“Loving Shaykh Rabee Al Madkhali Is A Condition For Ones Sunnah” - Refuted By Abdurrahman Hassan

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  • A person could be following the salaf in all the foundations, but the moment you disagree with them on their position on a particular Shaykh, they’ll take you out of Salafiyya as if they own it. To justify this they’ll use the statements of the salaf out of context which applied on people who would ally with mu’tazila, jahmiyya, murjia, kullabiyya, khawarij and other groups, they’ll use them against you saying you “praised an innovator.”
    SPUBS and these other groups are the exactly the same, the only thing that split them was the fitna of Muhammad Ibn Hadi, same hizbi behavior with different branches.
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  • @ibmsulaymani
    @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +43

    A person could be following the salaf in all the foundations, but the moment you disagree with them on their position on a particular Shaykh, they’ll take you out of Salafiyya as if they own it. To justify this they’ll use the statements of the salaf out of context which applied on people who would ally with mu’tazila, jahmiyya, murjia, kullabiyya, khawarij and other groups, they’ll use them against you saying you *”praised an innovator.”*
    SPUBS and these other groups are the exactly the same, the only thing that split them was the fitna of Muhammad Ibn Hadi, same hizbi behavior with different branches.
    Original podcast - ua-cam.com/video/4710zhjfhio/v-deo.html

    • @adeebsaadat3678
      @adeebsaadat3678 3 роки тому +2

      They say stuff against Abu Hanifa who is from the Salaf but they doubt your salafiyah and draw the line at speaking against shaykh raver😂😂😂😂

    • @adeebsaadat3678
      @adeebsaadat3678 3 роки тому +1

      Rabee*

    • @asifahmad4748
      @asifahmad4748 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/Mbo11uugr-Y/v-deo.html
      Waseeullah on shaykh rabee and those who hate him.

    • @ihsanmahmood8789
      @ihsanmahmood8789 2 роки тому +1

      Good to see you're not a madkhali

    • @ponderingspirit1475
      @ponderingspirit1475 2 роки тому

      Might I ask what was the issue regarding Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Hadi Al Madkhali?

  • @ImansHomeschool
    @ImansHomeschool 3 роки тому +63

    May Allaah bless Ustadh Abdulrahman Hassan for speaking with evidences in a fair and balanced manner ... many of the Salafees today could benefit by taking from his manners alone.

    • @ibmsulaymani
      @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +22

      I saw Ustadh Abdurrahman Hassan praise your channel recently, may Allah bless you abundantly auntie. Us youngsters really need the type of benefits you have for the young children.

    • @ImansHomeschool
      @ImansHomeschool 3 роки тому +16

      @@ibmsulaymani Alhamdulillaah! We have been hugely inspired by Ustadh's lessons and motivatioal talks over the years. His words of encouragement benefited us greatly and I often reflect on that to keep myself motivated when designing our resources.
      May Allaah تعالى accept our small efforts and make them beneficial to all.

    • @GMTI178
      @GMTI178 3 роки тому +1

      @@maktabahassunnah Who are you talking about

    • @youtrip1037
      @youtrip1037 3 роки тому

      Allahuma barikk imans homeschool

    • @nancysaqr2578
      @nancysaqr2578 3 роки тому +3

      @@ImansHomeschool allauhma barik, you are like a little celebrity ☺️I've seen your comments everywhere masha'Allah and I love all the work you do!!

  • @d095slv
    @d095slv 3 роки тому +6

    May Allah give Ustadh Abdulrahman Hassan the highest place of Jannah 🤲🏻❤

  • @عبدالله-ن6ه2ص
    @عبدالله-ن6ه2ص 3 роки тому +21

    The problem is my brother. Entering politics in religion.. For example, whoever opposes the political ambitions of the Muslim Brotherhood is told that he is a Jami or a Madkhali.
    Cursing well-known scholars such as Sheikh Al-Jami and Al-Madkhali, who were praised by Sunni scholars, is a sin
    Scholars can be criticized based on their religious views. The problem is that insults are due to their following the approach of the righteous predecessors by not disobeying the ruler, and this is the real problem.
    Therefore, whoever refuses to rebel against the Muslim rulers is bullying and banishing him as if he had committed a great sin.
    Because rebellion against the rulers has dangerous security consequences for the Islamic peoples, and this we still see in Yemen, Libya, etc.
    Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen has important opinions regarding the conditions of rebellion against the rulers. When I heard it, I found great wisdom.. He even refused to revolt against the non-Muslim ruler if it was harmful to Muslims.. This we saw in Syria.. It was against the harm to Muslims, so they were killed, their honor was violated, their homes were demolished, etc. ..
    Wisdom is to follow the sayings of Muslim scholars, not political parties that are only interested in reaching power.
    Sheikh Othman Al-Khamis has beautiful words about Sheikh Al-Jami and others, and he talked about Muslim rulers and how we deal with them.
    The term Jamia and Madkhaliya is a word that was first coined by the Muslim Brotherhood
    The word Wahhabism was coined by the Ottoman Empire
    If you know the reason for the name and who launched it, it will be easy to understand the name and its goals.
    good luck brother

    • @Aa-wk7ft
      @Aa-wk7ft 2 роки тому

      Perfectly explaned. No more words needed. Djazakallaahou gairan wa Ahsana Allaahu ilayk.

    • @gogreen_0
      @gogreen_0 Рік тому

      "Good luck" what does this mean?

    • @Abu-Kurdi
      @Abu-Kurdi Рік тому

      I've seen nobody more contradicting than murjiah when it comes to the sects that claim to be muslim. One day they claim a ruler is a disbeliever and justify asking the enemies of Islam in the west for help to attack a muslim country. The other day they claim that's haram and anybody that does it is a khariji. Then they claim a leader is a disbeliever and tell people to join the resistance to back a secular leader. Then they claim they shouldn't put their nose into politics.

    • @Abu-Kurdi
      @Abu-Kurdi Рік тому

      Rabee madkhali gave a fatwa for the people to join haftar's forces. How's rabi madkhali proved khurooj against Gaddafi turned out? Is libya a safe country now? These scholars for dollars only give fatwa in their leader's interest

    • @bonk2065
      @bonk2065 Рік тому

      Well said akhi in these times of fitan these people who say they don’t follow sheikh rabee Al madkhali, it’s not that they don’t follow him, they slander him call him a boot locker along with his followers and they takfir the muslim rulers

  • @ayaanchauhan9251
    @ayaanchauhan9251 8 місяців тому +7

    Obviously loving sheikh rabii is not a condition for someone to be sunnah but how is it possible that a person of sunnah hates sheikh rabii (another person of sunnah)

    • @AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj
      @AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj 6 місяців тому +1

      Abu Khadeejah never said it was a condition the title is very misleading. But some of the Salaf said that whoever opposes so and so from the imaams is an innovator and whoever loves his is a sunni. This channel promotes hizbis and his manhaj is very bad

    • @abdellahmoukrim5677
      @abdellahmoukrim5677 2 місяці тому +2

      @@AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yjlol we know why the people of innnovation hate him. The same way the thiefs hate the police

    • @mpyes13
      @mpyes13 29 днів тому

      ​@@AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj If The Mas'ala Is From Ijtihaad and If I Opposes That Scholar In That Ijtihaadi Mas'ala, Is I Am Innovator ????

  • @bosnian_og
    @bosnian_og 3 роки тому +30

    We test him with Rabbee’ lol what!!??? This guy is crazy!! May Allah guide him

    • @adriansak7678
      @adriansak7678 2 роки тому +8

      yepp they equate sh rabiee to imam ahmad ibn hanbal they are surely insane individuals

    • @bosnian_og
      @bosnian_og 2 роки тому +2

      @@adriansak7678 crazy. May Allah guide them. Rabiee is still alive, I am surprise they praise the sheikh so much while he has not yet died. Usually when someone dies they are praised right?

    • @al_hilali213
      @al_hilali213 2 роки тому +10

      @@bosnian_og The Shaykh have been literally praised times and time again by mountains like Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen, Shaykh Ibn Baz, Shaykh Muqbil and Shaykh Al Albanee may Allāh have mercy upon them all.. you guys should do a little bit of research before speaking...

    • @bosnian_og
      @bosnian_og 2 роки тому

      @@al_hilali213 BarakAllaah feek

    • @al_hilali213
      @al_hilali213 2 роки тому +1

      @@bosnian_og Wa feek barak Allāh akhi.

  • @MrMuta31
    @MrMuta31 2 роки тому +4

    They suffer from this badly in Newark NJ community.

  • @morehman6071
    @morehman6071 3 роки тому +11

    Well, you gotta give some credit to a Mirpuri lad who can't speak Arabic not read Qur'an fluently, how he managed to fool and split the Salafies around the world!! He must have some interpersonal skills and charisma

    • @tawhid-thebaseofislam8216
      @tawhid-thebaseofislam8216 Рік тому

      Who are you talking about and where is he from

    • @Ibrahim.l20
      @Ibrahim.l20 Рік тому

      ​@@tawhid-thebaseofislam8216 Abu Khadeeja Abdul Wahid

    • @AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj
      @AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj 6 місяців тому +2

      Abu Khadeejah is splitting them between Salafis and innovators. How can you be a Salafi and sit with takfiris and promote innovators. Also the Salaf also said whoever loves so and so is a follower of the Sunnah and whoever opposes this imaam(who is known to refute innovators and have sound aqeedah) is an innovator. And this is general the brother has typed a very misleading title. Same like whoever opposes shaykh Al Islam MIAW is an innovator

  • @humza9460
    @humza9460 3 роки тому +16

    I saw this statement being mocked on twitter and I thought it was just satire but wow Abu Khadeejah actually said that 😂😂

    • @mahfuzh5726
      @mahfuzh5726 Рік тому

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣the audacity bro

    • @Ibn267
      @Ibn267 Рік тому

      @@mahfuzh5726bro the statements is true. Some of the salaf tested others with some scholars

    • @DhikrDose
      @DhikrDose 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Ibn267do you know how many shaykhs they've raised to the sky and just dropped them like they are nothing?

    • @Ibn267
      @Ibn267 10 місяців тому

      @@DhikrDose true but the salaf did test others with scholars

    • @DhikrDose
      @DhikrDose 10 місяців тому

      @@Ibn267 sure they did.. but do we know the context and the circumstances?

  • @kayybbball7266
    @kayybbball7266 3 роки тому +5

    In all honesty ikhwaan, the ulema from the past and present have all praised sheikh rabee, from them are sheikh fawzan, sheikh Albani, sheikh uthaymeen, sheikh bin baz, sheikh muqbil and many more. I think what the ustadth is talking about the fanaticism with an individual.

    • @ibmsulaymani
      @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +12

      Of course Shaykh Rabee is a noble scholar, this video refutes those who have fanaticism towards him like Abu Khadeeja.

    • @kayybbball7266
      @kayybbball7266 3 роки тому +1

      @@ibmsulaymani akhi lets be just, and leave the fanaticism talks to the ulema my brother. I’ve sat under and learnt from Abu khadeeja and it’s clear he isn’t. Allah knows best, may Allah keep us upon the haqq and may Allah raise you in your knowledge akhi.

    • @ibmsulaymani
      @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +7

      @@kayybbball7266 Akhi barikallahu feek, they are very fanatic towards Shaykh Rabee. Recently Shaykh Rabee spoke against Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Hadi, spubs were so extreme towards his position that anybody who didn’t agree with Shaykh Rabee’s position on Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Hadi was banned from coming inside their masjid. There’s video evidence of this - ua-cam.com/video/31rGXGAuCS8/v-deo.html

    • @kayybbball7266
      @kayybbball7266 3 роки тому +3

      @@ibmsulaymani may Allah bless you akhi for the information. I’m a nobody when it comes to this deen, I’ll leave these issues to the scholars. My advice to you akhi is to keep pushing out the content of ulema and shuyookh as your doing an amazing job. May Allah bless you akhi, I’ve been subscribed for a while now.

    • @ibmsulaymani
      @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +6

      @@kayybbball7266 Barikallahu feek for the support, I’m by myself on this channel. I’m trying to push out beneficial content, it’s just every now and then the extremists need to get exposed. Banning people from your masjid for not agreeing with your position on a contemporary Shaykh is unacceptable.

  • @osamamanan2723
    @osamamanan2723 3 роки тому +5

    This Mirpuri Fitna Abu Khadeeja and his cult also accused major scholars like Zubair Ali Zai after accusing him of attacking Sheikh Rabee3. Be careful of them.

  • @hermano6793
    @hermano6793 3 роки тому +10

    Big boi Abu Khadeejah getting a taste of his own medicine

    • @hermano6793
      @hermano6793 3 роки тому +6

      @@brahimz0r And that's the exact issue at hand, in case you didn't notice. و عليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته

    • @WU-HU-XI-LIAN-DA_STRIKE
      @WU-HU-XI-LIAN-DA_STRIKE Рік тому

      The salaf said the same exact thing as Abu Khadeejah, brother Abdur Rahman Hassan حفظه الله was wrong in this regard

    • @faraazsiddiqui1450
      @faraazsiddiqui1450 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@WU-HU-XI-LIAN-DA_STRIKEYour Abu Khadeejah is refuted by Shaikh Saleh Al Suhaymi and Shaikh Wasiullah Abbas.Abu Khadeejah is not a scholar btw.He is needed to go IMU to study with scholars.

    • @TheFiveQuestionss
      @TheFiveQuestionss 7 місяців тому

      @@WU-HU-XI-LIAN-DA_STRIKEthe Salaf said if you don’t follow rabee?💀

    • @AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj
      @AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj Місяць тому

      How can he be refuted by those scholars if they havent provided a single evidance. Rather shaykh Ubayd and Falaah refuted them and said their opinions are rejected since they spoke with 0 evidance. Basically according you sitting and promoting individuals like Yasir Qahdi and Omar Suleyman is part of the Sunnah and there is nothing wrong with it? Is that what you are saying. Remember that Abu Khadeejah refuted a student of shaykh Suheymi who is part of Yaqeen Institute that promotes free-mixing and these misguided individuals. And their warnings are 'aam, meaning they are general with no details. Thats why young brothers like you should study instead of speaking without knowledge. Regarding shaykh Wassiullah he was also horribly wrong since he spoke with 0 evidance and i highly advice you to check spubs defence regarding this. Even the best student of shaykh Wassiullah called Shaykh Zubair Ali repented and took the stance of Abu Khadeejah after the situation was explained to him. This is what happends when kids are ignorant and claim to be balanced. Openly debating and sitting, laughing, making jokes with the Khawarij and graveworshippers is part of the Sunnah? Abu Khadeejah refuted brother ARH regarding these matters and never repented and rather attacked spubs inqtead of humbling himself. Who is going to explain the madhab of the Salaf is some make major mistakes in Usool and deceiving the layman af it is halaal to violate these fundemental principles of the Salaf. Look at ARH companion(possibly ex), Abu Taymiyyah and Dawah Man. 2 individuals who even the Salafis who dont take from spubs warn against...

  • @hajaramuhammad1969
    @hajaramuhammad1969 3 роки тому +1

    What happened to sahabas path youtube channel

  • @aburuqayya3298
    @aburuqayya3298 3 роки тому +5

    True, many of madkhalism attached themselves only with Shaykh Rabi' and Shyakh Aman Jami oppose anyone else who see different with em

    • @ED-wn5jw
      @ED-wn5jw 3 роки тому +3

      Shaykh Wasiullah Abbas on "Madkhali's" and shaykh Rabee Al-Madkhali
      ua-cam.com/video/Mbo11uugr-Y/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AnwarAl-Maghribi
      They say: “They Are Jaamis and They Are Madkhalis.” | Shaykh Sālih al-Fawzān
      ua-cam.com/video/GgH8ewpbyzM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NasirAlHanbali
      Calling people 'Madkhalis' and 'Jaamis' Al 'Allâmah Ubayd al Jâbirî
      ua-cam.com/video/UGf-MVPcGWU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AbuJibrael
      Those That Label The Salafis As Jaamiyyah or Madkhalis Are Waging A War Against The Salafi Manhaj
      ua-cam.com/video/gtIjkXWC_44/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NasirAlHanbali

    • @aburuqayya3298
      @aburuqayya3298 3 роки тому +1

      @@ED-wn5jw i didn't say Shaykh but his followers like Abu Khadeeja and some gangster in Libya they fight Muslim along side secularist Haftar and Russian, have you research on the shaykh fatwa ?

    • @ED-wn5jw
      @ED-wn5jw 3 роки тому +2

      @@aburuqayya3298 No sorry I dont know of the fatwa youre speaking about. I am just commenting on the word "madkhali." From what I heard is that the people of knowledge speak against using this term.

    • @aburuqayya3298
      @aburuqayya3298 3 роки тому +1

      @@ED-wn5jw just free yourself from Madkhalism Taassuf ...Allahu Musta'an

    • @AbdAllah-lp7wn
      @AbdAllah-lp7wn 2 роки тому +5

      No such thing as madkhali, are you Ikhwani?

  • @wasifhoque5315
    @wasifhoque5315 3 роки тому

    Jazak Allahu Khayran

  • @ibnfethibridji7050
    @ibnfethibridji7050 3 роки тому

    Ma sha Allah Allahumma barik.

  • @themanwithnoname3145
    @themanwithnoname3145 Рік тому

    Yo why are there ads on this

  • @AhmadAli-hz8yg
    @AhmadAli-hz8yg 2 роки тому +1

    The scholars are known

  • @MAli99923
    @MAli99923 2 роки тому +3

    Does this mean Spubs are innovators?

    • @Human23931
      @Human23931 2 роки тому +5

      No doubt

    • @yeshuasage3724
      @yeshuasage3724 2 роки тому +4

      Absolutely

    • @al_hilali213
      @al_hilali213 Рік тому +1

      Absolutely not, the scholars recommended them al hamdulillah.

    • @faraazsiddiqui1450
      @faraazsiddiqui1450 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@al_hilali213Shaikh Wasiullah Abbas refuted them you can see video of Shaykh.😂😂😂

    • @al_hilali213
      @al_hilali213 7 місяців тому

      @@faraazsiddiqui1450 Not really, he tried to refute but failed since his arguments were not valid, on the contrary SPUBS were rights and shaykh Wasiullah was wrong about Zakir Naik and Ihyaa At Touraath. So back to you, you can listen to their audios if you want the truth...

  • @dhuss14
    @dhuss14 3 роки тому

    Why are there adverts on your channel?

    • @ibmsulaymani
      @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +4

      Because UA-cam is forcing them, the new update has allowed UA-cam to force advertisements with people who don’t have monetizing. ua-cam.com/video/kh4vC2nwM0Q/v-deo.html

    • @Abuthree
      @Abuthree 3 роки тому +2

      We can learn some mannerism in how we ask question Subhanallah 🤦🏾‍♂️. The question could have been asked in a more respectful manner. Asking as if he owe you an explanation. Like you’re his parent or teacher.
      May Allah grant us all good mannerism just like our Nabiyy (peace be upon him)
      Bro Ibrahim May Allah reward your efforts and keep you and everyone of us upon sunnah upon steadfastness.

  • @Minhaj_alsalaf
    @Minhaj_alsalaf 6 місяців тому

    Assalam aleykum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatuh
    Hhh what is this im sorry for you but the Masheikh, the ULLAAMAH praises abu Khadija 🤭🤭 and salafi publications, deal with this.
    if you expose abu kadeejah for this, i think you have to refuteed too mohammed ibn Hadi the qadihf , Na3m?
    Or perhaps Abu Khaadejah's statement is more serious for you than the fact that someone insults the entire ummah, the Muslims and declares them innovators without evidence, and uses terms like: drunk, fornicator, people who frequent bars, and a long etc., in one of Allah's houses (? if so, dear you have a problem. let him see it‼️

    • @AnaAthari
      @AnaAthari 2 місяці тому

      Ya akhi do you agree with abu khadeejah statement

    • @Minhaj_alsalaf
      @Minhaj_alsalaf 2 місяці тому

      @@AnaAthari yes akhi. he’s Salafi, but the discurse is not from him,, all of this are on the kitab of Allah, and the kitab of Salaf, al Hamdulillah. And i agree with this and the Mayor schoolars and the evidences. May Allah guide us. Ameen.

    • @AnaAthari
      @AnaAthari 2 місяці тому

      @@Minhaj_alsalafAmin
      He is but will you make tabdee' on someone because he doesn't respect madkhali, it is definitely a bad sign but it is a sin that doesnt take you out of salafiyyah.
      And if he doesnt like Rabee then you should test in terms of his aqeedah to see if he is really salafi. But you cant label him directly.
      And also akhi do you support the fact they kick a muslim out of a masjid

    • @AnaAthari
      @AnaAthari 2 місяці тому

      @@Minhaj_alsalaf akhi will you not answer

    • @Minhaj_alsalaf
      @Minhaj_alsalaf 2 місяці тому

      Assalam aleykum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakatuh, la. I don't make free tabdi, this is not allowed. There are rules.
      We are not perfect, but you have to differentiate things and know the basics of Islam. Otherwise you will go with the fitnah.
      But let me tell you something.
      Dividing communities, blindly following people, calling all brothers and scholars and students who do not support you in your deviation : "innovators/saafiqah" and tarnishing the honor of Muslims by committing one of the 7 deadly sins by accusing Zina - this is what takes you out of Salafiyyah. why do you distort things? Have you researched the why of this whole thing or are you just taking what the brothers say on the internet ? The true Salafi examines every situation truthfully. the sinner is not Abu Khadeejah for saying the haqq, with proof. he is MBH. even after Allah judged him with His judgement, made him a liar and his testimony was rejected .... Let us talk about this, and not Abu Khadeejah, who speaks with proofs and refutations of the Great Scholars, and not with his opinion. Fear Allah akhi, turn to the Qur'an and leave the individuals. BarakAllahu fik.
      May Allah guide us.

  • @salamsweet2100
    @salamsweet2100 3 роки тому

    This all happened years ago focusing on Salafi dawa may be beneficial for everyone because everyone does mistakes barakallah fiqum

    • @ibmsulaymani
      @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +7

      @@muhammadal-judhami7506 Thanks for exposing your ignorance, still bringing up an issue which Ustadh Abdurrahman Hassan apologized for 5 years ago, no one’s falling for it. Now you’re making up some nonsense that his repentance wasn’t sincere with no evidence.
      *Ustadh Abdurrahman Hassan has studied under the Salafi scholars in Saudi, Egypt, India and Somalia. From them are Saleh Al Fawzaan, Abdul Kareem Al Khudayr, Sa’ad Ibn Naasir Ash Shitri, Muhammad Ali Itiyoobi, Abdul Muhsin Al Abbad and many other scholars. He also has a PHD from King Saud University.*
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      Now tell me, what formal qualifications do Abu Iyaadh or Abu Khadeeja have? NONE

    • @ibmsulaymani
      @ibmsulaymani  3 роки тому +6

      @@muhammadal-judhami7506 I’m not here to convince anybody, the head of this cult Abu Khadeeja got slammed by Shaykh Wasiullah Abbas and Shaykh Saleh Al Suhaymee for causing division amongst the ummah. You guys are banning muslims from coming inside the masjid for disagreeing with you on a position of particular Shaykh, complete ghuluw.
      ua-cam.com/video/8IVZ4LZ0sAA/v-deo.html
      As for your claim that Ustadh Abdurrahman Hassan wasn’t sincere in his apology and he only did it because he was “cornered”, you can stand with that claim on the day of judgement and see how far you get.