You make the best content dude. I love your opening and I enjoy every view point you make on games. My most favourite is definitely the Megaman and Street Fighter comics made by Malibu itself. You deserve a lot of subscribers my guy.
As we lad I actually had the Tiger Electronics game. It was my introduction to Metal Gear. And stayed my only reference point for the franchise until MGS came out on the PS1. If IRC it was a little more complicated than just space invaders. You had various types of weapons and had to use the appropriate one on the different enemies (goons, tanks, Metal Gear) You also had to collect keycards that would progress you to fighting the Metal Gear. Once you encountered Metal Gear the screen cleared of every other enemy and then you had to dodge different attacks and use the rocket launcher to defeat it. Once you did that it recycled back to the beginning. The location of keycards, health, ammo, etc was random each time. As it'd have to be. That is all I remember from it.
Ha ha you got further than me and my brother. We both had the game and could never figure out how to beat the tanks. We loved the calling button. If you pressed it randomly youd just hear snake go, "this is snake are you okay?" For some reason this made me and my brother laugh.
Yeah, you pretty much got it. It was actually an amped up version of Terminator. The enemies were in certain positions, and the weapons only hit certain positions... so depending on where they were you had to move to an spot, change your weapon, and shoot, or wait for them to move certain places where another weapon would hit. This is kind of what a lot of Tiger games did... combinations of screen position and correct button. I kinda remember plastic explosive being used to open doors for certain things too.
@@dtrainacomin I think you're right about the c4. I remember you went down a hallway and sometimes there would be a room on the side but youd need to do something to enter. When you'd enter the room you'd get ammo or a ration. I have to be honest we were really young when I played this so neither of us knew how to get very far. We would always get killed by the tank. You know I'm kind of interested now I'll see if my brother still has the thing. He might we loved it as a kid.
Those tiger electronics games were never very good, however they were always so fun to get as a kid. The packaging was always so beautiful and even if the game wasn't that good back then it was still amazing to us kids.
So I got curious and looked up Charles B Ernst. Amazingly, he went on to have a real career, apparently spending years at Midway / Netherrealm. He's got art-related credits on virtually every Mortal Kombat game for over a decade, from Deadly Alliance to MK X, plus various other things. Although Metal Gear DOS is the last time he's credited as a programmer. Guess he found his true calling.
@@liveyourdreammedia the story behind why a single person ends up doing a whole port by themselves is often really interesting. I remember watching a video where the programmer for the 3DO version of Doom talked about how the person who purchased the rights for the platform just didn't understand how software functioned and she had to build the entire game from scratch using the Jaguar version as a reference in a couple of months in order to meet the deadline.
I remember that article. She worked herself to death trying to get the 3DO version to a state of being at least playable. She also hired some local band out of her pocket to do the music
7:02 Fun fact; that's also happened in NES version as well, where you can go out and back in to get the item over and over. Not sure about MSX, though but I surely remember did the same as well. Gotta stack up those rations and ammos!
I just recently finished the MSX version they have on GOG, and I can confirm it can be done on it. I think the game was built around this because I feel like it would be too hard not to do it, but maybe I'm just a scrub. Nice thumbnail, BTW.
Growing up with the C64, this version would probably be too hard of a game for me but, I must admit, having NES style games on the platforms - and kinda complex, like this - is a rarity, I'm seriously impressed! (and i didn't even know it existed)
Considering Kojima didn't have anything to do with the NES port and - reportedly - wasn't happy with it because of all the changes from the MSX original, I doubt he'd be able to help you there.
Without any further info I would just assume that they went in as a team, and the rest died or had other jobs on the mission. After all, at that point we had no idea what was coming in any future games, and I bet neither did Kojima. In some way every MGS part is a perfect ending to the story.
very nice and man Metal Gear 1 just gets all the love XD sort of surprised there wasn't a few more Metal Gear 2 again thanks for covering the unknown titles as well as the commercial at the end. great job
Makes sense that the C64 version was based off the NES port rather than the MSX original, since they had similar processors. Of course, the NES was a bit more capable, but having a similar cpu is probably why the C64 version has the gameplay mostly intact.
these ports are rarly based on teh orignal code, I don't know this for sure but refrencing the NES edition would just be easier for most as MSX's were super uncommon in North America
That was awesome! I didn't know about Metal Gear being on N-Gage 2.0 and almost freaked when you said N-Gage cus of the one I have lol. Always love seeing the weirdness that is spin-offs and bootlegs :)
Acid was a solid spin off game, I'm not the hugest fan of deck based games but it worked well, and the turn based stuff was a nice touch. Ghost Babel is cool too, really wished we got another top down pre-solid MG game
Didn't know there was an MGS for the N-Gage, that's pretty neat! There was also one I remember playing on an LG ENV2 phone called Metal Gear Solid. It's been a long time so it might've been the same game, honestly. It was extremely tough to control but it was pretty fun!
@@st1ka I agree hands down. It's not bad for (allegedly) being developed by one person. I have heard that the MS-DOS version is bugged and wont let you beat it after a certain point. Nice video though, was not expecting to see any of these at all.
@@st1ka Yep. Several essential items are missing, one of the boss battles needed to defeat to get one of the items is bugged and can't be beaten, card 8 is in a room that requires card 8, etc. The C64 has its own critical game-crashing problems that prevent it from being completed at all (any boss screen crashes the game). The developers confirmed this about the C64 version when people called in for tech support, and told them to user a crack software to patch their copy so that it can be played without the crash.
@@st1ka There is/was a fan make too in the works yeah (unless Konami DMCA'd it again) But there definitely was one in development at the time, Unseen 64 has a few pics of it on their site.
It’s so weird how the N-Gage got a lot of well known franchises to put games on it. Metal Gear, Sonic, Tomb Raider, Hell even Elder Scrolls has a game on it. Also jeez imagine being tasked with porting the entirety of Metal Gear by yourself. Can’t imagine that being fun.
That NES-to-C64 port sounds like the easy road for developers, with the similar CPUs... What about Metal Dragon? It's about as legit as "Matel Gear II" ;)
Great video st1ka! I love the NES, I think it’s one of my favorite systems, I would love to see more NES and Famicom videos! Maybe even a video on the dendy
I had the Metal Gear Mobile on Ngage 2.0. There's also a Camera gimmick, you use the camera for camouflage, or simply just change the color of your outfit, whatever color you point it to. It's one of the best games on the platform.
Regarding the DOS game speed, that was normal back in the day. We would use TSRs to slow down the PCs to make such games playable. Not that this makes it good, but not out of the ordinary
And yet we get it occasionally that stuff is still framerate locked. Like that one Need For Speed that ran at 30 fps (for a racing game!) and if you unlocked to 60 everything was at twice the speed. And Bethesda's janky engine has some stuff like physics tied to the framerate. Which is why weird shit happens if you run Skyrim at >60
You know the first and only experience I ever really had with Metal Gear was playing either Metal Gear Solid 1 on the gameboy color and I remember enjoying it because it wasn't as stressful as Pokemon was at the time for me, and it literally made me pay attention to what I was doing. I knew nothing of the story or who the characters were, I was just playing a game where I had to sneak past some enemies in certain stages, shoot up some enemies that were difficult to sneak past and get from point a to point b to point c and complete the levels. I can't remember if i ever beat the game but I remember enjoying it. I remember a friend gave it to me because they thought it was too hard and it was common for me and my friends to trade our games amongst each other so I gave him my Super Mario gbc game (I was never a mario fan...) and he gave me metal gear solid 1 on the gbc.
About the DOS version... I could be wrong, but I don´t think it´s fair to judge it based on how it runs on DOSBOX, it was made for his time, on contemporary equipments.
Master Miller looks like James Labrie. Great video, I had a c64 when most people had the ps1 and n64 and I remember metal gear well. Metal gear solid went on to be my favourite series.
Oh my god I played the hell out of Metal Gear Solid Touch when it came out. It went full Silent Scope before Hitman Sniper Challenge was a thing. You could unlock backgrounds and stuff. It was honestly kinda neat.
At the C64 version you mentioned that 'if you don't live in Japan and didn't have a NES'. I believe you mean the MSX (because of Japan). I can assure you that the MSX wasn't only populair in Japan. MSX was populair in The Netherlands, Brasil and Spain for example. The Netherlands was obvious, because a dutch company called Philips made them also.
@@st1ka I remember that thing you showed me about cga, where you trick it into looking a lot better. I’m guessing this isn’t there. Also, what happened to that Vast Fame fighting game video?
Ah I actually want to the vast fame video next. Originally I wanted to do it in June, but it seems I can't follow a proper schedule no matter how hard I try 😅
I played one of the NES ones when I was like 7 or something. At first I didn't know what the hell I was doing. Selecting the items was different then most games. I remembered that & the bloody maze with the trucks or something take forever.
Fantastic video! I'm a collector of Metal Gear Saga and I have a copy of C64 Metal Gear , the Tiger LCD and the Italian's Retail version of Metal Gear Mobile (but it's an episode of Ac!d Spin-off for old mobile phone aka Nokia 6630,Alcatel etc...not N-Gage) but...well..now i want a copy of Taiwan game 😅
fyi, a lot of DOS PC's in the 80's/90's had a "turbo" button that slowed down the cpu so software that relied on the cpu's frequency for timing could be used as intended.
Once upon a time i played the Commodore version. Pfooo ...... if someone says that Nes version it's a very bad and awful version. Ohh, they don't know anything about.
I would like to add that in 2004, both Metal gear 1 and 2 had mobile ports released in japan, wich were used as a base for MGS3 subsistance's versions of those games. MG1's mobile port saw an international release in 2008. Currently both MG2 mobile and japanese MG1 mobile are considered lost.
@@st1ka Yeah, they were released for I-mode devices. Luckily theres been kind of a push towards the preservation of I-mode, so hopefully once a way to dump those games is found, someone that has the MG ones comes out.
@@sgoc9499 yeah I've heard a lot of phone games were lost to time. I had a fire emblem-like tactics game for my old Nokia phone but I was never able to see it again :(
@@st1ka I will, gonna pop a few beers and smoke a few herbal cigarettes. just upgraded my cpu and motherboard + ram cause it was pretty outdated for some games waiting for me so if the weather stays this way I will be all set for the weekend :D
Games that run too dependent on the processor speed weren't usually so much of a problem back in the day. Because you know what's slower than the processor back in the day? Writes to the graphics card. Of course it only wasn't a problem for a very short time, until it was. I think Dosbox has VGA write waitstate emulation though. Might be worth a shot. As it is Dosbox timings just never make sense, graphics card writes take zero time, and none of the instructions or memory accesses have realistic timing, like usually it's simply one instruction per cycle, which might as well be the behaviour model of an AMD K5, except K5 is usually stalled completely waiting for RAM, and DOSBox never has to do that.
I am sure that metal gear for DOS in CGA mode use the second palette with yellow, green and red ,but the dosbox for some reason pick the standard palette instead with a cyan, magenta and white.
That NGAGE 2.0 game was awesome and has a crazy ending IIRC. The RE6 Game was also fun but they are both very short. There was also an awesome puzzle game on the service with these bootleg game franchise characters, like a drunk Mario-esque guy, I don't remember the details of that game much, just that it was fun. Those 3 plus a cool detective point and click game are all I remember, I used the service on an N95, loved that phone. Probably gave me Rsi playing these games though lol. Might still have it in my junk box, battery would be well dead though I assume.
As an MS-DOS gamer and Metal Gear fan, boy I'm sure glad I never stumbled upon that release! While commendable as a one man effort, it makes Mega Man DOS look amazing by comparison. Although, I would have liked to have played the N-Gage 2.0 version of Metal Gear Solid Mobile back in the day. I would have put up with the twister fingers trying to control it on phone buttons.
The problem with msdos ports of many popular games is that most Japanese devs like konami did not make games for it because it was not popular in japan so they out sourced it to these tiny western companies with no standards it could have been good if it was made by konami.
@@belstar1128 to be fair, most japanese devs were awful at making PC games as well. Konami and Capcom's ports of PS1 and PS2 games were awful and those were down in-house AFAIK
@@st1ka Yea but that was later on in the 8bit and 16bit age they had a lot of good games on the pc98 and Msx and sharpx68000 but these platforms where not popular internationally but in the late 90s and 2000s Japan became focused on console gaming so ports from that era are bad only in the last few years is PC gaming becoming more popular.
@@belstar1128 I believe those systems didn't have as many hardware variations as Western IBM compatible PCs. If I remember correctly, the vast variety of components was why many Japanese devs didn't like to port their games to Windows for example ^^
@@st1ka well to say it pays more attention than mgs3 is kind of an unfair exaggeration because mgs3 was obviously operating under the technical limitations of the ps2 where a lot of smaller details would have just been pointlessly lost to the 360p resolution, but the pachislot machine for some reason had incredible attention paid to details in the concept art from things like the numbers on soldiers tags to the serial numbers on guns being fully modeled in. The common joke is that because it’s Konami they cared more about the development of the stupid slot machine than they did about the remaster lol
I mean you don't have to technically play the games in stealth. Half of the fun I had in MGS1-3 was just messing around, since there was so much fun stuff you could do, like trapping venomous snakes and then throwing them on enemies.
The original Gameboy had the double dragon games and Battletoads. The GBA had final fight and double dragon. On the Gameboy color though... I can't think of anything
Wow I did not know any of those Tiger Electronics games had speech that is pretty high tech there. xD And it was cool to see the different Metal Gear Sollid games. :)
Well, there were more mobile *Metal Gear* games (eh-hem, the JAVA ones) you haven't noted, like the faithful port of the original game (btw, that's how I was properly introduced to the series itself in the first place. Before that I've only seen some blurry grayish screenshots of *MGS4* and wasn't really that much amazed by those) known as *"Metal Gear Classic"* and two ports (?) of the *Metal Gear Acid* spin-off series. But wait, there were MORE than three games 'cause the later two were released both in 2D (top-down view,sprites etc.) and in 3D (pre-rendered backgrounds,3D models instead of sprites etc.) editions. So there you have it ^, ^
@@st1ka you setting your machine to 'Tandy' on everything you can?i literally have a video on my channel where im setting my machine (a Pi3) to Tandy 1000 mode, where it can run around between the 1000 RL to 1000 RLX\RSX in ability. also it has a 'throttle' in DosBox (Ctrl+F11/F12 to increase/decrease cycles or speed in Dosbox, but use a video someone has already done to judge correct speed (the CGA Wheel Of Fortune's intro theme is in time with the tv show at the time so it's one good gauge).
SNAKE'S REVENGE on the nes is one of my top10 best nes games of all time, i just had to share this, such a good game that was way ahead of it's time, amazing music also.
@@st1ka it was my intro to the series, so i thank it for that, and i had nothing else to compare it to, also the game was the first ''think outside the box'' kinda games for me, and i loved that, having to do weird and complex things, it was great and i loved it a lot, and i still do, people just love to hate, like the Final fantasy mystic quest, it was my first FF game and made me a fan.
@@st1ka it was pretty cool; yknow for a Tiger Handheld. Pretty sure my Grandma got it for me despite my bro and I not having any Castlevania games yet. We sure played the crap out of SotN later on; but at the time it was a bit of a surprise. If I recall the Tiger one was called or subtitled Simon's Quest.
Another horrible DOS port (back in the day), was Mortal Kombat. It was so broken out of the box to the point when I called the publisher, they offered me a patch to be sent in the mail. Like 2 weeks later, i got the 3.5" floppy in the mail and it did fix most of the bugs, but it still played like crap. I had a decent Pentium 1 at the time. I believe it was the 133mhz. So much simpler back then.
Am I the only one who would love to see a fan take on a Metal Gear port of the MSX game on the SEGA Genesis/Mega-Drive? Shouldn't be too difficult, especially w/today's dev tools.
No way I have to play that Nokia metal gear. I played that Nokia resident evil and it played great on a relatives phone and considering how janky the control scheme was at that time it actually worked on the phone.
I never knew that Metal Gear was on the C64. I guess it makes sense that it came on the MSX 2,but looking at it just tell that this one is from the NES. Last but not least a bootleg version of it. Of course you’ll save it for the best for last.
Wasn't there a metal gear solid social social game that was on the phone as well thorn is well. Roughly around the time of metal gear solid 3 I believe
I might be wrong, but the Pachislotmachines aren't even made by third-party studios they are made by Konami themself, or at least by a subsidiary of them
@@st1ka Duel - Metal Gear Solid: Mobile [OST RIP] Also the boss itself is pretty neat. Spoilers for a 15 year old mobile game but the entire thing is a VR simulation, and as you lower the boss' health the area starts flickering between "real" and VR.
@@st1ka Well, I am guessing that was their way to make it "canonical" with the main series, although the fact that it's all in VR is a plot point that's revealed later on.
@@Halbared from what I understand the NES was a quick and dirty port. The control scheme for example is super confusing. The newly added jungle sections are pretty weak as well. And if I remember correctly, in the NES version, metal gear is just a computer, not a giant mech
how can we play these mobile games, like the last Metal Gear you mentioned on the Nokia? There were some only mobile Tomb Raiders that would sweet to play as well!
Man, I'm a connoisseur of shit games myself. And I didn't know about the ngage 2.0 version of metal gear. Actually looks decent, though. And that tiger handheld would have had me hooked back in the day. I like games many other people can't stand.
All of those ports of the original Metal Gear, except for the NES one were all fan made. Not official. So yes, not everyone heard about them as they are not relevant.
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You make the best content dude. I love your opening and I enjoy every view point you make on games. My most favourite is definitely the Megaman and Street Fighter comics made by Malibu itself. You deserve a lot of subscribers my guy.
@@Mankey619 thank you! I try :D
@@st1ka I considered it, then I subbed. Would have just skipped the first step, but I felt like you asked so nicely.
Haha thank you
What is the music used at 1:39?
As we lad I actually had the Tiger Electronics game. It was my introduction to Metal Gear. And stayed my only reference point for the franchise until MGS came out on the PS1. If IRC it was a little more complicated than just space invaders. You had various types of weapons and had to use the appropriate one on the different enemies (goons, tanks, Metal Gear) You also had to collect keycards that would progress you to fighting the Metal Gear. Once you encountered Metal Gear the screen cleared of every other enemy and then you had to dodge different attacks and use the rocket launcher to defeat it. Once you did that it recycled back to the beginning. The location of keycards, health, ammo, etc was random each time. As it'd have to be. That is all I remember from it.
Ah thank you for that. All I had to go on was a video with just gameplay so it was hard to follow
Ha ha you got further than me and my brother. We both had the game and could never figure out how to beat the tanks. We loved the calling button. If you pressed it randomly youd just hear snake go, "this is snake are you okay?" For some reason this made me and my brother laugh.
Yeah, you pretty much got it. It was actually an amped up version of Terminator. The enemies were in certain positions, and the weapons only hit certain positions... so depending on where they were you had to move to an spot, change your weapon, and shoot, or wait for them to move certain places where another weapon would hit. This is kind of what a lot of Tiger games did... combinations of screen position and correct button.
I kinda remember plastic explosive being used to open doors for certain things too.
@@dtrainacomin I think you're right about the c4. I remember you went down a hallway and sometimes there would be a room on the side but youd need to do something to enter. When you'd enter the room you'd get ammo or a ration. I have to be honest we were really young when I played this so neither of us knew how to get very far. We would always get killed by the tank. You know I'm kind of interested now I'll see if my brother still has the thing. He might we loved it as a kid.
Those tiger electronics games were never very good, however they were always so fun to get as a kid. The packaging was always so beautiful and even if the game wasn't that good back then it was still amazing to us kids.
So I got curious and looked up Charles B Ernst. Amazingly, he went on to have a real career, apparently spending years at Midway / Netherrealm. He's got art-related credits on virtually every Mortal Kombat game for over a decade, from Deadly Alliance to MK X, plus various other things. Although Metal Gear DOS is the last time he's credited as a programmer. Guess he found his true calling.
Damn that's kind of awesome! I wish I could interview him ^^
Good stuff, still considering it was a one man job, i've seen way worse.
Yep agreed
@@liveyourdreammedia the story behind why a single person ends up doing a whole port by themselves is often really interesting.
I remember watching a video where the programmer for the 3DO version of Doom talked about how the person who purchased the rights for the platform just didn't understand how software functioned and she had to build the entire game from scratch using the Jaguar version as a reference in a couple of months in order to meet the deadline.
I remember that article. She worked herself to death trying to get the 3DO version to a state of being at least playable.
She also hired some local band out of her pocket to do the music
The MS-DOS version should just be called Metal Gear: Peace Walkers! The enemies are that peaceful.
Haha yep
7:02
Fun fact; that's also happened in NES version as well, where you can go out and back in to get the item over and over.
Not sure about MSX, though but I surely remember did the same as well. Gotta stack up those rations and ammos!
Oh whoops 😅
you can just use the radio & farm items. leaving the room is overrated
Haha that's hilarious
This is literally the exact same in the MSX version; items like rations and ammo will always respawn when you re-enter a room.
I just recently finished the MSX version they have on GOG, and I can confirm it can be done on it. I think the game was built around this because I feel like it would be too hard not to do it, but maybe I'm just a scrub. Nice thumbnail, BTW.
Growing up with the C64, this version would probably be too hard of a game for me but, I must admit, having NES style games on the platforms - and kinda complex, like this - is a rarity, I'm seriously impressed! (and i didn't even know it existed)
It's a pretty decent port too ^^
I once asked Hideo Kojima "who dis? who dat?" and the mystery of the additional parachutes remains unsolved.
Who are who dis and who dat? The world may never know..
Considering Kojima didn't have anything to do with the NES port and - reportedly - wasn't happy with it because of all the changes from the MSX original, I doubt he'd be able to help you there.
Without any further info I would just assume that they went in as a team, and the rest died or had other jobs on the mission.
After all, at that point we had no idea what was coming in any future games, and I bet neither did Kojima. In some way every MGS part is a perfect ending to the story.
very nice and man Metal Gear 1 just gets all the love XD sort of surprised there wasn't a few more Metal Gear 2
again thanks for covering the unknown titles as well as the commercial at the end. great job
Glad you liked it :D
Makes sense that the C64 version was based off the NES port rather than the MSX original, since they had similar processors. Of course, the NES was a bit more capable, but having a similar cpu is probably why the C64 version has the gameplay mostly intact.
Yep that makes sense. The commodore 64 version runs a bit slower but it's not bad
these ports are rarly based on teh orignal code, I don't know this for sure but refrencing the NES edition would just be easier for most as MSX's were super uncommon in North America
That was awesome! I didn't know about Metal Gear being on N-Gage 2.0 and almost freaked when you said N-Gage cus of the one I have lol.
Always love seeing the weirdness that is spin-offs and bootlegs :)
Glad you enjoyed it :D
Acid was a solid spin off game, I'm not the hugest fan of deck based games but it worked well, and the turn based stuff was a nice touch. Ghost Babel is cool too, really wished we got another top down pre-solid MG game
Yeah I really enjoyed ghost babel. I never played acid because I'm not into card games ^^
Didn't know there was an MGS for the N-Gage, that's pretty neat! There was also one I remember playing on an LG ENV2 phone called Metal Gear Solid. It's been a long time so it might've been the same game, honestly. It was extremely tough to control but it was pretty fun!
Oh interesting, I'll have to check that out :D
I don't hate the MS-DOS version, I think the "cutscenes" add an unique touch to it. I still want to play it and the C64 versions one day
To be fair I did not hate the MS-Dos version. It's fun as a quirky variation, but only because we have better versions available ^^
@@st1ka I agree hands down. It's not bad for (allegedly) being developed by one person. I have heard that the MS-DOS version is bugged and wont let you beat it after a certain point.
Nice video though, was not expecting to see any of these at all.
@@blackhawk65589 oh wow you can't beat the game? Ouch
@@st1ka Yep. Several essential items are missing, one of the boss battles needed to defeat to get one of the items is bugged and can't be beaten, card 8 is in a room that requires card 8, etc. The C64 has its own critical game-crashing problems that prevent it from being completed at all (any boss screen crashes the game). The developers confirmed this about the C64 version when people called in for tech support, and told them to user a crack software to patch their copy so that it can be played without the crash.
I love the part when Solid Snake yelled "ST1KAAAAAAAAA!" during the final boss battle.😭🙏
Such an emotional moment 😥
Geez that Tiger Electronics advert would have legit worked on me if I saw it as a kid
Yep. I actually owned a tiger R-zone as a kid because of how good the commercials were
There's a nearly completed port of Metal Gear for the Amiga discovered fairley recently too!
Oh I've heard about that but I assumed it was a new game made by fans. So it was an official port that was cancelled?
@@st1ka There is/was a fan make too in the works yeah (unless Konami DMCA'd it again)
But there definitely was one in development at the time, Unseen 64 has a few pics of it on their site.
Ah I see. So the one I saw was the fanmade game. I'll have to check out the cancelled one. Thank you :D
@@st1ka i cant seem to find it on the site atm, but it does exist.
@@Larry Oh no worries. I'm sure with a little elbow grease I can find something about it ^^
Ah Tiger Electronic, the way your parents had to tell you they didn't love you without saying they didn't love you.
Hahaha
It’s so weird how the N-Gage got a lot of well known franchises to put games on it. Metal Gear, Sonic, Tomb Raider, Hell even Elder Scrolls has a game on it.
Also jeez imagine being tasked with porting the entirety of Metal Gear by yourself. Can’t imagine that being fun.
Indeed the Ngage had some definite potential. But sadly much of it was squandered
That NES-to-C64 port sounds like the easy road for developers, with the similar CPUs...
What about Metal Dragon? It's about as legit as "Matel Gear II" ;)
Oh man, I didn't even think of that. I should have included a reference to metal dragon xD
Great video st1ka! I love the NES, I think it’s one of my favorite systems, I would love to see more NES and Famicom videos! Maybe even a video on the dendy
Ah I can't really do videos on the dendy because I can't research it. I don't speak Russian:P
3:36 The C64 theme reminds me of Razor's theme from the Maniac Mansion NES version.
wow I didn't notice that, but it kinda does.
I had the Metal Gear Mobile on Ngage 2.0. There's also a Camera gimmick, you use the camera for camouflage, or simply just change the color of your outfit, whatever color you point it to.
It's one of the best games on the platform.
Damn that's a pretty awesome feature
Regarding the DOS game speed, that was normal back in the day. We would use TSRs to slow down the PCs to make such games playable.
Not that this makes it good, but not out of the ordinary
Oh I know. I had a 386 IBM PC back in the day xD
And yet we get it occasionally that stuff is still framerate locked. Like that one Need For Speed that ran at 30 fps (for a racing game!) and if you unlocked to 60 everything was at twice the speed.
And Bethesda's janky engine has some stuff like physics tied to the framerate. Which is why weird shit happens if you run Skyrim at >60
You know the first and only experience I ever really had with Metal Gear was playing either Metal Gear Solid 1 on the gameboy color and I remember enjoying it because it wasn't as stressful as Pokemon was at the time for me, and it literally made me pay attention to what I was doing. I knew nothing of the story or who the characters were, I was just playing a game where I had to sneak past some enemies in certain stages, shoot up some enemies that were difficult to sneak past and get from point a to point b to point c and complete the levels. I can't remember if i ever beat the game but I remember enjoying it. I remember a friend gave it to me because they thought it was too hard and it was common for me and my friends to trade our games amongst each other so I gave him my Super Mario gbc game (I was never a mario fan...) and he gave me metal gear solid 1 on the gbc.
MGS on the game boy color is such a good game :D
About the DOS version... I could be wrong, but I don´t think it´s fair to judge it based on how it runs on DOSBOX, it was made for his time, on contemporary equipments.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
Also, gotta love those old Tiger handheld commercials. Something so charming about them.
The commercials are great haha
Master Miller looks like James Labrie. Great video, I had a c64 when most people had the ps1 and n64 and I remember metal gear well. Metal gear solid went on to be my favourite series.
Aww that's awesome!
0:10 THIS IS THE ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN
It is :D
7:05 was actually in the other versions of the game (well, at least the MSX and NES versions IIRC)
Yeah that was pretty glaring mistake on my part. Sorry about that
Oh my god I played the hell out of Metal Gear Solid Touch when it came out. It went full Silent Scope before Hitman Sniper Challenge was a thing. You could unlock backgrounds and stuff. It was honestly kinda neat.
Haha that's pretty awesome
St1ka meu caro, eu não conhecia esse mini-game da Tiger Electronics!
Muito obrigado pelo vídeo! Abraço!
Sim, tentei encontrar as coisas mais obscuras que podia pensar xD
At the C64 version you mentioned that 'if you don't live in Japan and didn't have a NES'. I believe you mean the MSX (because of Japan). I can assure you that the MSX wasn't only populair in Japan. MSX was populair in The Netherlands, Brasil and Spain for example. The Netherlands was obvious, because a dutch company called Philips made them also.
Did the msx version of metal gear launch in the west?
@@st1ka It didn't, Konami only released the English version in Europe
Nice video, that Nokia game looks super impressive. I also didn’t know about those pc ports, they look atrocious
The commodore 64 doesn't look bad considering the hardware limitations.
But the MS-DOS port is baaaaad
@@st1ka I remember that thing you showed me about cga, where you trick it into looking a lot better. I’m guessing this isn’t there. Also, what happened to that Vast Fame fighting game video?
Ah I actually want to the vast fame video next. Originally I wanted to do it in June, but it seems I can't follow a proper schedule no matter how hard I try 😅
@@st1ka dont worry, I’m excited for whatever you have in store
@@noaht2005 thank you!! :D
I played one of the NES ones when I was like 7 or something. At first I didn't know what the hell I was doing. Selecting the items was different then most games. I remembered that & the bloody maze with the trucks or something take forever.
Yeah I can imagine 😅
Fantastic video! I'm a collector of Metal Gear Saga and I have a copy of C64 Metal Gear , the Tiger LCD and the Italian's Retail version of Metal Gear Mobile (but it's an episode of Ac!d Spin-off for old mobile phone aka Nokia 6630,Alcatel etc...not N-Gage) but...well..now i want a copy of Taiwan game 😅
sadly the Taiwan game is quite hard to find out in the wild xD
fyi, a lot of DOS PC's in the 80's/90's had a "turbo" button that slowed down the cpu so software that relied on the cpu's frequency for timing could be used as intended.
Oh I know. I grew up with a 386IBM PC ^^
Once upon a time i played the Commodore version. Pfooo ...... if someone says that Nes version it's a very bad and awful version. Ohh, they don't know anything about.
haha so true, but the MS-dos version manages to be the worst one of all
I would like to add that in 2004, both Metal gear 1 and 2 had mobile ports released in japan, wich were used as a base for MGS3 subsistance's versions of those games. MG1's mobile port saw an international release in 2008. Currently both MG2 mobile and japanese MG1 mobile are considered lost.
Damn a shame they're lost to time:(
@@st1ka Yeah, they were released for I-mode devices. Luckily theres been kind of a push towards the preservation of I-mode, so hopefully once a way to dump those games is found, someone that has the MG ones comes out.
@@sgoc9499 yeah I've heard a lot of phone games were lost to time. I had a fire emblem-like tactics game for my old Nokia phone but I was never able to see it again :(
Amazing as usual, the more you know... For better or worse hahaha.
Hope you will have a great weekend my man!
Thank you and you too :D
@@st1ka I will, gonna pop a few beers and smoke a few herbal cigarettes. just upgraded my cpu and motherboard + ram cause it was pretty outdated for some games waiting for me so if the weather stays this way I will be all set for the weekend :D
@@liveyourdreammedia niiiice! Enjoy!
Wow I remember Metal Gear Touch now, this vid unlocked some deep memories for me! Such a barebones kinda game and mostly sprite based...
Yeah it's a little weird
7:01, Uh what? That exact same thing happens in the original MSX version of Metal Gear as well.
Big ups to spiderbutt666!!!!! Terrific video St1ka.
Haha thank you!! :D
Games that run too dependent on the processor speed weren't usually so much of a problem back in the day. Because you know what's slower than the processor back in the day? Writes to the graphics card. Of course it only wasn't a problem for a very short time, until it was.
I think Dosbox has VGA write waitstate emulation though. Might be worth a shot. As it is Dosbox timings just never make sense, graphics card writes take zero time, and none of the instructions or memory accesses have realistic timing, like usually it's simply one instruction per cycle, which might as well be the behaviour model of an AMD K5, except K5 is usually stalled completely waiting for RAM, and DOSBox never has to do that.
Yeah it was really painful to reach a balance for metal gear >_>
@@st1ka Ah, the setting, not sure if it made its way upstream, but in Dosbox-x it's called "vmemdelay"
Ah thank you! ^^
I am sure that metal gear for DOS in CGA mode use the second palette with yellow, green and red ,but the dosbox for some reason pick the standard palette instead with a cyan, magenta and white.
Oh I wouldn't be surprised, but I have no way of testing that :P
@@st1ka if you do not have real PC with CGA .You could try better emulator for PCs I don't remember the name it was something like fake86 or similar
@@intel386DX oh interesting I'll check it out. I wasn't aware of that emulator
@@st1ka in it you can choose the CPU type FPU, Video Card , RAM amount , storage . Fully customizable. 🙃
@@intel386DX oooh interesting!
That NGAGE 2.0 game was awesome and has a crazy ending IIRC. The RE6 Game was also fun but they are both very short. There was also an awesome puzzle game on the service with these bootleg game franchise characters, like a drunk Mario-esque guy, I don't remember the details of that game much, just that it was fun. Those 3 plus a cool detective point and click game are all I remember, I used the service on an N95, loved that phone. Probably gave me Rsi playing these games though lol. Might still have it in my junk box, battery would be well dead though I assume.
Oh man that's awesome! :D
Now I'm checking if there is a Spectrum port
Oh man that would be awesome
I would like to see your detailed review on both Metal Gear for NES. Never played them(beated original MSX games like 7 times each on HD collection).
I might review them in the future ^^
As an MS-DOS gamer and Metal Gear fan, boy I'm sure glad I never stumbled upon that release! While commendable as a one man effort, it makes Mega Man DOS look amazing by comparison. Although, I would have liked to have played the N-Gage 2.0 version of Metal Gear Solid Mobile back in the day. I would have put up with the twister fingers trying to control it on phone buttons.
Yeah those old Nokia phones weren't made for games and it shows
The problem with msdos ports of many popular games is that most Japanese devs like konami did not make games for it because it was not popular in japan so they out sourced it to these tiny western companies with no standards it could have been good if it was made by konami.
@@belstar1128 to be fair, most japanese devs were awful at making PC games as well. Konami and Capcom's ports of PS1 and PS2 games were awful and those were down in-house AFAIK
@@st1ka Yea but that was later on in the 8bit and 16bit age they had a lot of good games on the pc98 and Msx and sharpx68000 but these platforms where not popular internationally but in the late 90s and 2000s Japan became focused on console gaming so ports from that era are bad only in the last few years is PC gaming becoming more popular.
@@belstar1128 I believe those systems didn't have as many hardware variations as Western IBM compatible PCs. If I remember correctly, the vast variety of components was why many Japanese devs didn't like to port their games to Windows for example ^^
I’ll have you know that pachislot pays more attention to concept art than the actual game
Oh, how so?
@@st1ka well to say it pays more attention than mgs3 is kind of an unfair exaggeration because mgs3 was obviously operating under the technical limitations of the ps2 where a lot of smaller details would have just been pointlessly lost to the 360p resolution, but the pachislot machine for some reason had incredible attention paid to details in the concept art from things like the numbers on soldiers tags to the serial numbers on guns being fully modeled in.
The common joke is that because it’s Konami they cared more about the development of the stupid slot machine than they did about the remaster lol
@@jasonbarry3301 oh xD
I loved the Acid games most, not into stealth at all. I've beaten 2 and 3 I think on Vita.
I've actually never played the acid games 😅
I mean you don't have to technically play the games in stealth. Half of the fun I had in MGS1-3 was just messing around, since there was so much fun stuff you could do, like trapping venomous snakes and then throwing them on enemies.
@@Gatorade69 I really feel like playing through the whole series. But man, I have so little time 😔
Why the hell do the Gameboy Color games have such smooth animations?!?
Bootleggers did some amazing stuff on the Gameboy
What was the name of that Tiger games website that you've mentioned
Pica-pic ^^
Thanks now i can Play street fighter II the way it was intended
Haha enjoy
Thanks also i misspeled as Pick a pick
@@Theguywithasillynickname yeah the name of the website is kinda bad. Personally I prefer archive.org
Metal gear for n-gage was a game I wanted to try for a long time. I remember seeing it previewed in a magazine
It's a Shame how phone games seem to be so poorly preserved and distributed
I worked on the "N-Gage 2.0" in QA, Metal Gear was definitely one of the best games on the platform, I'd also recommend Reset Generation.
MGS M is such an underated title! Do you know how the patriots were able to erase snakes memory at the end by any chance?
@@DrMedicsGameSurgery Sadly, no, can't remember, it's been way too long and I did QA work on basically every "N-Gage 2.0" title.
Oh damn i don't know how I kissed this comment. That's super cool
8:50 my ears bleeding, it was even to high pitched for my hearing aids streaming device😂
Haha sorry xD
I can’t say I can think of a single beat em up on the game boy. Closest would be one of the tmnt games. Super neat to see one
The original Gameboy had the double dragon games and Battletoads. The GBA had final fight and double dragon.
On the Gameboy color though... I can't think of anything
Wow I did not know any of those Tiger Electronics games had speech that is pretty high tech there. xD
And it was cool to see the different Metal Gear Sollid games. :)
yeah, this was a fun a video to make. I hope to make a similar video for Castlevania soon-ish
I honestly forgot that Metal Gear had a C64 port.
I don't blame you :P
Well, there were more mobile *Metal Gear* games (eh-hem, the JAVA ones) you haven't noted, like the faithful port of the original game (btw, that's how I was properly introduced to the series itself in the first place. Before that I've only seen some blurry grayish screenshots of *MGS4* and wasn't really that much amazed by those) known as *"Metal Gear Classic"* and two ports (?) of the *Metal Gear Acid* spin-off series. But wait, there were MORE than three games 'cause the later two were released both in 2D (top-down view,sprites etc.) and in 3D (pre-rendered backgrounds,3D models instead of sprites etc.) editions.
So there you have it ^, ^
But wait there’s more! Great video!
Haha glad you liked it!
" Now you can play a Dragon riding a dragon shooting a dragon ! "
Man this video made you legendary ! :DDDD
Haha thank you!
Saw the opening I immediately sub, this is amazingly done
Haha thank you
5:56 thats because the game is used to playing on computer hardware between an XT to maybe a 286/386 at most.
Yep I know. I tried to change the CPU speed on dosbox but no success though
@@st1ka you setting your machine to 'Tandy' on everything you can?i literally have a video on my channel where im setting my machine (a Pi3) to Tandy 1000 mode, where it can run around between the 1000 RL to 1000 RLX\RSX in ability. also it has a 'throttle' in DosBox (Ctrl+F11/F12 to increase/decrease cycles or speed in Dosbox, but use a video someone has already done to judge correct speed (the CGA Wheel Of Fortune's intro theme is in time with the tv show at the time so it's one good gauge).
@@DaiAtlus79 oh I'll admit I did not try that. Thank you for that
SNAKE'S REVENGE on the nes is one of my top10 best nes games of all time, i just had to share this, such a good game that was way ahead of it's time, amazing music also.
I will admit I've never played Snake's Revenge more than a few minutes. I just know the game is often maligned by Metal gear solid fans
Play the MSX version of MG 2. It's 100 times better than this. MG 2 Solid Snake might be even one of the best games of 8 bit era.
@@st1ka it was my intro to the series, so i thank it for that, and i had nothing else to compare it to, also the game was the first ''think outside the box'' kinda games for me, and i loved that, having to do weird and complex things, it was great and i loved it a lot, and i still do, people just love to hate, like the Final fantasy mystic quest, it was my first FF game and made me a fan.
@@EpicLebaneseNerd ah that's understandable ^^
I thought that the PC version of Metal Gear 1 on sale at GOG was the old MS-DOS port but apparently is a new port of the original MSX game.
Yeah the gog version is the MSX original
@@st1ka emulated?
@@DarkwyndPT sadly no idea. I assume it's emulation but don't quote me
I didn't know there was an MGS Tiger handheld. I had the Castlevania and Sonic the Hedgehog ones back in the day.
damn, I'd love to play the castlevania one
@@st1ka it was pretty cool; yknow for a Tiger Handheld. Pretty sure my Grandma got it for me despite my bro and I not having any Castlevania games yet. We sure played the crap out of SotN later on; but at the time it was a bit of a surprise. If I recall the Tiger one was called or subtitled Simon's Quest.
@@thunderhammerx2966 that's cool not gonna lie :D
i just looked up MGS2 on GBC. turns out it's not a hack of anything. It's a completely original game. that's pretty sick ngl
Oh yeah it's a fully original game and it's surprisingly good
Yea its better than most licenced games
Metal Gear Acid also had mobile ports! Ironically, that thing was a hundred times more pop in Japan than anywhere else.
I'm guessing it was the card mechanic. Card games seem to be popular in Japan
Another horrible DOS port (back in the day), was Mortal Kombat. It was so broken out of the box to the point when I called the publisher, they offered me a patch to be sent in the mail. Like 2 weeks later, i got the 3.5" floppy in the mail and it did fix most of the bugs, but it still played like crap. I had a decent Pentium 1 at the time. I believe it was the 133mhz. So much simpler back then.
Ouch! Surprised to hear a Pentium I port of the original mortal Kombat was so bad
The Mega Man port was also horrible.
The Street Fighter II port on the other hand was surprisingly good.
Am I the only one who would love to see a fan take on a Metal Gear port of the MSX game on the SEGA Genesis/Mega-Drive? Shouldn't be too difficult, especially w/today's dev tools.
I would play the heck out of that
@@st1ka - If they could make the fan port feature the same quality animation as the Gameboy Color version but the MSX graphics - even better!
@@Guernicaman speaking of which, the Gameboy color game on the Mega Drive would be cool too
@@st1ka - Agreed! Give it a 16-bit coat of paint & such a game would be a must own for me!
No way I have to play that Nokia metal gear. I played that Nokia resident evil and it played great on a relatives phone and considering how janky the control scheme was at that time it actually worked on the phone.
Good luck!
What is the song in the beginning? I know I've heard it but can't place it
Ultimate showdown ^^
I never knew that Metal Gear was on the C64. I guess it makes sense that it came on the MSX 2,but looking at it just tell that this one is from the NES. Last but not least a bootleg version of it. Of course you’ll save it for the best for last.
The bootleg game is surprisingly fun. A lot of bootleggers actually did some pretty good stuff
@@st1ka indeed so that’s why I always get so fascinated by it.
@@Mankey619 I highly recommend it ^^
What's that music at 4:44?
It's from the MSX version of metal gear
Metal Gear Ac!d 1&2 are awesome if you're into turn-based card games. I recently bought a PSP for the sole reason of playing them
I think I own the first game but never got around to playing it
@@st1ka give it a try if you're feeling bored
Yeah I might give it a try when I have the time ^^
A fan made a port of Metal Gear to the Amiga. It definitely blows the MSX version out of the water.
Hah I've seen that. I think that version came out after I made this video, but I can't be sure.
We did it we have finally found a weapon to surpass metal gear.
Haha
Wasn't there a metal gear solid social social game that was on the phone as well thorn is well. Roughly around the time of metal gear solid 3 I believe
Was there? Damn even i don't know about that one
@@st1ka Metal Gear Solid social Ops
@@st1ka ua-cam.com/video/PUz4Vq_GyuU/v-deo.html
Well dang! I had no idea
I might be wrong, but the Pachislotmachines aren't even made by third-party studios
they are made by Konami themself, or at least by a subsidiary of them
I've honestly heard conflicting reports. Some people say konami makes them, others say they just license them out
I actually played MG mobile. Pretty good for what it was. I also have an odd fondness for the iteration of the boss theme used there.
Oh I'll have to check out the boss theme ^^
@@st1ka Duel - Metal Gear Solid: Mobile [OST RIP]
Also the boss itself is pretty neat. Spoilers for a 15 year old mobile game but the entire thing is a VR simulation, and as you lower the boss' health the area starts flickering between "real" and VR.
@@RippahRooJizah wait it's all just a VR simulation? That is so lame haha
@@st1ka Well, I am guessing that was their way to make it "canonical" with the main series, although the fact that it's all in VR is a plot point that's revealed later on.
I lost it when he said that the ms dos port of metal gear was made by a single guy.
I actually feel sorry for the dude. It couldn't have been easy
Man, I love this guy accent
Haha thank you! ^^
what was it with bootleg games turned into beat em ups
I actually can't think of too many bootleg beat em'ups. Usually most are fighting games or platformers 😅
@@st1ka or RPGs
Too bad about that dos version, graphically it's looks great. What a shame.
Yeah it has a ton of issues
I had the Nes, and loved Metal Gear. I had a 64 too, never knew it was on there. Didn’t know Sega had w version either.
Yeah there's some interesting versions out there
@@st1ka Indeed. What made the MSX the best, over the Nes?
@@Halbared from what I understand the NES was a quick and dirty port. The control scheme for example is super confusing. The newly added jungle sections are pretty weak as well.
And if I remember correctly, in the NES version, metal gear is just a computer, not a giant mech
What is the song in between games
The ultimate showdown,^^
@@st1ka Thank you!
@@TheGuillohm anytime ^^
Anyone have a link to the music in this video
Do you mean the narration music? It's an instrumental version of ultimate Showdown
MGS2 on GBC has Julian from TPB
Who?
@St1ika what music is used in the video?
It's the ultimate showdown
@@st1ka ah, thank you. I recognized it in the beginning of the video but I didn't there. Thanks lol
@@swaoswauce2884 glad I could help :D
aaaaah, I had mgs on N-gage 2..awesome game!
It looks pretty damn awesome
The dos version seems to be made by someone who really didn’t understand the logic of the game
I'm assuming the dude was given very little time to port it properly
That is pretty misinformed, especially when judging footage where the game was emulated on different hardware than required by the game.
how can we play these mobile games, like the last Metal Gear you mentioned on the Nokia? There were some only mobile Tomb Raiders that would sweet to play as well!
There's a tutorials on UA-cam about how to play Symbian emulators on PC or android ^^
MGS Touch was great. I hate how it was taken down. MGS Mobile was more like MGS1 with the gameplay tbh.
Is it possible to access MGS touch through other means?
uh huhuhuhuh.. hey beavis, metal ‘gear’, uh-huhuhuhuhuh.
Lol
I love ur videos even though it takes a while
Thank you! Yeah this one took longer than expected 😅
Man, I'm a connoisseur of shit games myself. And I didn't know about the ngage 2.0 version of metal gear. Actually looks decent, though. And that tiger handheld would have had me hooked back in the day. I like games many other people can't stand.
Understandable! And to be fair it does look like one of the better tiger electronics games ,^^
Man and I thought the Metal Gear Acid games where weird.
Yeah there is a lot more weirdness than just the acid games
Miller looks like Julian from Trailer Park Boys in the beat em up
Haha
All of those ports of the original Metal Gear, except for the NES one were all fan made. Not official. So yes, not everyone heard about them as they are not relevant.
They're official dude. I have no idea what makes you think they're fan made.
9:37
Well now I have to buy this version.
Good luck haha