Why We Don't Use Strava
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Anything that gets people out cycling, running, walking is a plus to me.
Eh - to each their own. I'm fine with people who do not like Strava, but for me it has helped me find friends and groups to ride with. I also recognize that I ride bikes for different reasons than others, and some of my friends and I no longer ride together because we enjoy different kinds of rides. I have a few friends that love frequent stops, smelling the flowers and taking their time. I do not enjoy that - Strava appeals to me in part because I like the competition. My friends and I don't obsess over KOMs, but we certainly enjoy competing with one another on segments. It isn't out of malice or obsession; to us it is fun. Then again, I'm also someone who loves that feeling of being completely drained, knowing I couldn't give any more, after a race. Some of my friends hate that feeling. They don't race.
So I don't Strava is good or bad - it is a tool. Some will use it poorly, but we will all have different reasons for using it.
100%. Personally I like stopping lots and smelling the flowers as well, and I post pictures of the flowers to Strava! I'm sure Strava, as a tool, influences some people to develop toxic habits, but that's inherent to all social media.
It's a great way to meet workout partners.
You said that very well... I like it because it keeps track of my own rides. My biggest competition is with myself. It's like Golf that way.. I know there are far superior riders than me, so I don't worry too much about KOM. It's nice to hit the top 10 now and again but I also realize that GPS devices are all different and when riding with a friend once, we both went down the same hill at the same time and I finished ahead of him but after we uploaded our rides it had him significantly faster than me on the hill. I was waiting at the bottom for him but somehow his GPS said he was faster. So Strava is definitely imperfect but if you use it to have fun and to push yourself to get better, I think that is a very good thing.
@@snowman22ism You are playing $60 bucks to Strava to access your own data? Kinda Dumb 😂
I love Strava. I'm a fat guy with no cycling friends who cycles alone. I'm getting better at going downhill. I ride a Halfords Vanquish with a few upgrades.
"I don't want any social media".... says the person who makes a living on social media.
But that could be perfectly true.
This is the most true thing ive heard all day. 😂😂
Most people hate one or two elements of their jobs.
It makes sense. Years back working for advertising agency, advertising was most hated thing by me.
Aka they are just slow
Don’t care for the segments, Kudos, and KOM stuff. Strava is a great training log and diary of my rides where I can share videos and photos. Oh and creating routes on the website is fantastic. Super easy.
This 100%. That is exactly how I use it :)
Whenever someone makes something good someone always has to hate it.
true
Good is subjective and people are allowed to feel however they like about something. Doesn't mean it has to take away someone else's enjoyment of it. I don't like Tequila, doesn't mean it's bad or no one else should like it... I do reserve the right however to let people know I don't like it... It's just life man. Show me one thing, any one thing in the entire universe that is loved by all and ...... no point in finishing that sentence because that thing doesn't exist. :)
Good? Good luck playing $60 bucks for that bullshit app
Strava, like any social media, can easily become a burden that gets people all twisted up. Like other social media it also has its upsides.I like it for the social aspect in meeting and following others, joining clubs and tracking my rides and exercise (but I also track with garmin's app as well). But yeah, some people can take it too far and then miss out on the joy of simply riding.
Two of the main reasons I like Strava. 1. I can use routes other people have ridden to find new adventures. 2. Segments allow me to see my improvements, when I get a new PR on a segment, and then smash that PR again, this always tells me if my training is improving my overall performance, and I really like that.
I think these are all fair points, but it also has positives. Personally, I like 'racing' segments to compete against myself. I don't have cycle club mates that I regularly ride with, but segments are just like racing for the town sign... It's a mini motivator. When I get in the top 5% of Strava times on a climb, I'm psyched about that.
It's like social media: I don't need to share my photos on IG, but I like sharing what I do and seeing what others do. Ditto Strava. If it becomes an obsession, or you're riding just to post to Strava or posting just for the likes, then you're in a toxic relationship.
And it doesn't mean I can't go out and enjoy a local pootle and soak up the sun, stop for ice cream, and look at the view.
So I'd say; hate the way that some people use tools like Strava to promote negative aspects of cycling culture, not the tools themselves. Now apply that rule to power meters, aero things, dress conventions. It's not the THING that's the problem, it's the negative attitudes that surround the thing.
I like Strava, I just dont always make my rides public so if I want to arse about & do a slow one I can without eyes on me.
You can do both.
It doesn’t have to be either or.
Strava > people. I ride to get away from people. I'm around people too much. Cycling is an escape for me.
You’re just over exaggerating it. All the guys in our community all use strava and we also don’t care about the numbers. I think the problem is you. You sound just like those cycling elitists, you said to cycle for fun but it doesn’t sound that way when you say it.
I'd say this too if I was sponsored by Garmin. I don't care about many of the things you mentioned for disliking Stava but as an aggregator for many different devices and syncing to other systems it's unparalleled. Also, Garmin mapping has improved but it's still miles behind Strava.
I think that’s a totally fair perspective. I do use it, but I’m not really obsessed with segment times or data. I USE the data, probably poorly. But I like it best for just keeping track of the riding I do, the miles I have on my components, etc. I don’t use it to compete with anybody. Who cares.
I also like seeing what my friends are up to and encouraging them. There’s definitely a light side of it. Like any social media, it’s how you use it.
Good log of activity. Take It or leave it. My experience hasn't been the same as Jimmi's...I am part of a worldwide cycling club that's tied to Zwift, but also has extensive IRL interaction. Strava is a good place (for me) to see what my friends in Britain, Europe, ANZAC and other parts of the USA are doing.
I do agree that any social media can be bad if taken to extremes. YT let's me interact with you two, Lawrence and others despite being 1000s of km away...that's pretty cool.
It’s not really for you or anyone to decide how or why people should ride. Everyone gets something different from it and strava is just one aspect.
Did they decide for You? I didn't notice.
It’s not really for you or anyone to say someone shouldn’t have an opinion. They’re just expressing an opinion to which they are entitled and you are entitled to yours.
@@danielakerman8241He did not say that they can't have an opinion. He just expressed his own opinion about the opinion stated in this video.
@@AwwSweet
0:24 It makes people think that they should be doing bike races when they should just be out having a good time.
Is this not him saying how or why people should ride?
they were asked a question. They shared their opinion. What is your problem?
I use Strava but mainly just to record my rides. I don't necessarily care about the power, speed, and segment numbers more than I care about how long my ride was and perhaps how much I climbed. Even with my computer I pretty much use it to see what gear I'm in, distance, and speed, not to stay at a specific speed but more just to know how fast (or slow) I'm going. Makes a no difference either way but I just like to know those numbers. I don't ride by them though. It's more about the result opposed to the progress.
What you said at the beginning about going out with your friends is why I love Strava. It’s a great way of capturing an amazing rides.
It's totally fair to think that way and I totally respect that. On the other end of the spectrum, I like to ride by myself most of the time and I'm a kind of data nerd. I check watts, HR and all kind of graphs about performances and Strava helps me put that together.
It helps me to put my life in order and keep my life - and mental health - tidy. If I sleep better, eat better and I'm more focus about what I'm doing, I'll be a more healthy person and obviously I'll perform better. It just pushes me to be a better person, even though I ultimately don't care too much about the absolute values I see as I'll never wear the yellow jersey anyway. It's more about how I improve myself.
It also helps me to follow some friends' activities even if we don't live I the same cities. It's nice to see when they are putting everything together and it works for them.
This is an odd one for me - the guys are both wearing garmin watches that track and record data 24/7, but are complaining about people being all about the data. They're complaining about social media when it's literally their jobs. I get that they're saying it's something THEY don't want, and that others can do whatever, but I still find it odd.
I'm fine with whatever. You do you and all that.
I mainly use it to track mileage for maintenance or whatever.. or if i change a part or make adjustments. Like "new tires f&r", "new chain", or "lowered (or raised) saddle x mm"
I use Strava and I only look to see if I have beaten my own PBs as I only need to beat myself. But going back a few years I did have someone DM saying they had beaten my KOM, my reply was AND.
The segments are free races and good for hard workouts and monitoring fitness. Downsides can be going too fast on easy days and revealing too much to competitors.
i both agree and disagree with this. Strava is part of the whole cycling fitness industry thing 'You must have a power meter' 'You must have a gravel bike' 'You must ride with a heart rate monitor' 'You must get a whoop band' 'You must have cargo bike pants' etc etc Just get out on your bike with your mates and have some good craic. I do use Strava and i find the whole route planning helpful and comparing previous rides etc. I might add that Strava, Garmin, KOMOOT, Wahoo etc, Zwift whatever... there all the same...pick your poison.
The same way as you guy don't like strava, but, I still use strava for 2 reasons. So far it's the simplist tool to track milage of all my bikes. Especially it's so good to track tyre milage. Maybe these data only for my little hobby, and only thing really important to me is month Kilometers and yearly Kilometers.
Secondly, strava not offer to hide entire map. It's so good to see my friends are still riding, running, doing strenth training, playing tennis.... We just don't care where they did it, we just feel good that everyone of them still doing these sports and keep in shape.
And yet Garmin does that for free...
- First of all, habits are easier to start if you track them, and Strava does that for you conveniently. I am now hooked to cycling!
- Avg speed is great for planning commutes and normal rides since I can estimate how long a trip would take using it and distance. Otherwise, it's a nice extra data point for my normal/fitness rides as a reflection of my fitness.
- I don't care at all about KOMs and segments since I use a hybrid and a foldie lmao. I am not racing.
Everyone is free to like it or not of course, for me is a really fun game to check some segment and see if I have improved, or make it a “race” with my friends. This doesn’t change that most of the time I ride only to enjoy the ride. There will be always some one that exaggerates things and take it too seriously but is more a problem about the way they approach life not the object the are obsessed about.
I liked this segment🤣😉 I’m the same, get really upset when someone takes my local legend😁 I don’t think people realise what you actually have with Garmin, yes initial payout is expensive but then you don’t have any annual subscription fees, you can connect with your mates and it does everything Strava does and a bloody lot more, just for a one time payment. I’ve been a Garmin user since the 200 unit and have so many years of data would be upset to change my unit now. Love the new podcast😊👍
I use strava as a repository for the pictures I take during my rides. Some of the data is of interest, length of ride and total for the year...Not bothered about the rest, I ride to get away from screens and get my zen on...:)
The only problem with Garmin is that if the ride wasn't recorded by Garmin - 'it didn't happen'. Yes you can upload the ride to Garmin but Garmin doesn't use the ride data in any of it's metrics/analysis/performance stuff.
Same experience. I'm riding with someone and all of a sudden, they bolt ahead. Then stop and want to do the same segment again.
Fair enough comment, but it seems to me Strava does more good than harm and we are all capable of tailoring our use of it to suit our needs. I like being able to look in on mates' rides or runs and give them a well done on their efforts. None of us are doing stuff competitively but I like having a record and stats about how often I get out there and what I am doing. I also like that it works with most of the kit I am likely to use and so does not lock me into any one ecosystem or manufacturer. I might say, only as long as the free version is available.
Each to their own, the best thing about cycling is getting out there on your bike, for me seeing myself imporve in segment times and looking at my data improve motivates me to go and do more of what i love.
Not everyone can agree on everything in life - you can use Strave for other things than comparing yourself to others. If you find motivation by using Strava, then use Strava, for whatever reason. 🙂
Yes! Completely agree. That’s why I deleted strava. The racing mentality on my commute home years ago. I realised I was getting part of it. Unsafe. It becomes obsessive and removes the fun.
Jimmi I completely agree with you. I am in my fifth year of mountain biking and I use strava. At first it was to see if I was getting faster thereby getting more fit. It was too much of a chore, I peaked with the obsession over PR's. I do still use it, but only for mileage on my bikes for maintenance purposes. My idea of cycling has been shifting, when I first started riding, I felt like I was 12 years old again, then I was becoming obsessed with speed and numbers, now I don't care, I go out to enjoy myself. much better mind set.
I am a dedicated D1 high school runner who also participates in trail racing. I use Strava, including the premium features, and I love how it allows me to observe how others run, emphasizing the social aspect rather than solely focusing on competition. Strava I love!
I like strava. Tracks my distance and where I’m at. But I definitely don’t obsess over it or chase prs
“The best thing about riding a bike is getting your mates together and going out and having a chat and having a good time.”
It’s really not - I’d die in a ditch before ever agreeing with that. The best thing (for me) is about going out on my own and getting away from the world and other people.
Each to their own, of course. No rules - just ride.
Jimmy you are wrong! The one and only good thing about strava is the segments but as long as you are viewing yourself, when you are actively trying to get fit or fitter knowing you are setting PB’s and strava is best for this
I've met a lot of local riders and learned about many cool routes and rides through Strava. I was initially a bit obsessed with some KOM's and PR's but I've pretty much gotten over that. However, it has truly improved my performance, and made me ride more since it makes boring local rides more fun and adds a fun competitive element. I don't really take it too seriously. The real benefit now I see is a cool log of all my rides and associated photos, and meeting some new people to ride with. Although, I do mostly enjoy just riding by myself as a way to escape and be free with my thoughts. Strava is not for everyone, but also great for others (you can also just make it private). You do you is what I say...
I actually love data and stats. I don't care much about the stats of other people but it's just so much fun trying to improve my own stats. It's a good motivation if you don't have people to go out with or simply enjoy solitude.
I don't get why you guys have so much hate against Strava. I like to get out and ride with friends, but I also like to track my rides. Likewise, I also really enjoy going for KOMs and top ten finishes on my local segments. It's a goal for me to be in the top ten in all my local segments. It is fun and something to strive for. If that's not what you like to do then fine, but there is no need to be so negative about it.
I just like it to keep track of how far I'm going and my effort.
I love Strava and just use the free version and use it as a workout log. I don’t may attention to how fast I went on segments.
Is the app bad or your choice to focus so much on the data/people/segments. Accountability should be on the user, on how much they should let it influence you.....Just my opinion.
Bad take. I know plenty of people who just use strava as their personal ride diary to keep track of adventures and memories. You guys just might be insecure with your performance on the bike ;)
KOMOOT for life!
Vast majority of people I ride with don't use Strava like that. A few will start and end their ride at convienient points to get a better average, but the social part of interacting on Strava, encouraing others, inspiring others, far outwieghs the negatives for me. Its annoying that Zwift has taken over the feed on it but hey, not everyone can get outdoors all the time.
Strava helped me run and gauge my times to get better and run longer
My hatred for Strava is that they've bloody put everything behind the paywall. Yes yes I know if you use something pay for it (but you can argue we are as they sell our data so you're double paying for it), and I did pay for it but after having health issues that kept me off the bike, returning to it (fat and slow) to find almost everything is behind the paywall now and you can't even check leaderboards or analyze your bloody heartrate is absolute stingy AF. Oh and then opting EVERYONE out of the flyby's which was one of my favourite features. There's absolutely nobody on it now when before you used to see up to 5-10 riders and a bunch of walkers/runners and was great to see where others where riding for route ideas.
They obviously don't care about users as they never add features that have been asked about for years AND keep releasing features nobody was asking for.
Heart rate, cadence and segments should all absolutely be free paywalling those is stingy AF as all you're doing is paying for is them developing features half or more don't use and because they got into huge debt expanding and taking on loans to pay their old loans, I rememeber DC Rainmaker did a video/article about their mismanagement.
Disagree. Some people are goal oriented and they’re encouraged to ride by knowing their data and progress. For them Strava is good. I suppose there are people who become obsessed with it but if it encourages them to ride and they’re enjoying the ride then it’s not really a problem. For those who just want to ride with their friends and don’t care about the data, that’s not a problem either. It really comes down to personal preference. To say that Strava ruins cycling or is bad for cycling is a broad sweeping statement that is not necessarily true but based on your own personal preference. I use Strava because I like to have the data. I also have the privacy settings on so that anyone that wants to follow me needs to make a request. I follow quite a few pros and the one thing they don’t post is their power data.
I think Strava is great! I’m old and slow, but enjoy interacting with my friends that ride and having a lifetime log of my rides. I also use the route planning.
It depends on how you consume it. Actually I do like the social aspect of Strava because it motivates me to get better when I see friends performing well. I can say 'heeey you are doing a lot of sports lately we can go and do a run together, or cycling!". I do look at my numbers but only if I ride alone. For example, I commute uphill everyday, and more or less once per week I try to beat my personal records on the hill. As you say, I do enjoy way more when I go with friends and just enjoy the ride, even if I have my Strava activated but on those scenarios I forget about numbers, because it is not the point of the fun that day.
You just have to not get obsessed by it and be able to take the positives of it. Hey, at the end of the day, it is better to check on your friends doing sports than "perfect life" pictures on instagram...
relax Jimmy. people ride for lots of reasons and fitness is an important part of riding for lots of people and strava (or substitute any number of apps here) keeps track of this. you can turn off notifications and pretty much kill all the social media stuff if you're worried about your privacy.
AMEN. "Just Ride"
Uses too much battery. Has little privacy and a watch with a map gives you most of what you need to know.
Strava is for the narcissists on a bike. And there are a LOT of them.
Strava is social media, if you like social media, you’ll probably like Strava. I don’t and as you guys Garmin app is enough for the diary aspect.
I think I like Strava better for the diary aspect because it's not attached to the hardware? Which I was pleased about when I switched from Garmin to Wahoo! But there's probably a bulk export on Garmin, and there's other sites like Ride with GPS, etc...
Yeah, there's a ton of peer pressure on Strava!
BPM and cadence, that's what I follow. Hate the social part of Strava, just want to save my rides, actually don't really know why I have it. Oh, yes, because I use Samsung watch for bpm and Garmin for the cadence - hate that they won't work together
Owning an Edge 530 I have Garmin Connect too, it's garbage for route planning and navigating around, even trying to update your weight for example is hidden behind a convoluted pathway. Strava works for me, never chase downhill segments because there's always someone more stupid who won't consider risks. But on the flat and climbs(when you can see what's ahead) it's useful to gauge against your own PR's and see if, say a change in diet, or eating time impacts your performance. I have flagged up activities I must admit- and it's always fat mountain bikers who don't switch off their unit and claim every road KOM driving back to home via burger king...
The route planning function is really good in Strava. But the segments thing is a load of bollox.
I use Garmin and Strava. I prefer Garmin but I use Strava to track mileage/wear on consumable parts of my bike. i.e. chain, tires, brake pads, etc.
Jimmy has a point.
When Strava segments impact on clubruns it was the point I turned off. Mini races up hills on clubruns from riders who don't race is a PIA.
Love you guys. Well said.
I agree with you,I started riding with a group 4 years ago,and used to love going out cycling once or twice per week,chating having coffee breaks ect, but STRVA destroyed it all as one by one everyone started worrying about segment and how fast they could ride,now I do not enjoy it anymore so I have stopped going out with them, I prepare doing sole even though it is boring, I am less stressed but I miss the company.
I only use strava to track my rides and I can see over the years if I am progressing a bit. I don't have strava live or go for segments and such. I have no KOM only local legends because I try to ride often. I use Komoot for route planning ;)
The "fitness score" stuff (which I think is a bit like the "battery" on Garmin) is what I like most, since I have a Wahoo and no watch, Garmin or otherwise. The route planning has actually improved, with the automatically generated routes (set the distance, hilly/flat, paved/gravel, and it offers you a few loops from where you are), but if I'm serious about routes, especially on a multi-day ride, I'm going to Komoot, no doubt.
Somewhat annoying that those two Strava favourite features of mine are behind the paywall, though...
I don't go for segments but I do care about my performance over the years and strava is awesome because it allows me to compare my performance and record my rides. The social aspect is another thing I don't care.
With strava I can look back and see I did 1000 miles in 2013 or a certain ride in 2018 which triggers a memory of a special ride and I restrict myself to only going for koms in august and only once a week and the other rides are for the love of it just throttling back and taking it all in
I only use Strava to see the distance I’ve ridden. Couldn’t care less about segments. Too old for that crap
Bro the segments is a fun part, But should not be the only thing.
People becoming try-hards is not Strava's fault tho💀 it's their own.
Not worth it with the cheating and cars and ebikes ruining everything. Also gps errors are laughable.
So your dislike of Strava seems very narrow minded. I agree with you that people can get consumed by it which is like saying alcohol is bad because people just become alcoholics.. We don't all do that though. I like Strava because when I do wanna push myself, I can. I enjoy going for rides with my mates and if we have to stop for a chat or someone is tired, then we stop. It's not all about setting times every time you go out but when you do want to go out and set a time, it allows you that competition. The biggest issue I have with it though is each device records differently and clearly there are times on the leaderboards that are not real. When you are riding a switchback trail on your mtb and the guy who has the KOM shows a perfectly straight line and beats everyone else by 30 seconds, it's clearly a device error. You can't escape that and it's frustrating to know you really aren't competing fairly but it's nice to have something to aim for... Personally, Top ten lists are nice but my goal is to set PR's. As long as I can do that it means I am improving.. My riding. My fitness. It's nice to see results.
If Strava was a driving app, pretty sure they would ban it - just for the segments piece, it effectively encourages racing on roads. which overall must increase risks. That was my reason for not getting it, plus i would have lost years of recorded rides off another system. When's the next adventure gents?
I use Strava to make routes in places that I’m not familiar with, it’s good, not perfect
Garmin acct all the way for me 🙌🏻
"I don't want any social media". Claiming on UA-cam ;) I agree about Strava
Strava is kinda dope. Ive had a paid subscription to it years back but bot riding to power felt like a waste. I enjoy messing around and doing hood rat shit ony bike. I mean, it is a nice feeling seeing a crown after you upload.
I was always wondering how people are getting these crazy results on segments - because usually when I check the overall time for their ride with this impressive segment results it turns out it is just a good amateur tempo (sth like 30-32 km/h, rarely 33-35). So they must really try to break these records 😅😅 Its so funny to me.
“Strava upsets me” why post your rides on it then?
Well if you listened to it all you would hear him tell you it automatically uploads.
@@Theparadoxd7 hard to change that is it.
@@leggie9565 why would he need to, he doesn't care if it's there or not.
Zwifters logging miles on strava...... Its not miles..its not elevation .. Time and effort...thats all.... Just stop please.
I don't use strava either, wouldn't really know why ☺️
Huh, it just tracks your miles. You guys too up tight.
i like measurement....and number
you can make your strava private
No.
Just imagine if there was a way to track where people are going and have been. Enter strava. Great way to track your idiot x
I have strava but I dont follow anyone its just for me
Strava is more use it for noobs.
Please take your caps off or wear them properly.
Totally agree. I think if it IS on Strava the ride didn't happen although the exercise in data collection via pedaling your bike may have.
if cycling has one especific meaning to you, it should not bother you if someone else has a different approach. You do you
Then their view shouldn't bother you.
Some people just don’t like popular stuff because they have to feel “individual”. The product is good that’s why people use it. Garmin is great… if you’ve got a garmin product
The product WAS* good. Then they put everything behind a paywall because they kept taking out loans to pay for their old loans because they were developing software others are doing better for cheaper.
Guys love your video's but this is a bit of a blinkered view in my opinion. if Strava encourages people to get out on their bike (for whatever reason) surely that's a good thing. Were all different I happen to love strava but accept that its not for everyone. I absolutely love the segments and trying to beat my previous times. Surely more positives that negatives, each to their own and all that
Then they should have kept it free for the basic stuff, shoving more and more behind the paywall to keep making bad business decisions seems to be their motto.
Data is helpful whether you use it all the time or not. I enjoy having data. Best use so far is being able to go back a year or more and see where I was. You guys seem too cool for this.
If that's what you got from this then you didn't pay attention. Also maybe they don't like supporting a greedy company like Strava.