I thought it was great! Carpenter is helping with keeping the organ alive and puts his own spin on it. Shame on anyone to try to suppress an others artistic abilities through public ridicule!
Andrew Stewart it’s not “public ridicule.” Like Virgil Fox and Diane Bish, he’s all about showmanship and nothing for integrity. Extremely too fast. It goes against the composer’s wishes to the tee.
This piece is so exciting when it is played at warp speed. Yes, Widor is spinning in his grave but I really don't care about that. What matters is that it sounds so good this fast.
This man understood neither the piece nor the instrument. Widor himself denied being called an "organ virtuos" - he understood himself being an "honest organist". What is Carpenter?
Oh no! Cc is a great performer, but speed is not all. This is not music, this is a race. And the organ.... OK, everywhere the same instrument for advanced performance.... But this sound.... Should be good with synthetic acoustic in the living room. But an organ is no grand piano. One of the major things for an organ is that instrument and room build an individual unit. The room is a part of the Sound. And widors symphonic organ music is not made for a small dry living room acoustic but rather for great rooms like st sulpice, note dame, st ouen etc.
Any organist can play fast. Including me but the hardest thing is to make music out of the notes given. This isnt music. It sounds like a blure of whole notes instead of 16th notes. Playing fast isnt artistry. Playing with feeling and making music is artistry
All the negative comments are from people who couldn't touch his mastery. I've heard performances of this work that put me to sleep.....not THIS one! Diane Bish's performance is also right up there........
I think David Di Fiore’s Widor is my favorite version. It is probably the most virtuosic and musical versions there is. You can even watch Feike Asma miss 3 dozen notes at 1/2 the speed, and it is a far superior performance to Bish. Now, let’s talk about this clown. We can all scrutinize Bish, but she was a technical machine. Even played as a disgusting technical exercise of speed, she was able to pull it off legit. This was incomprehensible garbage, sold with a Mohawk. If ya’ll like what Peter Gelb has done with the Metropolitan Opera (destroy it), you are probably on board with this guy
This is a murder of Widor. Most organists play it too fast, but this is far too choppy as well. Carpenter is a B level organist who lacks the one thing a great musician needs, artistry. Technically he is great, but his arrangements are a loud choppy mess. He could learn a thing or two from Fox, Curley, and especially Diane Bish.
At first I enjoyed listening to Cameron but as the weeks go by, I think he is a performer, not an artist or musician. This video is a mess, if you want to see the piece played with technical excellence, search out Rob Stefanussen and watch his playing on his Hauptwerk 4 manual home organ; sadly he has not been posting for the last year or so and his facebook page is sparce but it does allude to him working at his full time job.
Every organist has their days, you can’t characterize a virtuoso like carpenter because of one sloppy performance. If anybody knows musicians they can often be mentally and emotionally pushed to their limits on a daily basis, especially in his line of work. He is a technical genius when it comes to keyboard, and captures multiple expressive voices with his advanced technique. Do I like his performance? Not particularly; I agree that it goes a bit too fast, but does it still have artistic value? Yes. He plays the piece like no one ever has or most likely will. Don’t find reasons to crap all over this young mans work. He probably more of a performer than most up and coming organists ever will be. Notice how I said: “most”. 😉
Horrible! The piece has lovely detail, which will be brought out only with paced, articulate playing and thoughtful attention to dynamics and registration. Rocket speed playing with limited dynamic variation is only a noisy blur of sound. Technique without musicianship is a travesty.
@@historischeaufnahmen2177 what? You’re saying he is envious of Cameron carpenter ? After he gave many reasons why he doesn’t like it? Also what is there to be envious about, this is abad performance of the piece.
Widor's time was 118 BPM. Widor played it slower than that on his recording. 100 BPM seems to be the norm. This rendition reminds me of that woman, who played this tune too fast and ruined it (another Ethel Smith?). I am a player, judge and critic of the Northumberland small-pipes, I believe that there are certain standards to be achieved before one is a true, traditional player of this instrument. I think Widor's recording is ever-so slightly slower than he wanted to play at. Of course 'peacocks' want to show their plumage which disguises what is truly behind the facade. There's more than music (or not) to the renditions of Carpenter; he reminds me of: Laberace.
This is just horrible. I have never mastered this piece but sure know that it should not be played like this. I listen to Cameron Carpenter and he does play really well and I think he is a musician, BUT he should know better not to play this fast. While Diane Bish played this piece fast she kept the piece at 5 to 6 minutes not 4 or 3 minutes. But also I think the organists such as Virgil Fox, Carlo Curey, Diane Bish learned how to play the toccata fast from Marcel Dupre there is a recording of Marcel Dupre playing the toccata fast. I think Cameron Carpenter studied Jean Guillou technique of breaking tradition.
I can only assimilate this to a gardener nurturing his plants in the spring & summer, then as they put up their flower heads cutting them off as they are about to bloom
Widor actually complained about organist doing this same exact thing: rushing through his music like it's some race. His pieces are expressive.
I thought it was great! Carpenter is helping with keeping the organ alive and puts his own spin on it. Shame on anyone to try to suppress an others artistic abilities through public ridicule!
Andrew Stewart it’s not “public ridicule.” Like Virgil Fox and Diane Bish, he’s all about showmanship and nothing for integrity. Extremely too fast. It goes against the composer’s wishes to the tee.
This piece is so exciting when it is played at warp speed. Yes, Widor is spinning in his grave but I really don't care about that. What matters is that it sounds so good this fast.
Best version of this is OLIVIER LATRY (Organist Titulaire de la Cathedrals de Notre Dame de Paris); especially his flourish at the end!
This man understood neither the piece nor the instrument. Widor himself denied being called an "organ virtuos" - he understood himself being an "honest organist". What is Carpenter?
Oh no! Cc is a great performer, but speed is not all. This is not music, this is a race. And the organ.... OK, everywhere the same instrument for advanced performance.... But this sound.... Should be good with synthetic acoustic in the living room. But an organ is no grand piano. One of the major things for an organ is that instrument and room build an individual unit. The room is a part of the Sound. And widors symphonic organ music is not made for a small dry living room acoustic but rather for great rooms like st sulpice, note dame, st ouen etc.
Thank you so much for the Widor, Cameron!! It is my favorite organ piece and I knew you would ROCK it!!
Sounds like a fairground tune at this point.
technically amazing- but did I enjoy it? not a bit sadly
Cameron Carpenter plays everything double quickly to show how virtuoso he is. This is Exhibitionism and not art.
And there was I thinking Cameron Carpenter only murdered Bach, but here he is destroying Widor as well.
Any organist can play fast. Including me but the hardest thing is to make music out of the notes given. This isnt music. It sounds like a blure of whole notes instead of 16th notes. Playing fast isnt artistry. Playing with feeling and making music is artistry
"Any organist can play fast" haha, good one
@@historischeaufnahmen2177 There are many faster than CC... Get over it.
Well said FastTurbo
All the negative comments are from people who couldn't touch his mastery. I've heard performances of this work that put me to sleep.....not THIS one! Diane Bish's performance is also right up there........
Sandy yes. But we know an abomination when we hear it. And if we had such technical mastery we would never choose to mutilate a piece like that!
Gotcha!
@@sandybanjo Jack wins this one.
I can touch his mastery and far exceed it. But this is still awful only on account of the tempo alone.
Carpenter is no more a "master" than John Moschitta Jr. is an orator. Can you imagine the latter reciting Shakespear?
Sorry.... I find this is a bit criminal! Too fast and why the staccato pedal work?
I think David Di Fiore’s Widor is my favorite version. It is probably the most virtuosic and musical versions there is.
You can even watch Feike Asma miss 3 dozen notes at 1/2 the speed, and it is a far superior performance to Bish.
Now, let’s talk about this clown. We can all scrutinize Bish, but she was a technical machine. Even played as a disgusting technical exercise of speed, she was able to pull it off legit.
This was incomprehensible garbage, sold with a Mohawk. If ya’ll like what Peter Gelb has done with the Metropolitan Opera (destroy it), you are probably on board with this guy
Hey look at me - I can play fast.
pitch it down----
This is a murder of Widor. Most organists play it too fast, but this is far too choppy as well. Carpenter is a B level organist who lacks the one thing a great musician needs, artistry. Technically he is great, but his arrangements are a loud choppy mess. He could learn a thing or two from Fox, Curley, and especially Diane Bish.
Jared Croal he learned the tempo from Bish by the sounds of it. But yes agree he is not an artist which is reflected in his digital organ preference
This is a really bad recording, made on someone's phone, though I do tend to agree it is too fast.
At first I enjoyed listening to Cameron but as the weeks go by, I think he is a performer, not an artist or musician. This video is a mess, if you want to see the piece played with technical excellence, search out Rob Stefanussen and watch his playing on his Hauptwerk 4 manual home organ; sadly he has not been posting for the last year or so and his facebook page is sparce but it does allude to him working at his full time job.
I don't see how one can't be both a "performer" and an "artist" or "musician"; especially because performing is an art in and of itself.
Every organist has their days, you can’t characterize a virtuoso like carpenter because of one sloppy performance. If anybody knows musicians they can often be mentally and emotionally pushed to their limits on a daily basis, especially in his line of work. He is a technical genius when it comes to keyboard, and captures multiple expressive voices with his advanced technique. Do I like his performance? Not particularly; I agree that it goes a bit too fast, but does it still have artistic value? Yes. He plays the piece like no one ever has or most likely will. Don’t find reasons to crap all over this young mans work. He probably more of a performer than most up and coming organists ever will be. Notice how I said: “most”. 😉
At times exciting, but generally offensive
It's safe to say that if Niccolò Paganini were an organ player alive today, he would most likely be Cameron Carpenter.
@@padraicfanning7055 well then i wouldn’t like paganini!
Lol, comical, Widor turns in his grave.
I really like Cameron Carpenter's music, but this sounds AWFUL. It's WAY too fast!!
UN-MUSIC-AL 👿
Horrible! The piece has lovely detail, which will be brought out only with paced, articulate playing and thoughtful attention to dynamics and registration. Rocket speed playing with limited dynamic variation is only a noisy blur of sound. Technique without musicianship is a travesty.
eeewwwww1 HE LIVES UP TO HIS BUTCHERY!
Pure envy
@@historischeaufnahmen2177 what? You’re saying he is envious of Cameron carpenter ? After he gave many reasons why he doesn’t like it? Also what is there to be envious about, this is abad performance of the piece.
Jesus what happened to his famed pedal technique??
Widor's time was 118 BPM. Widor played it slower than that on his recording. 100 BPM seems to be the norm. This rendition reminds me of that woman, who played this tune too fast and ruined it (another Ethel Smith?). I am a player, judge and critic of the Northumberland small-pipes, I believe that there are certain standards to be achieved before one is a true, traditional player of this instrument. I think Widor's recording is ever-so slightly slower than he wanted to play at. Of course 'peacocks' want to show their plumage which disguises what is truly behind the facade. There's more than music (or not) to the renditions of Carpenter; he reminds me of: Laberace.
Recorded legally?
This is just horrible. I have never mastered this piece but sure know that it should not be played like this. I listen to Cameron Carpenter and he does play really well and I think he is a musician, BUT he should know better not to play this fast. While Diane Bish played this piece fast she kept the piece at 5 to 6 minutes not 4 or 3 minutes. But also I think the organists such as Virgil Fox, Carlo Curey, Diane Bish learned how to play the toccata fast from Marcel Dupre there is a recording of Marcel Dupre playing the toccata fast. I think Cameron Carpenter studied Jean Guillou technique of breaking tradition.
I can only assimilate this to a gardener nurturing his plants in the spring & summer, then as they put up their flower heads cutting them off as they are about to bloom
If he is an organist i’ m the Pope
diane bish he will NEVER be. This is HORRIBLE
IM12WATCH he could never play as fast as her!