beastmen and non-beastmen doesn't even seem like a line, it feels more like a spectrum from blue to purple to red where local cultures would dictate who or what is a beast, beastman or man depending on the severity and quantity of mutations.
it could also be interesting if the Enenimity between Sigmar and Malagor was part of the cause for Sigmarism's anti-witch policy, despite Ulric using witches, and Sigmar is believed to have been a worshiper of Ulric, or at least was accepted by Ulric.
Further, it would be interesting if the conflict between them was as Sigmar united a number of the tribes, Malagor seeks to dissolve this, and the conflict leads to the extermination of several tribes, which makes it infinitely harder for Sigmar to then re-unify them and create the empire.
As someone in UK who used to stay up for a Canadian's streams that would start 3am UK time, midnight is not a concern for me. It's catching streams in my day time that seem to be beyond me. Regarding naming conventions of evil characters. I agree there's a bit too much reliance on the 'Mal' in Warhammer, but I think that whether an uncreative name actually fits or not depends on who is doing the naming. If this is a name the Beastman came up with themselves, with their relatively narrow intellect, then it could make sense. A part of me thinks it would be more fitting if Beastmen actually had no use for names for each other as that could be a product of civilisation of some kind. Then perhaps it's just a simple epithet originally given to this particular Beastman, the 'bad gor' or Malagor, that eventually just loses the original context and becomes the proper name without people thinking that it's a bit dumb.
Imagine if a beastmen and grey see met up with both of their respective sides wanting them dead and they switch places thinking the other got the upper hand on the other only for them to be unexpectedly good at the what the other was trying to do. Like beastmen dud just manhandles the rats, fights the assassin sure he sucks as political nonsense but he is a step above them when it comes to actual getting things done. Meanwhile beastmen suck at politics and so get outmaneuvered as each attempt gets worse to overthrow the new skaven. Idk be kinda funny.
Could a big block of "tzaangors" work as regular gors in the old world? Since the only thing that connects them is their horns? Sure tzaangors have almost bestigor hornlengths but they don't really have great weapons. Either 1h and shield or dual wielding. Hey guess what gors have that too! I guess that would be fine? These are just beakie gors, (beakie gits lol) maybe even just some ducks that wandered into the wrong pond and 'poof' now you are a "beastmen". Maybe painted like mallards?
Hey Sotek, missed the livestream but I had a question about how Malagor feels about Settra and the Tomb Kings? Would he defile the Great Pyramids or leave them be as "basically defiled by Nagash already"?
Nope. Just like humans can mutate into animals through chaos, animals can mutate into humans with chaos. That and also mutated outcasts from civilization will be pushed out to join herds. Plus, of course, some are also just naturally born from female beastmen.
Some beastmen are, some other beastmen are born to a pair of beastmen within the herd. The very first beastmen were born when the polar warpgates collapsed, driving together the men of the north and their herds of goats/other livestock.
It be cool if the add a god/godlike character inspirerad by Echidna or supernaturals eve. The beastmen should not only be offspringes from humans, they should come from all sorts of species. It make the world feel small if all the chaos factions almost online are connected to humans.
I get why they had to do the name change because it's long overdue but the pronunciation makes me always picture it in my head as being spelled malarion instead of erion.... and the way I picture the spelling in my head makes him sound like just another named demon or champion of nurgle. Still struggling with that change.
Morghur and Malagor are old but isn't Ghorros Warhoof too? An Ancient Centigor who killed a unicorn prince starting the eternal war between Wood Elves and Beastmen?
My god, all this talk of the Beastmen shows how inept GW has been in fleshing out their different factions in Fantasy, cause all of these different ideas feel like many amazing avenues for great stories. Also, I sincerely hope the Kingdoms of Ind is Beastmen controlled with only a few human populations who do most of the trading with the other nations. The Beastmen would be mutants tainted by Chaos, but all of whom have found some form of inner peace or nirvana (similar to Buddhism) with their condition and decide to coexist with other races. Granted they're in the ways of beastly beings, but they're not outright malicious. Maybe to add some Hinduism aspect, Ind's Beastmen and humans see their bestial mutations as either gifts or punishments that they gain when their souls reincarnate and are brought back to the mortal world in different forms. Honestly, Warhammer's emphasis on how the Realm of Souls works would fit perfectly with a civilization that emulates real life Hindu samsara, karma, and dharma. And it once again reminds me of how much GW screwed the pooch on the sheer potential Warhammer Fantasy could've had. Hopefully they dont mess it up a second time.
The idea of taking 'embodiment of primordial hate and archaic savagery' and going 'but why not good?' is so cheapening jarring. Can't overstate how much I hate that idea.
Kith means friends/neighbours/countrymen, kin is family, so Malekith means "bad friend" which poor Snorri Whitebeard should have seen coming
Hi, what’s your name
“Evil doer”
Seems trustworthy
For all we know Malekith could have been pronouncing it Male-Kith or boyfriend.
Thankyou Andy and Sotek! 😄
Thanks Loremaster and Andy! These shows are the middle of the night for me but I always look forward to hearing them the next day.
beastmen and non-beastmen doesn't even seem like a line, it feels more like a spectrum from blue to purple to red where local cultures would dictate who or what is a beast, beastman or man depending on the severity and quantity of mutations.
Never able to catch your streams but always enjoy listening to it later. ❤
Super hyped for the Versus stream. If you ever bring back the same characters again, would love a Malekith vs Manfred one.
Malagor absolutely dangles the priest off the steeple and cackles about “Where is your God Now!”
Malagor is Thai word for Green Papaya, I find the unduly amusing.
little did they know beastmen would get dropped from support in AOS. even though they never got any support other than one updated beast lord
The natural evolution of the ‘Can evil races produce heroes’ argument is Drizzt Do’Urden.
Malagor, like most Beastmen, is a GOATED character. Will show myself out.
it could also be interesting if the Enenimity between Sigmar and Malagor was part of the cause for Sigmarism's anti-witch policy, despite Ulric using witches, and Sigmar is believed to have been a worshiper of Ulric, or at least was accepted by Ulric.
Further, it would be interesting if the conflict between them was as Sigmar united a number of the tribes, Malagor seeks to dissolve this, and the conflict leads to the extermination of several tribes, which makes it infinitely harder for Sigmar to then re-unify them and create the empire.
It's unfortunate that they killed the beasts of chaos not long after this stream lol
Yeah, hearing Sotek talk about how GW has plans for Morghur... ufff
As someone in UK who used to stay up for a Canadian's streams that would start 3am UK time, midnight is not a concern for me. It's catching streams in my day time that seem to be beyond me.
Regarding naming conventions of evil characters. I agree there's a bit too much reliance on the 'Mal' in Warhammer, but I think that whether an uncreative name actually fits or not depends on who is doing the naming. If this is a name the Beastman came up with themselves, with their relatively narrow intellect, then it could make sense. A part of me thinks it would be more fitting if Beastmen actually had no use for names for each other as that could be a product of civilisation of some kind. Then perhaps it's just a simple epithet originally given to this particular Beastman, the 'bad gor' or Malagor, that eventually just loses the original context and becomes the proper name without people thinking that it's a bit dumb.
Thank you chaps! You two rock!!
Definitely need more beastmen streams!!!!
Random thought I had watching this, I wonder if a grey seer with impressive enough horns could masquerade as a Brey shaman.
I wonder if a beastmen with a rat-head mutation could masquerade as a grey seer!
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A gor isn't neurotic enough to roleplay as a skaven
Imagine if a beastmen and grey see met up with both of their respective sides wanting them dead and they switch places thinking the other got the upper hand on the other only for them to be unexpectedly good at the what the other was trying to do.
Like beastmen dud just manhandles the rats, fights the assassin sure he sucks as political nonsense but he is a step above them when it comes to actual getting things done. Meanwhile beastmen suck at politics and so get outmaneuvered as each attempt gets worse to overthrow the new skaven. Idk be kinda funny.
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Bad gors, bad gors, bad gors, they're bad.
Could a big block of "tzaangors" work as regular gors in the old world? Since the only thing that connects them is their horns? Sure tzaangors have almost bestigor hornlengths but they don't really have great weapons. Either 1h and shield or dual wielding. Hey guess what gors have that too!
I guess that would be fine? These are just beakie gors, (beakie gits lol) maybe even just some ducks that wandered into the wrong pond and 'poof' now you are a "beastmen". Maybe painted like mallards?
Absolutely, just do whatever you think is cool
Hey Sotek, missed the livestream but I had a question about how Malagor feels about Settra and the Tomb Kings? Would he defile the Great Pyramids or leave them be as "basically defiled by Nagash already"?
I thought all beastmen (except Minotaurs) were mutated at birth HUMANS?
Nope. Just like humans can mutate into animals through chaos, animals can mutate into humans with chaos.
That and also mutated outcasts from civilization will be pushed out to join herds. Plus, of course, some are also just naturally born from female beastmen.
Some beastmen are, some other beastmen are born to a pair of beastmen within the herd. The very first beastmen were born when the polar warpgates collapsed, driving together the men of the north and their herds of goats/other livestock.
Have you ever thought to do unit vs unit lore wise?
Malagor would hate Mirmidia's guts
my head cannon is that malagor is the very first breyshaman
It be cool if the add a god/godlike character inspirerad by Echidna or supernaturals eve. The beastmen should not only be offspringes from humans, they should come from all sorts of species. It make the world feel small if all the chaos factions almost online are connected to humans.
i say the name for the faction Beastmen is diffrent to the term Beastmen cuz one is a our world thing and the other is a warhammer world thing
I get why they had to do the name change because it's long overdue but the pronunciation makes me always picture it in my head as being spelled malarion instead of erion.... and the way I picture the spelling in my head makes him sound like just another named demon or champion of nurgle. Still struggling with that change.
Morghur and Malagor are old but isn't Ghorros Warhoof too? An Ancient Centigor who killed a unicorn prince starting the eternal war between Wood Elves and Beastmen?
Bestigors are the "Cream of the Crop". Wrestling personality impersonated.
Good Evening and Good Night Andy!
Why Settra? Malekith vs Nagash.
My god, all this talk of the Beastmen shows how inept GW has been in fleshing out their different factions in Fantasy, cause all of these different ideas feel like many amazing avenues for great stories.
Also, I sincerely hope the Kingdoms of Ind is Beastmen controlled with only a few human populations who do most of the trading with the other nations. The Beastmen would be mutants tainted by Chaos, but all of whom have found some form of inner peace or nirvana (similar to Buddhism) with their condition and decide to coexist with other races. Granted they're in the ways of beastly beings, but they're not outright malicious.
Maybe to add some Hinduism aspect, Ind's Beastmen and humans see their bestial mutations as either gifts or punishments that they gain when their souls reincarnate and are brought back to the mortal world in different forms.
Honestly, Warhammer's emphasis on how the Realm of Souls works would fit perfectly with a civilization that emulates real life Hindu samsara, karma, and dharma. And it once again reminds me of how much GW screwed the pooch on the sheer potential Warhammer Fantasy could've had. Hopefully they dont mess it up a second time.
Beastman Erebus?
The idea of taking 'embodiment of primordial hate and archaic savagery' and going 'but why not good?' is so cheapening jarring.
Can't overstate how much I hate that idea.
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can't wait to debut my new beastman OC, I Forgor