How Air Traffic Control Works
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2019
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Hey all, so in case you didn't see the announcement video, we launched a new scripted podcast last Wednesday called Extremities. It's all about why and how people live in earth's most isolated and extreme settlements.
In season one, we tell the story of Pitcairn Island--a small British territory in the South Pacific with just 50 people. It's 300 miles/500 kilometers away from the nearest other inhabited place, 3000 miles/5000 kilometers away from the nearest city, and 10,000 miles/16,000 kilometers away from its capital city in London. The twist and turns that Pitcairn takes through history and the explanation of why and how Pitcairn still exists today are fascinating, in my biased opinion.
Episode 1 is out now, episode 2 comes out tomorrow, and I'd love it if you'd give it a listen. Extremities is available at the following places:
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I hope you enjoy!
-Sam
Liked your own comment I see
I've waited for this for months, almost a year. And here it is!
small mistake on the slide at 6:08.
Belgocontrol is now called Skeyes. ;) (and they are understaffed or at least claim to be) => It has happend many times now that planes aren't allow to take-off land for several hours in the night.
Will you also do a video about SESAR'?
Loving it so far. :)
Have you thought about doing a video on airline operation managers?
Roses are red
Violets are blue
This guy loves planes
And so do you
Fahim Rahman Mustard would like to correct your claim :)))
Not really they scare the fuck out of me
Don't tell me what to do. I want to not figure that out all by myself.
Me liek aeroplaenz
Me... An aviation geek
Just when we think he's run out of airplane related videos...
no such limit exists
When he run out, he will explain how Flight Simulator works
Never
Then he'll move on to space flight...
Never I hope
I love how they have a route for when France is on strike like it's a regular occurrence.
The French being always on strike is a national stereotype. It may be a bit unfair, but they do seem to be on strike more than other countries.
Dave Sisson it’s the new version of “the french are revolting!”
Maybe it's about time the rest of the world went on strike against France.
@@floxy20 Maybe it's about time the rest of the world *strike like France*.
Drew F brother even i have "routes" for when the stupid métro and trains are on strike, i literally am waiting in a station because Parisian transport is on strike
I was in a flight from Berlin to Barcelona on May 9th. EasyJet chose to wait out the delay, so we had to sit for three hours in the plane and wait. It sucked, but it got to the point where the pilots offered "tours" into the cockpit where we could ask them what we wanted and take pictures of us "flying" the plane, it was really awesome and saved my day :)
wow
wow
wow
wow
wow
Air traffic control is an easy job at Pyongyang, only one flight a day
Lol!
😂😂😂 You just got me with that!
And you are the one saying that xD
I thought you only took that secret green train that everyone knows about.
Lol
I'm an air traffic controller in Langen (German ACC and we are in charge of the western part of Germany) and it's incredibly good described. Good Job!
What's Buddha bread?
How does one become an air traffic controller?
Zahlt die dfs wirklich so gut?
How's the job?
@floatpool well, I guess their hiring strategy works since there aren't any crashes.
I love that the French get an honorable mention for striking. Classic.
Regan just fired them all.
@@synpse He was able to do that because America is a chickenshit country. If the ruling class tried to do that to French workers, it'd quickly escalate into a general strike.
based Reagan
they are a bit strange anyhow :)
@@Fopenplop so labor union can easily cripple your entire country if they don't get what they want. doesn't that make France the chickenshit country? btw how many French Republic are we in now? i think we are in the fifth now.
No one's noticing, but this channel is now directly interviewing people of consequence in the airline domain. Usually these videos have a lot of references, but not that many this time because he's getting credible information right from those who do the job. That a silent but noticeable altitude gain for this channel! Keep soaring!
i think it's so dope that you actually went to eurocontrol.
Wendover can fly anywhere to get information about flying
He lives in United Kingdom, so it’s not that far.
It's not about distance but the opportunity to visit. My high school applied to visit our local ATC for (at least) 7 years, to no avail.
@@deep.space.12 were there muslims in your class?
@@edwin3928ohd lmaoo
I don't know why people complain about airplane related videos when those are the best!
It's just a meme
The faceless Yeah.
The Wendover guy ghost wrote this
Cuz it's like the parent having a favorite kid; the ither topics need attention too!
This comment is sponsored by wendower
10:37 R.I.P. Thomas Cook Airlines
The exact comment which I was looking for.
Well no more shortages of Air Traffic Controllers since covid19.
Conspiracy theory:
Wendover Productions is part of the international civil aviation organization and his goal is to recruit more pilots into the industry
Sign me up lol
TheAnonymousChicken nah didn‘t he say that there is a shortage of Air Traffic Controllers
....is this really a conspiracy? I mean... it's not a bad thing.
It’s working, and I’m not mad.
Garth Wolf sounds like a business strategy to me
1:53 the highlight of this video is the minion meme that was printed and hung up on the wall
r/terriblefacebookmemes
wait this isn’t reddit
r/woosh
Marc Lincer r/itswooooshwith4os
@@kylel.9575 r/grammarnazis...also didn't realize you left both comments and hence why I left that there in the first place
I just want to give a shout out to all the air traffic controllers around the world. I know usually the pilots are the highly praised and cheered (rightfully so), but air traffic controllers are also the unsung heroes for all of us getting safely from point A to B safely which rarely get the credit they deserve. Most of us don't even think about them when flying but they have such a crucial part.
This is one of the jobs that is not for everybody, you really must have nerves of steel and very sharp mind to deal with all that stress, pressure and responsibility where even a small mistake could lead to tragedy. I worked as a truck dispatcher for year and a half and it was such a stressful and demanding job so I can't imagine having to deal with planes and keep everything on track.
Airplanes: Exist
Wendover Productions: It’s free real estate
Wasnt that meme killed 3 years ago?
Wendover Productions is secretly a Boeing 747
And his second plane is half as airworthy
No. He sounds more like a 737.
@@slippulter8053 He's certainly down-to-earth.
@@dedewx9550 actually that's his airline
@@6yjjk maximum ouch
Just when I thought Wendover couldn't be more into planes...
This guy has a plane fetish
And so do i this is interesting
right?! I wasn't even remotely interested yet I'm always excited when a new one comes out
As a US based pilot, I'm a huge fan of ATC in the US. They do a great job and are a great group of folks.
انا من اليمن متزوج واريد العمل معكم ومعي شهاده ثالث ثانوي ولا اجيد الانجليزيه اعمل في air traffic control
"Summer 2019 is going to be messy"
**Laughs in COVID**
This video aged like a fine milk.
All those upvotes and no one mentioned that Covid19 didn't bring us lockdowns until 2020?
People never heard the term Covid until early 2020.
Or am I missing something?...
Well, he wasn't wrong. 😅
I bet Wendovers morning alarm is Terrain! Terrain! Pull up! Pull up!
His alarm is "Butter" by Swiss001
Windshear, Windshear, Windshear.
"50, 40, 30, 20, Retard, Retard...."
Mine really is. :)
@@mfaizsyahmi Why would have an alarm call him a retard?
Wendover Productions: *Uploads*
CGP Grey : *Also* *uploads*
Me : Wait, something ain’t right
So you thought because you have never seen both in the same room at the same time, that ...
this comment is half as interesting as the others
also grandayy
Wait, That's Illegal.
Frank Schneider nah is because they both don’t upload regularly
In Australia, we have 2 flight information regions: Brisbane FIR and Melbourne FIR. Airservices Australia’s Main bases are there. Then each airport has an approach (terminal) controller and a tower. Ground is controlled from the approach centre.
We have 13 controllers at BNE overnight, and it goes to en route (the FIR Control centre) at FL180.
I spent 37 years trying to explain to people what I did for a living until I retired (thereby adding to the controller shortage) last year. If only I could have directed people to this video. They might not have watched it to the end, though they should do, but it would have got them off my back!
Once my controller sent me in the completely opposite direction from where I was supposed to fly
Then I restarted FSX
Welcome to Steam Edition
Blog it
happened to my buddy, i was backseat, ended up yelling at the controler
Who's ready for the 2019 update?!
@@keonix506 Actually it was the Gold edition
I don't know, ask the people at Berlin's Brandenburg airport
I have concluded my research
The Tower still burning, fire went in the Tower from the Terminal via Anti-Fire-Wiring
Most eco-friendly airport in the world! :)
BER is the airport of the future, and always will be!
Man, I don't trust Ground Control,
They left Major Tom at Mars.
To be honest though when he was talking about Ground Control and said Apron instead of “TaRmAcK” I nutted just a little bit.
Carl Rothenhaus du
@@Carlyknarly The apron is the aircraft parking lot - passenger boarding gate areas etc. "Tarmac" is confusing because it also can mean the actual road surface material. Most airport roadways are concrete, not "tarmac" or bitumen.. Different countries may use different terms for the same area of the airport. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_apron
Im lauging so hard haha
"2019 will be busy"
Little did they know that next year would be way easier
Airplanes: **exists**
Wendover Productions: *It’s free real estate*
Bad meme and also bad you.
.
Stop
KK holy shit these are getting annoying. It’s because the aviation industry is full of people working around the clock to get planes up and down safely. There’s so much to talk about when it comes to the general fundamentals of aviation, and he clearly likes aviation, not to mention the views he gets on aviation related videos - there’s no reason to stop! His first big video was about aviation.
DAMN IT I WROTE IT AND THEN SAW THIS COMMENT
34 years U.S. ATC. I retired from the world's busiest facility handling about 2.1 million operations yearly. '''Twas a FANTASTIC career!!!
I WORK AT THE AIRPORT AS A EQUIPMENT OPERATOR AND DRIVES TOW TRACTOR I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE STAFF AND RESPECTS THEM A LOT.....FROM TOP TO BOTTOM EACH ONE IS TIED UNDER THE STRICT TIME MANAGEMENT TO TRANSFER PASSENGERS SAFELY......TO THERE DESIRED DESTINATIONS....AND THE ATC JOB HATTS OFF TO YOULL WHO JUST WORK 24 BY 7 TAKING LOADS OF PRESSURE AND HANDLES THE INBOUND AND OUTBOUND AIRCRAFTS SO SMOOTHLY.....GOD BLESS ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY......
At 4:36 the less than greater than signs are reversed.
martinmpop19 yes! It took a lot of math classes to remember that! No way I'd forget at this point
hah came here just to look for this comment
This channel is perfect for plane lovers like me
Check out the channel Mustard
The minions meme taped to the wall at 1:52 is cracking me up
"Every day I arrive at work with good intentions and a great attitude... Then idiots happen."
Well done guys. You managed to capture something rather complex in an easily understandable way. Brgds, Ken
Hey, you're the guy in the video!
How Air Traffic Works
Sponsor: Hover
Coincidence?
You missed the think not part
Hotel? Trivago.
Illuminati confirmed.
He was already making a bunch of videos on the topic. Generally sponsors go towards videos that are relevant. And for him it aligns with what he loves to talk about.
Hotel?
Trivago
Your videos are insanely well made, all of them researched super well and all on interesting topics!
O9oiiiiiķiķik.
That's really interesting! I'd never given much thought into how complicated ATC must be - thanks for explaining, and showing how impressive the whole system is
Coronavirus be like: I see you Air Traffic Controllers. Y'all need a break. I'm gonna make everyone stay inside for summer 2020. I got you.
So true I’m COVID
Dear Covid, how nice of you. But you may stop now please :)
TheMrRusti I’ll think I’ll stay for a couple more months
Can't say I've watched the video, but what I can say is that your podcast is absolutely brilliant so far! I can't wait for the next episode!
Do you know how to upload it on UA-cam?
@@devoted_eater567 just listen to it on ExtremitiesPodcast.com
Rahma Shaib its free on ios devices
Free on spotify also
Only comment Wendover liked. #StagedComment
Really makes one appreciate the meticulous planning that goes on behind the scenes. Great video.
4:35 You say that they handle traffic above 24500ft, however the text says below 24500ft!
Wait, that's illegal....
No?
Holy shit I love planes,
So do you...
Airports: WENDOVER MAKE ANOTHER AIR TRAVEL VIDEO, *We Need More Air Travelers!*
The aviation aspect is why I follow this channel. Keep it coming!
you guys really do a kick ass job. the interviews were really great, worth your extra effort
This is exactly the amount of detail I like
Oh my god
You decided to choose such a complex region for this video
A route between Chicago to New York would have ended this video in 5 mins!
It is a bit simpler due to the lack of political divisions of the airspace but there are still a bunch of people involved in that, mostly due to limitations on both the technology (Radar line of sight limits, radio channel capacity etc) and of course the limitations of the human elements (Air traffic controllers can only handle so many aircraft safely before the limits of what is humanly possible causes unacceptable risks). At minimum you would have the Chicago airport ground, Chicago tower, Chicago TRACON, New York TRACON, and the tower and ground controllers at the NY airport accepting the flight etc. Not sure if there are any other intermediates but the NY area and the Chicago area are most definitely under completely different centres in particular due to the fact both manage a mess of very busy airports. Particularly large ones of course include JFK, LGA, EWR etc on the New York side and ORD and MDW on the Chicago side.
The NY ones are particularly complex as they have three very busy airports so close together that their approach paths are inherently in conflict and thus there is constant coordination needed to ensure that only compatible runway sets across all the airports are designated as active etc.
This route makes the video way more interesting, though
I don't think that was the point
@@seraphina985 There are intermediaries. After Chicago TRACON, they'd be switched to Chicago Center, then Cleveland Center, then New York Center and then into New York TRACON etc.
The En Route Centers in the U.S. have a very similar design to the European ones mentioned in the video. (Each split into areas, then split further into sectors).
Seraphina S
And that's the job of AT controllers employed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Such a lovely organization... NOT.
Actually, all three airports are in the top 10 airports (in the US) in terms of average minutes of delay PER FLIGHT. Chicago-O'Hare, San Francisco Int'l, Boston-Logan, and Philadelphia Int'l are the other major culprits I can remember. I think Denver might be on the list as well (snow in the winter, severe thunderstorms and tornadoes from late spring to early fall). Chicago Midway may be on the list as well.
It's soo good to see independent creators overtake BBC on every level! You never see this nice animation, commentary and narration on a bulk produced documentary. You even had interviewees! Nice job, love you videos!
Benedek Fodor Best part is, taxpayers don’t subsidise the independent creators!!!
I'm an air traffic controller in Canada. This was a rather excellent simplification of what the job entails! Good work!
This is incredibly well produced, as always! Just subscribed to that new podcast as well. I'm fascinated by super remote areas!
Airplanes: I fly
Wendover: Can I marry you?
@@supercool1312 that's big chungus. He just has a bunny character from bugs bunny show.
This is a perfect excuse to procrastinate for my airline transport pilot licence exams in 2 days 👌🏼
Edit: got my licence in November 2020! No clue how the aviation industry will go, but hopefully it'll recover soon!
Edit 2: As of February 2022, I am now a fully Type Rated Boeing 737-800 pilot, working for a major European carrier 😁 thank you for your support guys!
Adam G good luck!
So how's things ? Got your Licence bro ?
@@veraxthefourth4314 still waiting on the results 😬 gotta build about 240 hours of flying on the top of theory as well...
Adam G what about now? Did you get it?
@@sherell234 all 14 theoretical exams done and passed :) hour building now, should be done february-march 2020!
East of England where I live it's military airspace, avoided by airlines.
This was so satisfyingly detailed and the production quality was top notch! Especially appreciated the interviews. 👏
You don’t know how long I’ve been waiting for a comprehensive video on how air traffic control is organized in conjunction with flight plans. Thank you, Wendover! You’re a beast, love your work!
Also, can’t wait to check out your new podcast.
I'm currently in training to be a controller in the USA, so when I saw this video I was initially skeptical and assumed it would either skimp on depth or explanation, or just flat-out get things wrong.
Sam, you did a fantastic job of providing a great overview without getting into needless complexities that would've not only lowered the entertainment value, but likely created room for error. The only thing I wish you had touched on is standard instrument arrivals/departures, which are used to efficiently sequence aircraft landing and taking off in predictable ways. These allow for drastically reduced controller workload in the early and final (most complex) stages of the flight, and therefore higher traffic volume. To continue your traffic sequencing metaphor, they can be thought of as different on and off ramps to the airways. I look forward to seeing what you have in store next.
In Germany an air traffic Controller gets between 72000 € and up to 130000 €. Noted that that’s for a vocational training job, you don’t need to go to university.
The average income is 37’873 € a year, the median income is about 36'000 € a year.
How did you get into that?
How do you get into it? Is it only college or could you do on the job training, or vocational school?
@@dynamicsolution8166 get a associates degree just for that particularly job which would mean you go to community college for 2 years if you do everything your so post to do which is half of time then real college
@@Iamjah2 ☝🏾
ATC is literally my passion I love this video thanks for making it :)
The system that works the flight plans (FPL) is called IFPS (integrated flight plan system) and then the processed FPL goes to another system called ETFMS (enhanced tactical flow management system) and then goes to the ATC and AO (aircraft operator) and ARO (Air traffic services reporting office) I worked there and it was such a blast you made a video about it 😁😍😍
👏👏👏
As a professional working in the airline sector I can say this is a very thorough and accurate version. It's quite amazing that you managed to explain Eurocontrol's IFPS in such a mainstream piece of media. Kuddos for you Wendy!
Never thought about Air traffic control until Wendover did this
Diplomatically avoids mention of the frequent French ATC strikes and its impact on flow control.
Wow, so many planing and managing going on in the background. Hats off to these and others who make possible the uneventful flights.
Oh look, a Wendover video about planes
Holy shit I just realized you go like a full interview and inside the control room. This channel has grown alot
Half a million views in less than a day. Good job, Sam! Congrats on 2 MILLION subscribers as well. Its nice to know that some people on UA-cam actually want to use their time to learn about our world
Wright Brothers: *flies*
Wendover somehow already has a video script in 1903
i dont usually like these types of comments but this one is brilliant
@@horsefeed Is this an ad for brilliant?
Matt P dead meme dumb fucker
1:53 Minion meme is head of traffic control in Europe....
Was looking forward to this after your instagram stories ! Definitely didn’t let me down!
I'm already an expert because I watch airforceproud95
The level on which we are similar is probably off the charts
Yo yo same here. Love the other peoples spasms
lol same
Syn Shinsha don’t you mean groundpound69
I always click like before the video even starts as this man has never failed to satisfy my plane needs
best aviation documentary channel!!
Is this a sarcastic joke or is this an actual compliment?
Please answer anything but "yes"
Yes...
@@zaidakbaralmuharram2984 actual compliment!!
plz dont say this is sarcasm too
Been listening to the new podcast, it’s really amazing, and gives many details in everything that has happened at Pitcairn and its amazing history, really exited for the next podcast to come out.
I knew it was complicated and complex, but didn't imagine it was as complex as this. Thank you for the details!
Just few days before my state examination from Air Traffic Management I find it extremely useful! Thank you for a great video! Great job! Keep doing aviation related videos there is lot more to be shown to public :) Thank you!
just completed my PHD in airplanes from bendover productions university
Wendover*
@@AS-yf4jr woosh
Is that school in Burbank California?
Daniel V there are all other the world ! Llol
So did you get a job offer yet
1:31 Is that a motivational poster with a Minion?
Just wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoy your videos and your new podcast. I never thought someone could make isolated islands interesting. Well done!
so.....can pilots Alt+F4 on flight?
do aircraft lag out randomly?
If computers are not working properly the plane and the passengers may glitch out. Wort type of glitch is when you got not control over the airplane.
@@whoareyou1034 hate it when that happens
Lol, you shootin down the drones at Sydney with ya Bren Guns Right??
Bob Semple ツ what do you think happened to Malaysia flight 370
@@blizzyyt2281 I thought it's more of a Ctrl+Alt+Del instead of Alt+F4
Flight just became 3 times more complicated than it already was for me
Ok im LOVING your addition of micro interviews!!
Your production value just skyrocketed! thank you for providing this for free to us.
Real Life Lore run out of Toyota Corolla jokes, but Wendover still have airplane videos.
No, I just consumed all his jokes and now he fears me
Toyota Corolla wow you really made an account for real life lore !
Error: Greater than is >, not < for flight level 245 @ 4:40.
Didn't see it at 4:40. Maybe it was somewhere else?
4:35
Error: robot returned bad timestamp.
jtn2002 it is not error because( I know this sounds odd but) the is meant to be a number on the left. I have this problem too but just remember that flight level 245 is > than the levels below
wow good job. Love the quality.
Your videos are exceptional and brilliant! Thank you for them!
Talks about plane flying, isn't called Flyover Productions.
Flyboi Productions.
Eurosceptics: EU has no use...
Wendover: Hold my Airbus Beluga
Airbus is France, UK, Spain and Germany only
@@baptiste3468 your point being....?
@@jorgeamadosoriaramirez8953 Not all of the EU
@@jorgeamadosoriaramirez8953 "your point being....?"
That Airbus has nothing to do with the EU, which makes OP's comment pretty stupid.
stupid comment! With or without the EU, those centers have to be settled! Asia has no EU but they're building up a much more efficient network, using AI - which is not the case here, apparently since human decisions are still preponderant - giving their centers the means and rights to monitor air flights above Asia. EU is NOT MANDATORY!
Massive respect to the people that work behind the scenes. 👏👏👏👏👍👍👍
Thank you this is very useful for my plans.
Sometimes it's not about making things special, it's about making sure that what we don't notice, stay unnoticed.
This was an amazing video, really brings a whole new appreciation for ATC.
What I really like about this channel is that if you were to do a survey and ask the average UA-cam viewer if they would be interested in detailed video's about the aviation industry, you would barely get any positive results. Yet, because Wendover explains everything so diligently and interestingly, he created interest and therefore an audience of more than 2 million people. Keep going, you're doing great work!
Oh my this complicated. Thank you for totally overwhelming me about air travel this morning. I really enjoyed it
BINGE - WATCHING Wendover. Thanks for your work. So good!
Literally any job: Exists
French people: Strike time
FUCK OFF WITH THIS SHIT. TEDIOUS MEME-SPEWING CUNTS.
Someone is triggered.
Those French lunatics, wanting proper benefits, compensation, respect, and dignity. Over here in Murca, we know workers don't need that. Like during the government shutdowns, when we told air traffic controllers (among many other public employees) to literally work for free.
lol gotta love the French. Always "en grève." It's part of their charm. But at least they have the common courtesy to announce when they will be striking well in advance (not just ATC workers, either).
@@RoyalFusilier Thank the Democrat party for that one. Held up the entire process over a miniscule fraction of the budget to make a political statement...
Loving all the aviation videos! A rarely covered topic yet so interesting and important.
Love that they’ve got a physically printed out minion meme stuck up on the office wall at 1:53
Great description, thanks.
Wendover: Is it a bird? Is it a plane?
...
IT'S A PLANE!!! MUM GET THE CAMERA!!!
Ow baby a triple seven!
A CGP Grey and Wendover video in the space of an hour... Something's amiss.
Jack Soley and they are both on a uk topic XD