Destiny watches Aba and Preach video, followed by Aba coming on to discuss the drama and transpobia allegations made by Hasan OG VIDEO: @HasanAbi Called us Transphobes... Hear Why ►ua-cam.com/video/iKtR45qqDaU/v-deo.html Hasan Calls Aba And Preach Transphobic For Defending Destiny ua-cam.com/video/PLXJ-XPuFkU/v-deo.html Offering The Red Pill To Aba & Preach ►ua-cam.com/video/lEh4pI3Nyjw/v-deo.html
hasan should start calling people "crypto transphobes" . He was too stupid to figure out how to say it, but that was what he was trying to say about aba and preach.
I think one thing Aba and Preach could do more of is review transphobes and call out the other side more, sort of like Destiny does. That way, people can see the more even coverage and find it harder to call them transphobes. When someone calls them transphobic, one of their supporters can send that person an entire video of them disagreeing with someone who is transphobic.
I’m glad I watch Hasan. As a college student, I have to write a good amount of papers and when I write these papers I think “do I sound like Hasan?” It’s my own little trick for looking for half baked ideas within my writing. My professors have even told me my writing has improved.
@@MelonWaterMelon777 saying that their argument would boil down to its not natural and they said exactly that but in a more weasely way "transitioning is unnatural" but apparently that's just "nuance" according to you and destiny. I don't watch hasan like that either, the clip of hasan was just in this video?
If he didn't, he'd lose money. It is absolutely his job to support what a certain percentage of the left believes in. Currently thats trans rights. If it happens that something in the future become leftist majority position he'll take that too. If he doesn't, he loses money He doesn't even need to argue his point at this stage, he can just state it and people feel comfortable that Hasan the prophet also agrees with them
it's more that he uses Maskeraded well meaning as an excuse to be condescending and rude to people. I don't think that he actually cares about the issues he claims are so important to him. He just likes to put people down, without someone to hate, people like Hasan would starve.
That painful back and forth in Hasan's head was hilarious. Hasan: They are transphobes so I hate them. But I do not know about who they are. You say they criticize people I hate? I should love them. But you say they have criticized me? Then I think I should hate them..." Pure gold.
Aba and preach unironically have the best takes. They Like Real, Actual people who just happened to blow up on YT & Somehow managed to stay real, actual people despite bieng YT famous. Unlike most "influencers," the longer they are on yt the better they get. Most "influencers" turn Into weirdos in L.A. who completely forget what it's like to be normal, incognito, working dudes! They win every debate, controversy they get in by staying honest & humble .
It is SOOOO hilarious to me that if are you just a regular person, who is honest and is decent at talking. You are a diamond in the rough of streaming/youtube. Like that is so rare that you stick out LOL.
“I don’t need to know their talking points because I’ve already heard every talking point already from every transphobic-“ By his admission, as soon as he decides someone is transphobic in his mind, he stops listening… ok.
The fact that he couldn't fight a dude who was on his show who was making conservative arguments makes this even funnier cuz he genuinely couldn't make any arguments but acts like he can
Also, the baked in idea that any opinion on trans issues that doesn't align with Hasan's is transphobic is crazy. There are more options than just A. supporting trans people and B. being transphobic, there are multiple ways to be supportive of trans people and multiple ways of being transphobic. I don't support trans people with cis people in sports because I don't think there's a way to have trans people compete against cis women where it doesn't lead to more transphobia, where it doesn't bolster the TERFs, and trans people competing against cis men are always going to be at a disadvantage, which is unfair to them. There are probably also transphobic arguments for having trans people competing against cis people in sports, there are probably some cis men who really want to beat trans people in their sport and who will use that to fuel further transphobia. The idea of discarding all people who disagree with him as just being transphobic is so stupid.
That is what the woke do. They strawman you for their own audiencr and gasslight you with term like -phobia. Both are forms of lieing. I dont believe Hassan believes what he says. He is a fake. A con. He is telling his fanbase what they want to hear a woke fairy tale of the virtuous people vs the evil and misguided ones.
Yeap, that is what the tought terminating cliche is all about. As soon as you label someone a nazi, racist, transphobe or whatever you win the argument. In your mind anyway and the minds of your sycophants.
I never saw the appeal. He very commonly insults, shames and bans people for criticizing him, and then goes on to say that he takes criticism well. The mountain of vile things he's said to his own viewers baffles me.
@@AleXelerate8 I haven't delved much into the realm of twitch streamers, but what little I have seen hasn't been interesting at all. Just a bunch of dude bros watching other people's content and saying "..... TRUE. ....." *eating noises*
“Don’t let people you hate tell you what your political beliefs should be by just believing the opposite thing they believe.” Not 4 minutes in and I’m feeling pretty called out.
Thank you for quoting this. I had a hard time finding the part where he said it. This is really profound for something that reads to easily. Have a good evening!
I feel pretty reassured actually. I was fucking struggling to stick to my guns on my political ideology, because my peers are actual lunatics. Those were encouraging words from Destiny, and Im further left from him.
Unfortunately this seems like how 80% of people on both sides form their political opinions. The landscape of political discourse is so fucking tribalistic that it's disgusting. You ask people to explain their beliefs and they start talking about the opposition instead of what their views are rooted in. It's insanity.
Given all the recent Destiny videos, people that actually believe women could compete with men in sports if it weren’t for social pressures have clearly never played sports or only played in elementary school.
It is baffling bc you just know these are the same people that complain about funding for youth programs etc. They will rant about how kids need access to after-school activities and how we need to foster a nurturing environment for kids to grow. But that whole premise gets abandoned so they can join a cause that will have no real positive impact for the people they claim to be defending. I honestly feel like an issue like this will alienate democratic voters because they are essentially forcing people to weigh in on this controversy. And on top of that, they are labeling people as transphobic bigots if they aren't on board with trans women playing women's sports. It's amazing how incredulous they sound when they talk about this topic too. There is no doubt in their mind that they are correct and they almost seem to be shocked how many people won't toe the party line.
Hasan: "I don't care about sports" also Hasan: "There are advantages of many different kinds, that's what makes sports great" What the fuck would a guy that doesn't care about sports know what makes sports great? Not to mention hes absolutely fucking wrong. In mens sports sure there aren't many limitations to a persons benefits (they were born with) but in womens sports there is ABSOLUTELY things done to ensure a woman doesn't have some advantage.
It is telling that a lot of people arguing about trans people in sports don’t give a shit about sports. It’s just the flavor of the month for them to argue about.
@@62shayne Aren't the majority of "trans advocates" arguing about the sports issue similarly people who never cared about sports before as well? So if they join the conversation because of the context, why shouldn't others? Why do people constantly keep repeating the entirely irrelevant crap about "not caring about sports otherwise" and thinking it means something. And every time someone on your side adds the "they just do it because..." it's claimed to be because of "hating trans people", as if people couldn't genuinely think standing up for female sex-based rights is the morally right thing to do when biological males want their feelings to override the sex-based segregation of female sports because they can't deal with being less competitive against other males as a direct consequence of their own personal choice to go on HRT. The female category of sports is protected on the basis of sex, material reality, not feelings of identity which are metaphysical claims.
Hasan is so obviously basing his positions off of what will bring him more success. He calls Aba and Preach transphobic without even watching their video but brags about texting Andrew Schulz (a guy who openly uses the T slur on his YT channel). I think Schulz is funny but you get my point. No pushback on Schulz whatsoever.
This is what's wrong with tought terminating cliches. You cannot disregard the argument by calling it a "TERF-talking point" Hasan. You have to show it's a bad argument.
That's his entire schtick now. He constantly disregards peoples entire arguments now like this "WOW YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT TUCKER SAID, CAN YOU IMAGINE USING THE SAME TALKING POINT AS FUCKING TUCKER" [then ignores the entire argument] He thinks that pointing out something that someone on the right might've said, as well, just means they lose and now he doesn't have to argue against it. It's literal 75 iq shit.
People will always change the realistic view or definition of something in reality to fit narratives. that's why him and many others don't want to or cant show anything.
And do you see how fast he reads? Like I’m sorry but no average person can read a 3 sentence long text that fast and 100% understand what was being said right after… seems like he’s taking a certain part of it that he disagrees with and insults the person who made the argument with that… seems familiar 🧐
Wow I love your analogy for the portal, recently with these gaffs I get the same feeling everytime Biden gives a speech in front of troops... its like a portal and we have no idea where we are going to be when it's over
What's even more interesting is that Hasan didn't break down a single thing during the whole video, he just dismissed everything by calling their views transphobic.
He always says that it’s so annoying. It’s like this quasi sarcastic remark he makes where he thinks it’s powerful because he believes he’s so obviously smart. Dude is a the exact opposite of what he thinks he is lol
That comment about not letting your perceived opposition define your beliefs and that you need to hold true to your own is exactly why I love Steven so much. +10 integrity and truth points to our mans Basediny.
Messi was deficient in a growth hormone to the point of it being a disorder or something along those lines. Also, even with the treatment Messi got, he's still pretty short. He's 5'5 roughly. Being tall can be an advantage/disadvantage in soccer depending on what position you're playing. You need to be tall if you're a defender. If you're a forward it doesn't matter as much depending on what type of roll you're trying to play. Hassan's willingness to speak confidently on topics he's completely ignorant on makes me so mad.
A majority of these people that pretend to care about equity in sports have never actually played a sport themselves, so they don’t ever realize what the implications of their positions are.
Hasan is annoying but isn’t really the problem, there are a lot of idiots in this world. The problem is the number of folks that prop him up and refuse any rebuttal to his talking points...
@@Wallychans I really don't think Hasan is as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he just has major character flaws like you would notice on a large percent of the population if they got the same attention he does. He seems to have decent morals and he's mostly consistent with his ideals that aren't based around a narrative. His problem is how stubborn he is, he will literally argue against things that are factually correct to avoid disrupting his narrative which is all based around his own virtuousness and inclusivity. He backs himself into a corner in almost every real conversation he has because he is willing to die on any hill for any brain dead take he has that will make him seem like the perfect ally to (insert any marginalized community ever). I'm a long time fan of both Hasan and destiny and I disagree with both of them on a wide array of things, but at least Destiny can be swayed and proven wrong, he will accept it with grace and move on more informed, Hasan on the other hand will bury his head in the sand and Larp as PC principal from south park whenever he's wrong. He should just stick to dunking on really stupid conservative conspiracy theorists and advocating for good social change bc this shit is not it at all he's literally been turning into leftist Crowder over the past year which makes me sad bc Hasan seemed so much more rational back when he and destiny were really good friends.
@@jazzyb3424 I believe allowing himself to be center of an echo chamber is a major character flaw. He clearly uses it to us advantage and milks it for $ So he is definitely pretty shady, but I think the bigger problem is the mob that deflects anybody who tries pointing out Hassan’s flaws. Taking Hasan out of the situation wouldn’t do anything, they’d just find another face to prop. Hasan is a problem, but not THE problem in this picture.
Just tell me how you justify saying "They're going to clip me out of context," right after you came out with a video saying "I'm not even going to watch it, this is what they're going to say." HOW do you justify that.
Long term Aba and Preach fan here, Found your channel a few days ago. While some of your thoughts run counter to mine, I honestly can't fault the way you debate. The way you hold yourself to a higher standard when it comes to actually trying to understand the other person's point and going and reading the materials just shows how harsh you are on yourself before others. Mad respect my dude and keep it up.
Cool - nice to have you around. I think his arguments and logic are good and he genuinely seems to have the empathy to see where others are coming from.
Why just restrict it to men competing with women? let's remove weight classes, age classes. Oh, who needs the paralympics. I wanna see Michael Phelps race an 8 year old transgender man without legs who also has cerebral palsy and dwarfism.
Aba is a great guy, I really appreciate him and Preach being down to earth dudes that speak their mind without hate or prejudice - they're just cool guys, not posers or team sports fanatics. They're fun, they're opinionated, but they know they're not the second coming of Christ with perfect knowledge of every issue unlike soooo many others out there, and their ability to recognise that without being pushovers is something I appreciate a lot.
I’m not on this side of UA-cam much but this Hasan fellow seems to be a little delusional. He argues on the behalf of communities without even having an understanding of what he is talking about
Hasan is somewhat delusional. If you boil his political stance down to the base level, it's right wing bad/evil. Since if the right wing is evil, then the opposite has to good/holy.
I know transwomen that used HRT to transition for 5+ years and frequently wrestled with us. One year of HRT did absolutely nothing to reduce her strength until year 4 or 5. First year only made her cry and that's basically it. After 4 years started losing when she was winning up to 4 years consistently. There is a massive difference between a male that went through puberty to 18-20 as a male and a young boy that transitioned before puberty then competed at 18+. Men have a massive advantage over women in nearly every sport: running, MMA, wrestling, football, soccer, basketball, tennis and several other sports that require endurance and stamina and especially strength or power.
that is crazy it took that long for it to affect her(its her in this story right not a he?) i thought that no amount of time on HRT would produce a result with lower performance in any sport when a man transitions to a woman. ive always agreed that we are advantaged as males in all sports. isn't the Olympics got a 2 year transition rule? if it is 2 years based on your info and anecdote, along with most science anyway we could, nay should have to try and change the rules to a 4-5 year transition window.
@@rumpled4skin271 it should be 4 to 5 years. But I'm willing to bet there are some things that won't change with transitioning if the male to female transperson has lived to 18 as a male before transitioning. Huge changes that drastically alter the body happens prebirth through prepubescents and through puberty. But I think it's a completely different story for males who transition at a very early age say prepubescent years up to adulthood. We just have not enough examples of child transitioners competing in national sports, it's also illegal in many areas. My friend Zoe is a male that transitioned in her later teens 18-23. Started at 17 but can't count it for many reasons. I have other friends that did it for 3-7 years. Most have very little change. The changes they report are not in physical strength in the first two years, it's mentally, wellbeing and emotionally. They cry a lot among many other things due to hormones they are not used to.
22:25 the highschool's segregation of sports by sex would still be valid when you consider the fact that for many schools the point of excelling in your sport is to obtain a scholarship at a prestigious college. If females are doing worse by comparison to their trans counterparts then its possible the scholarship would be awarded to the trans athlete over the female.
Yeah, it's already happened in a few schools. There was even a video abt it a while back; I cant remember the exact title, but I do remember that it was abt a girl losing her scholarship to trans girls for/in track.
Destiny, Aba and Preach are just some of the most self aware people on youtube. First time watching Destiny's videos, those were some insanely good takes. I think he's addressing things with a concern about the right things, and actually being mindful of the trans community, not just using them to seem trendy. These takes I think are what's helpful, not just raging on either side.
35:02 From Hasan’s chat: “I think you’ve been more than charitable to these guys… [let’s just move on].” Good lord has he poisoned his viewers. They think and engage with criticism just like him.
I watch hasan once in awhile, and I don't agree with the idea it wouldn't be a problem if trans women dominated some sports, but firstly it's not the case, and secondly, why is it not wrong for people like Michael Phelps to compete? Or a closer analogy, white people have a biological advantage (among other types of advantage like wealth) for swimming and dominate that field, while black people have an advantage for running and dominate that field, so clearly we're okay with biological (and not biological) advantages, just not from trans people. I'm neutral to trans women playing women's sports (passing trans women will play it either way), but the "advantage" argument is just not consistently held, and it's the only one that is logical from the "anti" position.
@@c00ki3IIIm0n5t3r It's not "women's sports", it's literally female sports, because it is a protected category based on biological sex, not some metaphysical claim of inner identity. There is less difference between Phelps and other males, than there is between any male and female. There are so many advantages males have over females physiologically that HRT cannot affect in any way, that it is entirely false, and supremely ignorant, to keep claiming differences can be erased, ESPECIALLY when the latest research clearly shows transitioned trans women still enjoy a significant advantage even after 3 whole years on HRT. Coupled with the differences which CANNOT be erased as previously mentioned. The question of people of the same sex being genetically more gifted than each other is not the same issue as biological males claiming they should be allowed to compete against females because they became less competitive against other males as a direct consequence of their personal choice to go on HRT. Some people are better than others at sports, yet females are outperformed by males in all areas of sport, thus the protected category was created to give them a more fair arena to compete in. Since males bodies cannot become female bodies, since the science says you cannot erase the benefits of male puberty, they WILL DE FACTO retain that advantage. Thus, it is unfair for them to compete against females.
Destiny is so right on this. People really underestimate the physical differences between males and females. In Germany we used to have the best female soccer player in the world Brigit Prinz. She got an offer from AC Perugia to play in the 1st 'mens' league. She declined because she said there would be no way she would play in their first team regularly. This whole 'males are better in some sports' - argument so stupid to me.
Serena Williams did an interview where she mentioned Andy Murray suggested they have a match against each other whilst they were doing their doubles tour, she refused because she knew he'd white wash her. Amazing how female athletes can recognise a difference but people who have never played a sports in their life believe there isn't
@@bencastor9207 So true! The Williams one is the more popular one for sure. I just thought I bring one more example into the debate so people can't say it's specific to tennis or some dumb shit
The "Oh they're the guys who called out fresh and fit?" comment is way more nefarious than you even go into. The statement was an acknowledgement that he doesn't actually know these guys or what they said and yet it's being made after a lengthy and venomous tirade about them and specifically about their character. It's even stronger proof of the the team sports mindset. He hasn't watched what they said, he doesn't know who they are or what they're about, he doesn't know how they feel about basically anything, and yet he's already written them off into being fully on "the other side" and is treating them as if they are indistinguishable from Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon.
While I do believe trans people can and should be able to transition, the worst people in the trans community are ones who will take the minimalistic thing that makes someone seem they are gay or trans like maybe they like cute stuff, or dress in a classic metrosexual way or a tomboy. I've heard so many stories about people who transitioned based on the reasons given by the people around them even when they never truely thought about transitioning in the first place and thought the way they are now is just how they are. While Trans people who are happy about wanting to be the opposite sex, these types of people are great but not so much so for those who are confused about whether they want to transition or not, and people are just so pro change they do it while still confused and some learn they are just gay or maybe even cis but the women just a tomboy. I hope that these people can find some middle ground with all people and just try to say " hey maybe you are are this or that and we will try to help you pick but ultimately the change or not to change is up to you and you alone. Until all pro for people can get like this, we will see people just get more confused about what they actually what and sadly that usually ends in death because even with support, they either begin to feel so many things including despair over the situation or they start to get nobody to truely have them feel like people are excepting them or maybe feel like their life was just a lie.
As someone in the lgbtq+ community and have a lot of left/progressive friends , I’ve seen a couple of people who would fall under that niche group of putting too much stock into the the external/performative aspects of gender identity and expression. I feel like that’s probably more common in the younger age ranges and people who don’t have a good deal of introspection going on. Personally speaking, I was a huge tomboy growing up who later grew into my womanhood/femininity and I think factoring in my queerness on top of it- if I was 4 years younger consuming all of conversations you’ve described I probably would have thought I was trans. One specific moment that I think of, is that for my senior directed play I played a transman character and that with struggling with my sexuality low key gave me a mini identity crisis. But overall, I think of people regardless of sex and gender as humans first and foremost and that should be the main focus.
This is exactly why I’m against kids transitioning. They’re minds are easily moldable. They can become convinced they’re trans when they’re not really trans and many of them end up regretting transition
@Josie These trans activist are out here literally making the suicide rate higher, I also believe this is part of the suicide problem in the trans community and the complete lack of giving two shits after the surgery. I heard so many stories about people who transitioned and was immediately shunned because they held regret because they were now in pain every day and the trans community basically said to STFU and the surgeons told them, then go to pain management. I think the trans Activists you see now are not caring about this because while most of them are happy with the change, they are not happy everything else didn't change with them and that if you are an prick before the change, the likelihood of being an prick after the change doesn't make them more plausible to be liked by everybody especially when you have trans people now telling straight men and lesbians they are bigots for not liking a chick with a dick.
I'm pretty sure Hasan and Ethan Klein are in a competition to see who can be the most moronic person on the Internet. I coached wrestling at both the middle and high school level at a time when there was no women's wrestling. Girls that wanted to wrestle had to wrestle with the guys. In middle school, there wasn't too much difference. When you get to high school, that changes quickly! The girls would need almost flawless technique to compete with the speed and strength of their average male competitor. Similar situations come up in sports like track and field, and swimming. In one of the clips Hasan was going after Aba & Preach with, he mentioned Mack Beggs and how he was "killing it". He didn't bother to look up that 1) Mack was competing in women's wrestling while transitioning (effectively, taking steroids), and 2) when he tried to compete at the collegiate level, he could not even break the lineup after going undefeated for 2 years in high school (something that would land most guys at a Big 10 school where they would be a starter within 2 years). The fact that Hasan knows virtually nothing about sports (by his own admission), and doesn't care, means he should simply shut the hell up and leave the conversation to people who actually know what they are talking about. But, since he is in that competition with Ethan, he will never do that.
Destiny nailed it, if you’re attracting transphobic people to your community because your points align with transphobic talking points then whether you meant it or not thats the audience your videos are talking to and it’s the creators responsibility to set the boundary, not let those people be welcome into the community and clear up misunderstandings
I agree, but at the same time I feel like in most debate panels nowadays is just full of interjections and huge egos that it would make it hard to be able to actually lay down his points as clearly as he does in his own videos. Plus the people who tend to strawman don’t listen regardless and would be draining on anyone trying to have an honest, open dialogue and Aba doesn’t need that energy in his life.
Hassan’s very existence is the best evidence for both the undeniable limitations of being certifiably stupid, IQ wise, and the unmistakable advantages of being conventionally attractive
On of my greater passions in life is learning about people who think differently than me. I’m a huge fan of polite discussions about controversial topics. It’s been tough for me as someone slightly right of center to find material from the left that is even mildly enjoyable because of the total lack of intellectual honesty and consistency. I disagree with Destiny on most things but I have to say I 100% believe that he 100% believes his own arguments. They are all really well thought out and it seems like he gives space to others to actually relay their message. People like him are extremely important to society. It’s impossible for us to make the world better if both sides can’t be honest and open. I tell all of my right of center friends that although we are on the same side of center that they actually hurt society by not thinking critically and just agreeing with party lines. If anyone has a suggestion for other left leaning people that are honest, please share.
ImReallyImportant does news coverage constantly from local elections to more obscure congress interactions and you can find him doing it live on Twitch all the time (not sure about his curated UA-cam content or if it exists at all.) Personally I pull up his vods (when he isn't live) every few days and scrub through those fresh broadcasts until I see something that piques my interest and watch what's going on with his fair coverage and breakdown on how it plays into everything else.
I actually know about one case where they divded in to men/women brackets, because a women (Zhang Shan) beat the men in a Olympic shooting competition. Imagine how butthurt you have to be xD
1:18:32 This should be taken more seriously, not just for trans issues but regarding advocacy in general. Good advocacy affects everyone positively Bad advocacy only affects the people you're "advocating" for...and negatively When a crazy racist or Terf goes after a specific minority, none of these people will be there to help...but they'll be outraged online🤮
I think one thing Aba and Preach could do more of is review transphobes and call out the other side more, sort of like Destiny does. That way, people can see the more even coverage and find it harder to call them transphobes. When someone calls them transphobic, one of their supporters can send that person an entire video of them disagreeing with someone who is actually transphobic.
I would say the Trans conversation isn't there yet because the activists call everything transphobia. Even the folks who don't believe in this gender stuff can have a point, as gender stuff is a belief system, not medically backed. Psychologically and socially only. This can just be a clash of belief systems. This topic needs to be talked out much more.
I have never understood Destinys point on bathrooms. Like you want people that aren't passing to use the other restroom right? So yeah as a conservative I think we should just have a consistent standard and Blaire White has to use the men's restroom. If Blaire White looked equally as a woman but was actually a biological woman but thought identified as a man you would be arguing she should use the man's restroom right? The next argument i see is "Trans people would be in danger if they were forced to use the men's restroom!" But seriously I have never seen a single story of a trans person being attacked by men in a men's restroom but I have heard LOTS of stories of trans people attacking women and girls in the women's restroom.
Newsflash dude, trans people already use the bathroom of the gender they identify with and most people don't bat an eye because most people don't spend their time checking who goes into each bathroom 😂😂😂
I stand with destiny. I'm a Libertarian, ecconomically I lean right, but on social issuues I lean left. saying that i always keep an open mind and try to make my opinions as informed as possible. everyone has the right to live the life they want, but some people are just not open to debate .
"Believe in" statements are religious appeals. I do not believe in individualism, I am an individual, I observe that collectivism exists and demands my fealty to a set of ideologies, not all even capable of cohabitating, and set myself against the cults that demand my participation. I do not BELIEVE in these things because I am not a fucking religious fanatic. Being reasonable is admitting you could be wrong and you cannot be reasonable making believe in statements about your politics. Politics is policy and if you are making believe in statements about policy its not about nuts and bolts, but about your idea of what God, here its The State, ought to do.
at this point i cant even hate on hasan, im just more concerned at how someone can be that wrong & misunderstanding and still have a striving community who genuinely eat up whatever spills out of his mouth
Same with Ethan at h3h3. I saw a Reddit thread of his fans and people were literally talking about his stupid takes, lying, doxxing the wrong person, saying even with all that I’m still a fan and would rather have him being terrible than no content at all. Their fans are self aware I think, they know how stupid they are and their idols do bad things but since they love the echo chamber they would never hold them accountable or even disagree when they are wrong.
Indeed. I was having this conversation only yesterday. The terms 'talking point' and 'dog whistle' have just become a more obscured/nuanced version of a strawman and often ad hominem combined! And yes Vaush and Hassan do it a LOT in my opinion!
I watched hasan’s reaction it was a whole lot of nothing, “I didn’t say that”, and “see I was right about these guys.” Biggest waste of my time hoping for him to say something constructive or thoughtful.
I wish destiny could get buck angel on to talk about this stuff. Trans male, been one for a really long time and has historical knowledge on the subject. And buck seems like a super fucking cool person.
I absolutely love authentic and honest people like you. We don't have to agree on everything and I don't think people, being able to just have a conversation and share ideas without attacking each other almost seems impossible these days.
Said it before and I'll say it again....Hasan's editors are the hardest working ppl online. Taking out all the uhs and umms has to be to be painfully tedious. Well at least they're paid in computers.
I had a "discussion" with ChatGPT in which I asked it if men and women's sports were based on sex or gender, it responded with "by sex", I then asked why people who had a biological sex of male could compete in women's sports... you can tell how much ChatGPT has been lobotomized as it just went around and around with ChatGPT effectively having double-think. It insisted they were divided based on sex but some biological men should be allowed to compete in women's sports because of their gender. I asked it if didn't it say it was divided on biological sex and not gender, to which it answered in the affirmative. It was kind of like arguing with Hasan.
I agree that youth sports are an important developmental aspect of a person's life but after grade 10, high school athletes are competing for scholarships. Which trans people have a right to compete for but not in the women's division. People like Hasan are going to cause society to revert back to the old days of jocks and nerds. Unathletic twerps who shoot a basketball all limp-wristy are trying to dictate terms for completely restructuring sports. The irony is, these dummies are actually causing me to rethink some of the opinions I have about topics that I have ZERO real-world knowledge of. Reading and research is great but it doesn't replace 1st hand experience.
This is also the point of contention I wanted to make. I can see why it would be in the best interest of developing trans teens to be able to engage properly in youth sports, but I don't think that cis-women have to burden the cost of having their scholarships stripped away from them by transwomen.
I remember playing mixed soccer and flag football in high school most of the girls could not keep up, we had to let them play. So if it's a bunch of not in the best shape yet middle of the road between jock and nerd boys kicking girl's ass with ease what in the hell do they think is gonna happen with jocks that been training for years just switching sides? The girls are in trouble, in the professional field they women are in trouble. I agree they should be able to enjoy sports, yet one side cannot lose anything because they showed up.
@@emperortgp2424 I haven't looked into it nor examined all aspects of affirmation action to a sufficient degree as to warrant forming an informed opinion/conclusion.
I think it's pretty easy to care about youth sports without being constantly openly enthusiastic about it. It's easy to recognize it as an important (arguably necessary) activity to help kids learn a lot of crucial life lessons and (help) keep them out of trouble at a young age. Teamwork, failure, hard work, socializing, leadership setting and reaching goals, are all lessons much easier taught and learned being part of sports as a kid. I don't have to openly be a youth sports fanatic to recognize that - and as an extension be bothered when something comes along looking to sabotage or destroy that space. Yet another reactionary thoughtless argument from Hasan to suggest anyone claiming to care about youth sports is lying. And the way he (and seemingly many others) is so ready to just throw it away because they can't see the benefit of the activity beyond scoring points is exactly why people like him don't deserve a platform. They don't think what they are saying or advocating for through.
i played youth sports and they were lit as fuck, i dont necessarily follow our teams for youth sports a lot but when im nearby a baseball park and i see one game going on ill check out an inning see how the kids of today are doing compared to what me and my friends did on the field, cos i care about sports in general thats why ill watch. he cant just shove the narrative of nobody likes sports, even youth sports or high school sports i played those too and im more than happy to watch a game and pay for the school spirit hasan is just a clown with any sport based take even without his argument being muddied by the trans premise
1:10:53 When I hear this I just think of that one old ICarly Episode about the guy who joins the childrens wrestling league or something because they had no standards for entry after Carly's friend beat him at something.
One thing I liked about this is how Preach mentioned that Aba (thought he was going too far) was tapping his leg when he started ripping into Hasan and he kept going after Hasan. Preach has the correct approach here. Love him or hate him Ben Shapiro does the same thing (decides whether or not to make someone look like an idiot in front of there audience). You need to be able to identify when someone is there for a genuine conversation/debate or when someone is only there to spin a narrative and commit to never changing their mind. Hasan is 100% that kind of person. The amount of times I have seen that man discard cognitive dissonance while still holding onto the I am the intellectual perspective of the left "card" blows my mind. Hasan is never going to change his mind. He will die on the hill of any argument he has ever made and will only conform to mainstream views to retain high viewership. The best approach towards Hasan is to make him look like an idiot in front of his fans. Destiny comes to nearly every debate believing everyone is approaching the debate in good faith. For the most part that is an admirable and good thing to do. However, sometimes you need to identify when you are debating these kind of people and immediately go to pointing out how dumb their arguments are. Because at the end of the day, if you debate someone like Hasan you are not actually debating them as a person. You are actually debating an entity that is not part of them.
"Don't let people you hate tell you what your political beliefs should be by just believing the opposite of what they believe." I made this precise mistake when I used to consider myself right wing just because I hate the "sjw" "woke" nonsense. Glad I snapped out of that close minded mentality of one side or the other.
I don’t think Preach is that good in politics videos tbh. It’s just not his thing their channel didn’t start out as politics and I think Aba is the more political one. Preach is more there for business reasons.
Whilst I agree that Preach isn’t the more political person within the duo I think without his input the dichotomy between the two just wouldn’t work so well. Preach’s thoughts are often more raw and intuitive whilst Aba’s are evidently more calculated and thought out. Preach is needed* for his understanding of how people twist arguments in bad faith and can visibly see the frustration that comes from doing that to someone. If anything, it gives them a vibe of authenticity, if* that makes sense, which is why I think people appreciate them so much. However, depending on the topic of discussion, sometimes it may be Preach to be the more rational one, its just the benefit of a great duo that play off each other.
@@hinterduende8329 Preach is also older than Aba so he seen and experienced a bit more so he has that perspective that's pretty damn pure and no nonsense. When Preach looks dumbfounded at shit, that's the REAL normie look at a lot of topics like "WTF IS THIS" We're legit in a niche looking this reaction of a reaction to a reaction.
My only issue with Aba and Preach is that they don't have enough content to satiate me for now. I need them to do a breakdown of everything in the universe. I'm tired of distractions. They have such grounded takes.
"Don't let people you hate dictate your position" Then goes onto completely misrepresent Brent Weinstein's political positions. Had you used Dave Rubin as an example that probably would have worked better as he has gone real far libertarian right, though again was that fully in response to TYT?
@@nonserviam4813 Here is, in essence, what Destiny said: "Based on what I've seen I got an impression about this guy. This impression could be off base but this is what it seemed like with the information I saw." To call this a misrepresentation is just so dumb.
High school sports is where people get scouted for college sports which then elevates you to be scouted for pro sports and Olympics. High school sports is fucking important for athletes.
Wow destiny. At 2 mins you talk about how your won’t change your views because of who’s cancelling you, then you literally describe bret Weinsteins position without even realising it and then accuse him of the opposite. Bret is still a liberal who believes in redistributing wealth, still thinks trumps insane etc. basically everything you tried to say to describe how you are different you were actually describing how you are the same. You just think he’s right wing because of his coronavirus positions which actually have nothing to do with being right or left. Many people on the left are against a lot of the issues around coronavirus
Tribalism is the method by which these "believe in" modern religions operate. Zero examples of policy proposal changes for Brett, but you FEEL, it SEEMS, as if he jumped ship. ie. Left the cult.
"How long trans people have to wait for hormones compared to cis people that get them for balding" Hormones for balding?? Pretty sure that isn't the same as hormones that a trans person would take, considering test leads to hair loss not hair gain tf kind of a statement was that
I completely disagree with your take on high school sports. There’s a ton of people who use sports as a gateway out of poverty, class issues and are the first to go to college due to sports only. To allow trans women to go into womens sports and take a spot away from a real woman that would use the scholarship, spotlight and way out of their current situation away from them.
Saying that trans women can't compete in women's sports is a shitty bullet to bite but I have way more respect for the side that's willing to bite that bullet instead of having to put all cis-women at a competitive disadvantage in their own leagues. I think that trans women should be able to compete in sports up to the college level. Athletic scholarships are such an important thing for so many people as they're the only way for many people to get a college education. With how much there is at stake at that level and beyond, it just seems unfair for trans women to have such a big advantage to win those scholarships. Again I feel shitty saying that but I just think that's the most fair. But I do feel conflicted on this issue.
Women's sports leagues were literally created to give people born female the equal ability to get scholarships like males. So yes it's unfair to let males play in these leagues. We are going to need SCOTUS to confirm that Title IX applies to female sports, not just "women" based on self ID/ gender presentation. In medicine we acknowledge a difference in binary "M/F" vs "self reported gender" - its on medical records. Sports should be the same
We witnessed grown men beating up on boys when the NBA Olympics, back in the day, only allowed the United States to send college athletes to play against grown men and never win. As soon we were allowed to send NBA athletes, we dominated. Hence the 1992 Dream Team with Michael Jordan. That was the first time we sent grown men to play against grown men and it was more entertaining and gave us a fair chance to win the gold.
2:04 ... haha as destiny talks about not letting your enemies define your politics, destiny defines bret weinstein's politics in a negative condescending way based on very little actual real information. bret weinstein believes in most or all of the left wing hot points that destiny mentions, definitely isnt a conservative, and weinstein didnt get "triggered" he literally got hunted by students with bats on his own campus... AND then the campus/town police were told by the president of the school to stand down. where have we heard the stand down tactic from? hmm antfi/blm summer of love 2020
I think that hasan's problems is that he forms all of his opinions based on people in chat(which filled with a bunch of trolls) and he is desperate for approval so he's bad at forming his own opinion. Once hasan feels like he's on the moral high ground he will not back down from a subject, and he'll really get into arguing the definition of something he hasn't researched and doesn't believed in, so it's kind of hard to know what he's thinking at all.
I think it’s because, and I’m not trying to be nasty here, Hasan is the left’s Dave Rubin. Neither of them have had a single original thought in their entire lives. Neither of them can explain their positions from a set of ‘first principles’. They have both built and refined a dedicated audience over time by mindlessly repeating the talking points their fans love to hear.
I’ve never actually watched Destiny and have only seen him in the background but after watching this, it was great. These are reasonable people in different parts of the political spectrum that can work together because they can have rational conversation. It’s a beautiful thing to respect someone you don’t necessarily agree with. ❤
33:50 this dude really out there asking "where is the nonsense and misinformation" to a video lmao. Looks like when there are people that keep asking "but why?", "who is him/her?", "what's he/she doing?" while watching a movie lol.
Hasan has a very serious yeyo problem, also I think the last place someone with gender dysphoria should be is around people trying to pressure them into transitioning. like is it really their choice if the choice is being pressured by these people? of course, and so they would never take responsibility for the pressure and that is especially the case when the person wants to detransition
I agree with destiny's take on high-school sports including trans-girls under the caveat that they are excluded from scholarship considerations. I don't like the idea of someone being left out, I just don't want young women missing out on opportunities due to an unfair conditions.
Hey Aba slow down. I mostly agree with you with this topic. But don't farm these crazies. We don't want you to get banned from YT because of it. I'm not prepared to lose my daily routine with ya xD
@@Va11idus Well, I'm from a 3rd world country so we're hella traditional still here. Gay marriage isn't even legal here yet and we don't have even divorce. So you might say I'm more transphobe than Aba. My mind is changing everyday at least.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 To clarify we shave something similar but it isn't called divorce, it's called annulment but it's quite a different process and because people can't even afford lawyers they just go their separate ways most times.
I don’t care what you’re talking about or what hate facts that you spew. If you disagree or think two black men are wrong, that’s an automatic example of racism. White guys saying that these black men are wrong,……..racism. Period.
I appreciate the bit about the bit about not changing your opinions to spite the opposition. I’ve read some “why I stopped supporting trans people” from gender crit people and it is usually, “I had a bad experience with a trans person”
Im so glad Destiny reafirmed his support for actual trans people advocacy. I was getting worried there for awhile because of all the conservatives chestbeating.
Come on, Hassan might be a lost cause but we don't all have to be, it's doesn't have to be tribal sports, the only people framing it that way want you in their team.
@@onionfarmer3044 there's been a lot of people in the UA-cam comments and other destiny chats recently that have been saying destiny has become one of them
You are just afraid of the conversation because you know it is revealing some truths the activism is ignoring. Take a risk and don't hold onto beliefs so tightly. Be curious.
@@carolinaandy5059 "there's been a lot of people in the UA-cam comments and other destiny chats recently that have been saying destiny has become one of them" Nah so far there sure are conservatives in the comment section, but most of the time they are commenting their agreement with destiny on this issue or any other social issue, which is surprisingly funny to me as conservatives were always labeled as bigots, hatred driven people, yet its not the conservatives that got him banned. You dont need to worry about your partisanship, destiny was conservative that turned lefty and became what a true debater on politics should be - open minded.
Imagine if Hassan's video were part of a drinking game and everyone watching had to take a shot everytime he said transphobic or transphobia. His entire audience would be dead from alcohol poisoning less than half way through the video. But in all seriousness, he could at least try to make counter points with actual facts and data. Just using labels while painting every opposing view with the same broad brush is not a counter argument.
Hasan : I'm not going to try and put them in a corner, I know the debate lord tactics and I'm not going to use it. This is the biggest X I've ever pressed in my life. I'd bet everything I own that aba and preach would desecrate him by just talking normally.
I can't with this forever 21 fratboy man, Destiny how do you endure it? Forget his takes, just the way he speaks triggers my college PTSD with all of the himbos being on their high horses and stuff but then getting wasted as f, driving at who knows how many miles per hour and runing someone over. Like man, are you americans ok? How is this dude so popular? I really don't get it...
He's pretty and he's tall so women likes him so in their head if they listen to him follow him women will like them too. This is a joke I actually have no idea how he is popular. When I first heard of Hasan he was a debate bro but judging from the comments I don't think he debates anymore
Destiny watches Aba and Preach video, followed by Aba coming on to discuss the drama and transpobia allegations made by Hasan
OG VIDEO: @HasanAbi Called us Transphobes... Hear Why ►ua-cam.com/video/iKtR45qqDaU/v-deo.html
Hasan Calls Aba And Preach Transphobic For Defending Destiny ua-cam.com/video/PLXJ-XPuFkU/v-deo.html
Offering The Red Pill To Aba & Preach ►ua-cam.com/video/lEh4pI3Nyjw/v-deo.html
I really just don’t understand, everything you disagree with, is a left wing position!
@@jayrice8882 except for almost all conservative positions?
Did you start redistributing your wealth yet?
hasan should start calling people "crypto transphobes" . He was too stupid to figure out how to say it, but that was what he was trying to say about aba and preach.
I think one thing Aba and Preach could do more of is review transphobes and call out the other side more, sort of like Destiny does. That way, people can see the more even coverage and find it harder to call them transphobes. When someone calls them transphobic, one of their supporters can send that person an entire video of them disagreeing with someone who is transphobic.
I’m glad I watch Hasan. As a college student, I have to write a good amount of papers and when I write these papers I think “do I sound like Hasan?” It’s my own little trick for looking for half baked ideas within my writing. My professors have even told me my writing has improved.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie
Hasan was right about his prediction tho?
@@RejectDontEdit Care to elaborate? I'm not an avid watcher of Hasan
So that’s what you do while hiding the bushes, you write papers.
@@MelonWaterMelon777 saying that their argument would boil down to its not natural and they said exactly that but in a more weasely way "transitioning is unnatural" but apparently that's just "nuance" according to you and destiny.
I don't watch hasan like that either, the clip of hasan was just in this video?
Hasan is basically the textbook definition of the "I support current thingy" meme
If he didn't, he'd lose money. It is absolutely his job to support what a certain percentage of the left believes in. Currently thats trans rights. If it happens that something in the future become leftist majority position he'll take that too. If he doesn't, he loses money
He doesn't even need to argue his point at this stage, he can just state it and people feel comfortable that Hasan the prophet also agrees with them
💯
He's paid to be the person he is.
Clout chaser
it's more that he uses Maskeraded well meaning as an excuse to be condescending and rude to people.
I don't think that he actually cares about the issues he claims are so important to him.
He just likes to put people down, without someone to hate, people like Hasan would starve.
That painful back and forth in Hasan's head was hilarious.
Hasan: They are transphobes so I hate them. But I do not know about who they are. You say they criticize people I hate? I should love them. But you say they have criticized me? Then I think I should hate them..." Pure gold.
you're nazi if you react to me >jayexci
bigot if you talk with me >abapreach
yikes hasan
It's so fascinating to see his thinking process in real time. Also terrifying
Timestamp to re-listen to it?
@@cerealfamine1 5:09
Narcissists think in black and white. People like Hasan make a lot more sense after realizing that.
Aba and preach unironically have the best takes. They Like Real, Actual people who just happened to blow up on YT & Somehow managed to stay real, actual people despite bieng YT famous. Unlike most "influencers," the longer they are on yt the better they get. Most "influencers" turn Into weirdos in L.A. who completely forget what it's like to be normal, incognito, working dudes! They win every debate, controversy they get in by staying honest & humble .
It is SOOOO hilarious to me that if are you just a regular person, who is honest and is decent at talking. You are a diamond in the rough of streaming/youtube. Like that is so rare that you stick out LOL.
@@ChrisSmith-ew9fp I guess that is just perspective. It's very easy to be true from my experience. Weird climate nowadays
They're just genuine, chill, authentic, lads. Or, as I like to say, _gcals._
I don't agree with them on everything but I never wanna miss their take.
Define weirdo. What about L.A. would turn you into a weirdo?
Vaush: he’s a liberal
Person: what’s a liberal?
Vaush: someone who follows liberalism
Person: what’s liberalism?
Vowsh: actually, he’s a facist
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And I can usually substantiate it 😂😂 what an absolute clown
People who can't define the stuff they believe in are idiots. They just follow shit with no thought.
Hilarious
"Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds" narrative when presented honestly.
“I don’t need to know their talking points because I’ve already heard every talking point already from every transphobic-“
By his admission, as soon as he decides someone is transphobic in his mind, he stops listening… ok.
The fact that he couldn't fight a dude who was on his show who was making conservative arguments makes this even funnier cuz he genuinely couldn't make any arguments but acts like he can
Also, the baked in idea that any opinion on trans issues that doesn't align with Hasan's is transphobic is crazy. There are more options than just A. supporting trans people and B. being transphobic, there are multiple ways to be supportive of trans people and multiple ways of being transphobic. I don't support trans people with cis people in sports because I don't think there's a way to have trans people compete against cis women where it doesn't lead to more transphobia, where it doesn't bolster the TERFs, and trans people competing against cis men are always going to be at a disadvantage, which is unfair to them. There are probably also transphobic arguments for having trans people competing against cis people in sports, there are probably some cis men who really want to beat trans people in their sport and who will use that to fuel further transphobia. The idea of discarding all people who disagree with him as just being transphobic is so stupid.
That is what the woke do. They strawman you for their own audiencr and gasslight you with term like -phobia. Both are forms of lieing.
I dont believe Hassan believes what he says. He is a fake. A con. He is telling his fanbase what they want to hear a woke fairy tale of the virtuous people vs the evil and misguided ones.
Yeap, that is what the tought terminating cliche is all about. As soon as you label someone a nazi, racist, transphobe or whatever you win the argument. In your mind anyway and the minds of your sycophants.
basically
Bro. I got homework due. I opened YT for study music and saw this uploaded "1 second ago" Why you tempting me to procrastinate Destiny, lmao.
same
Same bro
Saved me from an overnight shift with nothing else to watch lol
Just do your hw and watch it later
Just watch it while doing homework
People tormenting Hasan and making his singular braincell short circuit is my new favorite form of entertainment
Yeah, his brain is like a shitty AI trying to path find but getting stuck at every wall and doorway, an apocalyptic idiot in every way.
same
dude "clip it and say hes racist hes gonna lose his fucking mind" had me fucking dead
Just make a new twitch every time and just make him upset XD
Why hate hasan. I think we should hate u.
Being banned from Hasan's twitch has unironnicaly been the best thing for my mental health
I never saw the appeal. He very commonly insults, shames and bans people for criticizing him, and then goes on to say that he takes criticism well.
The mountain of vile things he's said to his own viewers baffles me.
I got banned for saying "leeching content again?" As he was watching Some More News' MLK video barely an hour after they put it out.
@@aTalkingKoala8294 even with "lower" twitch streamers its bad, especially in the speedrunners group, some of which are blind to their own toxic ego.
@@bavelar8775 Masterchef react meta = socialism
@@AleXelerate8 I haven't delved much into the realm of twitch streamers, but what little I have seen hasn't been interesting at all. Just a bunch of dude bros watching other people's content and saying "..... TRUE. ....." *eating noises*
“Don’t let people you hate tell you what your political beliefs should be by just believing the opposite thing they believe.” Not 4 minutes in and I’m feeling pretty called out.
Ironic.
Dont worry youre not alone in that regard.
Thank you for quoting this. I had a hard time finding the part where he said it. This is really profound for something that reads to easily. Have a good evening!
I feel pretty reassured actually. I was fucking struggling to stick to my guns on my political ideology, because my peers are actual lunatics. Those were encouraging words from Destiny, and Im further left from him.
Unfortunately this seems like how 80% of people on both sides form their political opinions. The landscape of political discourse is so fucking tribalistic that it's disgusting. You ask people to explain their beliefs and they start talking about the opposition instead of what their views are rooted in. It's insanity.
Given all the recent Destiny videos, people that actually believe women could compete with men in sports if it weren’t for social pressures have clearly never played sports or only played in elementary school.
@Almighty Kevin even if they did care just as much as men, they’d still be nowhere close to competitive lol
It is baffling bc you just know these are the same people that complain about funding for youth programs etc. They will rant about how kids need access to after-school activities and how we need to foster a nurturing environment for kids to grow.
But that whole premise gets abandoned so they can join a cause that will have no real positive impact for the people they claim to be defending.
I honestly feel like an issue like this will alienate democratic voters because they are essentially forcing people to weigh in on this controversy. And on top of that, they are labeling people as transphobic bigots if they aren't on board with trans women playing women's sports.
It's amazing how incredulous they sound when they talk about this topic too. There is no doubt in their mind that they are correct and they almost seem to be shocked how many people won't toe the party line.
Don't forget the good old, "you ain't better than Serena at tennis, and you are a man" checkmate racist, nazi, pug owner.
u can de-radicalize them but u cant take the nerd out of em
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Yeah, so many people having these super strong opinions on sports when they clearly know nothing about sports.
Hasan: "I don't care about sports"
also Hasan: "There are advantages of many different kinds, that's what makes sports great"
What the fuck would a guy that doesn't care about sports know what makes sports great? Not to mention hes absolutely fucking wrong. In mens sports sure there aren't many limitations to a persons benefits (they were born with) but in womens sports there is ABSOLUTELY things done to ensure a woman doesn't have some advantage.
Him saying that he doesn’t care about sports and therefore eveybody who does care should just stop acting up made me feel physical pain
It is telling that a lot of people arguing about trans people in sports don’t give a shit about sports.
It’s just the flavor of the month for them to argue about.
@@62shayne Aren't the majority of "trans advocates" arguing about the sports issue similarly people who never cared about sports before as well? So if they join the conversation because of the context, why shouldn't others? Why do people constantly keep repeating the entirely irrelevant crap about "not caring about sports otherwise" and thinking it means something. And every time someone on your side adds the "they just do it because..." it's claimed to be because of "hating trans people", as if people couldn't genuinely think standing up for female sex-based rights is the morally right thing to do when biological males want their feelings to override the sex-based segregation of female sports because they can't deal with being less competitive against other males as a direct consequence of their own personal choice to go on HRT. The female category of sports is protected on the basis of sex, material reality, not feelings of identity which are metaphysical claims.
Would you mind clarifying what a few things are that ensure woman don't have an unfair advantage?
Just asking because I'm too lazy to google xD
@@ambientjohnny the thing is actual Trans admitted that it's a horrible idea and athletes of both genders also don't like this.
Hasan is so obviously basing his positions off of what will bring him more success. He calls Aba and Preach transphobic without even watching their video but brags about texting Andrew Schulz (a guy who openly uses the T slur on his YT channel). I think Schulz is funny but you get my point. No pushback on Schulz whatsoever.
Schulz would make him cry on his show if he wanted to do such.
I am not a fan of Schultz, never understood the hype.
T slur? What's that?
@@TugaThings Fanny but replace "F" with "Tr"
@@samira_360 that's a slur? ain't it just a shortened word?
This is what's wrong with tought terminating cliches. You cannot disregard the argument by calling it a "TERF-talking point" Hasan. You have to show it's a bad argument.
This has been around forever. Any arguments against Bernie policies were "right wing talking points" and disregarded.
Just stop being transphobic
That's his entire schtick now. He constantly disregards peoples entire arguments now like this "WOW YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT TUCKER SAID, CAN YOU IMAGINE USING THE SAME TALKING POINT AS FUCKING TUCKER"
[then ignores the entire argument]
He thinks that pointing out something that someone on the right might've said, as well, just means they lose and now he doesn't have to argue against it. It's literal 75 iq shit.
Hasan is pandering to an audience. This is nothing new for years now
People will always change the realistic view or definition of something in reality to fit narratives. that's why him and many others don't want to or cant show anything.
This Hassan guy is a perfect example of a man who speaks more than he thinks.
And do you see how fast he reads? Like I’m sorry but no average person can read a 3 sentence long text that fast and 100% understand what was being said right after… seems like he’s taking a certain part of it that he disagrees with and insults the person who made the argument with that… seems familiar 🧐
It's interesting watching Hasan break things down it's like going through a portal and not knowing where you're going to find yourself in the end.
He be like bdkalfnfkjavrodoshdifod normative position djosenfjsoahejekfnwow
It's also funny how he's gone full NPC with his takedowns. "and then they turn around"
Wow I love your analogy for the portal, recently with these gaffs I get the same feeling everytime Biden gives a speech in front of troops... its like a portal and we have no idea where we are going to be when it's over
@KivaNChips "I'm feeling morally lucky"
What's even more interesting is that Hasan didn't break down a single thing during the whole video, he just dismissed everything by calling their views transphobic.
33:47 *Hasan:* _"I'm a little confused on this you know. I am very confused. I'm just not very smart."_
He's finally right about something.
He always says that it’s so annoying. It’s like this quasi sarcastic remark he makes where he thinks it’s powerful because he believes he’s so obviously smart. Dude is a the exact opposite of what he thinks he is lol
"i don't even need to see it to know what the argument is", like come on dude
fortunately, when destiny viewers and psycho redditors declare something is 'right' it doesn't actually mean shit.
Hasan lives in Destiny’s head rent free. (Turkish laugh)
@@TonyMezaXD Hasan lives in a mansion as a communist because that’s how smart his followers are lol
That comment about not letting your perceived opposition define your beliefs and that you need to hold true to your own is exactly why I love Steven so much. +10 integrity and truth points to our mans Basediny.
Messi was deficient in a growth hormone to the point of it being a disorder or something along those lines. Also, even with the treatment Messi got, he's still pretty short. He's 5'5 roughly. Being tall can be an advantage/disadvantage in soccer depending on what position you're playing. You need to be tall if you're a defender. If you're a forward it doesn't matter as much depending on what type of roll you're trying to play. Hassan's willingness to speak confidently on topics he's completely ignorant on makes me so mad.
A majority of these people that pretend to care about equity in sports have never actually played a sport themselves, so they don’t ever realize what the implications of their positions are.
Hasan is annoying but isn’t really the problem, there are a lot of idiots in this world. The problem is the number of folks that prop him up and refuse any rebuttal to his talking points...
@@Wallychans I really don't think Hasan is as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he just has major character flaws like you would notice on a large percent of the population if they got the same attention he does. He seems to have decent morals and he's mostly consistent with his ideals that aren't based around a narrative. His problem is how stubborn he is, he will literally argue against things that are factually correct to avoid disrupting his narrative which is all based around his own virtuousness and inclusivity. He backs himself into a corner in almost every real conversation he has because he is willing to die on any hill for any brain dead take he has that will make him seem like the perfect ally to (insert any marginalized community ever). I'm a long time fan of both Hasan and destiny and I disagree with both of them on a wide array of things, but at least Destiny can be swayed and proven wrong, he will accept it with grace and move on more informed, Hasan on the other hand will bury his head in the sand and Larp as PC principal from south park whenever he's wrong. He should just stick to dunking on really stupid conservative conspiracy theorists and advocating for good social change bc this shit is not it at all he's literally been turning into leftist Crowder over the past year which makes me sad bc Hasan seemed so much more rational back when he and destiny were really good friends.
@@jazzyb3424 I believe allowing himself to be center of an echo chamber is a major character flaw. He clearly uses it to us advantage and milks it for $
So he is definitely pretty shady, but I think the bigger problem is the mob that deflects anybody who tries pointing out Hassan’s flaws.
Taking Hasan out of the situation wouldn’t do anything, they’d just find another face to prop.
Hasan is a problem, but not THE problem in this picture.
@@jazzyb3424 Hasan lost a debate with Michael Knowles who is a Rino.
Just tell me how you justify saying "They're going to clip me out of context," right after you came out with a video saying "I'm not even going to watch it, this is what they're going to say." HOW do you justify that.
Long term Aba and Preach fan here, Found your channel a few days ago. While some of your thoughts run counter to mine, I honestly can't fault the way you debate.
The way you hold yourself to a higher standard when it comes to actually trying to understand the other person's point and going and reading the materials just shows how harsh you are on yourself before others.
Mad respect my dude and keep it up.
I agree with this, although, I have counter beliefs to destiny, he seems to have integrity which I do respect
Cool - nice to have you around. I think his arguments and logic are good and he genuinely seems to have the empathy to see where others are coming from.
@@puffdaddy69 You literally ust repeated what they said in less words. Was there a point to be found somewhere in that word soup?
Why just restrict it to men competing with women?
let's remove weight classes, age classes.
Oh, who needs the paralympics.
I wanna see Michael Phelps race an 8 year old transgender man without legs who also has cerebral palsy and dwarfism.
if i was a billionaire id fund that
Destiny and Aba combined is always my favourite. They ask high quality questions of one another and it always leads to fantastic discussion.
Aba is a great guy, I really appreciate him and Preach being down to earth dudes that speak their mind without hate or prejudice - they're just cool guys, not posers or team sports fanatics. They're fun, they're opinionated, but they know they're not the second coming of Christ with perfect knowledge of every issue unlike soooo many others out there, and their ability to recognise that without being pushovers is something I appreciate a lot.
They're cool but you can tell Destiny isn't super engaged in these convos lol. He sounds bored 90% of the time
@@KrymsonSkyz that’s just how he sounds + he’s talking to a friend they both fw each other
@@KrymsonSkyz he’s speaking like he’s engaged but he’s just relaying and doesn’t have that kind of personality trait to be as bubbly
They are not high quality question a bi polar guy and one who can barely speak.
I’m not on this side of UA-cam much but this Hasan fellow seems to be a little delusional. He argues on the behalf of communities without even having an understanding of what he is talking about
Oh you sweet summer child… Wait until you scratched the surface of Hasan’s delusion.
Hasan is Dunning Kruger effect personified.
@@malcolm4737 lmao, his pfp is actually the metric at the top left of the dunning Kruger chart 🤣
Hasan is somewhat delusional. If you boil his political stance down to the base level, it's right wing bad/evil. Since if the right wing is evil, then the opposite has to good/holy.
Well hasan isnt from youtube lmao
I know transwomen that used HRT to transition for 5+ years and frequently wrestled with us. One year of HRT did absolutely nothing to reduce her strength until year 4 or 5. First year only made her cry and that's basically it. After 4 years started losing when she was winning up to 4 years consistently.
There is a massive difference between a male that went through puberty to 18-20 as a male and a young boy that transitioned before puberty then competed at 18+.
Men have a massive advantage over women in nearly every sport: running, MMA, wrestling, football, soccer, basketball, tennis and several other sports that require endurance and stamina and especially strength or power.
that is crazy it took that long for it to affect her(its her in this story right not a he?) i thought that no amount of time on HRT would produce a result with lower performance in any sport when a man transitions to a woman. ive always agreed that we are advantaged as males in all sports. isn't the Olympics got a 2 year transition rule? if it is 2 years based on your info and anecdote, along with most science anyway we could, nay should have to try and change the rules to a 4-5 year transition window.
@@rumpled4skin271 it should be 4 to 5 years. But I'm willing to bet there are some things that won't change with transitioning if the male to female transperson has lived to 18 as a male before transitioning. Huge changes that drastically alter the body happens prebirth through prepubescents and through puberty.
But I think it's a completely different story for males who transition at a very early age say prepubescent years up to adulthood. We just have not enough examples of child transitioners competing in national sports, it's also illegal in many areas.
My friend Zoe is a male that transitioned in her later teens 18-23. Started at 17 but can't count it for many reasons.
I have other friends that did it for 3-7 years. Most have very little change.
The changes they report are not in physical strength in the first two years, it's mentally, wellbeing and emotionally. They cry a lot among many other things due to hormones they are not used to.
22:25 the highschool's segregation of sports by sex would still be valid when you consider the fact that for many schools the point of excelling in your sport is to obtain a scholarship at a prestigious college. If females are doing worse by comparison to their trans counterparts then its possible the scholarship would be awarded to the trans athlete over the female.
Exactly 👏🏿👏🏿
Yeah, it's already happened in a few schools. There was even a video abt it a while back; I cant remember the exact title, but I do remember that it was abt a girl losing her scholarship to trans girls for/in track.
If the trans player can't play in the women's league in College why would the College give them a scholarship?
Destiny, Aba and Preach are just some of the most self aware people on youtube. First time watching Destiny's videos, those were some insanely good takes. I think he's addressing things with a concern about the right things, and actually being mindful of the trans community, not just using them to seem trendy. These takes I think are what's helpful, not just raging on either side.
35:02 From Hasan’s chat: “I think you’ve been more than charitable to these guys… [let’s just move on].”
Good lord has he poisoned his viewers. They think and engage with criticism just like him.
That's what echo chambers are all about.
Can you imagine what having a irl discussion with a Hasan viewer would be like?
@@yourarchnemesis8453 should watch most recent crowder change my mind
I watch hasan once in awhile, and I don't agree with the idea it wouldn't be a problem if trans women dominated some sports, but firstly it's not the case, and secondly, why is it not wrong for people like Michael Phelps to compete?
Or a closer analogy, white people have a biological advantage (among other types of advantage like wealth) for swimming and dominate that field, while black people have an advantage for running and dominate that field, so clearly we're okay with biological (and not biological) advantages, just not from trans people.
I'm neutral to trans women playing women's sports (passing trans women will play it either way), but the "advantage" argument is just not consistently held, and it's the only one that is logical from the "anti" position.
@@c00ki3IIIm0n5t3r It's not "women's sports", it's literally female sports, because it is a protected category based on biological sex, not some metaphysical claim of inner identity.
There is less difference between Phelps and other males, than there is between any male and female. There are so many advantages males have over females physiologically that HRT cannot affect in any way, that it is entirely false, and supremely ignorant, to keep claiming differences can be erased, ESPECIALLY when the latest research clearly shows transitioned trans women still enjoy a significant advantage even after 3 whole years on HRT. Coupled with the differences which CANNOT be erased as previously mentioned.
The question of people of the same sex being genetically more gifted than each other is not the same issue as biological males claiming they should be allowed to compete against females because they became less competitive against other males as a direct consequence of their personal choice to go on HRT.
Some people are better than others at sports, yet females are outperformed by males in all areas of sport, thus the protected category was created to give them a more fair arena to compete in. Since males bodies cannot become female bodies, since the science says you cannot erase the benefits of male puberty, they WILL DE FACTO retain that advantage. Thus, it is unfair for them to compete against females.
Destiny is so right on this. People really underestimate the physical differences between males and females.
In Germany we used to have the best female soccer player in the world Brigit Prinz. She got an offer from AC Perugia to play in the 1st 'mens' league. She declined because she said there would be no way she would play in their first team regularly.
This whole 'males are better in some sports' - argument so stupid to me.
Serena Williams did an interview where she mentioned Andy Murray suggested they have a match against each other whilst they were doing their doubles tour, she refused because she knew he'd white wash her. Amazing how female athletes can recognise a difference but people who have never played a sports in their life believe there isn't
@@bencastor9207 So true! The Williams one is the more popular one for sure. I just thought I bring one more example into the debate so people can't say it's specific to tennis or some dumb shit
The "Oh they're the guys who called out fresh and fit?" comment is way more nefarious than you even go into. The statement was an acknowledgement that he doesn't actually know these guys or what they said and yet it's being made after a lengthy and venomous tirade about them and specifically about their character. It's even stronger proof of the the team sports mindset. He hasn't watched what they said, he doesn't know who they are or what they're about, he doesn't know how they feel about basically anything, and yet he's already written them off into being fully on "the other side" and is treating them as if they are indistinguishable from Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon.
While I do believe trans people can and should be able to transition, the worst people in the trans community are ones who will take the minimalistic thing that makes someone seem they are gay or trans like maybe they like cute stuff, or dress in a classic metrosexual way or a tomboy. I've heard so many stories about people who transitioned based on the reasons given by the people around them even when they never truely thought about transitioning in the first place and thought the way they are now is just how they are. While Trans people who are happy about wanting to be the opposite sex, these types of people are great but not so much so for those who are confused about whether they want to transition or not, and people are just so pro change they do it while still confused and some learn they are just gay or maybe even cis but the women just a tomboy. I hope that these people can find some middle ground with all people and just try to say " hey maybe you are are this or that and we will try to help you pick but ultimately the change or not to change is up to you and you alone. Until all pro for people can get like this, we will see people just get more confused about what they actually what and sadly that usually ends in death because even with support, they either begin to feel so many things including despair over the situation or they start to get nobody to truely have them feel like people are excepting them or maybe feel like their life was just a lie.
As someone in the lgbtq+ community and have a lot of left/progressive friends , I’ve seen a couple of people who would fall under that niche group of putting too much stock into the the external/performative aspects of gender identity and expression. I feel like that’s probably more common in the younger age ranges and people who don’t have a good deal of introspection going on. Personally speaking, I was a huge tomboy growing up who later grew into my womanhood/femininity and I think factoring in my queerness on top of it- if I was 4 years younger consuming all of conversations you’ve described I probably would have thought I was trans. One specific moment that I think of, is that for my senior directed play I played a transman character and that with struggling with my sexuality low key gave me a mini identity crisis. But overall, I think of people regardless of sex and gender as humans first and foremost and that should be the main focus.
This is exactly why I’m against kids transitioning. They’re minds are easily moldable. They can become convinced they’re trans when they’re not really trans and many of them end up regretting transition
@Josie These trans activist are out here literally making the suicide rate higher, I also believe this is part of the suicide problem in the trans community and the complete lack of giving two shits after the surgery. I heard so many stories about people who transitioned and was immediately shunned because they held regret because they were now in pain every day and the trans community basically said to STFU and the surgeons told them, then go to pain management.
I think the trans Activists you see now are not caring about this because while most of them are happy with the change, they are not happy everything else didn't change with them and that if you are an prick before the change, the likelihood of being an prick after the change doesn't make them more plausible to be liked by everybody especially when you have trans people now telling straight men and lesbians they are bigots for not liking a chick with a dick.
I'm pretty sure Hasan and Ethan Klein are in a competition to see who can be the most moronic person on the Internet.
I coached wrestling at both the middle and high school level at a time when there was no women's wrestling. Girls that wanted to wrestle had to wrestle with the guys. In middle school, there wasn't too much difference. When you get to high school, that changes quickly! The girls would need almost flawless technique to compete with the speed and strength of their average male competitor. Similar situations come up in sports like track and field, and swimming.
In one of the clips Hasan was going after Aba & Preach with, he mentioned Mack Beggs and how he was "killing it". He didn't bother to look up that 1) Mack was competing in women's wrestling while transitioning (effectively, taking steroids), and 2) when he tried to compete at the collegiate level, he could not even break the lineup after going undefeated for 2 years in high school (something that would land most guys at a Big 10 school where they would be a starter within 2 years).
The fact that Hasan knows virtually nothing about sports (by his own admission), and doesn't care, means he should simply shut the hell up and leave the conversation to people who actually know what they are talking about. But, since he is in that competition with Ethan, he will never do that.
Destiny nailed it, if you’re attracting transphobic people to your community because your points align with transphobic talking points then whether you meant it or not thats the audience your videos are talking to and it’s the creators responsibility to set the boundary, not let those people be welcome into the community and clear up misunderstandings
But but they DID do all that lolzz
I wanna see Aba on a debate panel. He’d have some interesting takes and would lay them out pretty well so it’d be hard to strawman them
I agree, but at the same time I feel like in most debate panels nowadays is just full of interjections and huge egos that it would make it hard to be able to actually lay down his points as clearly as he does in his own videos. Plus the people who tend to strawman don’t listen regardless and would be draining on anyone trying to have an honest, open dialogue and Aba doesn’t need that energy in his life.
Hasan's existence to me is so frustrating it makes me want to use the Rumbling to wipe all of humanity off the map
Lmaoo
@GymBum Better to just do away with all of humanity and hope some innocent doggo didn't accidentally sniff up one Hasan's dogshit takes.
@@kristianjensen5877 No
@@donaldthompson6490 It's the only way to make sure it doesn't spread.
Why do we always have to deal with people who are the most detached from reality trying to tell us what we should think and how we should behave?
facts
The megaphone that works is heard by the most people unfortunately.
Destiny is Left and I am Right, however he really is a breath of fresh air. And I actually agree with a lot of things he says.
Hassan’s very existence is the best evidence for both the undeniable limitations of being certifiably stupid, IQ wise, and the unmistakable advantages of being conventionally attractive
Lol, this is true
He's is practically a living, breathing study on the "Halo effect".
In a world where everyone wants to be part of a tribe, having your own nuanced views is an admirable trait rather than the norm.
I think people tend to forget that for some people, sports are their way into college
On of my greater passions in life is learning about people who think differently than me. I’m a huge fan of polite discussions about controversial topics. It’s been tough for me as someone slightly right of center to find material from the left that is even mildly enjoyable because of the total lack of intellectual honesty and consistency. I disagree with Destiny on most things but I have to say I 100% believe that he 100% believes his own arguments. They are all really well thought out and it seems like he gives space to others to actually relay their message. People like him are extremely important to society. It’s impossible for us to make the world better if both sides can’t be honest and open. I tell all of my right of center friends that although we are on the same side of center that they actually hurt society by not thinking critically and just agreeing with party lines. If anyone has a suggestion for other left leaning people that are honest, please share.
ImReallyImportant does news coverage constantly from local elections to more obscure congress interactions and you can find him doing it live on Twitch all the time (not sure about his curated UA-cam content or if it exists at all.)
Personally I pull up his vods (when he isn't live) every few days and scrub through those fresh broadcasts until I see something that piques my interest and watch what's going on with his fair coverage and breakdown on how it plays into everything else.
I actually know about one case where they divded in to men/women brackets, because a women (Zhang Shan) beat the men in a Olympic shooting competition.
Imagine how butthurt you have to be xD
1:18:32 This should be taken more seriously, not just for trans issues but regarding advocacy in general.
Good advocacy affects everyone positively
Bad advocacy only affects the people you're "advocating" for...and negatively
When a crazy racist or Terf goes after a specific minority, none of these people will be there to help...but they'll be outraged online🤮
I think one thing Aba and Preach could do more of is review transphobes and call out the other side more, sort of like Destiny does. That way, people can see the more even coverage and find it harder to call them transphobes. When someone calls them transphobic, one of their supporters can send that person an entire video of them disagreeing with someone who is actually transphobic.
I would say the Trans conversation isn't there yet because the activists call everything transphobia. Even the folks who don't believe in this gender stuff can have a point, as gender stuff is a belief system, not medically backed. Psychologically and socially only. This can just be a clash of belief systems. This topic needs to be talked out much more.
@@Toastymosty69 lmao words like hydrophobic exist, do you think scientists mean that certain molecules are “scared” of water dumbass😭
I have never understood Destinys point on bathrooms. Like you want people that aren't passing to use the other restroom right? So yeah as a conservative I think we should just have a consistent standard and Blaire White has to use the men's restroom. If Blaire White looked equally as a woman but was actually a biological woman but thought identified as a man you would be arguing she should use the man's restroom right? The next argument i see is "Trans people would be in danger if they were forced to use the men's restroom!" But seriously I have never seen a single story of a trans person being attacked by men in a men's restroom but I have heard LOTS of stories of trans people attacking women and girls in the women's restroom.
Sounds like you live in an echo cahmber
Newsflash dude, trans people already use the bathroom of the gender they identify with and most people don't bat an eye because most people don't spend their time checking who goes into each bathroom 😂😂😂
@@tarfielarchelone2674 you could try and explain it to me.
I stand with destiny. I'm a Libertarian, ecconomically I lean right, but on social issuues I lean left. saying that i always keep an open mind and try to make my opinions as informed as possible. everyone has the right to live the life they want, but some people are just not open to debate .
"Believe in" statements are religious appeals. I do not believe in individualism, I am an individual, I observe that collectivism exists and demands my fealty to a set of ideologies, not all even capable of cohabitating, and set myself against the cults that demand my participation. I do not BELIEVE in these things because I am not a fucking religious fanatic. Being reasonable is admitting you could be wrong and you cannot be reasonable making believe in statements about your politics. Politics is policy and if you are making believe in statements about policy its not about nuts and bolts, but about your idea of what God, here its The State, ought to do.
at this point i cant even hate on hasan, im just more concerned at how someone can be that wrong & misunderstanding and still have a striving community who genuinely eat up whatever spills out of his mouth
Same with Ethan at h3h3. I saw a Reddit thread of his fans and people were literally talking about his stupid takes, lying, doxxing the wrong person, saying even with all that I’m still a fan and would rather have him being terrible than no content at all. Their fans are self aware I think, they know how stupid they are and their idols do bad things but since they love the echo chamber they would never hold them accountable or even disagree when they are wrong.
Indeed. I was having this conversation only yesterday. The terms 'talking point' and 'dog whistle' have just become a more obscured/nuanced version of a strawman and often ad hominem combined! And yes Vaush and Hassan do it a LOT in my opinion!
You don't understand. I have good and articulate arguments. The other side has talking points
I watched hasan’s reaction it was a whole lot of nothing, “I didn’t say that”, and “see I was right about these guys.” Biggest waste of my time hoping for him to say something constructive or thoughtful.
"I'm not smart" He is so right on that one.
If he only actually took that to heart and shut the fuck up instead of use it as a propped up excuse for when he's completely wrong.
whenever hasan feels attacked he just spouts TRANSPHOBIA no matter what context. it's honestly so cringe
Jeez, every question is “bad faith” to this guy. Totally shuts down any conversation
I wish destiny could get buck angel on to talk about this stuff. Trans male, been one for a really long time and has historical knowledge on the subject. And buck seems like a super fucking cool person.
I absolutely love authentic and honest people like you. We don't have to agree on everything and I don't think people, being able to just have a conversation and share ideas without attacking each other almost seems impossible these days.
Said it before and I'll say it again....Hasan's editors are the hardest working ppl online. Taking out all the uhs and umms has to be to be painfully tedious. Well at least they're paid in computers.
This is probably a college related assessment. Edit Hasan's streams for 3 months to get a passing grade
The “oh so they’re actually good?” Killed me. I can’t believe I use to watch that guy and think he was logical
19:25 such a great point! “Stfu and let the people who do care talk about it”
I had a "discussion" with ChatGPT in which I asked it if men and women's sports were based on sex or gender, it responded with "by sex", I then asked why people who had a biological sex of male could compete in women's sports... you can tell how much ChatGPT has been lobotomized as it just went around and around with ChatGPT effectively having double-think. It insisted they were divided based on sex but some biological men should be allowed to compete in women's sports because of their gender. I asked it if didn't it say it was divided on biological sex and not gender, to which it answered in the affirmative. It was kind of like arguing with Hasan.
I agree that youth sports are an important developmental aspect of a person's life but after grade 10, high school athletes are competing for scholarships. Which trans people have a right to compete for but not in the women's division.
People like Hasan are going to cause society to revert back to the old days of jocks and nerds. Unathletic twerps who shoot a basketball all limp-wristy are trying to dictate terms for completely restructuring sports.
The irony is, these dummies are actually causing me to rethink some of the opinions I have about topics that I have ZERO real-world knowledge of. Reading and research is great but it doesn't replace 1st hand experience.
This is also the point of contention I wanted to make. I can see why it would be in the best interest of developing trans teens to be able to engage properly in youth sports, but I don't think that cis-women have to burden the cost of having their scholarships stripped away from them by transwomen.
@@AlaReDuS Just wondering, what do you think about affirmative action?
I remember playing mixed soccer and flag football in high school most of the girls could not keep up, we had to let them play. So if it's a bunch of not in the best shape yet middle of the road between jock and nerd boys kicking girl's ass with ease what in the hell do they think is gonna happen with jocks that been training for years just switching sides? The girls are in trouble, in the professional field they women are in trouble. I agree they should be able to enjoy sports, yet one side cannot lose anything because they showed up.
@@emperortgp2424 I haven't looked into it nor examined all aspects of affirmation action to a sufficient degree as to warrant forming an informed opinion/conclusion.
@@AlaReDuS Fair enough, just saying that affirmative action also causes some groups to have their opportunities stripped away by others.
I think it's pretty easy to care about youth sports without being constantly openly enthusiastic about it. It's easy to recognize it as an important (arguably necessary) activity to help kids learn a lot of crucial life lessons and (help) keep them out of trouble at a young age. Teamwork, failure, hard work, socializing, leadership setting and reaching goals, are all lessons much easier taught and learned being part of sports as a kid. I don't have to openly be a youth sports fanatic to recognize that - and as an extension be bothered when something comes along looking to sabotage or destroy that space. Yet another reactionary thoughtless argument from Hasan to suggest anyone claiming to care about youth sports is lying. And the way he (and seemingly many others) is so ready to just throw it away because they can't see the benefit of the activity beyond scoring points is exactly why people like him don't deserve a platform. They don't think what they are saying or advocating for through.
i played youth sports and they were lit as fuck, i dont necessarily follow our teams for youth sports a lot but when im nearby a baseball park and i see one game going on ill check out an inning see how the kids of today are doing compared to what me and my friends did on the field, cos i care about sports in general thats why ill watch. he cant just shove the narrative of nobody likes sports, even youth sports or high school sports i played those too and im more than happy to watch a game and pay for the school spirit hasan is just a clown with any sport based take even without his argument being muddied by the trans premise
I love how his only response to a logical question is, “this is incredibly disingenuous man”.
I'm surprised no one calls out that hasan was literally cherry-picking the comments to read in chat
1:10:53 When I hear this I just think of that one old ICarly Episode about the guy who joins the childrens wrestling league or something because they had no standards for entry after Carly's friend beat him at something.
One thing I liked about this is how Preach mentioned that Aba (thought he was going too far) was tapping his leg when he started ripping into Hasan and he kept going after Hasan. Preach has the correct approach here. Love him or hate him Ben Shapiro does the same thing (decides whether or not to make someone look like an idiot in front of there audience). You need to be able to identify when someone is there for a genuine conversation/debate or when someone is only there to spin a narrative and commit to never changing their mind. Hasan is 100% that kind of person. The amount of times I have seen that man discard cognitive dissonance while still holding onto the I am the intellectual perspective of the left "card" blows my mind. Hasan is never going to change his mind. He will die on the hill of any argument he has ever made and will only conform to mainstream views to retain high viewership. The best approach towards Hasan is to make him look like an idiot in front of his fans. Destiny comes to nearly every debate believing everyone is approaching the debate in good faith. For the most part that is an admirable and good thing to do. However, sometimes you need to identify when you are debating these kind of people and immediately go to pointing out how dumb their arguments are. Because at the end of the day, if you debate someone like Hasan you are not actually debating them as a person. You are actually debating an entity that is not part of them.
Just an ammendment here. Hasan will die on the hill of any argument he has ever made unless it is blatantly transphobic, homophobic, etc.
"Don't let people you hate tell you what your political beliefs should be by just believing the opposite of what they believe."
I made this precise mistake when I used to consider myself right wing just because I hate the "sjw" "woke" nonsense. Glad I snapped out of that close minded mentality of one side or the other.
I relate to this
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I don’t think Preach is that good in politics videos tbh. It’s just not his thing their channel didn’t start out as politics and I think Aba is the more political one. Preach is more there for business reasons.
Whilst I agree that Preach isn’t the more political person within the duo I think without his input the dichotomy between the two just wouldn’t work so well. Preach’s thoughts are often more raw and intuitive whilst Aba’s are evidently more calculated and thought out. Preach is needed* for his understanding of how people twist arguments in bad faith and can visibly see the frustration that comes from doing that to someone. If anything, it gives them a vibe of authenticity, if* that makes sense, which is why I think people appreciate them so much. However, depending on the topic of discussion, sometimes it may be Preach to be the more rational one, its just the benefit of a great duo that play off each other.
@@hinterduende8329 well said mate
@@hinterduende8329 Preach is also older than Aba so he seen and experienced a bit more so he has that perspective that's pretty damn pure and no nonsense. When Preach looks dumbfounded at shit, that's the REAL normie look at a lot of topics like "WTF IS THIS" We're legit in a niche looking this reaction of a reaction to a reaction.
My only issue with Aba and Preach is that they don't have enough content to satiate me for now. I need them to do a breakdown of everything in the universe. I'm tired of distractions. They have such grounded takes.
"Don't let people you hate dictate your position"
Then goes onto completely misrepresent Brent Weinstein's political positions. Had you used Dave Rubin as an example that probably would have worked better as he has gone real far libertarian right, though again was that fully in response to TYT?
I don't think you understand what "completely misrepresenting" political positions looks like if you think that is what happened.
@@nonserviam4813 Here is, in essence, what Destiny said: "Based on what I've seen I got an impression about this guy. This impression could be off base but this is what it seemed like with the information I saw."
To call this a misrepresentation is just so dumb.
High school sports is where people get scouted for college sports which then elevates you to be scouted for pro sports and Olympics. High school sports is fucking important for athletes.
Wow destiny. At 2 mins you talk about how your won’t change your views because of who’s cancelling you, then you literally describe bret Weinsteins position without even realising it and then accuse him of the opposite. Bret is still a liberal who believes in redistributing wealth, still thinks trumps insane etc. basically everything you tried to say to describe how you are different you were actually describing how you are the same.
You just think he’s right wing because of his coronavirus positions which actually have nothing to do with being right or left. Many people on the left are against a lot of the issues around coronavirus
Lol
Thank you.
Tribalism is the method by which these "believe in" modern religions operate. Zero examples of policy proposal changes for Brett, but you FEEL, it SEEMS, as if he jumped ship. ie. Left the cult.
Wasn't that bretts statement?
26:49 we do a little trolling, it's called we do a little trolling.
You got a surprising amount of people with that one. Given what you were responding to I would of thought the joke was obvious.
"How long trans people have to wait for hormones compared to cis people that get them for balding"
Hormones for balding?? Pretty sure that isn't the same as hormones that a trans person would take, considering test leads to hair loss not hair gain tf kind of a statement was that
Hasan went from a Steven Crowder 2.0 to a Vaush / Ezra Miller / AOC / Rachel Maddow hybrid 😂
I completely disagree with your take on high school sports. There’s a ton of people who use sports as a gateway out of poverty, class issues and are the first to go to college due to sports only. To allow trans women to go into womens sports and take a spot away from a real woman that would use the scholarship, spotlight and way out of their current situation away from them.
Saying that trans women can't compete in women's sports is a shitty bullet to bite but I have way more respect for the side that's willing to bite that bullet instead of having to put all cis-women at a competitive disadvantage in their own leagues. I think that trans women should be able to compete in sports up to the college level. Athletic scholarships are such an important thing for so many people as they're the only way for many people to get a college education. With how much there is at stake at that level and beyond, it just seems unfair for trans women to have such a big advantage to win those scholarships. Again I feel shitty saying that but I just think that's the most fair. But I do feel conflicted on this issue.
Women's sports leagues were literally created to give people born female the equal ability to get scholarships like males. So yes it's unfair to let males play in these leagues. We are going to need SCOTUS to confirm that Title IX applies to female sports, not just "women" based on self ID/ gender presentation. In medicine we acknowledge a difference in binary "M/F" vs "self reported gender" - its on medical records. Sports should be the same
We witnessed grown men beating up on boys when the NBA Olympics, back in the day, only allowed the United States to send college athletes to play against grown men and never win. As soon we were allowed to send NBA athletes, we dominated. Hence the 1992 Dream Team with Michael Jordan. That was the first time we sent grown men to play against grown men and it was more entertaining and gave us a fair chance to win the gold.
In the words of an intellect: Everytime I'm about to do something, I think "Would a Hasan do this?" And if he would, I don't do that thing.
2:04 ... haha as destiny talks about not letting your enemies define your politics, destiny defines bret weinstein's politics in a negative condescending way based on very little actual real information. bret weinstein believes in most or all of the left wing hot points that destiny mentions, definitely isnt a conservative, and weinstein didnt get "triggered" he literally got hunted by students with bats on his own campus... AND then the campus/town police were told by the president of the school to stand down. where have we heard the stand down tactic from? hmm antfi/blm summer of love 2020
I think that hasan's problems is that he forms all of his opinions based on people in chat(which filled with a bunch of trolls) and he is desperate for approval so he's bad at forming his own opinion. Once hasan feels like he's on the moral high ground he will not back down from a subject, and he'll really get into arguing the definition of something he hasn't researched and doesn't believed in, so it's kind of hard to know what he's thinking at all.
I think it’s because, and I’m not trying to be nasty here, Hasan is the left’s Dave Rubin. Neither of them have had a single original thought in their entire lives. Neither of them can explain their positions from a set of ‘first principles’. They have both built and refined a dedicated audience over time by mindlessly repeating the talking points their fans love to hear.
I’ve never actually watched Destiny and have only seen him in the background but after watching this, it was great. These are reasonable people in different parts of the political spectrum that can work together because they can have rational conversation. It’s a beautiful thing to respect someone you don’t necessarily agree with. ❤
33:50 this dude really out there asking "where is the nonsense and misinformation" to a video lmao. Looks like when there are people that keep asking "but why?", "who is him/her?", "what's he/she doing?" while watching a movie lol.
I like how Aba keeps nudging Preach to keep it down low, but Preach is just like: No, Let me talk my talk.
Hasan has a very serious yeyo problem, also I think the last place someone with gender dysphoria should be is around people trying to pressure them into transitioning. like is it really their choice if the choice is being pressured by these people? of course, and so they would never take responsibility for the pressure and that is especially the case when the person wants to detransition
He's got the Columbian flu 🤣🤣🤣
What is yeyo?
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I agree 💯 & so glad to see somebody else say this! He's a ❄️ snowbuddy for sure
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I agree with destiny's take on high-school sports including trans-girls under the caveat that they are excluded from scholarship considerations. I don't like the idea of someone being left out, I just don't want young women missing out on opportunities due to an unfair conditions.
Hey Aba slow down. I mostly agree with you with this topic. But don't farm these crazies. We don't want you to get banned from YT because of it. I'm not prepared to lose my daily routine with ya xD
UA-cam/Google are literally run by a bunch of Hasans.
Consider these guys gone. It's just a matter of time.
Mostly? How do you disagree?
@@Va11idus Well, I'm from a 3rd world country so we're hella traditional still here. Gay marriage isn't even legal here yet and we don't have even divorce. So you might say I'm more transphobe than Aba. My mind is changing everyday at least.
@@samesamv1472 bro you country isn't 3rd world country but a 4th world country. Which country don't even have divorce?
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 To clarify we shave something similar but it isn't called divorce, it's called annulment but it's quite a different process and because people can't even afford lawyers they just go their separate ways most times.
I don’t care what you’re talking about or what hate facts that you spew. If you disagree or think two black men are wrong, that’s an automatic example of racism. White guys saying that these black men are wrong,……..racism. Period.
Why did I just hear a full choir of cuckoo clocks go off ? Or you're just a troll trying to stir a commotion.
These rapid fire destiny uploads are amazing
He finally stopped playing league
Fr I’ve been bed ridden and they are keeping me alive right now
"old enough to count, old enough to mount?" is still my favourite quote of all time.
When Preach is so upset he becomes super sass I become a bit scared - I love that man with all my life
I appreciate the bit about the bit about not changing your opinions to spite the opposition.
I’ve read some “why I stopped supporting trans people” from gender crit people and it is usually, “I had a bad experience with a trans person”
It's impressive Destiny can hold intelligent conversations while playing a Soulsbourne game well
Im so glad Destiny reafirmed his support for actual trans people advocacy. I was getting worried there for awhile because of all the conservatives chestbeating.
Come on, Hassan might be a lost cause but we don't all have to be, it's doesn't have to be tribal sports, the only people framing it that way want you in their team.
I'm very confused. What chestbeating?
@@onionfarmer3044 there's been a lot of people in the UA-cam comments and other destiny chats recently that have been saying destiny has become one of them
You are just afraid of the conversation because you know it is revealing some truths the activism is ignoring. Take a risk and don't hold onto beliefs so tightly. Be curious.
@@carolinaandy5059 "there's been a lot of people in the UA-cam comments and other destiny chats recently that have been saying destiny has become one of them" Nah so far there sure are conservatives in the comment section, but most of the time they are commenting their agreement with destiny on this issue or any other social issue, which is surprisingly funny to me as conservatives were always labeled as bigots, hatred driven people, yet its not the conservatives that got him banned. You dont need to worry about your partisanship, destiny was conservative that turned lefty and became what a true debater on politics should be - open minded.
Imagine if Hassan's video were part of a drinking game and everyone watching had to take a shot everytime he said transphobic or transphobia. His entire audience would be dead from alcohol poisoning less than half way through the video.
But in all seriousness, he could at least try to make counter points with actual facts and data. Just using labels while painting every opposing view with the same broad brush is not a counter argument.
His audience is not allowed to drink yet
Hasan : I'm not going to try and put them in a corner, I know the debate lord tactics and I'm not going to use it.
This is the biggest X I've ever pressed in my life.
I'd bet everything I own that aba and preach would desecrate him by just talking normally.
I can't with this forever 21 fratboy man, Destiny how do you endure it? Forget his takes, just the way he speaks triggers my college PTSD with all of the himbos being on their high horses and stuff but then getting wasted as f, driving at who knows how many miles per hour and runing someone over. Like man, are you americans ok? How is this dude so popular? I really don't get it...
He's pretty and he's tall so women likes him so in their head if they listen to him follow him women will like them too.
This is a joke I actually have no idea how he is popular. When I first heard of Hasan he was a debate bro but judging from the comments I don't think he debates anymore
I don't think anybody infuriates me more than Hasan online, not even Vaush pisses me off this much.