Steven-TX | Scientific Evidence For Islam And God | Talk Heathen 06.18
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2022
- Talk Heathen 06.18 for May 1, 2022 with Kenneth Leonard and Johnny P. Angel.
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My jaw dropped when he said that Muslims are fine with inquiry so long as you end up with Islam. He really said all that about being interested in science and didn't even hesitate to say something like that?
How do you not see that that's like saying "we're free to go anywhere we want, provided we don't want to leave this cage." That's not honest, open inquiry; if you were interested in truth, you wouldn't start with the conclusion like that.
that's religious thinking... You start out with the conclusion, and if reality doesn't comply, reality is wrong.
Like in the early days of automobiles where the ads said: "You can have any color you want so long as it's black". Can't argue with that logic.
“as long as you end up with islam.”
So they welcome inquiry, but not honest inquiry. What a surprise.🤡
The whole goal of islam is submission. Which is literally what islam means. That's all they want
I think he saw the problem with that
Why would anyone let a person who lived 1500 years ago dictate how to live 1500 years later?
With the American constitution, 250 years ago? Roe v wade, trying to take America back 1500 years?without hearing peoples opinion please stay self aware
Exactly
Because water enchanted with Quranic verses works better than medicine.
That is the whole problem in a nutshell.
@@redmed10 no, not really. There were fundamentally good ideas 1500 years ago (a lot earlier actually) which are still relevant. For example ideas revolving around not harming others, helping others, not having unfounded 'us vs them' mentality and experimenting with new ideas.
Problem is bad and old ideas, old makes bad ideas worse problems.
The Quran also mentions that the sun has a resting place, that should tell you everything you need to know about it’s science chops.
... using the Muslim technique of proving the validity of a book:
Mars has two moons, which were discovered by American astronomer Asaph Hall in August 1877.
In the book "Gulliver's Travels" published in 1726 Johnathan Swift tells the readers that Mars has 2 moons.
Conclusion: the book Gulliver's Travels must be true.
I love Steven's interpretation how stars falling must be poetic language for a supernova. There is absolutely zero evidence in that passage that suggests a link to massive bodies of plasma collapsing due to gravity and expelling huge quantities of stellar material, radiation, and neutrinos. It's special pleading at its finest, that these couple words must reference a complex corner of astrophysics developed over many decades through research, observation, and equations. He sounds somewhat earnest evaluating his beliefs, but that was such a reach his arm must have fallen off in the process.
Where as Matt/Shannon/JMike are the top tier of pure logical reasoning on these shows, Johnny and Kenneth are the epitome of logical irreverence. I love them. Sometimes these calls deserve a certain level of flippancy and these two are so good at doing it without making it feel more than just a little disrespectful.
the amount of astronomy that was done from Egyptians from the Greeks and the Romans before was even written
The question isn't just whether there are statements that can be interpreted as scientific truths, but what scientific theory the book offers.
The question is also what currently unknown scientific truths can be found in the Quran now, before science has found them?
@@cnault3244 That's a good one. How could you tell which statements are as yet undiscovered scientific truths?
Or what truths can be found in Harry Potter.
@@flipwright1138 Who did Hermione first kiss?
@@mobatyoutube I have no idea, but that's not my problem. Those Muslims who claim the Quran is full of scientific information should be able to present this information BEFORE current scientists discover it.
This is why every putative prophecy needs to be specific about time, otherwise all you need to do is wait long enough, and eventually some series of events will occur that might vaguely be interpreted as fulfilling it. The longer a prophecy is kicking around the more events occur that people can rationalize as being foretold by it.
Got this video recommended like two rows above news coverage of the Texas school shooting. The timing of the thumbnail is impeccable.
The thumbnail description of Texas Sharpshooter is dead on.
The way I see it scripture isn't even worth debating anymore we need to judge these so-called people by their actions
The Sahara desert use to be green too that proves nothing but the tilt of the earth changes and thus changes the weather and rainfall in areas
Nothing in Islam makes sense. Just because some of its incoherent ramblings match some aspects of actual reality means nothing. It only seems significant to people who have no evidence but need to find a way to mentally justify their beliefs. He straight up says it's hard not to see it since he was raised in it.
*Just because some of its incoherent ramblings match some aspects of actual reality* I think this should read _apparently_ or _coincidentally_ match.
If his ramblings are incoherent, they wouldn't match some aspects of actual reality; any that did would, by definition *not* be *incoherent* ramblings. Similarly, anything that matched some aspects of actual reality would, necessarily, make sense (in contraposition to your first sentence). I get what you're saying and I agree, for the most part....just being pedantic/pointing out that you've presented a self-refuting claim (that nothing in islam makes sense, but some of it matches some aspects of actual reality) *in fairness, I'm inferring that last bit, from the structure of your presentation; you don't explicitly say anything in Islam matches some aspects of actual reality....
live well
If you took a modern science textbook and appended a sentence at the end..."And also, magic is real." Would the demonstrable veracity of the rest of the textbook constitute evidence that the final sentence is correct as well?
uhhh....obviously....where the fuck have you been?!!! that question has a (nearly) self-evident response...seriously; try and keep up
lol
live well
Those primitive people are absolutely not talking about stars falling what they're calling stars is most likely asteroid or comet which would look like a falling star coming out of the sky not this supernova he gave
In what way does a super nova look like a falling star? Lol, never heard of a meteor shower? Definitely not what I would expect to hear from a professed "science nerd".
A science nerd that believes in god...
Funny that the god who supposedly knows everything failed to use the word nova or an equivalent.
To play the devil's advocate, in the leadup to a supernova there is a phase where the star's outer mass falls inward due to the star's core no longer expelling enough energy to overcome its own gravity. One could potentially describe this in poetic terms as the star "falling into itself".
At least, I'm reasonably sure that that is what the caller is referring to here if anything.
Such a respectful guest! This is refreshing.
His ‘stats fall’ reference just goes to show how off he is, and how desperate he is to have Islam be less a set of stories than the Bible is.
They saw ‘falling stars’ in the night sky and called them that. It has nothing to do with supernovas.
How come there has only been thirteen Muslim Nobel Prize winners?
12:00 is interesting. What he says is if you don’t know anything about Islam, you get to avoid hell-so the BEST thing Muslims could do it that’s true, is stop telling anyone about Islam, let the religion die, and everyone gets to be saved.
True. This is what I also always think when this comes up.
As usual, no evidence for any gods is given.😈
Should I have posted “Spoiler Alert”?
Can he scientifically explain why Allah's worshippers had to go to war?
From what substance were people made?
1. A blood clot ( 96:1-2 )
2. water ( 21:30 )
3. Burned clay ( 15:26 )
4. Dust ( 3:59 )
5. Nothing ( 19:67 )
6. Earth ( 11:61 )
7. A drop of thick fluid ( 16:4 , 75:37 )
Look at it however you want, this runs contrary to evolution, one of the bedrock of modern medicine.
clay is made out of silicon not carbon and where did the blood come from
The embryology passages in the Quran are clearly a version of Galen's texts. Galen (born 129 CE) was taught in the schools of the Middle East at the time, and it's likely that at least one of the prophet's companions was taught there
@@shinywarm6906 True, Al-Harith ibn Kalada, one of Muhammad's companions, seems to have studied medicine in Gundeshapur in pre-islamic times.
Thanks for the list. I always wanted to make one on my own but didn't have the time.
I just looked up 96:1-2 and actually ... if you look at the end of verse 96:1 and the beginning of verse 96:2, it somewhat looks like someone made a mistake there which they tried to hide.
The first line ends in the translation with "created---" and the second starts also with "created". But the long dash "---" in the first doesn't have an equivalent in the arabic quran version. So it kinda looks like someone accidentally put the word "created" in both lines. So it reads: "Read, in the Name of your Lord Who created created humans from a clinging clot."
And they possibly tried to hide this in the translation by putting the dash in between, so it's more like "Read, in the Name of your Lord Who created --- (he) created humans from a clinging clot." I mean, the passage seems to make more sense when you only read the second "created" and leave out the first.
@@joerdim Thank you for the Arabic perspective. In verse 18:90, the translation says that Dhul Quarnayn reached the rising spot of the sun and THERE he found a group of people suffering from the harshness of the sun.. Apologists argue that it appeared to him as if it's the rising spot and it was not the actual rising of the sun. Can you clarify this?
The caller’s interpretation or translation is off. Especially on the expansion of the universe
Don't leave things in your craw, Johnny.
If the quran actually mentioned "the universe" that would be somewhat compelling, but doesn't. The quote the caller is mentioning about the universe expanding says "The heaven."
TL;DR
Post hoc rationalisation
The sadness of religious brainwashing. Very pleasant fellow, with a crippled sense of inquiry. What a shame.
How do you get from "stars falling to earth" to "supernova"????
The muslim argument is always 'There's no way these ignorant people could have known this.' Arabia was a centre of learning and trade centuries before Mohammed - they knew all about Aristotle's work, Babylonian astronomy and Jewish/Christian theology. I'm really not sure 'We're too uneducated to have written the Quran' is the mike drop that muslims think it is.
It's an ever expanding tautology.
0:38 => Not the Universe, but Earth. Spread flat like a carpet, and would be rolled up like a carpet.
0:52 => This verse says that land and sky were joined, and Allah separated them.
4:40 => Stars will fall from sky, onto ground.
19:45 Johnny P. Cherub! Lol
why are we tiptoing around the fact that the caller's holy book is wrong..is it due to the fact that we are all afraid of being firebombed.also I am not able to mention the name of this religion...salman rushdie comes to mind. and 3,000 virgins in heaven for each man!
This guy is way off base. Just coincidences don't prove a god.
That’s cute. He thinks he knows science.
This lad contradicts and defeats his own premise, his own evidence and his own arguments.
Is this caller serious? Wow
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Final Solution.....EVIL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He wasn't a goat herder, he was a trader, a salesman.
Let's suppose those statements were known to be accurate by the author at that time. It couldn't be a more basic 30,000 ft look at the big bang theory. Even then, how do you get to the position that God is behind it all.
oh. my. Science! I honestly thought uou were the same perosn
"I'm a science nerd"
"Allah made everything out of water using magic"
???
Ahahahahahaha
"Evidences"....
Free yourself dude.
There is none.
I think this dude is a troll.
Verily thousts horse does shiteth in my ears.
No no no no you're extrapolating about the Quran you didn't know nothing about like nothing in depth about cosmology then is compared to We do now. So what you're doing is again painting the target around the arrow. You're saying well it could be all these things and it could be this. It could be that it doesn't mean anything
These two hosts are married to Dillahunty
Oh, did I miss the wedding? WTH does that mean?
Of course they are.....and you were the pretty bridesmaid at the wedding.
@@fatmaramadan6928 i was transmaid of honor
My wife is gonna be pissed when she finds out.
@@kennyleonard she is a real she?
Go tell that to the women in Afghanistan ffs! This guy is mental.