Is Intel's X99 Platform Still Relevant at All? - Taking a Look at the HP Z440 Workstation
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2024
- Hello there and welcome to my video. In today's video, I'll be taking a look at the HP Z440 workstation to see if one of these systems, or anything based on Intel's X99 platform for that matter, is still worth it today. I'll test three CPUs in this video, those being the Xeon E5-1620 V3, Xeon E5-1650 V4, and the Xeon E5-2697 V4. I'll test these chips in gaming benchmarks, synthetic benchmarks, and DaVinci Resolve.
Music, in order:
Beyon - Patrick Patrikios
Komorebi - Futuremono
Island Dream - Chris Haugen
A Caring Friend - Bad Snacks
Sunny Days - Anno Domini Beats
Soul Searching - Causmic
Hanging Out - Bruno E.
Nine Lives - Unicorn Heads
Papov - Yung Logos
Sunday Rain - Cheel
Six Seasons - Unicorn Heads
Watching this now from an HP Z440 Workstation...
Z420 here lol
X99 is still an amazing platform, i picked up a e5 2680 v4 for only 8 bucks and it runs like an absolute beast for the price
I've been using a Z440 with 4x16GB RAM, E5-2690v4 (HT on) and a Radeon 6600XT as a gaming PC for the last two years. It's great except for those games that love single thread performance.
So most games then lol.
@@Markknightexeter It's not as bad as you think. Plenty of AAA titles can max out my 6600XT running at rougly 3ghz overclocked. Games like Assetto Corsa however are a different story. I just played through The Last Of Us at nearly maxed out settings without issues and it was a great experience well over 60 FPS at 1440p.
@@spenumut fair enough, can you push it any further?
@@Markknightexeter Probably, to be honest I can't remember every games settings, but I'm usually not CPU bound except for on old games. If the 6600XT can handle it, I can play it to most of it's potentional. I mostly just play Forza Motorsport on it, but I am limited to 1440p else I get constant over VRAM limit messages due to only having 8GB VRAM. It's extremely abnoxious due to the game running just fine if you dismiss the message but it's full screen and not easy to deal with when playing in my sim rig, but no fault of the platform. Other than that I play a few Xbox 360 games at 1080p with Xenia, again, with great performance. All the cores really help with streaming though the GPU encode is still doing a lot of the heavy lifting. I'm rarely limited by the CPU, it's more the GPU these days. What I have noticed is the CPU scheduler will not use the CPU to it's full potentional if left to it's own devices. If I set the CPU speed to always be 100% in power settings, all 14 cores run at 3.2ghz (max turbo for all threads loaded) all the time, instead of letting it dynamically change and I've noticed a sizable difference in performance, especially in Assetto Corsa.
I was using my Xeon to run a game server in my house along with doing some audio workstation stuff. I recently upgraded it to a 5900X. OMG, I should have done that years ago.
In gaming sections: I noticed screen tearing which kinda annoying for me 😅
I built an X99S based system (5820K) in 2014 and used it for cad/modeling and general riff raff for a good, long time. It was, sadly, the last quad channel 8 DIMM (with the brand new of the time DDR4) mobo I've seen for this class of computer. Paired with initially a single 970 and later twin 1070ti OC'ed to the moon, I was a pretty happy guy. Punched above it's weight even with one GPU, but it became a whole nother beast in SLI. Still have it powering the house mini file server. 👍
That sounds like an absolutely awesome build!
The X99 is the best bang for your buck platform on the planet. You can get near threadripper levels of performance, for next to nothing, with a dual CPU model ($150 max) and 2 14 core Xeons (that cost like $30 each CPU). They use a lot of power, but not enough to skyrocket your electric bill. Considering how popular fracking is in Pennsylvania, electricity is relatively cheap here, even under the trainwrecks that are currently in power in Harrisburg and Washington, DC. I have 2 X99's, one is a single CPU and the other is a dual CPU, that I'm still in the process of putting together. The single CPU build currently doubles as a Cybersecurity/IT homelab and a gaming PC. I absolutely LOVE my X99, they are the best budget platform you can use today, the levels of performance are staggering, especially when using a lightweight Linux distro. I use Arch btw! Lol. I use an RX590 GPU and can even play modern titles at low settings. The dual CPU build will have dual GPU's as well; I have a Titan Xp for a locall LLM and will be getting an RX6700xt for actually playing my games, and the only thing I have left to purchase is 128GB (maybe even 256GB, idk yet) of RAM. With looking glass, I can split my AMD GPU and play multiplayer games with my son on 2 monitors. The X99 is not just relevant, it's the smart choice, so long as you aren't looking for top of the line performance and 7,000 fps. If that's what you want, then no, but if you just want to play modern games at a steady 60fps (probably more, but I cap them there anyway) and have a powerful system for other stuff on the cheap, the X99 is the motherboard for you. That old Sandy Bridge architecture, on these 10+ year old Xeons, was so much better than people give it credit for. Hot swapable SSD's/HDD's, and being able to boot ANY Windows drive (that was installed on another PC) in a VM or bare metal, are definitely bonuses too.
14,000 points. Threadripper from what decade? That is like AMD 5700 level in Cinebench. A used AMD 3950X scores 22,000+. A 7950X - still not Threadripper - scores around 38,000. A 96 core Threadripper goes to 160,000+ points.
I was on X99 for about a year in 2021-2022. Great platform for overall value and cores per dollar. But I ended up building an Intel 12th gen system in summer 2022 with a 12700F and a 3060, and now have a 4070 in it. Needless to say it's far better at gaming and multicore. More than double the single thread performance.
I'm using an E5-1650 v4 in a Dell Precision t5810 that I found on the side of the road as my daily. Pulled over after seeing the big tower which was missing it's side panel. Threw it in the back of my van and took it to work and spent several days taking it apart and cleaning and decontaminating it, took it completely apart and cleaned everything several times at work. (I never take stuff home I find that is dirty, don't want that shit in my house.) It wouldn't POST as it was and it was full of filth, hair, and animal anal fuck. It still had the cooling ducts for the DDR4 RAM. Have no idea how this computer got to this state and I was blown away by it having quad channel memory. I doubled the memory and put in a GTX 1070 and also added an Intel 750 series NVME SSD card, it already had the 680w power supply. Love this computer.
Watching from a Z440 with 2697a v4, 128gb 2400mhz, and titan xp. It's a solid system for mixed workstation tasks and casual gaming. The G2 turbo drive cards are a nice upgrade. I went with the 2697a v4, since it clocks higher than the 2697 with more than 6 cores being used.
I wonder if there's a bios setting you're missing or HP is limiting turbo with the 525w psu for some reason.
Yooo that's awesome dude, I'm watching this from my z440, 2697a v4, 64gb 2400mhz, 1660 TI! I just built it, like 5 hours ago, couldn't believe my eyes when I read the title!
Yeah, the thought that the 525W PSU could be a limiter was something I thought about, it would be weird but also what can you expect from HP haha
@@CHWTT 1000 watt supply is a simple bolt on. I think I spent $43 for an OEM 1000 watter. I also got all the different plastic shrouds for the RAM and front panel fan.
If you disable hyperthreading on the 2697v4 it could improve the 1% lows in some games. Nice video showcase.
I prefer the 2697A v4, higher base clock
Yes turbo unlock 2698v3 for $20 can’t be beat. Pair with a dual socket mobo and 128gb ram can be done for $200
at the time that I put together an upgrade for the PC that I'm using now, I recall older gen Ryzen stuff still being a little too expensive for my liking. X99, on the other hand, seemed a lot more appetizing with how much cheaper it was in comparison. I still attribute it mostly to just the timing and being lucky (gambling on eBay listings that are sold for parts/untested), but to go from a 2500K + 750 Ti to a 5960X + 1080 Ti was a staggering leap, especially given that it was maybe ~$200 in total in terms of parts. Still definitely works well these days, despite being a decade old by now.
The real trick to these Z440 Workstations is to save about $30 bucks getting a Barebones system without CPU or RAM... Because not only are you always going to upgrade the CPU anyway; But also the prebuilts usually come with 2133 MHz RAM. When you upgrade to a Broadwell V4 CPU, you are going to want slightly faster 2400 MHz. So go with the Barebones and bring your own RAM.
But no matter what you get, always make sure it has that higher 700 Watt PSU, unless you plan to run it as a headless server.
There are dozens of other CPU choices that make sense, depending on whether you need more Cores, higher Base clock, or higher Turbo clocks.
Some other good ones include:
2687W V4 (12c/24t) [3.0/3.5]
2697A V4 (16c/32t) [2.6/3.6]
2689 V4 (10c/20t) [3.1/3.8]
2696 V4 (22c/44t) [2.2/3.7]
2673 V4 (20c/20t) [2.3/3.6]
(cores/threads) [Base/Turbo]
A couple of these CPU's are OEM only and rare to find on eBay, but can be found on Aliexpress more readily.
You can stick with Haswell V3 CPU's with slightly lower IPC and the slower RAM limitation... But they are capable of a Turbo Unlock BIOS mod that can overtake the gap, plus some. It's not for the faint of heart; So if you are uncomfortable flashing BIOS, just go with Broadwell V4.
Thats some great info, thanks for sharing!
Hold up the 2696 has *22 cores*? And it can reach 3.7Ghz boost?
Just how much power does that thing guzzle at full bore
@@DESARD12
150 Watts.
These Xeons are Turbo limited by their hard-locked TDP cap... Which is why the Haswell V3 BIOS mods for Turbo Unlock usually include a slight undervolt... So they can hit all cores max Turbo and still stay under the TDP cap.
Note the 2699P V4 (22c/44t) [3.0/3.6] with it's much higher Base clock, has a huge TDP limit of 300 Watts... But it is super rare OEM Amazon AWS server exclusive... I've never seen one in the wild.
@@KomradeMikhail I see, wonder how high it would go with no limits.
Gonna keep my peepers open for a 2699P, rare as it may be.
@@DESARD12 any of those xeon has TONS of headroom as the stock vcore is super low at like 1.1V so i wouldnt be suprised if an unlocked one could be pushed beyond 4GHz to 4.5GHz allcore
Been building x99 build for a few years with chinese boards, had e5 2620v3, 2630v3 and 2630lv3,2670v3 even have one remade as a keychain accessory, 2678v3 is still working in my friends pc for 4th year now, have myself e5 2696v3 which is still best cpu you can get for x99, it's same e5 2699v3 but better because it supports DDR3 AND DDR4 memory and FREQUENCY is higher, Beauty of x99 v3 is that you can install modified bios from Miyconst channel and single core boost frequency will be applied to all cores making it overclocked. E5 2696V3 will try to boost to 3.8ghz all core however it has 18 cores 36 threads it hits powerlimit so usually cores stay at 3.3ghz, however you can set core count to 10 cores 20 threads and it will be rock solid 3.8ghz with all that 45mb of l3 cache. x99 Was so ahead of it's time keeping this system as backup pc while i used 7950x and later 7950x3D as main pc. I wouldn't get V4 xeon's since turbo boost mod doesn't work for them and usually multiple times cheaper v3 cpu with mod will be faster because of higher frequency. Such a fun system to tinker
I know your pain man because I had a similar experience with a Dell Precision T-3600 which comes with SAS ports on it (Serial Attached SCSI) which looks very similar to SATA ports but they are not and the Windows 10 installer would NOT detect and storage drives. They function differently. I had to install a driver that would add SATA port compatibility mode to the SAS ports and then after that the windows 10 installer saw the drive.
I've been running an Asus X99 Sabertooth board with an intel Core i7 6850K and 8•8GiB of RAM since 2016 now and slowly, very slowly I'm edging closer to seeing a reason to upgrade in the next few years - maybe. Designed and purchased in 2016 as a load-testing unit for development work and taken home when the company folded just weeks later, I plugged a 1080 in it and it became a rocking game machine. After prices settled a bit, I "recently" replaced the 1080 with a 3080TI which is the state it's in now - eight years old, still no real reason to upgrade.
For IDE-Modus, i think you need a Windows Installation-Stick formated/preconfigured for MBR-Systems - what is to be chosen in the Rufus-Menu. Because IDE mode does not know UEFI-protocolls. And Windows 10 needs help to be able to get installed on older systems.
there are also wiring harnesses that allow you to use standard atx . also the pin out for front panel is public :)
Thanks UA-cam for not sending me notifications for this channel for 3 months
I still run my 5820k OC to 4.2Ghz, it's not very good these days but I manage to play any modern game so that's OK I ugess.
What CMOS battery tester is that? Looks really cool.
Hello, X99 expert here. You will almost NEVER see the rated single core CPU clocks unless you’re doing almost nothing. They aren’t like modern chips where they’ll try their best to boost as high as they can. X99/2011-3 socket CPU will default to their all core turbo boost once more than 3/4 THREADS are being used. Always look at the all core turbo numbers when you’re choosing a CPU for this platform, because that’s what you’re gonna see 99% of the time.
Personally I recommend either the E5 2667V4 8 core @3.5Ghz all core for gaming. Or the E5 2690v4 14 core 3.2Ghz all core for other stuff.
Are X99 i7s compatible with turbo boost unlock?
@@chedds probably. But only the 5XXX series
@@jamesgarrett3000 interesting, thx
@@chedds i7s are overclockable though (as long as the bios allows it)
@@rafradeki yes but most people aren’t going to have an overclock able board these days. Gonna be mostly
Old workstations.
i'm literally replying to this in my 'daily' rig, an asrock based system running a 6800k in the 2011-v3 flavor.
its literally avoided all the crappy exploit bugs that have plagued all the other sockets. why? no idea. but it has.
I just built a 1650v4 system, its dose really well on titles where core speed is more important than core count.
I installed Windows 11 on an NVMe. I configured the AHCI issues after 😎
I just got a pair of E5 2699 v4's and it is an absolute beast of a system and in real world apps there is no difference between my 9950x system and my Xeon system. Unless you are actually looking at statistics or FPS you wouldn't really notice a difference in day to day tasks or gaming. So many cores for so little money. What an amazing time to be alive!!
Well, 44 Broadwell cores vs 16 Zen 5 cores, not exactly a surprise when it comes to multithreading. It must be costly in terms of power, though.
Yeah, cost-per-core on this platform is amazing right now!
How do you define "Worth it"? It's still a viable platform. Better than most laptops. Doesn't have any of the factory over-clock nonsense that Intel used in the 13th and 14th gen CPU's. My wife uses a HP Z440 for google docs. It's better than the high end NUC she had been using.
You can get a HP Z4G4 for about the same price as the Z440. It's a gen newer CPU wise.
Depends what you want for google docs. Ironically my 2018 Lenovo struggles to run MS word back in 2018
@@Balrog-tf3bg She does massive spreadsheets. Typically 5-8 tabs worth of them in Chrome. I know all the data isn't on her machine but, the old machine (newer than the Z440) struggled.
The new (old) one has 128 gigs of memory. That could be helping some. The old machine has 32.
@@quademasters249 ironic if you’re not a gamer how long old pc parts can last. Thats cool
@@Balrog-tf3bg I threw a 2080ti into my HP Z4G4. It's a credible gaming machine now. It's better than most machines on Steam today.
Nice! For a work and game machine at $160 tho i just go with machinist pr9, 2680v4, 32gb 8x4 2400 server ram (ebay), 512gb NVMe, free/cheap usable case off locals, cheap psu 600w+ used or perhaps apevia spirit, and still have about $20 left to start thinking about a used gpu. i get full rx580s off locals for about $40-$50 no haggle. these parts certainly dont have great longevity on avg, but neither does a heavily used z440 lol
I run a E5 2680 v4 in a home server. One server runs a plex server, home automation, several virtual machines, Truenas, and several other projects I'm not comfortable discussing publicly. x99 is absolutely still relevant.
You can get the atx pin out then use a volt meter to see whats what on the hp power supply and and mod the pin out. If ya wana keep the psup
Even though, I finally switched to PC build/Hackintoshing back in 2023, I'm certain I would still be happy with my even older X58-based, hot-rodded Mac Pro 5,1-A workstation I was using as far back as early 2012, so I would say X99 is definitely still relevant, for many use cases.
Agreed, X99 is totally still relevant for a lot of stuff these days
Watching this from an HP Z420 Workstation lol
It's October 2024 and I'm still searching X58, X79, X99 and X299 motherboards instead of the new Ryzen or LGA1700 systems that is way better than these
There is just something special about all of these Discontinued HEDT platform that I just can't move on
Those HEDTs just have that cool factor, wish there was wider availability for X299 here, on US I see some crazy good prices but we can't have any of those things
Never had access to Z440 outside of work - but i had chance to daily run and even modify Z420.
It is very easy to swap cooler there because you don't need any kind of dongles / adapters /splitters to addapt your cooler, you can just transfer connector / header from the HP cooler to any after market cooler you buy
while case fans uses standard 4 pin header - which makes them very easily to replace, same with the memory fan
front panel needs special "bracket" to mound the fan, but you can just 3d print one - this is what i did xd
only "lock" for you is that without replacing PSU (which needs special 3d printed bracket) you only got 2x6 pin PCIE cables, so at max you can only get true 1x8PIN for your GPU which technically limits your use... but i don't see point of going anything above GTX 1080 for the v1/v2 lga 2011 xeons :D
Have plenty of Z440's at work, and my personal daily driver is an X99 i7-5960X overclocked.
Do these systems have tpm 2.0 for win11 compatibility?
yes I have one, Its running TPM 2.1
BIOS update is required
Nice i have have the older Z420 / Z820 and as far as i know they don't. Good to see that this can and are not too expensive.
you got it for great price, uhh its:
180euro Z440, 1620 V4, 16gb ram, AMD 2GB GDDR5 card (unexplained) it may be an R7-250, 256gb ssd
190euro Z440 1620 V4, 32gb ram, K2200 4gb DDR4, 256gb ssd
id say its more better to build a budget ryzen system next to these prices that are available locally.
Good price. I have one of these as my back up PC. With the cheap price of upgrading the CPU and the Power Supply, it can be a legit gamer, and of course do the things Workstations are meant to do. As for the frame rate decrease after upgrading the CPU, that is more than likely due to the lower single core frequency.
the 8 core highest frequency chip will do best in games think it was a 2667v4
or a 12 core disable hyper threading. You want to get the highest clock speed you can
For 130 dollars that's a good deal . If you have to pay more than 200 buy a ryzen modern ryzen processors will kick two of these eras processor's ass and they are now on craigslist for fairly cheap. I wanted one of these two but my ryzen 6 core laptop is so fast that it isn't worth it.
Been thinking about this myself. I paired a 5930k with 2070 super. Cpu is at 4.6 and ram is 3000mhz. It stutters sometimes and feels like it can’t always fully utilize the gpu. Going to look into modding the bios with Sam support.. most of x99 lines up between 1800x and 2700x. Imo the low cost of 12th gen and zen 4 which are already 3 years old have replaced any older platform. Especially if building from scratch
That's reasonable for sure, as something like a 5700G will beat the 2697 v4 even in multicore. I think the best argument for X99 today though would be the fact that you can get a whole system with a 2697 for
@@CHWTT true. Even shopping good deals those setups would cost 600 to 800 once you include a reasonable graphics card ssd, the rest. Can’t remember the channel but they compared 6900k to erring e5 i9. Last get top end mobile chip on atx motherboard. The 6900 lost every comparison. Even so I think top parts are huge fun. Once 1000$ plus parts, now the ultra affordable options
1630v4 4402pts in CB23 917pts single core
PCIe lanes go brrrrrrrrrrr
Does video editing require a lot of memory?
It kind of depends on what you're doing, with the editing that I do, I don't go much above 25GB of usage. However, if I used more complex effects and color grading, I'd definitely use way more. My general rule for video editing though would be no less than 32GB of RAM.
The 16xx v4 chips suffer from low cache and core count despite having higher clocks compared to the 26xx chips. I have a 2666 v3, it is 10core/20thread with 25mb cache and boosts to 3.2ghz, it is a pretty good chip which I got for 12$ shipped from China to the Philippines.
It's still capable of gaming in 2024, but I use it for xeon servers.
I think it can`t compete anymore, it`s not completely obsolete but really aging.
It is inefficient compaired to systems of today and slow.
i think thers two ver of the 700w psu as my frinds z440 has to 6pin pcie power outs while mine has only one unless i miss it somwere
The second one is usually tucked away in a clip behind the front intake fan.
Sadly the CPU's and motherboards of x99 do not comply with Windows 11. Mine is now e-waste. One can pick a few Xerons and load EEC ram to make it into a server, but there are newer and cheaper options now that chew a lot less electricity.
No longer best choice for budget PC even Zen 1 Ryzen 1600x used are now often cheaper and will be faster in games/
2667v4 is about the same price as the Ryzen 5 1600x and is way better at gaming (at least here)
@@chedds At least used ryzen mobos are cheap, on x99 you either have to choose expensive used hedt or dubious quality chinese brand
High performance power profile most of the time on old Xenons helps it boost higher.
Yeah, I expected the reason for the chip to not be turboing to be due to that kind of a setting, but interestingly enough I recall that the power profile was set to max performance, and it still didn't quite hit 4GHz.
so DaVinci Resolve uses NVENC for h.265 exports but uses CPU for h.264? Weird.
Yeah it is a bit weird, it could be something to do with the fact that I'm not using the paid version of DaVinci resolve in those tests, but I'm not 100% sure.
@@CHWTT oh, okay, well that inspires me to try DaVinci Resolve myself, knowing that. I was going to export to h.265 anyway, so hopefully my GTX 1050 will work for that.
Whating on a HP z640 with a E5-2699 v4
Awesome build! How much did you pay for the 2699? they cost over 200 euro where I live, so it wasn't worth it, got myself a z440, 2697A instead
A 6850k is where its at if the hp can push the bclk 😅
i don't think those HP will even support 6850K
@@Karti200 elegant no, but i used to have a 6900k in the one i had as a server, install throttlestop, install xtu tada can even overclock it at that point. If u have xtu installed, remove it, install throttlestop, reinstall xtu! It's not elegant, it's software overclocking, but it works.
Though HP being HP it might depend on the motherboard.
server hardware sucks ass, like its cool if you want to run a game 20 times at the same time but all of them will run at 20 frames, nothing u can do to help it cuz if u want to change anything you will need a pro that knows the sistem. its all propietary and its all blocked by software
save yourself a life of pain and just buy a regular computer
Isn’t the z440 c612 and not x99
Everyone calls the socket x99 for convenience even if it is not so
Your title caught my eye. I rocked x99 systems for years. This vid is so true. My company throws away systems like this every month. I pilfer parts all the time and if the shell is in great shape... Your spot on, its now so cheap to kit out to the max a system like this for under $250 in many cases. And other than power draw they make bad ass cheap rigs. Video card is all on you with 5 year old quadro / rtx cheap as well. I already scored an RTX A4000 and A5000 from work stations being tossed. Just nuts. Rebuilding a Precision 7720 laptop I grabbed tonight. Discarded workstation desktops and laptops are where its at for us nerds on the cheap. Pay attention folks
Mannn a A4000 and A5000 from the junk pile? Thats absolutely INSANE!
Can I dumpster dive at your job?
@@CHWTT It is insane. Thats the perks of working for a giant company. They just dont care when or what gets replaced / discarded. I thought it was badass when I found P5000 and RTX 5000 in em. Never would have thought A series would be tossed as well. The weird part is the CPUs they spec in these systems are easily best'd by desktop chips of the same era. I dont get it. But yeah man your totally right how these workstations are the best deal around. We pay a company to take our ewaste, hence why this stuff shows up places cheap as heck. And why drives are missing as they get shredded. Another thing to note is how ECC registered ram is compatible with these system and abundant / cheap as well. I built a Ryzen 5900x with 2 64gb chips I yanked from a workstation. Not great speed but I didnt care. The A\V gear that gets toss is badass too. Thats my first love. Crown 8ch class D amp. Unreal. Dont dismiss Pro gear folks. Your totally missing out.
@@thetechcorner7204 Granted the stuff isnt free on the after market. But CHWTT is right in thats the best deal in town.