades, albeit with different research directions. Directed energy weapons are used actively on some US military bases for area denial. The Russians seem to have went and developed a special-use sonic “laser” or microwave laser.
I suspect this is a wireless data theft tool that has the unintended consequence of harming living things. The calculus for the FSB must be that the data on diplomat's devices is more important than the health of the diplomat. My guess is that they would prefer if it didn't harm people, as if it did not, the capability would still be a secret
Wrong. Russia is taking advantage of your lack of knowledge on the topic. If they were monitoring data for theft, they'd be receiving, not transmitting. They also would most likely be transmitting 1-2 GHz to penetrative the human body the best. Wifi and Bluetooth are 2.5GHz or 5.8GHz. These frequencies are not good at penetrative human skin. To damage organs, they'd need over 30 dBm power levels ( way over the FCC limit). No one is transmitting this much power unless the intent is to harm
Question is why this people, specific? They are diplomats but most of them are low level in diplomacy. No ambassadors, no secretaries, those people. Another question is if some device is in use, somebody must to wear that device and be very close to persons of interest.
Sounds like conspiracy
The weapon is also used in Amsterdam against irianian dissidents
Jij gelooft dit?
The Mass hysteria explanation was never a good one. Disabling tinnitus is serious. By contrast being bothered by existing moderate tinnitus can occur due to suggestion and resulting fixation.
Very good comment
It is likely to be laser guided high pitched infrasound technology.
Only thing I get from these high energy weapons is highly powerful bowel movement.
Stay skeptical people, theres way too many unanswered questions.
Is this also happening in India?
Working out this way of influencing brains requires many attempts on humans. It is necessary to calculate the damaging, but not fatal dose of radiation, the distance, the influence of windows, walls, etc. On whom did the Russians do these experiments?
you looked for the meaning and reason in their discussion, the show is not addressed to those with good sense and reason, it is only for the manipulation of those with a little mind🤣🤣
@@norinretrescu2474 Facts
In all reported cases the people consumed DANK WEED, and then reported Cubans listening to their thoughts.
I watched the 60 minutes episodes of the Havana Syndrome, they did a series of stories over years and they did such amazing journalism and investigation on this very real issue. You show here is a very sad misrepresentation. Giggling reporters exclaiming over "mass hysteria" disgraceful. I am turning this off.
Defense measure: move! Duck! Go around a corner! Take cover or ne a moving target!
If effects cease when you utilize these measures, it's an indication that you're really are being affected.
I know it's not sexy to talk about the short tail West Indies cricket mating call, but a recording of it was played for some of the victims in Havana and they said yes that's it! After listening to a recording of it myself, I would go insane after 5 minutes. It is such a high-pitched sound.
"Готы, подумали попугаи.. Геи, подумали в'ороны.."
How to discredit yourself 101
Sounds like if North America can't figure it out. Blame it on someone else
is this about the cuban crickets? LOL . how many times does it have to be disproven ?
Can you guys help people that are a victim of this?😢
I’m sure there is a lot of countries that have weapons that does unusual things to people.
But there is one particular country that actually uses them against diplomats! 😠
Wow... the timing of this. I had to check the comments to see if this was an April's fool joke. I guess not...
it's been in the news for at least 5years
@@ccalex8548 well, I must have missed it. There's a lot of information to take in these days. Easy to miss stuff admidst the overload.
We need to focus on the humans, she says.
But I wanted to hear more about the bears and camels
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It was the same mindset when “Morgellons” first appeared. That’s what this reminds me of. Does anyone truly know what their perspective governments are concocting today in the labs?
I am definitely suspicious govt is doing embryo genetics research
Imagine how many Russians became a subject of that research.. That explains much about current Russia, I suspect
What a bunch of nonsense.
So sorry. U is wrong
Jag tror att jag avslutar prenumerationen dw.
Detta är det jävligaste jag hört och tittat ! På år och dagar 😮
Vad är det du tyckte va så jävligt? =D
Att det skulle vara ett super vapen från ryssland.
En näsvis fråga är du från domsjö.
@@jonssonchrister2418 Det finns överallt 🤣🤣
People claiming their work compensation lol
I'm pretty sure they fried Elon Musk's brain too.
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He fried his own brain with drug use.
The Insider, as one of the experts 😂😂😂
It sertenly does exist.
They said russia had this weapon in the 1980s....... RTW weapons.. reverse time waves... go look it up
Could it be US govt placing some sort of chips inside their personnel bodies or US government using some special devices on their premises for blocking listening devices or something. My first thought would be if it’s linked to embassies of mostly one country, that this country is the first culprit
Hello, sorry to bother you, but to be honest, we haven't met before. I found your profile here and I kind of like your sense of reasoning,I hope you don't mind me knowing you more?
@@JudasGPierre Gosh. I’m just joking.This whole “report” is ridiculous
@@annas6547 you're right and I admire you Sense of judgement,where are you texting from
@@annas6547 Hey Anna
SOS from Victims worldwide⭐
Not Russia.
This is what is being used on us too in the uk bus some agencies…
A laser can deliver messages directly to your ear from across the room - Nov 4, 2019
The Sound Gun That Will Leave You Speechless - March 6 2012
SASERs .. sound amplification by stimulated emission of radiation
Phonons
LRAD and directional sound
The scientific explanation apparently hasn't advanced in the past couple years. The Frey effect does not seem sufficiently strong. The correlation of GRU officer(s), apparently 2x out of "a thousand" is also problematic.
Something is likey happening, but this is all very weak ideas of mechanisms.
Everyone is doing a lot more mistakes than usually in the western world. I heard a public servant saying once that the Chinese was planning to make westerners dumb by poisoning their foods and goods in order to dominate the world. Maybe it is working, lol. That was in 2014. Jesus!! 10 years ago.
It is likely, not likey
@Angelicaarchangelica I think it is likely there is some real form of attacks that have occurred, but that whatever is causing it, the tech mechanism is still not understood.
@@thomasodonnell2960 Yes, I guess that is why their personnel need such an extreme security clearance so that they can be sure that top secret will be top secret and no one will see it coming. 😂😂 I guess, I don't really know, I just hope for the best really, it is all that we, average people without high level clearance, can do. I could do better without my sarcasm I suppose, you never know when the wrong person may read your sarcastic jokes online 😂😂 the world is getting a little too sensitive.
What nonsense 🙄
There's something called an "electro-harmonic" effect I think could apply to this
Russia, US and China have this tech and have had it for a long time, also heard of China using this often against diplomats that arent so supporting of commienism. I would be thinking Russia using it for the same reason, get rid of the diplomats you dont like and try to keep the ones you do and are atleast are a benefit.
US is too then 😂
Well, only one country came to my mind when listening to this video, the country did some experience on Bikiny irlands
Technically possibly speaking, it could be the size of a grain of rice. Like a dog's nano chip 🤣
Hello, sorry to bother you, but to be honest, we haven't met before. I found your profile here and I kind of like your sense of reasoning,I hope you don't mind me knowing you more?
@@JudasGPierre I don't mind, tell me about yourself?
@@Angelicaarchangelica I'm Judas Pierre from Loveland Ohio presently texting from Ireland and you dear friend??
@@JudasGPierre I am Clear Jensen, obviously 😊
@@Angelicaarchangelica comment
It’s a lot of Russian bots in this comment section 😂😂 eyes open people
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actually is not havana syndrome... is more to "I am screwed " syndromLOL
I still always laugh when I hear "ruzzian-intelligence" 😂 ...
I think d technology is currently being used in treatment of patients in hospitals
Har aldrig hört talas om det
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Lol sure, and captain Kirk beams down from the Enterprise.
Has anyone considered this being stress-induced panic attacks / burnout instead of some magically revolutionary EM / sonic weapon that is both 1: powerful enough to affect humans and 2: precise enough to target individual people?
Spies famously have quite stressful lives.
Obviously I feel bad for the people affected by this, long-term effects of burnout can be very obscure and hard to learn to live with.
Hard to say, however even Tesla believed a energy weapon could be devised using accelerated mercury that would cut anything
Sorry. U is wrong. Nice try though. Might want to consider other possibilities
Do I believe that? I don't do believing. You either prove it or not, right?
This is a tough situation. Highly advanced weapons. Difficult to prove.
@@annthomson5648 What do you mean, what are you referring to?
I believe the investigation is correct, they must have driven by the White House one day, that would totally explain sleepy Joe's condition! LMAO
Laughing
It's certainly real, reports show it follows targets as they try evade the weapons effects. I wonder what level of atmosphere and what frequencies are used for it can have such effect from such distances. I'd doubt the troposphere as UAV oft need refueling. Some very low orbit weapon? Victims targeted align with Russian interests. Recent tech improvements of China & it's alignment with Russia probably. Terrible that people can be targeted accurately with impunity.
these are weapons confiscated by the Russians from the Jedi Knights when they landed in Moscow🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@norinretrescu2474 Energy weapons are common. Google ADS Active Denial System. A High freq RF emitter used as a nonlethal deterent. Police use it. Russia uses anti drone guns themselves. An enemies energy weapon targeting whomever from wherever is not funny, not a joke. People have permanent brain damage from this.
You cant run from your own paranoia LOL
Russian psyops stronk
Why such a large discussion on such a topic! There are many more important topics to actually discuss.
Russia is also developing a method for creating a _sharknado_
This is the definitive explanation
Surreee
Lol
Wasn't this first reported almost a decade ago?
Wars and rumors of Wars, since 70 ad and Jesus foretold what will happen, our past, he preached it would be furure
Wtf does jesus have to do with this?🤣 Jesus was trying to tell people that microwaves would be used as a weapon? Tf u talking bout? 🤣
I also develop headache and ear pain when my neighbour plays music loudly. The construction of the building is also bad. Maybe that may be the reason
This is like some scifi bs no way people are actually buying this story
They will and musk will try and fail to build it and not sell it on Amazon if it had, by some miracle advice from a stable genius, made it work.
You can sell libs every story you want if it puts Russia, North Korea, Cuba or China. They eat up EVERYTHING. lol
The male anchor on the left sounds very naive.
😁😁😁😏😂😁😁never took me long to realize dw staff ignorance 😁😁😁😁
Ha ha ha ha!!!
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what a clown show
Get a job…..
Great show, but please lose the typing noises, unprofessional and distracting. You can afford a soft keyboard.
😁😁havana syndromd is the effect of drug usa embassy staff were sniffing😁😁😁😁the funniest thing was canada government which is lap dancer of usa was the first to shout "our embassy staff were also affected by havanna syndrome"😁😁😁😁
No medical evidence 😂
No they have that too lol
Stop make a 'ie on russia . Shame on you!!!
The u.s. is doing this.
To much cocane if you ask me
Isnt that just because you're very interested in inserting doubt that it was Russia?
@@coreyleander7911 So one should just accept this rumours. I have never even heard of this disease, and how they are saying is mass hysteria if there's only some hundred of cases aroung the world in a decade? this is not even something statistically significant to make any studies.
CONSPIRACY
So what is the new evidence? Oh let me guess it’s classified lol
Evidence is in the report.
KGB agents came to US embassies on the exact dates of the attack. There are records of their airplane tickets.
And victims recognized photos of perpetrators.