WALK THROUGH OF A CUTWATER 28/Compared to our Ranger Tug 27OB "Channel Surfing"
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Great Video! I was happy to volunteer for one of your videos and give a walkthrough comparing the C-28 to the R-27. Feel free to reply this comment with any questions!
Two questions: 1- On the C-32 the aft flipping seat (sunset aft facing or forward cockpit facing) of the C-28 is replaced with the RT style electric grill box). What are both of your thoughts on that ? Yay or nay?
2- Regarding Northwest vs LE you trade off the diesel furnace and free heat for AC and heat pump. Is there an option at build or (aftermarket) to add non electric heat to the Luxury editions?
Extremely informative. It’s not easy to find such in depth comparisons between two great boat lines. RT & CW. Thank you kindly!
@@nariocom1904 I don't have an electric grill, so I can't really too much about it other than it sounds like it uses too much power for battery. The C-288 is odd to me because it has a grill directly above a propane locker, but the grill is electric? I don't understand that, why not use the propane immediately next to it? Maybe it is just what's available. I have a Magma grill that you can mount on the rail or fishing rod holder, that's propane. I'm going to try it out soon.
Great video, you can tell that Alan has done a ton of research and is very knowledgeable about the details of both boats. (Extended part of the bow is the pulpit, where Quint from Jaws liked to fish from hah) Looking forward to cruising the ICW one day with a Ranger. Enjoy the memories guys.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am finding Your videos Very Enjoyable. It is nice to have content available that is not being created by "Influencers", whom are more interested in monetization, and (what occasionally seems to be) "Gloating" about what they do, where they go, and that they CAN & we cannot! (personal opinion). YET......I believe that I , and All of Your viewers, would certainly enjoy Your content a touch more if You were to invest in ( an affordable/portable) Gimbal for Your camera!! At the very least, please engage Your phones/cameras "Image Stability" option. Please continue with Your videos, they are informative, Fun, and interesting. Thanks for the experiences.
Thanks for watching. We are working on upgrading some equipment. Stay tuned for more channel surfing 😀
Wow, I just started thinking about a Cutwater C28 now. That is alot of boat and I really like the idea of a diesel in an 8'6" beam boat. I would also like to see a discussion of Lithium batteries in this boat, and maybe a comparison with the C288. Beautiful boat and styling. That wide lower berth is a game changer for my situation with Grown children and a couple of grandchildren. Looks like six could sleep comfortably.
They discontinued the C28 with the diesel when the C288 came out which has twin Yamaha 250's. I don't think LFP was ever an option on the C28. But the C288 definitely can be ordered wtih LFP. The wait list for a C288 though has been quite long for quite some time.
One of the first 2021 Cutwater 28 NW Edition owner reviews I have seen. Interesting! Would like to see a review of a 2021 LE Edition. Upgrades like adding a diesel heater, or propane heat and stove/oven option to the LE Edition would be interesting. This would reduce the need to run the genset so much.
Thanks for watching!! I'm waiting for a volunteer of someone who has an LE to do a walk-through, especially of the LiFEpo4 battery setup.
nice video guys👍👍
Thanks for watching!
I have noticed that my inboard 2015 ranger tug is like a mix of both of these boats but great vid
Thanks for watching!!
Everything is a compromise. Nice boat. That lower berth area is big and I'm now a big fan of diesels.
I forgot to mention the fuel cost difference. Gas is typically around $3.60 / gallon while diesel is $2.40 or so, but Martin saves his receipts for sending them to the state to refund the road taxes and gets about $0.30 back per gallon. Diesel is still a bit more economical, of course the Yamaha 300 is faster top end speed.
Beautiful vessel !
~Storing propane and gasoline in the same space is not a safe idea.~
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No argument there. :)
Well, now I am really confused. I found a couple of 2023 Ranger 43's that I like for one reason they do have a washer/dryer. But I really like some features on this Cutwater as well.
The Ranger 43 is a whole another level of boat, they look awesome but they cost about 4x more than my boat =).
Beautiful boat.
One thing not mentioned between Outboard and inboard: Draft.
May be important for some who enjoy beaching or shallow water use.
Also, is inboard prop protected by keel and rudder extension in case of grounding?
Thank you, and thanks for watching!!
There is definitely a more defined keel underneath on the inboards, which protects the prop and rudder. The outboards, we just kick them up out of the water. If they were to strike an object they'll naturally kick up as only gravity and thrust keeps them down.
The bigger issue to me on beaching the boat (on purpose) is being able to get on/off the boat from the bow.
Draft is very similar between the boats (within a few inches).
My goodness. How does anyone ever come to a decision?!? I'm only barely into the process and I've got Jeanneau, Ranger, Cutwater, Greenline, etc... all floating through my head all day long. So much harder than an automobile. Even a camper / trailer.
We struggled with that ourselves. We looked at Searay, C-Dory, Jeanneau, Ranger Tug, Cutwater, Nordic Tug, American Tug, Osprey, to name a few. The boat show made it easy to walk on each brand, look around. Compare.
There is no perfect boat. Boats are all about compromise. Fishing boats vs cruising, vs runabouts... cabin cruisers vs say, a center console... Best to think how you're going to use the boat, as that will determine what type of boat to get. Then think about trailering vs. moorage, routine maintenance, insurance costs, annual registration costs. Hope this helps. :)
@@Letsgochannelsurfing I saw an American and a Ranger at Orcas Island this weekend and was immediately enamored with them both, but American and Nordic Tugs seem to be very different vessels to me (a confessed neophyte who has caught the boat bug very late in life after it mostly skipped a generation) than Cutwater / Ranger and Jeanneau. Am I wrong?
@@navajasrs2402 They are very different boats, for sure. Which is why it's important to try and figure out how one's going to use the boat to help decide on which boat is right.
For us, The RT27-OB serves our purpose. We can fish with it. We can cruise with it. If it's raining, we stay dry in the cabin. If it's cold out, we turn on the diesel heater. We are destination boaters. With a cruising speed of 25 knots, we can get around fairly quickly.
I think that C-28 has all the bells and whistles buetiful
whats the gross weight .
Can it be a trailer ed boat.
Good informative conversation guys.
Good video
Thank you
Thanks for watching! The C28 is a trailerable boat.
@@Letsgochannelsurfing At 10', you need 'wide load' signage, a pilot car, and wideload signage, IS ALL.
The C28 is a 8.5’ beam the new C288 is a 10’ beam
Give me inboard Volvo any day verses outboard gas. You can get diesel cook stove too. Then nothing it has for dingy.
I’ve ran two Volvo inboards & just so reliable as the out drive.
The stove is actually powered by propane, which I carry the two tanks on the back. I also have a propane grill.
Who's holding the camara, I'm getting seasick just from watching this vid. Please get a gimbal. Great lookin boat btw.
Thank you for the comment. This is an older video and my gear has been upgraded
I'm not very knowledgeable on boats, but one thing that has drawn me to this type of boat is its trailerability. Not just that you can launch it on any body of water with a ramp, but that you can store it away from the salt water, you can do your maintenance whenever, if you're not using the boat, you don't have to maintain it much, when it's not stored in salty water. But it seems both you and Alan have dock spaces for your boats, you even have video of having the boat taken to dry-dock to do repairs. Is launching the boat a lot harder than people make it to be? Or are cars/trailers that can haul this hard to get? Are there legislative problems?
Thanks for watching!
Our last boat was a 22' run-about. We trailered it for 14 years. Moorage and trailering have their pro's and cons. With moorage, if we want to head over to Kingston for lunch for example, we grab the boat keys and head to the dock, get in the boat and drive away. If we stored our boat on the trailer we'd never take her out for lunch anywhere. Launch and retrieval of the boat adds time to the day. Not all boat ramps are created equal. Most have some sort of tide restriction on when you can launch and retrieve. I can come and go to my slip anytime, regardless of the tide. Boat ramps often have limited parking available also. Parking is always available with moorage.
Alan and I both have covered slips, which keeps the sun's UV rays and the rain off the boat. This helps enormously on keeping the boat clean. When I trailered my last boat I kept it stored on the trailer in my front yard. The sun faded the port side decals and the bushes turned the starboard side green every year and required pressure washing every spring. The rain hit the boat during the entire offseason until I eventually moved it offsite at a storage facility under a cover.
It's also important to note the size of a boat. These boats are 32' overall, and weigh about 8,000 lbs. With trailer and gear, we're towing 10,000lbs. Not as easy to load/unload as our last boat which was 24' overall and weighed 4,000 lbs.
If you haven't already, check out this video where I go into trailering vs moorage in more detail. ua-cam.com/video/OIsAnQ3_kFA/v-deo.html
@@Letsgochannelsurfing First of all, THANK YOU for such an amazing and detailed reply. I've perused your channel, but missed that video, I'll have a gander right away, but you've already given me so much information. The extra complications of trailering, the weight adding up... Thanks for your reply and I'm off to watch the trailer/mooring (I knew there was a correct word for it!) video :) .
@@Dowent Easier to use the boat and head out whenever we feel like it when it is ready to go at the slip. I have no where to store the boat on land, space here near Seattle is a premium. Trailer for this boat also costs about $13,000 and I also do not have a truck that could tow it.
that engine hatch, can it be opened and lowered manually? just thinking what if a power outtage how would you open it.
This would be a question for Alan, who owns the C28. I don't think there's an easy way to open it manually.
I actually wonder about the hatch myself. Hopefully I never have to figure out the hard way!
I wonder if your insurance would give you the same break with the Cutwater and let you go off-shore as much as you can either Ranger? You mentioned ‘sea-worthiness’ as their reason. Are they about the same in terms of sea-worthiness? We are considering a purchase and are contrasting between the compromises. ‘Getting back home’ is out number one priority.
I would not expect seaworthiness to be different between the Ranger Tugs and the Cutwater boats. They are both intercostal cruisers. I would also expect that insurance terms be similar between the two. Our insurance on our RT-27OB has an addendum to our policy that expands our cruising range to "Stay with 75 miles of shore".
@@Letsgochannelsurfing, thanks a bunch!!
@@Letsgochannelsurfing how about the Bahamas? Looks like a good draft for there
@@robertalexander3067 I know nothing about cruising in the Bahamas. The boat draws about 3 foot with the motor down. Just under 2 foot with the motor up.
It would be helpful to have a comparison of speed and fuel burn for both boats.
I'd have to talk Alan into collecting that information. I have all the stat's on the RT27-OB with an outboard. The burn rate on the C28 is slightly less than that on the RT27-OB.
Allan, how do you gain access to the impeller?
I'm assuming you mean the raw water pump impeller for the cooling system. It's below the filters that you can see at 38:27. It's a bit cramped.
How much storage available on the roof between the two models?
I would think them to be very similar, if not, identical, in roof rack storage space.
curious on the range and fuel efficiency on this boat?
@Dan While cruising I get a little better than 2 miles per gallon at most speeds between 10 kts and 25 knots. Best economy would be much slower 3-7 kts, maybe around 5 kts I'd get around 9-10 mpg. I should probably make a chart one day with some testing to graph the performance. It has a 100 gallon diesel tank.
@@alanmccormick6911 whoa really? that's way better than I would have expected.
so basically you can get a 200+ mile range out of this boat on a single tank
@@Dan-by2vj Yes basically. 200 miles would be pushing it for cruising speed because you'd typically not run a boat down to empty and want to have some fuel in reserve. If you don't mind going slow near hull speed (5 kts - 7 kts) then you could easily do more than 200 miles.
@@Dan-by2vj I have a picture on my phone from a week ago. I was doing 30 mph (26 knots) with 2.16 mpg at 13.9 gal/hr. This was with 6 people total aboard (including 2 kids). This was in good conditions and I believe WOT @ 3500 RPM. Good cruising speeds are around 2800-3250 RPM depending on personal preference. Off the top of my head that would be closer to 18-22 knots. In my experience the fuel economy doesn't change that much while on plane, it's more preference on conditions and how high of RPM you want to run your engine.
Doesn't this boat come with a 350 outboard if you want ?
The C28 is only offered in an inboard/diesel configuration. Although... there is a rumor going around that a new design is in the works for the C28 that'll put an outboard on the back. It's just a rumor though as Cutwater boats has made no public announcement that I'm aware of.
Cutwater has renders of the C-288 now on their website which has two outboards. I hoping to see a real one in person someday, maybe at the boats a float show in September. I'm happy with my diesel inboard, but I wish I had the 10 foot beam because I don't plan on trailering.
Nice comparison, guys. Same manufacturer with slightly different markets. Check out this guy who came up with a brilliant idea for the dinghy conundrum for a Ranger with an outboard: ua-cam.com/video/FpAW12crwOQ/v-deo.html
I've met Phil who designed that. Pretty ingenious. :)
I didn't see a head in the quarter birth. Is there not one on this boat?
The Cutwater C28 has a single head. None in the quarter berth.
The head is down by the v-berth, in front of and below the helm.
Bow thruster and, and Stern thruster. That's kind of like those new cars that park their selves it excuses you the responsibility of learning how to drive the damn thing. Do yourself a favor don't rely on those to dock yourself in every situation learn how to drive that boat first, first. I'm not saying you don't know already but just saying. I can walk my single screw sideways right into any spot it just takes 40 years of practice. Damn nice vessel I love it, I love those ranger tubs also
I like to call them "cheating". Thanks for the comment.
Come on, man, you know you enjoy a good old stern thrusting every now and then.
Gas With Benzin perfekt!!! To Take a fly to the moon!!!!
Seems like a lot of the differences come down to the 8.5' vers 10' beam. This boat might be better compared to the Ranger 29...
The C-28, previewed in this video is comparable to the RT27-OB. Both are about the same in length (27 vs 28 foot), both have the 8.5 foot beam. It basically becomes an inboard vs outboard debate., as well as styling (some like the Cutwater lines vs the Tug look).
Fluid Motion makes Cutwater and Ranger Tug.
The C-28 has since been discontinued as of last year by Cutwater Boats. It was replaced with the C-288. The C-288 is 28' long, and 10' wide. I absolutely agree the C-288 more closely resembles the RT29, while the C-28 more closely resembles the RT27-OB.
Comparing the C-288 to the RT29, both are similar in length (28' vs 29'). And it becomes an inboard vs outboard (twins) debate, which translates into speed and ride/comfort, as well as styling differences.
I agree. Closer comparison by price, as well. That 8.5' beam is a big selling point for those wanting to trailer to inland spots so they don't have to follow special "wide load" road requirements.
The R 29. Has bigger 3rd seats in cockpit. And it does have a 2 nd head!
@@scenesaheadvideo2214 Both of our boats are 8.5' beam and were similarly priced. You're probably thinking of the C-288 which costs about $100k more and has a 10' beam with 2 Yamaha outboards. I wish I had the 10' beam, since I don't trailer the boat, but the price tag on the new C-288 makes me glad I picked up the C-28 in the last year it was made.
does alan have a youtube channel to follow?
I don't believe so. I'll try and talk him into starting one though. :)
I don't have a channel that I post videos, I think I wouldn't have time for all the video editing! Work and life keeps me busy, I'm happy when I can at least get out on the water.
If there is so much room in guest birth. Why is there not a 2nd head
I must add your information is very very well displayed. Thank you but Kim leaning for the Ranger! But price matters! Can you share the difference?
The RT31 has 2 heads. Personally, If I were to upgrade to an RT31, one of the first projects I'd do is to get rid of the 2nd head if I couldn't talk the factory out of not installing it. There is a lot of boat in a small package, and I just don't think there's really room for a second head on them.
The second head installed in the quarter berth on an RT31 puts folks sleeping with heads under the toilet. Or it means you get the head, and nobody is ever going to want to sleep there with a toilet.
Costwise, a C28 and the RT27-OB were priced about the same. The Ranger Tug has more detailed finishing touches than the C28 does. But there's a large delta in the cost of the power train. The Volvo diesel in the C28 is about $60k while the Yamaha outboard on the Ranger Tug 27 is about $30k. I theorize, to keep costs similar, the C28 lost some of those finishing touches. It's still a great boat though.
One of the things I liked best about this video was I purchased an RT27-OB because I wanted an outboard for propulsion. I wanted the speed and the ease of maintenance that it provides. Alan looked at RT27's, but he wanted a diesel inboard which was why he went with the C28. Boats are about compromise, and Alan and I were polar opposites on this.
Thanks for the comparison! But the camera shake! The camera shake! AWFUL! I got seasick just watching this video!
Thanks for watching. We've since upgraded our camera, mic's, and added a gimble.
The diesel is extremely reliable and if maintained will outlast the yamaha by 4 times the yamaha,s life or more.. also resale value is better with diesel. At 1000 hours the 4 strokes are usually over worked pushing all the weight and need repower, the diesel will last 4 to 8k hours of maintained. I'd rather have the diesel in a colder climate. We Used to have a 28 Cape dory single diesel, miss that boat
I just rolled 540 hours on our Yamaha F300 and the boat's not even 3 years old yet. I hope I get more than 1,000 hours.
@@Letsgochannelsurfing Just wait around 1000k hours you will notice a drop in power planning and a decrease in fuel economy. And if it lasts to 1500 hours you will need a rebuild, yamaha 4 strokes early in were bullet proof. They don't make anything the way they used to. Its all made to fail out of warranty so you have a choice to spend thousands on a rebuild or a buy a new one.
@@tintdr I'll have 1000 hours before my 6 year warranty expires. I certainly hope I don't run into troubles then.
I believe diesels are probably more reliable, but that most all modern engines are reliable if well taken care of.
This is likely a misconception comparing old normally aspirated cast iron diesels to gas with carbs. My sailboats have have old yanmars that were underpowered and heavy but very reliable. There is a strong lean toward ease of maintenance of modern outboards. I modern yamaha 200-300 is likely 10% less fuel efficient than a modern turbo diesel. The service life between rebuilds of 2500 hours gas vs 5000 on a diesel, but the fuel is more than 10% less and the maintenance is so much easier on an outboard. Only real issue is storing extra gas fuel cans.
The resale on trailerable diesels is already taking a hit, esp the d3s that are no longer produced. The hot water is nice, but at 25-30' you are camping and a black bag solar shower is a reasonable option. Many of the diesel 1 ton truck crowd has moved to gas in the last few years also. In 2000 I would have absolutely gone with a 7.3l diesel in my ford, now if would be a gasser with similar towing capability and a lower TCO.
Ha you said hot water heater. Didn’t know you had to heat hot water?
Well even 50 F water is 283 Kelvin, I suppose it is a hot water heater, I just prefer hotter water.