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The walls of Zama in that painting are over 15 meters tall. That would be a pretty stout wall for Constantinople. I just looked at the google imagery of the site and Zama was no Constantinople.
The mention of the coppices is a really cool detail. Common everywhere but in arid climates an important renewable source of firewood, building material, shafts for spears and arrows etc. A really nice little window into the past.
Absolutely PHENOMENAL artwork, beautiful maps, and excellent story telling. Love this channel to death, you guys seriously do not get enough recognition! Can't wait to see Gaius Marius take command 😉
Readers have to remember that the elephants used by the Numidians and previously by the Carthaginians are NOT the huge African savannah breed or even the somewhat smaller Indian elephants. The elephants used were the northern forest elephants (now extinct) and were 8 ft tall weighing 2-3 tons. Scary enough but not big enough for a howdah, a box with men in it). In addition most times their tusks grew downward not curving up as those from Savanna and Indian elephants. It always chuckles me that all artists show the gigantic Savanna elephants in Hannibal and Jugurtha scenes. Yes, you can train Indian elephants but unfortunately they are 4200 miles away in India and closer African Savannah elephants can be trained but only with long training times and a great deal difficulty.
Again an excellent video! Concerning Metellus I get the impression that he was an able but not a brilliant general. However given the performence of the troops under his command, he was certeinly very good in restoring discipline and faith. Other armies (even roman ones) under other commanders whould have routed in some of the situations, Metellus troops did face.
@@joeybattlefieldv2641 The Romans are taught to us as invaders, Juba and Jogartha as noble kings who defended the integrity of the Amazigh population (called the Berber or barbarians by the Romans) at the time, but in modern times I think we see them as invaders, same as the vandals, the Byzantine, the arabs(subjective opinion), the ottomans or the French.
@@joeybattlefieldv2641there only a few romans descendants here since almost all of the romans left after the ummayads conquests, plus there's altava the kingdom of romans and maures
The Numidians are depicted to be too dark, in reality those Numidians and North Africans did not look much different than their roman contemporaries. Don't engage in historical revisionism now.
Why are the Numidians depicted black but not as tan/pale North Africans?! Contemporary sources of iconography and literature sources never depicted them to be black but rather to share common features to the North Africans today
@@gregorymerritt2528 North Africa has always been a land of Libyans or Berbers, and the drawings of the ancient Egyptians show that they were white. Stop stealing our history, stop being racist. What is this inferiority complex that you have? You started with the Moores and now to the Numid?
man the sponsors for Invicta's videos are the most unrelated to its themes one can think of, and his way to tie them in is quite ridiculous most of the time, which is a shame considering the quality of the videos
All of those sponsors are of questionable quality and throw their money at any creator willing to advertise for them. They even check how many shop link clicks and final sales the person creates for them. It's all about being omni-present on UA-cam to catch customers. Of course, anybody with a bit of common sense knows heavy YT sponsoring is on of the biggest red flags, when it comes to value for money, there could possibly be. And then there is scam like Established Titles or Kamikoto.
I thought jugurtha and his numidian people was amazigh barber, live in northern Africa and have light-tanned skin with black hair rather than fully black like sub-saharan ethnics, this depiction of jugurtha and his people is not historicly accurate and i fear this channel had been infected of woke-afrocentrism propaganda, i would reconsider to continue subscribe this channel or not
Yes stop black+white washing North Africa. We are our own people. we are not sub-saharan. Especially the coastal places are literally the same colour as any Mediterranean country
Ciga(Ain timouchent now)is in the west not the east , it was the capital of Syphax the king of Massissilia. I hope in the next video you will mention what Yugherthen(Jugurtha) said to the romains when they asked him to kneel if he want his life he replied " anaraz wala anaknu" it means " we prefer to break not kneel''
Great video, excellent series, and fun recounting of the conflict in Numidia during the reign of Jugurtha. I have one small quibble: please consider ditching these maps of yours and make new ones, because they are inaccurate and also inconsistent from video to video. The Roman Republic circa 110 BC controlled much of southern Gaul, way more of Iberia, and westernmost Anatolia.
Speaking of te Jugurthine wars, I'm going to have battles against the Numidians in my Total War Rome 2 Divide et Impera campaign as Rome right in their lands
@misternoname you don't seem to be the brightest and obviously it matters enough for some people that they would really like to change the traditional labeling of time periods, just as others like to change the brightness of the skin colour for certain ethnic groups (actually it's often the same people..... but not always ....) but I guess you wouldn't question their intentions and why this matters
Great documentary but why are they black? That’s like claiming cleopatra was black. They were North African which makes them most likely the color of the berbers right
I think some of the Gaetuli were described as looking like Aethiopians, also the Garamantians were fairly dark I believe. But yeah, the average Numidian would be "North African" in appearance.
@@Harib_Al-Saq the gaetuli were differentiated between the gaetuli and the melanogaetuli who the latter were black which are suggested either to have assimilated with the gaetuli gradually by either migration trade conquest or slavery
@@zakback9937No, they inhabited Morocco (Latin for Gaetuli). You also dismiss the fact that they most definitely migrated down south into West Africa. If they never were black then why were they described as such?
When you decided you've had enough bribes making government useless You can just start lopping people's heads off to get change instead. ...I'm not saying this to anyone in PARTICULAR. Just saying, it's a lesson from history.
Even though the Romans were better at close quarters combat, if I were Jugurtha, I'd feel comfortable in a pitch battle against them if my army was three times as big and they were distracted against a garrison. I'm a bit surprised that given the Romans kept losing more men than him in their victories that he didn't achieve this level of numerical superiority.
Greetings from Siliana (ancient Zama) it’s an agricultural region with green wheat fields, forests and cherry trees, not a desert. So is the rest of northern Tunisia. Also the numidians weren’t of dark skin.
I still don't understand why both sides went to war. Why couldn't Rome accept Jugurtha? The means by which he ascended cannot be shocking to a Roman politician. And you never said that Rome wanted to outright conquer Numidia, so what was all of this about?? Just egos clashing??
The idea of having two separate armies operating simultaneously in a campaign or forming a strategic pincer didn't wasn’t a part of Roman military practice until Agrippa made it a thing during the civil wars of the late republic.
You actually want co-ordination for a pincer. And other situations with multiple commanders turn into a mess - looking to place blame, not enough communication, trying to outdo the other and leaving vulnerabilities. Now giving a larger army so it could be split to a subordinate commander works, if they don't get all Starscream.
@@nicholasnelson8641 yes. That's what I'm referring to, like the two armies that the Octavian used to invade Cleopatra's Egypt. Those armies invaded simultaneously.
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Out of all person, it was Marius who will betray him?!
👍🏽🇩🇿♓❤
Have you released video #4? cant seem to find it.
Invicta really teleported back to 109 BC and gives us a live reaction of the siege, respect
Bros get around
If he really teleported to 109 BC he wouldn’t be depicting Numidians (Amazighs) as black people
@@John-pk9rw of course you know, you were there
@@Abdal-RahmanI I’m actually Amazigh myself, nice try
@fertisus if you look into it for 5 min like I have then you will see that berbers were not black.
Another cleopatra laugh is what it looks like.
its very hard to break my total war addiction when i got your videos popping up all the time.
Kudos to every person who worked on this, especially all the artists who made art for this. I love the portrayal of the Numiduan cavalry.
a bit tanned those "Numidians"
on coins they look more like your average Mediterraneans who usually doesn't tend to get that dark
@@feldgeist2637 I respectfully disagree
@@FNGPREPPER
Want to know what Numidians looked like? Take a look at modern Algerians.
@@FNGPREPPERDisagree on literally no grounds? They were described as tan, all North Africans are
In case you missed it. Episode 01: ua-cam.com/video/y2qhL_4INMw/v-deo.html Episode 02: ua-cam.com/video/aTThAgot13w/v-deo.html
The walls of Zama in that painting are over 15 meters tall. That would be a pretty stout wall for Constantinople. I just looked at the google imagery of the site and Zama was no Constantinople.
where is part 4?
The mention of the coppices is a really cool detail. Common everywhere but in arid climates an important renewable source of firewood, building material, shafts for spears and arrows etc. A really nice little window into the past.
Absolutely PHENOMENAL artwork, beautiful maps, and excellent story telling. Love this channel to death, you guys seriously do not get enough recognition! Can't wait to see Gaius Marius take command 😉
those 40 legionaires who held their ground 🤝🗿
Giga chads
How ironic that this ended at the same place as Hannibal was defeated.
Trippy for sure!
This is the kind of content we've been waiting for.
Great video!! Greetings from Algeria 🇩🇿
Readers have to remember that the elephants used by the Numidians and previously by the Carthaginians are NOT the huge African savannah breed or even the somewhat smaller Indian elephants. The elephants used were the northern forest elephants (now extinct) and were 8 ft tall weighing 2-3 tons. Scary enough but not big enough for a howdah, a box with men in it). In addition most times their tusks grew downward not curving up as those from Savanna and Indian elephants. It always chuckles me that all artists show the gigantic Savanna elephants in Hannibal and Jugurtha scenes. Yes, you can train Indian elephants but unfortunately they are 4200 miles away in India and closer African Savannah elephants can be trained but only with long training times and a great deal difficulty.
Excellent method to spread historial knowledge. Greetings from a Tunisian.
Again an excellent video! Concerning Metellus I get the impression that he was an able but not a brilliant general. However given the performence of the troops under his command, he was certeinly very good in restoring discipline and faith. Other armies (even roman ones) under other commanders whould have routed in some of the situations, Metellus troops did face.
This series is turning into something good
The Jugurthine War #4 when?
Never I guess? I cant find it :(
I'm from a year in the future... No video yet :(
Yes. I enjoyed this episode very much. Invicta always does great work.
ALWAYS!!
Yes! Been waiting for the continuation of the Jugurthine campaign. Great work as always Invicta!
4:28 Jughurta wasn't black... stop being like Netflix
@@YasserMaghribi maybe he was marocain 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Achrif
@@samirmehdi5867 ?
As someone from Constantine (cirta) this is an eye-opening experience right here X)
How do people in Algeria view the Romans? Are they considered ancestors of many Algerians? Are they seen in a negative or positive light?
@@joeybattlefieldv2641 The Romans are taught to us as invaders, Juba and Jogartha as noble kings who defended the integrity of the Amazigh population (called the Berber or barbarians by the Romans) at the time, but in modern times I think we see them as invaders, same as the vandals, the Byzantine, the arabs(subjective opinion), the ottomans or the French.
@@joeybattlefieldv2641there only a few romans descendants here since almost all of the romans left after the ummayads conquests, plus there's altava the kingdom of romans and maures
GREAT video, very well detailed and of course entertaining!
Cool another video showing up just before bed.
My 'watch later' playlist to the rescue 😀
What's it like having willpower for that? I'm forever clicking "just one more video" when I should be sleeping ..
@@VosperCDNyou have an addiction 😂
@@VosperCDN just try it for yourself. It gets easier the more you do it.
Netflix jugurtha ✋👎
We wuz cleopatra we wuz qwueen charlotte we wuz jugurtha we wuz erryting
NUMIDIA WUZ BLAK AFRICA IZ N WUS BLAK N SHEIT
One of my favorite UA-cam channels! Loved the video on the History of the Marine Raiders!
Great video and series! Interesting coverage of a campaign I don’t know much about
PART 4 PLEASE GANG
Elephants being useless/used badly once again: incident number 784 in antiquity.
Like it's an ever present theme 😂
I just watched the other 2 parts yesterday, now this
You're sadic leaving me with that plotwist at the end and no more
Absolutely love videos you and your team make, every videos a gem 👌🍄
Ok. Everyone's homework is to read Sallust. He's pretty savage.
Nice suggestion
Are we race swapping Jugurtha now?
Thank you as always for the information
The Numidians are depicted to be too dark, in reality those Numidians and North Africans did not look much different than their roman contemporaries. Don't engage in historical revisionism now.
You people try to white wash everything. Numerous invasions cause skin lighten . Thanks God for DNA
Back on form!
11:40 was that a a newsreader.
This video is clearly sponsored by the Guild of Millers True Roman bread for True Romans
Will there be a 4. episode?
Ohh lets go!
I love roman history ! ❤🇺🇸🇨🇦
Shame there was never a pt.4
Great video
Nice video!
Why are the Numidians depicted black but not as tan/pale North Africans?! Contemporary sources of iconography and literature sources never depicted them to be black but rather to share common features to the North Africans today
Because everyone knows this was a black north Africa before the Arab invasion's
@@gregorymerritt2528
North Africa has always been a land of Libyans or Berbers, and the drawings of the ancient Egyptians show that they were white. Stop stealing our history, stop being racist. What is this inferiority complex that you have? You started with the Moores and now to the Numid?
man the sponsors for Invicta's videos are the most unrelated to its themes one can think of, and his way to tie them in is quite ridiculous most of the time, which is a shame considering the quality of the videos
I am indeed hoping we get a better variety of relevant sponsors. It can be slim picking some times
All of those sponsors are of questionable quality and throw their money at any creator willing to advertise for them. They even check how many shop link clicks and final sales the person creates for them. It's all about being omni-present on UA-cam to catch customers. Of course, anybody with a bit of common sense knows heavy YT sponsoring is on of the biggest red flags, when it comes to value for money, there could possibly be. And then there is scam like Established Titles or Kamikoto.
Thanks a lot
Great video!
I thought jugurtha and his numidian people was amazigh barber, live in northern Africa and have light-tanned skin with black hair rather than fully black like sub-saharan ethnics, this depiction of jugurtha and his people is not historicly accurate and i fear this channel had been infected of woke-afrocentrism propaganda, i would reconsider to continue subscribe this channel or not
a long time ago already
but they're getting more obtrusive lately
This racists have no shame how you can look at the coins of jugurtha and then tell yourself he looked black
Yes stop black+white washing North Africa. We are our own people. we are not sub-saharan. Especially the coastal places are literally the same colour as any Mediterranean country
Ciga(Ain timouchent now)is in the west not the east , it was the capital of Syphax the king of Massissilia.
I hope in the next video you will mention what Yugherthen(Jugurtha) said to the romains when they asked him to kneel if he want his life he replied " anaraz wala anaknu" it means " we prefer to break not kneel''
Great video, excellent series, and fun recounting of the conflict in Numidia during the reign of Jugurtha. I have one small quibble: please consider ditching these maps of yours and make new ones, because they are inaccurate and also inconsistent from video to video. The Roman Republic circa 110 BC controlled much of southern Gaul, way more of Iberia, and westernmost Anatolia.
Speaking of te Jugurthine wars, I'm going to have battles against the Numidians in my Total War Rome 2 Divide et Impera campaign as Rome right in their lands
Awesome video ! :)
How come you guys don't put links to the previous videos in the description? Makes watching your series a lot more difficult
Subtitles:
“Safe haven for Metallica’s Army”
Me: I approve of this mistranslation from UA-cam.
Full play-by-play of the battle. Maybe invicta was an ancient gladiator sportscaster
Very cool episode
Thank you for using AD and BC instead of fake and ungodly bce, ce
@misternoname you don't seem to be the brightest and obviously it matters enough for some people that they would really like to change the traditional labeling of time periods, just as others like to change the brightness of the skin colour for certain ethnic groups (actually it's often the same people..... but not always ....)
but I guess you wouldn't question their intentions and why this matters
A drink every time he says local terrain
The coins left from numidia showing that jugartha was either white or olive skin color
love this series
Funny when history has cliffhangers.
4:52 Was Bomilkar a Carthaginian?
great video
6:26 I recognise that lone roman, he's the one from the "Crassus you fuck!" meme
Great documentary but why are they black? That’s like claiming cleopatra was black. They were North African which makes them most likely the color of the berbers right
I think some of the Gaetuli were described as looking like Aethiopians, also the Garamantians were fairly dark I believe. But yeah, the average Numidian would be "North African" in appearance.
@@Harib_Al-Saq Gaetuli inhabited further south where they and the Garamantes enslaved other Saharans
@@Harib_Al-Saq the gaetuli were differentiated between the gaetuli and the melanogaetuli who the latter were black which are suggested either to have assimilated with the gaetuli gradually by either migration trade conquest or slavery
@@sulaimanhaouane1861 I tend to lean towards the conquest theory.
@@zakback9937No, they inhabited Morocco (Latin for Gaetuli). You also dismiss the fact that they most definitely migrated down south into West Africa. If they never were black then why were they described as such?
11:37 "True Roman bread for true Romans!!"
Hope it gets picked up by the algorithm
This would make a good movie
Nice vid
Another excellent video.
We wuz kangz n shiet
Where is episode 4
His nickname would be Jurgey...
Make Roman videos after AD 476 please.
Jugurtha's army mostly consisted of shady dudes who's primary weapon was a bag of money.....and their secondary weapon was also another bag of money.
they weren't black!
When you decided you've had enough bribes making government useless
You can just start lopping people's heads off to get change instead.
...I'm not saying this to anyone in PARTICULAR. Just saying, it's a lesson from history.
Hey... Better grey hair than not there hair!
Even though the Romans were better at close quarters combat, if I were Jugurtha, I'd feel comfortable in a pitch battle against them if my army was three times as big and they were distracted against a garrison. I'm a bit surprised that given the Romans kept losing more men than him in their victories that he didn't achieve this level of numerical superiority.
Our king jugurtha was not black
NICE❤❤
Nice
Jugurtha not a black guy stop pandering.
amazing arrwork!
Trash artwork making the numidians look nothing like they looked
@@chakir348 do you know how they looked like?
I miss cities with big freaking walls.
Where’s part 2?
Greetings from Siliana (ancient Zama) it’s an agricultural region with green wheat fields, forests and cherry trees, not a desert. So is the rest of northern Tunisia.
Also the numidians weren’t of dark skin.
Something with your audio is off. It sounds echoey and also loud
Just moved to a new place and basically have an empty room now so there is indeed an echo. Hoping to fox things soon
@@InvictaHistory fox things soon huh?
@@bingingbinging8597 Cut him some slack.
Legionaries were bloody IRON men. Those guys could hump like mules and fight like lions
I still don't understand why both sides went to war. Why couldn't Rome accept Jugurtha? The means by which he ascended cannot be shocking to a Roman politician. And you never said that Rome wanted to outright conquer Numidia, so what was all of this about?? Just egos clashing??
BLACKWASHING AGAIN...
Finally a real depiction of Numidians
Elephants have got to be the most overrated weapon of war.
Why didn't the Senate send two armies to invade Numidia at the same time in a pincer?
The idea of having two separate armies operating simultaneously in a campaign or forming a strategic pincer didn't wasn’t a part of Roman military practice until Agrippa made it a thing during the civil wars of the late republic.
You actually want co-ordination for a pincer. And other situations with multiple commanders turn into a mess - looking to place blame, not enough communication, trying to outdo the other and leaving vulnerabilities.
Now giving a larger army so it could be split to a subordinate commander works, if they don't get all Starscream.
@@nicholasnelson8641 yes. That's what I'm referring to, like the two armies that the Octavian used to invade Cleopatra's Egypt. Those armies invaded simultaneously.
woah
Yo
Certainly strains one's knowledge of geography, eh? Btw, an assault by close order Roman infantry? That's what your ELEPHANTS are there for, dude.
So, cavalry is the military unit. Calvary is where Christ was crucified.
Why do you show Jugurtha as a sub Saharan black man 🫤 modern day Berbers/Algerians don’t look black
I’m Algerian btw
"Modern day" insecure Algerian Nats outting themselves
He was a white guy yall 😂