Do you ever wonder why people leave negative reviews on steam for Rivals of Aether? Are they Brawlhalla fanboys or is something actually wrong with the game? #RivalsofAether
Another element of Rivals that can be brutal for new players: defense is incredibly demanding. If you panic and burn your airdodge (as new players will tend to do), you're now a punching bag. There's no option to turtle up in your shield against projectiles, each one needs to be individually parried with fairly strict timing in an online environment. You can't simply press up B and go to the ledge, recovery is an elaborate mixup game. These can all feel like fun and skill-rewarding aspects of the game once you know what you're doing, but before that point...yikes. It can be tough.
Yeah, I'm not great at the game, but those are all things that i think makes the game good and unique. However you're also right that those things take time to learn let alone master.
When I started out playing the game I got my ass beat (I still do). The people that spend everyday practicing short hop combos into the blast zone, I love the game and Flashy goodness is an epic music man. If the game has a better way to teach the new players about the game's mechanic as well a way to get into the game, also please make the A.I better so casuals can be a little better
Oddly enough I was playing Rivals last night and got destroyed by Wrastor. I wasn't pissed. I was thrown into this void of confusion. "How do I fight a bird? I can't fly! These characters don't prefer the air like Falc... Wrastor!" Melee had Falco Master 3000. Rivals has Buff Wrastor Master Bastard 69.
The in game tutorial got me to understand the importaint stuff. But in order to improve to where you won't be a sand bag in online. I had to engage with the community, join the discord as well the community learning server... Even got a casual coach to teach me stuff. So yeah, it's not for casuals... That's defs needs to fix.
That's something that needs to be fixed?? They provide an incredibly in-depth tutorial. Mastery of a game takes time. I don't think it's a developer oversight that a game is incredibly nuanced
@@yourboy9236 If you wait ages for a match online and the person you DO get matched against is so much better you're dead before you can learn anything, it's an issue. The game teaches you these tools, but you won't learn how to use them properly against RoA's godawful bots. You go online and get destroyed, or you play with bots and don't learn anything. Those are the options the game presents to you, and you have to go out of your way (like what OP did) just to learn anything useful.
you cant force people to learn and you cant hold their hands either, if they do it wouldnt feel rewarding, i've been improving a lot and some of these matches feel like the best of my life that i couldnt been able to enjoy if my opponents were lazier and resorted in an easier tactic or a cheapest playstyle instead of pure skill the thing about roa is that the game can truly be enjoyed when you are a hardcore player with 1000+ hours against another with 2000+ player trying your best and giving your all, if the game was casual it would be a shiity smash clone
This video has aged so well after this past year. Looking back. We have a “solution” to dlc issue In the definitive edition. (We’re even getting more free characters) We’re getting rollback this summer. And workshop has created an outlet for casuals. Unreal to think of where we’re headed even with rivals 2
true. Its more of an issue with them being in the middle of the screen for people who didn't buy them y'know. Its kind of the reason why on-disc dlc in capcom games is so terrible.
@@madeinshinea7371 I agree it'd happen less often but I'm not planning on the top rank let alone taking sets off the highest of that rank. I agree with the statement git gud, but ranked seems like a flawed system And I'll also mention down here that I'm focusing more on ultimate atm
While I agree with all the main points, Rivals is still an amazing game. The best platform fighter, I think. Though Dan really needs to do something about allowing more casual players to get into the game. It's made for veterans of the genre and that is really hurting the game, hopefully definitive does something about that.
@@willdg8108 Wait, we're already complaining that Rivals is too hard for casuals to get into, and claiming this is a huge piece of what's hurting the game... Then you say Melee is better because it's harder to get into?
Demon519 this is disconnected to the video I think it’s better since there’s a higher skip cap and it’s more technical The difficulty to get into is a side effect of these traits
@@yon8461 they said that you cant get half of the cast without paying, there is 14 characters in total, and you can get 8 for free, i was being sarcastic and stating that half of 14 is NOT 6, therefore you can get more than half of the cast without paying
@@finnfinity9711 as a top 500 with over 2000 hours and 2300 elo and every character unlocked legit with gold wit all white skins, it was way to accurate
I honestly think Sandbert is the perfect casual character, and here is why. A recovery that allows the player to understand "Okay so if I press this, I can try to get back to the stage", simple Tilts and Dash attacks to understand how to string together combos, and Shine for newcomers who understand Melee, and want an easy way to step in while feeling right at home with their controller rape for "Competitive Play"
Seeing people call the mess that is brawlhalla better than rivals makes me want to write a full essay about how much brawlhalla sucks as a fighting game Thats coming from someone with 800 hours on brawlhalla
@@mauroramondo5855 frame 3 i-frames that lasts for 14 frames and has no endlag And you can do it in 9 different ways And you can cancel the stationary one at any point with a move
@@harryvpn1462 what a fun game, i love it when i get hit because i outplayed my opponent but he was mashing dodge through my combo so uh-oh, guess that's his combo now F a i r & B a l a n c e d
God same omg. The hitboxes all being a circle make 90% of hits feel so bad because your hitbox can be hit when its so far away from the body. Plus priority is so inconsistent like which moves will win a trade just seems random. Both Rivals and Brawlout fee leagues better than brawlhalla to play. The only thing i like about brawlhalla is gravcancels
I bought the game in March or so as a semi decent competitive Smash player. I got my shit kicked in. I’ve improved mechanics and stuff and still get my shit kicked in. I find it challenging and fun nonetheless!
I've been sick with a fever of 104 for the past week. When I move my head hurts. I finally got down to 100.8, then, I watched this video and I laughed so hard that it's back to 104 lol
lowkey i dont even play maypul anymore, and i was meming on my review if the 566 hours wasn't evident of that. still really funny to see me in there. Also, ranno is worse than wrastor.
@@jakezepeda1267 The reason I said ranno was because his frame data is crazy. Every move comes out really fast while some have lingering hitboxes. He's a cool character though, maypul is fast too. So I can see someone spamming moves quick. Also, online makes it kind of hard to parry at times
This was good video. I really hope they would fix the connection problems and possibly give some new "casual-friendly" game modes so ppl would have better time to learn how to play without getting gatekeeped in casual mode by top 10 players with Wrastors.
I mean the game has a better tutorial than smash bros ever had. It's a bit of a chore but you can learn about many advanced tech and character specific shenans. You can also train your combos with the cpu since it's not very challenging and there are very few defensive options. Other than that, if you're able to play smash somewhat competently then you can play this game. But they need to enhance the pairing system.
@@nemesisalex9424 while I can't comment on 64 since i know nothing about it's mechanics, I would say the smash games in general have good, well-designed tutorials for new people- even Melee, if we remember that Sakurai never envisioned foxes waveshining people back & forth across the whole stage and all the other crazy tech there is like ledgedashes, and all the other crazy stuff the community was able to discover & exploit- so for the average player the tutorials are fine. The practice modes ain't great but what can you expect from a party game? /s (i love smash)
10 mistakes that Rivals of Aether makes. 10. Wrastor is playable 9. Wrastor is playable 8. Wrastor is playable 7. Wrastor is playable 6. Wrastor is playable 5. Wrastor is playable 4. Wrastor is playable 3. Wrastor is playable 2. Wrastor is playable 1. Wrastor is playable
I seen it first hand when a cousin of mine first downloaded rivals of aether thanks to me recommending it to him and every time he goes online he always fight the same person but maybe it’s because there weren’t many people playing at the time
I love how all 3 of these of these have been somewhat improved on since this video was uploaded. DLC has been removed, rollback netcode has been added and the UI has been improved to make tutorials easier to find. It shows just how much the devs care about the player's enjoyment of the game (even if wrastor's still broken)
I recently bought rivals like 2 months ago and the once thing that prevented me from getting the ever-loving shit beat out of me is: *the fact that I played melee*
I haven't played in a while but I remember the reason why I only played casual. It was because you couldn't rematch in Ranked. I loved finding someone I would have really close matches with and just rematching for hours. That was some of my best times with Rivals.
my biggest issue has always been the competitive scene. Don't get me wrong, i believe most games benefit greatly from having a competitive side to it, but if it's not kept in check, it'll consume the entire game. I for a long time thought i was "Ok" at the game. I can wavedash, moonwalk, perform some of the trickier combos such as ranno's bubble recovery, etc. I fully believed I was a "beginner" level player. not good, but not bad either. And then I hopped into a tournament. What was supposed to be a weekly 'amateur/beginner' tournament specifically for 'low-mid level players' I thought i was a beginner. i thought i was on the lower end of the ladder, with just enough skill to maybe make it past the first round or at least take one single stock off of my opponent. I'm not even on the ladder. 'Beginner' here, means "1000+ hours." I walked in with 422 hours on the game, having studied my frame data, memorized my main and my counters, all of it. and then I got 3 stocked by an olympia in less than 5 seconds per life. Then I went into the loser's bracket. I fought a second olympia. and got 3-stocked again. only this time, it took around 8 or so seconds for them to spike me each life. I was lucky just to land a couple attacks that time, but i couldn't secure the combo. Even after having practiced on tracking both random and perfect D.I. a.i's, the way they moved was too much to keep up with. It was like they had no hit stun, and just instantly went into int-fall the second they were knocked into the air! That. is what 'beginner' means in rivals of aether. Don't go into this game if you plan on playing with people outside your friend group. Don't go into this game if you don't plan on grinding and studying it each and every day to keep up with the people here. It's not a casual game.
Here. Instead of all the whining about Rivals of Aether I hear about Some advice if you're new. Before you even think of going Online, where you will probably get destroyed; and want to whine & rage quit on day 1... When I 1st started RoA; I went straight to the Options Menu, & tweaked everything. Then created my Profile, set up my Controls, fine tuned everything, & playseted the entire roster. And became a Forsburn main. Do that. Tweak those options, make that Profile, & set Controls to your liking. Every instruction manual I've ever read since Super Mario Bros or DOOM, has said similar things to this. Next Go to the Tutorial Mode. Complete it. Seriously. Complete it. ALL OF IT. Do not stop, until you get frustrated & want to thrash a few COMs, play the Tetherball Mode if you have it, pretending it's Orby's sandbag variant, take a break, or reinvent a spoken language by screaming into a pillow. When you're feeling up to it, go, & kick that Tutorial Mode's Orby shaped ass. Finish that Mode. Get advice from UA-cam Videos on how to get past where you're stuck. Then download Orby from the RoA Steam Workshop; & kick that spherical crystal ball around the Stages like a Tetherball. It's therapy. You will not only learn the game, but have a sense of accomplishment. We all have to start somewhere. The Master Rival Achievement will be a testament to how dedicated you really are to learning RoA. It's what separates the truly dedicated Rivals players from the posers & whiners. There's a very small percentage of gamers who even have this very Achievement. I've gotten it, on 3 different platforms; meaning I did 3x the amount of Tutorial Mode. I have never wanted to thrash Orby so bad as I do now. Thank you Workshop Mode, along with whoever made Orby. Now I can take frustrations out on it... Then, go to Practice Mode, go in by yourself, no COMs, set the Stages to "Aether Mode" - go to the Gates of Aether, with the 2... shadowy eyes, the Gate Guardian Stage, and Practice with Dodging, Parrying, Drifting, etc... the Aether Mode of the Aethereal Gates will see the Stage attack you, at random, just like the Aether Guardians in Abyss Mode; and Practice defending yourself against the attacks the Stage hits you with. Adjust the Game Speed, turn on Hitboxes, DI Assists, whatever, and practice at Defensive side of the game, until it becomes 2nd nature. This has helped me understand the DI Mechanics, Parrying (I'm still need to work on it) Dodging, Teching, Recovery & as a bonus, understanding the Gate Guardian Boss encounters. Parrying those eye lasers & massive ball of energy has never looked so cool. Any of its Attacks can be Parried, but the massive laser from the platform is best avoided... Complete the Story Mode. Get all the Golds. All. The. Golds. Do not stop; until you have all Gold. You have 3 min per Character's Story, to qualify for a Gold Medal. You have 20 minutes of overall tine taken in Story Mode, to get The Speedy Rival Achievement, having gotten all Golds. You can totally do this, & you know it. If thousands of others can do it; ao can you. This is an acid test to see how patient & dedicated you really are. I'm a Smash Bros vet since N64, & I can tell - Speedy Rival Achievement is extremely difficult & frustrating to get. Let alone on 3 different game systems. But damned if I don't love Rivals of Aether that much to go through 3x the hell for those Gold Medals. You wanna feel good about yourself? Get The Speedy Rival Achievement, & the Lone Rival Achievement. It's too hard! I hear you saying - it took me forever to get these Achievements, on 3 different gaming platforms - that's getting these Achievements, 3x over. I have never been so utterly infuriated yelling at a game, since Turbo Tunnel in Battle Toads. But I persisted, watched Speed Run Videos, & got those Gold Medals in Story Mode. And I am terrible with most of the Rivals roster, especially Wrastor, Orcane & Maypul. So my clear times for Gold barely get by. Afterwards, get all the Character's Milestones done - you'll get a sense of appreciation for each Character. Explore. Branch out. Play other Fighting Games; play their Tutorials. Soulcalibur taught me range, Tekken taught me how to be technical, Virtua Fighter taught me patience, Street Fighter taught me Special Inputs, projectiles, etc. Guilty Gear & Blazblue taught me how Combo. Smash Bros 64, Melee, Brawl, Wii U, 3DS, Ultimate, taught me platform fighters. Killer Instinct taught me a myriad of things, like timing. Mortal Kombat taught me persistence... that damn Konquest Mode Tutorial was a nightmare, as was Shao Kahn on MK3. Other games, like side scrolling platformers, taugh me well, platforming. Boxing games like Fight Night, or UFC games taught me how to economize my fighting style. Rivals of Aether taught me, well... a little bit of everything, and how to tie it all together. And to never quit, never give up. Always see things as a learning experience, even defeat. How did I loose? I did something wrong, I made mistakes. But I can learn from those mistakes. Now, I do agree; Online Mode does need work, I've only played 1 match, & got destroyed by an Elliana. I'm not upset about that in the slightest; because this tells me; I need to improve, a lot. So I practice with all COMs in VS Mode, constantly learning & sharpening my skills. I don't have a "system" of how I do things, I just go with my instincts - something I learned from Smash & other fighting games. Now, as for RoA's value? For the price of admission; I don't feel cheated in the slightest. I knew what I was getting into. It's a gamble. Sometimes you luck out, sometimes you don't. RoA happened to be the luck of the draw (unlike Bounty Battle... good premise, poor execution, I don't recommend Bounty Battle, personally, it was disappointing) but RoA is one of those games that may not be perfect, but it doesn't have to be; not to me at least, otherwise I wouldn't have it on 3 different platforms, sinking hours of my time into simply playing it for the fun of it. Hell, I find it relaxing; the menu screen music alone helps with my anxiety, the calming tones cause me to be more relaxed. And then you have a Steam Workshop!? The ability to make my own Stages & Characters!? You're gonna have me cheating on Smash Bros... and that's saying a lot. Anyway; these are my personal opinions. I really want this game to do well; it's a rare gem, in a desert of gaming & entertainment, and I look forward to seeing how it will shape up. I learned something from a box of Board Games, "let defeat make you better, not bitter." Don't let the negative reviews discourage you; learn from them. If there's a reason to complain; find out why. If a kitchen sink has a drainage issue; then you'd want to fix it. It's good to see developers take criticism and use it for making improvements to their creations. We need more people like that in the world Any road, thanks to everyone who made Rivals of Aether the great game that it is.
Also, I can see how Wrastor seems broken, going after the Speedy Rival Achievement... Sigh... 3x over... why do I do this to myself... right, OCD... and a love of the game... I love this game, that much... and I am terrible at Wrastor. Speed Runners make it easy; getting Golds with each Character, whereas I just neander my way through it... Wrastor is basically my worst character, followed by Orcane & Maypul, in that order. I can pull off the intended strategies the Speed Run videos teach; but the AI is mostly a matter of luck, and in Story Mode; they don't cooperate. So my Gold Medal times put me in the middle of the road Ranking... barely getting by with my worst Characters, but acing it with my best, and even then I struggle to get Gold... a billion tries later. So no, Wrastor is not broken in any good way, for me at least. And fighting him is a pain in the ass... along with Orcane... & Kragg... Go after The Speedy Rival Achievement; and you'll see. The Speedy Rival Achievement made me hate most of the Characters, the Lone Rival Achievement made me love them again. It made me feel emotions; on both sides of the spectrum; Hatred for the Speedy Rival, self loathing for the Lone Rival, frustration for the Master Rival, but getting those Achievements made my feel something I rarely feel in gaming, nowadays; a sense of accomplishment; like I overcame something that seemed impossible. And when it was all said & done; I fell back in love with the game & its roster, letting go of all that frustration & hatred I built up for the Speedy Rival Achievement. Smash Bros has a lot of these, most of them have loopholes. Older games have moments like these, but you can cheat your way through them. But not RoA, no, this achieved through pure skill, pure luck, pure dedication. When I cleared Story Mode; got all the Gold Medals, was presented with my clear time of 16 minutes or so, with that ending music playing to match; that made me feel something, that hit me in the feels, the way very few other games have done. Funny how a small, pixelated icon can stir up such emotions, I teared up, that 16 minute clear time, those Gold Medals, those 3 Achievement pop ups... Speedy Rival, Lone Rival, Opening the Gates... I earned that. I sweated for that. I yelled & cursed myself hoarse for that. That meant something to me. And I am not that great with the majority of the RoA roster, especially Wrastor. Or, other Characters seem broken or just not my style... Except for 2. But it's all perfectly fine by me; as long as I have Forsburn & Elliana, I'm good with that, as no othe Characters can scratch that same itch as these 2. Besides; ya gotta love a skull mask & a mech. Anyway; if an okay at best player like me can learn this game, get the hardest Achievements done; 3x over, learn to code for Character Creation on Steam Workshop, when I have zero clue of what I'm doing, then I'm sure anyone can - those Rankings in Story Mode are seemingly bottomless pits of Clear Times for a reason, & while I'll probably never even dream of reaching the top, I don't need to, just to enjoy my game, those Gold Medals alone, just below the 3 minute mark, are enough for me, I just wanted to get the hard stuff out of the way; and leisurely enjoy my VS Mode Bot thrashing sessions. --
As someone who had to climb up that skill curve I completely agree that online rivals is full of people better than you and the design of the game makes it so that better players not only win, but can win HARD. It is brutal especially if that's where you start. Fortunately there is a couple of saving graces, First: Dan is working on definitive to clear up the DLC issue as well as expand to the switch. Second: online has akways and will always be somewhat unreliable, but without servers to streamline connections, a frankly... not terrible just really lazy, matchmaking setup coupled with a small number of players means you tend to get matched to the same people and if they are better than you, or as is often the case, MUCH better than you, you can't really do anything except log on later and hope there's more people close to your level AND THEN YOU HOLD ONTO THAT PERSON FOR DEAR LIFE! Third: I think abyss is super under-rated for developing skills. It's a weird tutorial in its own right. Each task requires a different kind of skill, zoning, moving quickly, launching in a specific direction, being evasive... but you have to beat story first and then grind pretty hard in abyss to develop those skills and you will STILL get trashed, just not as hard. The game would be better for casuals if the game had more modes like abyss and turbo that were intended for more casual play to just mess around with, and once I can go online, join a four way free-for-all runes-on lobby. I can start pulling in friends and we don't have to all go to one person's house where the best player in the room becomes the only one having fun.
this video was so entertaining and I don't know why. I've only played rivals for about 5 hours and thought it was okay but stopped playing it. I think every point you brought up was exactly how I felt about the game. 8 characters is weak, online was mediocre for me and took forever to find someone, and when I did... I got the shit kicked out of me. I don't hate the game but now I see why I stopped playing it.
I bought this game recently on Switch for $25CAD, and have been loving every second of it. As someone who plays Smash competitively, this game is amazing for me
I'm gonna have to say the tutorial did a lot for me and I wish something equivalent was in smash. This is my first platform fighter (I played brawl as a kid but at the time didn't know about professional competitive video gaming), and this taught me things I didn't even know I didn't know.
I see why people complain about the dlc but it never bothered me that much. Indie devs put so much heart into their games and even if there’s problems I’m fine with giving them money if it helps them fix these problems.
I think Dan just pulled the biggest ace up his sleeve. If whatever way the workshop thingie works is easy enough to use and people make great stuff, this will make the game WAY better for casuals. They'll still have to learn about tech, but the ability to pick up stupid broken fun characters makes it more appealing. There could also be broken characters so people of higher skill levels can fight against newbies without completely destroying them. If this stuff works, it'll carry the game to a whole new direction since it'll be the only platform fighter that gives people this much creative freedom, I think people could even buy the game just to make a character. And Dan said you'll be able to use workshop characters on matchmaking so that'll be a reason for dedicated players to go to ranked.
Awesome video! I don't even know where I fit into the Rivals spectrum. I have over 250 hours logged into the game, all of which are either in local 1v1 or in Abyss mode. Can we talk about how Abyss mode is this INSANE grindfest? Don't get me wrong, I really love the mode, but it takes an ENORMOUS amount of time to complete. Especially if you do it solo, which I would not recommend to anyone... even though it's in the Solo modes section! Surely they could have made getting Rival Destination (or whatever it's called) a bit easier. To be honest, I'm too scared to go online, since I know that even with ~250 hours I'm probably complete garbage haha
There's also small QoL features, bug fixes, and tweaks people have been wanting like: -The player icons switching (or being default) in replays -Your buddy switching with who you last played when in the practice window -Currently the little blue button you press to see their Steam profiles has been bugged for a few patches and shows a random profile -Player/Region Blacklist -Let you save replays instantly instead of having to wait/skip (I miss the skip like 10% of the time and it tilts me)
an interesting example to compare is ARMS (which I play competitively) It too has a small community of competitive players and isn't very noob friendly since there are many gimmicks that only work at low level, and uncontrolled spamming (controlled spamming, aka 'boxing' is much better and more nuanced ) drops off in viability quickly as you get better. Ranked is also dead, but ARMS has a lobby system for both competitive 1v1s (which may be in rivals, idk) and a casual lobby where more than one game can go on at a time. This leads to many top players playing friendlies and having tournaments in competitive lobbies, and groups such as www.casualarms.net/ utilizing the casual lobbies to great effect. From what you describe, rivals would benefit greatly from lobbies where lets say 4 players can join there, 2 play and 2 spectate (if it doesn't already have something like that). This would allow top players to play each other, and make online tournaments viable, which really helps a small community. (see again, the ARMS community)
How to get good at Rivals of Aether >Go into online >Find a high ping match against a beta tester with +1000 hours, then get destroyed. >Decide to go singleplayer and do all the tutorials, get all the achivements, finish all story modes and get lvl 10 at abyss mode. >Go back into online >Get destroyed because the cpus are shit and you thought you were good for winning against them >Leave negative review
Thank you so much for speaking out against the tutorial. Since I had no real smash experience beforehand, I tried multiple times but couldn't even complete it until like 100 hours in. Even then I barely understood what I was doing and was basically just trying to find the fastest way to get through it. It's really nowhere near as useful as everyone acts like it is.
my first platform fighting game was rivals back when ultimate was first announced. And I sucked, I got my ass kicked about a 100 times before I winning a single game. and now about a year later I have 800+ hours on slap city Roa and smash and now I’m I’m still getting bodied by wrastor
Rivals is a hidden gem, but the fact that my friends aren't interested in the game made me lose interest after about 300 hours. I don't really see the community ever growing enough to fix the skill gap problem. It breaks my heart, but it's just what happens when you make a multiplayer indie game :/ I'd love to see Dan make Rivals under the banner of a AAA studio so that people will take his work more seriously, but even without that, he should be so proud of his game. I hope Riot considers enlisting him when they make their new fighting game 👀
I just bought the game on Xbox and it's not up to date with the pc version can someone explain that? It's actually really odd to me because I haven't seen that before and it honestly makes me really sad. That means I can't waste my not so endless pockets on shovel knight. WHY CANT I HAVE MY SHOVEL BOI?!
Jdauria5 just going to say that it costs more money for characters than a whole game and also that this is a smaller indie game while smash ultimate is one of the biggest Nintendo games
Jdauria5 I’m saying that people complain about the roster size being 8 characters + 6 dlc. That means u pay 15$ for 8/14 while the other 6 are 20$. Smash is an 80 dollar game with almost an 80 character roster with only 5 dlc. Of course people aren’t going to complain that the dlc is more expensive in smash because its a bigger series with many more characters to select. On top of that characters are mostly fan favorites from around the globe so there will be a much higher demands for these said dlc characters.
I really just wanted smash but can't afford a Switch and got tired of Brawlhalla so I bought this and holy shit is it gonna be a long journey to git gud. As for the game's problems, it needs, in my humble bought-this-game-a-week-ago opinion: -Bigger playerbase(please if some big UA-camr is reading this make a video on RoA that isn't about the workshop characters) -Interesting characters, gameplay-wise they're good but as characters they are sooo uninteresting. They're just animals with some element. This is why Smash is more popular, because the characters are iconic. -Servers -Better ranked matchmaking -Nerf Wrastor, or even better, *delete him* -More characters, I think these 14 aren't enough, maybe add some of the really well designed workshop characters
-Rivals has been on it's way to getting a bigger playerbase for a while now, just give it some time. Direct 2 has brought many new eyes to the game, not to mention the Switch port. -Devs have said numerous times that Shovel Knight is the final character, which is understandable as adding more characters would only increase the amount of time the devs spend nerfing/buffing their characters, which wouldn't be a good idea when they're so close to the finish line. -Of course Smash has more recognizable characters than Rivals, it's owned by Nintendo. It doesn't matter what Rivals used for it's characters, they would look "uninteresting" in comparison. -Rivals uses P2P, which is a much better option compared to servere for fighting games. Not to mention that the Rivals dev team is small, and they don't have the time or resources to make or maintain a server system. -Define "better". -Wrastor keeps getting nerfed every patch lol. -I would like to point out that some time ago the devs said "We are looking into ways we could bring original workshop characters to the game", and then less then a week later they hired the creator of Mollo as an official part of the dev team.
my problem with the game is that a lot of stages and skins are "limited editions" and some locked behind irl tournaments. I just want my taco Kragg goddammit!
It’s kinda funny how PC and Xbox have opposite issues with online modes. it’s almost all ranked on Xbox. Sometimes I just wanna play the game without worrying about losing rank if I lose.
As a long time brawlhalla player trying to get into this game I can agree with some of the comments made in the video about just trying to learn the damn game. The main problem with Rivals is that no one plays ranked so if you suck you won't be ranked with other people who suck but are slightly better, you'll get matched up against people who will zero to death you within seconds. This wouldn't be a problem if there was an after game chat, even though this could increase toxicity it would help players who are worse at the game get better by allowing an opportunity for the better player to give tips. Honestly, i hate to compare games, but brawlhalla has an elo system to where you *usually* get matched up against people 100-150 more elo than you and this isnt a problem because you get 10-25 elo each match. Then again brawlhalla has a much larger playerbase so of course ranks will be more accurate.
Guilty Gear Xrd is the only fighting game I've ever seen do tutorials right. It really eases the learning *blockade* that is inherent in most fighters.
I've always wanted to really get into this game and I'm used to competitive games where I'm up against gods...but I keep getting paired up with people from across the world! I live in Australia and the only people I've been paired with are from America or fucking Denmark Plus side I've got a friend in Denmark now
That works great for more competitive players, or people already engaging with the community; but asking people to jump through hoops just to play some games is a pretty big ask, especially when most games already do that on default.
I love this game and I cannot agree more, Rivals is for masochist, change my mind, but I guess that's why it nails pretty well to the ones who actually enjoy it, I'm still play other platform fighter games but THIS one is special, while is the most competitive and dificult by far is just for a few people who hate themselves and thinks they deserve the pain in online encounters
almost forgot, for the casual problem, I would preffer if they add more game modes, less competitive ones, focused on a more chaotic gameplay or even cooperative ones, those would be more friendly with new ones and would let them learn more about the game without being brutally killed, I guess I would stick on classic online matches but that would be something else to check out for new players, I love the abyss mode but I have no friends to play it :(
As far as single player content, this doesn't even mention that Abyss is locked behind completing the story mode by default. Even though story isn't very long and Abyss is kind of a spoiler for it, they should really just make it available from the start and award a chunk of Dan coins for completing story instead imo. Making it more appealing to casuals though idk. If Rivals wants to have competition as its goal then I think that's good niche and changes to the base game shouldn't have to be made for the most part, it's players coming in with different expectations thanks to Smash that's more the problem. I'm not gonna go into UNIST and get pissed that the tutorials aren't action-packed, I'm gonna get my ass beat for 30 hours minimum, and there isn't much outside of competitive fights. Fixing the online would go miles to make it less frustrating online, just gotta hope that it brings an influx of players willing to give it a shot.
I'm so glad this wasn't just a half-assed meme video full of jump cuts and boring one liners to quickly address all the problems. Swear to god, those videos are not funny at all.
I don't know why UA-cam thought they should put this vid into my recommendations, but I love your editing style and humor! So I'll just leave a sub and go on check out what else you got in store and wait for what is yet to come =P
The biggest flaw of RoA is even for people that want to grind and be better : there is a crazy gap between all the fast spaced character (Zett, Ori, Wraster, Maypul) and the more heavy, more setup oriented characters like Sylvanos, Kragg or Etalus. Not only most fast characers plays the same but they are crazy good; all of them. They also does not requires that much skills to start working. This is the biggest issue with the game and I think it will kill on spot. Setup characters need to be more accessible.
All the points are right! I'm new to the game and I love it (especially in couch coop), but the online play is just stupid, CPU's and tutorial are useless
The one problem I have is that every time I load into a workshop match, I choose a normal balanced character, but the second the other guy loses, they throw a goddamn temper tantrum and either pick ronald or fox. and they always end it with using the forsburn "you got smoked' like what else was supposed to happen mr gets angry when someone is slightly better than them.
In the tutorial’s defense it may be dry but it is still a better tutorial then literally any fighting game I can think SF5, Tek7, Soul, skull girl, guilty gear. Something that would really help new players is to have novel challenges that force you to learn by either removing your options and forcing you to adapt like some guilty gear games or make you use the tools you have in unusual ways like Target Break and home run were in smash. It would also help to have a training room that shows you your hitboxes (good job brawl) and frame data( preferably not locked behind DLC like a certain other game...).
There is actually a certain tutorial section that can't be completed on keyboard, it has to do with some kind of weird di thing but you can't input the direction the game wants you to with a keyboard.
so Rivals was free on Xbox a month or so back, and I told some coworkers who love to play Smash to download it. they return the next day and say, "fuck orby: that game is too hard" lol
I bought rivals early on. I couldnt get into it at all, the game is super fast paced and I dont understand how to not die. Keep in mind... I play Melee
i like how most of these problems were fixed! The workshop made the lack of content barely visible since new stuff comes out basically every day The online has gotten better since you can pick regions and theres more game modes The U.I got an overhaul and its easier to find most of the menus Theres some more casual things like volleyball so overall the game has fully improved!
This video was made and edited while waiting for a match.
u right
Yo wait so long only to find a wraator
“This game is for people who suck at melee.”
Wasn’t that the whole point?
And then the people who are good at Melee played multiplayer against the people who suck at it...
fuck me...
Another element of Rivals that can be brutal for new players: defense is incredibly demanding. If you panic and burn your airdodge (as new players will tend to do), you're now a punching bag. There's no option to turtle up in your shield against projectiles, each one needs to be individually parried with fairly strict timing in an online environment. You can't simply press up B and go to the ledge, recovery is an elaborate mixup game. These can all feel like fun and skill-rewarding aspects of the game once you know what you're doing, but before that point...yikes. It can be tough.
Rivals is hard
Yeah, I'm not great at the game, but those are all things that i think makes the game good and unique. However you're also right that those things take time to learn let alone master.
Just use up special after airdodge, ez
or clairen's dspecial
or just play clairen lmao
When I started out playing the game I got my ass beat (I still do). The people that spend everyday practicing short hop combos into the blast zone, I love the game and Flashy goodness is an epic music man. If the game has a better way to teach the new players about the game's mechanic as well a way to get into the game, also please make the A.I better so casuals can be a little better
As someone who tried to pick up this game but dropped it (for now) to play guilty gear I couldn't agree more.
Matchmaking is so much fun, being matched with someone who has 1000+ hours invested in the game is fun.
As someone with 2000+ hours I agree
God, I know that feeling. The shitty end of the stick has gotten me too many times
I played Rivals of Aether with all 10 levels character mastery
It's a fucking game if you dont like it dont play it but why do people waste time fighting about it lol
@@G3RM3X617 Because it can be better, and it's good to talk about what can be improved.
"Due to a player population that is lower than my GPA..." cracked me up lmao
Oddly enough I was playing Rivals last night and got destroyed by Wrastor. I wasn't pissed. I was thrown into this void of confusion. "How do I fight a bird? I can't fly! These characters don't prefer the air like Falc... Wrastor!" Melee had Falco Master 3000. Rivals has Buff Wrastor Master Bastard 69.
The in game tutorial got me to understand the importaint stuff. But in order to improve to where you won't be a sand bag in online. I had to engage with the community, join the discord as well the community learning server... Even got a casual coach to teach me stuff.
So yeah, it's not for casuals... That's defs needs to fix.
Hell no I hope they dont make this for casuals
That's something that needs to be fixed?? They provide an incredibly in-depth tutorial. Mastery of a game takes time. I don't think it's a developer oversight that a game is incredibly nuanced
@@yourboy9236 If you wait ages for a match online and the person you DO get matched against is so much better you're dead before you can learn anything, it's an issue. The game teaches you these tools, but you won't learn how to use them properly against RoA's godawful bots. You go online and get destroyed, or you play with bots and don't learn anything. Those are the options the game presents to you, and you have to go out of your way (like what OP did) just to learn anything useful.
One word. Ronald
you cant force people to learn and you cant hold their hands either, if they do it wouldnt feel rewarding, i've been improving a lot and some of these matches feel like the best of my life that i couldnt been able to enjoy if my opponents were lazier and resorted in an easier tactic or a cheapest playstyle instead of pure skill
the thing about roa is that the game can truly be enjoyed when you are a hardcore player with 1000+ hours against another with 2000+ player trying your best and giving your all, if the game was casual it would be a shiity smash clone
I'm the most casual of the casual when it comes to fighting games so pretty much all of the reasons listed are why I don't play the game lol
I just need a controller.
This video has aged so well after this past year. Looking back.
We have a “solution” to dlc issue In the definitive edition. (We’re even getting more free characters)
We’re getting rollback this summer.
And workshop has created an outlet for casuals.
Unreal to think of where we’re headed even with rivals 2
To be fair, Shovel knight and Ori are from their own games, and they are collaboration characters, so it makes sense that they are more expensive.
true. Its more of an issue with them being in the middle of the screen for people who didn't buy them y'know. Its kind of the reason why on-disc dlc in capcom games is so terrible.
They should reset the ranked more often, I hit platinum and now I can't play ranked without actually getting destroyed
Then git gud
@@madeinshinea7371 your not wrong... But your not right either...
@@YangyChaddyDad just grind more m8 then you would bot get destroyed
@@madeinshinea7371 I agree it'd happen less often but I'm not planning on the top rank let alone taking sets off the highest of that rank.
I agree with the statement git gud, but ranked seems like a flawed system
And I'll also mention down here that I'm focusing more on ultimate atm
@@madeinshinea7371 Quality advice
While I agree with all the main points, Rivals is still an amazing game. The best platform fighter, I think. Though Dan really needs to do something about allowing more casual players to get into the game. It's made for veterans of the genre and that is really hurting the game, hopefully definitive does something about that.
Zora is say melee and smash ultimate are better all around stuff stages features characters items online and all around fun
@@willdg8108 I should've specified, it's the best *competitive* platform fighter
Zora id say melee is better tbh it’s harder to be good at and personally I find it more fun
@@willdg8108 Wait, we're already complaining that Rivals is too hard for casuals to get into, and claiming this is a huge piece of what's hurting the game...
Then you say Melee is better because it's harder to get into?
Demon519 this is disconnected to the video I think it’s better since there’s a higher skip cap and it’s more technical
The difficulty to get into is a side effect of these traits
Ok but remember how you cant get half of the cast if you dont pay and there is a ingame currency thats completly useless haha thats great
You can get pets animals for your animals.... is that like slavery or a weird fetish
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half of 14 is 6? sure
@@StellarSkiess wut
@@yon8461 they said that you cant get half of the cast without paying, there is 14 characters in total, and you can get 8 for free, i was being sarcastic and stating that half of 14 is NOT 6, therefore you can get more than half of the cast without paying
"Brawlhalla just doesn't even have characters."
You truly are my favorite ...
It has fists and weapons as characters xD
As a dedicated Brawlhalla player with almost 600 hours, this was way to accurate
@@finnfinity9711 as a top 500 with over 2000 hours and 2300 elo and every character unlocked legit with gold wit all white skins, it was way to accurate
@@dalferu and stats
In mother brawlhalla the weapons are the characters
Rivals of Aether needs a UI overhaul.
Wrastor needs to be removed from the CSS.
I'd take a extended version of all the original characters tracks over a UI overhaul.
I honestly think Sandbert is the perfect casual character, and here is why.
A recovery that allows the player to understand "Okay so if I press this, I can try to get back to the stage", simple Tilts and Dash attacks to understand how to string together combos, and Shine for newcomers who understand Melee, and want an easy way to step in while feeling right at home with their controller rape for "Competitive Play"
That ending is incredible holy shit
Seeing people call the mess that is brawlhalla better than rivals makes me want to write a full essay about how much brawlhalla sucks as a fighting game
Thats coming from someone with 800 hours on brawlhalla
It just feels weird to play overall
Same, to put it simply:
Playing passive is way too rewarding and playing offensive is hard/not rewarding
Also dodge is broken
@@mauroramondo5855 frame 3 i-frames that lasts for 14 frames and has no endlag
And you can do it in 9 different ways
And you can cancel the stationary one at any point with a move
@@harryvpn1462 what a fun game, i love it when i get hit because i outplayed my opponent but he was mashing dodge through my combo so uh-oh, guess that's his combo now
F a i r & B a l a n c e d
God same omg. The hitboxes all being a circle make 90% of hits feel so bad because your hitbox can be hit when its so far away from the body. Plus priority is so inconsistent like which moves will win a trade just seems random. Both Rivals and Brawlout fee leagues better than brawlhalla to play. The only thing i like about brawlhalla is gravcancels
Can't wait for Definitive Edition to fix some of the issues brought up
wrastor for example
lol
I bought the game in March or so as a semi decent competitive Smash player.
I got my shit kicked in. I’ve improved mechanics and stuff and still get my shit kicked in. I find it challenging and fun nonetheless!
I know almost every mechanic and I still get my ass kicked lmao
I've been sick with a fever of 104 for the past week. When I move my head hurts. I finally got down to 100.8, then, I watched this video and I laughed so hard that it's back to 104 lol
lowkey i dont even play maypul anymore, and i was meming on my review if the 566 hours wasn't evident of that. still really funny to see me in there. Also, ranno is worse than wrastor.
That character is the definition of hit buttons quick xD
Mr.Nigel117 Ranni is probably my favorite character in the game
@@plague0p691 I play maypul with the specific goal of hitting a buncha buttons and almost dieing on every edge guard.
@@jakezepeda1267 The reason I said ranno was because his frame data is crazy. Every move comes out really fast while some have lingering hitboxes. He's a cool character though, maypul is fast too. So I can see someone spamming moves quick. Also, online makes it kind of hard to parry at times
@@plague0p691 ah. You said "that character" I thought you meant maypul. my bad.
"Wrastor is ******* broken"
Well you earned that like!
This was good video. I really hope they would fix the connection problems and possibly give some new "casual-friendly" game modes so ppl would have better time to learn how to play without getting gatekeeped in casual mode by top 10 players with Wrastors.
I mean the game has a better tutorial than smash bros ever had. It's a bit of a chore but you can learn about many advanced tech and character specific shenans. You can also train your combos with the cpu since it's not very challenging and there are very few defensive options. Other than that, if you're able to play smash somewhat competently then you can play this game.
But they need to enhance the pairing system.
@@nemesisalex9424 while I can't comment on 64 since i know nothing about it's mechanics, I would say the smash games in general have good, well-designed tutorials for new people- even Melee, if we remember that Sakurai never envisioned foxes waveshining people back & forth across the whole stage and all the other crazy tech there is like ledgedashes, and all the other crazy stuff the community was able to discover & exploit- so for the average player the tutorials are fine.
The practice modes ain't great but what can you expect from a party game? /s (i love smash)
They heard our cries!
10 mistakes that Rivals of Aether makes.
10. Wrastor is playable
9. Wrastor is playable
8. Wrastor is playable
7. Wrastor is playable
6. Wrastor is playable
5. Wrastor is playable
4. Wrastor is playable
3. Wrastor is playable
2. Wrastor is playable
1. Wrastor is playable
You should of looked at the Xbox reviews for this one. It became free just a month ago, so the total rating for the game there dropped to 2.3 stars.
Imagine people playing online on xbox rivals of aether.
I seen it first hand when a cousin of mine first downloaded rivals of aether thanks to me recommending it to him and every time he goes online he always fight the same person but maybe it’s because there weren’t many people playing at the time
"5 dollars for 1 character"
workshop my guy
Video was made 1 year ago +
I love how all 3 of these of these have been somewhat improved on since this video was uploaded. DLC has been removed, rollback netcode has been added and the UI has been improved to make tutorials easier to find. It shows just how much the devs care about the player's enjoyment of the game (even if wrastor's still broken)
"Brawlhala just doesnt even have characters so thats how you get around that issue"
Finally someone said it
I recently bought rivals like 2 months ago and the once thing that prevented me from getting the ever-loving shit beat out of me is: *the fact that I played melee*
Tutorial mode needs a demonstration feature cause trying to do a cancel in to a move goes completely over my head every time.
I haven't played in a while but I remember the reason why I only played casual. It was because you couldn't rematch in Ranked. I loved finding someone I would have really close matches with and just rematching for hours. That was some of my best times with Rivals.
my biggest issue has always been the competitive scene. Don't get me wrong, i believe most games benefit greatly from having a competitive side to it, but if it's not kept in check, it'll consume the entire game.
I for a long time thought i was "Ok" at the game. I can wavedash, moonwalk, perform some of the trickier combos such as ranno's bubble recovery, etc. I fully believed I was a "beginner" level player. not good, but not bad either.
And then I hopped into a tournament. What was supposed to be a weekly 'amateur/beginner' tournament specifically for 'low-mid level players'
I thought i was a beginner. i thought i was on the lower end of the ladder, with just enough skill to maybe make it past the first round or at least take one single stock off of my opponent.
I'm not even on the ladder. 'Beginner' here, means "1000+ hours." I walked in with 422 hours on the game, having studied my frame data, memorized my main and my counters, all of it.
and then I got 3 stocked by an olympia in less than 5 seconds per life. Then I went into the loser's bracket.
I fought a second olympia. and got 3-stocked again. only this time, it took around 8 or so seconds for them to spike me each life. I was lucky just to land a couple attacks that time, but i couldn't secure the combo. Even after having practiced on tracking both random and perfect D.I. a.i's, the way they moved was too much to keep up with. It was like they had no hit stun, and just instantly went into int-fall the second they were knocked into the air!
That. is what 'beginner' means in rivals of aether. Don't go into this game if you plan on playing with people outside your friend group. Don't go into this game if you don't plan on grinding and studying it each and every day to keep up with the people here. It's not a casual game.
Here. Instead of all the whining about Rivals of Aether I hear about
Some advice if you're new.
Before you even think of going Online,
where you will probably get destroyed;
and want to whine & rage quit on day 1...
When I 1st started RoA; I went straight to the Options Menu, & tweaked everything. Then created my Profile, set up my Controls, fine tuned everything, & playseted the entire roster. And became a Forsburn main.
Do that. Tweak those options, make that Profile, & set Controls to your liking. Every instruction manual I've ever read since Super Mario Bros or DOOM, has said similar things to this.
Next
Go to the Tutorial Mode.
Complete it. Seriously. Complete it.
ALL OF IT. Do not stop, until you get frustrated & want to thrash a few COMs, play the Tetherball Mode if you have it, pretending it's Orby's sandbag variant, take a break, or reinvent a spoken language by screaming into a pillow. When you're feeling up to it, go, & kick that Tutorial Mode's Orby shaped ass. Finish that Mode.
Get advice from UA-cam Videos on how to get past where you're stuck.
Then download Orby from the RoA Steam Workshop; & kick that spherical crystal ball around the Stages like a Tetherball. It's therapy.
You will not only learn the game, but have a sense of accomplishment.
We all have to start somewhere.
The Master Rival Achievement will be a testament to how dedicated you really are to learning RoA. It's what separates the truly dedicated Rivals players from the posers & whiners.
There's a very small percentage of gamers who even have this very Achievement. I've gotten it, on 3 different platforms; meaning I did
3x the amount of Tutorial Mode.
I have never wanted to thrash Orby so bad as I do now. Thank you Workshop Mode, along with whoever made Orby. Now I can take frustrations out on it...
Then, go to Practice Mode, go in by yourself, no COMs, set the Stages to "Aether Mode" - go to the Gates of Aether, with the 2... shadowy eyes, the Gate Guardian Stage, and Practice with Dodging, Parrying, Drifting, etc... the Aether Mode of the Aethereal Gates will see the Stage attack you, at random, just like the Aether Guardians in Abyss Mode; and Practice defending yourself against the attacks the Stage hits you with. Adjust the Game Speed, turn on Hitboxes, DI Assists, whatever, and practice at Defensive side of the game, until it becomes 2nd nature.
This has helped me understand the
DI Mechanics, Parrying (I'm still need to work on it) Dodging, Teching, Recovery & as a bonus, understanding the Gate Guardian Boss encounters. Parrying those eye lasers & massive ball of energy has never looked so cool. Any of its Attacks can be Parried, but the massive laser from the platform is best avoided...
Complete the Story Mode.
Get all the Golds. All. The. Golds.
Do not stop; until you have all Gold.
You have 3 min per Character's Story, to qualify for a Gold Medal.
You have 20 minutes of overall tine
taken in Story Mode, to get The Speedy Rival Achievement, having gotten all Golds.
You can totally do this, & you know it.
If thousands of others can do it; ao can you.
This is an acid test to see how patient & dedicated you really are.
I'm a Smash Bros vet since N64, & I can tell - Speedy Rival Achievement is extremely difficult & frustrating to get. Let alone on 3 different game systems. But damned if I don't love Rivals of Aether that much to go through 3x the hell for those Gold Medals.
You wanna feel good about yourself? Get The Speedy Rival Achievement, & the Lone Rival Achievement. It's too hard! I hear you saying - it took me forever to get these Achievements, on 3 different gaming platforms - that's getting these Achievements, 3x over. I have never been so utterly infuriated yelling at a game, since Turbo Tunnel in Battle Toads. But I persisted, watched Speed Run Videos, & got those Gold Medals in Story Mode. And I am terrible with most of the Rivals roster, especially Wrastor, Orcane & Maypul. So my clear times for Gold barely get by.
Afterwards, get all the Character's Milestones done - you'll get a sense of appreciation for each Character.
Explore. Branch out. Play other Fighting Games; play their Tutorials.
Soulcalibur taught me range,
Tekken taught me how to be technical, Virtua Fighter taught me patience, Street Fighter taught me Special Inputs, projectiles, etc. Guilty Gear & Blazblue taught me how Combo. Smash Bros 64, Melee, Brawl, Wii U, 3DS, Ultimate, taught me platform fighters. Killer Instinct taught me a myriad of things, like timing. Mortal Kombat taught me persistence... that damn Konquest Mode Tutorial was a nightmare, as was Shao Kahn on MK3.
Other games, like side scrolling platformers, taugh me well, platforming. Boxing games like Fight Night, or UFC games taught me how to economize my fighting style.
Rivals of Aether taught me, well...
a little bit of everything, and how to tie it all together. And to never quit, never give up. Always see things as a learning experience, even defeat. How did I loose? I did something wrong, I made mistakes. But I can learn from those mistakes.
Now, I do agree; Online Mode does need work, I've only played 1 match, & got destroyed by an Elliana. I'm not upset about that in the slightest; because this tells me; I need to improve, a lot.
So I practice with all COMs in VS Mode, constantly learning & sharpening my skills. I don't have a "system" of how I do things, I just go with my instincts - something I learned from Smash & other fighting games.
Now, as for RoA's value?
For the price of admission;
I don't feel cheated in the slightest.
I knew what I was getting into.
It's a gamble. Sometimes you luck out, sometimes you don't. RoA happened to be the luck of the draw (unlike Bounty Battle... good premise, poor execution, I don't recommend Bounty Battle, personally, it was disappointing)
but RoA is one of those games that may not be perfect, but it doesn't have to be; not to me at least, otherwise I wouldn't have it on 3 different platforms, sinking hours of my time into simply playing it for the fun of it. Hell, I find it relaxing; the menu screen music alone helps with my anxiety, the calming tones cause me to be more relaxed.
And then you have a Steam Workshop!? The ability to make my own Stages & Characters!? You're gonna have me cheating on Smash Bros... and that's saying a lot.
Anyway; these are my personal opinions.
I really want this game to do well; it's a rare gem, in a desert of gaming & entertainment, and I look forward to seeing how it will shape up.
I learned something from a box of Board Games, "let defeat make you better, not bitter."
Don't let the negative reviews discourage you; learn from them.
If there's a reason to complain; find out why. If a kitchen sink has a drainage issue; then you'd want to fix it.
It's good to see developers take criticism and use it for making improvements to their creations.
We need more people like that in the world
Any road, thanks to everyone who made Rivals of Aether the great game that it is.
Also, I can see how Wrastor seems broken, going after the Speedy Rival Achievement...
Sigh... 3x over... why do I do this to myself... right, OCD... and a love of the game... I love this game, that much... and I am terrible at Wrastor.
Speed Runners make it easy; getting Golds with each Character,
whereas I just neander my way through it... Wrastor is basically my worst character, followed by Orcane & Maypul, in that order.
I can pull off the intended strategies the Speed Run videos teach; but the AI is mostly a matter of luck, and in Story Mode; they don't cooperate.
So my Gold Medal times put me in the middle of the road Ranking... barely getting by with my worst Characters, but acing it with my best, and even then I struggle to get Gold... a billion tries later.
So no, Wrastor is not broken in any good way, for me at least. And fighting him is a pain in the ass...
along with Orcane... & Kragg...
Go after The Speedy Rival Achievement; and you'll see.
The Speedy Rival Achievement made me hate most of the Characters, the Lone Rival Achievement made me love them again. It made me feel emotions;
on both sides of the spectrum;
Hatred for the Speedy Rival, self loathing for the Lone Rival, frustration for the Master Rival, but getting those Achievements made my feel something I rarely feel in gaming, nowadays; a sense of accomplishment; like I overcame something that seemed impossible.
And when it was all said & done; I fell back in love with the game & its roster, letting go of all that frustration & hatred I built up for the Speedy Rival Achievement.
Smash Bros has a lot of these, most of them have loopholes. Older games have moments like these, but you can cheat your way through them. But not RoA, no, this achieved through pure skill, pure luck, pure dedication.
When I cleared Story Mode; got all the Gold Medals, was presented with my clear time of 16 minutes or so, with that ending music playing to match; that made me feel something, that hit me in the feels, the way very few other games have done. Funny how a small, pixelated icon can stir up such emotions, I teared up, that 16 minute clear time, those Gold Medals, those 3 Achievement pop ups... Speedy Rival, Lone Rival, Opening the Gates... I earned that.
I sweated for that. I yelled & cursed myself hoarse for that.
That meant something to me.
And I am not that great with the majority of the RoA roster, especially Wrastor. Or, other Characters seem broken or just not my style...
Except for 2.
But it's all perfectly fine by me;
as long as I have Forsburn &
Elliana, I'm good with that, as no othe Characters can scratch that same itch as these 2.
Besides; ya gotta love a skull mask & a mech.
Anyway; if an okay at best player like me can learn this game,
get the hardest Achievements done; 3x over, learn to code for Character Creation on Steam Workshop, when I have zero clue of what I'm doing, then I'm sure anyone can - those Rankings in Story Mode are seemingly bottomless pits of Clear Times for a reason, & while I'll probably never even dream of reaching the top, I don't need to, just to enjoy my game, those Gold Medals alone, just below the 3 minute mark, are enough for me, I just wanted to get the hard stuff out of the way; and leisurely enjoy my VS Mode Bot thrashing sessions.
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As someone who had to climb up that skill curve I completely agree that online rivals is full of people better than you and the design of the game makes it so that better players not only win, but can win HARD. It is brutal especially if that's where you start. Fortunately there is a couple of saving graces,
First: Dan is working on definitive to clear up the DLC issue as well as expand to the switch.
Second: online has akways and will always be somewhat unreliable, but without servers to streamline connections, a frankly... not terrible just really lazy, matchmaking setup coupled with a small number of players means you tend to get matched to the same people and if they are better than you, or as is often the case, MUCH better than you, you can't really do anything except log on later and hope there's more people close to your level AND THEN YOU HOLD ONTO THAT PERSON FOR DEAR LIFE!
Third: I think abyss is super under-rated for developing skills. It's a weird tutorial in its own right. Each task requires a different kind of skill, zoning, moving quickly, launching in a specific direction, being evasive... but you have to beat story first and then grind pretty hard in abyss to develop those skills and you will STILL get trashed, just not as hard. The game would be better for casuals if the game had more modes like abyss and turbo that were intended for more casual play to just mess around with, and once I can go online, join a four way free-for-all runes-on lobby. I can start pulling in friends and we don't have to all go to one person's house where the best player in the room becomes the only one having fun.
You didn’t lie. Rivals video in the next week. Love you long time
I learned how to play rivals by playing smash for 5 years
this video was so entertaining and I don't know why. I've only played rivals for about 5 hours and thought it was okay but stopped playing it. I think every point you brought up was exactly how I felt about the game. 8 characters is weak, online was mediocre for me and took forever to find someone, and when I did... I got the shit kicked out of me. I don't hate the game but now I see why I stopped playing it.
I bought this game recently on Switch for $25CAD, and have been loving every second of it. As someone who plays Smash competitively, this game is amazing for me
I like how the guy saying all the characters were lame had 566 hours...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'm gonna have to say the tutorial did a lot for me and I wish something equivalent was in smash. This is my first platform fighter (I played brawl as a kid but at the time didn't know about professional competitive video gaming), and this taught me things I didn't even know I didn't know.
Same here!
I see why people complain about the dlc but it never bothered me that much. Indie devs put so much heart into their games and even if there’s problems I’m fine with giving them money if it helps them fix these problems.
Honestly the game isn't too expensive but having half the cast not exist because their dlc just looks bad.
I think Dan just pulled the biggest ace up his sleeve. If whatever way the workshop thingie works is easy enough to use and people make great stuff, this will make the game WAY better for casuals. They'll still have to learn about tech, but the ability to pick up stupid broken fun characters makes it more appealing. There could also be broken characters so people of higher skill levels can fight against newbies without completely destroying them. If this stuff works, it'll carry the game to a whole new direction since it'll be the only platform fighter that gives people this much creative freedom, I think people could even buy the game just to make a character. And Dan said you'll be able to use workshop characters on matchmaking so that'll be a reason for dedicated players to go to ranked.
Awesome video! I don't even know where I fit into the Rivals spectrum. I have over 250 hours logged into the game, all of which are either in local 1v1 or in Abyss mode.
Can we talk about how Abyss mode is this INSANE grindfest? Don't get me wrong, I really love the mode, but it takes an ENORMOUS amount of time to complete. Especially if you do it solo, which I would not recommend to anyone... even though it's in the Solo modes section! Surely they could have made getting Rival Destination (or whatever it's called) a bit easier.
To be honest, I'm too scared to go online, since I know that even with ~250 hours I'm probably complete garbage haha
There's also small QoL features, bug fixes, and tweaks people have been wanting like:
-The player icons switching (or being default) in replays
-Your buddy switching with who you last played when in the practice window
-Currently the little blue button you press to see their Steam profiles has been bugged for a few patches and shows a random profile
-Player/Region Blacklist
-Let you save replays instantly instead of having to wait/skip (I miss the skip like 10% of the time and it tilts me)
an interesting example to compare is ARMS (which I play competitively) It too has a small community of competitive players and isn't very noob friendly since there are many gimmicks that only work at low level, and uncontrolled spamming (controlled spamming, aka 'boxing' is much better and more nuanced ) drops off in viability quickly as you get better. Ranked is also dead, but ARMS has a lobby system for both competitive 1v1s (which may be in rivals, idk) and a casual lobby where more than one game can go on at a time. This leads to many top players playing friendlies and having tournaments in competitive lobbies, and groups such as www.casualarms.net/ utilizing the casual lobbies to great effect. From what you describe, rivals would benefit greatly from lobbies where lets say 4 players can join there, 2 play and 2 spectate (if it doesn't already have something like that). This would allow top players to play each other, and make online tournaments viable, which really helps a small community. (see again, the ARMS community)
How to get good at Rivals of Aether
>Go into online
>Find a high ping match against a beta tester with +1000 hours, then get destroyed.
>Decide to go singleplayer and do all the tutorials, get all the achivements, finish all story modes and get lvl 10 at abyss mode.
>Go back into online
>Get destroyed because the cpus are shit and you thought you were good for winning against them
>Leave negative review
Good thing they added in workshop. Hundreds of new legal and casual characters completely balances the dlc issue imo
I pet peeve of mine are those people that say the game is fantastic but rate it negative over one small thing
Thank you so much for speaking out against the tutorial. Since I had no real smash experience beforehand, I tried multiple times but couldn't even complete it until like 100 hours in. Even then I barely understood what I was doing and was basically just trying to find the fastest way to get through it. It's really nowhere near as useful as everyone acts like it is.
my first platform fighting game was rivals back when ultimate was first announced. And I sucked, I got my ass kicked about a 100 times before I winning a single game. and now about a year later I have 800+ hours on slap city Roa and smash and now I’m I’m still getting bodied by wrastor
Can't believe a single review didn't mentioned Wrastor
You'll never know the sheer level of relief I felt after watching the entire video and seeing my review didn't show up, you're awesome Adam!
RoA definitive edition changes:
-removed Wrastor
Top tier ending. I half expected your little Orcane plushie to be behind the door.
The Lexington steele comment sent my side's into orbit *LMBOOOOOOOOOO*
Rivals is a hidden gem, but the fact that my friends aren't interested in the game made me lose interest after about 300 hours. I don't really see the community ever growing enough to fix the skill gap problem. It breaks my heart, but it's just what happens when you make a multiplayer indie game :/ I'd love to see Dan make Rivals under the banner of a AAA studio so that people will take his work more seriously, but even without that, he should be so proud of his game. I hope Riot considers enlisting him when they make their new fighting game 👀
James oof
I just bought the game on Xbox and it's not up to date with the pc version can someone explain that? It's actually really odd to me because I haven't seen that before and it honestly makes me really sad. That means I can't waste my not so endless pockets on shovel knight. WHY CANT I HAVE MY SHOVEL BOI?!
0:12 "It's the greatest game ever; It's better than sssssmmmaaassshhhh." but is it better than Lethal League? 🤔
also hi adam!
Take a break
Rohan Person a friend of mine introduced me to lethal league and I fricken love it
@@AdamCarra *T I M* 0:26
*E A Y T G H* 1:03
Rivals Of Aether: Definitive edition and rivals direct 2: *Allow us to introduce ourselves*
Was toooootally expecting Dan to be at the door.
dan actually fixed almost everything out of the main complaining reasons
Just going to say here, Rivals DLC characters are $20 for 6 characters, Smash Ultimate's DLC is $25 for 5 characters.
Jdauria5 just going to say that it costs more money for characters than a whole game and also that this is a smaller indie game while smash ultimate is one of the biggest Nintendo games
@@Vinnyspinny I'm confused what you're trying to say.
Jdauria5 I’m saying that people complain about the roster size being 8 characters + 6 dlc. That means u pay 15$ for 8/14 while the other 6 are 20$. Smash is an 80 dollar game with almost an 80 character roster with only 5 dlc. Of course people aren’t going to complain that the dlc is more expensive in smash because its a bigger series with many more characters to select. On top of that characters are mostly fan favorites from around the globe so there will be a much higher demands for these said dlc characters.
Smash is also not an indie game and has a lot more content to use those characters in.
I really just wanted smash but can't afford a Switch and got tired of Brawlhalla so I bought this and holy shit is it gonna be a long journey to git gud.
As for the game's problems, it needs, in my humble bought-this-game-a-week-ago opinion:
-Bigger playerbase(please if some big UA-camr is reading this make a video on RoA that isn't about the workshop characters)
-Interesting characters, gameplay-wise they're good but as characters they are sooo uninteresting. They're just animals with some element. This is why Smash is more popular, because the characters are iconic.
-Servers
-Better ranked matchmaking
-Nerf Wrastor, or even better, *delete him*
-More characters, I think these 14 aren't enough, maybe add some of the really well designed workshop characters
-Rivals has been on it's way to getting a bigger playerbase for a while now, just give it some time. Direct 2 has brought many new eyes to the game, not to mention the Switch port.
-Devs have said numerous times that Shovel Knight is the final character, which is understandable as adding more characters would only increase the amount of time the devs spend nerfing/buffing their characters, which wouldn't be a good idea when they're so close to the finish line.
-Of course Smash has more recognizable characters than Rivals, it's owned by Nintendo. It doesn't matter what Rivals used for it's characters, they would look "uninteresting" in comparison.
-Rivals uses P2P, which is a much better option compared to servere for fighting games. Not to mention that the Rivals dev team is small, and they don't have the time or resources to make or maintain a server system.
-Define "better".
-Wrastor keeps getting nerfed every patch lol.
-I would like to point out that some time ago the devs said "We are looking into ways we could bring original workshop characters to the game", and then less then a week later they hired the creator of Mollo as an official part of the dev team.
I'm from the future...
It's even better then last time!
my problem with the game is that a lot of stages and skins are "limited editions" and some locked behind irl tournaments. I just want my taco Kragg goddammit!
"So this is how the game looks like, *if your a furry* "
Me who downloaded a cracc ver with all dlcs included:
I guess I am a furry
Adam has been killed by Wrastor.
Character will not be nerfed.
It’s kinda funny how PC and Xbox have opposite issues with online modes. it’s almost all ranked on Xbox. Sometimes I just wanna play the game without worrying about losing rank if I lose.
As a long time brawlhalla player trying to get into this game I can agree with some of the comments made in the video about just trying to learn the damn game. The main problem with Rivals is that no one plays ranked so if you suck you won't be ranked with other people who suck but are slightly better, you'll get matched up against people who will zero to death you within seconds. This wouldn't be a problem if there was an after game chat, even though this could increase toxicity it would help players who are worse at the game get better by allowing an opportunity for the better player to give tips. Honestly, i hate to compare games, but brawlhalla has an elo system to where you *usually* get matched up against people 100-150 more elo than you and this isnt a problem because you get 10-25 elo each match. Then again brawlhalla has a much larger playerbase so of course ranks will be more accurate.
Guilty Gear Xrd is the only fighting game I've ever seen do tutorials right. It really eases the learning *blockade* that is inherent in most fighters.
Here's an idea; take a shot every time you hear the name Wrastor.
Every time I did ranked mode, I would get JV3'd against a smurfing Wrastor Main who constantly put me under pressure from start to finish
I've always wanted to really get into this game and I'm used to competitive games where I'm up against gods...but I keep getting paired up with people from across the world! I live in Australia and the only people I've been paired with are from America or fucking Denmark
Plus side I've got a friend in Denmark now
if you live in aus you basically have to use the discord to find matches
Imagine being at 9k and already figuring out how to edit a video properly. This was actually really impressive
who else is watching this 40k vid 40 days after it came out like at the same minute as me yo what the frick
thanks adam very cool hve a nice evening
About the regions, you should have the discord servers. In EU and SA you can get matches pretty often asking in the servers.
That works great for more competitive players, or people already engaging with the community; but asking people to jump through hoops just to play some games is a pretty big ask, especially when most games already do that on default.
The game just got overshadowed by other games like Smash, Tekken, and Mortal Kombat. Rivals is good game would like to get back into the game.
I love this game and I cannot agree more, Rivals is for masochist, change my mind, but I guess that's why it nails pretty well to the ones who actually enjoy it, I'm still play other platform fighter games but THIS one is special, while is the most competitive and dificult by far is just for a few people who hate themselves and thinks they deserve the pain in online encounters
almost forgot, for the casual problem, I would preffer if they add more game modes, less competitive ones, focused on a more chaotic gameplay or even cooperative ones, those would be more friendly with new ones and would let them learn more about the game without being brutally killed, I guess I would stick on classic online matches but that would be something else to check out for new players, I love the abyss mode but I have no friends to play it :(
What a great video, I got the vibe that you were a developer of the game, but I can't say for sure.
Nope, I've just put 2k hours into it lol
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1000000/10! Best critic!
As far as single player content, this doesn't even mention that Abyss is locked behind completing the story mode by default. Even though story isn't very long and Abyss is kind of a spoiler for it, they should really just make it available from the start and award a chunk of Dan coins for completing story instead imo.
Making it more appealing to casuals though idk. If Rivals wants to have competition as its goal then I think that's good niche and changes to the base game shouldn't have to be made for the most part, it's players coming in with different expectations thanks to Smash that's more the problem. I'm not gonna go into UNIST and get pissed that the tutorials aren't action-packed, I'm gonna get my ass beat for 30 hours minimum, and there isn't much outside of competitive fights. Fixing the online would go miles to make it less frustrating online, just gotta hope that it brings an influx of players willing to give it a shot.
People like me that don't live in the us are always on friendlies with people we meet on discord that we know are near us and have good ping
The problem with ranked is that I got into platinum with little to no issue, because I was always fighting people who didn't know as much as me.
I have a newfound hatred of wrastor i never knew i had after watching this video. Thank Adam Carra
i just wanna say, you did a really good job voicing all of the reviews
I'm so glad this wasn't just a half-assed meme video full of jump cuts and boring one liners to quickly address all the problems. Swear to god, those videos are not funny at all.
I didn’t even know there was tutorial I have 2 other brothers so we learnt to play together
I don't know why UA-cam thought they should put this vid into my recommendations, but I love your editing style and humor! So I'll just leave a sub and go on check out what else you got in store and wait for what is yet to come =P
The biggest flaw of RoA is even for people that want to grind and be better : there is a crazy gap between all the fast spaced character (Zett, Ori, Wraster, Maypul) and the more heavy, more setup oriented characters like Sylvanos, Kragg or Etalus.
Not only most fast characers plays the same but they are crazy good; all of them. They also does not requires that much skills to start working.
This is the biggest issue with the game and I think it will kill on spot. Setup characters need to be more accessible.
All the points are right! I'm new to the game and I love it (especially in couch coop), but the online play is just stupid, CPU's and tutorial are useless
The one problem I have is that every time I load into a workshop match, I choose a normal balanced character, but the second the other guy loses, they throw a goddamn temper tantrum and either pick ronald or fox. and they always end it with using the forsburn "you got smoked' like what else was supposed to happen mr gets angry when someone is slightly better than them.
@@achooblessu9501 no because i like playing with them
What about meme man one hit ko spam in workshop
If Adam has a kid and he mains Wrastor. *fastest disown in the west*
The EU Guy with the bad PING just has to go online at 8pm. There are a bunch of players in EU.
OH THAT AIN'T FALCO
In the tutorial’s defense it may be dry but it is still a better tutorial then literally any fighting game I can think SF5, Tek7, Soul, skull girl, guilty gear.
Something that would really help new players is to have novel challenges that force you to learn by either removing your options and forcing you to adapt like some guilty gear games or make you use the tools you have in unusual ways like Target Break and home run were in smash.
It would also help to have a training room that shows you your hitboxes (good job brawl) and frame data( preferably not locked behind DLC like a certain other game...).
There is actually a certain tutorial section that can't be completed on keyboard, it has to do with some kind of weird di thing but you can't input the direction the game wants you to with a keyboard.
so Rivals was free on Xbox a month or so back, and I told some coworkers who love to play Smash to download it. they return the next day and say, "fuck orby: that game is too hard" lol
I bought rivals early on.
I couldnt get into it at all, the game is super fast paced and I dont understand how to not die. Keep in mind... I play Melee
i like how most of these problems were fixed!
The workshop made the lack of content barely visible since new stuff comes out basically every day
The online has gotten better since you can pick regions and theres more game modes
The U.I got an overhaul and its easier to find most of the menus
Theres some more casual things like volleyball
so overall the game has fully improved!
Hopefully THE MILESTONE SYSTEM solves the last issue.