3.23.1 CIG desperate for cash? - Kraken emails
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- 3.23.1a CIG desperate for cash? - Kraken emails
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I think this email is legit, other people left comments they received similar emails from CIG.
However, this isn't even the point of this video. The point is:
-CIG has now more than 1200 employees and this together with rent, server costs, PCs, materials etc, costs a lot of money.
-CIG is selling the family silver, F8C, F7C Mk2, F7A Mk2 and still was behind in funding in 2023 compared to 2022 when we look at inflation.
-I want Star Citizen to succeed, to become a fun, interesting and successful game
-However, Chris has very little to show for after 11.5 years. We have a laggy, desync heavy, boring tech demo with missing mechanics and missing basics
-CIG hasn't even finished the flight model and ship combat in year 12.
-Chris still prioritizes eye candy, fluff, time sinks and cool cinematic in year 12.
-Having a plan, having a concept, thinking things through, thinking in advance play no role for Chris.
-Chris has no interest in finishing the basics, basic mechanics and having some very rudimentary very basic physics in Star Citizen
-I have no hope left for Star Citizen as long as Chris is making the decisions.
@@Camural its getting close to falling over, if they are this desperate now, it means they have less banked than needed to complete, and if they don't pull something miraculous out their collective arses, it's not going to be good for our game.. still, I'm pretty sure CR, and friends, will still make bank, after selling off all the assets.
@@Camural I agree except for the assumption that Chris has control. I think CIG pushed him out.
That's the reason why Chris got dumped from the last 3 games he was running or going to head
"We want to offer these directly to backers such as yourself who have expressed a strong interest in pledging for these ships"
TRANSLATE:
"You guys seem to have a lot of cash and are easily manipulated into spending even more so we will continue to exploit you further"
@erikw3673 but hurry up! This offer will on be available for 30 days!
(of course warbond only = fresh money).
Most people, even whales, can't come up with that kind of cash in 30 days without prior notice. This is wild.
Digital Asset Scarcity.. CiG, tell me you are selling NFT's without telling me you are selling NFT's.
We have limited ship stock available…. So they think we are that stupid? I really hope no idiots fall for this…
I never got an email about a Kraken... I'm concierge and they know I'm willing to spend from time to time.
Email source?
Regardless Camural's overall concern of CIG's cash flow requirements is correct, and it is some serious money
Limited stock of digital ships :D
@MrStrider28 CIG's marketing is losing it.
You are selling a jpeg, not something you have to build CIG.
At least they are not selling "shiny" version of their Pokemon, sorry ships. For the moment.
@@sebc8938 oh so you dont know about BIS resale market? lol :p
Whenever I see "Limited Stock" during the sales, I can't help but, shake my head. Just wait until the next sale ... 100% guaranteed they will have 'found' more stock to sell but, it will once again be "limited" of course.
@@Camuralthey doing this shit since years.
Chris is the Nigerian Prince of scamming people out of money. 😂
I mean He is making profit to keep the company running, Server meshing has taken a huge toll on the company with the first iteration failing. So please stop using the term scam it's just not true. Development delays. If they can pull off server meshing it will change the industry for the better.
@@zyloctalall well and good but they constantly over promise and under deliver, then have to audacity to sell new ships, nerf them, nerf them again rinse repeat. Yes this game has ambitions to do something bigger than ever before but the execution is exceptionally poor.
@@zyloctal
Keep telling yourself that
@@zyloctalsurely this is the thing that puts it as the gold standard 💀
Hell of a reputation he's getting. I'd be ashamed as a mother f.
I wonder what all the staff is doing, just scratching their butt from day to next? I mean 1200 employees is 9000 work hours per day? That would be something like 4,5 years of one person's work, in one day. Yet nothing is really happening.
Indecision, mismanagement, and chaos in the C-Suite leads to paralysis below.
@@rolinthor Plus stories like CR needing to personally giving the ok for suit designs, prints on virtual t-shirts and such. Time wasters galore
That's what happens when you are accountable to... no one.
CIG has extremely low productivity even compared to indy games out there, while the quality of what gets shoved out on to live is abyssmal even for an early access title, and inexcusable for a well funded long established studio. If Chris really does insist on signing off on everything and constantly contradict himself with rework then it would make sense that CIG's DNA would be to move only fast enough that you don't get fired because nothing you do is likely to ever make it to live, and even if it does the bar for quality is so low that you can have beards sticking through helmets and cumbersome physicalized blurry UI elements that would get a game design student flunked.
Common in work environments(especially tech ones imo from experience 😅). Management doesn't know what tf is going on.
Oh sweet Jesus! That email is shockingly desperate. Im almost worried.
Don't worry, they probably are only looking to sell their very limited stock of 2-3 krakens because they are very very limited and need to be build by hand. xD
@@tycondero1647 Hey, some parts of the supply chain are just recovering from the lockdowns and those artisinal pixels crafted by bearded virgins are not cheap.
the email is likely fake, no source to go on record to back it up.
with that said
I agree with Camural's concern that CIG needs money to feed the development machine currently underway, in addition to the buildings, servers, etc. and I think this amounts to 8 -10 million per month (everything). This is some serious cash flow
@@MotherNature26 Why would it be fake or faked? Cig have been doing these for years
@@Memeguppy hey, I know the location of a gold deposit that I think you'd like to buy. I just have the time to mine it myself. I'll sell it to you for $19,999.
The end isn't near, but I think we might be seeing the beginning of the end.
The money will not flow forever
Infinite growth cannot exist in our world of limited resources
I think the end point is 1Q 2028 for multiple reasons. One is that they have a big 130 million or so redemption owed to external investors then. From their financial filings we know they don't have cash on hand so the Roberts family stands a good chance of losing control of the project then. Alternately they would need to cut staffing by 35% today to save that much in time. Second, the engine that started as one of the best looking games ever is getting old and the graphics on the live server are looking very dated. The cope now is that it's still one of the best looking MMOs , but if they delay a few more years it will be 'retro'.
The original kickstarter was supposed to be just that. We gave him MORE than enough money years ago for a completed game. He simply didn’t want to let it go. When big money comes your way, all of a sudden there is a “vote” for stretch goals, and ulterior motives like funding a fancy gaming studio, developing new technology, etc. If we don’t keep giving them money, the project ends abruptly. I GUARANTEE you had the backers at the time known where Roberts was leading us, NO ONE would have signed on to the perpetual donation of money to his “cause”.
@@saleseng These days there's a split between people who think that this is an intentional scam, and those that think it's a accidental. Basically nobody thinks that things are well run or that CIG is executing well, since you have to be delusional to overlook their 8 consecutive years of saying that a second star system is coming 'next year' then failing to deliver as reasonable, so it's down to whether they are malicious or incompetent. I'm in the group that thinks this is incompetence that has got us here, but I can understand why some lean towards malice. It's also possible that it started as incompetence then became malice when they realized that if they ever did deliver a complete game they were out of a job.
Game is dead
Year 12 once again promised the moon but instead delivered beards that clip through our helmets, a minimap, a busted flight model, more desynchs and more time sinks. Can you believe that this costs backers 300k USD per day for low tempo, low quality throughput? The only things that come quickly are fixes to the store and gaslighting from 'it's early days for this and we SOMETIMES miss' Hucksterby.
The issue is mostly about management and absence of a clear goal. A lot of developed things have never been delivred. Most things delivered stay eternally in Tier 0 or are redone several times. And most important, there is no fun gameplay with a real sense of progression. Even most advanced gameplays like mining and salvaging are dull because the only goal is money. Just linking some access or buying rights or renting to reputation would be more fun ! This tech already exist for the milllion dollar bar but no. Complex missions are all totally static and are demos (like the yacht ship attack, the ghost station, the satellite mission, the 4 reclaimers missions, ...).
@@sebc8938 After Chris had his wing commander movie bomb, he gave an interview where he said he wished he had someone who could have sat him down and forced him to focus on doing a few things well rather than getting distracted. The absolutely most charitable interpretation of what's going on with star citizen is that Chris is incapable of focusing and opted not to learn from his own past by putting a CEO in charge of him so now we are all paying for it. The less charitable interpretations are that he's a sociopath who doesn't feel he actually owes the backers what he pitched and doesn't really care that he's a decade late on that SQ42 beta, or 8 years late on that second solar system.
Next time when cig needs money, they will put F8A on sale.
They already sold two of 'special reward ships' that weren't supposed to be sold this year, and one of those was outright power creeping a day 1 ship before the game has even launched. Normally companies don't power-creep until they are past their peak of popularity as every time you power creep a niche you get a bump of cash from the people who pony up, but you also alienate a percentage of that group who hit their limit. That CIG is already resorting to fairly blatant power creep shows some urgency on their part to raise cash fast.
I had exactly the same thought... 😅
I think the first sign of a cash crunch was when they pulled the rug out from under the Concierge members who had spent $10,000 and earned the F8 for their contributions by making the F8 available to purchase for all backers; why else would they do that unless they needed an infusion of quick cash that they knew the sale of the over hyped F8 would generate. Factor in more frequent sales, more frequent freeflys, a declining number of new accounts, layoffs at CIG and Sandi pandering to the Chinese audience/market at the Shanghai Bar Citizen asking if they want to see SQ42 on console or PC and you might be forgiven for thinking they might be struggling financially. Either way, their current funding model won't sustain the project indefinitely. They will have to come up with something else to keep SC development going or funnel the revenue from the sale of SQ42 back into SC development, if SC is to survive in the longer term.
Oh boy... well I guess that's what happens when you promise 4.0 by summer and only deliver one patch this year that's been split up into 2 parts.
Also the kraken is one of those ships that's really a terrible idea to buy because there's a realistic chance for many to die of old age before this thing gets made.
@justalex4214 According to Chris' 2016 Citizencon talk, we were suppose to get 4.0 right after 3.3 in the beginning of 2018 with
"multiple new star systems, I am not gonna say how many yet"
Also: BMM in 3.3 Autumn 2017. Here is CIG's official video:
Full CitizenCon 2016 Presentation, Oct 10, 2016 ua-cam.com/video/XuDj5v81Nd0/v-deo.html
@@Camural That's why I don't buy concepts anymore and focus only on the ships I can play with
sorry they didn't even deliver one patch. The now called patch 3.24 was patch 3.23 in the beginning. They just renamed it 🤡
@@derjadebaum9159 Since 3.24 or 3.23.2 or whatever you wanna call it is in open ptu now I'm simply not splitting hairs whether it's officially released or not at this moment, but simply count it as the one patch we got this year.
Even if well done, a physic simulation would not work correctly at 5 fps. I think very talented devs have tweaked it for being able to give the appearance of working most of the time at this very low FPS rate ... But they are not magicians. In particular, objects have the time to move a lot between each colission computation thus a lot of rebund and entering each other.
This is what happens when you try make two games with money raised to make one.. 12 years you can't even create a guild.
I was in on day 1 for the single player game and even I think it's absurd how they keep shortchanging the PU to dump more money down the SQ42 rathole.
@@RN1441 Yes SQ42 was supposed to be a SC campaign and not a full-fledged game with a AAA budget sold separately. Players indirectly fund SQ42 by purchasing STAR CITIZEN ships without having acces at this game
@@RN1441 Many people actually don't know or seem to have forgotten this. SQ42 is the only title that MUST be made. If Roberts fails to produce that in a working state there are multiple countries waiting to destroy his life. Likely in the form of asset forfeiture. SQ42 was the only thing he ever actually promised. SC does not have that liability baked in. He can ultimately fail with SC and the worst that happens is he becomes a famous failure...again. SQ42 comes with legal liability that can and will destroy him and the other decision making executives if he doesn't get it finished and out the door at some point.
@@romain13100 You have that entirely backwards. Valid point just switch the game titles and you'd be close to on point. SC was the side project with no strings attached. SQ42 was the original title that came with promises made and thus legal liabilities. SQ42 was the reason for the original crowd funding. SC was tacked on and the reason why Roberts is constantly selling ships to fund. SQ42 was already long paid for before he lost control of scope.
@@machinech183 Look, ua-cam.com/video/1M995Mqr67E/v-deo.html it's still STAR CITIZEN that was put forward, it says that SQ42 is the single player campaign, besides if that was the case, we would keep the name SQ42 : )
I think CIGs accountants, marketers, and lawyers took the reins from CR, pushing for a perpetual alpha. The money was just too good to change.
Its like they would rather go out of business than try to release a good game, they will stick to their convictions even if it kills the game. GG the whole thing is cooked.
Until "mastermode" is gone I really don't care what happens to the game.
Though I've had backers in ingame chat recently express they don't have much issue with MM and kinda like it, with how much vocal backlash there was on Spectrum and other media like UA-cam, it does seem like CIG really stepped in it with MasterModes. xD
@@avon_c6199 They "stepped in it" long before that. MM is simply a poorly implemented T0 replacement for the horrible no good jankfest of an excuse for a flight model we had prior. Letting it get that bad, and leaving it bad for so long that people got used to it was the main source of the griping.
@@ThomasD66 I wonder if CIG will try to ride it out, like they seemed to have done with other heated topics before, and wait for the MM discussion to subside and bank on players to just getting used to it.
@@ThomasD66 exactly , if master modes would have come after that original "vtol" hiccup years ago, people wouldve ate it right up even then. although the speeds could come up a bit more for nav flight
Wiseguy texting us that he got some TVs that fell off the back of a truck. Act fast!
"On occasion we do have a limited ship stock become available" part is just insane to me. Gamers really are suckers. They are selling DIGITAL goods. There is no stock limitations. It's whatever they want it to be. It's so pathetic that they can send emails like that and some, not all ofcourse but some people will be like "wow amazing more stock". I mean this is some mad stuff. If someone 20 years ago would have told me this is what game industry would become I would have said "You sir, are crazy".
"stock" for jpegs makes my blood boil honestly. The balls CIG have to treat people like idiots
@@starbuck5728 But someone is falling for this crap. Otherwise they wouldn't do it. And then adding fomo in there too is just an extra layer of nasty.
@bartasbxx its those whales that succumb to fomo. Weak minded fools!
@@bartasbxx I closed my wallet in 2014 when CIG baited and switched on the first SQ42 beta date. At this point the only way I'm getting even a portion of what was promised is if idiots keep paying 300k USD every single day to fund Chris to dither long enough that a game comes out. I really don't think Chris is capable of delivering a game without a publisher though.
If that email is legit, then it's a breach of consumer law in the UK/NZ/Aus, possibly EU IDK for misleading/deceptive marketing.
Which is not itself shocking, but CIG have historically known to steer clear of such breaches, which is the surprising part. Really emphasises the desperation
It's probably why it's only sent to concierge whales
CIG: "NO! NO FUN! Only GRIND!"
The only email I get from CIG are receipts lol.
Well I am sure the F8C Lightning will be on sale for everybody, if it reaches the final 4 in ship showdown (and I guess it will) - no token required. If not now, then at IAE this year. Sometimes I really wonder what those 1000+ employees are actually doing. Talking about CIG, they probably have internal reworks of reworks, too.
Of course they have internal reworks of internal reworks. Watch the golgot100 video called 'pipeline failure' and you'll see how often they talk like stuff is super advanced and just around the corner only to mention that they are replacing the replacement for it years later because the previous version was just not working.
look at the game. seriously, what are 1000+ employees doing? I can see 100, but 1000?
I suspect there are a bunch of Phantom workers and "their" salary disappears into "someones" pocket
@@guidobolke5618 Rumor has it that Chris demands on having personal signoff on all art and gameplay. This basically has throttled productivity and explains why there hasn't been a tangible increase in their productivity even while they've scaled up to a money furnace that burns 100 million USD per year to produce less than many indy studios who wish they could get even a fraction of that funding.
@@RN1441 That was already being said 7 years ago, when I started. It still doesn't explain what these 1000 people are actualyl doing each day. There is a team for missions. What have they done this patch? I don't have the fantasy to find an explanation for it.
I wouldn't be surprised as the new leak suggests they are milking the Saber Raven chassis…… again
apparently theres a racing community thats BEGGING for it lol
the biggest question that must be asked is why is there not money in the bank. regardless of scale of game it should truly have enough money behind it by now to protect it and all it's investors. buy investors i mesn backers .
They wasted it on stupid stuff. Just look at the lavish offices they built. Instead of something affordable and functional with all the essential needs.
0:35 That is definitely, 100%, a desperate move to get backers to spend more outside of the already oversaturated market of salesevents this year.
Remember when we had 7-8 sales events within the first 4 months of this year? Unprecedented as opposed to previous years.
This year seems like a race against the funding-meter for CIG.....and judging by their current practices it doesn't seem to be going too well. *ouch
I feel like roberts is just milking the game at this point then sell it to a company and let that company continue the grifting, while he absolves himself when the eventual derailment happens. Then roberts buys an island, hides, and spend the remaining years of his life living like kings.
I got one of these concierge emails/response. Problem is the “Rare” ship they were “offering” me, was a ship I no longer was interested in. The original ticket that was created 2 years ago. Lol.
Thanks for posting this. It indicates that marketing is being hard pressed to sell more to the point where they're digging through years old tickets to try to find people who might want big ships. I saw someone hilariously suggest that this is happening because someone 'cancelled' an order and that 'freed one up' but these are zero value digital copies. The only reason they'd do this is if the current artificial scarcity is no longer hitting their target. Given how CIG already had two 'break glass in case of emergency' sales early this year by selling ships that weren't supposed to be sold, it seems that 100 million per year just isn't enough for them to very slowly do very little.
LOL @ "limited stocked ships"!!
They must really think their backers were born yesterday
I am glad I cashed out of the game a year ago. Is it dawning on them and backers that there is no netcode solution that can handle their ambition without being a stuttery, lag-filled mess? Is Chris just hoping to get the single player game out the door and find a way to consolidate his cashing in?
He is just trying to keep the circling wolves at bay at this point.
I am expecting a ruggpull happening in the near future.
This year might seem to be 'boring' but if you know the signs to look for there are clear indications that CIG is realizing how much trouble they are in. A fundamental reality of distributed services is that compared to a traditional 'one machine' server you get at least some of more latency, more inconsistency and more errors. You can make choices to trade off between them (e.g. an extra roundtrip confirmation step for deterministic physics costs extra latency. An extra retry round to avoid errors costs latency) but you pay this price for splitting your system in to pieces. CIG appears to have finally realized that meshing doesn't make everything better, it in fact requires a sacrifice to be made somewhere and this is the most likely explanation for mastermodes. I fully expect they will next announce an FPS refactor to increase ttk for similar reasons. Meanwhile, on the database front CIG appears to finally at long last have actually realized that the problem isn't the three database versions that 'haven't performed at scale' as all three are used by industry and do perform at scale, the problem is that CIG has created an architecture which cannot scale. The biggest red flag for this is that a year ago in September 2023 Chris posted on spectrum complaining that the graphdb had trouble scaling, but has since deleted it. If they really had found a bug in a database product it would be fixed and CIG would be shouting from the rooftops that they had overcome a big blocker to the desynch, lag, errors, and other crap that we deal with daily on live. Since he deleted the post it instead indicates that they realized 'oh no, there is no magic fix, we actually have to write our software to be efficient and not just abstract it away as somebody elses problem'.
@@RN1441Shhh, dont say that out loud, you might wake J3P0. And none of us have time for that.😂
@@heru_ur6017 I wish. I never thought I'd say that.
@@RN1441 Could not agree more, PES for me was that sign. the way PES was handled and broke 3 major patches and still has issues currently. Im fully expecting SM to be "delayed" again which means no Pyro and them fighting between there left and right nut sack to decide which one gets the chop when ppl have had enough.
F8C, the F7A/C and now this Kraken bs, they are tight on money because ppl are waking up, the audience that coughed up money 5+ years ago have moved on so the new gen thats coming it while stupid, aint blind to drop several hundreds on a single ship for a game with nothing concrete in substance.
Cannot wait when SQ42 releases and its the worst game in existence because that will make or break SC PU, so many ppl (me included) are waiting on that as a final jugdement call for if CIG can get something completed to a standard that matches the money thrown at them.
im to the point i wanna sell my whole account.. SC getting shitty with ever patch
Just give it away
Good luck trying to sell your account.
Last thing I heared a few days ago, that sites like 'The Impound' have temporarily suspended their buying of accounts due to a large influx of sellers, which may not be the first time this has happened, but isn't a good sign either it's happening the 2nd. time this year.
Best bet at this time is to sell off bits of your account one by one.
I tried to sell mine over a year ago, worth over 7K US. Got the Kraken, the Pioneer and other juicy ships. Put it on sale for 50% less and still had not takers, not one!
@@RedDwarf1 buying whole accounts are sketchy going to have to sell them peicemeal
Wings are gonna melt flying so close to the sun...
Black Myth Wukong: 800 millions in 4 days.
What did we learn today unpaid testers? 😂
That real games companies do the work first then get paid, otherwise they're incentivized to just keep taking money while never delivering. From CIG's point of view finishing the game just means they're out of a job.
LOL 🤣
Yea, Mr. J. ? What did we learn today?
Well first of all, that's CCP. Also, it's a AAA game made specifically for the Chinese market, which is rare. Their population is 1.2 Billion people. So, combine being told to buy it, in a country that only allows it's shit to be marketed to its people, to a country with the world's highest population... Yea, you get 10,000,000 sells in a week... Now, imagine if SC bent over for the CCP, it would explode. Which they are trying to do. CIG will fuck this game up just to be able to full on enter the Chinese market.
@@sudonix5923 SC was advertised in asia. Sandi and Chris were sitting on chairs and spoke to the masses. They weren't in asia in person. Don't remember, but think it was a bar citizen or something like that.
@@sudonix5923are you sad your American game was outsold by a Chinese indie developer? Haha so so sad
Nice to see CIG turning into used car salesmen. By the time all is said and done, CIG will be selling everything, all the time just to keep payroll going. I'm betting they will also start discounting ships to juice the sales at some point.
Somewhere along the way, they transitioned from finishing a video game to only selling JPEGs 😢
If they spent as much time reworking existing hulls and designing/developing new concept ships to sell as they did getting core mechanics and gameplay working, bug free, we might actually have a game worth playing.
Greymarket prices are plummeting too. This is a worse indication of the lack of backer interest and hasn't happened before. CIG probably needs to do something to correct the situation and do it fast.
@scdude9509 I heard a website where players can sell accounts doesn't accept new account sellers at the moment.
@@Camural yes I can confirm, that website no longer advertises they buy accounts. I think we might be nearing the end. At this point I think they are simply just milking the last backers because they know it will fail.
There is absolutely no cohesion in what they are making, every addition seems totally random and unconnected to one another. Like each team is working on a completely different game.
It seems like nobody is thinking about the consequences of the mechanics they put in the game. And nobody thinks any mechanics properly through (e.g. MM, Jump point, Hangars, etc). Everything they add breaks the game more and more.
After what they've done to the game I sadly no longer care if they fail. It would be nice if they could get back on track, but I lost all hope that will ever happen.
Cringe, they've just pushed me away with the awful servers and ridiculously unnecessary master modes and time sink mechanics.
Hmm. Worrying. If they don't announce SQ42 release date this Citizencon, I wonder if this project is heading for the rocks because of cash flow.
This does feel like a turning point to me. Put up or cig may be in rocky waters
I havent played SC in months. I went back to Elite Dangerous.
Same, except its BG3.
They running out of money... I just don't trust the figures they give us! I stopped buying anything from them in 2016 after SQ42 disappointment and even though I so much want this game to succeed I am not throwing good money after bad!
Yeah you'd think they would listen to the numbers. Like the numbers of players no longer playing once master modes came out.
I'm just confused with all the funding they raised. Have they really used all of it? That's crazy mismanagement.
Hopefully, if SQ42 releases, next year, they can have a real cash flow
You forget that they , CR and his family plus the "investors" have been paying themselfs dividends every year.
Not only have they spent it all, but they've gone deep in to debt to external investors who are owed something like 130 million at the start of 2028. They would have to fire about 35% of their staff today to save up that money.
there are already videos out confirming that the promoted "feature complete" does not mean "content complete" so content still needs to added (1-3 years?) and they still have to polish as well (1-2 years?)
@@derjadebaum9159 In case you're not familiar, CIG has several times already announced beta dates (beta being implicitly feature complete in software development terms) yet not delivering. The first time was in fall 2014 when the original SQ42 beta was supposed to come out to backers. CIG announced they weren't making that game any more and baited and switched with 'more better, soon, just need a bit more time'. This became 'answer the call 2016' which CIG fostered an impression of being a full release but it didn't come out. This became 'answer the call 2017' which also went nowhere. Then they announced beta coming in 2018 which they also didn't deliver on. Next they announced 2020 as bringing the long delayed SQ42 beta. Then it became Q3 2020 for beta, then in Q3 they changed their story to Q4 2020 bringing the beta for SQ42 just a few months away. A couple months later in October 2020 Chris just changed the story to 'beta is a long way off'. They really are shameless with bait and switch marketing and have now seven or eight times announced a beta date or feature complete, or 'just polishing now' and then not actually delivered. It's not a small miss either as that last one was 3 years before Chris again said 'feature complete'.
CIG spend everything they get each year.
There is no pile of cash.
What you experience when you login to the PU is "supposedly" $700 Millions worth.😂
If they deliver the ship(flyable), people will buy it. Simple
At this point the writing is pretty much on the wall.
Nah, a sucker is born every minute and they love their JPG spaceships.
@@mariopenulli1395 I'm expecting they can string this out to 2028 if they want to. It's not just that the investors can demand repayment or seize control in 1Q 2028, but also that the graphics engine is starting to look pretty dated even now, and by 2028 this thing will be a retro game. I know they have people trying to tweak it but they could spend every dollar they raise on 'engine tech' and would still fall behind the much larger general industry.
It will probably keep struggling on until 2028 Q1 when the investors can pull the cord and demand their 130 million. CIG doesn't have money in the bank and would have to cut staff by 35% from today while maintaining funding to save that up, so more likely it will bankrupt CIG and the investors will take control ousting Chris. Then the game might get freelancered out within a couple years. I hope CIG can stand and deliver before then despite no indications that they are capable of it, as their engine is rapidly ageing. Star Citizen is becoming a retro game faster than it's becoming a complete game.
That sounds like a fraudulent spam email to me. That is how bad official emails from CIG sound.
CIG is committing suicide on many fronts. Poor game design is only one of the problems. This is death by a thousand cuts, all self inflicted.
Fundamentally you have to give in order to receive. So far CIG has not learned this.
For example, it's the little things: The ability to customise your ship colours/Armor/weapons without extra charge, would drive ship/game sales. People would spend hours customizing.
Instead, it's as if game is being made by Ebenezer Scrooge himself. Tiny Tim begging for paints, as Ebenezer turns round and says "ARE YOU READY TO CUSTOMISE YOUR HANGERS?!"
Ghost of Christmas past is coming. Are you ready for your lesson, Chris?
MPUV tractor still unavailable in game (other variants long available). Nursa rover unavailable in game (other variants long available). SRV pulled from in game purchase.....the grift is real.
So I downloaded the PTU to try the 3.24, and this is my findings of gameplay added and removed.
Gameplay added:
-hauling missions
Gameplay removed:
-drug trading.
-roc mining is now broken
-bunker looting almost impossible.
This is not a patch, this is content being removed.
Just what I say. They also removed the internal storage of ships that should have it at least physicslized somewhere.
It is highly probable they want drug trading in 4.0 will include buying drugs in Pyro and selling it in Stanton. This will probably be the new meta. Otherwise, no one will ever use the jumpoint except one time to go to see the new system.
@@strife1431 ships with internal space like lockers / shelves still work fine
@@Cmdr_V those are external storages inside the ship. I am talking about Internal storage, light fighters are okay if they had storage compartments. But ships like the Titan, Vanguard and Connie have no compartments to store gear and they didn't add it with their "so amazing update of inventory.
Mark my words, we will see a lawsuit against CIG in our lifetime.
I want to buy a kraken.. i got no email though, who do i contact
I am beginning to lose faith ... I've been at this for 12 years and $15000 spent.. but honestly, I'm losing faith.
Wow, hope theres at leas one zero too many. But here losing faith as well.
@@derjadebaum9159 no sadly, this chump sunk fifteen thousand into this game, 50% of the ships I pledged in terms of dollars still nothing more than jpegs in my hanger.
I'm at nearly 10k ($9600ish) and yea... Been burnt out for a while. Been saying it for years... They are stringing the community along without any fruits.
People like you that started this decline
Hi there, I'm a day one backer from 2012 who is in for 120 bucks plus a skin. I closed my wallet when they baited and switched on the beta date for SQ42 in 2014. While I'm glad that others would get some grand vision 'after a little more time' I decided it was a bad idea to reward bait and switch behavior as that was likely to just get us more baiting and switching. Oh boy do I wish I hadn't been so darn right. Now I have to be at peace with either not getting any game, or standing by to watch people throw 300k USD per day into the money fire of CIG's low productivity incompetence.
Wow they must be really desperate if they're sending these out, I'll take one for store credit... oh wait no, they only want real money, what a surprise, so it isn't about the ship, or the backer's interest in that ship, it's about the real dollar sale.
Typical CIG, delaying shit as always and at the same time gouging their simps for more cash.
Even if squadron 42 came out tomorrow ....if I'm even being generous this winter.. I would expect a fully buggy game with little to no support yes it's a gorgeous looking game and the devs should be proud of that but the rest of the back end AI pathing an overall general optimization is absolute garbage for a 14 plus year game cryengine runs heavy on your computer but it shouldn't at this point in development especially with over a half a billion f****** dollars put into its development
Also remember what has happened to computers since 2012 when they started with Cryengine 3.6 (now lumberyard). Back then the most powerful x86 server processors were 4 core Xeons with 8 cores just on the horizon. Today they're up to 128 core, 256 thread cpus with each of those cores being about 20% faster individually. That's 32x the compute power in one socket with more available memory bandwidth and yet CIG is still struggling even with that massive tailwind supporting them.
Who knows what is happening behind the very sealed doors at CIG! Is server meshing a reality or just a pr stunt they made to satisfy us backers and players? Will SQ42 ever be released? 12 moving to 13 years in development, and still, just eye candy and no real plot development for the tech demo!
I have more or less lost my confidence in CIG and this tech demo ever becoming a real game! CR just uses it, for milking people for hard earned cash!
I will not be buying anything else from CIG, think I have contributed enough to a tech demo!
I consider already the cash I used for this tech demo to be lost, when CIG releases the news, at some not-so-distant point in time, that the playerbase has so low numbers that they will close down the project, and CR....sitting in his yacht writing a letter that he is so very very sorry about the outcome. I dont think they will ever admit that they run out of money, and big sums have been transferred to shady accounts.
I also think that most of the good people have left CIG, because they could not accept what was going on, anymore. Now they are just left with mediocre devs, that dont give a shit, but just are in it for a paycheck each month!
They must be in trouble financially. The ship spending has slowed down. And rightly so. Sadly a lot of people will lose their jobs at CIG, and that is a shame because the poor management has led to this position.
Their big down year was 2023 which looked like a record but as Camural says was up by only 3% so less than inflation and they boosted headcount by about 10% so their costs were way up. They partially papered over that by closing a studio disguised as 'relocation to manchester' shredding a lot of expensive developers in Austin for low cost Manchester staff, but just to try and hold pace this year they've had to sell multiple ships that were supposed to be reserved for completing SQ42 or power creeping designs from day 1 in a game they haven't even delivered yet.
Wow, this email reads like a scam, especially the sense of urgency they want to create. Even if it's legit, it feels very dubious.
Hurry before they run out of ships! Not that game play is important lol. 😅
I am genuinely starting to worry about that beautiful project
Beautiful? They first told us that we'd be getting additional star systems at citizencon 2016 and have repeated that lie every year for 8 years, rolling over in to 9 years if they don't have pyro out by October. What part of this constant cycle of lies is beautiful?
Truly is Scam Citizen with those emails 💰 🤑 💸
I also think CIG costs are very expensive with a lot of overhead and management cost. Just look at the ship pipeline. Above the cost of just the ship dev, you have to add the marketing team decisions, the design team just for pictures, then doing a advertisment videos, then other videos and ad docs before ven beginning the real dev of the ship. And a lot of ships are linked to external dev that have no clear agenda. So it must be a permanent stop and go at CIG, stopping and relaunching with new guys the work on ships. And at each stpe, management is making meetings and asks for documents to be created.
At GDC 2013 Chris said that the way he had set up the company was 400% as efficient as traditional publisher driven games, so we have to multiply their funding by 4x to 3.2 billion (unless you think Chris was just bitter about publishers forcing him to deliver in the past... goodness I wish this game had a publisher is a thing I didn't think I'd say but twelve full years of Chris lying to you will do that). To your point though another big concern is that CIG has created a ship backlog ponzi scheme in that they have now got about 10-20 YEARS worth of work ahead of them at their current rate of production considering that's mostly really big really complicated ships. They lied for years that they weren't making a ponzi because they were spending heavily on making tools to speed up development, but those have never materialized and even though they are now 5x bigger they are producing ships at nearly the same sluggish rate. Something has gone horribly wrong with how that company is run.
Honestly, if they really want to move their product, they need to work on customer retention and that means rebuilding trust.
To build trust, you need to do something nice for the players for a change instead of taking the war thunder approach.
WDF?!
Where are the ship skins then?
Is the email address from CIG or is it a phishing expedition?
Well that's a new low in predatory behavior from CIG and RSI. Assuming these emails have been verified to be legitimate and it's not a phishing scam.
dude this had me rolling, they always talk about achievements, and assets, as if those things are physical.. while still failing to introduce any appreciative, mass based physics, to make the game they are developing feel physical.
there are plenty of other games managing this, and with far fewer devs, resources, and time.
Most games decide whether they're going for a realistic space sim or "close quarter WWII dogfights in space" prior to beginning. Star Citizen is the latter, tries to represent itself as the former, and that combination of utterly nonsensical content wrapped in a dead serious representation is a consistent theme in the saga of the game. Unfortunately Chris Roberts is not Leslie Nielsen, and Star Citizen is not Airplane.
@@clovernacknime6984aye, that really sums it up pretty well. clearly camural's comment section is the best thing about SC, and I rrally can't see this changing before I'm pushing up daisy's.
If they developed either game(s)
Then they would have money but they don’t and only delay then ask for more money…. Lmao
They should hire people who have created engaging missions in multiplayer environments. Tarkov is a prime example of missions driving players to contested locations while providing a sense of accomplishment and missions progression.
They could easily do this and it's been stated hundreds of times by people throughout the community. Jumptown for example, could be a dynamic event that gets triggered by completing so many drug runs.
Boom. Done.
Nine tails lock down could be triggered by doing so many cargo runs they attempted to lock down a space port. That explains why they are locking it down.
Xeno threat could be triggered by doing so many bunker busters (for example)
Boom. Now players are incentivized to do things. Rather than CIG making a public announcement "oh we are doing xeno threat this weekend". How lame. We don't want them to tell us when it's happening. We want to complete tasks that trigger it for the community.
They refuse to listen.
@@sudonix5923 I think they have to tweak the game to support those big missions to be run because of the very low performances. For instance, by stopping other missions. The game would also probably not tolerate two such missions at the same time.
@@sebc8938 yea I can see that. They could also just only run one at a time. They wouldn't even have to tell the community how many things you have to do to trigger an event. Could just randomly trigger it by doing a bunch of tasks. That way, they wouldn't have to justify only running one at a time.
But also, yea, they could cut player count back down to make it more enjoyable to play for everyone.
@@sudonix5923 Server cost is not something negligible for CIG. Dividing player count by 2 would double it. And they will probably have to double it in 4.0
@@sebc8938 I said cut player count not double it. Either way I'm just making a simple solution to stabilize the servers and make it more enjoyable while they figure out what this game is.
Also, the community has stated, like I said, hundreds of times that they want a reason to do things. I just gave 3 reasons for doing things that already exist in the game. It's an easy win. They care more about pushing out a new ship than actual viable gameplay.
I hope the Ning Nongs buy heaps more ships.
Keep me entertained 🤣
relocating to the UK in a new building isn't going to help... i'm not looking for or want to see them to go bankrupt, but is a possibility. i've been trying to give them (and everyone) the magic recipe. they just have to fuckin do it lol...
big issue is that there are running a live service, and some noisy people want to cite fun and/or removal of any and all time sinks... video games are time sinks, and if you look at any popular game these days, you will see that the broad gaming community outside of the Spectrum/Reddit fishbowls don't want casual games. listening to feedback like this ends up eventually shrinking the community to the niche of a couple hundred people it was tailored to. just look at master modes, it was tailored to be fun for the 100 person strong Arena Commander PvP community. now everyone except those 100 people are pissed.
@Ha1rD1aper Star Citizen is a space game, some things should take time, this is fine. I don't want to be able to teleport to every where in a split second.
However, what CIG does is almost torture. I have done more than 5000 "immersive" elevator and metro rides by now, why can't we spawn directly into a spaceport or our personal hangar?
Even things that are quick and easy in other games like equipping items, picking up an item are slow and tedious in Star Citizen.
Most games are using a focus system, it is easy to select the right item.
Star Citizen is using a kinda focus system but my friends and I are hitting the wrong thing all of the time, like instead of opening a door, our characters sit on a bed.
@@Camural we probably agree on a lot of things... yeah, should probably be able to log in our hangars. they're already instanced, so shouldn't cause any issues. Connie starter packs come with cots, so would be nice to be able to use them in hangars.
with inventory, what we have is a paradigm shift, and some of it is CIG needing to prioritize a few things and the other is just perspective. at the very least, CIG needs to make 1 SCU boxes available at (at least) one spot per LZ. they really need to prioritize gun racks, lockers, etc, too, tho.
the perspective of players needs to shift in a way were people don't even need the item bank 90% of the time, because (ideally) they have called 20 loadouts up in a crate on the cargo elevator and put full loadouts and environment suits in a row of display lockers and gun racks.
the new UI lets you slide items over with one click and allows loadouts to be transferred via undersuit. could make display locker equip/unequip the same interface and process as recovering a loadout after death. imo, new UI should allow real time movement, too...
they actually messed up basic interactions pretty bad with the new prompt update. they seemed to change a lot of the programming and i'm not sure why... like the old interaction system had a highlight option, and that could have just been changed to show "F" as a texture, but no... now basic looting and handling of items, armor, and guns lacks option to pick up half the time... the new UI doesn't allow dropping often/at all, but can't pick up when it does, so doesn't matter.
i know what you mean with the prompt. an item on the floor behind you will stay highlighted and conflict with the item in your hand. the new interaction system has been giving me lots of issues as well.
when i get mad it's usually over certain feedback like the people clicking on items on armor (like mags, med items, etc.), instead of going to loot inventory. which first got the items made harder to interact with, then gets all interaction removed entirely. people giving feedback would rather destroy something unique than find a proper solution like putting inventory loot and personal inventory on the same button. instead of having inventory on 2 different buttons where there is a mechanical conflict.
at points i swear they fuck shit up or run tests on new features while the game is in a state of having little to no support for said feature on purpose just so the feature is rejected.
CIG lies.
Sales 101. Its funny to watch the tactics i used selling cars, that i learned from Grant Cardone. Be used by CIG on space dads who should know better.
Starter ship is about it. Spending money on a incomplete project not worth it.
I want SC to fail -- CGI is an abomination and Kris is the baddest coder-ceo in gaming industry
I discovered this game two months ago and it is a love hate relation.
In 2954 your ship has no CCTV and you call the multitool cringe?
I am honestly losing hope... and the community is getting worse each year with their cult-like behaviour... i really honestly think that the endgame of all of this is a collapsed game project and genuine suicides from some cult members and maybe even ending up with someone killed at a star citizen event at citizencon or bar citizen or something... its my gut feeling
i don't know why but somehow i never get emails from CIG idk what's going wrong
Camural is a big whale, The Kraken warbond (cash) is $1500
I asked about the Kraken 3 years ago, got a response back then that they are hull limited and only up for sale during special promotions.
Fast forward 3 years and now they are begging me to buy one.
Responded with laugh emojies.
I haven't received one of their mails in years, but that's probably because I deactivated those long ago.....for good reason. xD
That is predatory behaviour right now!
CIG needs to get Sq42 out the door and hope it is a success. If Sq42 flops, that reflects badly on SC and CIG's intellectual property (which I'm sure will be available for purchase one day).
Given that we are essentially getting a glimpse of Sq42 via the game mechanics being moved from there to SC, I'm concerned.
It's also worth remembering that Sq42 development was *not* tested by players, and didn't benefit from player feedback, and CIG probably used that route to speed up development believing they would A: get it right, B: win players round by waiting them out, C: could just wait for the criticism to die down while claiming they are definitely listening to us...
I've also noticed (since Turbulent were bought out) that CIG's approach has gone from "making the best damned space game ever", to just shoe-horn in anything and hope it's acceptable - I don't know whether that timing is coincidental or causal.
Still, at this rate, it's going to be an 'interesting' game at this rate: deep world development tools, pretty environments, lacklustre and simplistic gameplay, *that* flight model and UI... .
The mission guy (young guy) explained that his approach (probably direction given by management) is to deliver the least viable product.
Basically the complete opposite of "best d. space game ever"
@derjadebaum9159 you mean Elliot Maltby? Do you have a link or screenshot?
Dude, of sq42 flops the entire project is done. 90% of ALL funding has gone into SQ42. Even the money you give them RIGHT NOW, goes into SQ42.
If it flops the boat sinks.
@@Camural Hi Camural, in a rush I didn't find the correct spot, but it was in the video with the flip chart in his background - 12. July 2024 Star Citizen Live Q&A: Making Missions II-2 - I remember that I just checked in on a streamer that day, heard what he said, was buffled no one took notice and left in anger lmao. Zapping through the video doesn't make the statement seem true. But I will look through and answer on your post again. Could be that the context was that for the moment they want to stick with the least viable product, but not in the long run. - Keep you posted when i finished the video 😵
@@Camural looked through the video but I probably misheard something - darn. There would have probably been an uproar if that had been said - sorry Camural.
Management is bad, but the devs just aren't getting it done either. A smaller team of more experienced and capable devs is better than the 1200 that CIG employs.
It's a sad truth, but a smaller team of domain experts is what's needed to address the problems they CLAIM to be solving. You generally can't put a thousand poorly paid amateurs at a thousand keyboards and expect them to get much done. Worse still they seem to be misorganized and misled to the point where they aren't even churning out much low complexity work. If they were the ship backlog would be gone by now.
Probably not a dev issue. Just see that the rivers were globally developed by a single guy. And that with latest techs, a new planet is supposed to be developed in a few weeks. But there are a lot of management and marketing cost above that. The worst thing is that we shall remember that the tractor bean was introduced suddenly and was the idea of a single dev. This whole game ambianceof Beam Citizen was not a grand idea from the semi-god CR but an improvisation of an unknown junior dev.
Server Meshing will fix all their cash flow problems ----- LoL
More stock became available! Ahahahahahaha
10 grand spent and CIG wants more!
I thought concierge levels go from $1k to $25k. How do we know how much this person pledged? Unless you are speaking for yourself.
And here I am, having spent 70 euros, thinking I got scammed.
It's clowns like you that support the poor development, and this predatory behaviour
Until outstanding issues, promises, and ships are delivered as we were sold over the years. I shall not spend another cent on CIG. Its been a few years since I bought anything and that length of time is entirely waiting on CIG to bring out the content. Just one more year guys its happening this is the year! **its never this year**
Maybe if they could hold onto their talent the game would actually progress in development... Oh and customer support has been worthless so many times when I needed help. (aka multiple of my ships disappearing from the hangar over the years after each patch) So I don't feel very well appreciated by the company itself with their lack of concern. I have some 15 support tickets and they have helped with one. A friend of mine has a duplicated bugged ship he bought and they cant help him either. CIG fix your sh**.
If I remember correctly, Morphologist mentioned in one of his recent videos that most of the spending now is from existing backers. They're not getting enough new people interested in this. They need to make real, tangible progress to get more people in. The last big wave was because things looked like they were moving, like we might actually be getting somewhere. Well that momentum has stalled out with all these features being delayed again. We have to have a reason to bring people in, and right now I can't ask anyone to join in because I don't want my friends to feel like they're wasting their money. If they can get Pyro out and have things be stable and if they can have a couple more features actually working, features such as scanning, then I would be more likely to invite people. But they have to actually get that progress made. Until then I'll just log in from time to time and go salvage for a couple hours.
@ShadowOfMachines I only say this:
Many years ago, I told some friends: "I will show your Star Citizen when 3.0 is out!"
I am happy they never asked.
I would be embarrassed to show anyone this tech demo even now in year 12.
Their new player signups dropped 22% from 2022 to 2023, and it's continuing the downtrend this year by something more than 10% which has led them to run multiple events in China to try and break into an 'untapped market'. Trees don't grow to the sky, so while CIG is not out of money yet they are unlikely to get another 0.8 Billion USD for zero games delivered.
sure only 30 days 😂
I also don't wish for CIG to fail but i do wish they got sued for their JPEG selling of ships that costs hundreds of dollars.. With zero intention to start working on them any time soon.
@fierox88 I am not sure if CIG could get sued for selling JPEGs that are not in the game many year later, some ships are still not in the game +9 years after the concept sale.
However, CIG has a backlog of ships in concept at least 10 years long by now and a lot of ships that need their gold-standard, in addition, CIG in year 12 doesn't even have a final gold standard yet. The goalpost is still moving, Chris still wants new things added.
Hire more people? CIG already has 1200 employees and might not break even anymore, so how are they suppose to hire more people?
@@Camural Dont think they need to hire more people... Well new management maybe :)
Yeah what exactly are the developers doing there doesn't seem to be much progress happening they've promised squadron 42 and said that it's in polishing phases still have yet to see anything from that what the f*** are they doing how is this even legal ?
Welp if they go under I luckily would lose like.. 600 bucks I spend years agoI think... Such a sad state of afairs. Tho tbh I already lost that money
This is so cheap. Even for CIG's standards 😂😂😂
Star Citizen is procedural generated thing so it goes on with or WITHOUT CIG / Robers Space Industries inc.
More than a billion dollars in funding and 12 years of development and the game is both nowhere near functional and the devs are still begging for money. I am amazed people still fall for this game. I even know a couple. One of them has spent 6 figures on this game hilariously.
1) It's not more than a billion dollars (it's about 900 million :D) 2) The only thing CIG has made that's of any value is the list of suckers that are likely to fall for such nigerian game developer scams.
@@RN1441 It is more than a billion, it was more than a billion back when the declared crowdfunding was only at 600m. It is factoring in things like external private investment and preferential deals and such. No idea what it is at now.
@@jimmydesouza4375 I'm going based on the analysis of the UK financial reports reviewed by the Nosy gamer blog. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from but I'd appreciate a source.
What happens when the money dries up?
Are they gonna bail and abandon the game , or are they gonna produce results?
My guess is try to cut losses and bail. My hope is someone like Microsoft or Amazon pick up the IP and actually do a good job with it.
@@starbuck5728 By now I strongly think so as well. CR and the board will try to sell the brand and assets at the highest price and run.
They will have to start from scratch because everyone sees that this tech can't deliver the promises. Maybe we the backers by that will lose ownership.
@@derjadebaum9159 nah the tech is fully capable of working. They are going to utilize edge processing for server updates.
My concern isn't that it will work and can work. My concern is that the management is so shitty, the game will die off before they can get it implemented correctly.
what about the road to 4.0 taking 8 year?? make a video about this!!!
1200 employees... doing what?
Rumor has it that everything gameplay and visual has to get personally approved by Chris. Unfortunately Chris loves to fiddle with stuff and is primarily focused on things 'looking cool' with almost no care for functionality so things are very often sent back to be made 'more immersive' but less functional. Worse still, Chris doesn't have a coherent vision, nor does he keep notes so after you've made the changes and sent your work back in it's several months later (since he's busy fiddling with everything else) and he will have changed his mind resulting in another round of rework potentially undoing several of the things HE asked you to do. This has led to an environment where there's no incentive to work hard or to work well as good ideas are not appreciated and your work is more likely than not to be discarded than approved. Even if it does by some miracle get approved it's usually broken on live and scheduled to be ripped up and replaced anyway. This is why 1200 developers are just as slow as 100 used to be.
@@MadIIMike at this rate? Looking for new jobs!
@@RN1441 Even if it were true, this wouldn't explain the snails pace (at best).
I literally emailed them, asking if I could exchange a ship I bought, (I bought the wrong one, full cash version and not the one you can buy with ship credits [costs more total]). CIG support said “they do not support or do they ever sell ships outside of the pledge store.” My friend right next to me, got emailed back instantly, with a custom personal link to a one-time purchase of the ship, of his choice. After that I just dgaf anymore. No more 🥕 bait and switch tactics to fall for. The reason this game will fail, is greed. Plain and simple. When you embolden the entrance to “Invictus” convention center with 3 jets, with a smoke trail showing the numbers 666 intentionally. Well whatever you practice to get this ‘company’ going and funding. Will come back to bite you. 🤷🏽♂️. It’s been fun while its lasted.
...and they made the game worse not better. now scrambling for more money. chris must be living above his means. and yes, you will get fools gas lighting about how great it really is... yet it isn't
It sounds like a scam.
I half expect it to sound like it came from a Nigerian Prince.
Cris is gonna need money if he means to keep delaying the game for another 12 years.
Be satisfied we just turned the mid course buoy.
Could be inspect elemented, I don't see this being reported anywhere else currently.
@cookiejarvis3856 it was on reddit starcitizen too.
don't blur out the staff names.