Is StoryTeller ACTUALLY Canon? (FNaF: Tales From the Pizzaplex)

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[@LewsTherinTelescope]

The attractions in the Pizzaplex appear to change quite often, you can actually plot out a pretty solid timeline with surprisingly few ambiguous points going solely by which locations are and aren't mentioned. Some like Cleithrophobia and HAPPS show an unrecognizable Pizzaplex, some like Bobbiedots and Somniphobia show one that's essentially the same as in Security Breach (down to insanely specific details), and some like GGY and The Storyteller show one that's got attractions from both time periods. In the Nexie preview we see the tree glitching horribly, so they probably took it down eventually, which would explain why none of the more modern stories mention it.
As for the tragedy in Edwin's past, I got the impression it was the death of his son, probably to the Mimic (which it seems he likely created), not the MCI. If he did indeed make it, we can also firmly place his company being sold as definitely before Pizzeria Simulator, as the instruction manual found there in the epilogues mentions Mimic 1 and Mimic 2 models and was clearly made at a point where they were known to be highly dangerous already (as it advises anyone who sees one to _immediately_ disconnect its power source and take the endo apart, due to "clunky" tech).
Though on the continuity question: The Help Wanted story directly contradicts the Help Wanted game (the indie dev's emails are important to the lore of the game, but he's completely cut off from the outside world and meets in-person in the books), so they're definitely not identical timelines anyway. Currently, the way I think of it is the way I think of The Silver Eyes novel vs graphic novel-the end point is the same, and the arc is the same, but occasionally they'll take different roads to get there.

[@glasscardproductions4736]

A solution!
I hope this fixes it.

[@TheShape45]

Edwin's son got leaked to be the protagonist of the story "the mimic"

[@pr.depper4819]

yeah but can they beat goku tho

[@spidey2837]

​@@pr.depper4819nope

[@januszjanusz536]

"Storyteller" (as every other tales story) takes place before event's of SB. We even see what happend to the Storyteller tree in "Nexie" (preview). All the inconsistency in the attraction's are due to some of them being seasonal or being closed down due to accidents ("Happs", "Pressure")

[@DerpaTure9503]

What happens to it in Nexie?

[@januszjanusz536]

@@DerpaTure9503 We don't have the full context yet but it the story the whole pizzaplex is closed due to Storyteller malfuncioning. So we can pretty much assume that it was taken down.

[@PersonianOld]

And after this comment, Tiger Rock came out, a hundred percent confirming this

[@dtimetyp7062]

so adressing the problems mentioned in the video:
The timeline not working out: the tragedy he mentions probably was when he created the mimic, not some mci from the 90s. he was probably the one who created it, then it killed his son, then he got bought out by fazbear and stuff happens. that is was seems to be implied, and in the next book we seem to get an origin story for the mimic, since that book has a story ... called the mimic
the tree disappearing: they removed it. simple as that. and i can prove it: the stories under construction, happs, cleithrophobia and pressure all feature the same pizzaplex that recently opened. in those stories there are the tubes/freddys fortress and the fast freddy roller coaster. in ggy and the storyteller most of the attractions mentioned in previous stories are missing. except for the tubes and the roller coaster. the other attractions for replaced with monty golf, roxy raceway, bonnie bowl and more. and most importantly, the fazplex tower behind the pizzaplex for the higher ups in the company. this tower connects directly to bobbiedots, with the same tower in the same pizzaplex, but now one for one with how we see it in sb. so they removed the tubes the coaster and the storyteller inbetween, and instead added things like the daycare. this happens regardless if tales is in the game universe or not. it has to be the same plex. and if we deffinetly know that the pizzaplex will end up looking like we see it in sb, then there is no argument with "this attraction doesnt appear" since it is talking about an attraction that got removed years ago.
vanny not appearing: this wasnt a point, but i feel like adressing it: in ggy, the 3rd therapist got killed roughly a month ago. it was during that third therapists cds that vanessa got transferred to the pizzaplex. since ggy happens around the center of the pizzaplexes lifespan (because as previously said, it is a mixture of the opening-day-plex and the sb-plex) and we barely got stories from later times of the plex, and most stories happen during the daytime and we rarely were in teh pizzaplex at night, it makes sense for vanny to appear rarely up until now. however, i suspect future stories to feature her.
so i would now say good video, but i completely disagree. thanks for reading

[@smashers6971]

11:05 man I needed another reminder on how Vanny was just an utter waste of a character.
I do I like the idea of the Fazbear CEO being this money hungry jerk who only bought the company to make a profit, and just by accident made Afton return because he was constantly cutting corners.

[@DerpaTure9503]

The tragedy Edwin saw doesn't necessarily have to be one of the original murders or something like that. It seems more likely that it's just his previous entanglement with The Mimic, which could be placed at a variety of points in the timeline. You even suggested something similar in the video. This doesn't clash against the timeline at all.
The tree is easy to explain: it just isn't there anymore. This story would be before SB, and this whole Storyteller thing clearly went wrong.

[@titan7789]

Yeah,I thought that the tree could be before SB,but I think he's taking about how GGY never addressed the giant tree,I guess?

[@pokabewrastlin]

if we know anything about fazbear entertainment its that they would do ANYTHING to save money or sweep crimes under the rug, so they would most likely just... keep the tree there if they wanted to save money... why tear it down and not just take the stupid storyteller out, plus the games show nearly 0 references to a big tree or tiger animatronic or storytelling robot in security breach, the closest is the candy cadet stories and the black and white wires in the pizzaplex, both being used to (at least nearly) confirm other theories, so why reuse them to say that the books are canon.

[@DerpaTure9503]

@@pokabewrastlin Yes, Fazbear Entertainment loves to sweep crimes under the rug and keep their reputation clean... which is probably why they'd get rid of this fiasco too. Just like they got rid of the Toys.
They make it clear in the books that attractions being removed and added to the Pizzaplex isn't uncommon by any means.

[@pokabewrastlin]

@@DerpaTure9503 exactly. it says it in the BOOKS. when does the games ever address attractions being removed often in security breach? never. hell if you want to include AR and VR too they still dont mention it. frankly i dont think that anything should be treated as canon unless it appears at least twice in official non-game media or appears at least once in the games, never outside of the tales from the pizzaplex books does it state that the pizzaplex had prior attraction that had to be/were removed, the closest is bonnie bowl but thats still there as of security breach, and even if the storyteller DOES take place prior to SB AND is canon, that doesnt change anything about the plot, so why should it matter. that, at leas to me, is the same problem with people saying that the bite victim had to be in 1983, it being in 1987 doesnt change anything major, the most it does it simplify the timeline and slightly push certain things forward.

[@fez9439]

​​@@pokabewrastlin 1. If Storyteller happens before SB, it fundamentally changes our understanding of how Glitchtrap got in the Pizzaplex, and we'd have to include all the stories connected to it, like Tiger Rock. A story about Tiger Rock being in a VR Booth and infecting another person. I.e, implying there are more people infected by Glitchtrap than just Vanny and Gregory. That seems like some pretty important information to consider, which "coincidentally" overlaps with something people thought was retconned out of SB, but seemingly still is present
2. Scott deconfirmed it happening in 87, that's why no one considers it anymore

[@sparklingbee_]

I think some stories in TFTPP are game canon, others are in Fazbear Frights canon, and third ones are random AUs

[@Cyrus21100]

Instead of a tree, there is that gold statue under Roxy Raceway that looks like Glameock Freddy.
Maybe that used to be the Storyteller in the games.

[@JD-xz1mx]

"It feels like its trying to answer questions, but only at a glance. The second you think about those answers and how they're presented, it doesn't work anymore."
You're stumbling on the hidden truth behind the series.
Scott doesn't actually think these things through before he adds them.

[@EvyDevy]

Pretty sure that date is 20X5, not 2035. Also, Edwin's company was found 40 years ago, not 30. Edwin spent 30 years away from Fazbear Ent. until he rejoined 10 years before Storyteller. The buyout likely happened after FNaF 6 but we'll see in Nexie. Only The Bobbiedots takes place in the SB Pizzaplex. Other stories have it in an older Pizzaplex shaped like a dome.

[@Cxsonn]

I believe that Fazbear Enterprises bought out Edwin Murray's company before the events of _Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria Simulator,_ as it is mentioned in one of the _Tales from the Pizzaplex_ epilogues that there was a manual for the Mimic endoskeleton present in Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place, meaning that the Mimic endoskeletons were used (or were planned to be used) at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place. This would also explain why the Mimic endoskeleton we read about in the epilogues is burnt, as Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place was burned.

[@EvyDevy]

@@Cxsonn That could be the case. Maybe right before PS.

[@siresquawks]

It very clearly says 2035. But it he buyout thing must’ve been something I misread.

[@crisbox2007]

​@@siresquawks Where does it says 2035?

[@siresquawks]

@@crisbox2007 ok the Fred masquerade image.

[@thereismax]

If Edwin was born in '71 and existed in the game timeline, there is a chance he was one of the bullies in fnaf 4 minigames, so this might be the thing he was talking about. But well...

[@anorak3334]

An explanation that I think makes a lot of sense that I've seen thrown around a lot simply just comes down to the Pizzaplexs' renovations. We know for a fact from other tftp stories that the Pizzaplex constantly goes through seasonal renovations, which said renovations doing stuff like adding and/or adding attractions and renovations. This would explain why a lot of attractions supposedly present in the the pizzaplex in the tales books aren't present in SB. There's stuff like Freddy's Castle, Ballora's fitness and flex, chica and cupcake themed rides, a lazer tag seemingly not even related to fazer blast since it's just referred to as "lazer tag" even where using it's actual name could be appropriate, bumper carts, rollercoasters, the tube maze H.A.P.P.S was in, the list could go on. So I feel like the tree could've very easily/likely been a thing that was removed during a renovation, especially if 2 employees die in there.

[@Zy-goat]

Good work

[@boanoah6362]

Nailed it, also we see the tree in Ruin so it's technically still around.

[@_JoJo_Enjoyer]

why it can`t just happen before SB, and then they just remooved the tree, and storyteller became BLOB quation mark?

[@tmoobel]

I always believed there's a currently unshown event somewhere between The Storyteller story and Security Breach which explains why the tree isn't there anymore, like maybe it was removed at some point, though that's literally just speculation to put any sense to it
(also btw there never was a water attraction at the pizzaplex, the water place shown in Submechanophobia I believe was a seperate location called Freddy's Fantasy Water Park, just wanted to add that)

[@adammartinez8061]

And considering How The Description of the PizzaPlex is exactly as how it is in the game, I’d say that Storyteller and Security Breach are very close in the timeline.

[@somethingfornow_]

One of the epilogues has a character drop a bottle in the Pizza Place. That bottle is right there on the floor in Security Breach. I'd like to see an answer for why THAT was included if these stories aren't canon.

[@DerpaTure9503]

@@sunnyisabunny1479 The Storyteller clearly links back to the epilogues though.

[@derekmartin5340]

@@sunnyisabunny1479 The Storyteller itself is canon to the Epilogues.

[@derekmartin5340]

@@sunnyisabunny1479 what?

[@glasscardproductions4736]

​@@sunnyisabunny1479
I agree that the story was changed too many times, but it's still coherent.
It isn't the most comfortable, but it's coherent.

[@siramaytheshowgundragon]

You guys do know the commenter was being sarcastic right?

[@porcelainchips6061]

This really seems like another example of the books and the games echoing each other / having repeating themes that causes one to indirectly fill gaps in the other. I'm very tired of the idea we can seek direct answers from the books; it just seems like both pieces of media help you "guess better" for the opposite thing but this "need" for people to say there are 1-to-1 matches is a dangerous rabbit hole for then trying to keep your brain straight for sorting out information. The story teller is clearly telling us that this happened over here in this other version of the FNAF universe, so probably this could happen again in the game universe; it's confirming what's potentially possible. When most people read the books, they are already coming in with the game lore and that probably, without them knowing/thinking about it, sets them up to understand a lot of what's going on in the books and I think that's kinda the "point" of the two formats; I think Scott hopes for the two forms of media to enrich each other and sort of expand on their mysteries and possible answers and add "value" to both product lines by having them share so much connective tissue, without being directly dependent on each other.
One of the greatest ways to "hurt" a large body of content is to make it too interdependent; a good "cinematic universe" is, in theory, when a series of movies stand on their own but when watched together add more depth as you see the connections and how one detail over here might explain a mystery over there. The danger with trying to do this, though, is that it's easy to just let the media directly build on top of each other and lose that independently-sustainable element; a lot of people would say the Marvel series and recent Star Wars shows are beginning to assume too much in terms of expecting their audiences to have consumed all previous entries before viewing the latest. This can eventually become the death nail, because it makes it difficult to discern for new viewers where they are suppose to "enter" the series. I still think FNAF has maintained two clear paths and hasn't yet muddied the waters completely; you can still either start with the games or the books, but we haven't hit a point where you have to do either one or the other first. I'd even say you can play the video games out of order, still, and not feel too disoriented.

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

The problem is that it’s unclear how much of the books actually matter. Sure, they aren’t meant to be exactly the same, but in what way are they similar? Which ones are more important?
Instead of helping you “guess better”, it ends up making you have to make more guesses.

[@agentboi4794]

Ok so I think the tree not being in security breach isn't a big deal. We see in Tales books that multiple are either shutdown or replaced. Stories like somniphbia and bobbiedots are very 1-1 with the games and fit in almost seemelessly. There's also a possibility that some tales Stories take place in a different(most likely smaller) pizzaplex. As for Edwin his blood tragedy could be something that we just haven't seen yet or could be something related to the mimic as he seems familiar with it. Although with stuff like that Tiger Rock animatronic and the Nexie preview show that we don't have the full picture just yet.

[@tomkubus]

We see that epilogue 1 has canonically happened in security breach, as we literally see it there, and every art of the pizzaplex has changed over time, and usually things are removed after deaths, like the deaths in the storyteller, it's made very obvious that tales happen in the games and that things get swapped around

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

Well there's the issue that the other FNAF books, while not literally in game continuity also tied into and explained things from the games.

[@Skibbutz]

​@@erickamakeeaina1649 no, the Tales are litterally in the game continuity.

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

@@Skibbutz I don't personally believe that theory.

[@Skibbutz]

@@erickamakeeaina1649 it's not a theory. Its just canon information.
It's like saying you don't belive the theory that fnaf 2 is set in 1987, you're just wrong.

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

@@Skibbutz No its not. It's simply one belief, with points for and against it.
You can choose whether you believe it or not

[@LizzyARTING]

So what I'm getting from the taes of the pizzapelx is a long history of things going wrong and having to be replaced or removed or shut down or covered up. The building is built over the original fnaf location, which is jow deeeeep below the rest of the facility. The facility has tons of on going construction, which indicates to me that they are expanding and building over things that went wrong. So there's a possibility the tree was removed because something horrible happened inside it.

[@ImmortalAbsol]

Does it specify what was absorbed by the company?
Could it be El Chip for example and not contain any hint to the time period?
Also could they not have removed the tree before security breach when the storyteller goes full GLaDOS in the facility or something.

[@TheRainbowWolf]

I think Tales is definitely in the game timeline. Fazbear Frights has too many differences to be in the game timeline, like Andrew trapping William in UCN, but we know Cassidy did that in the games, and things like William's death, which we know definitely didn't happen in the games. Tales doesn't have anything to say that it can't happen in the game timeline. Yeah, there are some differences in what attractions are in the Pizzaplex, but they were probably just removed or closed before Security Breach.

[@elliotnutella8044]

This is probably the best Tales video I've seen, as it's the first time I've seen issues with the books properly addressed rather than ignoring them in favor of saying "they need to be canon and thus everything else needs to be changed" rather than "this goes against what is known so it can't be canon to the games".

[@janno7214]

Exactly! Literally this exact same logic debunks Stitchline games so I don't understand why so many people are adamant about TTFTPP being canon anyway

[@crisbox2007]

​@@janno7214 Bc Scott presented TftP as being in the games canon. He was more direct with the Tales to not be so confusing as the Frights.

[@janno7214]

@@crisbox2007 where did he do that? I've never actually seen any statement or anything

[@crisbox2007]

@@janno7214 I don't really remember where was said that XD But, in the back of the books is written a description that states the stories are part of the canon.

[@janno7214]

@@crisbox2007 well the same exact description is on all the Fazbear Frights books too, they're canon to the franchise but not to the games timeline

[@alexrivers8163]

In b4 our male protagonist in security breach is actually trapped in the storyteller and security breach is all forced self insert horror stories drawing on his desperation to get out for it's main focal point for the stories

[@noahdominguez1847]

9:29-9:36 🤣🤣🤣💀 I wish they'd advertise that tree with the exact wording same wording for a future game

[@YellowSkarmory]

TFTPP feels like it's just a repeat of Fazbear Frights again. Some stories are canon or near-canon, others are... not. I feel like The Storyteller (along with possibly others, though I haven't read anything outside GGY/Storyteller/epilogues) is just a story that tries to give an alternate universe-type story to Security Breach. I kinda like RyeToast's theory, or at least the ideas behind it, where this story is supposed to be some sort of parallel to the Blob. No tree would exist in the location in my opinion, but they put something there, which eventually ends up underground and then forms the Blob. Could this story also just have no game relevance? Yeah, sure, either are very possible, but I somewhat like the Blob connections.

[@quinnmaillot3882]

So there is a giant Freddy in the ruins underneath the pizzaplex, maybe that could be a similar stand-in?

[@overworldgames7508]

Mutiple Pizzalexs exist around the U.S, it could just be set in a different pizzaplex with a different style maybe the reason chica was white instead of yellow in "Security Breach's Pizzaplex" was because, they didn't have enough paint for her and it would be a pain to try and color her yellow without staining her eyes, beak, or her pink Torso.
( meaning... The FREAKING Story doesnt have to be set in it's own universe... i guess i'lll just wait until tiger rock comes out)

[@Chicagocanine]

Do they mention a water attraction in the Storyteller?
The ones in Submechanophobia and Felix the Shark were at different locations, not in the Pizzaplex.
My thought regarding the other attractions mentioned in the books that aren’t seen in Security Breach is that they removed the attractions after people died horribly in them, and replaced them with what they have now. Fazbear Entertainment has a history of hiding their past and covering up deaths after all…

[@siresquawks]

yeah my bad, wires got crossed with the water attraction thing.

[@rninc.7984]

I hope when Tales is done, they stop trying to make book connections to the games. Or just stop the books all together lol

[@boanoah6362]

Looking back on it now it's pretty clear the guy's company was bought out prior to FNAF 2 but after FNAF 0 so the horrible thing he saw was the MCI that scrapped the Toy animatronics and the Endo2 units. But that also means the Mimic itself is probably older than any of the animatronics so there's definitely going to be some kind of bullshit about how the Mimic is behind Afton's murders or something...
Can't wait for that stunning revelation in some book finale.

[@scarlettefoxx5585]

I feel like its a representation of the fnaf 3 person/owner
I think edwin might be phone dude, maybe not
Thus the vintage posters

[@StressedInProductions]

I cant be the only one who dislikes that there are multiple universes and timelines but that the books give weird hints for the main game lore

[@tomkubus]

There aren't, there are a few but they don't really parallel
Novels universe, novel line
Games universe, gameline
Tales universe, gameline
Stichline universe, gameline
Other frights, gameline/frightline
Movie, movieline
So 3 or 4 universes max

[@playerlgamer0592]

the writings VERY much describe what the wall code in the SL place looks like... also it's taken down in later stories, so it's probably becoming the Blob or sum shit like that... also ik this video was made before *The Mimic*, but Edwin made The Mimic...
also with all the attractions, the Pizzaplex is stated to have seasonal attractions, and just in general that they change the attractions A LOT, which is why Roxy Raceway isn't finished yet...

[@retroghidora6767]

People have already pointed out that Burrows has parallels or parts of his presentation that allude to Afton but there's stuff you mentioned here that makes me think Edwin could be a parallel of some kind for Henry.
Between them they could be alternate universe equivalents for William and Henry in this story.
And as an aside I really hope this story isn't also the game canon because it's seeming explanation for the post it room is terrible, at least as is. There needs to be more to explain what we see in game and have it be satisfying.

[@mannyegarica12]

If this is Canon, and they don't really use a tree. Ryetoast theory said giant hollow Freddy underground right next to Freddy's Pizza place. Could have been the Storyteller and then used the Funtime Freddy head with the glitchtrap virus. Ryetoast even said his own theory could have flaws in it.

[@Wizardjones69]

Im glad its not really the REAL WILLIAM, its just a virus that mimic the thing that just makes agony for this company: THE HAPPY MAN, but its in my opinion worse, because he can back in anyway bad ( its just goofy ) situations

[@masternetboss2984]

Nice AOT rainbow paths tree 👌

[@xero1048]

Not saying one way or the other if it’s canon or not, but a lot of the issues you raise could be resolved by just saying the pizzaplex changed over a couple years. Attractions come in and out of popular areas to keep things fresh. The tree would especially be taken down if it was revealed the CEO had died inside it. It would also explain why the blob (it the blob is the storyteller) is hidden underground. Escaping before the tree was taken down.

[@gaminganimators7000]

I don't think its exactly canon to the games but I think the general gist of it is

[@sulphurspanic26]

One thing I dont ses brought up enough is that Fazbear LLC is an different company from the older Fazbear entertainment

[@siresquawks]

I'm aware? That's why I specify the LLC and not Inc.

[@sulphurspanic26]

@@siresquawks yes, I know this wasn't meant to be any sort of rebuttal or insult I just like the fact you mention Fazbear LLC as a separate entity from the old Fazbear entertainment

[@oneroushorse]

Me when new sire squawks video

[@Funtime_Fredd]

The giant yellow tree is actually just a play on words saying that it’s The Blob.

[@siresquawks]

No it isn’t? It’s a fake yellow tree with multicolored branches.

[@Funtime_Fredd]

@@siresquawks That whole story was about The Blob, the yellow tree was a stand in for what the blob is, you have to figure it out for yourself because I admit that I don’t know everything about the fnaf lore, but I can tell you that I know that that story also was about the fnaf 6 fire where William and Henry have their final standoff and then The Blob afterwards goes in and collects all the agony from inside Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza where the fire happened and then proceeded to collect the parts from all the display cases in the Mega Pizza Plex to literally grow into “The Big Yellow Tree” talked about in The Bobbiedots Tales from The PizzaPlex Book, but it really isn’t actually a big yellow tree … now that I really think about it, i think the person who wrote the book didn’t understand their assignment at all and didn’t think about misconceptions and miscommunication in the book that they were writing. What they were supposed to write versus what they actually wrote is all about what they didn’t say versus what they actually said. What I know to be canon fnaf lore is that the blob is literally agony and it’s goal is to collect all agony. Also that the mimic is burntrap pretending to be William Afton, but actually isn’t William Afton yet instead it’s a lookalike that isn’t the real person, but just as violent.

[@PersonianOld]

@@Funtime_FreddPlease tell me you don’t still think this 4 months later

[@Funtime_Fredd]

@@PersonianOld No, I do not still think it. I don’t think it’s The Blob. It might actually be about The Mimic being connected to the glamrock animatronics and the Glamrock Endoskeletons, but the tree itself? Never saw a glowing boboa tree in security breach or in Ruin so I don’t get what they’re basing this so-called “boboa tree” idea from or off of.

[@thebreadbunny1863]

I have SEVERAL problems with this one, but the main one is that the pizzaplex changes.
Balloras fit and flex gets walled off. The AR booth essentially burns down. Most of the other attractions we see in the tales stories have someone die in them, including the storyteller tree. Even in security breach, characters are removed from branding, switch attractions (like moon/sun) and so on. We even see discontinued attractions like build a mangle in the plex basement.
Also, the water attractions are in a different plex.
Now, for "it has to be after ruin". No. Everything indicates that the mimic1 virus is what infects the robots and causes them to be like we see in SB (and also causes yellow glamchica to be replaced, probably). It being a prequel makes it far less weird.
Now, for Edwin's trauma, it's probably his son dying to the tiger animatonic. It's what causes his mental breakdowns, it's related to the mimic endo, and he's sorry for something, presumably building the mimic endo.

[@Fredericklarson7]

I agree with your points, but i never noticed the "build a mangle" attraction in the basement of the pizzaplex, can you tell me where it is? I'm curious

[@thebreadbunny1863]

@@Fredericklarson7 it's only the metal frame. It's one of the service tunnels, I forgot which

[@Fredericklarson7]

@@thebreadbunny1863 i went looking for it but couldn't find anything, is it something you only find in the files?

[@thebreadbunny1863]

@@Fredericklarson7 nope! It's a physical object

[@Fredericklarson7]

@@thebreadbunny1863 yes, i did find it, but didn't recognise it, i forgot about the build a mangle room in help wanted, i thought you meant something else

[@ystacalden]

The closest thing in the atrium to the Storyteller tree is the Lighthouse - on the wrong side of the atrium from Monty Golf

[@creeperboom9813]

That was a pretty good tldr

[@josecarloslopez5942]

So... There are some news... In the actual books, they took out the tree because of the problmes they were having with it. So it could still be a canon story

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

With some leaks coming out about the Mimic I'm really thinking Tales is a case of 'metaphorical' and such.(Spoilers below)
It supposedly takes place in the early-ish 80s. And Edwin is 24. So the Pizzaplex exists in Tales during the 2020s. But this would indicate that Fazbear Entertainment rose from the dead, became super rich and built a mall over the FNAF 6 location in a very short time frame.
But also the story seems to go back to the parralel storytelling FNAF tended to use.
Animatronic builders son dies in tragedy in the early 80s? Said son having played with a plush toy? This all feels like an allusion to FNAF 4.
I think the story, Wich shows Edwin unwittingly creating the Mimic. Might be implying that Glitchtrap is a creation of Afton(Albeit, probably a bit more maliciously then what Edwin did)

[@-NimbusCloud]

This is a common Sire Squawkington W if I do say so myself

[@0o0Anyuna0o0]

Ooh, what if the baobab was covered by the Freddy statue... the golden one. They do say that they close & alter attractions in the pizzaplex.

[@kittydemonoverkill]

3:55 well, somebody had to seal the safe room.

[@vixenfox1910]

Okay but what about the preview for the next story, Nexie? Literally explains that the reason a lot of the attractions are gone by SB is because they were either seasonal or removed due to "accidents". And the tree causes the Pizzaplex to close down too

[@DragonSkies0211]

Bro went through so much trouble to make the storyteller, could’ve just used chatGPT.

[@goncaloouro6922]

I don't understand the "2053" part, fnaf security breach takes place in 2035 as we can calculate by the magazines in the pizzaplex, the pizzaplex opened in 2030 and the security breach events are 5 years later,in 2035
But we have to cont the :"2035-64=1971 with the guy being a kid, he Didn't watch the old fredbears things when he born so yes in 1983/1985 the guy was 12/14 years old yes

[@BendyBro-cs4mx]

Not every part of Fnaf tales from the pizza plex is cannon, in fact even if the Story Tellar was cannon, let me explain. The Mimic 1 completely diffrent virus, the only reason why we never seen it in game is because glitchtrap trapped the mimic 1 in the security System which made the mimic fuse with the security system, eventually, The Mimic to the form as the M.X.E.S. the only reason why M.X.E.S. Looks why Glitchtrap is because it was the last thing the mimic 1 saw before being trapped in the vr headset. This is probaly Undeniably a cannon theory (Don’t even start)

[@0o0Anyuna0o0]

We never get confirmation of how many Freddy's locations there were. Besides, he could have seen something that was determined an "accident". Still interesting points about some holes though.

[@MrMoon-pp8xv]

The game is confirmed to take place in 2023

[@PersonianOld]

What? The Storyteller is in 2024, so SB has to take place years after that

[@generalbutterscotch4887]

Okay hear me out. The staff could have just made the quite reasonable decision to dismantle the tree after finding two dead bodies inside of it.

[@ransack_knight]

what if what Edwin saw was a sprinklock incident?

[@CrabsOnPaintCrew]

Great points I think there are too many differences to say for sure this is the new fnaf

[@Wizardjones69]

My favorite fazbear fright stories are: room for one more, into the pit and the best in my opinion is the new kid

[@clayton_rose]

Not saying this is the case but there is the possibility of another pizza place considering that it seemed at the beginning of Fnaf 6 that any schmuck could become a franchisee for ffp.

[@EmotionalEmo]

Edwin could be Old Man Consequences

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

I think this is a big problem of modern fnaf
We dont have anything even to say even if the New books are Canon or not

[@Ditto-Guy]

I think the tree is meant to represent something else and isn’t actually there.

[@4Angel4cross4eyes]

i dont think they are leading up to aftons defeat.
but maybe his rebirth as something far more dangerous

[@phy_despair]

quality video again! keep it up

[@janno7214]

Yeah I've always been really bothered by everyone just assuming all TTFTPP storied are canon without question. The age and timeline thing with the Storyteller alone should disqualify it form being in the games timeline imo. The weird thing is, a lot more people seem to be into TTFTPP being canon than Stitchline games when there are just as much issues with it. GGY is definitely an oddity being so one to one with what happens in the games tho, idk what to think about that one. Regardless I'm glad you're pointing out the issues with TTFTPP being canon cause that's been bothering me too

[@theraptorblue6675]

Maybe yes, but its confirmed, all TTFTPP-canon

[@janno7214]

@@theraptorblue6675 where was that confirmed?

[@grenouillesupreme]

​@@janno7214 on the back of each book

[@janno7214]

@@grenouillesupreme can you say exactly where? Because I'm looking at the back and I don't see it saying that anywhere

[@grenouillesupreme]

@@janno7214 at the very end, it says : in this (depends on which book) volume, five nights at freddy's creator scott cawthon spins three sinister novella-length tales from uncharted corners of his series' canon" so yeah it outright confirms that tales from the pizzaplex are canon

[@ceyrehb4166]

Wasnt there a story where the thee colapses into the floor??

[@ceyrehb4166]

Wait no I'm dumb it was a giant Freddy head

[@puppeteer_master8966]

Nah man the giant tree can camuflage. You just not reading correctly

[@Starving_indev]

FNaF book are a manace to all theorizing community

[@micaiahleigh2449]

I commented this on another video on this story as well, but this is Find Player Two but with white businessmen, zero nuance, zero answers, and everyone having the decision-making skills of children despite being explicitly written as highly-intelligent adults. The series does a lot better with children characters because situations like “I’ll trap him in a tree in a popular crowded restaurant for weeks without food or water instead of firing him because murder is better than severance pay” are incredibly juvenile. I love paying for a book that’s entire message is “buy Tiger Rock in a couple months if you want to have a single clue what’s going on in this one.”

[@raider2299]

Maybe the storyteller story is supposed to be canon, it just wasn’t in the game because they didn’t know about it yet. Which I hope is wrong. Who knows what ruin will do

[@aishisufuyu5961]

I thought it was clear everything in the Pizzaplex books was canon.
Edit: Oh, that's what the video is about.

[@serisdovakhin]

Speaking bluntly i really dont think anything can be canon with a game as unfinished as Security Breach. Nothing in the books is matching the barebones game or even in the cut content. They rapidly invalidate each other every turn. I hate to outright tell people to stop theorizing and such but... what is there, really? Theres the barebone plot of an unfinished game and a series of books that to my understanding are self contradictory at points. The Game Theory timeline may be full of issues but I'll credit the man for trying to make it cohesive and satisfactory.

[@someonenamedsomeone9497]

I think everything is just *sort of* related to the games, so certain parts of stories aren’t part of the game, but the general idea is.

[@wallhaz5240]

Thats what im sayin, the books dont have to be canon to explain certain aspects of the games. The first three novels arent canon but we use them to explain aspects of the games storyline. But once fazbear frights and tales of the pizzaplex came out, everyone just assumed that in order for anything in them to be canon, the whole book timeline had to be canon. Scott confirmed that the books were a parallel universe and they have their own lore, but they also explain bits and pieces of the games. Gregory being patient 46 in the books doesnt mean hes not in the games. But if there is also a giant yellow tree in a room we can free roam in but cant see in game proves that certain things in the books are canon and certain things arent

[@DerpaTure9503]

@@wallhaz5240 Scott only said that about the original novel trilogy.

[@wallhaz5240]

@@DerpaTure9503 well we already determined that tales of the pizzaplex arent canon and we know fazbear frights isnt canon cuz william is described specifically to have TWO arms, even tho scraptrap only has one

[@goncaloouro6922]

I find strange that the storyteller is cannon
It doesn't make sense with the games,the tree was Literally in the center of the main atrium

[@thebreadbunny1863]

Attractions can get removed, and remnants of the storytellers wires can be seen in the arcade.

[@PersonianOld]

The story Tiger Rock that came out after you wrote this answered this question

[@titan7789]

Oh, let's see.

[@WeakFreak]

I don't think the tree is actually a physical tree. looking at the map, the tree would be above the endo workshop in Basement 2 level. the tree could symbolise the roots of the problem, being the Afton virus that all starts in the basement of the game.

[@siresquawks]

The issue is IT IS AN ACTUAL TREE.

[@WeakFreak]

@@siresquawks I mean in the game. I know it's a tree in the book but if this detail is so important that it needs to be connected directly to the game, this could be it.

[@tannerwilburn9203]

Ok this is my problem with the books . If ggy and Bobby dot are canon , then storyteller is canon . Either the books are canon to the game or not , we can say a series is canon or not , like the silver eyes - fazbear frights - tftpp , but we can’t say some books/story’s are canon and some aren’t . Not trying to pick on you , your just the only one I see talk about these things .

[@siresquawks]

You need to look around the community more.

[@Zy-goat]

@@siresquawks Can you explain why these SB era books are selectively cannon. I know that some earlier fnaf books are obviously non cannon or alternate dimension reimaginings type stories but why do the SB ones gotta be? Which ones are contradictory to the games and how? Love your videos btw newer sub

[@Wizardjones69]

2:21
Fnaf 3 its in 2015: 30 years after the tragedies of freddy's in 1985, but fnaf 1 location closes in 1993 yes, but the freddy's of 1985 says that close in the end of the year 1985

[@Wizardjones69]

And the News paper of fnaf 1 was from 1985

[@Wizardjones69]

And fnaf 6 is yes in 2023 because of hry223

[@Wizardjones69]

Was in 1973 that fredbear was open because phone guy in fnaf 1 says: "the animatronics sing and dance for 20 years"

[@Zy-goat]

I'm over here at 2 am trying to decipher what you're saying. No offense but could you fix these errors. I'm fckn lost. You're the only one that's addressed his timeline so far.

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@Zy-goat sorry, my grammar is pretty bad, im just think fnaf 3 year cant be to munch in the future

[@juzox5161]

Remember when Matpat said that Gregory was patient 46, and everyone hated that. Now that the books confirmed that Gregory was patient 46, everyone is like cool with that now. They also hate the Gregbot theory, but I'm sure that once the books confirms that someone is a robot kid, and that kid is most likely Gregory, everyone would be cool with it.

[@zilaxd1094]

Where Afton vid?

[@sebay4654]

In my opinion the only way we can simplify the fnaf timeline? And stop the question of what's cannon is for it to just be acknowledged as a multiverse or something where we can say everythings cannon but what of that cannon is in the core timeline

[@sebay4654]

For example with the tree we can just say the tree doesn't exist in the prime universe but we can say something else fits in that place (that solution of something similar fits into the place of a central CPU

[@sebay4654]

My guess for the damn tree is instead replaced with something far more normal and for all we know we just need to take the idea that there's some central control system which we can already logically infer since Freddy mentioned a customer database right at the beginning of the game (honestly it wouldn't surprise me if vanny's hide out is the equivalent of the damn tree (considering the presence of a tool which was used to command the staff to disassemble freddy my guess is that the story teller is vanny's computer which houses the core glitchtrap virus (personally I want to believe vanny and Vanessa are two separate characters

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

that doesnt simplify anything. it's just using different terms for the same thing. saying "everything is canon, but some things are a different timeline or multiverse" means exactly as much or little as "everything is canon to itself/it's own direct series, but not everything is canon to the games series" which is what people have been doing. this is not new it's just retracing steps with a shiny coat of paint (and not even a good looking coat of paint at that)

[@racksonoff]

First