Frames: Being Black In The Netherlands
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2020
- Although the Netherlands may appear tolerant and open, traditions like Zwarte Piet suggest that racial discrimination and stereotyping are still prevalent issues. The lack of self-awareness of the Netherlands and the Dutch regarding their covert racism and colonial past act as a mask to the injustices faced by their Black citizens. This video is an attempt at exposing some of these biases by creating a platform for individuals of colour to speak openly and freely and share their experiences. Michael Brookman-Aikins, Naomi Dimeo, Ayisha Heuerding and Noah Sandel discuss the subjects of housing discrimination, social media activism and lack of diversity in universities.
During the editing of this video, murals at the Black Archives in Amsterdam were defaced. Images of Black activists were painted over to look white. Racism is alive and well in Amsterdam.
Follow these Dutch resources:
Dutch BLM Twitter account:
/ blmnederland
Kick Out Zwarte Piet organisation:
www.nederlandwordtbeter.nl/pr...
Visit the Black Archives:
www.theblackarchives.nl/home....
Support Black-Owned Businesses in Amsterdam:
MOSAIKO, magazine promoting art, culture and politics // EduCulture, giftshop // Patta // Vle’s Kitchen, Surinamese BBQ // Daily Paper, fashion and lifestyle brand // New Originals, clothing brand // Mendo, independent publishing house // Zeedijk 60, multi-brand store // Natural Nation, hair salon // New Offsprings, shoe and clothing brand // Coloured Goodies, first Black doll gift shop in Europe // Annie’s Place, Surinamese restaurant // African Kitchen, West African restaurant // Water & Brood, Breakfast restaurant
*List found on Trippin.world and supplemented with more businesses.
Producer: Issy Pullman
DP: Matteo Moretti Azzalli
Camera operators: Elisa Morand, Marie Debarbieux
Sound Engineer: Spike Barton
Editors: Cansu Kayan
Project supervisor: Marie Debarbieux
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Fact that this group of ppl talking about feeling unwelcome and invalidated, then the comments are “go back if you don’t like it here then” is just……..
Funny,I too can’t stand it when people say we must have tolerance when in fact we should demonstrate compassion.
I was just talking yesterday about how when UvA talks about being "diverse" they are referring to white people from other european countries. thats as far as the diversity goes.
I am a Black Belgian from the French speaking side but I always felt like you, living on the Flemish/Dutch speaking side felt superior to us. Maybe I am wrong but to me we are one same family and I love yall
We want to highlight the fact that some comments below reflect the things that were discussed in the video. We absolutely do not condone these. We feel they exemplify the racism experienced by our speakers and we are therefore leaving them as evidence.
Very very meaningful conversation! Thanks to all four of you👏
I work at diffrent places as an allrounder yesterday i came to a place and i could feeel they where not expecting a dark skinned person so i was treated distantly from the start so i tried to blend in be social but i was tired... so i distanced myself and did not speak one word unless spoken to. It made me think about my kids for a second.. so i went to the bathroom and cried. Came back like nothin ever happend
this vid is so well done + they all got their points across incredibly well. love to see it
This is a great video - thank you to all the people involved with this project!
They have “tolerance” in the uk as well. It’s also not great with its understanding of its own colonial history, even though it understands it arguably had the most notorious empire ever. But this stuff is available freely so ppl can and do learn it, it’s just not taught well in schools, and many ppl get defensive when it’s brought up. It’s been weaponised by politicians so it’s made things worse. This was a good video, thank you for doing this
So proud of everyone involved
Well spoken & very insightful. Thanks for this video guys!
Thank you all so much for this video!
100% they said what needed to be said
Amazing video and topic !! New subscriber 👏🏾
Very Interesting Video!!
loved listening to this. Incredibly insightful . Wow. 💜
Amazing, thanks for this video
On point!!
Nice that Leroy Sane is also part of this video
This is really interesting
Do the people who don’t see color also not see height and weight?
"...assuming I'm from Abeokuta in Nigeria or something...". One question: So people from Abeokuta should be treated differently? Aren't you part of the problem?
No what she’s getting at is they assume that she can’t be from the area bcz shes black n according to the ⚪️ all black are from and still reside in Africa.
Ur roots are not in the west as long as your in the west west ur a target 💅💅💅
🤦🏻♀There leave a lot white people in the US, Australia, South Africa. THERE ROOTS IS NOT THERE! And some black people in Europe live generation long in Europe. And some black are mixed with the Europa! Stop with your bullshit comment and claim that racism is okey.😒 Racisme is in every place not okey!!
I find it hard to watch this. I wish they didnt feel the way they did, and people would be more tolerant and accepting. Alas, we are not there by a long way.
This was good
Unfortunately racism and especially against black people is still today prevalent. The tax office ethnic profiling, Geert Wilders come to mind.The Dutch were and still a nation of traders. They took advantage of the West India Company and traded with Africans for many years. When slavery was abolished in 1865, all slavers were compensated for their loss, but not the slaves. I think from this period that the Dutch never could accept the end of slavery. That (Some) still have a score to settle. I live amongst descendants of slaves in a rural area in the Caribbean.
hell yeah
👏👏👏👏👏👏❤️
“So many white ppl don’t see white as a race, they see white as a norm” 1:56
@19:34 Do not put the responsibility of your happiness in another person’s hands. It’s not their responsibility to make you happy.
@10:00 it’s not the responsibility of other people to treat me as a person.
It’s my responsibility to education myself about my culture, heritage, and behavior.
Yes, it’s smart to the old southern expression; I’m Free White And 21.
It’s not the responsibility of others to treat you as a person? Bro that’s literally called humanity . What are you saying
Interesting
I want to make one point very clear: Racism IS always discrimination, but vice versa discrimination is NOT always racism. It's both bad and sad for sure. But to adress these issues by trying to ban it from society, you DO have to point out what kind of discrimination you're dealing with. Skin colour differences, cultural differences, religio differences etc. etc. all need a (whole) different kind of approach to resolve.
Don't forget ableism and favoritisim
In the Netherlands the racism is also white against white,pols and Romanians can relate the discrimination received by the Dutch,so it’s not only about blacks,Dutchies have racism in their blood since they are born.
yup
"Dutchies have racism in their blood since they are born" is THE MOST DISCRIMINATING LINE towards Dutch people that i've ever heard. You should be ashamed by yourself, and look in the mirror before you accuse others of discrimination.. And for de record: white people discriminating other white people is discrimination, but can never be racism. And last but not least: When you mention the word "Dutchies", i can tell by your comment that by that word you mean only white Dutch people, while in reality Dutch people are of all colours.That also means that you are a racist yourself.
If you do customers support it’s not that strange to expect you to speak Dutch
You felt this was the most important part of the video?
@@isabelpullman3692 Well, kind of the video is about not feeling welcome and being ostracised because of racism in the Netherland. But living in a country and not learning the language also show you are not attempting to integrating into the society and therefore you remain the other.
@@tmiedema1782 So they deserve it? Their race plays no role in their othering? If they learn Dutch racism will disappear? Learning Dutch is one part of the integration process, you also do not know the efforts they are individually making. You assume they are not learning Dutch.
@@isabelpullman3692 Never said racism is not playing a part in their ostracasian but Naomi says does not speak it, but works with Dutch customers and she says that the don't want to talk to her because of the language barrier and says it's racist to call for a manager don't know the situations but maybe the just want to speak their own langue in their own country. Don't think that is unreasonable.
I agree with Isabel Pullman. Speaking the language shouldn't be a factor in being accepted for the race that you are. I think that integration and racism can't be linked when it comes to this. She could be speaking Dutch and still be disciminated. Sure, it would help them to integrate, but it won't solve the racism issues they face.
I adopted two children from China. Neither of them has ever suffered from any kind of discrimination, perhaps because they jokingly call themselves banana. Yellow on the outside, white on the inside. I do not know. But our youngest is in a relationship with a black boy of Ghanaian descent. He has never been discriminated against in Amsterdam.
Lol you can’t speak for others. Also this is anecdotal evidence, that isn’t even yours. And let’s say you’re right, what’s your point? That it didn’t happen to them so it didn’t happen?
germany is much worse than the netherlands
I'm a Caucasian male. I am moving to Lagos to study sociology. I am taking no fucking shit!
Could you expatiate on “I am taking no fucking shit” ?
The 2 mixed panelists shud just get closer with their white dutch side.... someone get Seedorf in here to bring more perspective
Ever heard of the United States of America? Over there racism is a systemic phenomenon which means that (especially in the South) cops and civil servants are racist with the blessing of the population. As a colored person you have to fear for you life during a traffic stop. Those cops do notice your skin color and act accordingly in a violent way.
Colored people nagging about Dutch racism and prejudice act like a bunch of spoiled children without realizing how the world outside the Netherlands looks like in terms of racism and superficial prejudice. You guys act like spoiled children. And no, I'm not a racist. I've always played in multicultural bands and ignoring someone's skin color doesn't automatically mean ignoring or rejecting his or her (native) culture.
I feel blessed to have been born and live in the Netherlands and you should too.
Go take a three month vacation in the Southern United States and experience the real world. Experience what bigotry and racism really means for those people who were so unfortunate to have been born in America and come back home after that and we'll talk further.
Colored people?!
@@mairajamil001
I'm Dutch but you know what I mean.
Non-whites. Everyone without blond hair and blue eyes.
Can you live with that definition, American?
Yet u still in the country why don’t you leave
because some black were born in the Netherland! And you can't say that they leave because or racism in the Netherland! This problem if racism in countries have to stop! Don't blame the black people!
They was born there and therefore should be treated equally. Tf is u trying to imply? Racism is an issue that should be not be normalized.
How much victimhood can you cram in 22 minutes. Apparently, lot.
Very ignorant people
''So many white people see white as the norm''
Because it is and has always been like that, when you think of the Netherlands, you think about Dutch things normal to Dutch society.
Norm or normal, is that which is most prevalent or are most of.
People asking you where you from when you're black and not speaking the language, i find quite normal, i don't understand why that's bothering you.
Or assuming you're from Africa, which is after all the place the whole black race came from.
Growing up in a part of a city between many nationalities, but in a western nation, may feel comfortable.
When attending a mainly white school may not, but sorry to say this, that's on you.
Question : When came black pete into your life and when did it became a problem ?
You were probably aware of black pete from a very young age and all was fine.
It became a problem because a or a few adults made it a problem, nobody, white or black, adult or child ever thought it was anything other than what it always has been, a childrens festivity and happy time.
Outside of Amsterdam that much different being black ?
Where ? A very small village in Friesland ? Yeah, i guess so, but isn't that to be expected ?
The example of the woman describing the meeting, i'll find very hard to believe or she's not telling the whole story.
The search in AH ? I'm a 57 year old white man with the looks of a Hell's Angel, even in the AH which i mainly use for groceries, i'll have that experience far more often than the people next to me, even after 6 years and all knowing i'm a friendly guy who never stole anything.
Point making : When you stand out in the crowd, expect to be treated that way.
Last remark, any idea how many people through the years have or have tried to pull my goatie ?
Pfffff a gazillion.
Asked to leave or never getting in in the first place at clubs or other venues ? Holy shit, that much.
But thinking about it afterwards, even though their reasoning was wrong, i still understand it, because we actually do this ourselves also.
I avoid many places where i can expect it to happen, mainly because i don't want to be there anyway, i mean, i don't like golf, so why go there.
But even if i did, what should i expect ? Maybe not getting thrown out, but certainly not appreciated being there.
I'm halfway the vid and stopped.
Having a pretty good understanding of the overall narrative, i would like to say some things.
Everywhere on this planet, with every kind of people (even amongst same race, place of birth and residency) people atrack or flock to 'their' kind.
Hey, skateboarders find each other and like that, so do painters, but also whites, colored, brown, yellow or black people.
Makes you feel amongst peers, same way of thinking or interest and whatever more.
You all in the video do exactly the same, all black, no Asian or white person around.
Probably having none or very few white friends.
Living amongst many black people and attending black parties and events, and listening to black music, and whatever more you like.
I won't deny racism exists and assholes also roam the Netherlands, just like any other place.
Racism prevellent over here ? Hell no.
(off track, but wanting to really experience it ? Try Asia, especially China)
Can you be who you whish to be here ?
Absolutely !
Is it possible to become anyone you could aspire to be here ?
Again, absolutely, probably not easy, but that goes for anyone who raises the bar high.
Overall : Stop wining so much, and contemplate a bit more on what you're doing right now, which is actually making things worse.
Especially end this horrific and relentless referal to colonial times and slavery.
You weren't there and so were we.
You (and when being born here, also your parents) have never experienced apartheid, like for example in the US or S. Afrika in the past.
Not to mention that every race and even nations has have had the same experience at some time in history.
And last but not least : You're always free to leave.
Peet wow you really had a lot of time typing this. They are allowed to talk about THEIR EXPERIENCES. It’s easy as a white man to talk like everything they say is exaggerated. Walk in the shoes of a black person once and then come back again.
@@ArianeL Why don't you focus on the content, instead of me ?
@@nelmalima7228 What a bliss, it's like i hear Larry Elder, or even better, Thomas Sowell speaking (all black people should subscribe to them) I could talk endlessly more about subject, but that's not going to work in this format. But i have a solution, and knowing that information/knowledge is the biggest force to understand what's going on and necessary to address any problem as truthful possible, i would like you for starters to watch this for example (and hopefully pass it on)
''The British Crusade Against Slavery'' ua-cam.com/video/_NoWIZv96KU/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/channels/NdA_qZp4eQP5orJ1BsRBWA.htmlvideos
Thomas Sowell channel, and a good start would be this one : ua-cam.com/video/6nuVhEdAgOY/v-deo.html
''The Untold Story of Arab Slave Trade Of Africans''
ua-cam.com/video/Ov9GFPmoOPg/v-deo.html
Remember : Knowledge is power.
(and always good for a healthy mindset)
Maybe we can talk again after you took a peek ?
PS, the last one is still going on in several places in Africa : ''Slavery Has Returned to Africa''
ua-cam.com/video/zWOlZeFhUzo/v-deo.html
Title is a bit misleading, for it has never been away.
A conversation about being black in the Netherlands with black people noooo 😱 that’s not right
They are entitled to their opinion, you weren’t there , try to learn and avoid being one of those racist people. Thank uuuuu