Ohtani is the reason our entire family started watching baseball. I’m even convinced it saved my marriage & for that he should be in the HOF without question
I stopped watching the NFL after Brady retired and stopped watching the NBA because of their BLM protests. Shohei brought me back to MLB. It's like a breathe of fresh air. Watching him play gave me the same feeling of watching M.J (The Only GOAT) played when he was in his prime.
That's awesome and very interesting. But out of curiosity, why do you think watching this phenomenon of an athlete playing for the Dodgers saved your marriage if you don't mind my asking?😊
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq Funny enough, this has EXACTLY been my journey. And a lot of my friends have stopped watching NBA and get into MLB since the new changes in 2022.
Shohei Ohtani absolutely is a HoFer at this point. He’s a one of one, as it keeps being said. And not any novelty version, he’s one of the very best hitters and a top 10 starting pitcher. And as 2024 showed, he might be the best pitcher in the world if he focused only on that. Taking a year off pitching he elevated his hitting (and base running) kinda shows what doing both does to each half of his play.
You cant talk about baseball history the last 10 seasons without mentioning ohtani. His HOF even though hes had a short stint hes been undeniable as most talented player we've seen in the sport.
That's it. I'm changing my name to Shohei, adding a Shohei tatoo, adopting a new dog named Decoy, working on a sweeper and going to find a gF who is also obsessed with Shohei.
His records this season speak for themselves: - Set the franchise record for most home runs in a single season with 54 home runs - Achieved a 9.2 Offensive bWAR, the highest in Dodgers' history, surpassing Mike Piazza’s 9.0 mark in 1997 - Holds the franchise record for most RBIs in a single game with 10 RBIs (in the game he went 6-for-6 with 3 home runs, 5 XBH and 2 stolen bases) - Most XBH by a LA Dodger (99) - Achieved an RBI in 10 consecutive games, surpassing Roy Campanella's record of 9 RBIs in 1955 - 411 total bases, setting a LA Dodgers record, surpassing Adrián Beltré’s 376 total bases in 2004 - Hit the most home runs in a single season at Dodgers' home games with 28 home runs - Achieved a 190 OPS+, the highest in a qualified season in Dodgers history, surpassing Mike Piazza’s 185 OPS+ in 1997 - Set a Dodgers record with 134 runs scored, leading the majors in this category - Posted a .646 slugging percentage, leading the NL and setting a new Dodgers record, surpassing Gary Sheffield’s .643 mark in 2000 - Led the Dodgers in all offensive categories in a single season And I only listed his Dodgers records, not MLB.
it;'s time to dump that, as Ruth never really did both in this manner. And then, Ruth had seasons pitching that were crazy, or hitting that few have matched. Ohtani is different, and the unicorn (as they say)
All the benchmarks are BASED ON SPECIALIZED PLAYERS. Not a 2-way FULLTIME player!! People talk as it should be normal for a guy to fill the stats criteria made for players who only do one. Ohtani dominates in stats that are made not for him. Make that sink in.
Something ive always thought of as an interesting HoF bar is how effectively can you tell the story of their playing years without them. and the answer for Shohei is... you just cant.
^ the Dodgers bandwagon fans who know NOTHING about baseball... players have to have 10 years in MLB to even be eligible, its why Munson isn't in the HoF
@hustlecrowe9440 relax buddy. I've been a dodger fan my entire life.. so has my dad and my grandfather. But sure wtvr you say. Also watch the video part of the segment is if they changes the rules would he get in... and yes if he didn't play another inning in his life due to injuries he would still get in.
Thank you for your hustle! I've needed a safe haven from politics and nonstop baseball podcasts in the Jomboy Mediasphere have been so goddamn helpful. Appreciate all the work you all do.
Maybe the hall of fame should make an adjustment: if you get over a certain number of PAs (maybe 300), and make a certain number of pitching appearances (15 GS/30 APP perhaps), then it counts of two seasons towards the 10
Koufax made the hall of fame with fewer than 10 years of service time because he was arguably the best pitcher ever. Shohei would get in for the same reason
I think what Shohei Ohtani was aiming for next are the WSC MVP, NL Cy Young award, and NLCS MVP. He couldn't get the ALCS MVP and AL Cy Young award cause Mike Trout was never healthy when they're both on the field. Angels have wasted 6 years of Shohei's MLB career with none post-season playoffs and WS appearances.
@@hustlecrowe9440 kinda ironic you're accusing someone else of ignorance. There have been numerous changes as well as exceptions made to the eligibility rules, including the election of Addie Joss, who only played 9 seasons before he died.
The next accomplishment for Shohei Ohtani is the Cy Young, which I think he will get within 2 years as long as he stays healthy. He's on a Championship team now, not like when he was with the horrible Angels team.
On Judge, I know you guys love the regular season, but no. No one is getting into that upper crust of Yankees without a ring. And it’s not like he never even plays in the postseason or he’s crushing it and his team stinks. Teams are pitching around guys in front of him to face him in the postseason because he’s an easy out. At some point, performance in the playoffs have to matter. 15:25
Upper crust or crest? I’m about to eat pizza so either way works for me. Crust I think earth and layers, top layers rich in nutrients. Crest would be social and that inner ring is elite. Imma go eat now🫡
@ It’s not even Yankee mentality per se. I just think baseball now is so much into the idea that all that matters is regular season stats. I mean, can he at least play WELL in the postseason?
@@DieHardEddieEdwards But there has to be an even playing field for awards at the end of the year, and what if the best player was on a losing team? Should they not be considered just because they couldn't play a playoff game? It's totally a Yankee mentality to know the entire season is a failure unless you win the championship. There's no other fanbase that collectively thinks that way.
If the Hall of Fame exists to pay homage to those who have had the biggest impact and most notable accomplishments in the sport then it's a complete no-brainer that Ohtani has already more than qualified.
For me its the fact that mlb network can say "hey shohei, you just became the only 50 50 guy, won a championship, and locked up your third unanimous mvp. Next year, you should win the cy young!" And actually mean it 😂😂😂
As a Ranger fan I had a front row seat to Shohei for 6 yrs. I felt for him and Mike trout having to play for the pathetic Angles, but absolutely after this year no doubter hall of famer!!
@@OGking831 yes, I agree about Sal completely. I got shouted down for saying that not too long ago, but look at what he's done, and consider how hard it is for a catcher to last that long. I don't think he's a slam dunk first ballot 90% guy, but he'll get in.
They mentioned that if it was a league mvp. Sho vs judge... They would pick judge. But considering sho won a Championship against judge. I'd definitely pick Shohei for MVP
It's crazy to think that if Shohei stopped right now, despite everything he's done, there really is a strong chance that he'd never get into the Hall of Fame.
Yes. Ohtani is a Hall of Famer right this moment. The best player in the history of the game; not only 3 MVPs, but 2 as a 2-way player and 1 as the only DH to ever win it, all 3 unanimous, when no other player has won even 2 MVPs unanimously before. Oh, and only one other player has won an MVP in both leagues. Yeah, Shohei is a HOFer.
If he wins one cy young in the rest of his career you can lock it up already or id say 1 more mvp or world series. But already 3x mvp and 1x world series champ its looking great
If the Hall of Fame wasn't stupid, then there would be no question. However, since the Hall of Fame is stupid, they don't really give a shit about being the most important player. Being an okay player for 20 years is celebrated more than being the best player for 5. It is why it doesn't really matter.
@@spman2099 Harold Baines is the best example of how goofy the Hall is. No disrespect to him, he had a great career, he was solid and consistent. But he's not a hall of famer. He was never elite, never even close to an MVP, never lead the league in a major category, didn't achieve any big milestone. He got in on longevity alone, and longevity is important, but there needs to be something else. Especially as a primary DH, you gotta be really, really freaking good to get in as a DH.
@@markzuckergecko621 absolutely sir but getting Baines in the Hall before Mattingly, Keith Hernandez, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy is just wrong in my opinion. Harold Baines was a terrific player but is more suited for the Hall of very good instead of the Hall of Fame
30:31 It would be a massive mistake to let Skenes leave without offering him a bag. He has the chance to be the best pitcher in baseball for the next decade. Lock him, and Jones, up now and build around them. There's very few pitchers in the history of the sport where you can say you can build a team around him, HE'S ONE OF THEM! I wouldn't be surprised if the Pirates don't do anything though. The amount of star pitchers that have been developed there that gone up and left is completely insane.
The only thing easy in baseball is getting strikeouts. Aaron got 4 more HRs but 49 less SB. Remember, this is a rehab year for Ohtani. And if you value hype, you pay Juan $765 for 41 hr and 7 sb. Judge and Ohtani's performance thus far is HoF "considered " not guaranteed.
This is a good point. I haven’t seen his stats from Japan, but his MLB numbers would have been even higher if he came over earlier. Unfortunately stats integration won’t happen though. Ichiro would also have the most hits ever in MLB if his Japan stats counted, which I think should count since his hitting style works in the same in both leagues.
Stealing bases are easier but why are there only 2 players stole over 50 bases? Hitting is obviously much harder now than ever. Batting averages are down this past season.
Analytics changed the hitting approach for most players, it's all about exit velocity now as opposed to hitting for contact and spraying the ball across the field, if more players got back to that, the average would go up
Ohtani is locked with 3 MVPs and two way. Judge is getting close but he just needs a few more service years to lock him and no doubt he will do that while winning another MVP or two for sure.
YES. 100%. And if any writer doesn't vote him in would be an idiot. 3x MVP, only player to hit and pitch in the modern era. 50-50 club. Just the 3x MVP should get him in unanimously.
If Ohtani somehow could not play enough to reach the 10 year milestone at this point it would need to be something tragic. In that case I would imagine some exception would be made. However Thurman Munson tragically died in a plane crash having only played 10 real seasons was already a multi time champ, ROY winning and MVP with over 45 bWar as a catcher and the HOF has still not let him in despite for most fans it being obvious that he is and would have been a HOFer had he not died at 32
Even the idiots that keep no-brain HoFers like Barry Bonds out for stupid-ass reasons (he had HoF career before he even started juicing) would vote Shohei in, without hesitation, if he somehow ended up playing a total of three partial games over the next three years just to hit minimum eligibility. What's truly scary for everyone that isn't the Dodgers is the fact that this dude's likely going to come back fully healthy next year.
Come on. Shohei isn't just a serviceable two-way player. He's one of the BEST hitters AND one of the BEST pitchers in the league. He's literally TWO hall of fame players in one.
Is Ohtani the fastest person to be a sure fire MVP? Was anyone so early in their career? Id say maybe Fernando ROY, CY Young, WS right off the bat? If you wanna get technical maybe Jackie the first day he stepped on a field.
yeah his impact on the game alone is a consideration...., plus his productivity solidifies it. pitching on a good team like the dodgers, i dont see how he does not win over 10 games every year and i do not see how he doesnt hit over 30 homeruns every year for at least another 4 years if not 5 more years. this is coming from a guy that was betting against him this year...........
ok, what would have mattered to me is if he was caught stealing, let's say, 20x. or even 10x? He raised the opportunity for Dodgers scoring over and over. Well, the one place I disagree is with the Ruth comparisons - yes, Ruth didn't do it in same seasons, but Ruth's pitching in at least one of the years was unreal. And, many of his offensive seasons speak for themselves. I see Ohtani as the true unicorn
15:21 I’m a Yankee fan who hates most Yankee fans. You can’t have an intelligent factual conversation with half of them because they just regurgitate the rings argument when evaluating best player. Judge is clearly demonstrably better than here
Rose saying Jeter is a below average defensive shortstop is accurate but he’s not a below average short stop. It’s a two way position & being a hall of fame hitter is vastly more important than being impeccable on defense. Look at Volpe, he’s great defensively but one of the worst hitters in the league. Therefore he is a below average shortstop
@@noodler5583if he had one gold glove I would agree with you more but five gold gloves isn’t a fluke. Ain’t no way, no matter how you put it or look at it can you call a five time gold glove winner a below average defender.
@@alecbourg2475he didn’t get any less popular over the years, in fact he became more and more beloved. I’m not big on defensive metrics, I think they probably have a pretty big margin of error, but there is no way of bending the math to say that Jeter was good on defense
@@noodler5583 I’m not saying he was the best defender of all time by any means he clearly wasn’t but calling him a below average defender with 5 gold gloves seems like a stretch.
@@alecbourg2475idk what to tell you, that’s just how gold gloves worked back then, it wasn’t based on any measure that even attempted to be objective. The defensive metrics are out there if you really don’t believe me
If he retired today no he doesn't have the 10 years played required to be eligible for the HOF and an exception has only been made once for Addie Joss who died during spring training in 1911 which would have been his 10th year
dont know tons about HOF,but seems they have a committee with 10yr list of chances , and another special one to grab people who somehow got missed by first committee IMO that 2nd one should take him early while hes still playing, since they have diff rules or w/e, couple other sports did the early entrance with no waiting period for people who single-handedly changed the games they play otani's main comparison is ruth,who effectively in todays game is using an illegal bat if you put them both one on one, gave ruth a metal bat,and shohei wooden bat, im not sure its an easy simple vote on who wins, esp since otani's whole career has been hitting against 3000 spinrate BS , and ruth might have seen 1/2 that or less,we dont really know
Posada, Bernie, Mo, O’Neill, Arod, etc. are all better Yankees 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Judge is more talented then most of them (Arod is the best hitting SS ever so I wouldn’t put Judge over him yet) but he can’t be at those guys level without bringing a championship to the team. It’s not like he’s Don Mattingly and his teams are absolutely atrocious. They make the playoffs most of his years and he’s objectively bad when it matters most 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I'm sorry but Blake Snell isn't an ace. He obv has ace stuff and has had two spectacular cy years but the innings just aren't there to be deemed an ace. There's a reason teams are being so hesitant to offer him a long term deal.
They need to change the names of these awards or add a 2nd award. Skenes over the Jackson’s is ridiculous. Have a best statistical award and a “of the year” or “most valuable”.
Yes, though, 100 percent, let Paul Skenes be Paul Skenes! If he acts like he is someone he isn’t, wouldn’t that just be way more awkward? His talent speaks for itself anyways.
He’s a HoFer to me and probably most modern fans. Unfortunately, the voters are garbage and would not put him on because he wouldn’t have counting stats and 10 years isn’t enough.
Ohtani is the reason our entire family started watching baseball. I’m even convinced it saved my marriage & for that he should be in the HOF without question
@@eddiethom4911 been watching baseball for over 40 years, but Shohei got me to be a fan of the sport like I was when I was 10-13 years old 🤩
I stopped watching the NFL after Brady retired and stopped watching the NBA because of their BLM protests. Shohei brought me back to MLB. It's like a breathe of fresh air. Watching him play gave me the same feeling of watching M.J (The Only GOAT) played when he was in his prime.
That's awesome and very interesting. But out of curiosity, why do you think watching this phenomenon of an athlete playing for the Dodgers saved your marriage if you don't mind my asking?😊
@@JohnSmith-nj4zq Funny enough, this has EXACTLY been my journey. And a lot of my friends have stopped watching NBA and get into MLB since the new changes in 2022.
That's too far my guy. But same here that I just watched clips of Ohtani before but learned to appreciate other baseball players and their styles
Shohei Ohtani absolutely is a HoFer at this point. He’s a one of one, as it keeps being said. And not any novelty version, he’s one of the very best hitters and a top 10 starting pitcher. And as 2024 showed, he might be the best pitcher in the world if he focused only on that. Taking a year off pitching he elevated his hitting (and base running) kinda shows what doing both does to each half of his play.
What has he done?
@@JorgeFeliz-v4l 3MVP 1 as DH. Create a 50/50 club. Won the world series and being a two way player in modern times
Ohtani pretty much cemented his HoF case (without the minimum number of years needed) after the second MVP in my opinion
You cant talk about baseball history the last 10 seasons without mentioning ohtani. His HOF even though hes had a short stint hes been undeniable as most talented player we've seen in the sport.
you can't talk about baseball history without mentioning Ohtani period.
That’s true about bonds as well but look where we are at.
Shohei is a HoF already without question, i was the only person who picked sale to win the award preseason since I’m a salty mets fan lmao
That's it. I'm changing my name to Shohei, adding a Shohei tatoo, adopting a new dog named Decoy, working on a sweeper and going to find a gF who is also obsessed with Shohei.
Shohei and his wife, what a handsome couple. Hope they’re happy for many years to come, and perhaps, many MVPs ❤
Also on his HS achievement timeline list is to have a baby so hopefully his wife doesn’t wear him out during the season.😂
His records this season speak for themselves:
- Set the franchise record for most home runs in a single season with 54 home runs
- Achieved a 9.2 Offensive bWAR, the highest in Dodgers' history, surpassing Mike Piazza’s 9.0 mark in 1997
- Holds the franchise record for most RBIs in a single game with 10 RBIs (in the game he went 6-for-6 with 3 home runs, 5 XBH and 2 stolen bases)
- Most XBH by a LA Dodger (99)
- Achieved an RBI in 10 consecutive games, surpassing Roy Campanella's record of 9 RBIs in 1955
- 411 total bases, setting a LA Dodgers record, surpassing Adrián Beltré’s 376 total bases in 2004
- Hit the most home runs in a single season at Dodgers' home games with 28 home runs
- Achieved a 190 OPS+, the highest in a qualified season in Dodgers history, surpassing Mike Piazza’s 185 OPS+ in 1997
- Set a Dodgers record with 134 runs scored, leading the majors in this category
- Posted a .646 slugging percentage, leading the NL and setting a new Dodgers record, surpassing Gary Sheffield’s .643 mark in 2000
- Led the Dodgers in all offensive categories in a single season
And I only listed his Dodgers records, not MLB.
Undoubtedly Shohei is in the Hall. We are lucky to say we get to see our generations Babe Ruth
it;'s time to dump that, as Ruth never really did both in this manner. And then, Ruth had seasons pitching that were crazy, or hitting that few have matched.
Ohtani is different, and the unicorn (as they say)
@@strange-universefacts!😊
Ohtani is way better than Ruth. That's a fact.
All the benchmarks are BASED ON SPECIALIZED PLAYERS. Not a 2-way FULLTIME player!!
People talk as it should be normal for a guy to fill the stats criteria made for players who only do one.
Ohtani dominates in stats that are made not for him. Make that sink in.
Something ive always thought of as an interesting HoF bar is how effectively can you tell the story of their playing years without them. and the answer for Shohei is... you just cant.
First. LFG! And yes, Shohei is already a HOFer. There’s no question about that.
100% no doubt
^ the Dodgers bandwagon fans who know NOTHING about baseball... players have to have 10 years in MLB to even be eligible, its why Munson isn't in the HoF
^ 🤓
@@hustlecrowe9440 Look guys, we got the Hall of Fame police lol
@hustlecrowe9440 relax buddy. I've been a dodger fan my entire life.. so has my dad and my grandfather. But sure wtvr you say. Also watch the video part of the segment is if they changes the rules would he get in... and yes if he didn't play another inning in his life due to injuries he would still get in.
Trev and Chris are so LA for having time to do a podcast together but keep planning to go out to do dinner for years
Both Ohtani and Judge will be automatic Hall Of Famers when they reach 10 year service time. No doubt about it.
he has been breaking 100 year records and making new ones! He definitely is a HOF'er!
3 unanimous MVPs, a championship, and a multitude of MLB records. He is 100% a HoFer already, everything is just extra credit at this point.
Judge and Ohtani are both first ballot 🗳️
20:00 that's so fucking awesome. Super happy for the guy. Hella awesome
Yes , I think he is already a HOFer for what he has achieved.
Shohei is already in for sure
Thank you for your hustle! I've needed a safe haven from politics and nonstop baseball podcasts in the Jomboy Mediasphere have been so goddamn helpful. Appreciate all the work you all do.
Maybe the hall of fame should make an adjustment: if you get over a certain number of PAs (maybe 300), and make a certain number of pitching appearances (15 GS/30 APP perhaps), then it counts of two seasons towards the 10
He will definitely, if wins a Cy Young, we are talking about definitely the best ever!
Koufax made the hall of fame with fewer than 10 years of service time because he was arguably the best pitcher ever. Shohei would get in for the same reason
Just look at the 2024 HOF inductees. Beltre, Helton, and Mauer. IMO Ohtani has already surpassed all three of them.
I think what Shohei Ohtani was aiming for next are the WSC MVP, NL Cy Young award, and NLCS MVP. He couldn't get the ALCS MVP and AL Cy Young award cause Mike Trout was never healthy when they're both on the field. Angels have wasted 6 years of Shohei's MLB career with none post-season playoffs and WS appearances.
Keep it up boys❤
I’m getting my Shohei Ohtani tattoo today 🔥
get it on your face
Get a decoy tattoo
Single line. Bold. Dot work to shade the outside🫡
😬😬😬
I think that if he retired this year, the HoF would make an exception for needing to play for at least 10 years
^ the bandwagon fans who know NOTHING about baseball... players have to have 10 years in MLB to even be eligible, its why Munson isn't in the HoF
@@hustlecrowe9440 kinda ironic you're accusing someone else of ignorance.
There have been numerous changes as well as exceptions made to the eligibility rules, including the election of Addie Joss, who only played 9 seasons before he died.
The next accomplishment for Shohei Ohtani is the Cy Young, which I think he will get within 2 years as long as he stays healthy. He's on a Championship team now, not like when he was with the horrible Angels team.
The show is just begun, we got more 9 years to come. He gonna make a new records every year. Good luck Shohie.😅
On Judge, I know you guys love the regular season, but no. No one is getting into that upper crust of Yankees without a ring. And it’s not like he never even plays in the postseason or he’s crushing it and his team stinks. Teams are pitching around guys in front of him to face him in the postseason because he’s an easy out. At some point, performance in the playoffs have to matter. 15:25
Upper crust or crest? I’m about to eat pizza so either way works for me. Crust I think earth and layers, top layers rich in nutrients. Crest would be social and that inner ring is elite. Imma go eat now🫡
True Yankee mentality. Means absolutely nothing until there's a ring to show for it.
@ It’s not even Yankee mentality per se. I just think baseball now is so much into the idea that all that matters is regular season stats. I mean, can he at least play WELL in the postseason?
@@DieHardEddieEdwards But there has to be an even playing field for awards at the end of the year, and what if the best player was on a losing team? Should they not be considered just because they couldn't play a playoff game? It's totally a Yankee mentality to know the entire season is a failure unless you win the championship. There's no other fanbase that collectively thinks that way.
"Boys Night Out with Rosey & Coach Trev" sounds like some absolutely grade A future content for JM
If the Hall of Fame exists to pay homage to those who have had the biggest impact and most notable accomplishments in the sport then it's a complete no-brainer that Ohtani has already more than qualified.
Yes. 3 MVP seasons unanimous.
World Series champs
For me its the fact that mlb network can say "hey shohei, you just became the only 50 50 guy, won a championship, and locked up your third unanimous mvp. Next year, you should win the cy young!" And actually mean it 😂😂😂
Ohtani should be the first active player put in the HOF
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Anton Chigurh to this day is still a frightening man
As a Ranger fan I had a front row seat to Shohei for 6 yrs. I felt for him and Mike trout having to play for the pathetic Angles, but absolutely after this year no doubter hall of famer!!
I love how Trevor is always trying to hang with Rosey and Rosey low key deflects 😂
Before watching the video, yes he's a HoF
20:00 AYO a champagne shower from the boys means something else rosey :3
salvador perez is a HOF, I can't see why Ohtani who has the accolades for 7 years and A RING not be HOF already.
@@OGking831 yes, I agree about Sal completely. I got shouted down for saying that not too long ago, but look at what he's done, and consider how hard it is for a catcher to last that long. I don't think he's a slam dunk first ballot 90% guy, but he'll get in.
For sure Ohtani is HOF. Hes the goat haha.
Watch him get the CY Young award next yr 😂😂
Of course Shohei is already a HOF player. If he never pitches, he’s a HOF. Guy did things on the field no-one has ever approached.
Started paying much more to baseball thanks to ohtani! Ohtani does so much for the game and no doubt a HOF right now
They mentioned that if it was a league mvp. Sho vs judge... They would pick judge.
But considering sho won a Championship against judge. I'd definitely pick Shohei for MVP
Regular season award. Playoffs has nothing to do with it
Yes.
It's crazy to think that if Shohei stopped right now, despite everything he's done, there really is a strong chance that he'd never get into the Hall of Fame.
I doubt it. If he get hit by a bus tomorrow, the HOF would make an exception to get him in.
Dodgers on top of the baseball world in every fashion, dreams do come true kids.
Yes. Ohtani is a Hall of Famer right this moment. The best player in the history of the game; not only 3 MVPs, but 2 as a 2-way player and 1 as the only DH to ever win it, all 3 unanimous, when no other player has won even 2 MVPs unanimously before. Oh, and only one other player has won an MVP in both leagues. Yeah, Shohei is a HOFer.
That Paul Skenes video gave off serious arranged marriage vibes 😂.
Because dating Livvy Dunne must be so rough lmao
@@zaneplatt3533 the look on his face doesn't make it seem like a good time haha
I don't think Skenes likes all the attention his girlfriend brings. He seems to be a humble dude.
@ yep, and getting attention is pretty much her whole job
Ohtani is a HOFer and paid off his contract already.
If he wins one cy young in the rest of his career you can lock it up already or id say 1 more mvp or world series. But already 3x mvp and 1x world series champ its looking great
If the Hall of Fame wasn't stupid, then there would be no question. However, since the Hall of Fame is stupid, they don't really give a shit about being the most important player. Being an okay player for 20 years is celebrated more than being the best player for 5. It is why it doesn't really matter.
@@spman2099 Harold Baines is the best example of how goofy the Hall is. No disrespect to him, he had a great career, he was solid and consistent. But he's not a hall of famer. He was never elite, never even close to an MVP, never lead the league in a major category, didn't achieve any big milestone. He got in on longevity alone, and longevity is important, but there needs to be something else. Especially as a primary DH, you gotta be really, really freaking good to get in as a DH.
@@spman2099 and I'm probably biased as a Yankees fan, but Mattingly should be in before Baines.
@@markzuckergecko621 absolutely sir but getting Baines in the Hall before Mattingly, Keith Hernandez, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy is just wrong in my opinion. Harold Baines was a terrific player but is more suited for the Hall of very good instead of the Hall of Fame
The only things that are left is for Shohei to win a Cy young and take a year off to play QB in the NFL. He'll be like Bo Jackson playing both sports.
30:31 It would be a massive mistake to let Skenes leave without offering him a bag. He has the chance to be the best pitcher in baseball for the next decade. Lock him, and Jones, up now and build around them. There's very few pitchers in the history of the sport where you can say you can build a team around him, HE'S ONE OF THEM! I wouldn't be surprised if the Pirates don't do anything though. The amount of star pitchers that have been developed there that gone up and left is completely insane.
The only thing easy in baseball is getting strikeouts. Aaron got 4 more HRs but 49 less SB. Remember, this is a rehab year for Ohtani. And if you value hype, you pay Juan $765 for 41 hr and 7 sb. Judge and Ohtani's performance thus far is HoF "considered " not guaranteed.
3 MVP'S....yes. I also think we need to factor in his Japanese stats as well. Not 1 for 1, but should still count.
This is a good point. I haven’t seen his stats from Japan, but his MLB numbers would have been even higher if he came over earlier. Unfortunately stats integration won’t happen though. Ichiro would also have the most hits ever in MLB if his Japan stats counted, which I think should count since his hitting style works in the same in both leagues.
Stealing bases are easier but why are there only 2 players stole over 50 bases? Hitting is obviously much harder now than ever. Batting averages are down this past season.
Analytics changed the hitting approach for most players, it's all about exit velocity now as opposed to hitting for contact and spraying the ball across the field, if more players got back to that, the average would go up
@@skysdalimit921 Even then BA of contact hitter like Arraez not that eye popping. Hitting just so much harder than ever before.
Ohtani is locked with 3 MVPs and two way. Judge is getting close but he just needs a few more service years to lock him and no doubt he will do that while winning another MVP or two for sure.
Ohtani is so good that he made us forget he is also a pitcher.
Yes.He is as great as Yoshinobu Yamamoto as picher.
Blake Snells best fit is back in SD!!!
YES. 100%. And if any writer doesn't vote him in would be an idiot. 3x MVP, only player to hit and pitch in the modern era. 50-50 club. Just the 3x MVP should get him in unanimously.
Merrill got snubbed so hard. And this is coming from a Dodgers fan.
20:05 get rainbolt on the job. He'll let us know where this was 😎
If Ohtani somehow could not play enough to reach the 10 year milestone at this point it would need to be something tragic. In that case I would imagine some exception would be made. However Thurman Munson tragically died in a plane crash having only played 10 real seasons was already a multi time champ, ROY winning and MVP with over 45 bWar as a catcher and the HOF has still not let him in despite for most fans it being obvious that he is and would have been a HOFer had he not died at 32
Even the idiots that keep no-brain HoFers like Barry Bonds out for stupid-ass reasons (he had HoF career before he even started juicing) would vote Shohei in, without hesitation, if he somehow ended up playing a total of three partial games over the next three years just to hit minimum eligibility.
What's truly scary for everyone that isn't the Dodgers is the fact that this dude's likely going to come back fully healthy next year.
Ohtani will get his own wing in cooperstown when he retires. He’s definitely a hall of famer now.
Come on. Shohei isn't just a serviceable two-way player. He's one of the BEST hitters AND one of the BEST pitchers in the league. He's literally TWO hall of fame players in one.
Skenes not being up at the beginning of the year disqualifies the pirates from the benefit of his roty, right? Under the new CBA
Is Ohtani the fastest person to be a sure fire MVP? Was anyone so early in their career? Id say maybe Fernando ROY, CY Young, WS right off the bat? If you wanna get technical maybe Jackie the first day he stepped on a field.
yeah his impact on the game alone is a consideration...., plus his productivity solidifies it. pitching on a good team like the dodgers, i dont see how he does not win over 10 games every year and i do not see how he doesnt hit over 30 homeruns every year for at least another 4 years if not 5 more years. this is coming from a guy that was betting against him this year...........
ok, what would have mattered to me is if he was caught stealing, let's say, 20x. or even 10x? He raised the opportunity for Dodgers scoring over and over.
Well, the one place I disagree is with the Ruth comparisons - yes, Ruth didn't do it in same seasons, but Ruth's pitching in at least one of the years was unreal. And, many of his offensive seasons speak for themselves.
I see Ohtani as the true unicorn
15:21 I’m a Yankee fan who hates most Yankee fans. You can’t have an intelligent factual conversation with half of them because they just regurgitate the rings argument when evaluating best player.
Judge is clearly demonstrably better than here
Did Mariano Rivera play for the Yankees? 😂 Rivera, Jeter, Judge.
Definitely a HOF at this point, he’s checked all the boxes if I was a voter
Yes
Rose saying Jeter is a below average defensive shortstop is accurate but he’s not a below average short stop.
It’s a two way position & being a hall of fame hitter is vastly more important than being impeccable on defense.
Look at Volpe, he’s great defensively but one of the worst hitters in the league. Therefore he is a below average shortstop
Unicorn! How do you leave unicorn out of HOF? He is even a unicorn among HOFers
Well yes because of the immediate unicorn factor. But he’s going to become something else entirely. Multiple Cy Young pitcher in the making
Yes he is a HOF right now. I mean, 50/50, 3 mvps...
Jeter has five gold gloves the only other shortstop to match that number is Ozzie smith. So how is he a below average defender?
They didn’t use defensive metrics to inform gold glove voting back then. It was just a combination of eye test and popularity
@@noodler5583if he had one gold glove I would agree with you more but five gold gloves isn’t a fluke. Ain’t no way, no matter how you put it or look at it can you call a five time gold glove winner a below average defender.
@@alecbourg2475he didn’t get any less popular over the years, in fact he became more and more beloved. I’m not big on defensive metrics, I think they probably have a pretty big margin of error, but there is no way of bending the math to say that Jeter was good on defense
@@noodler5583 I’m not saying he was the best defender of all time by any means he clearly wasn’t but calling him a below average defender with 5 gold gloves seems like a stretch.
@@alecbourg2475idk what to tell you, that’s just how gold gloves worked back then, it wasn’t based on any measure that even attempted to be objective. The defensive metrics are out there if you really don’t believe me
If he retired today no he doesn't have the 10 years played required to be eligible for the HOF and an exception has only been made once for Addie Joss who died during spring training in 1911 which would have been his 10th year
But he's a two way player. They'll probably make an excuse that he's been qualified at year 5
dont know tons about HOF,but seems they have a committee with 10yr list of chances , and another special one to grab people who somehow got missed by first committee
IMO that 2nd one should take him early while hes still playing, since they have diff rules or w/e,
couple other sports did the early entrance with no waiting period for people who single-handedly changed the games they play
otani's main comparison is ruth,who effectively in todays game is using an illegal bat
if you put them both one on one, gave ruth a metal bat,and shohei wooden bat, im not sure its an easy simple vote on who wins, esp since otani's whole career has been hitting against 3000 spinrate BS , and ruth might have seen 1/2 that or less,we dont really know
New baseball fan here - why isn't Trout eligible for the HoF?
He is still playing and active.
Judge was not taking it over judge had it been league wide 😂😂
Shohei is already
Posada, Bernie, Mo, O’Neill, Arod, etc. are all better Yankees 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Judge is more talented then most of them (Arod is the best hitting SS ever so I wouldn’t put Judge over him yet) but he can’t be at those guys level without bringing a championship to the team. It’s not like he’s Don Mattingly and his teams are absolutely atrocious. They make the playoffs most of his years and he’s objectively bad when it matters most 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I'm sorry but Blake Snell isn't an ace. He obv has ace stuff and has had two spectacular cy years but the innings just aren't there to be deemed an ace. There's a reason teams are being so hesitant to offer him a long term deal.
Yes. Full Stop.
I think Judge and Shohei are HoFers if they never played another game.
If Ohtani retires today it’d be because of injury and he’d get in
They need to change the names of these awards or add a 2nd award. Skenes over the Jackson’s is ridiculous.
Have a best statistical award and a “of the year” or “most valuable”.
Absolutely in the hall of fame for Shohei. And I think Rose is right and it might be that Skenes has the personality of a brick.
Skenes isn’t going to extend. FA he’ll get 300 milly.
@@SO-if3yn add him to the list of temporary Pirates.
He'll be on a contender in a few years. The guy is a great pitcher.
I dare someone to comment here that Ohtani is NOT a HOFer...it's the offseason...lame topic...we miss baseball :(
Yes, though, 100 percent, let Paul Skenes be Paul Skenes! If he acts like he is someone he isn’t, wouldn’t that just be way more awkward? His talent speaks for itself anyways.
He’s a HoFer to me and probably most modern fans. Unfortunately, the voters are garbage and would not put him on because he wouldn’t have counting stats and 10 years isn’t enough.