Every NFL Team's WORST Starting QB
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6:30- Dan Orloskvy* honorable mention
Kim McQuilken is a worse quarterback than Randy Johnson. McQuilken made seven starts, had four touchdowns to 29 picks, and a career passer rating of 17.9, which is worse than if he did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play.
Damn I didn't realize he was that bad
Secret Base enjoyer I see
It's a reference to a youtuber Jaguar something. I can't for the life of me remember the channel name right now
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I’m surprised Nathan Peterman wasn’t mentioned for the Bills. We had to sit there and watch him hand over the ball to the chargers 5 times in one half. Dude was absolutely treacherous for us in Buffalo.
I expected EJ Manuel, especially because of his draft position.
I'll go old school: Dan Darragh and Gary Marangi.
...and then Peterman came in on the last drive of the playoff game against Jacksonville after the injury to Taylor, and promptly threw an interception to end the game.
@@IHateNicolasCage Rob "Robosack" Johnson would've been my guess.
Never should have sat Doug Flutie to start Johnson for the playoff game. @@Tyrunner0097
“Groper Cleveland” is possibly the best nickname in sports history.
Watson deserves a nickname
@@marioaustin9312 Watson also deserved jailtime lol
@@marioaustin9312rapey Watson has a nice ring to it
Nasty Man 4
He stole it from Barry McCockner
I’ll never forget how painful the 2017 season was as a Packers fan knowing that I was about to watch Brett Hundley throw interceptions for 3 hours. The one that sticks out the most was how he almost lost to the Browns. **THE YEAR THEY WENT WINLESS.**
Hundley vs Kizer might be one of the worst QB duels of all time
Well deserved after 30 years of HoF QB play 😅
Rich Campbell is far worse than those two.
Thanks for doing justice for David Carr. He's put on some biggest busts list, but why? No quarterback could survive getting rushed over 70 times behind that shameful excuse of an offensive line.
I always thought David Carr got a bad rap.
Carr gets a bad rap, but I don’t think it’s entirely justified. He wasn’t a great 1st pick but nobody could’ve developed under those conditions, and especially not with that offensive line.
At least he got a Super Bowl ring with the Giants for all his pain and suffering
I think the opposite
people give him too much slack. Luck got sacked almost as much
What you on about, Lucks highest season was getting sacked 41 times. Besides an Oddity of 2003 David Carr in Huston was sacked AT LEAST 41 times in 5 years @@hia5235
Freeman only started one game for the Vikings. That was one of the most bizarre games ever. Freeman hardly knew anyone's name, and they threw him out there and the coaches made him pass on every play. It was as if they wanted him to fail to send a message to Spielman (GM).
Josh Dobbs laughs.
The 0-6 Giants had the worst defense in the league by miles coming into that game and shut the Vikings out except for a Marcus Sherels punt return TD.
@@johnchedsey1306Dobbs is kind of a badass, can’t wait to see him ball again.
just shows how outstanding that performance was. Helps of cause that the Falcons are clueless, having a 1st&Goal on the one, that turned into a FG from the 9 is just ass coaching. lol@@johnchedsey1306
@@jayteegambleI thought it was Patterson on a kick return
As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I already knew you were going to roast the living shit out of Paxton Lynch.
Paxton Lynch wasn't that bad just not built for NFL speed, he looked good in USFL
@@voiceofreason2674 Paxton Lynch got benched in the USFL lmao
@@CamCardTricks
The Panthers didn't have a great season last summer to begin with.
On a side note, the Packers are crazy to leave Alex McGough on the practice squad after winning two USFL rings. But then again, they have to make space for their draft rookie on the roster.
DaRealConMan; @ least Lynch didn't get roasted like John Beck did (i.e.: WORST QB on 2 different teams).
Rick Mirer wasn't the worst Seahawk QB, in spite of failing to live up to his draft pick; that almost definitely falls to Dan McGwire, who has also been mentioned multiple times here; I remember in 1992 trading away Marino and Elway cards... for a Dan McGwire NFL QB Club rookie.
It did NOT pay for my kids college.
I was going to say something similar. At least Mirer broke a few rookie QB records before becoming trash.
Stan Gelbaugh and Kelly Stouffer were also terrible in the '92 season.
Rick was the lazy choice...
I remember the hype around Stouffer and McGwire and the promise of future hope after Krieg. My goodness, they were both truly awful.
@@edogthebigdog i still remember watching a Monday night Seahawks game in 1992, with Gelbaugh. it was possibly the worst pro game i've ever watched in my whole life.
Kim McQuilken was legendarily bad for the early Falcons, but how did Dan Orlovsky not get the nod for Detroit?
Because Joey Harrington was worse.
Orlovsky had one bad moment during that 0-16 season.
@@andrewpadaetz5549 I mean, let's be honest. There were SEVERAL bad moments for Orlovsky. Just not NEARLY as many or as bad as Harrington. And more bright spots between them. And Dan was a 5th rounder intended as a backup. Joey was a #1 pick meant to be the QB of the future. More expectations on top of worse performance.
@@andrewpadaetz5549Dan Orlovsky had one bad mistake for the Lions - the Safety. Oh well, Dan was a great QB in High School and for UConn.
@@arthurpasseri4590 exactly.
if you could do this as a series for each individual position that would be really cool, great video thanks 5points
“Woah there mother fucker” bruh I lost it😂😂😂
While Croyle had a bigger body of work going 0-10 in starts, he never had much around him and was injury prone. The absolute worst QB to start a game for the Chief was Tyler Palko in 2011 who had a 2 TD to 7 INT (with one of those TDs being an absolutely lucky Hail Mary throw at the end of a half).
Man rough times
Ope, beat me to it. My cousin worked at a salon where Palko would get his hair cut, she said he'd make jokes about how bad he was. 🥲
Some crazy PTSD here. Chiefs have come a long way lmao
@@Bshiraz it’s like cheering for a different franchise nowadays in comparison to how it was back then. It’s a completely different fan experience. I was damn near conditioned to the chiefs not drafting a quarterback in the first round. When we actually MOVED UP (uncharacteristic move #1) to draft a quarterback in the first round (uncharacteristic move #2), I was through the roof.
Jesus christ tyler palko. I wouldn't have recalled that name without a prompt in a million years but I instantaneously recognize it
For the Bengals, you could also have picked David Klingler (4-20), very competitive with Akili's (3-14). You could even blame that Klingler's bad play, as well as Kijana Carter's knee injury, as causes for the Bengal's to have to draft Akili.
And they turned those two awful years with Akili into….Peter Warrick and…well Justin Smith turned out pretty good, but they only passed up LT, Richard Seymour, Reggie Wayne and Drew Brees.
The Bengals couldn’t draft worth a damn in the 90s-early 00s.
@@zlinedavid those teams were the real Corey Dillon experience
I would also pick David Klinger.
Not only because he was a bad QB, but with Boomer Esiason they shipped away a QB that led them to a Superbowl and various Playoff games.
It is not that Boomer was an old out of shape QB he was in his prime in 1992, proof of that when he came back in 1997 he won 4 of his 5 starts, so even at 36 he was better then Klinger has ever been.
The David Klingler area were the beginnings of a terrible time until they struck it right again with Carson Palmer.
@@thomaskurz5617 That’s true. Boomer was decent at worst in NY and Arizona. Pass on Klingler and get another position of need.
Knowing the Bengals back then, they’d have blown the pick anyway, but at least give them a chance. 😂
I’ll never forgive the 90s Bengals for the pain they caused my family
As bad as Mirer was, he might not have been the worst Seahawks QB of the 90s. Everyone who touched the position during the disastrous 1992 season is a nominee, but my vote goes to Dan McGwire. Not quite as famous as his baseball-playing brother Mark, Dan was drafted against the wishes of coach Chuck Knox who preferred Brett Favre. McGwire started five games with the Hawks, completing just over half of his passes for 2 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. The ugliest stat though is his adjusted net yards per attempt (my favorite one-stop shop QB stat), which was 2.16, less than half the league average at the time. That number means that the average outcome of a Dan McGwire drop back was just a bit over two yards gained.
How about Kelly Stouffer?
Old old school…..Johnny Unitas’s last year in the nfl he played for the Chargers. He had 3 tds and 7ints and averaged 94 yards per game. Oh, they lost a lot too.
Man, it's always depressing seeing legends of the game go out sad like that.
I’m a Bears fan that has the misfortune of being born after 85. Fields is the best QB we’ve had during that time that isn’t named Cutler or Kramer. He doesn’t deserve to even be mentioned in this video.
Kyle Orton was good for the Bears
Was Griese any good?
@@fortynights1513 No.
Quick fact: 56 the number of Super Bowls played and the number of quarterbacks with at least 1 start for the Bears in the SB era.
Every team's worst head coach next? Show us the other 31 Urban Meyer's of the league!
Worst Raider’s coaches are 1a Lane Kiffin 1b Josh McDaniels 2 Dennis Allen Also a sorry comedian.
Seeing John Beck TWICE on this list makes me (a BYU hater) laugh maniacally 😂😂😂
Nobody ever gives BYU a fair shake. Not even during their undefeated run in 1984.
I remember when BYU beat Oregon in a bowl game back in the 2000s. Headlines read "Oregon loses" after that.
To be fair against Bledsoe in Buffalo, he was never the same after Mo Lewis nearly killed him when Bledsoe was with the Patriots (the hit that was so hard, it ruptured a blood vessel in his chest which caused a hemothorax, causing Brady to step in from that point forward).
That story is pro wrestling levels of fakery. None of it holds up under any scrutiny.
I wonder which college had the most QB busts in the modern era. Herbert aside, Oregon comes to mind as well as my alma mater UCLA. I feel like Ohio State might be up there and USC has had some massive busts, as well. Maybe not the most original idea but maybe a video idea?
This is a great idea
Basically any QB at Alabama
The next Ohio State quarterback to make a pro bowl or all pro team will be the first
@@fortynights1513 get ready because CJ Stroud will undoubtedly make the pro bowl as a rookie
@@baileymcclain1094I mean they have 4 starting qbs in the nfl. Any qb before them wasn’t really a bust because there wasn’t expectations. They’ve never been qb-u
Aaron Brooks was on the same Raiders team as Andrew Walter. He actually lost every game he started in '06. Kerry Collins was also bad.
Barry McCockiner once said of Kerry Collins “He might be the worst quarterback to play as much as he did.”
@@fortynights15134 picks in Super Bowl XXXV
@@fortynights1513 nah that's Gus Frerotte. Barry is funny but he just looks at box scores
As a Saints fan let me blow your mind on Aaron Brooks and how he was the prototype to Aaron Rodgers. Mike McCarthy was our OC in his best season. And he said something about Brooks along the lines of "Brooks has such an arm that if we run 4 verticals and a check down he will never throw a pick it's either complete or out of bounds" that's EXACTLY what the 2011 Packers offense was.
@@NYG5Collins threw about 3,000 more passes than Freotte, so that statement could be said for both of them if you want
The Eagles had Kevin kolb, Mike McMahon, and quite a few other jokes at quarterback, but unlike Bobby hoying I didn't stand in line four hours as a kid to get their autograph, lol.
Mike Kafka
Brad Goebal, Jeff Kemp, Pat Ryan
thats superbowl winning "whoa there mother fucker"
Craig Whelihan might have been worse than Ryan Leaf for the Chargers. 2-12 as a starter, less than 50% completion percentage and just 14 TDs vs 29 Ints. He was so bad and part of the reason the Chargers had to attempt to draft a QB.
I absolutely agree with you. Whelihan was the worst
I said Bob Galinio. Very forgettable. Looked like Don knots scrambling
I as a life long charger fan forgot about that horrible Era. The was a mark Malone, Vlassic and a few other bums in between a decent run game and defense
Besides Stan Humphries, those were some dark days for the Chargers. Especially at quarterback. But winning percentage wise, Craig Whelihan was probably the worst.
@@honestbutuglyI remember some absolute gems like Billy Joe Toliver ,John Friesz, and Gale Gilbert... ./s
The Tom Grossi shoutout is apt at the moment.
Hey Five, the cowboys worst quarterback is Quincy Carter because he was supposed to give the franchise hope, and he just fucking didn’t
I was thinking the exact same.
His record isn't that terrible - 16W 15L, 56.5% comp, 29 TD, 36 INT. Compare that with Steve Pelluer - 8W 19L, 56.4% comp, 28 TD, 38 INT. Pelluer was worse than Testaverde IMHO.
You should do a Top 10 journeyman QB vid for ALL your fans. We'd even love to see a Top 10 list for best backups to finish a teams season after the numbee 1 gets injured (or benched).
@TheMILVSCR Fitzmagic would definitely be #1
@@alextrevino7304Tyrod Taylor, McCown, and Bridgewater are up there too. And Nick Files won a Superbowl but I'm not sure I'd put him under the journeyman class
DeBerg HAS to be on that list.
Nick Foles is the definitive choice for that award.
@@chargeentertainment2981Brian Hoyer
12:29 One of my favorite fan-gone-wild stories of all time is the guy who somehow drove into Three Rivers Stadium (pre-9/11 was a wild, lawless time, kids), sideswiped some concession stands, and found his way onto the field, kicking imaginary field goals while mumbling about how Mark Malone was making him crazy before he got arrested. EDIT: This was on a weekday and NOT during a game, just to be clear.
Prior to Jim McMahon, the Bears had Bob Avellini for 10 years. 33 tds, 69 ints. Wasted the first decade of Walter Payton's tenure with the team. So much so, the Bears used Payton as a QB from time to time!
Jeff George, Scott Tolzien, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles, Dan Orlovski, Mike Pagel. I've already had my martini, so I'm sure there are a few I'm forgetting. FYI, Indianapolis Colts fan from the beginning in 1984.
Jeff George is one of the most toxic but he could put up numbers. He wasn't one of those guys who couldn't even get drives going and coaches were too afraid to throw farther than 10 yards
Colts were trash between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning with a couple exceptions.
@@fortynights1513 Agreed!
People always scream RYAN LEAF! when it comes to the Chargers, but totally forget that era also included 14 starts for Craig Welihan, in which he went 2-12 and completed less than 48% of his throws, and 3 or 4 starts from Moses Moreno in which I don't think he threw a single TD pass. Really grim times in SD.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers Whelihan's futility. And I felt bad for Moses Moreno. I saw him play a lot of games at Colorado State and he was one of the better QBs that program ever had. But he was never NFL material.
The Chargers didn’t have good quarterback play between Stan Humphries and Drew Brees from the looks of it
Wasn't too bad once Doug Flutie arrived, but the second half of '97, '98, and '99 were a tough watch.@@fortynights1513
Jim Druckenmiller for the 49ers was the absolute worst for that team. DeBerg’s problem was he had zero offensive linemen, so 90% of his throws were made while getting sacked or running for his life.
Wasn’t he a first round pick?
@@fortynights1513 #26 overall in the draft
I’m a little surprised that Nathan Peterman wasn’t even mentioned for the Bills
That 9ers dude's pads had me cackling 😂😂😂
I wouldn't say Vinny Testaverde was Dallas's worst starting QB. He was bad. No doubt about it but Dallas had much worse QBs that started games like Quincy Carter, Drew Henson, Ryan Leaf, Matt Cassell and Clint Stoener. Cassell in particular is terrible because he threw an interception and an intentional grounding on the same play in a game he started for Dallas against the Jets.
Carter's record isn't actually that bad (not that it was good). You also forgot Steve Pelluer and Chad Hutchinson. Leaf, Henson and Stoener were backups, they never won the starting job, which should be a requirement for making this list.
Stoerner started 2 games. He lost both. Brandon Weeden was 0-4. Kellen Moore was 0-2. Eddie Lebanon was probably the worst winning. He was eventually replaced by Dandy Don.
The Broncos had a weird QB lineup in the early 2010s but I remember Kyle Orton for being so damn bad that Tebow got drafted to replace him
Orton was good, he won numerous games he had no business winning for several bad teams
Not the 2009 season opener in Cincinnati - the last minute of that game, at least.
Luv the "Groper Cleveland" reference RE: Deshaun Watson. That made me LMFAO!!!!!
Congratulations to Tom Grossi for getting a mention here. Is there anything he can't do ? Go Pack Go
also got a Barry McCockiner mention for the "Groper Cleveland"
it’s gotta be kim mcquilken for the falcons, his career stat line is sickening
One thing you forgot to mention about Lindley was that the 2014 season was not his first start. He started against the jets in 2012 and they lost 7-6 when Mark Sanchez was benched for Greg McElroy.
thats what makes it even worse, he was terrible in 2012 and somehow they brought him back in 2014
@@whaduzitmatr they didn’t really have much of a choice. In late 2014 Palmer, Stanton, and the third string who I can’t remember his name, were all hurt. There weren’t that many options available.
Chad Hutchinson was worse than Dallas-era Testaverde. Vinny never got out of the pocket but Chad couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.
To this day, I still call the lousy QB AI in Madden "Trent Edwards" (aka "Captain Checkdown") 😂
I was 100% expecting Nate Peterman to be the Bills worst quarterback.
Thank you I was trying to think of that dudes name as soon as I read the title
Samezies, it is shocking he isn't.
back before any of us were born (in 1968) they had an even worse QB than Peterman, though looking at his TD to TO ratio, it's hard to fathom
You should because Nate Peterman is the Bills worst quarterback (also worst Raiders and Bears quarterback if you go by career stats). Shaw threw 35 TDs and 68 Ints (67 for the Bills, 1 Int was in his 5 backup games for the St. Louis Cardinals), while Peterman threw 4 TDs to 13 Ints (however he threw 1 TD and 1 Int in his warm body work for the Bears, so only 3TDs to 12 Ints for the Bills), which is a way worse TD to Int ratio. Shaw had a career completion % of 52.9, while Peterman has a career completion % of 53.1 which is quite close except for the fact that Peterman's completion % has actually been boosted by his warm body work in Vegas & Chicago, with the Bills, Peterman's completion % was 52.3. Peterman threw for over 100 yards for the Bills in exactly 1 game going for 188 on 31 of 49 with 0 passing TDs (but 1 rushing TD) and 3 Ints for yards per attempt of 3.84. In Shaw's rookie season he threw for over 100 yards in 10 out of the 12 games he started (and 1 of the 2 games he came in as a back up), including over 300 yards twice, the lowest yards per attempt in any of those games was 4.44. Dennis Shaw won rookie of the year over (among others) Terry Bradshaw; he was a decent QB, but not great, definitely not good enough to elevate a bad team that ruined him over the course of his 3 years with the Bills. Peterman was never any good (other than to come in and throw dump off passes so the team doesn't get any quarterbacks they do care about hurt) but had the look that (old, white, racist) NFL owners want in an NFL QB so he got more chances than he should have - and that was still less than what Shaw got, because Shaw was a better QB.
Either FivePoints has some minimum numbers for games started, games played, or attempts that they didn't state - but absolutely should have and were wrong for not doing so, or they just flat out got this one wrong.
Funniest part was how the ridiculous clowns at WGR 550 were in lockstep demanding that Peterman be the starter. Peterman gets a start, throws 5 first half INTs and the next day they're all: "Who, us? We NEVER demanded Peterman start! Must be some other station you're thinking of!"
Congratulations to Cade McNown! Being the worst Bears QB of the Superbowl era is one heck of an achievement. He has as much competition as anyone in that regard.
Oh wow, Nathan Peterman is nowhere to be seen here. Thought for sure he'd be Buffalo's representative. I know it's a short sample size but he wouldn't have been alone.
But the man who couldn't win even with OJ Simpson in his backfield is a good choice too.
And it's always good to remember Jim Plunkett and Steve Young, hard, solid proof that if a system is truly garbage, no one player can fix it.
By the guy who couldn’t win with OJ would you mean Dennis Shaw or Dan Darragh?
I was thinking Josh McCown was the worst. I remember us losing to the Packers because of a intentional grounding instead of spiking the ball
Also, extra points to the Bears. Rick Mirer is also one of our worst QBs ever, except we traded a first round pick to Seattle for him. Just awful.
@@conorlaurenGary Marangi was pretty bad too
Eff that punk Cade McNown!
I need to understand why Nathan Peterman wasn't the Buffalo pick
Too short a sample size
@@chrisuncleahmad he used people who played 1 game
Commanders/Skins could literally have been Mark Sanchez for his spot start or Heath Shuler because of his draft spot and being an absolute bust with tiny hands.
Vinny Testerverde being the Cowboys’ worst QB ever? Well that’s a team not doing too bad then even if Vinny had a bad year with the team. Ryan Leaf at least has a happy ending for him, he’s been doing a lot better in his life than even in his first 10 years post retirement. As a Patriots fan I had no idea Jim Plunkett was drafted by the team, but I knew about him for his time with the Raiders. I did know about Steve Young being with the Buccaneers, he really was a rags to riches NFL story going from the worst team at that time to going to one of the best teams.
Steve Pelluer, Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Matt Cassel were all way worse than Vinny.
@@bjchit I don’t know anything about the first 3 but I can see the case of Matt Cassell being put over Vinny
@@lakerskid2013 Pelluer was the starting QB the last year of Tom Landry's career, and was so bad he had fans begging for Danny White, who they thought was a choking dog, to replace him. Carter was one of several QB's who was in and out of the starting lineup (along with Hutchinson, one of several failed MLB players trying to make it in another sport) that looked like he was turning it around when Bill Parcells came on, but couldn't lay off the booger sugar and was unceremoniously cut and then couldn't play anywhere except for D-list indoor leagues.
On the Bills commentary, Drew Bledsoe was actually a pretty good NFL QB. His best years were for the Patriots and an injury ushered in the GOAT but nevertheless...
And as a Cowboy fan, even an old Testaverde was far from Dallas' worst QB. Look into Steve Pelluer, Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Brandon Weeden when you do an "Update" video.
How about Steve Walsh from 1989?
@@fortynights1513 He was pretty bad too...but he did get the only win that season if memory serves.
@@rmd8427You are correct, and while he didn’t play well in 89, you can probably find some quarterbacks who played worse for their time
Painter for the Colts? I dunno, I gotta give that to Art Schlichter. At least Painter stayed outta JAIL (AFAIK). Schlichter is one of the most epic wastes of actual physical talent in the entire HISTORY of professional team sports. Right there with Roy Tarpley.
I remember seeing a video of Ian Book's lone start and saw comments saying this was his "Welcome to the NFL" game. I was like, no, that's the kind of game that makes someone a backup journeyman for the rest of their career. Sure enough....
Nathan Peterson is somewhere with a huge smile on his face right now
Peterman is a story
Clausen had the nerve to charge Cam a million dollars to wear #2 😂😂😂
Right 👍😂😂😂And Clausen was strait Garbage 🗑️
I’d call him smart. And I’ll also add, how dumb does a guy have to be to pay for a number.
What a great video!! I forgot about these guys, with good reason!
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A best version of this would be pretty cool too, same as coaches and the like, probably learn more about more memorable figures haha
It really is amazing that CJ Stroud has been as good as he is. An Ohio State QB taken 2nd overall by the Texans should've been a surefire recipe for a bust
Those Bobby Hoying Eagles were hard to watch. You bench Hoying for who, exactly? Rodney Peete? Ty Detmer? Those games are for Giants fans to watch and reminisce about. Go Birds.
Some of these names like Brodie Croyle, Curtis Painter, and Tom Savage are so memorable how bad they were
Jimmy Clausen gives me PTSD as a Notre Dame fan. That dude was literally hyped up as the Lebron James of football coming out of high school.
Hey hey hey, Blane Gabert has a Superbowl Ring.
For the Bucs. As Brady's backup.
Surprised you had Young for the Bucs and not any of the QBs on the 1977 team going 2-12 and having only three touchdowns with 30 interceptions. Yeah, it was that bad. I found out from KTO I believe.
At least with those guys they had pretty much no one to throw to.
I think folder was the worst. He had 4 tds to 15 interceptions his 2 nd year on. 415 attempts. I to every 100 passes. Try to find anyone with that bad of a season. He never improved much during his Tampa career
Trent dilfer’
@@robertharrer2475 He actually made the Pro Bowl as a Buc. Shocking I know.
Cowboys Fan here, Ben Dinucci needs to be on this list
For as bad as Croyle was, Tyler Palko was worse.
Watching McNown sacking himself is fking hilarious.
Haha, eff McNown!
To be fair to Curtin Painter, none of us Colts fans expected him to be anything special and he was only thrown in there as a last resort thanks to both Andrew Luck and Kerry Collins going down with injuries. I´m not even sure that I´d call him the worst quarterback to play for the Colts that season, because Dan Orlovski was just as terrible. For that reason alone, I´d put guys like Art Schlichter and Jeff George ahead of Painter, because they were top draft picks, the expectations for them were huge and neither man came close to living up those expectations.
7:17 hey it's Tua! 😄😄😄
As a lifelong Dolphins fan, I say John Beck earned a Beer on All of of our Tabs and I can explain.
The 1 single TD he throw was to Greg Camarillo and it kept the team from Going Winless, a Very Real Possibility at that Time in the season.
0-13 against Baltimore, and time told the Tale that we lost the last 2 Gms to go 1-15... so Thank You John Beck.
Any Madden season I played after that didn't matter his ranking, he had a permanent seat as the 3rd String QB
Ha! And there must've been somebody worse than him in the early pre Bob Griese days. Didn't the HC make his son the starter at one point?.
@@atthebridgeGeorge Wilson did that in 1966 (the Fins first season) with son George Jr.
Except it was Cleo Lemon who did that. John Beck sucked so hard he got replaced with a career third stringer.
@@atthebridge George Wilson at least won a couple of games. Dick Wood managed to throw more than one touchdown pass. John Stofa was actually a decent backup. Rick Norton might actually have a case as he played more games and threw way more interceptions while being a first round pick.
@fivepointsvids Someone shared with us and we see that you used our QB graveyard for the Browns in your video lol Awesome job and great video 👍💯
John Skelton thankful he was forgotten
Nathan Peterman never making an appearance is a shame
Nathan Journeyman
Surprised you didn't have Andre Ware for Detroit. He was a bigger bust than Joey.
Agreed, he was hit almost as much as Carr also. Being an Oregon fan at the time I was rooting for him but he was hearing foot steps after season 2.
At least Harrington wasn’t a Heisman bust.
Rick Mirer admitted he hated throwing to the left side of the field. Always threw in the middle or the right sidelines no matter what lol oh yea and my bears traded a first round pick for him im 1997 😔
I still can't believe AP literally dragged the Ponder vikings to the playoffs lmao
But Christian Ponder somehow is married to Sam Ponder
Please make a video of best Offense/Defense player on each team that will not get in the HOF, and belong in the Hall of Very Good
This would be an interesting video.
If we are talking about in each franchise’s history, then a number of names come to mind; some of them are very good careers that I would say are overlooked, and others could be in by now if not for off field issues or crimes (my apologies for the unsavory stuff I’ll be referencing).
For Chargers defense I would say Leslie O’Neil, he has one of the highest sack totals of anyone I never see mentioned.
For Chiefs offense I would say Jim Tyrer. A nine time pro bowl left tackle, but he killed his wife and himself while still on the ballot, and I wouldn’t expect him to get considered.
For the Jets defense I say Mark Gastineau. He was not well liked, but overshadowed by his flamboyant personality and issues is the fact that he had more sacks over his seven best seasons combined than several Hall of Famers, namely Lawrence Taylor.
For the Packers offense I would say Billy Howton. He had the most receiving yards up to the time of his retirement in 1963.
Packers defense I would say Darren Sharper. He made six all pro teams, an all decade team, and has 63 picks. But he of course committed rape and drugged women, and I wouldn’t expect him to make it in because of off field problems.
For the Broncos defense I say Dennis Smith. He made six pro bowls and a second team all pro once as a strong safety. That sounds a tier below the Hall potentially.
For the Broncos offense, a little soon to say, but I would say Tom Nalen is becoming overlooked. He was a five time pro bowler, made three all pro teams, and was the center who blocked for Terrell Davis in the late 90’s, as well as the early 2000’s running backs in Denver after that and for the 05 AFC championship game team too. I don’t see his name come up much when talking about the late 90’s Broncos.
For my team, the Seahawks offense, I don’t expect Shaun Alexander to ever make the Hall of Fame, but he had a good career for himself and gets overshadowed by the linemen who blocked for him at times.
For Seahawks defense, I would say Eugene Robinson. It’s often overlooked but before Bobby Wagner, nobody had more tackles as a Seahawk than him.
For the Niners offense I would say Gene Washington. He was the top target by far in a number one offense in 1970, made four pro bowls, and two first team all pros, and their team before Bill Walsh showed up isn’t talked about much.
For the Niners defense, I would say two players in the 90’s deserve mention. Dana Stubblefield was good defensive tackle who actually won a Defensive Player of the Year award at his peak in 1997, and Merton Hanks was a good ball hawking free safety who played off his teammates well and got over 500 career return yards. He also received DPOY votes in 1995.
Stubblefield made two all pro teams and Hanks made four. I don’t expect either one to be seriously considered for Canton, but the Niners had a good defense overall in the 90’s and those two were part of it.
Unlike the early 70’s teams, while the 1994 team won it all, those teams are generally overshadowed by the 80’s teams before them and not talked about much, but they were very solid for a very long time.
For the Rams offense I say Dennis Harrah deserves mention. He made six pro bowls and was the right guard next to Jackie Slater on the 80’s Rams offensive line.
For the Rams defense I say Isiah Robertson deserves mention. He was a six time pro bowler in the 70’s for the team, and made five all pro teams.
One other player who deserves a special mention because his prime was split between multiple teams is Harold Jackson. In his case, between the Eagles, Rams, and Patriots of the 70’s.
Either way, he had the most receiving yards, receptions and receiving touchdowns in the decade of the 70’s and isn’t in Canton, or brought up much generally.
There’s obviously other teams I didn’t get to, but off the top of my head I would say those players I listed deserve to be mentioned in a list like that.
What do you think?
@@fortynights1513 Great response! I like a lot of the names that you listed, especially Dennis Smith and Stubblefield.
Here are some of mine. At Random… Apologies to the OL
Buffalo: Takeo Spikes maybe? Bryce Paup… Fred Smerlas
New England: Stanley Morgan and Willie McGinnest
Atlanta: Jesse Tuggle and Andre Rison
Colts: Bob Sanders and Dallas Clark
Steelers: Greg Lloyd and Hines Ward
Browns: Michael Perry and Eric Metcalf
Lions: Robert Porcher and Billy Simms
Redskins: Charles Mann and Vernon Davis
Dolphins: Zach Thomas and Ricky Williams or Mark Duper
Chiefs: DT Neal… can’t remember his first name and Priest Holmes
Dallas: Insert your OL/DL here. There are many.
Giants: Gary Reasons and Mark Bavarro
Bengals: Boomer Esiasen
Oilers/Titans: Earl Campbell. Not sure if he’s in the HOF.
Vikings: Dante Culpeper
Eagles: Randell Cunningham and Brian Dawkins. Not many Safeties in the HOF
Chargers/Pats. Lorenzo Neal and Rodney Harrison
Denver: Dennis Smith or Karl Mecklenburg.
More later…
@@Grandizer8989Those are good picks.
I will say though that Earl Campbell and Brian Dawkins are in Canton.
If you asked me to pick a Titan/Oiler offensive player that is not likely to be in Canton but gets overlooked, I say Charley Hennigan.
In 1961, he was a 1,746 yard receiver for the first pro team to score 500 points.
Also Derrick Mason who was one of the top targets for the early 2000’s Titans has become overlooked too in my opinion.
As for an Eagle defender, I would say Maxie Baughan who though in the 60’s, is one of the few nine time pro bowlers not in Canton, also a six time all pro as a linebacker.
A few others that occurred to me:
Irving Fryar. He made five pro bowls, an all pro team as a return specialist, and despite not playing in an ideal situation for yards receiving, he retired seventh in career receiving yards in 2000.
Ruben Brown: He might be my pick for the Bills offensively. Brown is one of the very few nine time pro bowlers that played entirely post merger who isn’t in Canton. He also made four second team all pros as a guard.
Bob Baumhower: A nose tackle who made five pro bowls, and five all pro teams. A key component of the early 80’s Killer B’s, one of the most overlooked defenses there is. My pick for a Dolphin defender.
I say the Killer B’s are underrated because there’s nobody on it that will realistically ever make it to Canton, and the narrative of Dan Marino’s career was that he never had a good defense. Even so, that unit was consistently a top five to ten unit from 1979-1984, overlapping with Marino for only his first two seasons.
Keith Millard: Won a defensive player of the year award in 1989, and was said to be on a Hall of Fame trajectory before a knee injury ended his prime. Would be a good Viking defensive pick.
Also among Viking defenders, Kevin Williams in the 2000’s deserves mention too, but he has more of a shot at Canton still.
For Dallas, I would pick George Andrie who was a good defensive end in the late 60’s, and offensively I would pick fullback Don Perkins who at one point had the fifth most touchdowns in NFL history and isn’t in Canton.
And lastly for now, I gotta single out Rick Casares.
He was a fullback for the Bears in the 50’s primarily. In 1956, he was the league’s leading rusher, a first team all pro, and the focal point of a number one offense. He made five pro bowls, two all pro teams, and like Perkins, isn’t in Canton despite having been top five in career rushing touchdowns at a point in time.
He also gets overlooked because of all the Bears running games over the years
Crazy how KC even had Matt Moore winning games. Just goes to show just how great of a Coach Andy Reid is
Matt Moore was probably the best backup QB of the last decade.
@@bjchit Chad Henne would like a word.
@@loveandrockets4life Sorry, but throwing a bunch of check downs on one drive in a playoff game is not exactly "Best Backup QB" material.
@@bjchit he literally came in and won the playoff game against the browns two years prior. Nice try. Moore was 2-1. Don’t act like he was the savior of the world and played on another level. 😂
@@loveandrockets4life Henne came in when the Chiefs were already in field goal range, threw an interception when the Chiefs were in scoring range again, and just handed the ball off a bunch of times. Sure, okay. Henne was also regulated to third string in favor of Moore. But sure, the guy with actual playing time that was putting up 100+ QB ratings week after week after being out of the game for a year was insignificant.
Always bemused by a Christian Ponder reference. I went to high school with his Dad, David. Go, Cairo GA High School Syrupmakers!
12:20 cj Stroud is playing an MVP season, he's got the "rebuilding" Texans well into the playoff picture, and a game out of the division lead I know this was 3 weeks ago, but at the time of the video they still had a winning record, cj Stroud easily is gonna win rookie of the year, and should be front runner for most VALUABLE player. Unfortunately mvp just means which QB has the best stats, when it's supposed to be who is most responsible for their team having the best record versus expectations and right now it's cj Stroud, if he got hurt I don't see the Texans winning a game the rest of the year, but with him healthy the rest of the way they realistically can go 12-5 which is WAY better than the expected rebuild, top 10 pick they were projected at the beginning of the year, so at this point as long as Stroud keeps winning I see absolutely no reason anyone else should win it
As an Eagles fan idk how Kevin Kolb ain’t make the list
I had some good memories of Kolb. Now Brad Goebel, OTOH, ... *yeesh*
Idk man, the Mike McMahon year felt way worse than Kolb
If you wanna extend that to anyone who has ever played for that team, Alex Mcgough for seattle (current backup in GB) dude was drafted in 2018, sucked in what few looks we got with him, played great in spring league, but hey, if we didnt draft him, maybe we dont end up with geno as a backup to Russ
WSU's QBs to NFL stories are crazy. You get your Drew Bledsoe and Gardner Minshew, but then also your Ryan Leaf and Luke Falk.
Living in the DC metro means I was blessed with watching Patrick Ramsey play for the 'Skins. Of course that also means I got to watch Kyle Boller on CBS if I didn't want to watch the DC team get destroyed. It was really hard to say which was worse, but I remember the first Ramsey game where he threw 4 interceptions in rapid succession. It felt like every time someone caught a pass from him it was a Saints player.
I mean, how could anyone forget Danny Woeful?
this is the kind of content I love from you
Jim Plunkett had talent, but the Pats really had nothing for him during his stay.
Packers - I honestly cannot decide between Scott Hunter, Jerry Tagge, and John Hadl. Tagge and Hadl were good guys put into terrible positions, but Hunter was a good guy that could not complete even 50% of his passes...ever. Even in a year where he went 10-4 as a starter, he completed 43.2% of his passes and had a 6-9 TD-INT ratio. Ouch.
Cam Newton and Mac Jones for New England... I gotta tell you the post Brady scenario is oh so depressing :(
For the Lions it's hard to forget Andre Ware. Given the situation though, Harrington was the proper selection for this video. Barry had just up and retired and the team was basically starting from scratch with M&M&S&M.
Ware was worse. He never has one good moment during his career. Harrington occasionally looked competent. That’s why we’re disappeared immediately after Detroit while Harrington spent time with the jets
As a lifelong Dolphins fan, when I saw the title of this video two names came immediately to mind. One indeed was ol Johnny Beck, but the other name was one who shared a roster spot with him during that 1-15 season, and that was Cleo Lemon lol
Good call not burying Love too early.
Curtis Painter, couldn't watch paint dry. 😂
I thought you would say Heath Shuler for Washington. You forgot to troll the Steelers since they could've had Dan Marino as Terry Bradshaw's replacement.
Fun video, but I refuse to believe there was a worse quarterback in history than Babe Laufenberg on the late 80’s Cowboys.
I don't know, if you picked any QB from the 70s or 80s for the Lions, I'm sure you'll find someone worse than Harrington. You went that far back for other franchises, you could have done that here. Not sticking up for Harrington here, he was terrible, but the supporting cast around him was worse. Peak Tom Brady couldn't win on those Lions teams with Harrington. Measuring it on just Ls skews it for the Lions in the early 2000s because the teams were so bad. But a lot of years in the 70s and 80s, it was the QB that held the Lions back.
The Lions were average in the early 70’s (with a playoff team in 1970), and their quarterbacks for that period were Greg Landry and Bill Munson.
Landry of whom in 1971 made the lone pro bowl selection by a Lions quarterback between Bobby Layne and Matthew Stafford.
After those two, Gary Danielson and Eric Hipple are the two guys who appear to have been the primacy quarterbacks in the 80’s, with Chuck Long finishing the decade.
Also Andre Ware in the early 90’s was a draft bust.
Of the five that played a significant sample in the 70’s and 80’s, I say Chuck Long was the worst.
He threw 19 touchdowns to 28 picks (with a league leading 20 picks in 1987), and was 4-17 as a starter.
Also, Mike Machurek in 1984 attempted 43 passes, and threw for six picks, no touchdowns, and an 8.3 passer rating.
Video gets made about bad QBs
Ryan Leaf has entered the chat.
I'm a little surprised Nathon Peterman wasn't mentioned for the Bills at all
You nailed it with Pisarcik for the Giants-just the "Fumble" alone qualifies for gross misconduct for a QB.
For the Minnesota Vikings:
As much as Christian Ponder sucked the Spergon Wynn experiment, the Josh Dobbs project and the Josh Freeman experience rank up at the top for me and I’ve been watching them since about 1986 or 87.
I can’t also forget about Brooks Bollinger as his claim to fame might be handing the ball off to AP when he broke the all time mark for yards rushing in a game against the Chargers back in 2007 because he sure didn’t do anything with his arm.
The Bengals had every below average journeyman QB in the league in the early 2000s: Scott Mitchell, Gus Frerotte, Jon Kitna, Neil O'Donnell, Jeff Blake, and Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Trying to forget Neil O'Donnell existed on the Jets. When it comes to worst starting QB for Washington the first name that comes up to mine is Heath Schuler