Skidoo Skandic and tundra ski widening kit Trapping Inc TV
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- Опубліковано 3 січ 2019
- Rich from Trapping Inc TV installs the Stability and turning enhancement pack for BRP REV-XU (STEP) from Qualipieces. The install is easy and straight forward, I had more trouble adjusting the suspension on the 2014 Skandic afterwards. I give a full review of my findings at the end.
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Thanks for the explantion rich
No problem!
I have a Tundra Extreme so I can attest to how tippy they are. I however cant tell you how many times I squeezed that sled through things I shouldn’t have. I absolutely love how narrow it is. I find it’s only sketchy at high speeds which aren’t typically found on the trapline. The way I see it is if you want a wider sled then get the Expedition.
I'm glad you like it. This thing is sketchy on a trail at 30 km, nothing high speed about that! LOL
Added the wideners last year and love them. They not only widen the ski stance but raise the front of the machine 2 inches for a better track attack angle in the deep snow, more weight on the skis which makes the machine turn better and much more stable. Really important on my tight trails. Well worth the money IMHO.
How many miles have you put on the machine since then? Any wear and tear problems? I've only 400 miles on mine so far.
@@TrappingIncTV Probably 500 of some really rough narrow trails. Last year without a decent trailer the machine was backed of my pickup to drop to the ground. If anything would have failed that would have been the time. No problems!
At 73 I need all the handling help I can get!
That is a torture test for sure!
Don't I know that!
Thanks I got a 2017 tundra got the same prob I’ll give them a shot
do u regret the tundra?
Love mine
I flipped my Skandic last week .I may have to add the extension, are you still liking them after more use?
Very happy with it. It has made a big difference for me.
please make some more videos of the Skandic. Its the best Snowmobile and there are only a few videos available. If you could film some riding / working with the seld i would love to watch it.
@Winston Dawe jeah maybe, but i have to be honest and say that looks do play a part in my decision and the vk is just hideous.
Hey Rich excellent shows. I was wondering with the argo setup you have ,why you dont use it all winter.With me its all about staying dry ,warm and comfortable especially when your out all day. Their definately not as fast as a skidoo,but then again i didnt know trapping was a race
Its not a race but I only have a certain amount of time to check. For instance I'll start checking my line at 8:30 tonight. By the time I head home Sunday I'l have checked over 300 km (190 miles) of line. Throw in a little bit of good luck and video work and sleep gets in short supply in that time. I use the Argo as much and for as long as I can, tonight I'll do the short northern loop (63 km) in it and then tomorrow I'll get dressed up and switch 2 the snowmobile for the next 2 days. Cheers!
Wondering if you'd recommend the widening kit to improve steering and decrease tippiness? I have a tundra 550 sport and find it somewhat tippy and difficult to turn in deep snow. I'm new to my sled, so maybe I have to learn how to ride it by leaning more.
Decrease tippiness is exactly why I did this and it helped a bunch. It will help the Tundra as well although the rider has more influence on the 440 pound Tundra than on the 680 Skandic.
My sister had a Tundra Extreme and hated it. She got those wideners now it is much better.
I put CNA skis on my Tundra did basically the same thing.
I’m back to the Tundra my VK blew a piston and our dealer lost there Yamaha dealership so I have to send it to Whitehorse for warranty.
I saw that on your video, you kit water with the VK? I put another 200 km on the Skandic today and it is much better behaved.
Cool had a tough day with the Tundra today
Some good info Rich. Thanks for posting. Where can u order them from?
Google Qualipieces.
Its been a couple of years now. Did the enhancement pack work well enough for you? What snowmobile would you recommend overall for working in the bush? Thanks for the info.
It made it more stable but it is harder on other components like your ski bushings things like that. It's not as good a solution as actually buying something with a sophisticated ski suspension. I still have this 2014 skandic and I have a 2018 Yamaha VK Pro 2. Which is best? Depends what you're doing. I like the Yamaha the most and so I drive at the most. I drive to scandic when conditions are a little on the edge and there might be some damage done
How did you adjust the ski alignment? I have a 2014 Tundra extreme ( same year with same suspension) and it's pulling to the left. I can't find anywhere that shows how to adjust ski alignment on pogo-suspension and it's at least six weeks to get into the repair shop.
Two things could be up here. You may have bent one of the pogo mounts pushing the ski back in reference to the other. The machine will want to turn on the short side. To align I use a long straight edge along the side of the track to the front of the ski. Measure from straight edge to ski center front and back of ski. I like the toe out 1/4" check other side. You adjust toe on the tie rods. Loosed jam nuts on both ends of tie rod and turn the rod in the direction needed to correct the alignment.
Interesting sweater your wearing. I'll bet you got whatever you asked Santa for : )
Sandi says i can't wear it to the bank Christmas party anymore! LOL
Seen it, like it, want it. But Im afraid that offsetting the ski like that will introduce some torque to the bottom of those suspension posts where the gizmo bolts on.
It could I don't know but I guess time will tell. The machine was a bag of crap the way it was so no loss if something breaks I guess.
I dont really like some of the trail handling of this machine but in our deep snow no other machine compares. If I added these and maybe the stiffer pogo spring to improve the on trail characteristics I would be sold.
@@GoldCountryTrapping I think I need stiffer springs in the pogo stick as well. I'll do some research but I was amazed at just how soft the springs are stock. Those pogo sticks compress way to easy!
Yeah, the stiffer springs are supposed to keep it from trying to gator-roll on you.
REvel Suspension has them for $99 per spring i think.
I'll check that out! "Gator roll" The perfect visual explanation of what the machine does!! LOL Thanks!
I have a 2017 skandic.. i have these put on when I purchase the sled new... what settings do u have u set your suspensions at shocks and straps? I've played with it but not happy
I have the limiter dropped two holes from factory. The suspension shock is cranked to the second last notch. It still handles like crap but much better than before. I like my VK way better
I ran those for a couple years but had to go back to standard unfortunately. The bushings that kept the skis from flopping would wear out in about 500 miles and then the skis would become floppy and start darting causing the machine to become more unstable than ever. Just too much weight at a weird angle. They need to make the kit with stronger bushings to replace the existing ones
You are right about the bushings wearing out fast!
I just figured out why my bushings wore out. I did not adjust the limiter strap and suspension for the higher ski stance. This caused there to be a lot more weight and wear on my front end
Just took delivery on a new 2019 Skandic 900 ace. Should I expect the same stability problems with mine?
i don't know. It seems about halfc have no problems and half do and it seems to cover all the year models.
More of a question than a comment: Do you still use the widening kit on your sled ? if so , what have you found in the the four years since you installed it. Likes or dislikes ? Does the extra Height offset some of the advantages of the slightly wider stance ? Thanks Jack
I still have it on. I think it is harder on the skis but I don't want to go back to factory. The Anti Christ still tries to kill me but less frequently with the kit in.
@@TrappingIncTV Thanks !
Hey just wondering what tool you used to adjust the suspension?
The machine comes with a goofy multi tool in the tool kit. It is a cheap stamped thing and i had to grind the prongs just a hair to make them fit.
Thanks, I have a tundra I’m doing this project on as well
i want to see you go trapping______lol____ love your vids!
We are trapping pretty much non stop! Leaving again in 2 hours.
yay
I have some of these, I had to remove them, the ski pressure was way too high, it just darted like crazy.
Did you realign your skis after installing the kit? I had to on mine , the kit casued way to much toe in and excessive darting. Those big ski skins are gone as well they cause terrible darting in the right conditions.
Rich, I heard a story last year that someone got seriously hurt in Newfoundland because those extensions or alignment issues caused the flip.
So far as I can tell they help stop the flipping problem I had but it certainly might be an alignment thing. When I checked after the install the alignment was over 4" toe in! I only wish I had checked that before I did the extensions.
@@TrappingIncTV How did you check the alignment on your skis? I have a 2015 Skandic (with the same ski skins) and suspect the same problem. Also considering buying the widening kit. Your video is pulling me in that direction.
How would you rate this skandic to the tundra LT 600 withe narrower tracks ?
The Skandic is much more stable, has hi and lo range and pulls a lot more. Having said that I wouldn't buy either again.
How do you like the wider ski stance now?
Its better than it was for sure but not near as good as a modern suspension. I actually think getting rid of the wide ski skins will help me out on the instability.
I pick my Tundra up tomorrow I will have to see what it like. Thank you for replying and a very good video!
The whole idea of a narrow sled like the Tundra and Scandic is that you can get through places that a wider sled won't go. And also the tippiness allows you to throw the machine over when side hilling, creating a nice trail for later use. People need to learn how to ride them and understand the design, before they start whining about these things.
I'm glad you like your machine just the way it is! Here are my reasons for changing mine.
The last feature that was important to me was the narrow ski stance of the Skandic and the tippiness! LOL I bought it IN SPITE of those factors. Narrow ski stance is meaningless on my trap line for maneuverability anywhere 34" will go so will 40" it just isn't a real thing. While you certainly could lean over a 480 pound Tundra with a 14" track and 32" ski stance, I can't budge the 650 pound Skandic with the 20" track and 34" stance. Not even close. I've had lots lecture me on how you have to be on the throttle and utilizing track speed and rotation .... blah, blah blah! I'm always pulling a 10 1/2' toboggan and about 200 pounds. Side hilling is a silly dream! The first time that big old toboggan pendulums down behind you and and pulls that machine over on you the lesson is learned. I creep along in low gear day after day. I have 10,000 km on the machine and I'm pretty familiar with what it will and won't do. If I were to buy another skidoo it would be the expedition now that they have high and low manual gearbox and wide tracks and great big W I D E ski stance! LOL Cheers!.
@@TrappingIncTV Actually i don't have a Tundra or Scandic. I did have a 2017 Arctic Cat XT GS, and that's one heavy machine! Over 800 lbs fully fueled. Great work sled, and i do take it in the bush, which is hilly and mounds everywhere, and i takes all I've got to get that thing over so it doesn't go where i don't want it too! I'd like a Tundra so i can break a trail for the Bearcat. It's much lighter and nimbler than the cat. Get too steep of a hill and the cat doesn't want to go up. Good thing there's a winch on the front lol!
I did have an Elan when i was younger, so have experience with tippy sleds, and throwing my weight around.
I know that Bearcat very well! It is also the VK under the Yamaha badge. I put 2200 km on mine last season. Yes it is heavy but oh, so stable and rides so sweet!!!
Can anyone tell me what adjustments you need to do with the suspension if you put the widing kit on
For me I had to take some weight off the skis. So I lengthened the front limiter strap and cranked the suspension up a notch. You have to lay the whale on its side to this.
@@TrappingIncTV tks for the info i have the new skandic 2021 wt would you recommend the ski skins with the widing kit
@@carloscurtis6965 I would not recommend the ski skins. I ran them on mine for 2 years and took them off and threw them away.
actually its like 42" wide
Ps all the ski bushings failed in my with the extension's installed.. 1590kms on the sled.. i found out when the sled dumped me upside down on a lake.. striped the windshield and gps off her..
Was traveling 30 kms an hour hit a small chunk of ice on a gradual turn. Near killed me..
My Skandic ruined several sets of the ski bushings long before I put the widener on. For me the worst was the ski skins, I had to take them off they were dangerous on the lake with a crust or drifts!
@@TrappingIncTV on your recommendation I've just took my ski skins off see if it improves
I thought you drove a vk professional
this is my back up mahine
Вещь хорошая,и устойчивости больше. Да у нас в России это не продают 😞😞😞
That is too bad that is not available there. Have a great season!
the entire point behind the narrow stance is to make it way more maneuverable at speeds under Mach 1. you have to put less effort into shifting your weight and pulling the sled on an edge....in other words you can get your weight on one ski very easily and turn in small spaces. The reason behind the super wide stance of todays sleds are due to the big increases in power over the years and the big increase in more extreme backcountry mountain riding. Those sleds are a bitch to maneuver in the woods. Anyone that doesnt get that doesnt understand how to ride a sled. I would rather have a narrow stance Skidoo tundra over anything else. Of course I dont care to spend my time ripping at high speeds. The tundra stance is perfect for a working sled.
I drag a 11' x 40" toboggan all the time. I don't go mach 1, I can't. The 20" track and 200 pound toboggan make the "pulling an edge" a fantasy. It still tries to kill me everyday.
38 is still narrow
No argument here!
I thought you drove nothing but Argo's!!!1
LOL! I drove the Argo on the north loop last night, Was back at the cabin by 1 am. Today and tomorrow I need to make 240 km to finish the check so I switch to the snomo.