The Battle of Suthul - The African Teutoburg (110 BC) DOCUMENTARY
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2023
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We continue our series on the Jugurthine War which saw the armies of the late Roman Republic attempt to take on the Kingdom of Numidia. In this episode we follow the escalation of tensions as wave after wave of legions are sent to Africa. However one after the other their commanders are turned aside by the brilliant political and military moves of Jugurtha. This culminates in the battle of Suthul whose betrayal and ambush would echoe the later battle of Teutoburg Forest.
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Sources:
Sallust, The Jugurthine War, XII
Matyszak, The Enemies of Rome
Marc Hyden, Gaius Marius
Credits:
Research = Eric Ten Wolde
Script = Eric Ten Wolde
Narration = Invicta
Artwork = Penta Limited
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Jugurtha's greatest mistake was perhaps massacring the Italians who supported Aderbal. If hadn't done so, then a Roman military intervention could've been altogether avoided and he would've spent the rest of his life in relative peace.
I love your videos and fantasy ones too ❤
Just a quick note numedians are not black people's
Nicely done video
@@billeldz2920---Then what kind of people are they?
"bribed his way out of a bribery trial". Jugurtha put all his points into speech
Ah the double down strategy. 60% of the time it works every time.
An honored tradition practiced to this day by oligarchs everywhere.
Except he literally didn't speak at his own trial.
He was a slippery smooth talker.
You misspelled "money". He put all his points in money.
The berber who bribed his way out of a bribery trial, we're truly proud of our ancestor.
3:03 5:57 "The roman senate is the best government that money can buy." - Brian. And apparently Jugurtha.
Just like USA 🇺🇸 government.
Never heard of Jugurtha or that battle ever before. It's fascinating to learn about other places' History and people. I just love it.
There are many French history books on ancient Maghreb history. And you will also get the right depiction of them.
you trust the frecnh that colonized that region bro gtfo lol
@@zakaria497
Jugurtha to Romans everytime- "I'm gonna pay you $100 to fuck off"
Again a wonderful episode about a mostly unknown episode of Roman history. Although I wonder if the Roman sources did not overstate the bribery in the Army as a mean to excuse their rather abymal performance...😕
I also wonder if Gaius Marius did not took many inspirations for his later reforms of the Roman Army from his former superior Metellus..
I also wonder if Sallust didn't overstate the ubiquity of corruption in Roman politics for ideological purposes.
I can see many ordinary military incompetence being covered by excuses, but if what really happened was a normal battlefield defeat, it would be difficult to turn this into a story of an entire cohort switching sides without some guy trying to defend his honor. That and the fact that Jugurtha's quote about Rome seems to have been recorded by a contemporary (as opposed to a writer generations down the line) makes me believe the events played out similar to the story.
How many times we are going to say this, Numidians/Moors werent black
African ≠ black
American centric view on the world.
Wait,were did they say they were black on this whole video?
@@ibrahimsuleiman8473 look how he represented them
@@ibrahimsuleiman8473 he is tanned/Brown skinned on the depiction and i mean how the video author represented them on this video
Not black
@@AB-fr2ei
Exactly. They didn't depict him as black and never meantion anything black but people felt the need to say he is not black. Like what bring black into this?
makes you wonder if the Romans decided to settle Germania into a province after Germanicus' "revenge", would Teutoburg have been revered as much?
Probably yes, first, they were all killed, it's a bigger impact than bribing several cohorts and letting the rest escape. Second, Teutoburg happened during the reign of Augustus, one of the most well-known roman emperors, Suthul happened in the period that is often ignored between the Second Punic War and Ilius Caesar, so it had been forgotten with the rest.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist or into 'alternative history' nonsense but the 'revenge' of Germanicus always seemed like a Pyrrhic victory to me and i'm really not sure that those victories against Arminius were all that decisive considering Arminius was able to field full armies against the Macromani shortly after his defeats by Rome.
@@BOSIE321 Or the Romans were just lying about the scale of the Cherusci-Macromanii War.
I think it would be not. Much of the today fame of the battle comes out of nationalist propaganda in the 19th and 20th century (and bevor) and of course "anti-imperialistic" sentiments in newer times. Arminius is a good tool to sell your own agenda, so to speak (whil ignoring mostly the very nasty aspects of his actions).
That the "freedom" of Germania Magna was "safed" was a big selling point to make this battle big (which was by far not the worst defeat of a Roman army, not even against a Germanic foe). Take away all this "freedom" and "savior of Germany" stuff, and Arminius would surely be praised by some, but to a much lower degree. So the battle would be remembered, too - but I think less than lets say Cannae.
@@BOSIE321 Yeah it feels more like cope from the Romans
Jugurtha: "some call it bribes, some call it political sponsorship".
I'm leaving in 24 hours. There's no way you'll get a billion dollars Jack.. That son of a b*tch got fired!
*King Joegurtha of Scranton*
invicta videos are my addiction
The Berbers were white and had fair skin, Egyptian and Roman illustrations show them as such. This whole video is a bit misleading.
They werent "white" either
They had some fair people like today but majority were just brown/tan skinned caucasoids like middle easterners/West asians
@@AB-fr2ei they were depicted as fair skinned and fair eyed by contemporary sources. Tan perhaps but still not subsaharan or dark.
@@wfr1108 yeah i know
They werent SSA/black at all
And they were genetically similar to modern day maghrebis, so olive skinned/tanned Caucasoids, and i know about the fair berbers/maghrebis but its just a tiny amount of maghrebis, not the majority
They weren't white. But they weren't this dark by any means. They, like all North Africans, varied in skin tone from olive to dark, but not black very often.
@@AB-fr2ei put norwegian in middle of egypt and u will see
Gaius Marius Trained viletes to ride horses but there's no success
Than he trained hastati to ride horses and succeeded to catch the Numidian cavalry
About time you guys wrote about my people! Though Jughurta was not that black as you are depicting him.
Grats for being black
@@coughcough3323 it’s my peoples deepest desire to be falsely portrayed as black people…
@@zakaria497 Agreed although some berbers as you know are black especially the further close to the Sahara/Sahel a specific Berber tribe is, Jugurtha was more than likely on the lighter side though and they depict him more as a west African than a North African man
@@taethegreat6607 I fully agree with you on that point, I’ve always maintained that there do exist Berbers who are black and mostly reside in the Sahel region.
The majority of Berbers are mostly from olive skinned to pale and also quite dark but you can really see it’s a North African with the features.
People do forget that ancient Berber such as Garamantes engaged fully in slavery and mated a lot with the slave women. Tuaregs have also gone along that phat, they had many slave tribes such ikelan and haratin. So indeed some of our people are fully assimilated ethnic black Berbers however they are not the majority.
@@taethegreat6607 I just find it very disrespecting and mischievous to depict a very prominent person in Berbers history and not to be depicted correctly as by verified sources. And yes it does hurt a bit extra since it’s my people’s ancient history and we had to endure a lot to preserve our identity, cultural heritage and language. In Kabyle we are very proud of our history people from America tell me I’m not native nor did our ancient greats look like us when we literally have thousand of historical authentic depictions of them.
Kangstory doesn't = history
'The War of the Bribes' If they'd make a NetFlix series out of this, would be such a hit.
I mean you got everything in this, Violence, Court Intrigue, bribes left, right and center, people switching sides all the time, such a thriller drama, and enough historic content at the ready for atleast 3 or 4 seasons.
I'm leaving in 24 hours. There's no way you'll get a billion dollars Jack.. That son of a b*tch got fired!
*King Joegurtha of Scranton*
Wait for the bizantine game of Thrones
No please, Netflix or Hollywood stay out of history
They will make the Numidian guy Asian , And the romans black
@@rdg665 hahahahaha so true i forgot about that xD
Thank you, Invicta. Sincerely, thank you.
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Jurgatha would definitely play as the Morganites in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. 100% guranteed.
Blackwashing Amazighs, blackwashing Cleopatra. What’s next, vikings were black?
Why does it matter...?
@@Lassisvulgaris bcs you’re stealing and falsifying history and you’re the first one to cry if Nelson Mandela was depicted as a white man
@@Lassisvulgaris Because history is about reality. Obviously.
@@LegalSC And still historians can't agree on several topics....
Vikings seem to get reputation of being quite good at plundering... so maybe?
Why did you made Jugurtha a West-african? Don't you know what a Amazigh/Berber is?
Where has this channel been all my life! Awesome content, great way to teach history
I get the animation for jugurtha being the wrong color but can anyone appreciate how awesome this is I don’t think anyone has such a detailed video about this topic at all and I’ve been looking for one shit like this is why invicta is the shit focus on that bruv.
Great episode & lesson, I never knew about this
Why are the illustrations in this video depicting Jugurtha showing him as being west african in appearence? He was a north african berber and there are coins bearing his face that show he was certainly not a west african. Not a great look for a history channel to make such a blatant error.
Because blackwashing North Africans is popular bit of historical revisionism done by people on the far left, which this channel largely is. The team are incapable of keeping their presentism and politics from blinding them. This is far from the first time.
I as a North African, am sick of it !
@@AliTounes2011 I, as a hella whiteboi that is also a historian, am sick of it too. Race-swapping historical characters, no matter the swap, is historical revisionism for a socio-political purpose. That has NEVER gone well.
@@Nick-hi9gx This is also the higlight and the symptoms of a terrible inferiority complex from some people.
We ve come at a time of madness were strangers foreigners tells Tunisians and other North African in their face that they normally shouldn’t be in Tunisia or North Africa, because it’s a « black land originally » .
That will feed all the racists in the region, as that « madness grows » people reading and speaking only Arabic will hear massively about that (they didn’t until now, that’s why you didn’t notice any big reactions to these lies and false and goofy claims).
That will not go well at all.
@@AliTounes2011 It is also convincing black people in the Western Hemisphere and Europe that they are some monolithic group based on skin color. Ghanans and Ethiopians and Zimbabweans are NOT AT ALL THE SAME PEOPLE, and the Moors, Libyans and Egyptians absolutely are not at all the same people as those others. It is the erasure of history and culture.
Loving this content! Keep it up
Geez... Jugurtha live should be a base for an insane movie or TV show, but yeah Boringwood will give us another Cleopatra or Julius Cesar.
Great video very entertaining
What they say: "Hey, you can't just bribe people!"
What they mean: "Hey, you forgot to bribe me too!"
Jugurtha was not black, neither were the Numidians.
Cordially,
A Tunisian.
Tunisian??
@@mouezziani290
ey naam!
@@nidhal4 no I don't believe so he comes from a long line of algerian royalty the Tunisian royalty were not amazigh as you know
@@mouezziani290 tunisians are also amazigh
@@johncurti1278 not the ruling family they were from phénicien decent
Jurgurtha the King of Bribery and Trickery. A title worthy of him. But he couldn't keep it up forever.
I'm leaving in 24 hours. There's no way you'll get a billion dollars Jack.. That son of a b*tch got fired!
*King Joegurtha of Scranton*
They do the same thing with Hannibal even though we Tunisians know what our history is ourselves, everyone assumes that Berber’s and North Africans are all black because we’re from the continent of Africa, it’s pretty demeaning and racist to be completely honest. To be talked down on by people of another culture saying they know more about your history than your own people do even when we have coins and busts dating back centuries clearly depicting these historical figures. These history channels should take into account the North African perspective and stop treating us as easy pickings to get clicks.
100% agree
He is an american
For him, there is literally only black or white, nothing else, they are very limited mentally and culturally
I just cancelled my Patreon for them over this. Even AFTER they received this same backlash over the first video depicting them as black, they doubled-down. Most of their research team are absolutely awful historians incapable of setting aside their extreme socio-political biases. A couple of them are quite good, and unfortunately get largely ignored it seems (as I have been despite having more experience in history than half of the team).
@@Nick-hi9gx I'm pretty sure the assets were drawn and colorized before the first video was released, you don't improvise those kinds of series ^^
But I still agree they should not represent Numidians as black, I don't know who started that trend ^^'
You are making the assumption that North Africa was not black. The current people's invaded from the Middle East. The people back then were black.
very very nice series
Nice video, but Jugurtha wasn't black, he had olive-light skin tone much like Algerians today.
What is 'black'?
70% Moors - people of Amazigh (Berber) and Arab descent, and 30% non-Arabic speaking Africans: Wolof, Bambara, and Fulas. That is Mauritania today. In ancient times of this documentary, what do you think they looked like prior to Arabs settling there? Have you seen amazingh people? They look just like East Africans who built Egypt. So you think Africans can build Egypt, occupy much of West Africa but somehow stop at moving north?
The stupidity of some people make me laugh.
@@FAVanguard
We are not arabs and we are not black!! We are NORTH AFRICAN CAUCAUSOIDS.
@@FAVanguard there are depictions of jugurtha from that time.
he looks as negroid as a native american does.
@@FAVanguard nope Moors are not Arabs, Wolof, Bambara or Fulas. Try again.
@@NovaDan. loool north African caucasoid. Which part of berbers (amazingh) people are caucasoid? Gtfoh loool
Awesome already another new fantastic video. Really glad I found this channel a while ago, thanks for all the fantastic quality content Invicta!
blackwashing history
Thanks ✨
Jigurtha is the kind of guy that turns bloods vs crips into a worldwide war.
Cool stuff.
Why have you made the Numidians black? They were Berbers.
@@matts7125 There's a difference between darker skin, and west-african black ^^'
And yeah, some Imazighen have lightly-tanned skin, more alike of a southern european, than a west-african ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 they aren't Arab nor white slaves
@@matts7125 Some Amazigh are even blond and ginger. They are tanned white people, bro.
@@matts7125 I don't care.
@@matts7125 look at my pic, I’m neither white nor black. I’m olive skinned and live in Sweden so only during the summer I get more brown. We are darker then Europeans with almost same facial features. We are not sub Saharan black with Bantu features.
Excellent as always. Need I say more.
I am your loyal follower my friends.
How about you betray your friends, if I pay you 50 000 dollars.
Tell your "artists" that Jugurtha WASN'T black.
Detta är en väldigt intressant video.
In my opinion Arminius was far better general who got better results despite being in a worse situation, he managed to unite the scattered Germanic into an organized fighting force, compared to Jugurtha who had the luxury of working with a strong, unified kingdom. He fought the Empire under Augustus, while Jugurtha fought a decaying republic. Yet still Arminius destroyed three entire legions at Teutoburg, and then carried out a seven year long campaign against the Romans, ultimately if not winning, then at least surviving the war; compared to Jugurtha who had a far less impressive initial victory, and exploited Rome's weakness to avoid trouble, then got crushed in a much shorter time when the senate finally got their act together.
Not diminishing Jugurtha's achievements here, but while he may be the better politician, his Germanic counterpart was arguably the better military man.
Edit: Jugurtha was far more comparable to Mithradates in my opinion, being just a few decades apart and in a similar situation of expertly exploiting Rome's political weakness while losing most field battles against the Republic.
Jugurtha would have nearly crushed Marius and Metellus at the Muthul river were it not for his bad infantry which couldn't cope with the Roman one, the same Marius later easily defeated the Cimbri and Tetutons at Aquae Sextiae and Vercellae.
Arminius's Tetutoburg was a classic forest ambush done a million times before him by everyone from the Sumerians to the Boii tribe in Silva Litana, the moment he faced a competant general like Germanicus on an open field he was absolutely destroyed and his army easily scattered despite having a numerical and technical advantage.
Performing hit-and-run tactics in a dense forest that limits Roman maneuverability has advantages over the terrain Jugurtha fought on.
Haha, good god no. Arminius won an ambush, then lost every battle and got assassinated. He didn't destry three entire legions, of the ~13000 Romans at Teutoberg over 5,000 made it back. MANY became evocati in the coming wars, re-enlisting to get revenge. He then got his people, and the allied tribes, beaten to shit so badly they wouldn't revolt again until the Marcomanic Wars, remaining client states of Rome for over 150 years.
Arminuis was just a pathetic treator, i always felt sad for Varus tbh, comparing Jugurtha to Arminius is an insult to our king.
You are right, Jugurtha would not have had a chance against a strong Roman army. Arminius was a genius to catch them out of battle formation, and by gathering the barbarians together.
Oh god. Not you too
Jughurta wasn’t black
Sources say he was
@@uniuni8855 wakanda water sources you mean
@@uniuni8855no they didn’t
He was Russian
@@GeorgeMwandia no he was North African Berber
Jugurtha is the kind of guy who grinds for gil on lesser mobs, then uses Bribe on all the superbosses.
Just a point jugurtha was north african he wasn't black (from a berber from north africa)
Wlh tnaket ya rabak
Why are you colonising Tifinagh culture by showing a black man as king Jugurtha
Wait ?? You are a channel promoting History, and I enjoyed your videos until now. But did you just depicted Jugurtha as a sub-saharan black ?
Because if it is so, it’s entirely wrong, the People of North Africa, were not, and Are not blacks, there are black sub saharan minorities whose ancestors came and were brought up, but we never were black. Whether we are from Berber (the autochton people speaking an afri asiatic language loosely related to semitic languages such as Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic etc), Arab or other origins. The vast majority of North Africans have Middle Eastern-Mediterranean facial features, with a minority of blacks and a minority of very white.
I write this because even if I am not a Berber originally, I am tired of Black washing and people trying to steal our History, know that between North Africa, and the lands inhabited by Black African, there is a 2000 km desert, very difficult to cross before the invention of modern means of transportation, bearing any mass migrations, mass demographics that sub-saharan Africa never had, due to its tropical, equatorial climate, adding the 2000km of arid, dry, hostile desert.
I am tired to read articles and people telling me that I don’t belong to my country Tunisia, which by the way was called Africa until the 17th century, when people used to refer to « Africans » or « Africa » before that time, they meant Tunisia and our forefathers. In a way as a Tunisian, if I was a douche, I could say that I am even more African than all Africans. Wake up people, Africa isn’t just Black, and Black peoples in Africa have there own great History. Black skin is not an identity, there are no « Blacks » or Africans, there is different countries, Nations, Peoples, Cultures, Languages, Ethnicities who differ greatly with one another. As for North Africa, our History is mostly Mediterranean-Eastern.
I am sorry if I may seems a bit salty, but I am sick, of reading things and people telling me that in the order of things I shouldn’t be in my country, that I don’t belong here, while I was born there, lived in it, love it, by all ways possible, and strongly identify with its Land, Light, Sea, Air, Beauty, Sun, History, Greatness. And seeing a black Jugurtha, in fact implies and support the pseudo afrocentric racist thesis of a Black North Africa. Now know, Carthaginians were not black, Hannibal was not Black, Ancient Egypt was not black except for the 25th dynasty, Cleopatra was not Black, Jugurtha was not black, Berbers were not and are not Black, Arabs were not and are not Black, Ottomans were not Black, Romans were not Black, Andalusians, Moors, Greek, Italian, Balkanic renegates brought to North Africa were not black. I cited all the possible peoples that melted and mixed in North Africa.
Thank you and please excuse me for that moment. I intend no disrespect at all.
You talking to people who think only white or black exist
@@AB-fr2ei They are unbearable !
@@AB-fr2ei Americans tend to have a binary idea of race. Calling Black people "African American" has further cemented Americans' imprecision.
Yeah, it's quite annoying that this American black/white bull💩 gets projected on other parts of the world that have nothing to do with it.
In a way it's kind of an appropriaton of other people's culture and history.
There are black people and also different ethnicities and nations of black just like everyone else. A lot of Taureg berbers are black africans, arab aint a race and there are black Arabs. Subsaharan africa is not a separate continent and people live in the sahara, a number of countries that have a black majority. There were Black Moors as well as Non- black moors. But yes blacks are a minority in the countries that directly touch the mediterranean. You say" the people of North Africa are not black" and then directly refute yourself in the same paragraph by saying North Africa "has a black minority".
“Bribed his way out of a bribery trial.”
*Gigachad meme*
Jagurtha was not black. Sorry
You made a mistake by portraying Jagurtha as a sub-saharan African. He was a Berber.
Berber are not arab
@@cudanmang_theog Berber are not sub Saharan Africans.
@@cudanmang_theogyeah and berbers are caucasian+ berbers are cousins with arabs both are afro-asiatic not black
@@cudanmang_theog Nobody mentioned Arabs except you.
10:20 His army`s time honored weapon of choice.
Well done! Marius would cut his teeth on the campaigns.
i use too love your videos
Great content. BUT...no offence, the video's title makes a poor analogy. The Roman disaster at Teutoburg precipitated a complete change in military policy for the Early Principate. The Battle of Suthul was a setback, but the territory was eventually turned into a province and would be a stalwart part of the Empire for 400 years. But I get it, more "clickable."
But number of Romans killed, assuming you take the face value of the Roman writers, it was basically the same as Teutoburg. I mean none of the contemporaries called it that (obviously) but just in the casualties they report vs what Varus is said to have lost it's basically the same. Of course after losing between 20K to 30K depending on which Roman historian you asked (probably on the lower end of that estimate), the Romans wouldn't give up Africa. Africa. Sicily, Campania, and Egypt were the breadbaskets of the Roman Empire so letting it go would be foolish, they needed either direct control or at least a client kingdom there.
Jugurtha would have made an excellent Ferengi
I've been watching your videos for quite some time now and I really do enjoy them!
I'd like to make a suggestion about audio, specifically your voice overs- I would recommond investing on some acoustic sound isolation and a condenser mic (which will be set up pretty much right in front of your face), a pop filter and decent audio interface with preamps & phantom power to complement the micropone. Your voicing work is great with good use of voice inflections, pauses and so fourth, but the fact that the audio sounds very "roomy" (ambient plate reverb) detracts from your otherwise clear and concise speech.
If you are living in a temporary living space, the sound isolation panels can be attached to poster boards which are subsequently attached with 3m tape (or something similar) which can be easily removed and provide a non permanent flexible soultion. Free resources are avaible for best practices for isolating reverb, but a good practice is any large flat surfaces should have sound deadening, such as large open walls and ceilings, and sound traps placed in corners to prevent sound reflecting around the room.
Just my two cents on the subject and I hope it is something you may consider in the future.
Again, thanks for all the quality content.
WE WUZ NUMIDIANS N SHEEIT
We wuz Hannibalz and Cleopatraz
They weren't Arab to be honest, they were black at first
@@cudanmang_theog Mansa musa was a pale white man
@@cudanmang_theogoriginal berbers werent black also..you overestimate the arab conquest arabs didnt mix that much with outside of arabian peninsula..also the idea of arabs vanishing an intire race from earth is very stupid i dont know how you believe it
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Jugurtha would've been a great Roman emperor.
14:59 a roman fort in the ocean???
Hey, how are you expected to beat the navy otherwise? :p
Joke aside, I don't know if it's a really badly colorized desert, or supposed to be an island, but it's true that it's a strange image ^^'
The hidden weapon of Marius, the army of Poseidon
What a fantastic video! ⚔🔥🙌
2:55 The Roman Fillabuster
Jugurtha was not black you frauds
Invicta is SO inclusive, they travelled 2100years back in time and turned Jugurtha black.
Very woke, such accomplishment
Jugurtha the first Teflon Don.
There was another huge ambush defeat vs the Lusitani where they forced Romans off a cliff but i cant remember the name
Marius enters the chat….
Jugurtha leaves the chat…
Why would you even picture Jugurtha as a black person? He was not. Not only any depiction of his time proves it, but north africans do not look like that nowadays and genetic study proves they always looked the way they do nowadays. The last migrations dates from about 10,000 years. Stop stealing north african history and culture for your own twisted political beliefs. I liked this channel and I really hope you won't keep up with that kind of racist depiction.
Jugurtha looks nothing like his busts or coins. Way to go erasing the indigenous people of North Africa. These guys have suffered under Punic, Egyptian, Roman, Arab, Turkish and Colonial rule who sought to erase them from history. Berbers are still second class citizens in their own native land and you are contributing to this by this video. Shameful.
whatever way you want to put it north africans NEVER looked black. Only people trying to steal and appropriate others culture are african americans
I am a amazigh and we are not black
No you're not.
Whe arr not black we had black slaves @@Jay-ho9io
I have a book coming out dec 2023 about this man
So basically Jugurtha was Saul Goodman
Where the hell is this guy getting his money to bribe Rome?
I'm leaving in 24 hours. There's no way you'll get a billion dollars Jack.. That son of a b*tch got fired!
*King Joegurtha of Scranton*
Jugurtha’s allies were the OG fillibusters
Knowing the Romans, I'm genuinely astonished that the army wasn't decimated.
By this point in history, decimation was almost completely gone. It was extremely rare by the Late Republic.
@@Nick-hi9gx I didn't realize. One could see that as a parallel to the moral decline on display here. Not to advocate for mass murder, mind.
@@Archangelm127 Well, it was more that they had figured out that more often than energizing the troops by shaming them, it broke their loyalty to their commander. For instance, during the Marian-Sullan Civil War, Cinna (Marius' successor of sorts) was about to order a decimation of one of his legions because they refused to fight against Sullan forces, so they killed Cinna. Many then joined Sulla. When Lucius Licinius Lucullus almost decimated his forces in Anatolia for losing to Tigranes' men and then turning a bit mutinous, he realized that would sap their morale, so instead he had a fustuarium, like a mini-decimation of the leaders of the mutinous sentiment. Basically, people being beaten to death by their colleagues, but not at random, not every 10 people, but targeted at ringleaders. A much more effective practice in most cases.
I was also expecting each time he said that the army was taken back in hand "and ordered a decimation" XD
But now that I think about it, it's true that when Crassus did it during the Servile Wars, everyone was shocked that he would reinstate such a dated punishment ^^
Salutation from algeria the land of numide
Not black numide
Why blackwashing Numidian who were Berbers ?
The first guy was not the Bestia man for the job.
ivictia gotta get guidelines and get rules because they know themselves they inaccurately potray jurgurtha for their own reasoning instead of a historical ones. some clowns
I thought Berbers weren’t black 🧐
WHERE IS THE NEXT EPISODE??
Not needed tbh
you're still painting them blacks
Wait I thought a Roman camp was never overrun by a foreign foe 😱
Teutoburg is the European Suthul
Jugurtha learned under Scipio.
Thanks for another good video
Jugurtha was such an interesting chapo.
I'm leaving in 24 hours. There's no way you'll get a billion dollars Jack.. That son of a b*tch got fired!
*King Joegurtha of Scranton*
Another Mandalorian Video Please
Jugurtha was not sub-Saharan African and not dark skinned or black but rather he was an Amazigh or Berber.
i like your vids but i don't understand why you depict jugurtha and the other numidians as black , even though there are clear depictions of him from taht time that invalid your depiction of him.
even depicting him as deeply dark skinned is innacurate , as he was no moor (in other words a western berber , the ones that their name translates to black) or a gaetuli.
can i know the reason why you do this ?
It’s the same as what they did with Cleopatra. I hate to say it, but black people have no history, so they decide to steal other people’s history. Someone has to say it.
He is american, thats why 😂
@@AB-fr2ei I take exception to this. I'm American, and am greatly bothered by this historical inaccuracy.
@@LegalSC Too many Americans worships blacks, its their religion.
Moor doesn't mean black, moor is taken from the original word "maure/mauri", the mauri people are the people of the kingdom of Mauretania in nowadays Morocco, it is said that the name Mauretania has punic roots and it means the western land, just like the name of Morocco today in arabic, arabs call Morocco "Al-maghreb" which literally means the west.
Thank you very much ❤
love the content amazing as usual from a talented and educated content creator. Will you make a video on roman slavery versus slavery in modern times, since the topic of slavery as always been brought up in your videos but never have I seen a full video dedicated to it.
buying senators. That practice is still around today.
Jugurtha wasn't black...
The bribe god.
Nice history, but it would be good to list your primary sources. If it was an opinionated historian like Tacitus, it could well be that he was exaggerating the bribery to drive home his point about the corruption of Rome. It does seem hard to believe that a desert king would have all this wealth to make extensive bribes.
Oh look, Roman army composed of Ligurians and Thracians...yet these are not labeled as mercenaries . Only when Carthage uses other ethnic groups they are "mercenaries".
Humor in antiquity..