BAM! RV MANUFACTURER LOSES BIG IN COURT! WITH LEMON LAWYER RON BURDGE & GOOD NEWS
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- RV Lemon Lawyer Ron Burdge shares some good news for RVers with lemon RVs with the Wingman as well as a story that one manufacturer likely regrets!
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Slide outs are a nice idea, but you have the same problems whether you buy a $100,000 RV or a $2 million Prevost. Vehicles and holes in the frame structure, cantilevering modules and motorized sliding components don't play well together.
A good friend of mine,😮 who was a mechanic retired a couple years ago. He wanted to live in an R. V. He read all kinds of books and magazines about R. V's. He even went to a couple factories in Indiana Where they build RV's. What he learned was that they used the cheapest materials from the tires up.
As a former RV mechanic, I can tell you. An RV is peobabably the worst putchase a person could ever make.
Dodged a bullet, decided to skip a Covid model for a 08 dutchman motorhome. Low milage, stored inside, clean throughout. 60k miles now ,a few minor repairs, way ahead financially, like over $100,000. Thank you and Liz for the heads up
THIS MAKES ME QUITE HAPPY I BUILT MY OWN RV BY CONVERTING AN BUS!!😊😊
I have bought 3 motorhomes in my life.All were used and in good condition. I expected I would have some updates, which I do my self . If buy good used units you save a lot of money.
I saw a video from a woman who bought a Thor small motor home for $125,000. She hasn’t been able to use it for a year because they can’t fix her slide. She was told her warranty doesn’t cover slides!! They are actually telling her it’s not a structural issue. One repair place showed her a ONE inch gap between the slide and the rollers! Then, they had cut out a portion of frame to install something and no one remembered to weld it back. It’s unbelievable.
I don’t want to go to court over an RV purchase. I just won’t buy one.
@@sgt.grinch3299 - First step in the process of purchasing an RV is to retain a lawyer, and make sure you factor in your future lawyer fee into your purchase price….. note to self - research if lawyer fees can be financed with the RV bank loan.
I was going to be a lawyer until I found out that the law is not interested in truth, it is only interested in winning. Admit your faults and deal fairly with people. But lawyers make that impossible too!
You nailed it ,attorneys are 80% of our problems!
I hired Ron Burdge in the 90s for my lemon BMW motorcycle. Very stressful time, but Ron and I persevered and won.
Settling (one week before trial) with BMW of North America meant, full refund on bike, magazine subscriptions and attorney fees.
I am very thankful for Ron Burdge’s commitment to the fight.
The manufacturers will strive to run out your clock. Never give up.Ultimately, my stack of paperwork and photos were important for the victory.
P.S. I found Ron after a lot of searching, best in his field.IMHO
Magazine subscriptions?
You should seriously share notes with Liz Amazing.With a collective voice, your message will be more effective. She’s not viewer competition. Great guest today. There is hope.
Yuk!!
Decided to keep my 87 bounder,still looks good and no problems. Wanted something new but absolutely not after looking at the prices and crappy quality.
Bounder, was a game changer in the industry. Great price, great storage and tank capacity’s , not fancy but very functional. Good quality with simple systems that worked. I’m not up on the new ones but you have a classic. We did see some rusting problems on the compartment floors that had to be repaired after many years, but very fixable. Certainly worth keeping up in my opinion.
It's about time the rv industry is held to responsibly. This has been going on a while.
What you guys are talking about is exactly why my wife and I decided not to buy an RV. It just wasn’t worth a hassle, combine that with the problems with RV parks and the price of RV parks and fueled and all that we could stay in hotels cheaper.
Same with us.. We had always planned to buy an RV after retiring.. But, since the covid debacle, it is apparent that RV manufacturers are employing anyone that will show up to work.. Some of the things I have read about the quality of RVs at every price point, as well as the manufacturers and dealers not wanting to cover them, I will stay in short term rentals or hotels..
Worst industry in the country! So many people with little or no money being scammed is just disgusting! If you don't think this industry needs GOVERNMENT regulation, buy two....
and campgrounds are too expensive now. cheaper one around here is 750/month. some 1200/month. ridiculous for renting 30x70 piece of land
You shouldn't be buying things like rvs if you have little or no money.
@@chrisbuxton2778 You have a point. I think it should only be people with moderate and excessive funds that should be robbed blind. DUH!! Are you an RV salesman or in the industry?
@mzollnerable lmao. Everyone knows the industry yet they keep buying. Spending thousands of dollars on something they use 5 days a year. They are as asinine as the rv industry and you.
I don’t think government control is good but SOLID state lemon law is what is needed to hold manufacturers accountable for damages to consumers. RVs would be built right and make any repairs good.
If you buy a RV the first thing you need to buy for it is a large tool box. If you don’t know how to use those tools, give some serious thought to using motel rooms.
I hope the days of RV manufacturers building defective products are coming to an end.
That will never happen because it is not their intention to build a defective product.
It is usually some worker who didn't follow the proper procedure. Even with robots things can go wrong, for example when the calibration is done incorrectly or when an incorrect program is loaded.
That said, some issues are very expensive to solve after an RV is sold which is why they are often dragging their feet. But this isn't limited to RV's. Look at the issues with the Tesla Cybertruck. Vehicles might look simple, but they are complex machines and a small error can accumulate in a very big issue.
You never made an mistake in your life?
So true about slide-outs. RV Engineering is worse than pathetic. RV manufacturers do not care at all if things are reliable or even functional beyond the delivery date.
My buddy ended up after losing his job and a nasty divorce so ended up living in one full time. What he found is in reality that these things are made poorly, not made to last and not made to be used. Things broke constantly and leaks were common. Getting things fixed was near impossible even when he tried to get it fixed out of pocket due to parts availability.
Economist: You get what you pay for.
Shady RV manufacturer: Hold my beer.
So glad I listened to this. Learned somethings that would apply to other than an RV. I have had reservations about NDAs and am now aware of Consumer Review Fairness Act. Thank you for doing this.
Alan, you and Ron are great people to help us consumers fight with some of these unscrupulous dealers when necessary! Thanks!
After a lifetime of tent camping we bought our first tow behind in 2016.
Since them we had 3 RVs, two pull behind and the current Motorhome.
The two pull behinds where Forest River Rockwoods so somewhat recognized as "top of the line" and they basically had no problems.
Our Motorhome is a Thor product and produced in 2021 so during Covid era.
Two things that saved us a lot of headache:
1 - Our dealer (where we bought all 3 of them) did a really deep evaluation and found 46 items then fixed before delivering the MH to us.
2 - Besides trusting our dealer, I now take the MH to Thor service facility instead the dealer, the reason is because is faster and when you are paying (we have extended warranty) things are different.
3 - I did/do almost all repairs I can do at home because many independent Rv repair guys are not any better than what you find working at dealers...
Lesson is:
1 - Have a good dealer
2 - Have an extended warranty
3 - Learn to work on it yourself
Even people with cash enough to buy Prevost have problems.
I currently own two class Bs that have had problems from the start. One was fixed under warranty but took several months. I diagnosed and fixed a water leak in a joint myself than let them rip out the fresh water tank. I love both my RVs and we’ve immensely enjoyed our trips to the national parks and boondocking in the forests.
Tent camping is a option we did with our kids,growning up. Way cheaper, and alot of fun. Now retired, live in a 2003 Winnebago and it's been rock solid. Buy older and used. But check oit with good inspection. Learn to work on them.
Agree 100%, older RVs are quality, better made, less problems. 🤗👍
People make mistakes. But when flaws are DESIGNED there's gotta be accountability.
Well if you aren't ultra-wealthy and are a little bit of a do it yourselfer I think you'd be better off buying an older rig and spending some money to refit that one. I have a 24 yearl old Monico and I have spent a lot of money on it, some of it self-inflicted, but for all it's issues it has never been something that can't be fixed. All the equipment they installed back in those days was high quality stuff and you can get most of it off the shelf today. Also the cabinetry is very good. No particle board in this rig anywhere. None. It's built of steel, aluminum, fiberglass, plastic and plywood and they used plenty of screws. All fifty cabnet soors and drawer fronts and real walnut. All the plywood appears to marine grade.
A lot of these older rigs were built to last and with some investment and work they will still do the job quiet well. Also you won’t be spending money on lawyers and waiting 6 months to get a dealer to fix what they messed up to begin with. You fix it or find someone to fix it.
The only problem that irks me are the RV snobs that try to keep out everyone but the new rigs. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.
We had a 1994 Western RV fifth wheel, the thing was just a tank, never any real problems and it was heavily used. Sold it to friends who still have it.
Keep the videos coming, Alan. People need to hear these things!
The RV industry is in free fall and it will get worse before it gets better. The Mfg's are going to spend every dime preventing any sort of consumer protection right up until the dam breaks and they either must face a real lemon law, or complete collapse of the market, maybe both.
New RV warranty. 5 miles or 5 minutes, which ever comes first.
We went with no slideout because I just did not want to deal with the almost inevitable issues. Slideouts are nice but unless you just must have the space, I think your a whole lot better without them. No mechanical slides, no wall intrusion, stronger walls and less site location issues.
I can’t believe that a person has to spend so much time for buying an RV in good faith and then spend so much time fighting the manufacturers for their poor quality products they sell to the consumers. There are thousands of RV’s out on the road with problems strictly because of low quality parts and quality control that these manufacturers don’t by choice do with they are being made.
Glad to hear of some of these serious problems getting resolved, too bad it takes attorneys to resolve.
Great video. I’ve always considered slide outs to just be something else to go wrong. In my search for a class C, I was adamant that it had to have no slides. Found one and, so far, it’s performing well. I was willing to give up the extra space the slide provides.
The clock for RV warranty needs to only run when the RV is in usable condition.
If you buy an RV and something under warranty breaks the first month of use the warranty clock stops until it has been repaired to the customers satisfaction. If that takes 2 years so be it. The RV owner still has 11 more months of warranty. That would solve 95% of the problems in the RV industry.
That is not how warranty works. It is meant to cover manufacturing defects, not wear and tear.
@@Tugela60 and that is why the average time for a dealer to get to a warranty repair is almost 6 months. They know that all they need to do is let the RV sit on the back lot and burn the warranty clock. Then all the other warranty items are not covered any longer.
That and if you read your warranty "wear and tear" are expressly exclude from warranty.
The RV industry is the only one that has no lemon laws and allows the dealers to run out the warranty clock while "doing" the repair.
@@keithmalmberg8395 I don't know how it works in the US, but in Europe the warranty is suspended while the goods are being repaired. So if it sits at the dealer for 6 months for repairs, the warranty is extended for 6 months, so there is no point in doing that.
At least some US states apparently require adding days to the warranty for days in the shop, so I am guessing it applies in the US as well.
@@Tugela60 That is NOT how it works here. The clock starts the day you pick it up and stops for nothing. If the dealer can have it sit for 9 months after you take it out once they have burned the warranty and everything is now on the owner. Here they want it to sit.
@keithmalmberg8395 I don't know about the rest of the states, but tolling definitely applies in California. It is spelled out in civil code 1795.6. The warranty term freezes when you send the item in for warranty repair, and resumes when you get it back.
I believe that is how it works in federal law as well as per the supreme court.
Greedy people are a lot like a person with a gambling addiction. They don’t have the common sense to see that they are going to lose their money over poor decisions. They live in a fantasy world where they are not subject to any kind of logic. They are the lucky ones who always win. Until they lose everything.
Manufacturers should stand behind their products so Ron wouldn’t have the law practice that he does. Stories like this keep me from purchasing an RV. Instead I just save the money and go on more vacations.
The great American yard ornament.
Quite an eye-popping result, Alan, the manufacturer ends up paying multiple times what they would have had to pay if they had just agreed to mediate the case earlier! We have been very fortunate, we are on our third RV. The first two were junk. The current one is a Newmar Dutch Star, built in January of 2020, so just before the crappy Covid catastrophes were foisted upon unsuspecting RVers. This coach has been great, a few minor issues, but overall great build quality. I'm sure it helps that we are able to store it at home in a climate-controlled garage. Given that we live in Florida, I wouldn't want to spend as much on an RV that is exposed to the harsh weather conditions here 24/7, 365, although I suppose it's counterintuitive to think that way, since they are supposedly built for that purpose!
I have a 2000 34' dolphin motor home, this coach is rock solid! I wouldn't even think about a new one.
I have a 2003 Winnebago 36 ft motorhome, also solid.
2000 Four Winds Infinity- we looked at the dolphin and loved it, but I wasn’t ready to drive something that long!
Don’t be afraid to rv….just buy used….do your homework….enjoy
Need to have our illustrious politicians haul the heads of these companies before congress and start investigating their business practices.
No. We need deregulation and then let the marketplace decide. If a manufacturer builds junk, no one will buy from them any more.
Current owners? Well, lemons are for sucking on. Be more careful next time, it is your fault.
I hate government regulation but…it’s needed here
I agree it’s pass time 😢
I thank God I bought my rv before the pandemic rush.
No way I'm buying a new RV. I have a 2010 and will keep it for several more years. Never had an issue.
Yeah, I have a 1994 Winnebago trailer I bought several years ago.
I updated it to look new.
I wouldn't trade it for a new one if the new one was free and I was offered $1000!
Unionize the rv consumers.
Can enough owners of a brand ban together and do a class action suit?
That's why I absolutely love Liz Amazing on youtube
Why not list the rv brands you would buy. Example……if I had a hundred k and wanted to by a travel trailer or a motor home small enough to get into federal & state parks it would be x, y or z. And then why. It isn’t always about price it’s also about quality.
Airstream and check it out first. RV Salesmen are same as Car Salesmen as same as politicians(both parties) . Will promise the moon you end up with a rock.
@@allamar9083 What animal smiles?: Sharks, Alligators, Crocodiles, Snakes, and RV SALESMEN.
None of them. Due to the small volume manufacturers deal with, a well built vehicle would cost well north of 250k and consequently would have few or no buyers.
Why buy quality when you can buy junk for much less? In the end the lowest prices wins, and at 100k you are pretty much guarenteed to get garbage. You get what you pay for.
I wish I had some way of getting my money or at least a different unit. I was sold a unit with a leak that was not discovered until after the warranty. Long story but actual facts. Because I was unable to repair it I gave it to a guy who hunts and was able to fix it so it is at least being used instead in a junk yard. 20k was lost on that unit for me. Unreal how thee companies get away with this garbage.
Good info regarding how all lawsuits work. Consumer Review Act - Free Speech can't be taken away.
Maybe try looking into negotiating price based upon "AS IS" no warranty?
Then get full warranty coverage through your auto insurance company.
Thanks for posting this video.
Here's a foolproof tip for how to avoid having ANY PROBLEMS with an RV. Simply DO NOT BUY ONE OF THESE PIECES OF JUNK!. It is well known that these things are built as cheaply and shoddily as possible. By the way; there is no lemon law applicable to RVs. You must rely on making a case of fitness for intended use, which is a much harder case to make.
most of the sliders problems come from frames that are cut and not replaced the manufacturers forget to put a fuel pump in they cut the frame to do it they don't put the frame back the frame buckles the structure of the RV buckles and the slide out doesn't work...
NO RV or Motor home for me. My momma once said said "Lie to me once shame on YOU, Lie to me twice shame on me" No RV for me! I plan to keep MY money.
I had slide out issues on that 20-4 Jayco Melbourne. In the mBR slide it was separating from the floor. In the drivers slide in lr/kitchen the rollers & flaps failed & I had to pay for that too. But I bought used so no warranty. I had an inspection but apparently wasn’t thorough enough. Still a great unit once repaired. Found issues before they got too big. Kinda miss the tan tank now . . . ;-)
We looked at new models before we bought ours two years ago, after hearing so many horror stories, I’m so glad we opted to but used for our first RV. We spent $10k and bought a 2000 Four Winds Infinity Class A in great shape with 53k miles on it. We have put a new roof on it, a new generator in it, re-sealed all the windows, put new shocks on it, and it’s a fantastic unit! I wouldn’t give this thing up for the world! It’s paid for, is reliable, and we don’t even have any slides on it for them to go bad. They can take these expensive newer units and shove them! If we want to upgrade some things- we do it as we go along!
That's what we did and I'm glad we took that route. Bought a 2000 Monaco about 7 years ago and fixed a lot of stuff over the years. I like this old rig just the way it is. Of course we aren't the kind of folks who need to turn heads with something everyone knows cost a half a million bucks or more and can handle a lot of repairs myself.
Like a washing machine made to last 5-6 years , mine went in Canada you can only get one year warranty, if you live in USA you can get 3-4 years says so in the manual Samsung , I bought a new Maytag washer they give one year warranty, then you can purchase extra 4 years that kicks in after a year , basically you pay for warranty the manufacturer should have on there products
Warranty is for defects, not wear and tear.
@@Tugela60 Are you dumb or just out of clue. If it does not withstand to wear and tear of normal usage that is also a warranty issue. Companies need to make things as good as back in the days. MY clothes washer is over 20yrs old and still works great. They can build good quality they just get greedy and cut on quality.
Closed on a 2024 Flair 28 an August 8, 2024 from Great American Huntsville. It's been sent back to Ford in Chattanooga two times for an AC issue and GARV owed me at closing $1065. for an add on I decided against. It's June 19, and still haven't been able to use the coach and no check. This will not help the RV business and its deadened my interest in RVing...
Until the DOT or other government department starts regulating the Rv industry, there will always be problems in faulty products. Maybe an RVA = Recreation Vehicle Adminstration.
PLEASE. We don't need another government agency. Better warranty laws will do just fine
Big government, no thanks
@@michaelshepard9409 Big Government safety regulations probably saves your life every day.
@@jakemanchester5139 I had a warranty issue and a local dealer, who sold the same unit as mine would not do the work because I did not buy unit from them. Yes we need better government regulations.
The issue is that with the low volumes manufacturers produce it means that at current prices you are pretty much guarenteed to get junk.
These things are hand made, so if you want quality you are going to be paying supercar prices. A well built well engineered quality vehicle is going to be approaching what something like a Ferrari costs. This is something that most people posting here don't seem to understand.
I own a 2004 Holiday Rambler Alumascape 33 foot 5th Wheel that is very well made, however when it needs attention, I usually do it myself. My advice is, if you can't repair an RV yourself, stick with hotels and motels.
A five star hotel with room service and a concierge and air travel is much cheaper than paying $500/hr to an attorney to try to get that piece of junk RV running the way they market it.
They are handmade. For only 100k you are not going to get precision engineering 😂
If they get that "won't quit attitude" the lawyers can get together on the golf course and figure out how to bat it back and forth as long as possible to squeeze as much juice out of the lemon as they possibly can. The only thing they are going to take care of is their bank account.
Talk to any reputable independent RV repair/parts business and they will tell you slides are the biggest and most numerous repair item on an RV. They will also tell you there are more slide repairs than all other big buck repairs combined.
We are on our 14th rv in 32 years. I can say that we've not really had any issues other than, what I would call, the standard higgeldy-piggeldy items. Our current is a 2020.5 Heartland Big Country 4011ERD. We've been all over the midwest, the west and spend winters deep into Mexico. My gripes are NOT Heartland specific, but mfg. wide. POOR insulation in the belly. The last 2, a Montana & the current, it just got to where I took off the belly pan and replaced the insulation with some good Corning pink R7 and re-installed the coroplast. The second are the poor mattresses. We just give them to a secondhand store and put in a quality Sealy. Last is, again, not Heartland specific but a supplier. The water valve made by Anderson. Ours is the newer style, brass. 9 months it fills the on board tank when set to 'city'. No 'jiggling' or turning will stop it. Being a retired plumber, I took it off. ZERO way to do ANY maintenance on it. Heartland sent a new one under warranty (always had good service from them). I installed it. 9 months later it again does the same thing. I call Anderson. " Oh you have to turn the valve one direction all the time" (ZERO notes in the booklet saying this) "but we'll send you another". Installed it. 6 months later it again does it, even always turning it one direction. This time, despite saying 5 YEAR WARRANTY they want me to PAY for a new one, PAY to send the old one back and IF they find it defective, I'd be reimbursed for the valve only. Well I just put my years of plumbing together and re-configured the whole shebang and I'll not give Anderson ANY good lip service. 2 years on my renovation with no trouble at all.
You are saying the fault is from user error, one you keep making. At some point yes, they are going to get fed up with you.
@@Tugela60 I make no error. The error is in poor manufacturing by not making it maintainable (by not being able to replace a seal/oring) and giving it a 5 year warranty that they don't adhere to. They did not get tired of me but rather I got tired of them. I re-engineered it and will do the same on the next rather than deal with poor customer service.
@@iii9266 The O ring is failing because of abuse though. Otherwise it should last a decade.
@@Tugela60 There is no abuse. If it were to be turned in one direction only, that should be pointed out specifically in a manual on the operation of the valve. There is no mention of it at all, either in Heartland's nor is there any manual at all from the valve mfg... so again, no abuse.
@@iii9266 O-rings don't fail by themselves.
Thank you for posting
Skip the first minute and half.
Buy an older quality RV. Do your research. When I bought my first, we went to RV Parks and asked people about there coaches. We toured factories we research LAWSUTS, etc. we ended up with a used Dutch Starr DP. Spartan/Cummins. Toured full time for 4 yrs. NO issues of any consequence. No break downs and no slide out issues NONE. It was a 1999 38’ one large slide. Next coach was more recent. Purchased a yr2000 Dutch Star Spartan/Cummins ( if it ain’t broke, dont fix it). Same results. Now have owned it for 7 yrs, 5 full time. Again NO significant issues, no break downs, no slide out issues at all! It’s now 25 yrs old! 50K mi. Do most maintenance myself. So yeah, oldie buy goodie. Buy pre DEF. Get it looked at by someone experienced/professional. And I can STILL call Newmar for help or advice.
Yes. There's a channel where this woman points out the many issues with RVs. A couple of the RV makers didn't sue her over her claims but still have had their lawyers sent warning letters to her. I haven't seen a videos come out from her in a while. But she said almost all the new RVs have many quality issues and they don't do much of anything to fix them.
Thank you for ALL your videos chock full of great and helpful information!
I've been around awhile and I have seen a lot of changes in the RV industry. There were a lot of great campers in the 60s and 70s that were bought up or went bankrupt in the early to late 80s. Being a RV mechanic in those days you had to go the extra mile to replace parts with not the exact fit part that came from a different manufacturer. Then RVs became more complex with slide outs and second bathroom's and more electronics. But there are fewer manufacturers today in the industry than even in the 90s and early 2000s. The industry is just a very few huge companies manufacturing under different names and the consumer doesn't realize this when they buy their RV. Thank God for these platforms and others that help the general public ( when someone really wants to do research on what they are buying) to get into the coach and really look it over before purchasing it because poor slide mechanisms and poor fit and finish are not things that are easily fixed after a coach goes up and down the road.
I canceled a 2022 I order. Lost my deposit of $2k. But I don’t have any regrets
Yeah, you undoubtedly saved way more than the $2k you forfeited.
Consumer guarantee Law in New Zealand overrules any sketchy manufacturers warrenty, if it is not fit for purpose, then the seller is required by law to replace or fully refund, get away from the stupidity of having to sue, these rights are enshrined in Law
2021 Tiffin Phaeton 37 BH had 75 plus punch list items! Worst purchase ever. People don’t consider what you mention, you can’t use it yet you are paying registration, insurance, storage space and some pay on credit! Spent first year in a service center, cost us over $1,000 in fuel alone as closest warranty center was 150 miles away. Our bedroom slide from day 1 was problematic, 3 years later finally a new service center called out Lippert who clearly seen the slide hole was cut too big! We could see daylight out the slide edges but were told it didn’t have a seal so that was “added” then new motor, tracks etc! Now Tiffin is refusing to pay the $1500 cost to fix it. It works consistently now but for 2 years we never put out our bedroom slide. There’s more things they never fixed and we just got wire out driving it to service and started fixing stuff like drawer rails, bolts that hold down the sofa, filling in the huge hole behind bathroom cabinet were tons of road soot would cover the bathroom & bedroom, and more! 😭😭💔
Timely topic for us post covid RV owners.So far we are doing well with our purchased RV.
I’m so glad that some court system somewhere has finally done the right thing!
Most RV's are built below code , that's what may be causing all the problems
What code?
There is no code. There is a minimum standard from RVIA and UL but most don't use the UL spec
Most r vs are housing built below code and then subject things that structures aren’t normally exposed to .
You had better be a good handyman if you plan on owning an RV.
Does UA-cam read the comments? I like your videos and find them informative? If UA-cam does not read comments, I’d be happy to comment the word interesting or informative multiple times to help
It all sounds good. You can get a judgement but the court isn’t a collection agency. So they go out of business and open up the next day with a new name.
I bought a 2007 Teton 5th wheel and have had it 17 yrs now, It been great. The only thing I’ve had to repair is a bedroom ceiling fan and replace the washing machine and that’s it. The quality of a Teton is the best. Too bad Teton closed their doors.
It's a morally bankrupt industry.
It’s time something was done. An RV lemon is a nightmare.
This must have been an old case considering Gulfstream stopped Class A production in 2012, they still build B's & C's and pull behinds and are generally known for a quality product, I've owned a Class A for a decade with zero issues other than simply items manufactured by others that wore out from use. Another question why and how did a "federal arbitrator" become involved in this discussion, was the issue accepted in federal court? Considering the aftermath of Katrina and thousands of people attempting a Class action over "offgassing in FEMA trailers", the 5th U.S. Circuit said they can file individually but there was not going to be a Class Action. I'm curious as to how the federal courts and arbitrator was involved in this suit.
Sorry Gulf Stream is not known as a quality manufacturer. I’ve been in the industry for over 40 years, the opposite is the opinion of most experienced industry people. There are good manufacturers but unfortunately some questionable ones. Do your homework both in terms of the manufacturer and more importantly the dealer.
I’ve commented on your channel many times. I never had any response from you or anyone else. Ergo, what I was commenting about was either not interesting or pertinent. That’s why I quit wasting my time. But in this case, since you asked, comment, comment, comment.
The only thing these unscrupulous dealers and manufacturers understand is the bottom line. Sue them until their eyes bleed.
Larry from Texas
They ask for comments not because they care or want to read or respond but because they want to get more comments because it helps the UA-cam metrics for their channel and helps them make more money. So he doesn’t care about any of your comments. It’s all about money.
@@kellanhills1972 Ahhhhh ... the plot thickens
Is the quality of RV builds going back to what it should be? I will not buy one made in the covid years.
Experience tells me to approach both rvs and lawyers with a high degree of skepticism.
I also want to go for a vacation with Liz Amazing in her RV.
There are some good RV companies and RV shops ( like a local Mom and pop RV center that has been in business for multiple generations ). Even our RV a 2016 Forest River Wildwood needs regular maintenance and a few odd part replacements. As an example the grate on our stovetop needs some grommets replaced. That was a wear item and cost less than $5 for a bag of grommets and about 5 minutes to fix it.
Does Liz Amazing know of this? She stays on these manufactures who have become crooks to the public.
Liz has helped some individuals but hasn't been able to change the industry yet. Alan mentioned her a while back but wasn't really positive about her efforts.
@@raybonecrusher4516 He wasn’t “…really positive about her efforts.” That statement just made me think less of the Wingman. She’s making a difference and that should be noted.
Great information. Thank you.
Interesting info
My wife and I once dreamed of buying an RV to use in our retirement.. I used to RV, my wife never has.. Since the covid situation, we saw prices soar and quality decline so much that we scrapped the idea.. Some of the complaints I have read about on here are amazing, and some are on $500,000 motorhomes, not some low end model.. There's no excuse for this, and I suspect it's why we are seeing a strong decline in RV sales and prices are in free fall, but still too high for the junk they are selling.
Famous words - “I know a really good lawyer, an honest one, trust me”.
I have less problems with my 40 year old mobile home than any of the four RVs I owned. Got a lot worse during Covid!
How do owners under warranty deal with the fact for some who are actually living in their RV full time? While being serviced under warranty for months they are homeless. Are they compensated?
Bought a 2021 grand design 22 mile and love it I’ve had a couple issues and grand design have been great, my dealer General RV in Birch run Michigan they are useless.
I've owned 14 different RV's over the years...the best one was my 2001 , 232 coachhouse motorhome.
Where can I get that shirt??
Excellent news