What a great review! I’m in the market for a kickr bike and haven’t decided which one to buy. V2 vs Shift. You’ve answered all of my questions. Thank you so much!
I just took the plunge and ordered one, great video 😀 had the kickr core v5 but nothing but poor shifting and grinding noises, only done one quick ride this is awesome
@@DesFit new subscriber! I appreciate your calm smooth delivery, detail oriented, cover pros/cons, nice you're seated next to the product, very genuine, thoughtful and as I mentioned before very thorough. 👍🏻
Nice video 🔥 How smooth is this vs the road ? I’m actually using Wahoo Kickr Snap, the difference vs Road is huge. Even, with Assioma (to compare correctly wattage), indoor experience is more painful. 160w indoor look like 200 outdoor in term of sensation. ERG mode is even more difficult, need to push more to reach the target, compared to road. There is no « inertie », don’t know in English. Would you recommend the switch for me ? Thank you 🙏
Excellent review! Is the Kickr Bike Shift a more quiet ride than the Stages SB20? If you had both, but only had to keep one - which one would you keep?
I have a Kickr bike V1, using it daily for 4 years. Zero problems. Very quiet, but not as quiet as the Shift, I would assume. The bike is mounted on a Saris MP-1 rocker plate, the best. I use the variable tilt function in manual mode to adjust seat comfort on long rides. I would greatly miss that. The inherent rigidity of the Shift without tilt and without a rocker plate would quickly make me unhappy on long rides. My two cents.
@@peterguarinio3632 - It appears that the Move has some, but limited lateral movement, probably comparable to the Neo. If I had a Move, I would still use it on a rocker plate. Comfort on long rides IRL, depends on lateral movement, front/back movement, and rider seat position(tilt). The evolution of indoor trainers has been a progressive attempt to duplicate that.
Looks nice. I find myself drawn more and more to Zwift recently due to extremely hot summers and snowy winters here. And nothing seems to get my HR up as easily as Zwift races/group rides. I am currently using a kickr, but it’s a bit noisier than I would like between the chain, freehub, shifting, and motor noise during downhill parts. Does this make a clicking sound when coasting?
Both are good but a little different. The Shift is quieter (no motor hum) but lacks the forward drive on downhills. I tend to prefer the overall feel of the Shift a bit more than the V2 as it feels smoother.
No. The Q factor is huge on the Shift. That's MY biggest gripe about. Otherwise, I love my Shift. Oh, and the name...horribly inconvenient for Googling stuff. I.e. the search results are always some other Wahoo Kickr product that happens to mention something about shifting...
Great video! I have a question. I owned V1 for 10 months. I do a lot of riding on it. I love it. I had an issue a few weeks ago with pairing (I think it is due to the gear switchbox). Wahoo wants me to send it back to them and they are sending me a new V2 soon. I don’t use the inclination, or the gear shifting. I always do programmed workouts. I like the new bike, with fewer and simpler features. My question is: if you had the opportunity to have either of them, not considering the price, which one would you choose? I am not sure if Wahoo would be open to send me a new Wahoo Kicker Core Bike though instead of a new V2 Wahoo Kicker bike. Thank you.
Question: If offered at the same price, which one would you choose: tacx neo bike plus(offered at similar price as wahoo kikr v2?) or wahoo kickr shift?
Maybe it’s just me, but I still think $3k is very pricey. Having that pívot point also does not sound like a $1000 part/upgrade. The materials are not that expensive to command this price in my opinion. The market will be the judge but I see it going to a sales price like the previous models relatively soon. I just think most people already have their bikes from the pandemic and are more apt to sell rather than add an indoor bike.
Trainer prices have been dropping (well, until Wahoo and Zwift settled their lawsuit...) over the last year or two--thanks, Zwift Hub!--but smart bikes have become more expensive. It seems like they arbitrarily landed on $4k USD as the default flagship price (it seems implausible that Tacx and Wahoo had the same R&D, manufacturing, shipping, and distribution costs given the very different nature of Garmin and Wahoo's companies but yet they charge the same price to the penny for their smart bikes) and so $3k is meant to look like a discount by comparison. But you can still buy a decent trainer (Core, Hub, etc.) and a reasonable road bike for the same combined price and have far more versatility, including indoor training. So yeah, I think smart bikes are charging a *substantial* premium. I'd love to have one because I do most of my weekly riding indoors, but the price point is currently absurd for the value.
@@BrentNeal1979 I agree with you 100%. A full smart bike is a nice to have. In my case, I sold my previous road bike and waiting for stock of the next. I can’t even ride inside on my kickr for obvious reasons lol
I couldn't stand the bar, tape, or lever location on mine when I unboxed and set it up. Getting the bar tape off was a nightmare, a heat gun was needed to get the residue off. The levers were very difficult to unbolt. A ball ended hex driver is needed. Bad design..
What is your opinion on the build quality? I had some issues with my Kickr v5. The welding of the legs wasn't straight on the first unit, which affected sideways movement and weight distribution somewhat, and then on the second unit the thru axle hole was bad/asymmetrical, making it a weak point. Third one was spot on, but this has made me wary with the Taiwan factory QC. It's handmade and there's room for errors in the parts or welding unfortunately. I'm thinking of upgrading to the Kickr Shift, so hopefully the QC and production is improved on this. By judging how it looks, I feel like the build quality might be a step up from the Kickr bike. It looks simpler and with more robust adjustment levers.
@@DesFit Thanks, I agree! I like the climb functionality on my Kickr Climb, but I can do without it, since I've recently been doing a lot more Zwift workouts (with ERG mode, instead of free rides), and then the climb functionality is disabled anyways.
one question does anyone know;- regarding the kickr bike shift, when using zwift do the gears show up on the screen as I believe they do on the new zwift bike?
Replacing bar tape on this bike was one of the first things I did. The quality of the original is ridiculously bad. The rest is just superb, although my shift bike produces more noise.
It simulates grades with resistance (like 99% of smart bike trainers/bikes out there) but doesn’t have the physical incline of the KICKR Bike V2. it still works great with Zwift.
Pretty decent product, but price makes no sense. Just buy a wahoo kickr core and a used road bike. This will cost you a total of about $1200 and will give you a more comfortable bike. And you can also go riding outside with it if you want. I think this should have been 2000 at most. Not really sure who will buy this.
Awesome video! You convinced me - just ordered it! Cheers!
What a great review! I’m in the market for a kickr bike and haven’t decided which one to buy. V2 vs Shift. You’ve answered all of my questions. Thank you so much!
Happy to help. Enjoy your new bike!
From someone who's never even used an indoor trainer, this looks awesome.
This is an EXCELLENT review!!! Very Excellent! Thanks for the effort! :)
Happy to help. Thanks!
@@DesFitoh, I watched this last week
Now I got mine! Was looking for the pedals for a while now! It doesn’t come with pedals 😅😅
I just got one it’s great , the video helped
Glad you’re enjoying it. Thanks!
Once again... GREAT video ! Thanks
👍
Just ordered one based on your excellent review 😊
Enjoy!
I just took the plunge and ordered one, great video 😀 had the kickr core v5 but nothing but poor shifting and grinding noises, only done one quick ride this is awesome
Have you had issue with seat post slipping?
Yes a little bit I used some carbon paste, done the trick
Another great review!
Thanks!
Fantastic thorough review!
Thanks!
@@DesFit new subscriber! I appreciate your calm smooth delivery, detail oriented, cover pros/cons, nice you're seated next to the product, very genuine, thoughtful and as I mentioned before very thorough. 👍🏻
Appreciate the kind words and thanks for subscribing!
Yes DesFit does a GREAT job again! Thank you
Thanks!
Thanks again for your great reviews ...as always
Very welcome!
Great review. Do you know where I can see this bike in / around Amsterdam?
What would you recommend between the Kickr bike shift and Tacx Neobike plus?
Nice video 🔥
How smooth is this vs the road ?
I’m actually using Wahoo Kickr Snap, the difference vs Road is huge. Even, with Assioma (to compare correctly wattage), indoor experience is more painful.
160w indoor look like 200 outdoor in term of sensation. ERG mode is even more difficult, need to push more to reach the target, compared to road. There is no « inertie », don’t know in English.
Would you recommend the switch for me ? Thank you 🙏
Excellent review! Is the Kickr Bike Shift a more quiet ride than the Stages SB20? If you had both, but only had to keep one - which one would you keep?
Sb20 is practically silent, not just quiet
SB20 is indeed silent.
I have a Kickr bike V1, using it daily for 4 years. Zero problems. Very quiet, but not as quiet as the Shift, I would assume. The bike is mounted on a Saris MP-1 rocker plate, the best. I use the variable tilt function in manual mode to adjust seat comfort on long rides. I would greatly miss that. The inherent rigidity of the Shift without tilt and without a rocker plate would quickly make me unhappy on long rides. My two cents.
Does the Kickr move have side to side movement like the Tacx Neo?
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@@peterguarinio3632 - It appears that the Move has some, but limited lateral movement, probably comparable to the Neo. If I had a Move, I would still use it on a rocker plate. Comfort on long rides IRL, depends on lateral movement, front/back movement, and rider seat position(tilt). The evolution of indoor trainers has been a progressive attempt to duplicate that.
Great review. Thx! How would you rank the Wahoo Kickr Shift, Neo Bike plus and Neo Bike smart? Thank you!
Nice review
Thanks!
6:28 Stages SB20 beats that in terms of noise. Easily. And it looks flimsy compared to SB20.
too bad the company is bankrupt so that solid POS is just a decoration now.
how would you position the Shift compared to Tacx Neo Plus?
Thanks for the great review! Can you see bike gearing on a garmin device?
Very good review. Thanks for sharing in in concise detail too. It provide a very thorough analysis of what it provides
Sure thing! Thanks!
Looks nice. I find myself drawn more and more to Zwift recently due to extremely hot summers and snowy winters here. And nothing seems to get my HR up as easily as Zwift races/group rides.
I am currently using a kickr, but it’s a bit noisier than I would like between the chain, freehub, shifting, and motor noise during downhill parts. Does this make a clicking sound when coasting?
No discernible noise when coasting, a very light hum. No free wheeling noise like you would normally hear.
Looks great. Seems to have a bit of lateral flex too which is a nice touch. Not just a brick wall with handlebars…
Yup, there’s some built in flex that helps for sure
Great review. Does the ride feel rival that of the Bike v2?
Both are good but a little different. The Shift is quieter (no motor hum) but lacks the forward drive on downhills. I tend to prefer the overall feel of the Shift a bit more than the V2 as it feels smoother.
Has anyone used this bike together with a CardioCoach to test VO2 max?
Thanks. Overall do you rather the Kickr Bike Shift or the Tacx Neo Bike Plus?
Nordictrack bikes tilts too. It’s expesive
Excellent 👍👌
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Great review.
could you use the same bike fit settings as V1?
Hmm, not exactly sure. I don’t have a V1 around to compare. Sorry about that but thanks!
Can you display the gear info on a Garmin Edge unit just like you can with a Wahoo headunit?
What cycling platform do you recommend for structured workouts? Can I link my garmin computer to measure cadence/speed/power?
great video btw
Great video… I would say even better than GPLama and DCRainmaker (not that he’s got his review up yet).
Last I checked, Ray was working on his video 😄 5-10 minutes as we would say.
This is amazing, didn't even know of the V2 lol
Def $$$ but seems worth it
I heard the seat post has tendency of slipping. What would you recommend?
Hi, just wondering if the Q factor is the same as a standard road bike. Thanks
I would like to know this as well.
No. The Q factor is huge on the Shift. That's MY biggest gripe about. Otherwise, I love my Shift. Oh, and the name...horribly inconvenient for Googling stuff. I.e. the search results are always some other Wahoo Kickr product that happens to mention something about shifting...
Curious if you've tried the Stages SB20. I think it might be like sitting on a brick wall, but not sure. Price is $2k now so considering.
Great video! I have a question. I owned V1 for 10 months. I do a lot of riding on it. I love it. I had an issue a few weeks ago with pairing (I think it is due to the gear switchbox). Wahoo wants me to send it back to them and they are sending me a new V2 soon. I don’t use the inclination, or the gear shifting. I always do programmed workouts. I like the new bike, with fewer and simpler features. My question is: if you had the opportunity to have either of them, not considering the price, which one would you choose? I am not sure if Wahoo would be open to send me a new Wahoo Kicker Core Bike though instead of a new V2 Wahoo Kicker bike. Thank you.
I tend to like this model due to how quiet it is.
Do you find it hard to push like tacx smart bike or is more like kickr core? Thanks
Question: If offered at the same price, which one would you choose: tacx neo bike plus(offered at similar price as wahoo kikr v2?) or wahoo kickr shift?
Again a great video; thank you :) Is it quiter than Kickr V6 and/or Kickr Move? Thanks.
Yes, it's quieter due to the lack of drivetrain from an actual bike and that it's belt driven.
@@DesFit thank you very much for your answer; makes sense.
I'm looking at the Wahoo Kickr bike shift and the Stages SB20 which one provides the better value for the cost?
lol, who buys stages, they fired all of their support team
@@PastelitoBombonSupport in Europe is still excellent.
@@Robin_S78 until it's not...now officially bankrupt with zero support and parts
Will virtual shifting work on FulGaz and Rouvy?
Maybe it’s just me, but I still think $3k is very pricey. Having that pívot point also does not sound like a $1000 part/upgrade. The materials are not that expensive to command this price in my opinion. The market will be the judge but I see it going to a sales price like the previous models relatively soon. I just think most people already have their bikes from the pandemic and are more apt to sell rather than add an indoor bike.
Trainer prices have been dropping (well, until Wahoo and Zwift settled their lawsuit...) over the last year or two--thanks, Zwift Hub!--but smart bikes have become more expensive. It seems like they arbitrarily landed on $4k USD as the default flagship price (it seems implausible that Tacx and Wahoo had the same R&D, manufacturing, shipping, and distribution costs given the very different nature of Garmin and Wahoo's companies but yet they charge the same price to the penny for their smart bikes) and so $3k is meant to look like a discount by comparison. But you can still buy a decent trainer (Core, Hub, etc.) and a reasonable road bike for the same combined price and have far more versatility, including indoor training. So yeah, I think smart bikes are charging a *substantial* premium. I'd love to have one because I do most of my weekly riding indoors, but the price point is currently absurd for the value.
@@BrentNeal1979 I agree with you 100%. A full smart bike is a nice to have. In my case, I sold my previous road bike and waiting for stock of the next. I can’t even ride inside on my kickr for obvious reasons lol
What is better for indoor smart bike,wattbike atom/tacx neo/wahoo kickr or shift?
I couldn't stand the bar, tape, or lever location on mine when I unboxed and set it up. Getting the bar tape off was a nightmare, a heat gun was needed to get the residue off.
The levers were very difficult to unbolt. A ball ended hex driver is needed. Bad design..
What is your opinion on the build quality? I had some issues with my Kickr v5. The welding of the legs wasn't straight on the first unit, which affected sideways movement and weight distribution somewhat, and then on the second unit the thru axle hole was bad/asymmetrical, making it a weak point. Third one was spot on, but this has made me wary with the Taiwan factory QC. It's handmade and there's room for errors in the parts or welding unfortunately. I'm thinking of upgrading to the Kickr Shift, so hopefully the QC and production is improved on this. By judging how it looks, I feel like the build quality might be a step up from the Kickr bike. It looks simpler and with more robust adjustment levers.
Super solid. As mentioned in the video I think it should be better than the KICKR BIKE V2 due to the lack of pivot point.
@@DesFit Thanks, I agree! I like the climb functionality on my Kickr Climb, but I can do without it, since I've recently been doing a lot more Zwift workouts (with ERG mode, instead of free rides), and then the climb functionality is disabled anyways.
one question does anyone know;- regarding the kickr bike shift, when using zwift do the gears show up on the screen as I believe they do on the new zwift bike?
Replacing bar tape on this bike was one of the first things I did. The quality of the original is ridiculously bad. The rest is just superb, although my shift bike produces more noise.
Did you find the magnetic connector an issue?
I didn’t
what size stem and handlebars come with it?
Can use with garmin edge?
Just to add wahoo elemnt shows the gear you’re in too
Race mode available day one?
Not available at this time
No creaking, rattling or other annoying sounds?
None, probably one of the quietest and smoothest ride experiences
so i cant have the incline option?
Yup, with the KICKR Bike V2.
@@DesFit ok thanks so this model is useless if i want to train more with immersion with zwift or without it , to try to climb for example
It simulates grades with resistance (like 99% of smart bike trainers/bikes out there) but doesn’t have the physical incline of the KICKR Bike V2. it still works great with Zwift.
In all aspects the SB20 is superior.
and.....bankrupt. good luck with support
Honestly I think this is still quite expensive. I would immediately buy something similar with less functions if it would cost 2k.
What other functions could they take out?
Bike industry in a nutshell:
3000 dólar , shit saddle
Pretty decent product, but price makes no sense. Just buy a wahoo kickr core and a used road bike. This will cost you a total of about $1200 and will give you a more comfortable bike. And you can also go riding outside with it if you want. I think this should have been 2000 at most. Not really sure who will buy this.
Sadly you cannot use these bumper legs of usual Kickr to imitate rocker plate and this is a big NO to this unit.