Russia has demonstrated in this was that it should be considered a secondary power with nuclear weapons rather than a great power, its economy while solid is pathetic compared to its rivals while its military is absolutely shit
"I don't see what good it is to constantly pathologize Russia, as some sort of evil pariah state" says the guy who believes that it is Russian nature to be an autocratic, militaristic, empire and there is no way to alter this.
@@ngotemna8875 Perhaps. But by 1932 the Nazi party was the largest in the Reichstag and their cancerous influence was already everywhere in German society.
Great to see the Brexit / Leave campaigner himself, Sargon of Akkad, making the argument that a sovereign nation like Ukraine shouldn't have the right to pick their own political leadership and should be forced to accept a Russian puppet government because Russia is a politically stronger entity. That's the 'Consistent' Carl Benjamin we've all come to know and love, really keeping with his political prescriptions like always!
It's wild to watch Sargon claim that the USSR and Russia are basically the same thing when talking about agreements between the nation, but then claims "That was under the Bolsheviks!" proudly when the discussion turns to the Holodomor. Actually the whole thing was wild.
He was even trying to say that the tsars reflect the same "inherent national character" that Putin does, but he still tries to make arbitrary exceptions like that one lmao What a fucking r-really unintelligent person
You do know modern day woke people are compared to the Soviet Union so Sargon of Akkad is a worshiper of the Union Jack and even he is against NATO so what does it say about you leftist that bend the knee to NATO whom I remind you is a white patriarchal elitist militaristic society. So a white cis patriotic English man is less militaristic then y'all.
@@Rouge55 I think your brain is starting to rot from too much "anti-woke" content. You would of been cheering on Neville Chamberlain if you were alive back then. He was, after all, a cis patriotic English man against war.
@@cf3714 USA and NATO have racked up more dead bodies then Putin has last time I check all those 2 million plus refugees from mideast and Africa are not Putin's doing is it.
Not to defend Sargon, because I don't think he would be internally consistent on this, but there is definitely a reasonable argument to made that there is a distinction between the contiguity of the legal status of treaties and agreements between a country and other states (i.e Russia inheriting the treaties signed by the Soviets) and that of the ideological contiguity of a country (i.e recognizing that the ideology of the Nazis is not necessarily indicative of why the Germans are now supporting fighting the Russians). I think if you were to ask Sargon about this, he would say that it is his position, however given his seeming advocacy of national essentialism, I doubt he genuinely would hold to that distinction.
The Shire was based on idilic countryside Great Britain/Ireland. That never existed at any point. These idiots misappropriate folklore to fuel their fanatic nationalistic shlte. Total creeps, just like, wew go away.
@Nic-Usor Reported this comment to the authorities. Accusing someone of a crime as heinous and severe as grooming without evidence is slander/libel and illegal. Hope you don't have any personal infos linking this account to your actual identity
@@TayTayMakesBeats It means "I watch Fox News and want to gut education to create ignorant kids who can be more easily exploited by adults." It's projection as usual.
"There is no such thing as a Russian government that is not autrocratic", says the guy who earlier admitted he never payed any attention to Russian history.
I especially like both sides saying that Russia has never not been an empire for a thousand years when it hasn’t existed as a state for that long, let alone an Empire.
Well besides the Novgorod Republic and the very short lived liberal government after the Tsar I must admit I’m drawing a blank. The average Russian on the street doesn’t seem to have a great deal of good fortune on the political leadership front.
@@sidneyavery9201 The point is that while Russia has been a kingdom and before that the area was a collection of independent city states all ruled by the same family (who mostly sent a good amount of time fighting each other) that is not synonymous with autocratic leadership. The princes of the Rus were not autocrats and neither were the old kings. There were also a bunch of interregnal periods.
@@adorabell4253 Russia was a pretty consistent empire for at least 300 years and even before that, what are you talking about..? It's a consistent hegemonic black hole that eats ethnicities and cultures whole. The fact that Russia was an empire for a while, than a union and then a federation changes little in that regard.
Oh, so Russia's problem is that they were never civilised by the East India company. You see what happens when we don't colonise? You see?! Not one Russian sticks their pinky finger out when they drink tea. Disgusting.
Um no the British aren't colonisers. They don't have a history of the guilt that comes with that. Americans are trying to colonise HIS COUNTRY because there's a black dwarf in the new LOTR.
@@DissedRedEngie Yeah, if he treated the muslims through the same sort of standards he's applying for Russia, he'd reach the conclusion that Al-Qaeda good actually, which is fucking hysterical. Alas, we see through the Xi Jingping example that he's only willing to extend his absurd standards to Russia.
"The only time Russia enters into my mind is when American politicians talk about them" - Sargon Is he unaware of the two assasinations done with radioactive poisonous material on British soil by what the MI5 deems to be Russian Intelligence Agencies?
England is marvel avengers. France is jailbreak from emoji movie. Germany is golden arc pre-eclipse griffith. Russia is shaddow the hedgehog from sonic the hedgehog franchise tm.
"So why judge Shadow the Edgehog with the god-given standards from American Disneyworld?! That's like saying short ppl are shit at bball cuz they don't dunk!" -Carlgon, probably
Come on, he's from a country that has had loads of experience with Russia, historically. And as we ALL know, knowledge is absorbed through soil, via the feet.
Sargon of Akkad's whole gimmick is trying to look smart by making others look stupid. Basically UK's Ben Shapiro. In reality he's just a stupid bigot who got "popular" during the whole culture war/ immigration hysteria years ago. Not gonna lie, I was watching his earlier stuff back then and kinda fell for it, but the bs became too obvious and I felt disgusted. Since then I've avoided the rat catcher section of youtube entirely.
Yeah, I fell for his ‘liberal’ schtick. Some on the left had gone a bit feral, and it was annoying. Like the student who was yelled at because he had dreadlocks and was white. That was silly. But that’s all it was, annoying and silly. Choad ‘I wouldn’t even rape you’ Benjamin’s friends say everything about him. Not that he tries to hide it so much anymore.
as a long recovering sargon viewer who greatly enjoyed his constantly being bullied by his fashy friends in 2018, im incredibly glad more bridges appear to be burning
At least they CAN argue with each other... leftists (they don't deserve the term 'liberal' because they are the antithesis of liberal) are happy in an echo chamber, and chastise those within themselves until they silence themselves. Its healthy that conservatives can have these chats. EDIT: (I removed a hyphen... I put it in to emphasise, then decided the word alone was correct)
@@willkirton1178 Tell me you have never seen leftists interacting with each other without telling me you've never seen leftists interacting with each other.
@@henriquepacheco7473 I can't prove a negative. Show me where they have, and I'll adapt my opinion. Show me the Loch Ness monster, and I'll believe in it.
@@willkirton1178 Most of the scientific community is left-leaning. Very few conservatives. Science is all about debating and disagreeing. There you go. You're wrong.
@@tcritt still haven't shown me Nessi with that one... It's an abstract concept, and we also have a lot of "bad science". No pics, no proof (so no; I'm not wrong...)
One of the worst things about listening to Sargon is that he pretty consistently never lets the other person finish their sentence, hence it's actually really difficult to understand what the current conversation is even about.
One of the worst things about listening to Sargon is that you literally can't follow what he's saying because after 10 seconds his voice turns into white noise.
It's literally a debate tactic of his, along with to get lost in the minutae of definitions. At least I THINK it's a tactic, that or he's genuinely that dumb.
So his argument in the beginning is basically that Russia doesn't bare moral responsibility because the country suffers. Interesting argument from a guy that has never given the same leeway to marginalised groups.
“i’m no great expert, and i don’t really care about russian culture or know it’s history - so let me tell you everything about russian culture and history” - carlgon of a-sad
Carl's entire geopolitical philosophy seems to be a collection of Axis Powers Hetalia-tier caricatures of every country's best or worst historical moments, depending on whether he likes the particular place or not.
It's so amazing to me how -- just on a baseline fundamental level -- Sargon is completely wrong and it's so very easy to point out. But since he has absolutely no standards for empiricism he can just move on with little to no thought. This whole conversation should have ended at the fact that Sargon is a moral relativist. Interesting how he doesn't have the same perspective when it comes to Muslim countries.
Sargon has no problem accepting literal nonsense and lies as long as it benefits his position (like the garbage about Bush's agreement with Putin), but when he's confronted with hard data and studies, he'll disregard it because he doesn't already agree with it. His positions are inherently fascistic - 'thing good because it is part of my culture and heritage, thing bad because it is not part of my culture and heritage.'
It's a surreal experience for me listening to this. I used to find Sargon's argumentative style really convincing back when I watched him pre-2017. He has a way of avoiding conceding points by saying things like "I don't care" or "but that's my point", and if you've been regularly consuming his content for long enough it stops sounding disingenuous. You start trusting him, like a older brother who knows better. As weird as it may sound, the way he used bad faith tactics to move the goalposts would actually make me trust him *more*, because he did it in a way that sounded intellectual and nuanced.
Compared to many other reactionaries Soygon isn't much of a grifter, he's just dim. That worked to his advantage for a long time because nobody was more convinced of his insight and intelligence than himself. The smarmy overconfidence with which he approaches everything can be pretty convincing, he plays the role of an intellectual because he genuinely believes himself to be one. Then there's the fact that he at one time had a huge audience, it was easy to think "if he's as dumb and wrong as he appears to be why are so many people listening to him?"
@@TayTayMakesBeats What broke my view of him was when he debated Richard Spencer and looked so horribly unintelligent that it completely changed how I viewed him, especially how, at least at the time, he was was hiding his power level of being a white supremacist himself.
@@seanhubbard6033 it's a joke about how sargon seems to think that to be sovereign a state must have zero constraints or outside influences on it's actions.
This is actually strikingly similar to the way Sargon talks about black people. He's discussing "Russian culture" the same way he discusses "black culture," as if it's something that can't be explained through socioeconomic factors and is somehow immutable, basically saying without saying that it's genetically determined. Like Russian people are just genetically predisposed to supporting autocracy and empire-building. Sargon really does just view other ethnicities as basically being orcs, doesn't he?
Exactly what I was thinking. He’s got some twisted logic - standing up for Russia while simultaneously shitting on the entire populace by basically saying they’re only capable of living under an autocracy. It’s pretty vile.
Let me put it in a more palatable form. If a county was an extreme Christian theocracy then the people growing up in that country will tend to be indoctrinated into that ideology. Even if an outside force installed a democracy and free elections, the culture of the country is set up to just vote away the democracy back to a theocracy. Sargon is arguing that about the culture in Russia, whether it’s true or not, it’s not obviously false. It could simply be that russian culture is resistant to liberal democracy because it is associated with the traditional enemy “the west”
I love that sargon is basically advocating for an iron curtain 2.0 with the use of buffer states as a way to ease tensions. Whenever I think about low tensions, I think of the iron curtain.
LOL only 10 min in and this is too funny - Sargon used to argue SO HARD for 'western liberal democracy', he parroted the 'west is best/superior' rhetoric of people like Douglas Murray SUPER HARD - now he's simping for Russian Imperialism without missing a beat, it's amazing 🤣
Simple change in narrative, 2016 or trump era everything to them was peachy clean and it was the time of the huwite race to be supreme,.but with western society becoming more and more accepting of those gosh darn minorities they have now geared the narrative towards the west being corrupted and must be destroyed so they can build anew
1) Pull a statement out of your arse. 2) Be sure to sound authoritative, sit up straight, put on a British accent. 3) Ignore every rebuttal and concentrate on distracting your opponent with things they didn't say. 4) Getting cornered? Just change your argument to its opposite.
I thought Carl about the Benjamins sounded smug in his own videos. When he talks to others, he has the exact tone of the local pub 'debate champion' who takes for granted he is the smartest person in any room he walks in to and is constantly flabbergasted that no one else seems to realise it.
I love how Carl constantly just exempts his country. They're not colonisers like the US. They have no guilt for racism like America. They're not in NATO or aligned completely with the US with their FoPo.
If you assume that Sargon is a fascist this conversation where he is defending Russia makes complete sense. All the contradictions in his reasoning are just him trying to align it to his north star. Which is fascism because the guy is a fascist thinker.
I get that these are apparently his friends, but how are they not understanding that Sargon is very obviously saying that Russia (China too, really, as they also get mentioned as being unable to handle a better government) is a _savage eastern_ country, only capable of understanding brutality and autocracy, UNLIKE _intellectual western_ countries, which are _obviously_ capable of handling more individual freedoms and choices... He means this is a _fundamental_ feature of these cultures, or races, or however he's arbitrarily classifying it through his racist, xenophobic ideologies; that they are just less intelligent and less capable than western societies. I mean, I don't think he tries very hard to hide his WN views..? I know he was like sleeping with the BNP for a while. Because, to him, Russians aren't white. And neither are the people of Eastern Europe, which is why he shows no sympathy for Ukraine (this is also often a reason that far-right people seem to get fixated on the thing about how _d i s a s t e r o u s_ it was that Ukraine was allowed to _consider_ applying to join NATO after meeting... _their threshold for application..._ but then can't explain the actual problem with it coherently). I'm sure he also doesn't consider most of Central Europe to be either.
Eh I don't think WN/far right really have a strong racial problem with slavs on this day and age. They all just got seduced by anti western russian propaganda and are too deep in it too pull back now, same with tankies, its mostly about supporting the enemy of my enemy. Sargon on the other hand is just stupid and mix a bunch of stuff in his egocentric head, I wouldn't call him WN, just somewhat of a crypto racist in denial.
So according to Sargon the best president Russians had before Putin was Kerensky??? that kind of makes sense if you consider Kerensky was refusing to pull out from an unpopular war that was starving his country and so his own generals decided to side with his detractors.
The first twenty minutes was fucking performance art. Sargon's epistemological circular ramblings were wild. He could have had that conversation by (and also somehow against) himself, in a vacuum. No one: Carl: "things are as they are because they are. They will always be. We cant know because the future isn't wrong or right. But, because they will always be how they are, that's fine actually. It's fine because things are as they are".
I would bet 100 bucks Sargon is in support of the Don't Say Gay bill, in spite of being a hardline free speech supporter. Anyone who takes this clown seriously needs to turn their brain back on.
Holy fuck i can keep commenting on this video forever. "Just admit that you don't respect Russia" after "America never respected Russia". Respecting a country is a bullshit concept it's not like a thing. Also is he acting like America is only aggressive in it's policies towards Russia? It's a great take i hope he forces more people to listen to it so i don't have to suffer alone.
the way he describes russia is the exact same arguments he would use against like, soy boys lol. russia feels threatened and scared, needs a safe space from nato, no one gives russia respect..etc.
Sargon is not this stupid. He or his Lotus News Website is getting that Russia Cash. He is saying things here that are unbelievable he has to be being paid off
For all the talk about values the right wing and conservative grift now is basically saying the opposite of what lefties, liberals or majority normal people support
@@nikkovalidor4890 I have seen leftists supporting Russia and right wingers being against Putin, it's really just about being contrarian. As someone that is right wing i've noticed that many right wing youtubers don't really think a lot about what they believe in, but simply pick the opposite choice of what society likes which is just dumb. Covid and the Russian invasion just convinced me of it.
Sargon seem unable to distinguish between realpolitik and making moral statements and will just keep swapping them around, the talking-to-a-wall experience. Not uncommon, for a high-school level debate. Complete amateur hour by Sargon, no-one should listen to this man.
Sargon is trolling again he's doesn't care about Russia and he doesn't care about Ukraine, he only cares about getting attention by being confrontational. He's the definition of bad faith. You would like to believe that Sargon is sincere but that would be giving into the "just world fallacy" where people can be taken at face value. The older I get the more clear it's becoming to me the extent to which some people who seem serious on the surface are actually simply suffering from the "dark triad" known in psychology.
According to Sargon's logic, Saudi Arabia can't be held to account for their actions either. That's just the way they do things and we have to accept it.
Does no one on the left care about Sitch and Adam? Looked them up but I can't find anyone really responding to how dumb they can be. Oh, specifically about like, crt and trans rights, not this.
Sargon believes in objective standards until it's about muh Russia lol Holy crap he even uses the 'of course they would lash out' argument used to justify riots in the US XD
Three sides. Nobody here has a clue. Lonerbox knows considerably less than he thinks. His summing up of the situation in Ukraine has a veneer of substance, but when you dig a little deeper it's bunk. However, he has that smug persona that people confuse with confidence or knowing what you're talking about nowadays. He's not the most odious of this type, but he's pretty bad. Apparently he's some sort of leftist yet he stans for NATO and calls it a defensive organisation.Jesus.
But why is he simping for Russia though? I'm not up-to-date on my Carl lore, but wouldn't you have expected him to fearmonger about "Russia now and China tomorrow, our society has grown weak and decadent!" or something like that?
Who the fuck knows, he could be funded by the Kremlin. I'm just a regular right-winger, I can tell you right now, fuck Russia, glory to Ukraine, glory to the USA, glory to NATO. We shouldn't appease shithole countries. Right-wingers like Sargon I consider no better than the lowly SJWs.
by his own logic , he cant make a moral claim to anything in life ,he always makes moral claims about literally everything . black people ,3rd world nations lgbt stuff . like this is crazy . and how can even even call xi bad if he belives this ?
Really great to see Sargon come around on the issue of trans rights by respecting Russia’s desire to identify as a “great power.”
Russia has demonstrated in this was that it should be considered a secondary power with nuclear weapons rather than a great power, its economy while solid is pathetic compared to its rivals while its military is absolutely shit
@@Cecilia-ky3uw Russia is more like Pakistan than the USA or China.
hahahaha ded
"I'm not saying Putin is good, I'm saying I'm racist." -- Sargon of Akkad.
"I don't see what good it is to constantly pathologize Russia, as some sort of evil pariah state" says the guy who believes that it is Russian nature to be an autocratic, militaristic, empire and there is no way to alter this.
@@Zeberai well put
But he thinks that's a good thing to be.
Its so close to racial biological essentialism. The difference being that he isn't opposed to Russia because they're predominantly white.
@@hellomynamesninooo6017 I doubt he considers Russians to be white. I'd be surprised if he considers the Irish white
@@eelvis1674 he is also a big fan of Jair Bolsonaro. I mean, not the sharpest tool in the tool box.
"What standard are you using to judge Hitler?" - Sargon in 1942... probably
Carl don’t know the difference between Germany 1932 and Germany 2022
Of course he does. Germany in 1932 is Carl’s idea of paradise.
Conquering neighbouring countries and nations is normal and justified... according to Sargon, probably.
@@zephyr8072 I mean, the Weimar Republic was pretty based for its time
@@ngotemna8875 Perhaps. But by 1932 the Nazi party was the largest in the Reichstag and their cancerous influence was already everywhere in German society.
Great to see the Brexit / Leave campaigner himself, Sargon of Akkad, making the argument that a sovereign nation like Ukraine shouldn't have the right to pick their own political leadership and should be forced to accept a Russian puppet government because Russia is a politically stronger entity. That's the 'Consistent' Carl Benjamin we've all come to know and love, really keeping with his political prescriptions like always!
His ideology is a complete farce. He has this biological essentialist view of culture and everything after that is post hoc justification for it.
The hypocrisy is staggering.
yes! thank you!
It’s shocking hey. He’s shifted away from liberalism after being butthurt that he didn’t get the success he felt he deserved.
It's wild to watch Sargon claim that the USSR and Russia are basically the same thing when talking about agreements between the nation, but then claims "That was under the Bolsheviks!" proudly when the discussion turns to the Holodomor.
Actually the whole thing was wild.
He was even trying to say that the tsars reflect the same "inherent national character" that Putin does, but he still tries to make arbitrary exceptions like that one lmao
What a fucking r-really unintelligent person
You do know modern day woke people are compared to the Soviet Union so Sargon of Akkad is a worshiper of the Union Jack and even he is against NATO so what does it say about you leftist that bend the knee to NATO whom I remind you is a white patriarchal elitist militaristic society. So a white cis patriotic English man is less militaristic then y'all.
@@Rouge55 I think your brain is starting to rot from too much "anti-woke" content. You would of been cheering on Neville Chamberlain if you were alive back then. He was, after all, a cis patriotic English man against war.
@@cf3714 USA and NATO have racked up more dead bodies then Putin has last time I check all those 2 million plus refugees from mideast and Africa are not Putin's doing is it.
Not to defend Sargon, because I don't think he would be internally consistent on this, but there is definitely a reasonable argument to made that there is a distinction between the contiguity of the legal status of treaties and agreements between a country and other states (i.e Russia inheriting the treaties signed by the Soviets) and that of the ideological contiguity of a country (i.e recognizing that the ideology of the Nazis is not necessarily indicative of why the Germans are now supporting fighting the Russians). I think if you were to ask Sargon about this, he would say that it is his position, however given his seeming advocacy of national essentialism, I doubt he genuinely would hold to that distinction.
When he said "England is the shire" images of Victorian factories blackening the skies of slums filled my mind.
Sweatshops full of Hobbits. No first or second breakfast for them. 😉
The Shire was based on idilic countryside Great Britain/Ireland. That never existed at any point. These idiots misappropriate folklore to fuel their fanatic nationalistic shlte. Total creeps, just like, wew go away.
@Nic-Usor What does groomer even mean anymore? Apparently everyone and their dog is a groomer these days.
@Nic-Usor Reported this comment to the authorities.
Accusing someone of a crime as heinous and severe as grooming without evidence is slander/libel and illegal.
Hope you don't have any personal infos linking this account to your actual identity
@@TayTayMakesBeats It means "I watch Fox News and want to gut education to create ignorant kids who can be more easily exploited by adults." It's projection as usual.
"There is no such thing as a Russian government that is not autrocratic", says the guy who earlier admitted he never payed any attention to Russian history.
I don’t think he’s ever paid attention to anything.
I especially like both sides saying that Russia has never not been an empire for a thousand years when it hasn’t existed as a state for that long, let alone an Empire.
Well besides the Novgorod Republic and the very short lived liberal government after the Tsar I must admit I’m drawing a blank. The average Russian on the street doesn’t seem to have a great deal of good fortune on the political leadership front.
@@sidneyavery9201 The point is that while Russia has been a kingdom and before that the area was a collection of independent city states all ruled by the same family (who mostly sent a good amount of time fighting each other) that is not synonymous with autocratic leadership. The princes of the Rus were not autocrats and neither were the old kings. There were also a bunch of interregnal periods.
@@adorabell4253 Russia was a pretty consistent empire for at least 300 years and even before that, what are you talking about..? It's a consistent hegemonic black hole that eats ethnicities and cultures whole.
The fact that Russia was an empire for a while, than a union and then a federation changes little in that regard.
"You can't judge Russia because i would call America gods promised land" - gargledon of akkadumbass
"I will only be happy when the term "scientist" is synonymous in disdain as the word "pedophile" - Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad)
Is that an actual quote? Cuz that's a very odd goal to have in life xD
"It depends on the hypothesis" doesn't quite have the same creepy ring as "it depends on the child".
Seeing how Carl thinks he's a scientist and he once said "it depends on the child" with regards to intimate relations, I can see why he'd like that.
Oh, so Russia's problem is that they were never civilised by the East India company. You see what happens when we don't colonise? You see?! Not one Russian sticks their pinky finger out when they drink tea. Disgusting.
Um no the British aren't colonisers. They don't have a history of the guilt that comes with that. Americans are trying to colonise HIS COUNTRY because there's a black dwarf in the new LOTR.
@@taranullius9221 you almost had me in that first half
carl really thinks to be truly sovereign, ukraine should be neutral in the war for their own independence 😭😭😭😭
"I don't care about Russia" And that's the point where you should stop listening to Sargon when he's talking about Russia.
44 minutes in, and he's just completely dismantled his own frame work for why muslims are bad. "It's just their nature bruv"
@@DissedRedEngie Maybe you should read the Qu'ran.
@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG and you should read the bible.
@@DissedRedEngie Yeah, if he treated the muslims through the same sort of standards he's applying for Russia, he'd reach the conclusion that Al-Qaeda good actually, which is fucking hysterical. Alas, we see through the Xi Jingping example that he's only willing to extend his absurd standards to Russia.
"Man who thinks cultural/moral relativism is bad argues for cultural/moral relativism for Russia for 60+ minutes"
"The only time Russia enters into my mind is when American politicians talk about them" - Sargon
Is he unaware of the two assasinations done with radioactive poisonous material on British soil by what the MI5 deems to be Russian Intelligence Agencies?
England is marvel avengers. France is jailbreak from emoji movie. Germany is golden arc pre-eclipse griffith. Russia is shaddow the hedgehog from sonic the hedgehog franchise tm.
"So why judge Shadow the Edgehog with the god-given standards from American Disneyworld?! That's like saying short ppl are shit at bball cuz they don't dunk!"
-Carlgon, probably
@Nic-Usor Literal fascist.
Still more coherent than any of Sargon's analogies
"I know more about this situation than you think" - Compared to what, Carl? A goldfish? A housefly? An amoeba?
Come on, he's from a country that has had loads of experience with Russia, historically. And as we ALL know, knowledge is absorbed through soil, via the feet.
Sargon of Akkad's whole gimmick is trying to look smart by making others look stupid. Basically UK's Ben Shapiro. In reality he's just a stupid bigot who got "popular" during the whole culture war/ immigration hysteria years ago. Not gonna lie, I was watching his earlier stuff back then and kinda fell for it, but the bs became too obvious and I felt disgusted. Since then I've avoided the rat catcher section of youtube entirely.
You must be quite the racist
I was there too dawg. It's always good seeing other escapee's
Yeah, I fell for his ‘liberal’ schtick. Some on the left had gone a bit feral, and it was annoying. Like the student who was yelled at because he had dreadlocks and was white. That was silly. But that’s all it was, annoying and silly. Choad ‘I wouldn’t even rape you’ Benjamin’s friends say everything about him. Not that he tries to hide it so much anymore.
as a long recovering sargon viewer who greatly enjoyed his constantly being bullied by his fashy friends in 2018, im incredibly glad more bridges appear to be burning
I love it when conservatives argue with eachother. All the sudden they recognize disingenuous re-framing, nonsequitors, and gaslighting.
At least they CAN argue with each other... leftists (they don't deserve the term 'liberal' because they are the antithesis of liberal) are happy in an echo chamber, and chastise those within themselves until they silence themselves. Its healthy that conservatives can have these chats.
EDIT: (I removed a hyphen... I put it in to emphasise, then decided the word alone was correct)
@@willkirton1178 Tell me you have never seen leftists interacting with each other without telling me you've never seen leftists interacting with each other.
@@henriquepacheco7473 I can't prove a negative.
Show me where they have, and I'll adapt my opinion. Show me the Loch Ness monster, and I'll believe in it.
@@willkirton1178 Most of the scientific community is left-leaning. Very few conservatives. Science is all about debating and disagreeing. There you go. You're wrong.
@@tcritt still haven't shown me Nessi with that one... It's an abstract concept, and we also have a lot of "bad science".
No pics, no proof (so no; I'm not wrong...)
One of the worst things about listening to Sargon is that he pretty consistently never lets the other person finish their sentence, hence it's actually really difficult to understand what the current conversation is even about.
One of the worst things about listening to Sargon is that you literally can't follow what he's saying because after 10 seconds his voice turns into white noise.
It's literally a debate tactic of his, along with to get lost in the minutae of definitions. At least I THINK it's a tactic, that or he's genuinely that dumb.
So his argument in the beginning is basically that Russia doesn't bare moral responsibility because the country suffers. Interesting argument from a guy that has never given the same leeway to marginalised groups.
“i’m no great expert, and i don’t really care about russian culture or know it’s history - so let me tell you everything about russian culture and history” - carlgon of a-sad
Carl's entire geopolitical philosophy seems to be a collection of Axis Powers Hetalia-tier caricatures of every country's best or worst historical moments, depending on whether he likes the particular place or not.
It's so amazing to me how -- just on a baseline fundamental level -- Sargon is completely wrong and it's so very easy to point out. But since he has absolutely no standards for empiricism he can just move on with little to no thought. This whole conversation should have ended at the fact that Sargon is a moral relativist. Interesting how he doesn't have the same perspective when it comes to Muslim countries.
No way. I just wrote something like this. Glad someone else sees this. In 2015/16 he was constantly accusing the left of this with regards to Islam.
Sargon has no problem accepting literal nonsense and lies as long as it benefits his position (like the garbage about Bush's agreement with Putin), but when he's confronted with hard data and studies, he'll disregard it because he doesn't already agree with it. His positions are inherently fascistic - 'thing good because it is part of my culture and heritage, thing bad because it is not part of my culture and heritage.'
Spent all his time being smugly wrong, so he was the perfect candidate for UKIP
“They said no NATO bases in east Germany!”
Which they hold up still to this day
It's a surreal experience for me listening to this. I used to find Sargon's argumentative style really convincing back when I watched him pre-2017. He has a way of avoiding conceding points by saying things like "I don't care" or "but that's my point", and if you've been regularly consuming his content for long enough it stops sounding disingenuous. You start trusting him, like a older brother who knows better. As weird as it may sound, the way he used bad faith tactics to move the goalposts would actually make me trust him *more*, because he did it in a way that sounded intellectual and nuanced.
Compared to many other reactionaries Soygon isn't much of a grifter, he's just dim. That worked to his advantage for a long time because nobody was more convinced of his insight and intelligence than himself. The smarmy overconfidence with which he approaches everything can be pretty convincing, he plays the role of an intellectual because he genuinely believes himself to be one. Then there's the fact that he at one time had a huge audience, it was easy to think "if he's as dumb and wrong as he appears to be why are so many people listening to him?"
yeah he’s not a grifter he’s a true believer for sure. just a nasty fascist who can’t read
Glad you got the brainworms removed.
I dunno how the alt-right grew so rapidly with what they were lead by
@@TayTayMakesBeats What broke my view of him was when he debated Richard Spencer and looked so horribly unintelligent that it completely changed how I viewed him, especially how, at least at the time, he was was hiding his power level of being a white supremacist himself.
If a state was truly sovereign, it would be able to levitate into the air and spin around into a ball of homogeneous mass
yes, much like the nation of Sokovia
Is this an astrophysics joke
@@seanhubbard6033 it's a joke about how sargon seems to think that to be sovereign a state must have zero constraints or outside influences on it's actions.
Sargon unintentionally agreeing with a black woman: Professor Flowers
This is actually strikingly similar to the way Sargon talks about black people. He's discussing "Russian culture" the same way he discusses "black culture," as if it's something that can't be explained through socioeconomic factors and is somehow immutable, basically saying without saying that it's genetically determined. Like Russian people are just genetically predisposed to supporting autocracy and empire-building. Sargon really does just view other ethnicities as basically being orcs, doesn't he?
Exactly what I was thinking. He’s got some twisted logic - standing up for Russia while simultaneously shitting on the entire populace by basically saying they’re only capable of living under an autocracy. It’s pretty vile.
God's bountiful country and a nation of suffering is pure Peterson mimicry. Archetypes man. Because...Aristotelean Epics or something.
Oh he rolled out Athens because of course he did.
yep, “england is the shire” is so so incredibly revealing - especially when you know there’s no chance he read the books.
Let me put it in a more palatable form.
If a county was an extreme Christian theocracy then the people growing up in that country will tend to be indoctrinated into that ideology. Even if an outside force installed a democracy and free elections, the culture of the country is set up to just vote away the democracy back to a theocracy.
Sargon is arguing that about the culture in Russia, whether it’s true or not, it’s not obviously false. It could simply be that russian culture is resistant to liberal democracy because it is associated with the traditional enemy “the west”
I love that sargon is basically advocating for an iron curtain 2.0 with the use of buffer states as a way to ease tensions. Whenever I think about low tensions, I think of the iron curtain.
LOL only 10 min in and this is too funny - Sargon used to argue SO HARD for 'western liberal democracy', he parroted the 'west is best/superior' rhetoric of people like Douglas Murray SUPER HARD - now he's simping for Russian Imperialism without missing a beat, it's amazing 🤣
Simple change in narrative, 2016 or trump era everything to them was peachy clean and it was the time of the huwite race to be supreme,.but with western society becoming more and more accepting of those gosh darn minorities they have now geared the narrative towards the west being corrupted and must be destroyed so they can build anew
It always amuses me how often Scrag-Un gats salty says "I don't care", when someone points out a flaw in his argument/PoV/general demeanor
Honestly, saying "I don't care" regarding Russia is a luxury we over here in Europe simply don't have. "I don't care" is a sign of clueless privilgue.
1) Pull a statement out of your arse.
2) Be sure to sound authoritative, sit up straight, put on a British accent.
3) Ignore every rebuttal and concentrate on distracting your opponent with things they didn't say.
4) Getting cornered? Just change your argument to its opposite.
I think Tsargon of Akkad is trying to win some drunken bet.
"Tsargon or Akkad". Lol.
Being this stupid, Im genuinely surprised Carl's not in the cabinet.
When you're so far right you accidentally become a tankie.
I caught this live and it's still magical to hear the slow-mo nothingness that is Sadgon of Applebees' talking abstractly.
Have we ever tried respecting Muslim grooming gangs?
Carl of Tesco's never really recovered after he lost his Waifu Sh0eonheaf
“I’m trying to say Putin is Russian” Tsargon big brain with this intellectual revelation
I think Sargons only knowledge of Russia is the "in Soviet Russia" memes
Conservatives have truly mastered the art of talking for 3 hours about a topic they openly admit they havent researched
14:20
To be fair, Sargon isn’t even at the Dunning-Kruger effect stage yet. That would require Sargon to know things
"That's something Putin said." Because Putin is a beacon of honesty /s
"You see, love is just a form of coercion so sex is always rape" - Sargon of Akkad i guess
based anti-rape volcel advocate sargon
I thought Carl about the Benjamins sounded smug in his own videos. When he talks to others, he has the exact tone of the local pub 'debate champion' who takes for granted he is the smartest person in any room he walks in to and is constantly flabbergasted that no one else seems to realise it.
😂😂
"Sargon has opinions" I'm sure he does
I love how Carl constantly just exempts his country. They're not colonisers like the US. They have no guilt for racism like America. They're not in NATO or aligned completely with the US with their FoPo.
If you assume that Sargon is a fascist this conversation where he is defending Russia makes complete sense. All the contradictions in his reasoning are just him trying to align it to his north star. Which is fascism because the guy is a fascist thinker.
How to be a baffling human being by Mr.Shire
I get that these are apparently his friends, but how are they not understanding that Sargon is very obviously saying that Russia (China too, really, as they also get mentioned as being unable to handle a better government) is a _savage eastern_ country, only capable of understanding brutality and autocracy, UNLIKE _intellectual western_ countries, which are _obviously_ capable of handling more individual freedoms and choices...
He means this is a _fundamental_ feature of these cultures, or races, or however he's arbitrarily classifying it through his racist, xenophobic ideologies; that they are just less intelligent and less capable than western societies.
I mean, I don't think he tries very hard to hide his WN views..? I know he was like sleeping with the BNP for a while.
Because, to him, Russians aren't white. And neither are the people of Eastern Europe, which is why he shows no sympathy for Ukraine (this is also often a reason that far-right people seem to get fixated on the thing about how _d i s a s t e r o u s_ it was that Ukraine was allowed to _consider_ applying to join NATO after meeting... _their threshold for application..._ but then can't explain the actual problem with it coherently). I'm sure he also doesn't consider most of Central Europe to be either.
Yep, I noticed the same thing. Nor does he care about the viewpoint of the other European countries.
Eh I don't think WN/far right really have a strong racial problem with slavs on this day and age. They all just got seduced by anti western russian propaganda and are too deep in it too pull back now, same with tankies, its mostly about supporting the enemy of my enemy. Sargon on the other hand is just stupid and mix a bunch of stuff in his egocentric head, I wouldn't call him WN, just somewhat of a crypto racist in denial.
Yeah, his determinism is truly fucked.
The ultimate way to own Carl is to simply start talking in an American accent to confuse him.
"This is something Putin said" Oh, yeah, such a reliable source XD
So according to Sargon the best president Russians had before Putin was Kerensky??? that kind of makes sense if you consider Kerensky was refusing to pull out from an unpopular war that was starving his country and so his own generals decided to side with his detractors.
I read "Hasan of Akkad" and got excited :(
He doesn’t know anything, so he tells us how EVERYTHING works.
Sargon is basically just David Brent, isn't he?
Alan Partridge
david brent is a competent office manager, salesman, and guitarist. what's carl done?
@@sidarthur8706 "Oh yeah? He's thrown a copper kettle over a pub. What have you done?"
@@-xirx- How dare you sully the name of Alan Partridge.
david brent is a mediocre middleman, carl is a fascist lunatic. so not really
'I am not interested in defining imperialism as long as it goes against my strawman. Also I will speak over you all the time'
Watching a reaction to a reaction to a debate, what a time to be alive.
The first twenty minutes was fucking performance art. Sargon's epistemological circular ramblings were wild. He could have had that conversation by (and also somehow against) himself, in a vacuum.
No one:
Carl: "things are as they are because they are. They will always be. We cant know because the future isn't wrong or right. But, because they will always be how they are, that's fine actually. It's fine because things are as they are".
1:55:10 that is old antisemitism. Also what Crowder called Sam Seder so you can guess who the guy watches regularly.
I want to hear him play cultural relativism when talikng about jihadists. Lol.
Sargon is a Quisling
In normal convos Carl agrees that western imperialism is actually spreading good things in the world lol
Mr Brexit says "Its imperialism ... who carries about the local population"
In the words of Bill Hicks - "you need a war to make you feel good about yourselves? Maybe try sit-ups"
I’m only at 40 minutes and I’m loving that Choad of Choad Hall is salty because he’s been called on his hypocritical moral relativism. Such fun!
I would bet 100 bucks Sargon is in support of the Don't Say Gay bill, in spite of being a hardline free speech supporter. Anyone who takes this clown seriously needs to turn their brain back on.
I only found you long after I became informed about Ukraine. I am so glad you were always fighting the good fight.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but there is actually a history of democracy in Russia, anybody remember the Republic of Novgorod?
Holy fuck i can keep commenting on this video forever. "Just admit that you don't respect Russia" after "America never respected Russia". Respecting a country is a bullshit concept it's not like a thing. Also is he acting like America is only aggressive in it's policies towards Russia? It's a great take i hope he forces more people to listen to it so i don't have to suffer alone.
the way he describes russia is the exact same arguments he would use against like, soy boys lol. russia feels threatened and scared, needs a safe space from nato, no one gives russia respect..etc.
I don't even like Adam or sitch but Sargon makes them make look like geniuses
Sargon is not this stupid. He or his Lotus News Website is getting that Russia Cash. He is saying things here that are unbelievable he has to be being paid off
Comrade Carl defending Russia upon the grounds of their material conditions being unfair.
Is Sargon forced to defend Putin because Trump liked him and Biden doesn't?
For all the talk about values the right wing and conservative grift now is basically saying the opposite of what lefties, liberals or majority normal people support
@@nikkovalidor4890 I have seen leftists supporting Russia and right wingers being against Putin, it's really just about being contrarian.
As someone that is right wing i've noticed that many right wing youtubers don't really think a lot about what they believe in, but simply pick the opposite choice of what society likes which is just dumb. Covid and the Russian invasion just convinced me of it.
Sargon seem unable to distinguish between realpolitik and making moral statements and will just keep swapping them around, the talking-to-a-wall experience. Not uncommon, for a high-school level debate. Complete amateur hour by Sargon, no-one should listen to this man.
Sargon is trolling again he's doesn't care about Russia and he doesn't care about Ukraine, he only cares about getting attention by being confrontational. He's the definition of bad faith. You would like to believe that Sargon is sincere but that would be giving into the "just world fallacy" where people can be taken at face value. The older I get the more clear it's becoming to me the extent to which some people who seem serious on the surface are actually simply suffering from the "dark triad" known in psychology.
LonerBox has clearly been watching too many debates recently with all of these times he's just about to call Carl a slur
ты меня уважаешь? ты скажи, ты меня уважаешь?
According to Sargon's logic, Saudi Arabia can't be held to account for their actions either. That's just the way they do things and we have to accept it.
This is the guy who hated moral and cultural relativism when it came to Muslim countries
Does no one on the left care about Sitch and Adam? Looked them up but I can't find anyone really responding to how dumb they can be. Oh, specifically about like, crt and trans rights, not this.
not big enough to warrant any real attention tbh, they mustly just have their streams where they watch vaush and make fun of socialism and thats it
That would require people to know who Stitch and Adam are in the first place.
Oh boy. Engerlund
I'm just... I'm so sorry. Carlgon is from my home town and I really apologise. It's an absolute shit hole, if that's any consolation.
@@_Tree_of_Life_ ha! I was born there. I too apologise for his existence. Not everyone from Swindon is like that, I promise.
Sargon believes in objective standards until it's about muh Russia lol
Holy crap he even uses the 'of course they would lash out' argument used to justify riots in the US XD
Listening to two sides argue about Russian history and character while knowing nothing about both is frustrating.
Three sides. Nobody here has a clue. Lonerbox knows considerably less than he thinks. His summing up of the situation in Ukraine has a veneer of substance, but when you dig a little deeper it's bunk. However, he has that smug persona that people confuse with confidence or knowing what you're talking about nowadays. He's not the most odious of this type, but he's pretty bad. Apparently he's some sort of leftist yet he stans for NATO and calls it a defensive organisation.Jesus.
I knew sargon was dumb. I didn't think that his understanding of foreign policy amounted to watching Hetalia though lol.
It's so brave of Sargon to essentialize a people he don't know and said he doesn't care about.
Sargon is a dribbling cretin's idea of a clever person. His word-salad honestly gives me migranes.
Oh shit LonerBox plays classic wow? Based
But why is he simping for Russia though? I'm not up-to-date on my Carl lore, but wouldn't you have expected him to fearmonger about "Russia now and China tomorrow, our society has grown weak and decadent!" or something like that?
Who the fuck knows, he could be funded by the Kremlin.
I'm just a regular right-winger, I can tell you right now, fuck Russia, glory to Ukraine, glory to the USA, glory to NATO. We shouldn't appease shithole countries.
Right-wingers like Sargon I consider no better than the lowly SJWs.
'I live in Europe - I know better. You aren't used to dealing with Russia - we are.' What a bad argument
If you're old enough: "no rehshpect" - what was the name of the shark? Lol!
I immediately thought of Rodney Dangerfield. But then I'm even older.
Russia existed long before Putin.
Straight up admitting he essentializes by nation and some sort of pseudo-ethnicity. Jesus.
Sauron Of Arsecancer
by his own logic , he cant make a moral claim to anything in life ,he always makes moral claims about literally everything . black people ,3rd world nations lgbt stuff . like this is crazy . and how can even even call xi bad if he belives this ?
Where did Lonerbox get this Monty Python reboot clip? I hope it's just a working copy before Netfilx releases it.
Snoregon of Borekad is back at it again, eh?