Ah indeed I didn’t grab the adapter with it. They even said at the shop that if I’d asked they’d have packed it in with the camera. Though like I say in the video I was super impressed with the zoom overall. I wonder how Canon’s equivalent compares now…
I tested one out for 2 days with the 28mm APO lens. Gorgeous image quality and the AF is fine for my kind of photography. But indeed, the AF for video is just not good enough when you compare it to Sony, Canon and even Nikon Z now. I really wanted to try an M lens on it though. Really curious if the focus peaking is accurate and usable enough to shoot a Summilux wide open. I like a rangefinder, but nailing focus wide open is no easy task.
I have 2x SL2S that I use for weddings. Switched from Sony A9’s. If you want a computer with a lens then get the Sony or Canon Equiv. the leica’s have their downsides but it makes me slow down and take better images . The Leicas work with Godoy in manual flash which is the only way to shoot flash.
See, as someone who has Leica M I agree that THOSE make you slow down etc… but to me the SL2S is indeed a computer like all the others and encourages (and markets) speed. At what point does a modern camera stop being a computer? I’m not sure we can say that cameras aren’t anymore… Are the menus prettier? Sure. But it still does all the same computer things as the computer-like S5, just in a nicer and heavier duty body. I’d be the first to admit that there is some Leica magic going on here but I just didn’t see it on this occasion. Glad you’re pleased with your purchase though, that’s the most important thing. Best of luck as weddings start off again!
@@bybenoit5593 I think compared to a Sony A9 ( have you shot one?) the SL2S is like an old carthorse in terms of focus, tracking ability, fps. The Sony A9 takes the skill out of photography, as soon as you focus it will track either on eye or face and there is little to no need to look through the viewfinder. The SL2S is slower to gain focus and wont track like the Sony. Ive been photographing weddings for 17 years and in the modern era of cameras this is like a breath of fresh air for me. The files are beautuful, great quality and not too big. The feel of the camera is better in the hand than the SOny, Sony was too small. When you look at comparable prices, new, virtually the same, if anything Sony more expensive. I have the AF sigma lenses which are great value and M lenses from my M8. All in all , for me, its brought the enjoyment of my job back.
@@Dpul945 Hey David, you also threw in Canon, but yes more specifically singled out your old A9's. No, not shot with one of those though I have shot with other Sony's and didn't like them, like yourself, and for the same reasons. I guess I see Canon as the middle ground on this. Yes there are a lot of aspects I now just leave to the camera, particularly autofocus tracking, but I see this as enhancing the experience rather than taking away from it, as I can just focus on composition. I suppose that's where we differ. But thankfully Leica make something for you and Canon make something for me, and everyone's happy and working away. And it's great that the Leica's brought back some joy to your work, I feel the same way about my Leica M / CL when it comes to personal photos. It's amazing what some products can do like that!
I will add that the image quality of the SL2 with SL lenses is out of this world. The color is beautiful and the sharpness is crazy good. I did rent a Canon R5 to give it a test spin; I used the 24-70 R lens. IMO, the image quality of the Leica SL was superior to that of the Canon. What I love about my Leica SL is the image quality; what I liked about the Canon is its super fast buffer/transfer speed (and it never once overheated). Another example for getting the right tool for the right job.
I hope you don't mind but It seems to me that you'd kind of made up your mind before this review. If you want my opinion, get yourself a mint SL (typ601) and use it with an adapter and an M lens or Voigtlander. You get the best of both works then, great lenses, a brilliant manual focus experience and a fantastic viewfinder... plus of course the Leica feel and look.
Hey Chloe, I admit that I went in with concerns, but as I say in the video I was looking to be proven wrong and hoping to love the camera due to being a Leica fan from the outset. Unfortunately it just didn’t grab me in the way that, say, my M262 did. And when buying for work is concerned, I need to justify things to myself more strictly and couldn’t find a way to do so with the SL2-S. As for the SL1, I actually see it as the worst of all worlds for my use-cases for a number of reasons too boring to list here unless you really want to know. But hopefully if you have an SL of any kind you are happy with it and enjoying shooting with it. All the best!
@@bybenoit5593 I do have an SL typ601 with a couple of fast Voigtlanders. I’m curious as to your concerns, have you ever used the first one? It’s beautiful. I bought mine used, but it was like new, not a mark on it, and you can get a mint one now for around £1900-£2100. Thanks 🙂
@@chloescanlon1107 Before I say anything, I want to be clear that everything I say is only relevant to me and my needs, not a reflection on the objective merits of the SL1 or 2. Simply put, for the money I get more features that matter to me elsewhere, and I don't think that the 'Leica Feel' is with this line of cameras in the same way as I feel it with my M. Hence, I see no reason to spend more than is necessary (I accept fully that is subjective) on my work gear. Moreover, the manual focus experience isn't a priority for me as I work primarily with autofocus lenses and only use manual focus when necessary in video. As I mentioned in my video, I do both photo and video work, so I need a truly versatile camera or need to have two specialised kits. Currently, I'm trying for versatility. That means that if I can get great AF, solid photo/video specs, IBIS, and good enough everything else from a current generation Canon (in this instance) for the same or only slightly more, it would be a poor business decision for my needs to get an SL1. And though it might be unfashionable to say so, I find Canons have their charms in the looks department, and fit my hand like a glove. Though beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. Of course you could say that if the above is true, why was I in any doubt to start with about the SL2S? Because I wanted to see if the 'leica feel' and 'leica look' would grab me for a work camera, and how it felt to shoot with a pro level Leica. Sadly, in use, I couldn't get on with it and couldn't see myself spending the extra. But of course I'm certain other professionals will have a great time with it, and you certainly are a great advocate for your SL1. All the best!
The SL2-S is unique in design, look and feel. It is downsized regarding control buttons and switches, resulting in a clean design. It is unique in operation (menus and controls). The high-iso performance has been reviewed here: ua-cam.com/video/mHAShRfTgbA/v-deo.html It is a complete different camera than Canon, Sony, Nikon. I do not say it is better but it has an own character. If one likes to take it, feel it and shoot with it, why not pay the price? If you only care about performance and image quality it may not be worth the higher price. But if you care about design, operation control, haptic and you want a special camera with own character it may be worth it.
There will always be people that can not see a difference between a Leica raw file and a raw file coming from another camera just like there will be people that can’t taste a difference between a good and a cheap wine.
There will always be people willing to see something in a Leica camera that isn’t in any way demonstrable just like there will be people willing to put sassy comments on UA-cam videos. With respect, I see the difference with my Leica M raw files, but didn’t see it with the SL2S. Does that make me a cheap wine or good wine person?
As mentioned below, I think you are missing the point - I too shoot mainly M lenses, manual focus, so the ramble on about auto focus for me, is a moot point. Secondly, I believe you mention that the screen is not touch, but in the main menu it is. Actually, Leica may offer some of the best menus out there, but I am not trying to stand on top of another company to make Leica seem better - it is what it is. Again, I am not sure that I would really ever compare a Canon or Nikon to Leica. I am not saying Nikon or Canon are bad, but they are more similar to one another than not. The absolute best of Leica lenses are pretty hard to beat and probably in many cases, are not beatable. The SL lens system is right up there with best of all time - not fastest focus, but some of the best photo rendering tools period. Many manual focus. Lastly, the 24-90 is a fair bit better lens than the 24-70 and it is reflective in the cost differential. Look, I shot M, could not deal with the rangefinder focus, and I absolutely love the viewfinder of the SL2s - the bonus of being able to use M and SL lenses on the SL2 and SL2s is a huge bonus. I love it. Period. definitely
Sorry the autofocus bit wasn’t for you. It’s important for all aspects of my work and I imagine many other professionals but I understand people are different. And why not compare pro cameras to pro cameras? I don’t think Leicas ‘work’ cameras should live in a land of their own without comparison, particular as they are now comparable in cost to the best of canon. And they certainly are marketed to pros, so I don’t see the comparison as unreasonable. But don’t get me wrong, I definitely like spending more to get something nicer, but not for work unless there’s a practical benefit to it. And for the lenses, I’m with you on their quality, no doubt about that. That their cheapest full frame zoom stood up against the canon 50mm L RF is astounding. But it’s diminishing returns on quality past a point for the sort of work I do, no giant prints, mostly commercial stuff for online and small print. Hence why canon rf will do for me. On menus, yeah perhaps that was the weakest bit of the video. I guess I was just underwhelmed after hearing so much good stuff about them. Anyway, glad you love your SL2S. Wish I could have added one to my kit but it’ll have to wait for deeper pockets :)
As a nikon user I have to confess something, I have D800E, D7200, D80, Z6 II with so many lenses and a coolpix P1000. super happy with my nikon gears. I just went to leica store accidentally and tried them, image quality and more important , FEELING OF CAMERA, is something extra ordinary, specially with 90mm prime lens it was just WOW, A BIG WOW. maybe youre right about gears and accessories but if you can afford it go get it. I got sl2-s and its just pure fun and joy. its expensive and it worth it.
I have two of them and to me you’re dead wrong the images this camera produces are amazing. The small rig works great with this and I shoot the godox/flashpoint system just buy the Lumix/Panasonic trigger problem solved. The lens lineup is great and wow the Leica M glass. Happy shooting!
Don’t think I said the images were bad! Quite the opposite. Just they were comparable to all the other amazing cameras and lenses of this generation that I’ve tried. And do the lumix triggers offer TTL? I thought they didn’t if they weren’t system specific but I only asked profoto not godox about this specifically when researching. Anyway, glad you like them and wish I had two of them myself! All the best
I JUST BOUGHT THE LEICA TL 2 WITH THE 18 TO 56 LENS, IT COST ME $900 with trade in at BandH . Price for combo was $1900. This camera is OUT OF THIS WORLD. GLUED TO ME FOR A WHOLE WEEK. SUPERB SHARP BEAUTIFUL PICTURES.
Useful, and interesting! For some reason, the Algorithm recommended your M Type 262 review, after I had viewed some videos concerning the Type 246. I enjoyed that presentation, even though I have no good reason to acquire a 262, perhaps because it affirmed my desire to resist pursuing the “latest/greatest” things. (I use M10 and M Type 246 cameras, and still have most of my DSLRs.) The release of the SL3 does, however, make this a good time to consider a pre-owned SL-series camera, so, it is good to see your presentation on the SL2-S, which includes honest cons. Well-done! Thanks!
i was mostly surprised about you not enjoying the joystick. every person i've ever met that has held my leica sl says they would love this joystick on their canons or sonys or nikons or fujis =)
I have my Leica SL2-S for travel video, and M10, M9, M6 for photography. As a Leica user for twenty years, if you need to work with your camera, Leica will never be your first choice. But if you want a camera that you can still loves and playing with after twenty years, go get a Leica and you will never regret. You don't have to compare the spec with other camera. Leica will never win. (P.S. You can get a camvate unversal cage, i use it on my DJI RONIN SC2)
Yes there are cameras out there that CAN compete with the Leica on performance for way less money. But they still can't compete with the glass quality of Leica lenses. Let's say a top of the line Panasonic or Canon can outperform a Leica. They still can't compete with the beautiful handmade article of beauty that is Leica. The camera has a metal body, the lenses are also metal with a lot of tediously passionately handworked glass. But that extra weight provides a beautiful balance in holding and using the camera. Pure handmade quality like that is worth it. That's why you buy a Leica. It makes you feel good to use it, it calls you, you want to use it. Plastic doesn't call me. And the Leica performance isn't too shabby either.
As a happy owner of a Q2, I totally agree with everything you said there. But, above a certain point (for me and my work specifically) weight is a major hindrance and top top top performance isn't worth the extra cost. I wish it were, that my work TRULLY demanded the quality of £6K Leica glass, but it isn't and my work doesn't 😅
@@bybenoit5593 OK, I hear ya and understand more where YOU are coming from as a Pro, being cost effective etc. Ohh and just for the record (and this may not pertain to you specifically) but the Leica 24-70 is not a REAL Leica lens made in Germany. It is Japanese made. The 24-90 Leica lens IS the real deal made IN Germany and they REALLY throw all the quality and handmade passion into that lens. II met some tourists on the beach recently (taking photos of sandpipers etc) he had an SL2-S and referred to the Leica lens as having an "other worldly quality". It does seem to have something special, almost a magic to it. I think that subtle extra nuance is what Leica strive for. Having said all that, Yea I do understand your needs in what you do, where you're coming from, what you're looking for, and how much expense is acceptable.
I understand that there’s some debate on the 24-70 lens and whether it’s a ‘real Leica’. Pretty sure Leica wouldn’t risk they’re fledgling reputation with pros like this? As the gateway lens to a very expensive system, it has to be extremely good, but not as good as the higher end lenses. In that sense, I’d say it hits that mark. Now, Germany vs Japan manufacturing? It depends on so many factors, not least what market a company is aiming at. Leica’s lenses are amazing partly because they allow themselves to produce and sell fewer better lenses, compared to popular Japanese brands. However, if Leica commissions a Japanese factory (Sigma it seems, in this case) but stipulates the same quality and quantity as their German factories, why would we assume it would be any worse?
Why did you leave out the Panasonic S5 as an alternative? Eventough it does have the same contrast based AF but its still a great camera. Youll get somewhere around 14 stops of DNR and itll also get a BRaw update to an external recorder plus youre able to adapt M lenses on it. ( yes it has less Resolution in the photo area). But all in all you`ll get much more out of it than the pocket camera. And my personal highlight is it the Anamorphic option.
Great question. I have actually tried the s5 on a number of occasions and did like what I saw, but what turned me off was the autofocus and the EVF. Given I’m looking to have one primary system and supplement it when necessary, I’m attempting an annoying balancing act of features across photo and video. Is it worth having slightly better video in exchange for worse autofocus for most of my photo and video work? I decided that no was the answer to that question after A LOT of back and forth on the matter. I should have mentioned the S5 in the video though, you’re right. It’s a superb camera, even before one looks at the astounding price tag. The value for money there is amazing, and it’ll be right for many, many other photographers. As for the pro video features the S5 offers, yes they are great but I would say that the BMPCC6K Pro is the best way to get them and I’ve loved using that camera. Having to add a costly monitor to the S5 to get them quickly ruins a lot of the selling points of the S5 and puts the advantage right back on renting a BMPCC when it’s needed. But again, what suits me might not suit you :) thanks for watching!
@@bybenoit5593 Thanks for your reply. However I dont really get your point. Would you not add a monitor on the 6kpro? I mean it does have some serious WB issues and the only way to fix it ist to either re-calibrate everytime or add a seperate monitor. Plus the tiny screen makes it hard to get the right exposure for skin tones. At the same time complainning about the lack of AF and EVF but then favouring a camera (6kpro) with no stills function is a bit confusing to me.
So on the monitor question: no, never had issues with the BMPCC screen after firmware fix, and it’s large and clear, very easy to get exposure/composition. A ninja v wouldn’t be any advantage to me in that case unless my rig made the built in screen inaccessible. The price quickly adds up, too. And on the point of it being a better solution for video over the s5, there are many reasons but chief among them the NDs, built in assists, larger screen, better io, no record limit at any resolution/codec, and generally being built for video. I don’t know how much experience you’ve had with the BMPCC, so I don’t want to go on about it too much if you know it well already, but I found it to be a truly excellent tool, far better than any hybrid I’ve tried. Given I do both kinds of work, and then a big variety in that, my point overall is that the canon system does both well enough for most of my jobs, then I could rent a bmpcc when I need something better/more feature rich for video specifically. That way I get what I consider to be the best of both worlds when I need them. I’d say the S5 is also playing at an unfair disadvantage because I’m also weighing the cost of switching system too. There would need to be absolutely undeniable advantages to the lumix L system that can only be had there to warrant a total switch and the loss on previous gear investment. Contrary to what most UA-cam photographers say, switching systems is not an easy or inconsequential choice. Hope that answers some of your questions. It’s a strange and complicated time to buy cameras as they are basically the same/indistinguishable for 90% of situations, only separating at the extremes or by one’s personal requirements. Who knows, I might come to regret canon later, but I’ll have done a bunch of work in the mean time with these great tools! All the best
Oh and I just remembered I did mention the S5 as the cost comparison later in the video, where you could buy 2 of those and a BMPCC6K Pro for the Leica kit. Knew I mentioned it somewhere, it was definitely on my mind!
@@bybenoit5593 Yes it makes much more sense now! thanks for your elaboration. Switching system is always a big commitment. Maybe having a seperate camera when needed might be a better choice. And yes they "can" look the same however most people are only using 10% of its capabilities thats why Id rather check on Vimeo for footages than youtube.
Thank you for your test drive on the SL2-S. Did you by chance test the buffer speed at continuous AF? If so, how did that turn out? The SL2's buffer/transfer speed, even w the fastest SD cards, is frustratingly slow.
Hey, using it alongside my Eos R I didn't notice a difference in speed. But it wasn't a demanding scenario. I don't know how it would perform as a sports/wildlife camera.
AF-C does not work on any Leica like you might know it from Sony or Canon. If you want to use AF-C this way, you need to choose Ai-Focus, Leica's so called intelligent AF. Leica should remove the AF-C option completely because people who just rent the camera for short period of time, will not be able to evaluate the camera correctly. Now that this is online, it will keep emanating false information, sadly.
I can only apologise for missing it. However, the autofocus isn't the only reason why someone wouldn't go for this camera, so hopefully prospective buyers can try it for themselves. Cheers!
i agree with you, before reviewing a product online, it would be nice to try it for at least a few weeks. This video gave me the feeling, that the author reviewed a camera before knowing how to use it. He does not know how to use the joystick, the touch screen, not even the autofocus ! lol
To be fair to me here, I don’t call it a review but a test drive, and I’m up front with how much I used it. I don’t claim to have used it exhaustively, but it was certainly enough to know the camera wasn’t for me. I hope you could get something out of the video anyway. Cheers
@@bybenoit5593 Definitely a fair take. I was curious to see what you thought about this version of the camera. While I love my SL2 I admit it’s definitely a flawed camera. With enough constructive criticism though I think Leica will address many of these issues in future iterations of their cameras (hopefully).
As a stills photographer and former Canon shooter, I find the biggest downside of the SL2/SL2-S is the contrast detect AF. AFC is, at best, sporadic and at times unusable on my SL2. The SL2-S has had a firmware upgrade which has reportedly improved auto focus speed and accuracy, but until they change to phase detect, no amount of firmware upgrades will compensate for its deficiencies. I love the images my SL2 produces, but it is no match for any of its mirrorless competitors in terms of autofocus. I also adapt M lenses but most people will buy this camera primarily to use autofocus lenses. The SL lenses are phenomenally good but handicapped by the autofocusing issue in my view.
You were using the wrong autofocus mode. AF-C keeps breathing on still subjects. Use intelligent AF instead. It is what AF-C is on Sony or Canon. It works very well, albeit not as perfect as on Sony or the newer Canons.
I think that the only way Leica can expand its appeal to working photographers like yourself, the backbone of the whole camera market, is if they lower their prices and address concerns about performance and function. More responsive and accurate autofocus would be a good start but as to prices, the unfortunate change I see in the regard is that other vendors are able to leverage Leica's higher prices by increasing their prices too.
Not sure I believe your analysis of other manufacturers price strategies. I’d be surprised if Leica had so much sway in the market that other manufacturers are influenced by Leica’s pricing. If you look at the r5, so example, it offers an larger number of features for the same price as an SL2-S, rather than pricing itself nearer to an SL2. The camera just doesn’t work for me personally. Based on Leica’s advertising, I can see how it might work for photographers like McCurry, though he likely got the camera for free and wouldn’t have any budget concerns anymore…
Consumer electronics of any kind, cameras, etc., are going to be more expensive, not less so - the main reason is that there is an on-going shortage of processors and ICs, which has dramatically driven up pricing especially for small scale, specialty manufacturers, such as Leica. But you will surely see price increases from various companies as these shortages persist - not because of Leica setting an example, but because the economics of the current landscape require it. As for Leica, they seem to be doing quite well - many of the things they have introduced are sold out and difficult to get, requiring to be on a wait list. I think it is a mistake to assume that Leica wants to be Sony or Fuji - they know their target audience well, and build products directly targeted to those customers. It would be interesting to see the average spend and profit of a Leica customer vs. a Fuji one for example. Making Leicas cheaper might broaden the appeal, but would diminish the brand, and could potentially diminish quality because with scale comes compromise. I'm a Leica M10M/R?Q2 shooter, and while I know there are "faster", "better" cameras with more features, and capabilities, no camera is perfect - if there was one, why would there be so many cameras in the world? For me, they are the perfect tools, painfully expensive, but durable and long lasting, like good shoes.
loved this vid man, just watched your 262 video and really want to buy one, is there a similar camera with a better screen and speed ? I guess the m10 ? just a lot of money. I love your channel and how ell done your vids are. I'd love to chat sometime. Was also thinking of getting an SL1 but I currently have a sony a7 mki so there wouldn't be much difference for more money. Keep going with your UA-cam work, your channel will blow up trust me. All the best Owen
Very kind of you to say! Sadly yes, if you want to improve on the 262 for screen and speed it’ll need to be a newer Leica like the m10 or, if you don’t mind a crop sensor, the CL. SL1 still has a solid following from what I can see but I agree with your assessment. What camera you might upgrade to depends on what you do and how you do it, so can’t say much more on that. Thank you again for the kind words, it’s very encouraging :)
I’ve been using the Sl2s and SL for the past 6 months. I picked up the R5 recently. Unfortunately the file sizes and focusing are what made me switch. For casual shooting it’s such an amazing camera I love it, but for day to day use it’s gets old not being able to focus on a moving subject. I prefer the Q or M for that Leica fix.
Personally, I wouldn’t say so for the SL2-S over the canon cameras I have. To pay so much more it would really need to be noticeably better and to me it wasn’t when it comes to image quality/colour. If you look at the two shots I include in the video for comparison, can you tell a massive difference? If anything, I prefer the canon shot!
This is the exact reason why I decided to not buy either the Leica SL2 or the Leica SL2 s. The autofocus issues. This is why Canon’s Dual Pixel autofocus is a big deal. If only Leica can get their act together with autofocus I will buy the SL2 in a heartbeat
ha that too. Even as a Leica apologist, I find the SL2s hard to love. But the price on used M10-Ps is coming down so........... 👀 might have a modern leica coming my way!
2:26 The Leica menus are meant to be set up once left a lone or be quick when looking up anything. and it is touch screen on the main page. 3:03 The camera is not heavy! is actually smaller compared to current DSLR's, Anyone looking on to this camera go to the store and see it in person. 3:22 That 24-70 is a rebranded lens from Sigma, Leica rebranded it to bring new users. For superior image and experience the 24-90 from Leica is the way to go, and no is not big or heavy. 3:44 A quick search will prove anyone wrong that there are brands that do support Leica SL. Metal Circle makes cages for the leica SL and theirs a lot of other companies that make Leica accessories. 4:13 Leicas are great but everyone has a different experience and point of view. 4:47 Just hearing the part "if budget was no concern i would keep one around" so budget is a concern so you pick on anything to justified returning it and giving a negative points. 5:07 Is your opinion and i respected, but i would tell people to try it.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. In order: for menus I agree and I was referring to the other pages when talking about the lack of touch. For weight, personal opinion and depends on use case. For 24-70 I see this all over online from people who couldn’t possibly know for sure. RedDotForum say that though it might be, it will have higher manufacturing standards (how much variation they allow between copies) than sigma. Hence price. Again, weight and value of 24-90 is personal preference. Accessories yes you’re right, my comments have not aged well. Leicas are great cameras and I enjoy my M a lot. On the budget point I clearly didn’t explain myself properly in video: I was looking for the ways that for my work the SL2S justifies its higher cost over my current canon system and couldn’t find them when looking at it for my specific needs. YMMV. I would certainly like to own one if I had spare money to spend on another body as it’s a lovely camera from a lovely company. Finally yes, I’m super up front that it’s an opinion piece and I expect people to view this video in the context of other videos and other experiences, as I would when choosing a new camera. Thanks again, happy shooting!
Your mistake was to try it with that lens. I use the SL2S with M lenses only. It's fantastic this way.
Ah indeed I didn’t grab the adapter with it. They even said at the shop that if I’d asked they’d have packed it in with the camera. Though like I say in the video I was super impressed with the zoom overall. I wonder how Canon’s equivalent compares now…
I tested one out for 2 days with the 28mm APO lens. Gorgeous image quality and the AF is fine for my kind of photography. But indeed, the AF for video is just not good enough when you compare it to Sony, Canon and even Nikon Z now.
I really wanted to try an M lens on it though. Really curious if the focus peaking is accurate and usable enough to shoot a Summilux wide open. I like a rangefinder, but nailing focus wide open is no easy task.
I have 2x SL2S that I use for weddings. Switched from Sony A9’s. If you want a computer with a lens then get the Sony or Canon Equiv. the leica’s have their downsides but it makes me slow down and take better images . The Leicas work with Godoy in manual flash which is the only way to shoot flash.
See, as someone who has Leica M I agree that THOSE make you slow down etc… but to me the SL2S is indeed a computer like all the others and encourages (and markets) speed. At what point does a modern camera stop being a computer? I’m not sure we can say that cameras aren’t anymore…
Are the menus prettier? Sure. But it still does all the same computer things as the computer-like S5, just in a nicer and heavier duty body.
I’d be the first to admit that there is some Leica magic going on here but I just didn’t see it on this occasion.
Glad you’re pleased with your purchase though, that’s the most important thing. Best of luck as weddings start off again!
@@bybenoit5593 I think compared to a Sony A9 ( have you shot one?) the SL2S is like an old carthorse in terms of focus, tracking ability, fps. The Sony A9 takes the skill out of photography, as soon as you focus it will track either on eye or face and there is little to no need to look through the viewfinder. The SL2S is slower to gain focus and wont track like the Sony. Ive been photographing weddings for 17 years and in the modern era of cameras this is like a breath of fresh air for me. The files are beautuful, great quality and not too big. The feel of the camera is better in the hand than the SOny, Sony was too small. When you look at comparable prices, new, virtually the same, if anything Sony more expensive. I have the AF sigma lenses which are great value and M lenses from my M8. All in all , for me, its brought the enjoyment of my job back.
@@Dpul945 Hey David, you also threw in Canon, but yes more specifically singled out your old A9's. No, not shot with one of those though I have shot with other Sony's and didn't like them, like yourself, and for the same reasons. I guess I see Canon as the middle ground on this. Yes there are a lot of aspects I now just leave to the camera, particularly autofocus tracking, but I see this as enhancing the experience rather than taking away from it, as I can just focus on composition. I suppose that's where we differ. But thankfully Leica make something for you and Canon make something for me, and everyone's happy and working away. And it's great that the Leica's brought back some joy to your work, I feel the same way about my Leica M / CL when it comes to personal photos. It's amazing what some products can do like that!
I will add that the image quality of the SL2 with SL lenses is out of this world. The color is beautiful and the sharpness is crazy good. I did rent a Canon R5 to give it a test spin; I used the 24-70 R lens. IMO, the image quality of the Leica SL was superior to that of the Canon. What I love about my Leica SL is the image quality; what I liked about the Canon is its super fast buffer/transfer speed (and it never once overheated). Another example for getting the right tool for the right job.
Totally agree!
I hope you don't mind but It seems to me that you'd kind of made up your mind before this review.
If you want my opinion, get yourself a mint SL (typ601) and use it with an adapter and an M lens or Voigtlander. You get the best of both works then, great lenses, a brilliant manual focus experience and a fantastic viewfinder... plus of course the Leica feel and look.
Hey Chloe, I admit that I went in with concerns, but as I say in the video I was looking to be proven wrong and hoping to love the camera due to being a Leica fan from the outset. Unfortunately it just didn’t grab me in the way that, say, my M262 did. And when buying for work is concerned, I need to justify things to myself more strictly and couldn’t find a way to do so with the SL2-S. As for the SL1, I actually see it as the worst of all worlds for my use-cases for a number of reasons too boring to list here unless you really want to know. But hopefully if you have an SL of any kind you are happy with it and enjoying shooting with it. All the best!
@@bybenoit5593 I do have an SL typ601 with a couple of fast Voigtlanders.
I’m curious as to your concerns, have you ever used the first one? It’s beautiful. I bought mine used, but it was like new, not a mark on it, and you can get a mint one now for around £1900-£2100.
Thanks 🙂
@@chloescanlon1107 Before I say anything, I want to be clear that everything I say is only relevant to me and my needs, not a reflection on the objective merits of the SL1 or 2. Simply put, for the money I get more features that matter to me elsewhere, and I don't think that the 'Leica Feel' is with this line of cameras in the same way as I feel it with my M. Hence, I see no reason to spend more than is necessary (I accept fully that is subjective) on my work gear. Moreover, the manual focus experience isn't a priority for me as I work primarily with autofocus lenses and only use manual focus when necessary in video.
As I mentioned in my video, I do both photo and video work, so I need a truly versatile camera or need to have two specialised kits. Currently, I'm trying for versatility. That means that if I can get great AF, solid photo/video specs, IBIS, and good enough everything else from a current generation Canon (in this instance) for the same or only slightly more, it would be a poor business decision for my needs to get an SL1.
And though it might be unfashionable to say so, I find Canons have their charms in the looks department, and fit my hand like a glove. Though beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder.
Of course you could say that if the above is true, why was I in any doubt to start with about the SL2S? Because I wanted to see if the 'leica feel' and 'leica look' would grab me for a work camera, and how it felt to shoot with a pro level Leica. Sadly, in use, I couldn't get on with it and couldn't see myself spending the extra. But of course I'm certain other professionals will have a great time with it, and you certainly are a great advocate for your SL1.
All the best!
The SL2-S is unique in design, look and feel. It is downsized regarding control buttons and switches, resulting in a clean design. It is unique in operation (menus and controls). The high-iso performance has been reviewed here: ua-cam.com/video/mHAShRfTgbA/v-deo.html
It is a complete different camera than Canon, Sony, Nikon. I do not say it is better but it has an own character. If one likes to take it, feel it and shoot with it, why not pay the price? If you only care about performance and image quality it may not be worth the higher price. But if you care about design, operation control, haptic and you want a special camera with own character it may be worth it.
There will always be people that can not see a difference between a Leica raw file and a raw file coming from another camera just like there will be people that can’t taste a difference between a good and a cheap wine.
There will always be people willing to see something in a Leica camera that isn’t in any way demonstrable just like there will be people willing to put sassy comments on UA-cam videos. With respect, I see the difference with my Leica M raw files, but didn’t see it with the SL2S. Does that make me a cheap wine or good wine person?
As mentioned below, I think you are missing the point - I too shoot mainly M lenses, manual focus, so the ramble on about auto focus for me, is a moot point.
Secondly, I believe you mention that the screen is not touch, but in the main menu it is. Actually, Leica may offer some of the best menus out there, but I am not trying to stand on top of another company to make Leica seem better - it is what it is.
Again, I am not sure that I would really ever compare a Canon or Nikon to Leica.
I am not saying Nikon or Canon are bad, but they are more similar to one another than not. The absolute best of Leica lenses are pretty hard to beat and probably in many cases, are not beatable.
The SL lens system is right up there with best of all time - not fastest focus, but some of the best photo rendering tools period. Many manual focus.
Lastly, the 24-90 is a fair bit better lens than the 24-70 and it is reflective in the cost differential. Look, I shot M, could not deal with the rangefinder focus, and I absolutely love the viewfinder of the SL2s - the bonus of being able to use M and SL lenses on the SL2 and SL2s is a huge bonus. I love it. Period.
definitely
Sorry the autofocus bit wasn’t for you. It’s important for all aspects of my work and I imagine many other professionals but I understand people are different.
And why not compare pro cameras to pro cameras? I don’t think Leicas ‘work’ cameras should live in a land of their own without comparison, particular as they are now comparable in cost to the best of canon. And they certainly are marketed to pros, so I don’t see the comparison as unreasonable. But don’t get me wrong, I definitely like spending more to get something nicer, but not for work unless there’s a practical benefit to it.
And for the lenses, I’m with you on their quality, no doubt about that. That their cheapest full frame zoom stood up against the canon 50mm L RF is astounding. But it’s diminishing returns on quality past a point for the sort of work I do, no giant prints, mostly commercial stuff for online and small print. Hence why canon rf will do for me.
On menus, yeah perhaps that was the weakest bit of the video. I guess I was just underwhelmed after hearing so much good stuff about them.
Anyway, glad you love your SL2S. Wish I could have added one to my kit but it’ll have to wait for deeper pockets :)
As a nikon user I have to confess something, I have D800E, D7200, D80, Z6 II with so many lenses and a coolpix P1000. super happy with my nikon gears.
I just went to leica store accidentally and tried them, image quality and more important , FEELING OF CAMERA, is something extra ordinary, specially with 90mm prime lens it was just WOW, A BIG WOW.
maybe youre right about gears and accessories but if you can afford it go get it. I got sl2-s and its just pure fun and joy.
its expensive and it worth it.
I had the same experience, but in practice it didn't suit me as a working camera after a few tries. But if it works for you then great!
I have two of them and to me you’re dead wrong the images this camera produces are amazing. The small rig works great with this and I shoot the godox/flashpoint system just buy the Lumix/Panasonic trigger problem solved. The lens lineup is great and wow the Leica M glass. Happy shooting!
Don’t think I said the images were bad! Quite the opposite. Just they were comparable to all the other amazing cameras and lenses of this generation that I’ve tried. And do the lumix triggers offer TTL? I thought they didn’t if they weren’t system specific but I only asked profoto not godox about this specifically when researching. Anyway, glad you like them and wish I had two of them myself! All the best
The way I understood it is he said that it wasn’t fit for what he does, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s implying that it was unpleasant.
I JUST BOUGHT THE LEICA TL 2 WITH THE 18 TO 56 LENS, IT COST ME $900 with trade in at BandH . Price for combo was $1900. This camera is OUT OF THIS WORLD. GLUED TO ME FOR A WHOLE WEEK. SUPERB SHARP BEAUTIFUL PICTURES.
Useful, and interesting! For some reason, the Algorithm recommended your M Type 262 review, after I had viewed some videos concerning the Type 246. I enjoyed that presentation, even though I have no good reason to acquire a 262, perhaps because it affirmed my desire to resist pursuing the “latest/greatest” things. (I use M10 and M Type 246 cameras, and still have most of my DSLRs.) The release of the SL3 does, however, make this a good time to consider a pre-owned SL-series camera, so, it is good to see your presentation on the SL2-S, which includes honest cons. Well-done! Thanks!
Really well done presentation! This camera looks like a lot of fun!
i was mostly surprised about you not enjoying the joystick. every person i've ever met that has held my leica sl says they would love this joystick on their canons or sonys or nikons or fujis =)
Same here!
I have my Leica SL2-S for travel video, and M10, M9, M6 for photography. As a Leica user for twenty years, if you need to work with your camera, Leica will never be your first choice. But if you want a camera that you can still loves and playing with after twenty years, go get a Leica and you will never regret. You don't have to compare the spec with other camera. Leica will never win. (P.S. You can get a camvate unversal cage, i use it on my DJI RONIN SC2)
Yes there are cameras out there that CAN compete with the Leica on performance for way less money. But they still can't compete with the glass quality of Leica lenses. Let's say a top of the line Panasonic or Canon can outperform a Leica. They still can't compete with the beautiful handmade article of beauty that is Leica. The camera has a metal body, the lenses are also metal with a lot of tediously passionately handworked glass. But that extra weight provides a beautiful balance in holding and using the camera. Pure handmade quality like that is worth it. That's why you buy a Leica. It makes you feel good to use it, it calls you, you want to use it. Plastic doesn't call me. And the Leica performance isn't too shabby either.
As a happy owner of a Q2, I totally agree with everything you said there. But, above a certain point (for me and my work specifically) weight is a major hindrance and top top top performance isn't worth the extra cost. I wish it were, that my work TRULLY demanded the quality of £6K Leica glass, but it isn't and my work doesn't 😅
@@bybenoit5593 OK, I hear ya and understand more where YOU are coming from as a Pro, being cost effective etc. Ohh and just for the record (and this may not pertain to you specifically) but the Leica 24-70 is not a REAL Leica lens made in Germany. It is Japanese made. The 24-90 Leica lens IS the real deal made IN Germany and they REALLY throw all the quality and handmade passion into that lens. II met some tourists on the beach recently (taking photos of sandpipers etc) he had an SL2-S and referred to the Leica lens as having an "other worldly quality". It does seem to have something special, almost a magic to it. I think that subtle extra nuance is what Leica strive for. Having said all that, Yea I do understand your needs in what you do, where you're coming from, what you're looking for, and how much expense is acceptable.
I understand that there’s some debate on the 24-70 lens and whether it’s a ‘real Leica’. Pretty sure Leica wouldn’t risk they’re fledgling reputation with pros like this? As the gateway lens to a very expensive system, it has to be extremely good, but not as good as the higher end lenses. In that sense, I’d say it hits that mark. Now, Germany vs Japan manufacturing? It depends on so many factors, not least what market a company is aiming at. Leica’s lenses are amazing partly because they allow themselves to produce and sell fewer better lenses, compared to popular Japanese brands. However, if Leica commissions a Japanese factory (Sigma it seems, in this case) but stipulates the same quality and quantity as their German factories, why would we assume it would be any worse?
Why did you leave out the Panasonic S5 as an alternative? Eventough it does have the same contrast based AF but its still a great camera. Youll get somewhere around 14 stops of DNR and itll also get a BRaw update to an external recorder plus youre able to adapt M lenses on it. ( yes it has less Resolution in the photo area). But all in all you`ll get much more out of it than the pocket camera. And my personal highlight is it the Anamorphic option.
Great question. I have actually tried the s5 on a number of occasions and did like what I saw, but what turned me off was the autofocus and the EVF. Given I’m looking to have one primary system and supplement it when necessary, I’m attempting an annoying balancing act of features across photo and video. Is it worth having slightly better video in exchange for worse autofocus for most of my photo and video work? I decided that no was the answer to that question after A LOT of back and forth on the matter. I should have mentioned the S5 in the video though, you’re right. It’s a superb camera, even before one looks at the astounding price tag. The value for money there is amazing, and it’ll be right for many, many other photographers.
As for the pro video features the S5 offers, yes they are great but I would say that the BMPCC6K Pro is the best way to get them and I’ve loved using that camera. Having to add a costly monitor to the S5 to get them quickly ruins a lot of the selling points of the S5 and puts the advantage right back on renting a BMPCC when it’s needed. But again, what suits me might not suit you :) thanks for watching!
@@bybenoit5593 Thanks for your reply. However I dont really get your point. Would you not add a monitor on the 6kpro? I mean it does have some serious WB issues and the only way to fix it ist to either re-calibrate everytime or add a seperate monitor. Plus the tiny screen makes it hard to get the right exposure for skin tones. At the same time complainning about the lack of AF and EVF but then favouring a camera (6kpro) with no stills function is a bit confusing to me.
So on the monitor question: no, never had issues with the BMPCC screen after firmware fix, and it’s large and clear, very easy to get exposure/composition. A ninja v wouldn’t be any advantage to me in that case unless my rig made the built in screen inaccessible. The price quickly adds up, too.
And on the point of it being a better solution for video over the s5, there are many reasons but chief among them the NDs, built in assists, larger screen, better io, no record limit at any resolution/codec, and generally being built for video. I don’t know how much experience you’ve had with the BMPCC, so I don’t want to go on about it too much if you know it well already, but I found it to be a truly excellent tool, far better than any hybrid I’ve tried.
Given I do both kinds of work, and then a big variety in that, my point overall is that the canon system does both well enough for most of my jobs, then I could rent a bmpcc when I need something better/more feature rich for video specifically. That way I get what I consider to be the best of both worlds when I need them.
I’d say the S5 is also playing at an unfair disadvantage because I’m also weighing the cost of switching system too. There would need to be absolutely undeniable advantages to the lumix L system that can only be had there to warrant a total switch and the loss on previous gear investment. Contrary to what most UA-cam photographers say, switching systems is not an easy or inconsequential choice.
Hope that answers some of your questions. It’s a strange and complicated time to buy cameras as they are basically the same/indistinguishable for 90% of situations, only separating at the extremes or by one’s personal requirements. Who knows, I might come to regret canon later, but I’ll have done a bunch of work in the mean time with these great tools! All the best
Oh and I just remembered I did mention the S5 as the cost comparison later in the video, where you could buy 2 of those and a BMPCC6K Pro for the Leica kit. Knew I mentioned it somewhere, it was definitely on my mind!
@@bybenoit5593 Yes it makes much more sense now! thanks for your elaboration. Switching system is always a big commitment. Maybe having a seperate camera when needed might be a better choice. And yes they "can" look the same however most people are only using 10% of its capabilities thats why Id rather check on Vimeo for footages than youtube.
I want this leica. I need better AF then my old canon 1DX. Is it better or worst AF for street portraits?
Thank you for your test drive on the SL2-S. Did you by chance test the buffer speed at continuous AF? If so, how did that turn out? The SL2's buffer/transfer speed, even w the fastest SD cards, is frustratingly slow.
Hey, using it alongside my Eos R I didn't notice a difference in speed. But it wasn't a demanding scenario. I don't know how it would perform as a sports/wildlife camera.
AF-C does not work on any Leica like you might know it from Sony or Canon. If you want to use AF-C this way, you need to choose Ai-Focus, Leica's so called intelligent AF. Leica should remove the AF-C option completely because people who just rent the camera for short period of time, will not be able to evaluate the camera correctly. Now that this is online, it will keep emanating false information, sadly.
I can only apologise for missing it. However, the autofocus isn't the only reason why someone wouldn't go for this camera, so hopefully prospective buyers can try it for themselves. Cheers!
i agree with you, before reviewing a product online, it would be nice to try it for at least a few weeks. This video gave me the feeling, that the author reviewed a camera before knowing how to use it. He does not know how to use the joystick, the touch screen, not even the autofocus ! lol
To be fair to me here, I don’t call it a review but a test drive, and I’m up front with how much I used it. I don’t claim to have used it exhaustively, but it was certainly enough to know the camera wasn’t for me. I hope you could get something out of the video anyway. Cheers
For photos I would reach for Leica all day but for video they need to have a phase detect af system for sure.
Do you shoot with an SL2S yourself?
@@bybenoit5593 I have the SL2 (non-S)
Nice. For my own curiosity, why did you choose to watch this video? Did you find it a fair take on the Leica?
@@bybenoit5593 Definitely a fair take. I was curious to see what you thought about this version of the camera. While I love my SL2 I admit it’s definitely a flawed camera. With enough constructive criticism though I think Leica will address many of these issues in future iterations of their cameras (hopefully).
Still biting what’s remaining of my finger nails to decide if I should this one over the SL2 with its 47mpx 😅
As a stills photographer and former Canon shooter, I find the biggest downside of the SL2/SL2-S is the contrast detect AF. AFC is, at best, sporadic and at times unusable on my SL2. The SL2-S has had a firmware upgrade which has reportedly improved auto focus speed and accuracy, but until they change to phase detect, no amount of firmware upgrades will compensate for its deficiencies. I love the images my SL2 produces, but it is no match for any of its mirrorless competitors in terms of autofocus. I also adapt M lenses but most people will buy this camera primarily to use autofocus lenses. The SL lenses are phenomenally good but handicapped by the autofocusing issue in my view.
That was my feeling too. Glad to know I'm not insane.
You were using the wrong autofocus mode. AF-C keeps breathing on still subjects. Use intelligent AF instead. It is what AF-C is on Sony or Canon. It works very well, albeit not as perfect as on Sony or the newer Canons.
@@JLeoH Ah I see! Thanks for letting us know. Hopefully some prospective buyers see it.
Now a leica Sl2s with M lenses…. There you go!!!
I get your views but comparing Leica to anything else is retroactive. The only companies I’d compare Leica with is Fuji or hasselblad.
why?
I think that the only way Leica can expand its appeal to working photographers like yourself, the backbone of the whole camera market, is if they lower their prices and address concerns about performance and function. More responsive and accurate autofocus would be a good start but as to prices, the unfortunate change I see in the regard is that other vendors are able to leverage Leica's higher prices by increasing their prices too.
Not sure I believe your analysis of other manufacturers price strategies. I’d be surprised if Leica had so much sway in the market that other manufacturers are influenced by Leica’s pricing. If you look at the r5, so example, it offers an larger number of features for the same price as an SL2-S, rather than pricing itself nearer to an SL2.
The camera just doesn’t work for me personally. Based on Leica’s advertising, I can see how it might work for photographers like McCurry, though he likely got the camera for free and wouldn’t have any budget concerns anymore…
Consumer electronics of any kind, cameras, etc., are going to be more expensive, not less so - the main reason is that there is an on-going shortage of processors and ICs, which has dramatically driven up pricing especially for small scale, specialty manufacturers, such as Leica. But you will surely see price increases from various companies as these shortages persist - not because of Leica setting an example, but because the economics of the current landscape require it. As for Leica, they seem to be doing quite well - many of the things they have introduced are sold out and difficult to get, requiring to be on a wait list. I think it is a mistake to assume that Leica wants to be Sony or Fuji - they know their target audience well, and build products directly targeted to those customers. It would be interesting to see the average spend and profit of a Leica customer vs. a Fuji one for example. Making Leicas cheaper might broaden the appeal, but would diminish the brand, and could potentially diminish quality because with scale comes compromise. I'm a Leica M10M/R?Q2 shooter, and while I know there are "faster", "better" cameras with more features, and capabilities, no camera is perfect - if there was one, why would there be so many cameras in the world? For me, they are the perfect tools, painfully expensive, but durable and long lasting, like good shoes.
Bullshit. If you cant afford one then you cant have one and stick with Canon or Sony.
Valid points on the cons. Leica has a ways to go with improving the AF, battery life, touchscreen Menu and ergonomics.
Thanks! Yeah in other areas, particularly lenses, they really, really nail it.
The Sl 2S is judged to have the best menu compared to its competitors, Kind regards from Wetzlar, Germany
loved this vid man, just watched your 262 video and really want to buy one, is there a similar camera with a better screen and speed ? I guess the m10 ? just a lot of money. I love your channel and how ell done your vids are. I'd love to chat sometime. Was also thinking of getting an SL1 but I currently have a sony a7 mki so there wouldn't be much difference for more money. Keep going with your UA-cam work, your channel will blow up trust me.
All the best
Owen
Very kind of you to say! Sadly yes, if you want to improve on the 262 for screen and speed it’ll need to be a newer Leica like the m10 or, if you don’t mind a crop sensor, the CL. SL1 still has a solid following from what I can see but I agree with your assessment. What camera you might upgrade to depends on what you do and how you do it, so can’t say much more on that. Thank you again for the kind words, it’s very encouraging :)
Good honest video.
I’ve been using the Sl2s and SL for the past 6 months. I picked up the R5 recently. Unfortunately the file sizes and focusing are what made me switch. For casual shooting it’s such an amazing camera I love it, but for day to day use it’s gets old not being able to focus on a moving subject. I prefer the Q or M for that Leica fix.
Exactly. Keeping my Leica M for fun but sticking to trusty Canon for work.
Im in the same boat. I really wanted to love this camera but honestly my Q is a joy and I would rather get a normal flagship for my main work.
Just Chuck the 23mm lens on it…
It’s really light….
That would be light, but unfortunately I would likely need a 24-70 for most of my work, bar the portrait stuff of course.
Want to know if the color of SL2S is worth the investment? Is it a unique color of Leica?
Personally, I wouldn’t say so for the SL2-S over the canon cameras I have. To pay so much more it would really need to be noticeably better and to me it wasn’t when it comes to image quality/colour. If you look at the two shots I include in the video for comparison, can you tell a massive difference? If anything, I prefer the canon shot!
This is the exact reason why I decided to not buy either the Leica SL2 or the Leica SL2 s. The autofocus issues. This is why Canon’s Dual Pixel autofocus is a big deal. If only Leica can get their act together with autofocus I will buy the SL2 in a heartbeat
you forgot the $285 extra battery.......jpegs SUCK........DNG file huge but beautiful.......was ready to buy.... bought the R5 instead
ha that too. Even as a Leica apologist, I find the SL2s hard to love. But the price on used M10-Ps is coming down so........... 👀 might have a modern leica coming my way!
The jpegs do suck. Raw is beautiful. Dammit Leica is like a toxic relationship😂
Another: theres no CPS services for Leica.
Great camera, not so great autofocus. Consider the canon R3
Get a better income so your opinion don't get biased by the cost....
Solid advice 😹
Check out a lumix s5
2:26 The Leica menus are meant to be set up once left a lone or be quick when looking up anything. and it is touch screen on the main page.
3:03 The camera is not heavy! is actually smaller compared to current DSLR's, Anyone looking on to this camera go to the store and see it in person.
3:22 That 24-70 is a rebranded lens from Sigma, Leica rebranded it to bring new users. For superior image and experience the 24-90 from Leica is the way to go, and no is not big or heavy.
3:44 A quick search will prove anyone wrong that there are brands that do support Leica SL. Metal Circle makes cages for the leica SL and theirs a lot of other companies that make Leica accessories.
4:13 Leicas are great but everyone has a different experience and point of view.
4:47 Just hearing the part "if budget was no concern i would keep one around" so budget is a concern so you pick on anything to justified returning it and giving a negative points.
5:07 Is your opinion and i respected, but i would tell people to try it.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. In order: for menus I agree and I was referring to the other pages when talking about the lack of touch. For weight, personal opinion and depends on use case. For 24-70 I see this all over online from people who couldn’t possibly know for sure. RedDotForum say that though it might be, it will have higher manufacturing standards (how much variation they allow between copies) than sigma. Hence price. Again, weight and value of 24-90 is personal preference. Accessories yes you’re right, my comments have not aged well. Leicas are great cameras and I enjoy my M a lot. On the budget point I clearly didn’t explain myself properly in video: I was looking for the ways that for my work the SL2S justifies its higher cost over my current canon system and couldn’t find them when looking at it for my specific needs. YMMV. I would certainly like to own one if I had spare money to spend on another body as it’s a lovely camera from a lovely company. Finally yes, I’m super up front that it’s an opinion piece and I expect people to view this video in the context of other videos and other experiences, as I would when choosing a new camera. Thanks again, happy shooting!