Not much of a comparison - I must say. More like side to side reviews of 2 bikes. Would be nice if you could let a few testers ride both bikes on the same course and then compare their aggregated ratings of both bikes on some key qualities (stiffness, compliance, sprinting, descending, etc). That would be a fair (fairer) head to head comparison. Just sayin
I agree, worthless “review”. A true test would at least ride the bike with the same wheelsets and tires, and a least a couple riders to get a true comparisons. I think most of us want to know stability on downhills, cornering predictability, frame features, frame weight, vibration dampening, and comfort for long rides. Obviously one is going to be better in those regards.
16 years ago, when Trek introduced the first post-Lance Madones, I told our district manager they needed an H1.5 cockpit. The 2-3cm gap from H1 to H2 was just too much. So I'm glad they finally brought H1.5 to the Emonda SL range.
So you got essentially an entry level Emonda and a top of the range SL7...other than looks what are we supposed to be comparing the bikes on? That's a huge difference in the weight of the frames for the Emonda between the lower frames and upper. Most manufacturers the gap is more like the specialized where you gain 150 g give or take. 700g difference in frame weight and that doesn't include the fork seems like it is done on purpose to discourage enthusiasts from buying the lower tier bikes. Like the heavier frame is literally double the weight of their lighter frame - that's ridiculous.
The Bike industry needs to actually review bikes instead of rating everything supplied as great. There isn’t enough actual independent testing that goes on. (From an SL7 owner)
We review hundreds of products a year and yes some of them aren't very good but it is rare that a bike comes in which is completely trash. Especially in this case where we are looking at two top end bikes but I do get your point
@@roadcc Apologies if I sound negative. Just that most reviews from all companies are 4 or 5 out of 5. In addition I’d like to hear constructive criticism as this is what we look for when deciding to buy or not to buy. I understand nobody wants to fall out of favour with the bigger manufacturers but it’s the way I believe bike journalism should be. It also stops Joe public from just accepting anything a bike company offers. Id like to hear road.Cc or bike radar views on a bike not the marketing blurb that often gets commented on.
aero enhanced for the mountains vs aero enhanced for the flats? How does wind and drag know one is going up hill or going on the flat? Is the trek's geometry and stiffer parts of the frames different; one for hills and one for all around? Is that what is being said here?
Nice review. I have been considering both of these models for my next bike. I have learned two things. The Tarmac is longer and lower so will be a little more stable and easy handling at higher speeds. Also, i ran accross some bike aero data done in the uk that ranked the bikes with riders. The graph correlated closely to stack-reach ratio, meaning reducing the cyclist's frontal cross sectional area was the biggest aero benefit. The Tarmac is a little faster if you are flexible enough to be comfortable with the rider position. I'm a current Trek owner and may go Emonda because it is a tad more upright.
I ride a Willier zero slr and tried my friends Emonda slr6. Different levels of rigidlty i suppose but the Willier feels so much more responsive than that or the colnago v3rs
@@frederickstaana1269 quality definitely on par and probably superior (they build the frames in-house as opposed to outsourcing). Performance-wise the differences are likely small...
@@jbaairways2763 I do too I really enjoy it but I still want a sworks sl7 lol the idea of a carbon disc bike with bsa and an adjustable seat post is the kicker for me because I've experienced the isp cracking and I had to replace the whole frame. If I was more well off I'd buy the sl7 hands down but until then I'm satisfied with my SL0 disc because it's so close in geometry and the warranty replaces the frame with down time for shipping and swapping should the isp crack again. I guess that's what I see as the 4k difference in price is the bsa, seatpost, and I guess integration if people want to be fussy but I don't care about wires showing.
90% of the time same old trek, specialized and canyon. Give us a break, other than sponsored crap viewers can look pastvit. Make some good content for a change.
I have the TREK Emonda SLR (the previous generation w rim brakes). It is amazing; Super light weight, exciting to ride and climbs like magic. It's like driving a Ferrari, you better know how! I have the new S-Works Tarmac SL7. It is sublime to ride in every way. It's like driving a Bugatti, a magic carpet speedster. Sad though as it's on recall, very concerned and let down by the company.
chalk n cheese! when even the group set is different let alone the wheels and frame! eek sorry but a waste of time. I rode both before making my mind up, I went for SL7 S-Works Dura-Ace but swapped out the chainset to UFO Chain, Ceramic Speed OSPWS and BB The reason for my choice was simply one of comfort and riding technique, the SL7 suited me better and that at the end of the day for me was the driving factor and reason as both by the time one was finished were coming in at the 12-13k mark eek (My wife does not know!)
I considered the Trek Emonda, the Specialized Tarmac, and the Giant TCR. I bought the Emonda because it has the prettiest paint job. Just kidding! The Emonda does have the prettiest paint job, but I actually bought it because my local independent bike shop, which is a dealer for Specialized and Giant, has not received any new bikes for months and did not know when a Tarmac or TCR might be available. The local Trek store had both a 2020 and a 2021 Emonda available in my size. I brought my 1994 Trek 2200 to the store and asked them to match the handlebar and seat position. The could not do so with the 2020 Emonda, which has Trek's H2 fit. The mechanic estimated the handlebars would be 3 cm higher. The 2021 Emonda has Treks H1.5 fit and could match the position of my 2200. Even though it was heavily discounted, I was happy to find a solid reason not to buy the 2020 Emonda so that I could avoid the dreaded BB90 bottom bracket. Both the Emonda and the Tarmac now have threaded bottom brackets. The TCR has a press-fit bottom bracket, but Giant claims to have few problems with their bottom brackets due to tighter tolerances.
The weight of the Trek frame you quoted (under 700gm) is the unpainted weight. The SL7 frame weight is for a painted frame. Great job spreading mis-information.
would you kindly do a comparison of the SL7 Sworks vs the Wilier Filante SLR, I believe those are the most similar bikes in terms of aerodinamics/weight as one.
I’m enjoying the bike so far ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
An earlier comment by another reader was spot on, comparing a mid level Emonda (8.23kg) to a top level Tarmac (6.85kg) is misleading. As a frame of reference, my 2015 Emonda SLR with Ultegra components weighs 6.8kg, a huge difference from 8.23kg and I’m sure handles very differently as well.
I know these companies are paying you reviewers to post these videos but don't you think your audience deserves better? There's more to cycling than expensive bikes that 99% of your viewers will never be able to ride.
Maybe they don’t want to discuss commuting and fenders as a channel. Would you get mad about a car reviewer discussing a Ferrari you can’t afford either? 🤦🏼♂️
@@UltimateTuner10 Yeah but you are basing your argument that these cycles are Ferrari's.you are comparing lemons and peaches here. Don't be so patronizing in your comments. one in ones sound mind would know what penny's worth of engineering a cycle has.
Not much of a comparison - I must say. More like side to side reviews of 2 bikes. Would be nice if you could let a few testers ride both bikes on the same course and then compare their aggregated ratings of both bikes on some key qualities (stiffness, compliance, sprinting, descending, etc). That would be a fair (fairer) head to head comparison. Just sayin
I agree, worthless “review”. A true test would at least ride the bike with the same wheelsets and tires, and a least a couple riders to get a true comparisons.
I think most of us want to know stability on downhills, cornering predictability, frame features, frame weight, vibration dampening, and comfort for long rides. Obviously one is going to be better in those regards.
Amen!
Emonda all day long!
16 years ago, when Trek introduced the first post-Lance Madones, I told our district manager they needed an H1.5 cockpit. The 2-3cm gap from H1 to H2 was just too much. So I'm glad they finally brought H1.5 to the Emonda SL range.
Totally useless comparison.
Can't agree more, a totally waste of time.
why
The best between these two is cleary the Giant TCR.
Chinese brand no way 😅
@@gurugamer8632 Giant makes Treks Bike. Same with Specialized, are made by Taiwanese companies. “Chinese companies”. :)
no way is a cheap ass brand better than these two 😂😂😂
@@minhxluong Specialised Tarmac SL7 best.
@@richarddonovan8016 100%
Hopeless review. Never really did any head on comparison. Just words. Don’t waste time really won’t help you decide between these two bikes
Best rider makes the bike performs the best. That’s the bottom line
So you got essentially an entry level Emonda and a top of the range SL7...other than looks what are we supposed to be comparing the bikes on? That's a huge difference in the weight of the frames for the Emonda between the lower frames and upper. Most manufacturers the gap is more like the specialized where you gain 150 g give or take. 700g difference in frame weight and that doesn't include the fork seems like it is done on purpose to discourage enthusiasts from buying the lower tier bikes. Like the heavier frame is literally double the weight of their lighter frame - that's ridiculous.
Why title a comparison video "Which one is best?" if you do not offer an educated opinion about which one is best?
It just sponsored product placement
To make this a worthwhile comparison you must compare the tarmac with the trek SLR models
Slr is the biggest shiat Trek could release in this model. Utterly let down... Heaviest and uninspiring out of bunch spesh giant merida canyon etc.
Depends if you went to the washroom in the morning or not
The Bike industry needs to actually review bikes instead of rating everything supplied as great.
There isn’t enough actual independent testing that goes on.
(From an SL7 owner)
We review hundreds of products a year and yes some of them aren't very good but it is rare that a bike comes in which is completely trash. Especially in this case where we are looking at two top end bikes but I do get your point
@@roadcc Apologies if I sound negative. Just that most reviews from all companies are 4 or 5 out of 5. In addition I’d like to hear constructive criticism as this is what we look for when deciding to buy or not to buy. I understand nobody wants to fall out of favour with the bigger manufacturers but it’s the way I believe bike journalism should be. It also stops Joe public from just accepting anything a bike company offers.
Id like to hear road.Cc or bike radar views on a bike not the marketing blurb that often gets commented on.
aero enhanced for the mountains vs aero enhanced for the flats? How does wind and drag know one is going up hill or going on the flat? Is the trek's geometry and stiffer parts of the frames different; one for hills and one for all around? Is that what is being said here?
Which one to choose? Just listen to your heart. After all the aesthetics is the main quality of bike riding.
Trek Emonda SL6 Pro or Factor 02?
Nice review. I have been considering both of these models for my next bike. I have learned two things. The Tarmac is longer and lower so will be a little more stable and easy handling at higher speeds. Also, i ran accross some bike aero data done in the uk that ranked the bikes with riders. The graph correlated closely to stack-reach ratio, meaning reducing the cyclist's frontal cross sectional area was the biggest aero benefit. The Tarmac is a little faster if you are flexible enough to be comfortable with the rider position. I'm a current Trek owner and may go Emonda because it is a tad more upright.
I ride a Willier zero slr and tried my friends Emonda slr6. Different levels of rigidlty i suppose but the Willier feels so much more responsive than that or the colnago v3rs
I have the Emonda SL7 Ultegra and absolutely love the bike. Might have to splurge and get the SLR.
"There should be something, no matter whats your budget" my budget: 300 bucks 😂
But is the Giant TCR better than both?
alot cheaper.. quality may be on par..
@@frederickstaana1269 quality definitely on par and probably superior (they build the frames in-house as opposed to outsourcing). Performance-wise the differences are likely small...
I have a TCR the best decision I’ve ever made.
@@jbaairways2763 I do too I really enjoy it but I still want a sworks sl7 lol the idea of a carbon disc bike with bsa and an adjustable seat post is the kicker for me because I've experienced the isp cracking and I had to replace the whole frame. If I was more well off I'd buy the sl7 hands down but until then I'm satisfied with my SL0 disc because it's so close in geometry and the warranty replaces the frame with down time for shipping and swapping should the isp crack again. I guess that's what I see as the 4k difference in price is the bsa, seatpost, and I guess integration if people want to be fussy but I don't care about wires showing.
Whichever can take the widest tyres.....we don't all have nicely surfaced roads....
Trek Superfly - 2,25"
Thanks for the vid! Are weight claims typically just the frame by itself, meaning without seatpost and handlebars?
@@alainzhang5166 Thanks Alain!!
@@alainzhang5166 how about bearings, derailleur hangers, cable guide tubes, seatpost clamp?
90% of the time same old trek, specialized and canyon. Give us a break, other than sponsored crap viewers can look pastvit. Make some good content for a change.
I can already tell you the drawbacks to all of them...their ridiculous price tags!!!
3000 for a base model isn‘t that bad
What colour is Tarmac on this video?
Anyone can compare specs. This video leaves us none the wiser.
out of the trek and specialized. I chose Trifox, better then both combined and 1/4 the price.
It might be fine value, but don’t be delusional
Canyon ultimate cf sl is better than both ?
I hate comparison reviews where the author doesn't pick a winner. 0/10
I hate comments that aren't constructive so you score well on that front but I feel like your marking is a little harsh. 4/10 😂
I have the TREK Emonda SLR (the previous generation w rim brakes). It is amazing; Super light weight, exciting to ride and climbs like magic. It's like driving a Ferrari, you better know how! I have the new S-Works Tarmac SL7. It is sublime to ride in every way. It's like driving a Bugatti, a magic carpet speedster. Sad though as it's on recall, very concerned and let down by the company.
Strange test on totally different priced models.
chalk n cheese! when even the group set is different let alone the wheels and frame! eek sorry but a waste of time. I rode both before making my mind up, I went for SL7 S-Works Dura-Ace but swapped out the chainset to UFO Chain, Ceramic Speed OSPWS and BB The reason for my choice was simply one of comfort and riding technique, the SL7 suited me better and that at the end of the day for me was the driving factor and reason as both by the time one was finished were coming in at the 12-13k mark eek (My wife does not know!)
I considered the Trek Emonda, the Specialized Tarmac, and the Giant TCR. I bought the Emonda because it has the prettiest paint job. Just kidding! The Emonda does have the prettiest paint job, but I actually bought it because my local independent bike shop, which is a dealer for Specialized and Giant, has not received any new bikes for months and did not know when a Tarmac or TCR might be available. The local Trek store had both a 2020 and a 2021 Emonda available in my size. I brought my 1994 Trek 2200 to the store and asked them to match the handlebar and seat position. The could not do so with the 2020 Emonda, which has Trek's H2 fit. The mechanic estimated the handlebars would be 3 cm higher. The 2021 Emonda has Treks H1.5 fit and could match the position of my 2200. Even though it was heavily discounted, I was happy to find a solid reason not to buy the 2020 Emonda so that I could avoid the dreaded BB90 bottom bracket. Both the Emonda and the Tarmac now have threaded bottom brackets. The TCR has a press-fit bottom bracket, but Giant claims to have few problems with their bottom brackets due to tighter tolerances.
For that price difference, you could by trek Emonda's for half your team.
Or buy new Emonda every year :)
Varmac vs. Madone-Lite 😉😁👍👌
The weight of the Trek frame you quoted (under 700gm) is the unpainted weight. The SL7 frame weight is for a painted frame. Great job spreading mis-information.
Yeh i was about to say this, take the paint job out of the sl7 and its the same weight as the SLR, dumb idiots they are
would you kindly do a comparison of the SL7 Sworks vs the Wilier Filante SLR, I believe those are the most similar bikes in terms of aerodinamics/weight as one.
i mean dude wtf this isn't even fair. you have the mid-tier trek vs the top of the line specialized...
the emonda weighs as much as most gravel bikes, aside the $12k model
My Emonda Sl7 weighs 7.75Kgs, not sure about your claim though.
@@rajeshkannan_s yea, there are gravel bikes that weigh that or less, like the cervelo.. my 2016 emonda slr weighs a bit over 6 kgs w AL wheels
@@JogBird sounds about right for a non aero bike. Unless you’re near elite level rider, the aero advantage wins over some weight.
Bring back rim brake emonda
oh yeah so why is my Cannondale super six evo scram red/2013 liter than my new trek 2022 madone slr7
I had a Tarmac and loved it now I have the Emonda and love it 😐
What are These purple Shoes tho
SL7 is the best allrounder in the world he is fast vert very fast !!
How much of a difference does the integrated handle bar have over the standard 🤔
Main difference is just the aesthetics. I'm not a fan of them.
I’m enjoying the bike so far ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
And the winner goes to... TCR !
I found no useful information here.
This comparison is ambaracing 3k bike vs 0ver 11k? Are you out of your mind?
Did you actually weight both of them? I'd bet the emonda is the claimed weight and the spesh is way off.
We weigh every bike that comes into the office. The Trek was 8.23kg for a size 56cm and the Spesh is 6.85kg for a size 56cm
An earlier comment by another reader was spot on, comparing a mid level Emonda (8.23kg) to a top level Tarmac (6.85kg) is misleading. As a frame of reference, my 2015 Emonda SLR with Ultegra components weighs 6.8kg, a huge difference from 8.23kg and I’m sure handles very differently as well.
copying the/SLR TAG frm trek .why can't specialized use their own tag line
Trek 💯👍
Giant TCR is best
I wonder who has the most stage wins in Grand Tours?
in reality, who ever has the biggest marketing budget. Its almost natural when you have a good portion of peloton riding the same bike.
@@appala whoever has the biggest marketing budget usually has the biggest R&D budget
Compare a r 12 specialized with sl7 500 trek is not the same
I know these companies are paying you reviewers to post these videos but don't you think your audience deserves better? There's more to cycling than expensive bikes that 99% of your viewers will never be able to ride.
Yeah totally absolutely tired of this content
Maybe they don’t want to discuss commuting and fenders as a channel. Would you get mad about a car reviewer discussing a Ferrari you can’t afford either? 🤦🏼♂️
@@UltimateTuner10 Yeah but you are basing your argument that these cycles are Ferrari's.you are comparing lemons and peaches here. Don't be so patronizing in your comments. one in ones sound mind would know what penny's worth of engineering a cycle has.
@@parthmache4733 if you’re tired of the content then watch something else instead of bitching about bikes you can’t afford
@@UltimateTuner10 who told you i cannot afford these bikes. and about bitching comment section is for everyone. stop bitching about others bitching
1442 Gram = 1.4 KG
One kilo bike come on man
What is he saying bro 😂
notice they not dare compare put the specialize against trek madone.bc madone rules baby
Trek👍🏻
I see so many people ride around on aero madones while holding the bars at the brake hoods
What’s wrong with that? You know it’s actually the most aero position on the bike, right? With bent elbows ofcourse
@@laury21 I should have said " while holding the bars at the brake hoods with the arms stretched out", or "in an upright position"
Emonda gg
What a cop out video...
Screech!
Stu your saddle is to high
Could do better 3/10
Shitest comparison ever
So boring. Speak faster
😂 If you're going to throw shade then please make comments funny so we can have a laugh