NEW UPDATE CRIPPLES IRRIGATION! - Timberborn BADTIDES Ep 22 - Update 5 Hard Mode
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- The new update chages the irrigation rules completely! This is part 22 of a challenging new gameplay series in the awesome beaver city building game TIMBERBORN Update 5 on Hard Mode. Can I survive the terrifying droughts and engineer the ULTIMATE Beaver Paradise?
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@SkyeStorme what happens if you increase the depth... Blow up the entire Chanel 💥💥💥💥💥
You can replace paths with 1 deep trench with platforms, put the path back, and then use it as a new irrigation system.
The platform walkway with power-shaft + irrigation trench is the general go to.
The spacing is just now ~12 tiles apart instead of ~32
I was wondering if dynamiting down the existing channels would do anything? If the dumps can keep a multi tile deep hole filled, and the irrigation is tied to the amount of water, then you should be able to irrigate a much larger area by making the holes as deep as possible.
My default is the a 3 deep water trench with two platform -> power -> single platform for all roads. that is usually my second project after getting dynamite. first project being power. My farms are also 7 x 7 blocks because I like folktails (standard beehive coverage). it is a bit of a pain to plan out as you have to use levees and dams to keep from irrigating non-necessary areas during the dry season. This is why I am dreading bad water. I will have to rethink my development plan.
@hanzzel6086 just from a glance at my own beaver colony post-update, it appears to be based on surface area not volume but I will do some testing to see.
What if making 2 or 3-wide ponds along the channel?
You could widen the canal. Or create irrigation pools periodically. Also that gives you a place for mangroves.
Yes, and then plant mangroves in the canal.
I was thinking the same for that top layer! Making additional canals that go into the fields seems like the way to go, because then you're increasing the size of the body of water, and you can plant mangroves. (side note, it sounds like evaporation will be in a similar boat to boot, so increasing size is better than more seperate runs)
The phrasing 'size of the body of water' is why I advocate for this strategy.
Dynamiting down a tile throughout the trench may have an important effect as well?
I was thinking just have an offshoot every 5-10 tiles,. could also make some waterfalls to add to the aesthetic
@@squidwardo7074 you could still plant mangroves in the pools.
"Ripping them out is risky" -Says Skye moments before ripping out all the buildings🤣
Since irrigation is now volume based, if make the trenches wider and deeper and they'll work better!
Deeper doesn't help spread it further, its more about being on the same level as the ground and size of the water area, 3x3 being the best. The only way to keep it all watered in long droughts is height, as water two tiles lower then the land doesn't irrigate the land anymore.
Doubling the width of your current canal will nearly double it's irrigation range, which should cover your top layers just fine. It's the bottom layer that may need a new water canal.
Testing it a bit myself I've also found that you can still kinda use the water dump strat if you make your dump 2x3 (or 3x3 if you've got the spare water) and it will cover just as much space as the 1x1 use to. Just have a little more evaporation to deal with, but not that much. A full 2x3 will still last just as long without refill, it just costs 30 water to fill it to full instead of 5.
Sounds like a great place to have the farmhouse be central to the crops by placing it on platforms over the 3x3 pool. Add a shower and a small storage and the space lost can be used in a new way. I have not tested this since my time is limited this week to try this theory out.
Is the irrigation to do with width, depth or both? Could you dynamite the trenches? Place trenches under paths? Place water under the farmhouses, tanks and storage’s?
Thanks for the vid! 😊
I think it's time to make the irrigation channel on the top of the green monster! Big one serving smallest ones with pumps. And then must built a reservoir for the drougths.... 😂😂😂😂
The irrigation change adds another layer of complexity, love it!
Just widening the current canal by one would be enough to almost put you back where you were. Increasing to 3 width would be the largest area, but the jump from 2 to 3 is quite minor for irrigation radius, so you might want two canals, depending on preference. Those 1 tile water dumps should ideally be replaced with 3x3 ones, and they'll do just fine. It's a bit of land lost, but larger bodies of water are all that you need. You can even put the water dump on a platform over the pool to neaten it up. The update is a bit of a shock, but it's not so bad once you know how it works.
Have you named the farm area yet? I have the humble suggestion of the "Bot-anists Ridge"
replace the roads with canals and cover them back
Thank you very much for fixing those ladders. That is very appreciated. They're still bit wrong, but it's not a big problem anymore because they are all in the same way symmetrically and in some very rare cases there are ladders sideways in real world too.
I like it - the game was getting too easy to just hoard water and dump it
It certainly increases the challenge :)
If there was ever a time where your new super efficient storage pile would be needed it would be for that crossing. No reason why each warehouse/pile could not be something different.
I guess it's currently temporary, until Skye fully plans out how he wants to do stuff? But yes, in terms of footprint, his storage area design would be pretty good!
31:46 I think the best solution would be demo each building (farms, foresters, signal repeaters, storage buildings-- not any of the platforms)), triple dynamite each square that exposes, install triple platforms in the holes, then do the same with the paths to expand your aqueduct. It may take irrigation from the top, running it through channels with dams and lining the bottom row with a gutter system to recirculate the good water back up.
The irrigation channel is actually irrigating 6 tiles on each side, not 5. You didn't count the tile that had a path on it, so you're actually good if you just move it to the middle of that section. You'll need at least one more further down, obviously.
You don't really need storage for raw plants when you have permanent irrigation. You can "store" them as live plants on the fields.
Once you get your water issues sorted maybe you should see how few beavers you can have and make this a robot world.
no more 1 tile water dump cheese, now you need to make some mangrove farms and use the irrigation from it to plant other crops, maybe you can make it deeper and it will go further?
Does the depth of the water make a difference in how far it irregates? 🤔
No, Depth doesn't width does. 3 Wide is the magical width to get back to old irrigation. range
For the new Irrigation you could just make a larger pool of water under each farm house
Make the irrigation canals deeper and see if that extends the range or dot about a bunch of water dumps
You could make water nodes with metal platform recessed into the and do the hydroponics there
I've also created a 300k++ power plant and massive purifier plant (albeit a bit different) thanks to Skye's inspiration. To say I'm in vested in my current play through is an understatement. This irrigation change is going to be quite the challenge!
Idea 1:
Top terrace: 1 canal parallel to the og canal and in the middle of the dry crops.
bottom terrace: 1 canal in the back, right below the second terrace from below.
Idea 2:
Turn the second terrace from above into a pond.
You'll need mechanical water pumps.
Hmm, interesting change. My suggestion about the irrigation was just to make the evaporation depending on how much land is being irrigated (so these small water dump holes need refilling a lot more often than a lake with nothing around it), but this change does the dependency in the other direction.
Is the pollution reach following the same principles?
It would be interesting to see what making your current irrigation ditch 1 tile wider would result in. Good luck, and great series!
You know if you zet pitch to 1.7x and speed to 1.3x in LibreTube, Skye sounds exactly like a beaver 😂and Perfect Picture sounds like well..uhm.. Perfection (cause she just is, always😉)
Idea for new season could you try the smallest map in timberborn would love to see you navigate through that with your Mega giga extra large projects 🤭
Maybe one day :)
😍😍 it’s true the legend does reply 😍
Use the place below the farmhouses and the paths for water. Suddenly you have 3*3 body of water for irrigation which should give you a 15 tile irrigation instead of 5.
Well, firstly you miscounted, it's irrigating 6 tiles, not 5, you forgot about the tile the path is on! Secondly, if you dynamite out all the paths in the top section and replace with platforms then you'll probably be in pretty good standing on the top tier and maybe the step below (since the main channel will be 2 wide and irrigate further). You'll have to place a couple of extra water dumps along the channel to keep it topped up mind you! Thirdly, another irrigation channel one out from the back wall of the lowermost tier will probably sort the rest out fine, you can move the path to there and plant up where the current one is fairly easily.
As for the pines, just dynamite out every tile with a path or structure on it (except the one which leads in to the river below of course!) and replace with platforms as per above, might well be enough to cover all the trees. One dump should still suffice.
Honestly, I'm gonna abandon my own games in 5th and start again I think, especially the canal system I set up for my IT build. It's tuned to within an inch of it's life and I don't fancy ripping EVERYTHING up to fix it, time to start over methinks!
time to replace all paths with canals in botland! and maybe some extra canals.
Can you leave the canal in and extend the canal under the path? How much does the irrigated soil extend? This way, you might get away with only making one more channel at the bottom level.
What happens if you just make the irrigatiuon channel in the middle deeper? If its four or 5 levels of water would that make teh irrigation line go further as its a bigger body of water?
Something I've been pondering, but I don't have the game to test. Is there a way to create a flow of buildings where there is no storage, but haulers move the items between the two buildings quick enough that storage is unnecessary? For example, from the farm to the food factory with no intermediate storage.
Yes, but generally, you want some buffers. Each building has a production time. You just have to figure out how much each building produces and how many items the building is consuming. But it generally doesn't lead to asethetically good looking design. You also have to account for bots breaking down and needing recharging.
The reason we have so much food storage is in times of drought or event like the update that ruins production, we want a safety margin.
I think your beavers would like a deeper canal...
You are also gonna need more fluid dumps to fil up the irigation canals👍🏻
why not use the path for the irrigation since its already taking up space plus you'll gain one row
How would digging up the paths and replacing them with platforms work in the new irrigation update?
It would help but not do the full job :)
Multiple irrigation canals may actually look beautiful with the terraces. I initially thought it'd be aquatic farming because of the terraces.
Do the irrigation canals cover more area if you'll make them 2 deep instead of 1?
If you make your irrigation trench deeper, would that increase the irrigation range?
So, are irrigation towers from folktails useful now?
Irrigation towers have been removed from the game
does depth extend the saturation level of the water sources? seems you just need to dynamite some more :D
If the size of the body of the water counts, what about its depth? Does 2 tiles deep irrigate more?
Just make this canal 3 wide. It will work same as just 1 wide before change
Patiently waiting for new episode 😅 love from Pakistan 😍
I tested the New water System and a 3x3 Patch of water will do the same like the old system. You coild just place a 3x3 water Patch every 15 tiles o4 make your canal 3 wide?
Hmm
Okay so loving the episode. What you did with the design and set up is awesome.
Hate the new update. That water change is ridiculous.
why dont you create an aquaduct using the paths as not not reduce your faming area and then make a cannel that circles the premiter
Do you have enough fermenters??? I don’t feel you do
Hello Skye, thank you for playing the game with me and the beavers ❤ I enjoy your approach to the game, which is outstanding. In comparison, my way of playing this game is absolute crap! 😅 I have a couple of questions for you. Firstly, how do you plan all the structures in the game? Do you use pen and paper, documents, or another method to save your plan? Could you create a tutorial video titled "How I Plan My Beaver Colony" or something similar? 😅 Secondly, I was wondering if you could make a video or a series explaining how this game works. For example, the "magic tiles" in the game are unbelievable to me, and it's impressive how you managed to get 340,000 hp from one tiny water source! Your explanation would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Well, that's why I don't play early access.
I think it's good change so it's more challenging but doing it mid-season Just Skye putting more suffering on himself Classic
Wow. Dyson Sphere Program is so much nicer than this.
Staying awake till 2am to wait for your video is normal… right?
I do Not think so
Of course! ;)
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how good are irrigation towers now or is that a folktail only thing? @skyestorme
Folktails only :)
You can do a 3 wide canal, platform it, then build the farm houses and paths on it. With the shaft underwater.
Yiu can build the storage on it too. (The grease for example.)
Hey Skye, with the new update you can now flip the buildings with F.
You could flip the farm houses even have the entrances symmetrical
For effency sake on the crops, wouldn't it be better to have the quick growing plants like Kolhrabi closer to the processing? The stuff that grows the quickest should have the shortest distance for the haulers while stuff that takes longer to grow can be farther out since it will need to be moved around less often. Just a thought
Just widen the canal and then plant mangroves in it. Two birds with one stone.
Hopefully they add some kind of high-tier irrigation solution.
Iron teeth should be able to build pipes and sprinklers, for example.
Folktails could have raised aqueducts, basically like a 1x5 tall metal platform that only takes up one slot on the ground but irrigates below it.
Maybe they could even employ some sort of water tower to.......ohhhhhh wait a minute....
Wonderful to see Beavers rights not being exploited.
Thanks for another exciting video.
Grats on first ;)
I hope sky will make all the beavers unemployed and decrease working hours to minimum (or 0)^^
Is the update automatically installed? If it is, that kinda sucks. Especially when new features like this can cripple and end older play throughs
Perils of early access games
Pretty sure you have to update it manually (or set it to update automatically).
Would making the canals deeper help?
Thank you for fixing the ladders. The series is now back to being watchable
Jk it's always been great and it always will be!
lol ;)
🤣🤣🤣
Kinda wish this was a hard mode only feature. I just want to build my towns in peace
With bad tides and this change I think there's going to be an easy and hard mode separation soon. I love the challenge myself and kinda want even more difficulty options lol
@@Bullsquid592 I love when developers acknowledge that different people play a game in different ways. I want to try out hard mode eventually but I just love not having to worry about feeding beavers and just building
Great episode, was feeling the excitement watching you getting some farming started. the green extract is too bad, i hope they find a 5th color that works better than the first four.
thanks for the heads up regarding irrigation. I enjoy this big time build series.
Strange decision. I would've understood irrigation increasing evaporation, and maybe water level affecting range.
Wonder why the game doesn’t have wooden pipes, or aqueducts for liquids?
Like an end game or advanced tech tree, with treated and metal.
Great series Skye as always! Green Monster isn't so green anymore... Just an idea, you could build the aqueduct along the back wall and have waterfalls down to channels under the paths??? you'd have to pause some pumps at the filtration system but I think it would work out well! keep up the great content
These Kohlrabi strips may be larger than the farms can handle due to their short growth time. (Depends on efficiency and worker type)
can you not deepen the irrigation channels with dynamite to make them contain more water?
create a stream from the incoming filtration system and then have irrigation channels going down into the plateau
Your Oak/Canola boundaries are not symmetrical under the metal platforms.
30:36 well on the other hand though I kind of like this idea accept the fact that now you need to make a River basically
Don't the crops and trees need sunlight to grow, why would you put them underneath the platforms? Might be better suited for buildings like farmhouses, forresters or even housing and storage and whatnot.
The farms looked so epic while it was watered!! Awww mann
you already have a great set up for good irrigation demo the farms dinamite area under farm use platforms on the new pond and build farms on platforms on the pond.
the farm covers the pond and the platforms
I hate the new update.
It sure creates some issues :)
You should just make the existing canal 1 or 2 tiles deeper and 1 blocker wider in each direction
When you counted the five tiles at the end you didn’t count the path, its irrigation is six tiles not five
Margaret Thatcher in 1980s be like: 12:58 😄
Haha What and interesting curveball
just made an irrigation canal of 3 tiles instead of 1
Well, that is indeed a cliffhanger...
Two teeth fixed today and two more on Tue. , I'm a hobbit not a beaver dammit , lol. Thanks Skye 8)
LOL ;)
IRROGATE THE PATHS😅
Dear Skye,
Make your canal atleast 3 wide to get full Irrigation range back.
Also [Missing note added on 2023-12-05] Soil now absorbs water much faster from small water bodies.
I've been testing the absorbion rates on a test map. and Its Horrible.
Even a large lake is evaporating quicker then 22 days. 1x1 tiles dry up in 2.5 days.
WOOF. 2.5 days?? Hard mode has truly been engaged.
Seeing Skye adjust to this will be interesting!
@@aayyyooooo Shape, Width, length. all have a factor in how fast it absorbs water.
A 3x3 = 10 days.
3x 20 Canal straight line is 17 days.
If it has lots of corners/curver a 3x20 can go to 9 days. (Wich rivers usally are)
you could make the irrigation line two tiles wide and as deep as it can go. That could help with the issue. You could also use 3x3 ponds that are connected to the irrigation line.
Wow. Interesting twist. Thanks
if irrigation is linked to the size of the body of water than could you just blow the irrigation canal down to the bottom of the map so there is more water
or is it base of surface area and not volume if so then im the dumb
Apparently it is based on width only (with 3 wide bringing you back to pre-update irrigation).
The irrigation change is a challenge, but I think it makes more sense.
Yes and no, it feels a tad reactionary after the unintended water dump thing, especially since they just removed water towers because they were redundant, and now suddenly they look like a really solid option and they're still gone. They had to redesign a bunch of stuff in their preset maps to make them work again after this so maybe it went too far the other way, still on the fence about it (and slightly sour due to 2 runs ending because of the change). A single tile dump is pretty much a straight up exploit but long irrigation canals for large planting should still work alright, certainly better than they do with the implementation of this current change. With the way the game focuses on real estate use, the fact that you now need 2-3 tile wide canals everywhere to irrigate effectively makes tile premiums go even further up. At least I'll have plenty of platform space for buildings and storage now, since I'll not be planting on such wide tracts all over the place.
I can see lido/swimming pool, aquatic crop and mangrove use going up a lot with this change though, so it's not all bad. Already redesigning some tried and true builds in my head based on the change, guess I'll need to play about for a couple of weeks before I decide if I like this or not.
With the new changes it has to be at least 3x3 wide and on the same level for the biggest range of green. Anyone with 1x1 setups now have to restructure :)
Can't wait for the next episode.
Well, now that irrigation is area based, our crop area also gets smaller, we need a proper irrigation system for the game.
Is more depth more longer range right? Or more wide more range? Is just destroying my irrigation which is 12x12 🫠 with 1 tile depth and wide water on around it (with power line on it), but it can be fixed by moving the building to the center but... Is seems beter change to 10x10 then.