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"We are investigating the C-2, the beautiful flying giant of the JASDF. #aviation #jasdf #aircraft Due to copyright issues, we re-uploaded our De Zeven Provinciën-class frigate video. Do the C-2 compete with the C-130J Super Hercules and C-390 Millenium? Or with the A400M Atlas?" The second paragraph might be a leftover from another description.
Replacing the smaller aircraft because they are at the point of needing to *AND* by expanding the order to cover those aircraft it drives the unit cost down to a point they can afford or is more palatable to the government. The offset there is the higher costs of operation over the long term cf the smaller lift needs, which can either simply be accepted or, if the JASDF expands - and they may well be planning on exactly that - they can, as you say, acquire a smaller option in the future for that lighter role.
As always, your preparations are excellent! Almost all topics related to the C-2 are concise and easy to understand. I agree with Weapon Detective's opinion. The C-2 cannot replace the C-130H (JMSDF also operates used C-130Rs). In the future, the F-35B will enter service, and the KC-130J will be introduced due to the necessity of aerial refueling for the UH-60J, etc. Although it is a different story, the KC-46A will be purchased as an additional three aircraft from the six already purchased, and we may purchase an aircraft with Probe and Drogue added. In addition, the Rapid Dragon project, which is being tested by the USAF to equip a transport plane with a missile rack to turn it into a missile carrier, will also be carried out in Japan. Of course, the launch aircraft will be the C-2. 相変わらず事前準備が素晴らしい！ほぼ全てC-2に関するトピックを簡潔にわかりやすくしてくれております。私もWeapon Detectiveさんの考えに賛同いたします。C-2でC-130Hの代替は出来ない(JMSDFも中古のC-130Rを運用している）。 今後F-35Bが就役し、UH-60J等にも空中給油する必然性からKC-130Jを導入するでしょう。話は違いますがKC-46Aは追加購入済ます６基導入から３機追加購入です、Probe and Drogueを追加した機体を購入するかもしれません。 追加で、USAFが実証実験している輸送機にミサイルラックを搭載して”ミサイルキャリア－”にする「ラピットドラゴン」計画、日本でも進めるよ。発射母機にはもちろんC-2を使うよ。
A perfect fit for the Italian Air force which would synergize perfectly with the P3 for a much needed long range ASW patrol aircraft due to many commonalities in the airframe. In exchange Italy could offer the M346 for advanced training, on which the JSDAF already trains its pilots in Sardinia, and the C27 Spartan for landing and take of from small islands in the China sea.
The C-2 is incredible. Honestly I think the USAF/USMC should consider it. It has the perfect range and speed requirements for the Sino-Pacific theatre, whilst also having rough field performance, only 2 engines (easier maintenance) and it looks cool as fuck.
Other countries are going for a400m instead as its not far off the payload of the c17 compared too the c130 but has better capabilities then the c130 with short take off & unpaved landings, range & speed etc
@@moodogcoa400 are much older and been selling for decade and not selling to well in recent years , C2 just been offered for the global market in recent years , problem with japanese weapon are people worry about after sell service as Japan haven't sell any weapon to foreign country after WW2 they law only allow the sell of weapon in recent year
@@jerryle379 yh I had heard they'd struggled in recent yrs for sales etc as even raf r messing arnd about buying another 6 A400m after retiring the c130 to fill a capability gap!!! But at the beginning that was the case of other countries going for A400m etc
@@moodogco yeah most recent customer of them are Kazakhstan , they trying hard to sell a few to Indonesia but look like the c130j win . The only customer that can guy massive amount of transport plane , nowadays will be India , I wonder who will win ? American c130j or Japan C2 , airbus A-400, or Brazil kc390
@@jerryle379 yh imo I wud say that the A400m is the better plane as it can do everything the c130 & more in payload, range & all of the unpaved landings/ take off etc but the American military complex has a lot of sway in foreign countries when it comes too pushing their product
Make a video on the Shaanxi Y 9 please. The PLAAF's mainstay tactical airlifter and base for many other platforms like AEWACS, EW, SIGNIT/ELINT and ASW Maritime Patrol aircraft as well.
I’m really surprised this and the P-1 ASW aircraft were not jumped on my foreign militaries as they seem to be pretty solid designs. I mean, come on. This little bugger has TWO 747-400 engines and as such is no slouch. Personally I think it and the P-1 have a lot of potential.
@@jesusrodriguez1461 Thank-you. What's the economic comparison? Fuel cost per mile, cost to purchase, maintenance costs, etc. That would make a great video. You could make a series of videos. Make it like it was an elimination tournament. All currently available options compared 2 per video till you get to a champ.
@@hemaccabe4292 C-2 should be better on fuel cost because it was designed to fly at commercial speeds and altitudes. Most cargo aircraft are too slow and are limited by air traffic control rules to lower altitudes and therefore thicker air and more drag, which reduces their fuel efficiency. The C-2 was also designed to reach Hawaii from Japan, so it is an airlifter that can do strategic airlift as well as tactical. That's why they designed it for commercial speeds and altitudes. The C-390 is essentially a jet powered C-130 competitor, the C-2 is more like a mini-C-17. I don't know about cost of purchase and per flight hour.
What are you talking about? They use 2x General Electric CF-6 engines. They use Brazilian iron for the fuselage, only the KMS6115 composite is made in Japan.
American Engineering is what enables both Japan and Brazil to even build anything. Secondly, the GE engines on the Kawasaki are made by a GE & Mitsubishi joint project. A technology transfer.
Thank you for re-uploading. I'm very happy! The reason for the deployment of the C-2 is not only overseas deployment missions, but also changes in defense doctrine. Japan is trying to shift its defense focus to the Okinawa Islands, where friction with China is escalating, and is trying to establish a system to assemble the rapid response units (called the "即応機動連隊(rapid response mobile regiment)", a small mechanized regiment centered around the Type 16 MCV) deployed throughout the Japanese archipelago in the Okinawa Islands in the event of an emergency. As a means to achieve this, the C-2, with its excellent payload, range and speed, is an important item.
Too bad this program had both external and internal issues which extended the development by several years. Also, the absence of international partners didn't give it a larger built-in customer base.
Japan also buys the new C-130. The c27 spartan is not a good plane. He took to USA and retired early. They were not satisfied. If the Japanese were smart, they would offer it to the Turks. I think they would take it. they need.
Twin jet is questionable choice for military transport where fuel economy and maintenance cost is a secondary consideration. Basically cargo plane must be able to takeoff with one engine failed. So for a plane with say 100 tons of capacity on all engine, a quad jet can safely fly 75, whereas a twin jet can only fly 50. This is why the C2 has substantially lower load capacity than the IL76 despite having more total thrust than the latter. For a military transport, this can be the difference of whether the plane can carry a MBT or not. I would guess C2 was deliberately crippled this way so it cannot compete with C17.
Unless you see these planes taking off/landing in places directly under enemy fire, the engine-out problem isnever more dramatic during last 50 years or so, as engine reliability has gone way up. Civilian planes TOO requre OEI (one engine inoperative) operation, especially at start and still need to be able to show positive rate of climb even on single engine (using emergency power rating of the remaining engine, which ofcourse reduces its remaining service life). So no, just like in civilian use, the "main" big transport aircraft are overwhelmingly using two engines configuration, just like for example the C390, and it's not a problem. A400 only has 4 engines bcse it's turboprop, and there are no such big turboprop engines that produce enough power in only 2 of them.
C 2 shouldn't be compared with Il 76, or at least you should compare it with the right variant. Compare C 2 with the latest model of Il 76 make no sense since its a strategic airlifter.
@@mrmakhno3030 Why not, Il76 is only 2.5 meter longer than the C2. Empty Il76 weight 92.5 tonnes vs C2 69 tonnes, yet the four D-30KP produce total of only 470kN vs C2's twin GE CF6 531kN. So the two planes are roughly the same size, but C2 is lighter and have more powerful engines, yet the 4 engine Il76 has a lift capacity of 50 tonnes vs 36 for the twin jet C2. Guess what, double the C2 capacity 36*2 = 72, and 72*(3/4) = 54 which is roughly the capacity of a Il76. Had the C2 been fitted with quad jet, it would be able to safely lift much more. (C17 is 53m long and is much larger than the Il76)
@@moss550 Carrying capacity of old models Il-76 is 42/48t, only the latest MD-90A version has 60t, while having among other things reworked wing, which has 10% bigger wingspan and also higher surface area. You could say C-2 (which has btw. max capacity of 37,6t) is over-engined but otherwise far lighter built, and smaller, thus no wonder it can carry less load. It wasn't REQUIRED to carry more. Yes it fails to transport MBT, but that is for many countries not the requirement... If you like to compare it to anything, compare it to C-390... same concept, same number of engines, about 50% more capacity... Trust me, if Japan would be serious about offering C-2 to international customers, there are many who would take these parameters for interresting (also the range!) and for right price would consider it.
This plane was designed to use Japanese runways, especially regional runways which have shorter distance. I won't get into it, but it was designed for specific cargo, enemies, and runways in mind.
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"We are investigating the C-2, the beautiful flying giant of the JASDF. #aviation #jasdf #aircraft
Due to copyright issues, we re-uploaded our De Zeven Provinciën-class frigate video.
Do the C-2 compete with the C-130J Super Hercules and C-390 Millenium? Or with the A400M Atlas?"
The second paragraph might be a leftover from another description.
@@kilo4911 Thanks for warning
Replacing the smaller aircraft because they are at the point of needing to *AND* by expanding the order to cover those aircraft it drives the unit cost down to a point they can afford or is more palatable to the government.
The offset there is the higher costs of operation over the long term cf the smaller lift needs, which can either simply be accepted or, if the JASDF expands - and they may well be planning on exactly that - they can, as you say, acquire a smaller option in the future for that lighter role.
As always, your preparations are excellent! Almost all topics related to the C-2 are concise and easy to understand. I agree with Weapon Detective's opinion. The C-2 cannot replace the C-130H (JMSDF also operates used C-130Rs). In the future, the F-35B will enter service, and the KC-130J will be introduced due to the necessity of aerial refueling for the UH-60J, etc. Although it is a different story, the KC-46A will be purchased as an additional three aircraft from the six already purchased, and we may purchase an aircraft with Probe and Drogue added.
In addition, the Rapid Dragon project, which is being tested by the USAF to equip a transport plane with a missile rack to turn it into a missile carrier, will also be carried out in Japan. Of course, the launch aircraft will be the C-2.
相変わらず事前準備が素晴らしい！ほぼ全てC-2に関するトピックを簡潔にわかりやすくしてくれております。私もWeapon Detectiveさんの考えに賛同いたします。C-2でC-130Hの代替は出来ない(JMSDFも中古のC-130Rを運用している）。 今後F-35Bが就役し、UH-60J等にも空中給油する必然性からKC-130Jを導入するでしょう。話は違いますがKC-46Aは追加購入済ます６基導入から３機追加購入です、Probe and Drogueを追加した機体を購入するかもしれません。
追加で、USAFが実証実験している輸送機にミサイルラックを搭載して”ミサイルキャリア－”にする「ラピットドラゴン」計画、日本でも進めるよ。発射母機にはもちろんC-2を使うよ。
A perfect fit for the Italian Air force which would synergize perfectly with the P3 for a much needed long range ASW patrol aircraft due to many commonalities in the airframe.
In exchange Italy could offer the M346 for advanced training, on which the JSDAF already trains its pilots in Sardinia, and the C27 Spartan for landing and take of from small islands in the China sea.
Finally a video not comparing this aircraft to the c-390
The Kawasaki C2 is almost twice the size of a C390
Are doing a video on the C-27J SPARTAN anytime soon
Thanks for your interest. We added the C-27J to our list. But not this years.
Happy to re-upload this video. thanks.
this + rapid dragon 👍
Looks like a mini globemaster c
The C-2 is incredible. Honestly I think the USAF/USMC should consider it. It has the perfect range and speed requirements for the Sino-Pacific theatre, whilst also having rough field performance, only 2 engines (easier maintenance) and it looks cool as fuck.
Impressive cruise and top seed. They did it themselves to continue maintaining a domestic aviation production base and expand it into larger aircraft.
Fun fact:
Japan deployed C2 for the evacuation operation in Afghanistan. They evacuated total 1 person.
hahaha a japanese i supposed?
Ironically, a non Japanese was rescued…
@@bgshin2879 get out of here! hahahahhaha
Source?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Kabul_airlift#:~:text=On%2025%20August%2C%20a%20Japan,not%20arrived%20at%20the%20airport.
It’s a great looking aircraft, baby C-17.
I’m surprised that this hasn’t done better considering that C-17’s aren’t being produced.
Other countries are going for a400m instead as its not far off the payload of the c17 compared too the c130 but has better capabilities then the c130 with short take off & unpaved landings, range & speed etc
@@moodogcoa400 are much older and been selling for decade and not selling to well in recent years , C2 just been offered for the global market in recent years , problem with japanese weapon are people worry about after sell service as Japan haven't sell any weapon to foreign country after WW2 they law only allow the sell of weapon in recent year
@@jerryle379 yh I had heard they'd struggled in recent yrs for sales etc as even raf r messing arnd about buying another 6 A400m after retiring the c130 to fill a capability gap!!! But at the beginning that was the case of other countries going for A400m etc
@@moodogco yeah most recent customer of them are Kazakhstan , they trying hard to sell a few to Indonesia but look like the c130j win . The only customer that can guy massive amount of transport plane , nowadays will be India , I wonder who will win ? American c130j or Japan C2 , airbus A-400, or Brazil kc390
@@jerryle379 yh imo I wud say that the A400m is the better plane as it can do everything the c130 & more in payload, range & all of the unpaved landings/ take off etc but the American military complex has a lot of sway in foreign countries when it comes too pushing their product
Make a video on the Shaanxi Y 9 please. The PLAAF's mainstay tactical airlifter and base for many other platforms like AEWACS, EW, SIGNIT/ELINT and ASW Maritime Patrol aircraft as well.
beautiful plane !
It's beautiful
I’m really surprised this and the P-1 ASW aircraft were not jumped on my foreign militaries as they seem to be pretty solid designs.
I mean, come on. This little bugger has TWO 747-400 engines and as such is no slouch. Personally I think it and the P-1 have a lot of potential.
Don't just read the press release word for word. There is only one question. How does it compare to the Embraer?
C-2 has better range, carry capacity, higher speed, and only requires half the distance to take off.
@@jesusrodriguez1461 Thank-you. What's the economic comparison? Fuel cost per mile, cost to purchase, maintenance costs, etc. That would make a great video. You could make a series of videos. Make it like it was an elimination tournament. All currently available options compared 2 per video till you get to a champ.
@@hemaccabe4292 C-2 should be better on fuel cost because it was designed to fly at commercial speeds and altitudes. Most cargo aircraft are too slow and are limited by air traffic control rules to lower altitudes and therefore thicker air and more drag, which reduces their fuel efficiency. The C-2 was also designed to reach Hawaii from Japan, so it is an airlifter that can do strategic airlift as well as tactical. That's why they designed it for commercial speeds and altitudes. The C-390 is essentially a jet powered C-130 competitor, the C-2 is more like a mini-C-17.
I don't know about cost of purchase and per flight hour.
This is made by KSI in early 2000s. Seen this ni Nagoya.
why re upload?
As usual, copyright
It's such a beautiful plane
Can it land on unpaved runways like c-130& il-78,??? Jf.
Yes
This might be the cutest operational scale airlifter so far.
Is this channel just reposting the same videos? I’m pretty sure this one was already done before
Yes. Some videos suffered from copyright issues. We are re-uploading them. We mentioned this in our description section.
I want one.
It's like Boeing 777 without a neck 😅
*similar to KC390*
Not similar.
Inferior by far !!!
De outra categoria, maior.
nice plane, but china Y20 more big
SkyWhale(๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧C2(๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧
22機でしたっけ？それだけしか導入されないのは悲しい。 ラピッドドラゴンもどきもあるし増やしてもいいのでは
Japan ro Hawaii? Now that sounds familiar
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🙂↔️🙂↔️🙂↔️
早く、C-2を民間利用できるようにして頂きたいです。
its a beuty
Beauty
Brazil's Embraer can't fly without American engines, American avionics, and American critical components. Kawasaki is actually Made in Japan.
What are you talking about? They use 2x General Electric CF-6 engines. They use Brazilian iron for the fuselage, only the KMS6115 composite is made in Japan.
chora mais
Infelizmente é um fato, a Embraer procura voluntariamente a extrema dependência da tecnologia americana
Embraer also uses Colin Aerospace control system
American Engineering is what enables both Japan and Brazil to even build anything. Secondly, the GE engines on the Kawasaki are made by a GE & Mitsubishi joint project. A technology transfer.
Sorry, but it is far, far below the Embraer KC-390.
C17 better -why you do old... Do About Saar6 to IrinSting new Tech
機体規模とペイロード的に考えてA400Mじゃろ？C-17は1ランク大きいクラスだし、KC-390はハークがライバル。
Thank you for re-uploading. I'm very happy!
The reason for the deployment of the C-2 is not only overseas deployment missions, but also changes in defense doctrine.
Japan is trying to shift its defense focus to the Okinawa Islands, where friction with China is escalating, and is trying to establish a system to assemble the rapid response units (called the "即応機動連隊(rapid response mobile regiment)", a small mechanized regiment centered around the Type 16 MCV) deployed throughout the Japanese archipelago in the Okinawa Islands in the event of an emergency.
As a means to achieve this, the C-2, with its excellent payload, range and speed, is an important item.
Too bad this program had both external and internal issues which extended the development by several years. Also, the absence of international partners didn't give it a larger built-in customer base.
Baby globemaster
のちの米ラピッドドラゴン発射のための巡航ミサイル運搬装置だろ、これはもう。
Japan beats Brazil in range, payload, maintenance, quality, and guess what else? Price.
Deve ser por isso que ninguém compra C2 e muitos estão comprando C390😂
C2 is very expensive
Looks great for a transport plane.
India poor😂😂
Japan also buys the new C-130. The c27 spartan is not a good plane. He took to USA and retired early. They were not satisfied. If the Japanese were smart, they would offer it to the Turks. I think they would take it. they need.
Twin jet is questionable choice for military transport where fuel economy and maintenance cost is a secondary consideration.
Basically cargo plane must be able to takeoff with one engine failed. So for a plane with say 100 tons of capacity on all engine, a quad jet can safely fly 75, whereas a twin jet can only fly 50. This is why the C2 has substantially lower load capacity than the IL76 despite having more total thrust than the latter.
For a military transport, this can be the difference of whether the plane can carry a MBT or not.
I would guess C2 was deliberately crippled this way so it cannot compete with C17.
Unless you see these planes taking off/landing in places directly under enemy fire, the engine-out problem isnever more dramatic during last 50 years or so, as engine reliability has gone way up. Civilian planes TOO requre OEI (one engine inoperative) operation, especially at start and still need to be able to show positive rate of climb even on single engine (using emergency power rating of the remaining engine, which ofcourse reduces its remaining service life).
So no, just like in civilian use, the "main" big transport aircraft are overwhelmingly using two engines configuration, just like for example the C390, and it's not a problem. A400 only has 4 engines bcse it's turboprop, and there are no such big turboprop engines that produce enough power in only 2 of them.
C 2 shouldn't be compared with Il 76, or at least you should compare it with the right variant. Compare C 2 with the latest model of Il 76 make no sense since its a strategic airlifter.
@@mrmakhno3030 Why not, Il76 is only 2.5 meter longer than the C2. Empty Il76 weight 92.5 tonnes vs C2 69 tonnes, yet the four D-30KP produce total of only 470kN vs C2's twin GE CF6 531kN.
So the two planes are roughly the same size, but C2 is lighter and have more powerful engines, yet the 4 engine Il76 has a lift capacity of 50 tonnes vs 36 for the twin jet C2.
Guess what, double the C2 capacity 36*2 = 72, and 72*(3/4) = 54 which is roughly the capacity of a Il76.
Had the C2 been fitted with quad jet, it would be able to safely lift much more.
(C17 is 53m long and is much larger than the Il76)
@@moss550 Carrying capacity of old models Il-76 is 42/48t, only the latest MD-90A version has 60t, while having among other things reworked wing, which has 10% bigger wingspan and also higher surface area.
You could say C-2 (which has btw. max capacity of 37,6t) is over-engined but otherwise far lighter built, and smaller, thus no wonder it can carry less load. It wasn't REQUIRED to carry more. Yes it fails to transport MBT, but that is for many countries not the requirement...
If you like to compare it to anything, compare it to C-390... same concept, same number of engines, about 50% more capacity...
Trust me, if Japan would be serious about offering C-2 to international customers, there are many who would take these parameters for interresting (also the range!) and for right price would consider it.
This plane was designed to use Japanese runways, especially regional runways which have shorter distance. I won't get into it, but it was designed for specific cargo, enemies, and runways in mind.