Why Hybrid/Electric Vehicle Batteries Can Fail - Wrenchin' Up
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- As Hybrid/Electric Vehicles age so do their High Voltage batteries. As these batteries get older they are subject to heat related failures that can be caused by some very interesting reasons. My guest, Dorman's Dimitry Manoukis, explains these failures, their causes and how Dorman remanufacturers their replacement high voltage batteries to help overcome these problems.
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Hi Jim,
Thank you for taking the time to do all these great videos. We have a 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid and the battery gave out 2 years ago and we have been driving on just the engine itself. It will no longer charge the batter and i am wondering if you can tell me what to replace in order to get the charge running to the 12 volt battery or if it is even worth it?
Thank you,
Mike from Calgary
Hi Cara - Long distance diagnosis is usually not very effective so I recommend that you have the system checked out with scan tool diagnostics to more efficiently locate the cause of the problem. I think it will be a whole lot cheaper and faster than just "throwing parts at the problem". You will then know if it would be worth it to get your Honda repaired. Thanks for watching!
very informative video
Hi Jack - Thanks for the comment and Thanks for watching!
Thank you both of you for detailed orientation on hybrid
Hi - Thanks for watching and your kind comment! I'm glad the video helped.
Hello! May I know about Hybrid battery problem? My Prius 2004 has Alarm red Triangle for replacing battery pack, after then I have changed the pack HV for 1 month, it still has the same problem. So do you mind informing me what the problems from?
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Dorman NOW only offers a 12 month warranty. Not the 3 year warranty as stated by Dimitri Manoukis the Product Manager. Excellent pricing I found at Amazon depending upon model from $1865 to $3781 as of this date 3/11/2022. Hope this helps.
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing this update!
Thank you for the very informative education.
Which batteries will be most suitable for desert climates with temperatures of > 45 degrees Celsius and frequent sand storms ?
Thanks
Hi - Thanks for watching! Good question, but since it didn't come up in the interview, I would like to suggest that you check with DORMAN. Their contact information is in the video description.
Got a used car from a dealer . Didnt know it had a dorman battery, It failed . It has all the tags ,date serial numbers on it . About thirteen months old . Dorman refused to help me in any way . They wanted the original paperwork and warranty card . They would do nothing for me to stand behind there product that failed well within the warranty period. If you buy a used car check to make sure it doesn't have there replacement battery in it ,if it does i wouldnt buy the car. I dont know if anyone will accept the dorman battery for a core now that i have to buy a replacement . Also it did fail in about a year. I got stuck i hope you dont .
Hi - Thanks for your comment about your experience. I'm no expert here but it seems to me that the dealer who sold you the vehicle has some responsibility here in providing you with the battery's paperwork, battery warranty, vehicle warranty, etc. Hopefully Dorman will jump in here to tell their side of the story as your experience is certainly bad publicity for them. Thanks for watching!
Earlier this year I went to NAPA to purchase one of these not knowing to much about them. I was just in a hurry to pay the money and get my car back on the road without worry. I asked to order one and they said well we won't sell you one because the last 4 have been bad and had to be returned. Thought it a joke at first but they were serious. Blessing in disguise because I took my battery apart and discovered the harness on the battery badly corroded. $70 bucks to purchase at dealer and cars back in business. It's a heavily used car for UBER and LYFT and about 20k more miles and running great.
The purchaser of the batter owns the warranty, not the car it was put in.
I wouldn't have one of those cars. That's all i have to say.
Small claims court. They should've provided you a warranty with outlined services they cover or not
Hats off and respect for mastery knowledge of your niche and making complicated things sim-le to understand.
Kindly advice, talking of the contaminants: will the battery powered automobiles manage the dust in the desert dust in Africa?
Thank you Sir.
Hi - Thanks for watching! I’m glad the video was helpful, but desert dust was not mentioned in the video and I haven’t heard about how it affects hybrid traction batteries. I suggest that you contact Dorman to see if they have the answer. Their contact information is in the video description.
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How long are these hybrid batteries usually good for before they need to be replaced. Can you also talk about the importance of not overfilling the tank and ruining the regulator. I have run out of gas... with 2 bars and 31 miles left. Please talk about the reset and how filling the gas tank is not all it takes to get it going again.
Hi - Thanks for watching! I use to talk about these subjects during the clinics I did, and stopped doing when I retired from the auto parts business several years ago. Because of that and the fact that this video is several years old and things do change, I suggest that you refer to the vehicle owner manual and the service/repair manuals that are available at the dealer and auto parts stores for the latest useful information on these topics. You can also contact Dorman about their batteries and their expected life. Their contact information is in the video description.
..that saves a lot of Headache, brother..⚡👨🔧👩🔧
Hi - Thanks for watching! I’m glad the video is helpful.
Hopefully Dorman will chime in here..........nothing but crickets . LOL
Hi - Yup, hopefully! Thanks for watching!
Before going to these independent outlets try your local dealer speak nicely to them they may help. I have found our Toyota lexus dealers very helpful when getting Toyota to help. Always maintaining a full service history can be a huge help.
Hi - Thanks for sharing your experience!
The air cooling system in has a filter on to stop material getting in so how does be the hair get past the filter
Hi - Thanks for watching! The 2004-09 Prius did not come with a filter for the air used to cool the hybrid battery. As a result the fan can log up with hair and dirt and some dirt can get into the crevices between the battery modules.
First of all,nothing last forever. Secondly,anything can fail anytime,just nobody knows exactly when....
Hi - Thanks for watching and for your comment!
recently i changed an o2 sensor and the check light reappeared, my mechanic reffered me to a hybrid specialist that mentioned a failed battery cell module was occuring does this mean my battery is failing??
Hi - Could be. I suggest you have the hybrid specialist or someone with a scan tool that can look at the traction battery's control module data stream to get a good look at what is going on across all of the battery. Thanks for watching!
No far from it. It means a cell is failing and depending on the level will depend on how quickly you need to replace remember Toyota give between 8 no and 10 warranty on there battery packs if you have maintained full service be with battery health check your car could be still be covered.
The short answer is yes.
.. that's Good, because i didn't even know dorman Carried those..⚡🔋
Hi - Thanks for watching! I'm glad the video was helpful.
mit mond a szakerto a clomping kable end or soldering kable end ?I' know slow made
Hello sir
My hybrid battery (Camry 07) is weak .
In order to prolong it life , is it good to use recharger to charge battery hybrid ??
Thanks for watching! The vehicle recharges the battery so any other type of recharging is probably no necessary. Your battery might need reconditioning to bring it back to satisfactory condition.
Thank you very much for your reply sir ..
I've worked on alot if these batteries and have NEVER seen build up between cells or and dirt or debris inside a pack . Seems like the only thing I didn't see mentioned is if they replace the bad cells and run the others dead and charge them back up a couple of times to rejuvenate them so they will make it down the road a little farther ?
Hi - Great comment and question. Hopefully Dorman jumps in here to provide an answer. If not, you could ask them directly if you would like. Their contact information is in the video description. Thanks for watching!
I agree. I have replaced dozens and dozens of these. The debris always ends up in the battery cooling fan. Make sure you clean the battery cooling fan if you replace the battery. Also, I do not recommend using "re manufactured" batteries. My experience is a 30-50% failure rate (in warranty). Our shop only uses oem Toyota batteries (brand new). Never a problem doing that. Batteries that fail before about 200k miles usually have leaking electrolyte that causes the corrosion. Sometimes you can clean the corrosion but you can't stop the leak! If they don't develop the electrolyte leak, they'll go for another 100k at least in many cases.
I hope anyone helps me
Does the new hybrid Camry or the Prius fit in a very hot climate from 50 to 40 degrees Celsius?
How likely is the battery life of the hybrid in this very hot climates?
Is it possible to live over 10 years?
Or can I reach 500 thousand kilometers in 10 years without damaging the battery?
What is the average lifetime of the Toyota hybrid batteries in very hot weather?
Hi Chris - Thanks for your comment and questions. Hopefully Dorman will jump in here and answer them for you. Thanks for watching!
Hi - Hi Chris - Thanks for your comment and questions. Hopefully someone with experience with these issues will jump in here and answer them for you. Thanks for watching!
My touchscreen is cracked and i cant run a diagnostic. My battery drains really quickly if i drive on battery power alone. My prius is constantly charging. I went to autozone to check the 12v but they have a policy not to check them. So idk what to do
Hi - Thanks for watching! The 12 volt Panasonic battery in you Prius is no hard to test. I suggest you take it to one of the other auto parts suppliers to have it tested.
Is there a after market mechanic for my Toyota Prius in the Fresno Ca area with Norman that can to my home and give service and if necessary work o te problem batteryThank you Ken
Hi Ken - Thanks for watching! I don't have that kind of information but you might try Googling "Prius High Voltage Battery Mechanic Near Me".
This video on Dorman Batteries says they offer a 3 year non-prorated warranty, however the Dorman hybrid batteries sold by Pep Boys and Napa has only a one year warranty, Could Dorman confirm how long the non-prorated warranty really is? Is there any other vendor that offers the 3 year non-prorated warranty?
Good point Sam. I would call Dorman.
They changed their warranty policy at the beginning of 2018 to 1 year after being overwhelmed by warranty claims. Had they still been Hybrid ReInvolt before they were bought by Dorman, they would have gone under.
Hi Jim I have a Toyota Prius 2nd Generation so it has a Hybrid Battery problem can you assist me what can I do because in my area there are no mechanics of these Hybrid Cars can I drive the car with this problem or it's harmful Thanks
Hi John - Thanks for watching! It depends on what the problem is, so I would like to suggest you contact my friends at PROLONG Battery Systems because they have a LOT of experience with these systems and can probably steer you in the right directions. You can contact them at www.hybridautomotive.com
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates Alright Thanks Jim I will Let You know after Contacting them
As of 1/1/2018, Toyota list price for the 04-09 Prius battery is $1,950 + tax. They are made from 100% new manufactured cells. Only have a 1 year warranty (if owner-installed; 3 year if dealer installed), but they'll last longer than ANYTHING Dorman produces.
Hi - Thanks for watching and for your interesting comment!
My personal experience is that Dorman packs are crap!
Hi, can you provide me with the link to buy this please, I am from another country.
BTW, Do you think it will work for the same model Prius 2007 having a Right-Hand drive Model for SE Asia?
Thank you.
What about the 2011 honda IMA battery
Hi Christian - Thanks for watching! What is your question about the Honda IMA battery? If it's about availability, I think Dorman has it but, I suggest you check with them to be sure. Their contact information is in the video description.
Please tell me per liter how much killo meter running my prius 2007 model in Pakistan
Hi - Good question, but I don't have accurate information on the mileage the Prius gets in different parts of the world and climates. I suggest you check with Toyota to get that information. Thanks for watching!
Hello friend I work in pakistan hybrid batterry if your car batterry in good condition so it's give you 22 to 25 kilometer per liter.
After all this.recondition my pack/replaced one module/ 12 v is fine
Topped it off too.several times since it's been sitting.
Maybe my red plug isn't in fully?
Feels right to me/ I've done it twice.
Still have all my trouble lights etc.
And/////// it doesnt start?
Oh boy?
Hi - Thanks for watching! If your vehicle is a Toyota product be sure the service jack (orange plug) is in all the way and LOCKED by pushing the handle in and then towards the center of the plug. If not, the interlock circuit will be open. Once the interlock circuit is closed everywhere you might have to try to start the vehicle several times before the computers verify it’s ok for the vehicle to start.
Is there any place that buys these batteries back? I have one out of a wrecked kia and was wondering if there is a place that buys them back?
Hi Michael - Good question but I'm not sure. You might check with the dealership and local auto parts stores to see if there is a core value for the battery pack because they are rebuilt by some manufacturers. Thanks for watching!
I have a hybrid Ford escape 09 and nobody can get it started what's my best choice
Hi - Thanks for watching! The 12-volt battery runs the computers so it has to be OK. Computers open high voltage "traction" battery's output stage relays to allow high voltage to run motor generator 1 in the "transmission" to start the Internal Combustion Engine, so computers, wiring and ICE have to be OK. High voltage "traction" battery has to be charged up enough to run MG1. If not and everything else is OK the dealership network has tools that can "jump" the HV battery to get you going. I hope this helps.
Can the battery cells drain off due engine not running because of the safety switch on the low oil pressure. Its shuts off the engine and only the high voltage moving the vehicle untill it dies off. Can the cell be drained off that way??
Hi - Thanks for watching! Yes I think so because when the ignition is turned on the output stage relays (powered by the 12 volt auxiliary battery) in the battery switch on to provide current to the DC/DC converter that runs the vehicle's electrical system.
Even when safety plug is removed that battery can still shock you or even kill you
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your comment!
How much is. Cost
Hi and thanks for watching! I don't have cost information (I'm just the interviewer) so be sure to check with the auto parts store for pricing.
does Dorman replace all the cells or just the bad ones???????????
Hi - Good question. That didn't come up in the interview so I suggest that you ask the folks at Dorman about that. Their contact information is in the video description. Thanks for watching!
Jim Bates I bet they won't answer the question.
It'll be interesting to see if they do.
my mechanic told me to change the whole battery
Yes and yes. Dorman replaces all the cells with used cells from other core batteries they receive. Picture this: 1) battery comes in, 2) battery is broken down and disassembled, 3) modules screened, 4) obvious bad modules discarded, 5) "good" modules reconditioned, 6) "good" modules that are successfully reconditioned and pass additional testing are put into stock, 7) 28 modules are pulled from inventory, 8) pack is built. Thus BOTH all modules AND just the bad ones are replaced. How many brand new modules are used to repair the batteries? ZERO.
This video is dated Nov 25, 2015. it is now Dec 2020! my question is,would replacing my nickel metal battery for a newer lithium battery in a 2010 to a 2014 Toyota prius create problems with electrical things in the car? done proffionaly of cource! I heard the new batteries are much stronger and last longer. in some cases 200 to 250k! or 10 years.
Hi - Thanks for watching! Good question but I recommend that you check with a manufacturer of a LiIon battery to see what they recommend. As far as I know (I really haven't kept up), Toyota still only uses Nickel Metal batteries for the Prius.
greetings I have a lexus es300h does not start and the error code is c029A
Hi - Thanks for watching! Long distance diagnostics is difficult at best. Having said that, what diagnostic steps have you taken? What were the results of any corrective steps, if any, that you have taken?
u029a lost communication with hybrid battery pack sensor module
Hi - Pulling cods is not diagnostics. The code gives you a place to begin your diagnostics. In this case, as a start, a bi-directional scan tool could be used to check the communications paths and the sensor itself. Following the diagnostic tree in a service/repair manual for the vehicle will likely be necessary.
So your rebuilt battery has mainly the old battery modules and a few good tested replacenents, and you are giving a 3 year replacement warrenty that you are hoping all the old original battery modeles will last that long.
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your observation! This interview was done quite some time ago so be sure to contact the manufacturer for clarification and updated information.
Im gonna throw the ball down the field here and see if someone might be gracious enough to help me out. My gf wants to buy a 2007 Camry Hybrid. It has about 220,000 miles on it. Worse case scenario, lets say that "expensive" battery that runs the engine fails in a month. How much to repair it or replace it? True you have to replace motor? Would greatly appreciate answer.
Hi - Thanks for watching! Based in the information I have at this time, the replacement batteries are now available from the dealership as well as remanufactured batteries from some auto parts stores. You'll have to check with the parts store and shop doing the replacement for prices. The traction motor will not have to be replaced unless it has problems of it's own.
rmanent costs of hybrid battery parts the car can not passHello I have a car toyota prius 2010 The car runing good no problem put the car have the permanent costs of hybrid battery parts the car can not pass smog How I can clean of the permanent costs? Can you help me please
Hi - Thanks for watching! Long distance diagnostics are difficult, if not impossible. Having said that, I suggest that you do a complete diagnosis of the internal combustion engine and the engine control system, because that is where problems that affect emissions testing occur.
I cant find the battery with a 3 year warranty only 18 month...
Hi Thanks for watching! As you can see in the video, Dorman is the supplier and the one making these statements . You can contact them directly about the warranty. Their contact information is in the video description.
Nice sales pitch
Hi - Thanks for watching! It wasn't meant to be but it sort of turned out that way too. I hope the info outweighs the pitch.
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates You and the Dorman Engineer were very professional, but there are many posts on this subject that present all the options (not just one of them), such as choosing a, used, rebuilt, or new battery pack or rebuilding it yourself. Along with the Pros and Cons of each. So your post came off biased after seeing the other posts. But thx for your reply, I respect you for getting back to me.
BTW. I would like give you kudos for being safe and using insulted rubber gloves with a protective cover. My late lineman father would have been proud of you. But you should have mentioned to use them in the post(or maybe I just missed it?). Also the rubber gloves should be tested for leaks before they are used each time. By trapping air in them and rolling up the opening to check for leaks.
Hi NC - I thought you might like to check out my interview with a manufacturer of HV gloves where we talk about the issues you bring up. ua-cam.com/video/o9WWVMDih9s/v-deo.html
Just use a heat gun to loosen the labels lol
Hi Jeff - I wouldn't recommend it buy hey, thanks for the comment and Thanks for watching
Good one, Jeff. Responsible answer, Jim ;-)
Hey just trying to help out the guy.
Good idea I never thought of that
Petrol or diesel ⛽️ pollution is bigger dangerous for environmental or Iitham pollution?
You missed a bunch of details not telling how to change cells and safe isolation..
Hi Mel - Thanks for watching and for your comment! Changing cells (modules) and safe isolation were not the focus of this video and as such, those details were not left out. You may be interested in another video on this channel about the safety issues ua-cam.com/video/o9WWVMDih9s/v-deo.html . I do have other videos in cell (module) testing, single charging, multiple charging with a harness and replacement procedures but because of the liability involved they are only available on DVD to working ASE certified technicians who have attended the live workshops.
3 year warranty Toyota off 8 year on full replacement battery and providing you have a annual service after year your battery continue to retain it warranty.
Hi - Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Battery two holes spreading lithium heat air in cab of 🚗 in cool weather 😢
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your experience! I just want to mention that the batteries being discussed in this video are not Lithium, they are Nickel Metal Hydride.
So?...It means check you battery ventilator now and then and clean it. That's all.
Hi - Thanks for watching! That helps. Be sure to check the vehicle's owner manual and the service/repair manuals for any additional requirements.
If the individual cells are not new, they will fail as your old one. Complete new Battery will last at least 10 years, remanufacturer or used battery will not last that long.
Hi - Thanks for watching and for sharing your comment.
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates That's what I want to know about Dorman battery. Are they made from Toyota new cells or from used cells. For a benchmark, Complete new cells from Toyota Dealer cost $2200, and labor may cost another $200 in most independent mechanics or $400 in Toyota Dealer.
Hi - Good question. But since that was not brought up in the interview I don’t have the answer, but you can ask the folks at Dorman. Their contact information is in the video description.
This video and the comments below convinced me NOT to buy an electric vehicle. I am in the market to buy a new vehicle and my kid is also wanting a Prius. No way will I buy an electric vehicle. Forget It!
Hi - Thanks for watching and for sharing your opinion!
No balancing charging?! Shame....
Hi Alex - Thanks for watching! Good question but I'm not sure if they do or not. I suggest that you ask them about that. Their contact information is in the video description.
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates I found that Toyota hybrids still based on NiMh batteries to minimise self cost. So there is no balancing. Tesla - Lion batteries and they have it.
Hi Alex - Thanks for jumping in here with this information!
Why doesn't Jim Bates answer any of the postings here? Pardon me however, is he deceased?
Hi - Nope, still upright and answering posts most days during the work week. Perhaps not as frequently as I would like, but I'm also busy producing The Battery Shop UA-cam channel. Thanks for watching!
way too expensive for a reman batt.. minus well upgrade to a Lithium battery pack
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion!
It’s mean letiam heat hybrid battery 🪫 air is set along opraiting running 🏃♀️ in your car can it’s may be not good for health
Doorman batteries are horrible don’t ever install one in your car
Hi - Thanks for watching and for your comment. Could you post your reason(s) for your comment?
I noticed that you didn't respond to my reply asking you to post your reason(s) for your comment. So please keep in mind that you shouldn't make those kind if claims on this channel without your reasons, otherwise we may suspect that YOU did something wrong that may have caused the issue.
Hi Jim My reasons for Doorman’s horrible product is the fact that their process for refurbishment are not stringent enough as I have had to replace my battery in my 09 Prius 3xs. Each time I had to call wait for the battery and waste my time. They simply don’t know what they’re doing with HV batteries.
Great warranty program tho
Hi - Thanks for the clarification of your experience with this product. I'm sure it will be helpful to others. It will be interesting to see if DORMAN chimes in on this.
Chemicals get depleted. Nothing you can do about it.
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion!
Horribly small battery waranty
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion!
These companies that are not the actual Toyota companies. The companies that make E V batteries they, Have poor customer service and do not care about customer service or honoring contracts. Can anybody help me with a 2010 Toyota Prius gen 3 model .
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion! If you can provide specifics on what you need help with, maybe someone will jump in here with the information you need.
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates yes sir no problem just wondering what I can do . It’s kinda tough financially and I already trusted a ev battery companies that was sub contracted. The company sold me a lemon . They worked the woman who was driving the vehicle . The gentleman did the service right at our home address. Guaranteed a 100 thousand miles on the battery. Now this day it’s literally lacking power etc . Please help
Hi - Hopefully you have the warrantee in writing. There are probably several good hybrid vehicle battery testers out there that can accurately diagnose the hybrid battery in your vehicle. The Midtronics HYB 1 comes to mind. So, I would suggest that you find a business in your area that has this diagnostic capability and have the battery checked. If it provides proof of a defective battery the warrantee should be enforced. If the battery is OK, further diagnosis of the hybrid system should be performed by a qualified, and preferably an ASE Certified, technician who should be able to discover the cause of the problem.
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Hi - Thanks for watching, I’m glad you like it.
Your not explaining how a closed sealed system with filter on the air be system get hair and other materials in there. Stop making outrageous statements without explaining
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion! However, The 2004-09 Prius did not come with a filter for the air used to cool the hybrid battery. As a result the fan can log up with hair and dirt and some dirt can get into the crevices between the battery modules
Search youtube and you will see.
Call me I get one under 1200 dollars with 100 thousand mile warranty maybe less 1200
Hi Russell - Thanks for watching and for your message!
hello, I have a 2006 Prius and need a new battery. can you give me a contact number to call and order a battery please. Roger
this looks like a junk Advertising
Hi Clay - Thanks for watching and commenting! Would you care to share the reason(s) for your statement with my viewers and I?
Bad car I wish I no buy one
Hi - Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion!
Dorman. English for...
Do not buy.
Hi - Thanks for watching! But you can’t just leave a comment like that on my channel without telling us why. What happened? What do we need to know about them?
@@WrenchinUpwithJimBates as to the HV batteries I have no opinion. My two most recent capers with Dorman parts involve a timing rebuild kit for a Ford 3 valve 5.4. Both phasers were coming apart by the 800 mile mark. The right one was slapping at about 300. Having to redo that job will make a disbeliever in most mechanics.
A week ago I replaced the rear backing plate and bearings on a Toyota Solara. Right side was fine, everything went well. Left side wouldn't allow the parking shoes to retract far enough causing enough drag to get hot. Got another backing plate same thing, apparently the top pivot post was installed too high causing the shoes to be spread too far apart. Had to machine the shoe ends to get it to work.
More often than not you get what you pay for. The savings I saw in parts cost, was more than eaten up in additional labor.
Wow, thanks for sharing your experience!