In the death company episode, one of the blood Angel that has fallen into black rage cried out “ traitor to the throne” and “ the emperor will flay your soul”
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 I swear I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but I think you missed the point. It's not a comparison type thing. It takes away from my man's comment in explaining it but Russ was the Viking. That's where berserkers come from. Angron wouldn't have the knowledge of growing up on Fenris, thus wouldn't have said that.
Seems like more evidence coming to light indicating that Sanguinius in fact had two minor warp entities baked into him which were released when his physical form was destroyed. So the Sanguinor, Sanguinius, and whatever the name is for the Darkness that Mephiston carries. Which that means that Sanguinius is a walking threesome, take that Fulgrim, you're still second to Sanguinius.
It's no wonder Sanguinius was the greatest Warrior of all the Primarchs. Guy had wings and was a full blown psycho who was just about keeping a lid on it.
That's what Darkness in the Blood could be implying, it could also be Warp nonsense. Certainly, Ruinstorm says a few times that Sanguinius can feel the Black Rage in him even before his death.
I always understood it as a combination of multiple factors. Sanginius had a huge potential for extreme rage he kept under control. And when he was around the BAs were able to do so following his example atleast they could so easier. When he died in his deepest rage the psykic shock was sent to all his sons and got imprinted in all of then so deepnit was copied in theor own gene seed. And since all new astartes now are made based on that of the old ones it is passed on to all the new ones too. Now, whenever they fall into the rage the intese rage and imprint of theor fathers death overwhelms them and traps them in the falshback so to say. It‘s now not the same black rage they had in them all the time. So it has neither been there from the start and at the same time has been.
I think we can all agree that we are ready for both Sanguinious fighting Horus in the last siege of terra novels and if the Lions modern lore leads to him seeking a revival of Singuinious as it seems to be hinting at.
@@a.N..... if you read the latest siege book, his sacrifice doesn't so much affect Emps winning against Horus. It also opens up reviving primarchs from death. I won't go too far into spoilers here for now
Sanguinius, Dante, Mephiston, Raldoron, Askallon, the Sanguinor, Astorath the depth of phenomenal characters of the Blood Angels is why they are so loved by the fans.
@rhetoric5173 never said they where original but they are far more than just vampires and the characters have depth. Anyone who doesn't see that is either a hater or didn't read the books.
@@skaut_games7644 he’s op but honestly we have immortals like volcan out there. Mephiston is tortured and carries a huge burden and it’s just a great story.
Warhammer 40 k is drenched in symbolism. I bet you will find similar droplets on different armor. Every battle, detail, or thoughtprocess is full of real life symbolism.
What if, and hear me out, WHAT IF, the Sanguinor appeared durring Sanguinius' fight with the War Master, and revealed himself to have become a warp altered mirrored reflection of his Primarch, and as a final act, to serve and save his lord, flung Sanguinius into the warp to trade places with him, and died in his place? And that's how GW brings back Sanguinius lol
@@timt6058 Yeah, this. Sanguinius is dead and has to be dead. Sacrifice loses all meaning if you pull a "lmao sike" later. Sanguinius now serves as an idol, a legendary figure to aspire to. BE like Sanguinius, for he is no more and someone needs to take his place.
@@ExceedProduction Sanguinius will stay dead until GW needs a quick cash infusion. But never say never as they're already retconning the Emperor/Horus fight.
I love it. Thanks for relaying this story thread. I started 40k 28 years ago so that I could field Mephiston. I thought he was one of the coolest characters I've ever seen. I'm really glad his story has been fleshed out so much today.
OOOOOOOHHHH SHIIIIITTTTT, that guy haley quote just spooked the hell out of me. I have been mulling over a custom chapter and only recently the name came to me, Peragones, and that quote sealed up who (they claim) to be descended from
The more that is revealed about the primarchs, the more i'm starting to think the Emperor welded their immaterial reflection, and material body into one. That they are beings brought forth by the fusing of Warp and Realspace, nigh unique in their existence. That this was the deal made with the Gods of Ruin; The fusing shut of the space between Warp and Realspace.
I do not know what lives within me. I do not know how this hunger might grow. This, I know... I hold DARKNESS in my hands. IT IS MINE, And this is my vow... It IS and shall ALWAYS be The DARKNESS of Holy Extermination! For the glory of The Blood Angels! For Sanguinius! For the Emperor!
How do Blood Angels fans feel about the potential revival of Sanguinius? To be honest, as much as I love it, and it has been hinted at, I’m against it. Unless the Silent King is keeping Sanguinius safe until he really needs something like Sanguinius in a pinch. The Emperor is getting more powerful by the day. He could easily make Sanguinius 2.0 if he wanted to. He has enough Blood Angels souls coupled with Mephistopheles & Dante’s souls to create one whole Sanguinius if needed. I just think it belittles the sacrifice the perfect son made for humanity.
GW would need to be some serious hacks to bring Sanguinius back. It would ruin his entire legacy and the value of his sacrifice. Oh wait... they ARE hacks...
No no no. The events in Ruinstorm make this an absolutely silly proposition. He has already accepted the black rage as the consequences of him denying chaos. Honestly if they retcon that bit it will be the most singular piece of stupid GW has ever done.
@@ragingmoderate6791 what? no no, the theory is that sanguinius killed horus after horus triggered the rage after hurting sangy hard enough instead of the offical story where horus kills sang. then the big E walks in with S in huge rage mode, and doesn't want to kill his favorite son until he is forced to. its sang not thinking straight in his rage state not him deciding to take any vengance.
@sovietunion7643 I said nothing about vengeance. This whole thing stems from old lore that said the reason the emperor didn't just immediately destroy horus was because he was his favorite son. It's pretty clear they aren't going with this angle due to the siege of terra books building horus up to be completely filled with chaos power. The whole thing is based on lore that isn't going to he canon anymore.
@@ragingmoderate6791Horus can be full chaos and still be the Emperor's favourite son. It's not the first time parents are blind to the flaws or their children
There was a fan theory that the Sanguinor is actually Horus, taken by the emperor in the last moments of the Heresy, when the chaos gods abandoned him. Instead of killing him, he forced Horus into the armor, tasked to protect his brother’s sons by wearing a mask of his murdered kin. It’s an idea metal enough that id actually like to see it.
It sounds like the Sanguinor has become a minor warp deity. Like it was said any act his brothers do strengthens him but perhaps any fallen blood angel’s soul goes to Sanguinor much like the Eldar do to Slaneesh, strengthens him further. Maybe with a bit of the Emperors guidance he sends the Sanguinor to aid his brothers in battle from the warp during the darkest times.
He beat angron though… in his normal state vs Antron’s daemon prince state. Sangy implaled angron and angron couldn’t move for several unreal seconds. And in saying that, angron grabbed sanguinius’s spear and through it at super sonic speed breaking the sound barrier and sangy just caught it and spun and threw it back, angron expecting to catch the twig, for Impaled
"with fates of 4 intertwined makes the gates of 8." (The 8 watch helpless. As the 9th Vashtor steps forth intersecting the first malal chaos undivided...) "With chaos I divide... with chaos you Divine.. now.. wager me this... your 4.. my 8.}
Has it ever been explained why the Blood Angels experience the Black Rage yet the Iron Hands haven’t suffered the same? Their Primarch was murdered by his most beloved brother after all. Edit: could it have been due to Horus being so utterly corrupted by the Ruinous Powers when he killed his brother, and Fulgrim was not yet a thrall of Slaanesh when he slew Ferrus?
In order, these are the main ones (though there are others inbetween) Unremembered Empire Herald of Sanguinius Angels of Caliban Ruinstorm Devastation of Baal Darkness in the Blood Mephiston City of Light
It's a reasonable assumption to make that Sanguinius was in fact both the black & golden angel, crammed into a genetically engineered body. It's been heavily implied that's what the Emperor took from the warp at Molech, nascent gods who had not yet awakened. The Primarchs were like enhanced Astartes but instead of a human soul, each had either a singular warp entity filling that role or multiple. Very unsettling to consider because it means they are/were essentially daemons. No wonder half of them fell to Chaos. E was absolutely insane to even try this shit
Sanguinius succumbed to the Black Rage and slew Horus and vegetated our beloved Emperor. So did his Divine Primarch Soul split into the Angel of Light and the Angel of Darkness. Dante and Mephiston.
Nope. Sangunior and Mephiston are the Light/Dark and Dante is the 'human' element of Sanguinius as well as his grounding to Baal. The three of them compose what it is Sanguinius was as a whole.
This is a very Interesting theory, If Horus died to Rage Mode Sangy then BIG E go Bitch slap sangy. But wouldn't this just prove that Abaddon Is Horus 2.0, a Failure of a Son and a Failure of a Father.
Unknown to even the Emporer of Mankind itself, Sanguinius had a twin Brother, Sanguinor. And after millenia of helping only in the worst battle the ledion had to fight, became the sign of we can't do shit, without Demi-Gods helping us... So much Religion, in so little everything else. The one thing that always disgust me about 40k, is Religion in Sci-Fi and the lack of Science in every described piece of machinery. "Yeah it work with belief into the emperor!" "Then why don't you build more of that?" " Its ancient, before Big E was a corps and every religion was erradicated." "Then, how can it even work with Belief?" "Don't know, don't care, praise the omnisiah!"
19:23- Great video so far……. I do have a question about this picture though! Why does the picture of Guilliman make him look like he’s in white armor with black and gray here and there? I would say it’s a black and white picture but his eyes are red!?! Obviously it could still be one of those black and white pictures but with a little bit of color to draw the viewer to focus on that part!?! Is that it? Or does the leader of the blueberry boys have a almost all white suit of armor? I think it could be bad a$$ if so. But I just want to make sure it’s a lore accurate suit first!?! Thanks
I think it would have been such a cool twist if Sanguinius actually lost control when fighting horus, and with the power of chaos actually killed horus and then had to be secretly put down by the emperor when he arrived... Would have been an insanely badass end for sangy, especially if finally receiving forgiveness from emps before dying, and would have put some real grimdark meat on the legion's subsequent black rage issues... Also would have been a much more believable reason for emps to hesitate and therefore get so mortally wounded. It could have been Tzeentch's plan all along, only narrowly foiled by the emperor's monumental sacrifice. Instead poor sangy has to get cut down like a pleb by the emo bald man. Welp, not happening for now anyway. Great Vidya!
I love how the grim darkness has roots in all our myths and religion. Vampires (blood angels) werewolves (space wolves) zombies, orks, creepy preachers, creepier cupid babies , ok maybe the last ain't from history but they creep me out....huge super men with super fast reflexes I can deal....I can see and understand.....even servo skulls I get as a creepy way to send messages or data process....like a creepy r2d2...but the babies ......yeah. obviously they were created by a dude with little womanly experience. No mother ever made would let those be.....and we all know the key to a happy home is a happy wife. Two words to a happy marriage...."yes dear"....😮. Erda wouldn't have let those babies end up like that.....esp when you could build little servo skulls with mechanical limbs that could do the same. In the heat of battle if I saw it I'd prob shoot it.....just saying.
i only just found this vid but as a blood angels fanatic i want to say thank you for being the first person to actully say where the black rage came from and how the sanguinor was made with actual examples and not just "warp shenanigans "
So what did the act of pressing a decapitated head off onto a hot golden mask do? im confused is it to imbue a part of his soul into it or just Blood Angel rite?
Sanguinius is a dangerously Warp tainted animal, and should have been put down. The Blood Angels are better, without him, even with the curse he inflicted upon them.
Really good explanation. Every one of you Warhammer lore content creators brings something new to the table. Although I’ve listened to several videos about Mephiston I feel I found out something more today that tied strands together.
Sanguinius does not kill Horus and then half kill the Emperor. This is a stupid theory. How many times does Sanguinius say no to chaos to defeat Horus? He has accepted his death and his death is what triggers the black rage. Like half the point of Ruinstorm was this story line and i dont know how anyone who has read that book doesnt see that.
@TrexGrimStud this guys lore is on point. I wasn't even commenting towards the video I was commenting at the 30 people in the comments section talking about how great the theory of Sanguinius killing horus is.
It's an oddly prevalent theory. I even saw 40k theories post a video being like "yeah it's kinda a cool idea, but here is 4 minutes of why that never happened"
Was that part about Sanguinius falling to rage and killing his son only to be stopped by the Saguinor part of a fan fic or was that a genuine story about something that happened in the canon?
Aren't the primaris Blood Angels free of the genetic defect that causes the red thirst and black rage? Hopefully that could allow the Sanguinor to get the upper hand as he will still be fed by the nobility of the Blood Angels while Mephiston won't be getting empowered by the new marines.
@@jorahtheexplorer3262 I really feel like WH40K needs a dedicated continuity team like the Star Wars extended universe used to have. They write at odds or even retcon each others stuff too much and I don't think it is entirely intentional... they just don't know what else is written out there regarding what they are writing themselves. I know I read in I think it was "Indomitus" that Cawl's primary improvement was controlling the defects and specifically mentioned the Blood Angels new geneseed and having eliminated the Red Thirst. Do you recall in which book they start to fall to the Red Thirst?
@@cyclone8974 So I'll be honest, I hate the theory of him falling to the Black Rage on the Vengeful Spirit and I don't think it'll happen. I will say in its defence, however, as the video shows, he has already fallen to the Black Rage and there has been nothing to suggest it cant happen again. How this makes sense, I don't know, but it can happen. It already happened.
In order, these are the main ones (though there are others inbetween) Unremembered Empire Herald of Sanguinius Angels of Caliban Ruinstorm Devastation of Baal Darkness in the Blood Mephiston City of Light
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HOOOOORRRRRUUUUUSSSS!!! YOU COWARD HIDING IN THAT XV88 BATTLESUIT!
agreed
In the death company episode, one of the blood Angel that has fallen into black rage cried out “ traitor to the throne” and “ the emperor will flay your soul”
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@penileymajorey7174 BROTHER WHY!?
If Leman Russ calls you a berserker it's time you sought professional help.
This is one of, if not the truest 40K comment I have ever seen.
If it's Angron who said it... well you really have to seek help IMMEDIATELY RIGHT TF NOW!!
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 I swear I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but I think you missed the point. It's not a comparison type thing. It takes away from my man's comment in explaining it but Russ was the Viking. That's where berserkers come from. Angron wouldn't have the knowledge of growing up on Fenris, thus wouldn't have said that.
@@michaelhowell2326 do you find it offensive?
well sorry then
“Berserk in the shape of a angel”
Seems like more evidence coming to light indicating that Sanguinius in fact had two minor warp entities baked into him which were released when his physical form was destroyed.
So the Sanguinor, Sanguinius, and whatever the name is for the Darkness that Mephiston carries.
Which that means that Sanguinius is a walking threesome, take that Fulgrim, you're still second to Sanguinius.
And he always will be
That plot is fuckin dumb. It spoils the mystery and heroism of the legion.
So he's a Trinity?
Gotta evolve somewhat, mystery is only mystery until it gets old and worn out
@@colonelturmeric558 Only for those who already have bought the army. To remove the mystery destroys the history for new people to the hobby.
"Every time a Blood Angel... performs a noble act, it strengthens the Sanguinor."
Lamenter Bros...
For Those We Cherish, We Die In Glory.
LESGOOOOO
Flesh Tearer bros this can't be happening...
it might be so sure that sanguinius is fully dead
Angry Space Marines..........
Khorne "which one of you assholes drank all the blood in the fridge?"
Sanguinious "I'm thirsty bruh"
It's no wonder Sanguinius was the greatest Warrior of all the Primarchs. Guy had wings and was a full blown psycho who was just about keeping a lid on it.
Tyranid screaming for it's life
A Blood Angel: HOOOOOOOOOORUUUUUUS
@druidofscosglen2868 Tyranids are bald. Therefore its undeniably Horus.
some random xeno with four arms screaming in terror turns out to be General Grevious.
@@JeanLucCaptainstill bald. Close enough.
So the Black Rage was always in the BA's geneseed then.
Sanguinius' fall didn't cause it, but merely expedited something that was akready there
That's what Darkness in the Blood could be implying, it could also be Warp nonsense.
Certainly, Ruinstorm says a few times that Sanguinius can feel the Black Rage in him even before his death.
I always understood it as a combination of multiple factors. Sanginius had a huge potential for extreme rage he kept under control. And when he was around the BAs were able to do so following his example atleast they could so easier. When he died in his deepest rage the psykic shock was sent to all his sons and got imprinted in all of then so deepnit was copied in theor own gene seed. And since all new astartes now are made based on that of the old ones it is passed on to all the new ones too. Now, whenever they fall into the rage the intese rage and imprint of theor fathers death overwhelms them and traps them in the falshback so to say.
It‘s now not the same black rage they had in them all the time. So it has neither been there from the start and at the same time has been.
Incorrect the rage is psychic thing. Their thirst is the flaw and it was ever present.
Think of his death as the match stick that lit the inferno. The fuel was already there but then ones that one flame ignited it was a conflagration.
that @@rislingpodiumperformance
I think we can all agree that we are ready for both Sanguinious fighting Horus in the last siege of terra novels and if the Lions modern lore leads to him seeking a revival of Singuinious as it seems to be hinting at.
Source for the Lion seeking to Rez sang please
Sang can never be resurrected, it would cheapen his sacrifice
@@danielsneap1520 there's some slight hints in items presented to the Lion by an aspect of Emps in the Lions newer novel.
@@a.N..... if you read the latest siege book, his sacrifice doesn't so much affect Emps winning against Horus. It also opens up reviving primarchs from death. I won't go too far into spoilers here for now
Sanguinius, Dante, Mephiston, Raldoron, Askallon, the Sanguinor, Astorath the depth of phenomenal characters of the Blood Angels is why they are so loved by the fans.
Oh yes vampires are very original
@rhetoric5173 never said they where original but they are far more than just vampires and the characters have depth. Anyone who doesn't see that is either a hater or didn't read the books.
@rhetoric5173 also you are a Chaos lover and Sanguinius hater based on previous posts so nothing you say can be taken seriously.
Previous posts?
@rhetoric5173 yes I can see the last 3 posts you have on this channel with a click. It's obvious how bias you are.
Mephiston is honestly my favorite character in this whole universe. He’s insanely complex
If he wasn't so stupidly op I would like him too
He's my favorite, too. I saw a lore video on him 5 months ago and been buying ever since. I'm at 8500 points of marines so far.
@@skaut_games7644 he’s op but honestly we have immortals like volcan out there. Mephiston is tortured and carries a huge burden and it’s just a great story.
@@michaelmaddox2536all put together and painted?
He's awesome
Anyone ever notice how similar the blood droplet on Sanguinius's chest plate looks to the eye on Horus's Chest?
I think it’s an adapted eye of terra as opposed to the eye of horus
@@Firefrab no IT'S THEY EYE OF SAURON!!!
Warhammer 40 k is drenched in symbolism. I bet you will find similar droplets on different armor.
Every battle, detail, or thoughtprocess is full of real life symbolism.
What if, and hear me out, WHAT IF, the Sanguinor appeared durring Sanguinius' fight with the War Master, and revealed himself to have become a warp altered mirrored reflection of his Primarch, and as a final act, to serve and save his lord, flung Sanguinius into the warp to trade places with him, and died in his place? And that's how GW brings back Sanguinius lol
#PROVEMEWRONG lol.
I really hope that doesn't happen and don't get me wrong, he's my favorite Primarch, but it would kinda ruin the story behind everything
@@timt6058 Yeah, this. Sanguinius is dead and has to be dead. Sacrifice loses all meaning if you pull a "lmao sike" later. Sanguinius now serves as an idol, a legendary figure to aspire to. BE like Sanguinius, for he is no more and someone needs to take his place.
@@ExceedProduction Sanguinius will stay dead until GW needs a quick cash infusion. But never say never as they're already retconning the Emperor/Horus fight.
@@JimH. What do you mean by that???
There's a possibility that Dante may be the key for the angel, But what do you guys think?
Maybe, I personally think that we will see something along the lines of the Sanguinor becoming a host for a large part of Sanguinius' soul
@@SandmanofTerra That's what I thought too 😊
I hope he gets a devil may cry outfit just for the hell of it xD
Sanguinnor, dante and memphiston does the fusion dance and become sanguinius
lets be fr tho the emperor was telling robot girlyman to bring him sanginius’ corpse during the gathering storm
We know the sanguinor has appeared before Dante.
Could he be the one who unites the Lion and Gulliman.
That would be so cool
Theory: Black Angel and Sanguinor merge together with Dante to resurrect Sanguinius
I think it’d be interesting to have Dante be boosted in power by Sanginious in some way, then die having saved the emperor/ imperium.
@@calebcollins5887 What is sanginiouse?
@@jannovy7229Sanguinius is the Former Leader of the Blood Angels and their Primarch who died during the final battle of the Horus Heresy
That would maybe reforge his Soul. Now you need a fitting Body for him ...
Will you ask Cawl or Bile for that? :D
I love it. Thanks for relaying this story thread. I started 40k 28 years ago so that I could field Mephiston. I thought he was one of the coolest characters I've ever seen. I'm really glad his story has been fleshed out so much today.
OOOOOOOHHHH SHIIIIITTTTT, that guy haley quote just spooked the hell out of me. I have been mulling over a custom chapter and only recently the name came to me, Peragones, and that quote sealed up who (they claim) to be descended from
what if ... instead of fighting, the sanguinor and mephiston were ... connecting/joining ? could this bring back Sanguinius ?
Perhaps, though there's no sign of that in the books
The more that is revealed about the primarchs, the more i'm starting to think the Emperor welded their immaterial reflection, and material body into one.
That they are beings brought forth by the fusing of Warp and Realspace, nigh unique in their existence.
That this was the deal made with the Gods of Ruin; The fusing shut of the space between Warp and Realspace.
Always wondered why the lore doesn't lean more into a Khorne interest in Sanguineous. It just makes sense
There is a reference to this in Fear to Tread if I remember correctly
Thats why i kinda like the dornian heresy where he fell to khorn (or was it the lionel heresy or the roubotian)
Wet dream for Khorne.
@@cjthebeesknees sanguinius fueled by khorne would be something to see
@@nicholai7300 OP, be able to b!tch slap our esteemed emperor with frightening ease.
You have done an amazing job with your Lord videos, I am blown away. From a Blood Angels fan.
Thanks so much! really appreciate you supporting the channel mate
I do not know what lives within me.
I do not know how this hunger might grow.
This, I know...
I hold DARKNESS in my hands.
IT IS MINE,
And this is my vow...
It IS and shall ALWAYS be
The DARKNESS of Holy Extermination!
For the glory of The Blood Angels!
For Sanguinius!
For the Emperor!
For the Emperor!!!
So much tension in the imperium right now. Russ needs to return with his chill bro energy and help out.
How do Blood Angels fans feel about the potential revival of Sanguinius?
To be honest, as much as I love it, and it has been hinted at, I’m against it.
Unless the Silent King is keeping Sanguinius safe until he really needs something like Sanguinius in a pinch.
The Emperor is getting more powerful by the day. He could easily make Sanguinius 2.0 if he wanted to. He has enough Blood Angels souls coupled with Mephistopheles & Dante’s souls to create one whole Sanguinius if needed.
I just think it belittles the sacrifice the perfect son made for humanity.
GW would need to be some serious hacks to bring Sanguinius back. It would ruin his entire legacy and the value of his sacrifice.
Oh wait... they ARE hacks...
Guess it's time to buy a Sanguinor model
You’re by far the best 40k UA-camr. Fantastic video!
Thanks very much!
Is this all cannon? Specifically the identity of the Sanguinor
It is indeed.
Herald of Sanguinius and Ruinstorm are the stories you need to read
he plucked a feather from his dad's wings lol, that's funny to imagine him asking for one
and sangy just goes: Of course my Son.
I really like the theory that Sangy just aped out and incapacitated the emperor after killing Horus.
Looks like it's might become a reality.
No no no. The events in Ruinstorm make this an absolutely silly proposition. He has already accepted the black rage as the consequences of him denying chaos. Honestly if they retcon that bit it will be the most singular piece of stupid GW has ever done.
@@ragingmoderate6791 what? no no, the theory is that sanguinius killed horus after horus triggered the rage after hurting sangy hard enough instead of the offical story where horus kills sang. then the big E walks in with S in huge rage mode, and doesn't want to kill his favorite son until he is forced to. its sang not thinking straight in his rage state not him deciding to take any vengance.
@sovietunion7643 I said nothing about vengeance. This whole thing stems from old lore that said the reason the emperor didn't just immediately destroy horus was because he was his favorite son. It's pretty clear they aren't going with this angle due to the siege of terra books building horus up to be completely filled with chaos power. The whole thing is based on lore that isn't going to he canon anymore.
@@ragingmoderate6791Horus can be full chaos and still be the Emperor's favourite son. It's not the first time parents are blind to the flaws or their children
There was a fan theory that the Sanguinor is actually Horus, taken by the emperor in the last moments of the Heresy, when the chaos gods abandoned him. Instead of killing him, he forced Horus into the armor, tasked to protect his brother’s sons by wearing a mask of his murdered kin.
It’s an idea metal enough that id actually like to see it.
It's represents the holy trinity.
so basically they went through all that trouble to appoint the sanguinor, and then dude found out there was no job opening?
It sounds like the Sanguinor has become a minor warp deity. Like it was said any act his brothers do strengthens him but perhaps any fallen blood angel’s soul goes to Sanguinor much like the Eldar do to Slaneesh, strengthens him further. Maybe with a bit of the Emperors guidance he sends the Sanguinor to aid his brothers in battle from the warp during the darkest times.
OOF... they pulled a Victor Von Doom with that mask.
I read the thumbnail way too fast and thought it said fallen to the black race 😂😂😂
Sanguinius gets so sad about his own death that he gets the black rage......... raven guard no longer the kings of the emo marines
That's definitely one way of phrasing it 😂
Damn that was good
My money is on Sanguinius in Black Rage beating Russ and Lion and fighting Angron at least to standstill.
He beat angron though… in his normal state vs Antron’s daemon prince state. Sangy implaled angron and angron couldn’t move for several unreal seconds. And in saying that, angron grabbed sanguinius’s spear and through it at super sonic speed breaking the sound barrier and sangy just caught it and spun and threw it back, angron expecting to catch the twig, for Impaled
Sanguinius will be an imperial deamon prince. Called to battle like how the eldar call the avatar of kain.
"with fates of 4 intertwined makes the gates of 8."
(The 8 watch helpless. As the 9th Vashtor steps forth intersecting the first malal chaos undivided...)
"With chaos I divide... with chaos you Divine.. now.. wager me this... your 4.. my 8.}
Guys I literally got goose bumps hearing of the Sanguinor taking his father's place
Has it ever been explained why the Blood Angels experience the Black Rage yet the Iron Hands haven’t suffered the same? Their Primarch was murdered by his most beloved brother after all.
Edit: could it have been due to Horus being so utterly corrupted by the Ruinous Powers when he killed his brother, and Fulgrim was not yet a thrall of Slaanesh when he slew Ferrus?
So I think the reasoning is because of the golden and black angels
What book is this from?
In order, these are the main ones (though there are others inbetween)
Unremembered Empire
Herald of Sanguinius
Angels of Caliban
Ruinstorm
Devastation of Baal
Darkness in the Blood
Mephiston City of Light
It's a reasonable assumption to make that Sanguinius was in fact both the black & golden angel, crammed into a genetically engineered body. It's been heavily implied that's what the Emperor took from the warp at Molech, nascent gods who had not yet awakened. The Primarchs were like enhanced Astartes but instead of a human soul, each had either a singular warp entity filling that role or multiple. Very unsettling to consider because it means they are/were essentially daemons. No wonder half of them fell to Chaos. E was absolutely insane to even try this shit
Sanguinius succumbed to the Black Rage and slew Horus and vegetated our beloved Emperor. So did his Divine Primarch Soul split into the Angel of Light and the Angel of Darkness. Dante and Mephiston.
*succumbed
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 Thank you for the correction.
Nope. Sangunior and Mephiston are the Light/Dark and Dante is the 'human' element of Sanguinius as well as his grounding to Baal. The three of them compose what it is Sanguinius was as a whole.
This is a very Interesting theory, If Horus died to Rage Mode Sangy then BIG E go Bitch slap sangy.
But wouldn't this just prove that Abaddon Is Horus 2.0, a Failure of a Son and a Failure of a Father.
Yo, i will cry real life tears when sanguinius comes back
What book is the scene from at the start where Sanguinius falls to the rage and attacks his son???
Unknown to even the Emporer of Mankind itself, Sanguinius had a twin Brother, Sanguinor.
And after millenia of helping only in the worst battle the ledion had to fight, became the sign of we can't do shit, without Demi-Gods helping us...
So much Religion, in so little everything else. The one thing that always disgust me about 40k, is Religion in Sci-Fi and the lack of Science in every described piece of machinery.
"Yeah it work with belief into the emperor!" "Then why don't you build more of that?" " Its ancient, before Big E was a corps and every religion was erradicated." "Then, how can it even work with Belief?" "Don't know, don't care, praise the omnisiah!"
Can someone please tell me the song title that plays at 12:30?
The Eternal War - Dream Cave
@@SandmanofTerra You're amazing, thank you!!!
great video.. amazing the editing is crazy .. your voice amazing
19:23- Great video so far……. I do have a question about this picture though! Why does the picture of Guilliman make him look like he’s in white armor with black and gray here and there? I would say it’s a black and white picture but his eyes are red!?! Obviously it could still be one of those black and white pictures but with a little bit of color to draw the viewer to focus on that part!?! Is that it? Or does the leader of the blueberry boys have a almost all white suit of armor? I think it could be bad a$$ if so. But I just want to make sure it’s a lore accurate suit first!?! Thanks
Haha Thanks!
It's just the artist's style. Black and white with red eyes
I think it would have been such a cool twist if Sanguinius actually lost control when fighting horus, and with the power of chaos actually killed horus and then had to be secretly put down by the emperor when he arrived... Would have been an insanely badass end for sangy, especially if finally receiving forgiveness from emps before dying, and would have put some real grimdark meat on the legion's subsequent black rage issues... Also would have been a much more believable reason for emps to hesitate and therefore get so mortally wounded. It could have been Tzeentch's plan all along, only narrowly foiled by the emperor's monumental sacrifice. Instead poor sangy has to get cut down like a pleb by the emo bald man. Welp, not happening for now anyway. Great Vidya!
HOOOOOOOOORUUUUUUUS WHY DID YOU DO IT?!!!
I love how the grim darkness has roots in all our myths and religion. Vampires (blood angels) werewolves (space wolves) zombies, orks, creepy preachers, creepier cupid babies , ok maybe the last ain't from history but they creep me out....huge super men with super fast reflexes I can deal....I can see and understand.....even servo skulls I get as a creepy way to send messages or data process....like a creepy r2d2...but the babies ......yeah. obviously they were created by a dude with little womanly experience. No mother ever made would let those be.....and we all know the key to a happy home is a happy wife. Two words to a happy marriage...."yes dear"....😮. Erda wouldn't have let those babies end up like that.....esp when you could build little servo skulls with mechanical limbs that could do the same. In the heat of battle if I saw it I'd prob shoot it.....just saying.
Sanguinius losses his shit
The Emperor: YES!!! LET YOUR HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU!!!!
I want Ahriman and Mephiston to throw down Psychically
i only just found this vid but as a blood angels fanatic i want to say thank you for being the first person to actully say where the black rage came from and how the sanguinor was made with actual examples and not just "warp shenanigans "
Crazy theory, what if Mephiston and the Sanguinor “fuse” and become one, would that result in a temporary return of Sanguinius? Imagine that
This is a lot of new info to me! Thank you!
I'm glad it was useful!
So what did the act of pressing a decapitated head off onto a hot golden mask do? im confused is it to imbue a part of his soul into it or just Blood Angel rite?
8:50
Whats that soundtrack called
Also amazing video
Thanks!
Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen - The Atonement
Why a secret? Like, why did it have to be a secret from sanguinius?
Unfortunately there is a heretical theory.
What if a Marine was to pilot another marine with Virtual Reality game console.
Very good!
Sounds like HERESY
to be honest when they meet They will hug and Bury there Never easy relationship For The Imperiums survival they should do that tbh
Sanguinius is a dangerously Warp tainted animal, and should have been put down. The Blood Angels are better, without him, even with the curse he inflicted upon them.
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What's the song around min 25 ?
black rage or the thirst ?? what ?????
UA-cam recommends this video to me and it's timing is funny since 40k theories did a video recent on the Angel
Love it! Blood Angels let's goooo!
What’s the the soundtrack that plays when Sanguinius and the others make their way to terra?
this cannon? so awesome
This is cannon
@@SandmanofTerra just finished it now wow!!! so cool!
How could he eat with the mask seared onto his face?
Great video
I hope Sanguinius falls to the black rage against Horus and kills him.
Really good explanation. Every one of you Warhammer lore content creators brings something new to the table. Although I’ve listened to several videos about Mephiston I feel I found out something more today that tied strands together.
Much appreciated!
Love these lore videos
Vive l'empereur,,, et vive la France !! Ou la Bretonie !! ^^
Sanguinius does not kill Horus and then half kill the Emperor. This is a stupid theory. How many times does Sanguinius say no to chaos to defeat Horus? He has accepted his death and his death is what triggers the black rage. Like half the point of Ruinstorm was this story line and i dont know how anyone who has read that book doesnt see that.
The answer is that they don't read and get their lore from youtube
this guy shouldnt call this nonsense lore . or call his channel a lore channel if he does . just trash fan fiction .
@TrexGrimStud this guys lore is on point. I wasn't even commenting towards the video I was commenting at the 30 people in the comments section talking about how great the theory of Sanguinius killing horus is.
It's an oddly prevalent theory. I even saw 40k theories post a video being like "yeah it's kinda a cool idea, but here is 4 minutes of why that never happened"
@druidofscosglen2868 That's pretty much by desing and Sanguinius going through black rage and being killed by Emperor is oddly fitting for W40k.
Was that part about Sanguinius falling to rage and killing his son only to be stopped by the Saguinor part of a fan fic or was that a genuine story about something that happened in the canon?
I don't cover fan fic on this channel. It's a genuine story
Can ypu get this figure to use in tabletop?
You can! Though he has quite an outdated model and I suspect will be updated in the future
@@SandmanofTerra cool il check it out
Blasphemy and slander...
😬 I can only tell you what the holy books (black Library) say!
finally, some good content that is not full of AI imagery and read out by an AI voice ;_ ;
My only redeeming feature is that I am in fact a real person
“…of the blood…”? Is this another Twilight novel?
Basically
Aren't the primaris Blood Angels free of the genetic defect that causes the red thirst and black rage? Hopefully that could allow the Sanguinor to get the upper hand as he will still be fed by the nobility of the Blood Angels while Mephiston won't be getting empowered by the new marines.
Not any more, Primaris are starting to fall as well, the Redeemer has even have been summoned to care for them
@@jorahtheexplorer3262 I really feel like WH40K needs a dedicated continuity team like the Star Wars extended universe used to have. They write at odds or even retcon each others stuff too much and I don't think it is entirely intentional... they just don't know what else is written out there regarding what they are writing themselves. I know I read in I think it was "Indomitus" that Cawl's primary improvement was controlling the defects and specifically mentioned the Blood Angels new geneseed and having eliminated the Red Thirst. Do you recall in which book they start to fall to the Red Thirst?
@thenson1Halo they fell in the Codex IIRC and it's in the Redeemer of the Lost novel.
So sanguinus is not above fall.
except it doesn't make sense. The Black Rage was reliving Sanguinius being killed.
@@cyclone8974 So I'll be honest, I hate the theory of him falling to the Black Rage on the Vengeful Spirit and I don't think it'll happen.
I will say in its defence, however, as the video shows, he has already fallen to the Black Rage and there has been nothing to suggest it cant happen again. How this makes sense, I don't know, but it can happen. It already happened.
@@SandmanofTerraHurray for space magic bullshit!
Howevaaaa
Its a good breakdown. I like it.
Wow did not know this
Is this official lore?
I only cover official lore
@@SandmanofTerra ok well I'll sub cause your the only one who does cool lore like this
I thought azkekellion was the sanguinor
He is not the Sanguinor, but he does "create" the Sanguinor in a way
@@SandmanofTerra I see that now I always thought it was him tho still the sanguinor is based
HORUSSUSSY
Great video
What song was used in the beginning?
Sciophobia by Jo Wandrini
what music did you use?
Various music licensed from Epidemic sound
What’s the source for all this ? New book?
In order, these are the main ones (though there are others inbetween)
Unremembered Empire
Herald of Sanguinius
Angels of Caliban
Ruinstorm
Devastation of Baal
Darkness in the Blood
Mephiston City of Light
@@SandmanofTerra awesome man thanks .. missed some of these
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