I’m looking heavily into the Epson LS for my next unit. Currently sitting with the 4010 and it still looks good. I just have a hard time justifying jumping from the LS to the JVC or Sony. This thing truly looks amazing!!
If Epson had made it 3D compatible, I would have purchased it.I think that's still the biggest advantage for projectors. No modern TV does 3D. And that extra brightness would have been perfect. Jvc and Sony still include it. Maybe the next Epson model.
Hard to compare without settings(a lot options on Epsons),hours on lamp. Ls12000 is just 100 lumens brighter on paper. If you engage dci filter on ub6050, difference would be explainable maybe! In terms of difference: 2200€ price gap/difference here.. And the ub6050 is more in the back of the room as well (light loss)..ls12000 picture looks greenish compare to ub6050 here.
I love my LS12000. When my wife and i were watching Dune we couldnt turn the light output above 75% or the bright scenes or explosions made us squint. Bang for the buck you really cant beat it.
This is my theater above. I found that Dune was a confusing movie to behold. It was either too dark, or too bright at times. Lets film in caves and in the dark, whoops! Desert! That movie definitely puts anything to work for sure.
I have spent time with both in direct comparison and I have to disagree with most. The new projector has many positive things - 120Hz gaming, newer, brighter perception and perhaps crisper. However, the 6050 displays differently due to the difference between bulb and laser. I prefer by far the light from a bulb over a laser since the laser gives up a LED tv effect when presenting the image on the screen. If you like the sharper image by all means the LS12000 but I bought the 6050UB because I like the image being closer to film and the natural light effect. I hope by the time I have to go laser it is like LCD tv's catching up to oled and they can give back the more natural lighting I prefer.
You can change the RGBY settings with calibration to look natural, flat or dynamic. I tested with this projector and you can make it to what you describe.
The laser LS1200 will eventually move to 80% brightness as it ages over lifetime. That is years away. I think the best take away for this, is the 6050 bulb, not used but a few times a week was already degraded beyond what the LS12000 would be 3-4 years from now. The improved boot time, the increased color gamut, saturation, blacks, and native 4k, really mark a huge improvement.
For. Non native projection the LS12000 is really good and the colors really pop v. The Sony I would say it was a little washed with the black levels and not as sharp as the Sony.
is 6050 in high lamp mode, and how many hours has the lamp run? is the 6050 in dynamic color mode? and has it been calibrated? what color mode is the ls12000 in?
It looks a little briter but you can adjust the settings on the bulb projector making it bright. Add Contrast and color if it needs it. I know i have a Viewsonic 4K.
I have a Viewsonic 4K projector.and Compared it to a BenQ laser projector. The pic, color, brightness, sharpness was close to the SAME. You can adjust all the setting.
Which lamp mode and color mode on the 6050? You gave no insight into settings. Moreover we are looking via your camera which had a fixed iris set so no adaptaion like a human eye would do. Differences are exaggerated.
nice comparison just wish the LS12000 had the option to change lenses. I need to place my projector at the rear of the room so the LS has too short of a throw
The LS12000 looks so much better in this comparison. I have a 5040ub and I find that it struggles the most with HDR, the blacks just get washed out. I've now got madvr doing tone mapping for it and its a massive improvement. I've heard that the stock tone mapping on the 5040/5050 kinda sucks and it greatly benefits from external tone mapping. I'd be curious to see if the LS12000 is leaving lots on the table, and can be equally improved with external tone mapping, or if its sort of already a lot closer to ideal.
Having owned the 5040, the 6050 and the LS12000, sell the 5040 while you can get something for it, and upgrade. If not this one, the next! The HDR capabilities on the 5040UB are abysmal. Each generation seems to handle it better.
Settings would've been great to know. Was fun watching you play with blanking lol. Epson ditched 3D on their new models? I don't get why the F they would screw us like that? A-holes went tech backwards.
Perhaps its because of the 170" screen, might be too large for the 6050? I would be really interested to see the difference on 120" screen between the two.
This comparison is questionable at best. Bulb projectors do dim over time but to show how dim this bulb was without stating the number of hours on the lamp is suspicious. Also, where was the lamp purchased?
@@tb1235 Yes! Definetly! In romania the same price you can buy an oled tv 77''(2,288usd), a 98'' tcl led tv for 1900usd even a TCL QLED 98'' for 3000usd. So, yes! I buy projector for 3d support. The projector, plus screen is much expensive. Plus, light control room, painted walls, screen projector, hq-cables arround the house, mounting on sealing, bulb replacing, become way expensive! So yes 3d is conviencing me... To buy a projector, to sacrifice the quality cuz i will use in a normal room, to watch a washout picture for 3d!(Instead of very good quality from a tv) But It has 3d, and that is amazing, Projector companies shoud think because projector buyers are not the same as tv buyers... So why remove such a great feature? I understand, some cinefiles don't like 3d because is distractive or I don't know, but as a movie entuziast, for me 3d is awesome. I will like to apologise If i offended someone and for gramatical mistakes, I'm from Romania, So I don't usually speak English.
I get it, 6050 is a great projector. All the guys that own it are trying to make themselves feel better that it’s as good as the LS1200, it’s NOT! 6050 best bank for buck projector period. He’s not here to calibrate this and that. He showed both real quick and I’m sure both can get better, but if you can’t see the Difference your crazy, but is it worth double the $$?? Maybe if you got it. Wonder if the 1100 is almost just as good as that price is a little more acceptable for us poor folk. I still may get 6050 (better deal and looks amazing) but a fresh bulb isn’t going to make it even with the LS1200. 6050 Is GREAT!!!! LS1200 is Greater and it should be for $5K!!! That extra $2,500 may not be worth the difference to many. But LS100 makes it $1,500 more.
Funny you should ask. I just installed the 1007 in a customers house with a 160 inch screen. There is defiantly a brighter image with the 1007 but the hdr on the 12000 is really good. I’d say for images under 135, it’s hard to beat the 12000. Anything after that you’re trading brightness for overall size.
If you need brightness over black levels and contrast, the ls12000 is king of the hill at its price point. If not, JVC NP5 is king. If you hate yourself, there is also the Sony xw5000es.
@ChristianBungert To be fair I haven't seen the 5000, but I did see the 7000 at Audio Advice Live last year and the tone mapping was so bad I was embarrassed for the Sony rep, especially given everyone was directly comparing it to the JVC in the next room. By the numbers, Sony has worse black floor, worse tone mapping for HDR, and half the native contrast compared to JVC. No HDMI 2.1 input. The only pros over the JVC NP5 are laser light engine which doesn't matter for PQ and reality creation, which a lot of people dislike anyway. It's marginally brighter, but if you really need a lot of brightness you would probably go for the Epson. I can't really think of any scenario where the Sony is best in this price range.
This is my room. I have had this projector now 6 months. In that time the laser has not dimmed in a meaningful way, and this bulb was 6 months old during this comparison. If you think a projector bulb should only last a few months before becoming too low to see then you can side on the side of bulbs. Life isn't always quantifiable, but taking lessons learned on the whole. Take away the good, and there is much good to be learned here.
it kind of is..gradual dimming of the image is a major downside to bulb projectors. These projectors are pretty close on paper. This video does a great of showing how much of a difference a laser projector makes. All my projectors get so dark near the end of the bulb..i also HATE changing the bulb so im not changing it prematurely either. If the 6050 had 2000 hours the difference would be INSANE. Unfortunately the LS1200 is 2x the price of 5050ub and i think a good chunk of that is covid inflation. The LS12000 would have been a good 1000-1500 cheaper otherwise.
It would be different if he failed to state it had an old bulb. This is a service only to show what "is" in this scenario provided. The good thing is, this channel doesn't lament idiots departing, so don't expect tears.
Check it out: Epson 2700 Lumen Sony 2000 Lumen, Epson 7100:1 nativ Contrast after AVITECT Master Contrast Tuning 299 €, without 4000:1 - 4500:1 Sony 7000:1 - 7500:1 Epson Ansi Contrast 450:1 Sony 250:1 EPSON DCI 80 % Sony 95 % Epson full automatic optic, Sony manuel Epson 4K Shifting, Sony nativ 4K All Calman checked.. So, it depends...
A bulb projector vs a laser but not knowing the hours on the bulb....dude!! lol I have an LS10000 here with 18,000 hours on it that might be a closer comparison to that bulb that is probably 3,000 hours.
Am i ret.... or does the 6050ub look like a 200 lumen ebay knockoff projector compared to the LS those UB settings must be way off thats either an upsale deal there or someones messed with the settings i mean come on
Yep: ret..😂 6050 got good brightness level and bulbs can last many thousand hours. Bulb based projectors drop ~15-25% of brightness after a few hundred hours. So LS12000 is 100lumen brighter, doesn't lose brightness and got adaptive gamma. I haven't found a reason to spend that much more and go from 6050 to ls12000 maybe skip it and move on to successor of that..
Agreed. I find it hard to believe that this lamp is genuine Epson bulb. I find it even stranger with all the comments questioning the comparison, no one has said what the lamp life was on the bulb.
I’m looking heavily into the Epson LS for my next unit. Currently sitting with the 4010 and it still looks good. I just have a hard time justifying jumping from the LS to the JVC or Sony. This thing truly looks amazing!!
If Epson had made it 3D compatible, I would have purchased it.I think that's still the biggest advantage for projectors. No modern TV does 3D. And that extra brightness would have been perfect. Jvc and Sony still include it. Maybe the next Epson model.
agreed. JVC it is.
Hard to compare without settings(a lot options on Epsons),hours on lamp. Ls12000 is just 100 lumens brighter on paper. If you engage dci filter on ub6050, difference would be explainable maybe! In terms of difference: 2200€ price gap/difference here..
And the ub6050 is more in the back of the room as well (light loss)..ls12000 picture looks greenish compare to ub6050 here.
That setup is perfect!
I love my LS12000. When my wife and i were watching Dune we couldnt turn the light output above 75% or the bright scenes or explosions made us squint. Bang for the buck you really cant beat it.
This is my theater above. I found that Dune was a confusing movie to behold. It was either too dark, or too bright at times. Lets film in caves and in the dark, whoops! Desert! That movie definitely puts anything to work for sure.
I have spent time with both in direct comparison and I have to disagree with most. The new projector has many positive things - 120Hz gaming, newer, brighter perception and perhaps crisper. However, the 6050 displays differently due to the difference between bulb and laser. I prefer by far the light from a bulb over a laser since the laser gives up a LED tv effect when presenting the image on the screen. If you like the sharper image by all means the LS12000 but I bought the 6050UB because I like the image being closer to film and the natural light effect. I hope by the time I have to go laser it is like LCD tv's catching up to oled and they can give back the more natural lighting I prefer.
You can change the RGBY settings with calibration to look natural, flat or dynamic. I tested with this projector and you can make it to what you describe.
re-run the test with a fresh lamp in the 6050..
The laser LS1200 will eventually move to 80% brightness as it ages over lifetime. That is years away. I think the best take away for this, is the 6050 bulb, not used but a few times a week was already degraded beyond what the LS12000 would be 3-4 years from now. The improved boot time, the increased color gamut, saturation, blacks, and native 4k, really mark a huge improvement.
Can you do a cheaper Ls800 vs a LS12000 to see if you can tell any major difference? I have the budget for both but a UST seems more convenient.
For. Non native projection the LS12000 is really good and the colors really pop v. The Sony I would say it was a little washed with the black levels and not as sharp as the Sony.
is 6050 in high lamp mode, and how many hours has the lamp run? is the 6050 in dynamic color mode? and has it been calibrated? what color mode is the ls12000 in?
It looks a little briter but you can adjust the settings on the bulb projector making it bright. Add Contrast and color if it needs it. I know i have a Viewsonic 4K.
Do you recommend I go though Benq for replacement lamps ? Really hoping for insight hear thanks anyways.
I have a Viewsonic 4K projector.and Compared it to a BenQ laser projector. The pic, color, brightness, sharpness was close to the SAME. You can adjust all the setting.
Which lamp mode and color mode on the 6050? You gave no insight into settings. Moreover we are looking via your camera which had a fixed iris set so no adaptaion like a human eye would do. Differences are exaggerated.
nice comparison just wish the LS12000 had the option to change lenses. I need to place my projector at the rear of the room so the LS has too short of a throw
Is that a 16:9 screen? If you put the 12000 on a 140in scope the image would pop
The LS12000 looks so much better in this comparison. I have a 5040ub and I find that it struggles the most with HDR, the blacks just get washed out. I've now got madvr doing tone mapping for it and its a massive improvement. I've heard that the stock tone mapping on the 5040/5050 kinda sucks and it greatly benefits from external tone mapping. I'd be curious to see if the LS12000 is leaving lots on the table, and can be equally improved with external tone mapping, or if its sort of already a lot closer to ideal.
Having owned the 5040, the 6050 and the LS12000, sell the 5040 while you can get something for it, and upgrade. If not this one, the next! The HDR capabilities on the 5040UB are abysmal. Each generation seems to handle it better.
Settings would've been great to know. Was fun watching you play with blanking lol. Epson ditched 3D on their new models? I don't get why the F they would screw us like that? A-holes went tech backwards.
Which projection screen is that?
Impossible that 6050 is looking so dim. Its a light canon. Something wrong with the settings.🙄
The HDR and the contrast levels played a large part in this.
You can change the settings and ad briteness, contrast and color. They will look close the SAME. I know I have a viewsonic 4K Hdr
Perhaps its because of the 170" screen, might be too large for the 6050?
I would be really interested to see the difference on 120" screen between the two.
This comparison is questionable at best. Bulb projectors do dim over time but to show how dim this bulb was without stating the number of hours on the lamp is suspicious. Also, where was the lamp purchased?
I have the 6050 and thought about upgrading...but no 3d on the new ones
Is 3d on projectors convincing?
6050 here also.. it's fine 😎
@@tb1235 Yes! Definetly! In romania the same price you can buy an oled tv 77''(2,288usd), a 98'' tcl led tv for 1900usd even a TCL QLED 98'' for 3000usd. So, yes! I buy projector for 3d support. The projector, plus screen is much expensive. Plus, light control room, painted walls, screen projector, hq-cables arround the house, mounting on sealing, bulb replacing, become way expensive! So yes 3d is conviencing me... To buy a projector, to sacrifice the quality cuz i will use in a normal room, to watch a washout picture for 3d!(Instead of very good quality from a tv) But It has 3d, and that is amazing, Projector companies shoud think because projector buyers are not the same as tv buyers... So why remove such a great feature? I understand, some cinefiles don't like 3d because is distractive or I don't know, but as a movie entuziast, for me 3d is awesome. I will like to apologise If i offended someone and for gramatical mistakes, I'm from Romania, So I don't usually speak English.
I get it, 6050 is a great projector. All the guys that own it are trying to make themselves feel better that it’s as good as the LS1200, it’s NOT! 6050 best bank for buck projector period. He’s not here to calibrate this and that. He showed both real quick and I’m sure both can get better, but if you can’t see the Difference your crazy, but is it worth double the $$??
Maybe if you got it. Wonder if the 1100 is almost just as good as that price is a little more acceptable for us poor folk. I still may get 6050 (better deal and looks amazing) but a fresh bulb isn’t going to make it even with the LS1200. 6050 Is GREAT!!!! LS1200 is Greater and it should be for $5K!!!
That extra $2,500 may not be worth the difference to many. But LS100 makes it $1,500 more.
For that size of screen, how close is LS12000 to the Epson EB-PU1007B?
Funny you should ask. I just installed the 1007 in a customers house with a 160 inch screen. There is defiantly a brighter image with the 1007 but the hdr on the 12000 is really good. I’d say for images under 135, it’s hard to beat the 12000. Anything after that you’re trading brightness for overall size.
Epson LS12000 is no joke guys! You’re not gonna find anything else that comes close in comparison for the price.
~Sony XW5000: Better blacks, native 4K, reality creation is nice
If you need brightness over black levels and contrast, the ls12000 is king of the hill at its price point. If not, JVC NP5 is king. If you hate yourself, there is also the Sony xw5000es.
@@Zachary_Setzer Agree on JVC, Epson..Sony:what? 😂
@@Zachary_Setzer LOL 😂
@ChristianBungert To be fair I haven't seen the 5000, but I did see the 7000 at Audio Advice Live last year and the tone mapping was so bad I was embarrassed for the Sony rep, especially given everyone was directly comparing it to the JVC in the next room.
By the numbers, Sony has worse black floor, worse tone mapping for HDR, and half the native contrast compared to JVC. No HDMI 2.1 input. The only pros over the JVC NP5 are laser light engine which doesn't matter for PQ and reality creation, which a lot of people dislike anyway. It's marginally brighter, but if you really need a lot of brightness you would probably go for the Epson.
I can't really think of any scenario where the Sony is best in this price range.
Adjust the settings. And make it brighter. Epson laser is OVERPRICED
I have Epson 9400w (6050ub) but its not so dim as in this test. (Original lamp 500h).
I had the 5050 and was really disappointed with the lack of sharpness of the image
SI eu vreau sa iau tw9400. Se descurca bine pe 3d?
Da, se descurca foarte bine pe 3d. Trebuie trecut in 1080p pt asta
@@DS-wb2we
What projector do you have now?
@GridHifi What is the distance of the projector from the 170 inch screen
20 feet.
How far away was the LS12000 from the 170 “ screen please ?
20 feet
Sir can u plss say What is the present height of the room including the screen height
Height of ceiling is just under 8 feet, the screen is 5-6 inches smaller.
would a fresnel screen brighter even in darkroom please?
The fresnel screen would appear brighter possibly. I am not aware of any that are acoustic transparent, as needed in this theater.
Would you say 140 inches is too big or the sweet spot for the LS12000?
Sweet
This review sucks. You dont lets us know what setting the 6050 is at.
hehehe
Correct... Was it in ECO? Mid power? Max?... Or was it in Cinema, Natural, Dynamic?.... We don't know... Not useful.
How far away is the ls12000 away from the 170" screen?
20 feet
Where is the Kaleidoscape undate setup? This is not looking to good for your Team.
Truly appreciate the video though!!!
Uncle Larry, lol!
6050 should of had new bulb..unfair comparison..
This is my room. I have had this projector now 6 months. In that time the laser has not dimmed in a meaningful way, and this bulb was 6 months old during this comparison. If you think a projector bulb should only last a few months before becoming too low to see then you can side on the side of bulbs.
Life isn't always quantifiable, but taking lessons learned on the whole. Take away the good, and there is much good to be learned here.
it kind of is..gradual dimming of the image is a major downside to bulb projectors. These projectors are pretty close on paper. This video does a great of showing how much of a difference a laser projector makes. All my projectors get so dark near the end of the bulb..i also HATE changing the bulb so im not changing it prematurely either. If the 6050 had 2000 hours the difference would be INSANE. Unfortunately the LS1200 is 2x the price of 5050ub and i think a good chunk of that is covid inflation. The LS12000 would have been a good 1000-1500 cheaper otherwise.
I'm throwing money at the screen but nothing happens? !
Unfair test..6050 should of had new lamp..I am now leaving your sight because of this..
It would be different if he failed to state it had an old bulb. This is a service only to show what "is" in this scenario provided. The good thing is, this channel doesn't lament idiots departing, so don't expect tears.
Sir what is the room height
8 feet
Check it out:
Epson 2700 Lumen Sony 2000 Lumen,
Epson 7100:1 nativ Contrast after AVITECT Master Contrast Tuning 299 €, without 4000:1 - 4500:1 Sony 7000:1 - 7500:1
Epson Ansi Contrast 450:1 Sony 250:1
EPSON DCI 80 % Sony 95 %
Epson full automatic optic, Sony manuel
Epson 4K Shifting, Sony nativ 4K
All Calman checked..
So, it depends...
I prefer the color from the older 6050 technology.
but dont you lose 3d I would keep the blub one so I could still watch 3d
A bulb projector vs a laser but not knowing the hours on the bulb....dude!! lol I have an LS10000 here with 18,000 hours on it that might be a closer comparison to that bulb that is probably 3,000 hours.
This bulb, was an original replacement, that did degrade quote quickly. I am not sure it was as bad, as the LS12000 was good.
how did you put 18k hours already? :O..so much porn i bet
Am i ret.... or does the 6050ub look like a 200 lumen ebay knockoff projector compared to the LS those UB settings must be way off thats either an upsale deal there or someones messed with the settings i mean come on
The original bulb life is really that bad on the 6050. The laser is estimated to degrade to 80% of its brightness over its lifetime.
Yep: ret..😂
6050 got good brightness level and bulbs can last many thousand hours.
Bulb based projectors drop ~15-25% of brightness after a few hundred hours.
So LS12000 is 100lumen brighter, doesn't lose brightness and got adaptive gamma.
I haven't found a reason to spend that much more and go from 6050 to ls12000 maybe skip it and move on to successor of that..
@@ChristianBungertPoint was I have a 6050 looks nothing like this same bulb for 2 years
Agreed. I find it hard to believe that this lamp is genuine Epson bulb. I find it even stranger with all the comments questioning the comparison, no one has said what the lamp life was on the bulb.