THE ONLY GOOD IS KNOWLEDGE. THE ONLY EVIL IS IGNORANCE. - SOCRATES the concept of God and the devil are a Metaphor Representation of good and evil the Duality of man's nature mankind is fully capable of doing good and and evil all by himself it's self Evident Without The fanciful Notion Of influence By imaginary supernatural beings.
Everything you said about Satan in this video he is in fact doing, how can you say that he is NOT doing it? Satan isn't hiding himself at all (and for the record neither is God) you are just blind to the things that Satan is clearly doing because you don't believe that he exists. How can you defend yourself against the tactics of something if you don't even believe in that something to begin with?
I find the Romantic view of Lucifer/Satan is amazing. It's basically showing God as a tyrant and Lucifer desiring his own autonomy. Most interesting is that in the Romantic literature Lucifer/Satan does not want to take the throne of God because it'd simply repeat the cycle.
@@themplar Genetically Modified Skeptic did a little review of that story and frankly, as an atheist, it intrigued me in ways only my then-religious mind was intrigued. I’m definitely adding it to my reading list.
Wouldn’t it be a slam dunk for Satan if he visibly manifests himself, thereby showing that he, unlike God, is actually able/willing to do so? “Look, here I am in all my malevolent glory!! So where’s your god? Why’s he oh so shy? Is he even real, mmm?” - 😈
Not sure if anyone else commented it, but my mind immediately fixated on the idea of ‘if Satan really is so prideful, why wouldn’t he forge a religion of his own? (a real one, not what fundamentalists come up with in their madness)’. Given hierarchical religion’s benefits to abuse and how thoroughly committed many are to religion, what actually would prevent the modern church(es) from being a concoction of Satan (in their worldview)? That would definitely satiate Satan’s pride after all. Only counters I can think of rn would involve individual doctrines, meaning each sect has to tear each other apart.
@@historiansayori2089 Just a guess, but are some accusing exactly what you are wondering? "We have it right. Everyone else is damned." Seems to be a repeated theme?
I haven't watched the video yet, but ive always found it funny that religious people automatically assume that if you're an atheist you worship satan😂😂 Im like " look , i don't believe in your imaginary friend, why on earth would i believe in your imaginary enemy? " It makes no sense
@@B1bLioPhil3 that sounds equally silly and frankly, made up. So because I don't believe in your imaginary friend, now I'm a self-absorbed egomaniac? Really? Why can't I just be a normal person who doesn't believe in God lol. If you actually have some evidence to support that assertion you'd better bring it up
@@B1bLioPhil3No, you worship nothing. Believe it or not, that’s actually possible. That certainly doesn’t prevent you from ALSO being a self-absorbed fool as the two aren’t mutually exclusive. But I’m guessing you didn’t really care and just wanted to throw out another (equally silly) claim.
Some traumatic phrases I have seen used in regards to Satan are, "Satan has really gotten his hooks in that person" or "Satan has lost but he is going to snarl and thrash and take as many people with him as he can" Then if anything bad happens or people are going through a trial I would hear, "This is a spiritual attack!" A couple times when I was young I had family shout, "Get out of here Satan! In the name of Jesus. You are not going to curse this house." After I left Christianity I asked what evidence there was for Satan. The response was, "Have you watched the news? How do you explain the bad things happening?" Apparently people doing bad things to each other is somehow evidence of a demonic angel.
This is my parents’ view. I’m not depressed; I’m harboring a demon of depression. My niece isn’t justifiably angry at her parents; she’s holding a spirit of anger. Every politician they disagree with is (most unwittingly, but some purposely) doing Satan’s will. It’s impossible to argue against
Quick background: I felt like my husband was cheating on me for a few years. Fast forward to April 2020 and we had my brother in laws church come out for marriage counseling. The first day the PStor spoke I realized how selfish I was being and my brain started to become thankful for all the steps that led me to where I was today despite all my drama and upsets-- I started crying in front of the pastor. He asked me if I was saved?! sure?? I don't know what you mean because I wasnt baptist, I grew up Catholic. Anyways... I was "saved" they said. And then 2 days later a random email came in to me and I found out that my husband had indeed cheated on me. my husbands brother told me it was Satan trying to split up our marriage just after I was saved. At that time I was shocked-- I felt it was God because I felt as of it was an answer to years of being insane thinking it was true. 😅😅😅 Satan and God are indeed whatever the hell we want them to be.
Why is God going to wait till the heat end (or thereabout) of the universe to punish Devil/Satan (erase sin/restore Eden and all the rest that goes along with it)? Often times Theists make statements such as "you just wait God will ultimately defeat the Devil in the end" or "Devil has already lost but the Devil does not know it yet." Things of that sort. But when the universe will keep going for another give or take 100 trillion years wouldn't ultimate punishments (and judgements) become rather meaningless (at least from a mortal perspective)? Praise God for he is slow to anger? Way, way, way too slow to anger!
This made me think of the quote "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing you he doesn't exist". How is that a trick though? He could appear as god and convince everyone he is?
100% true!!! Everything you said was FACTS. Even if the Devil actually existed truthfully he'd be considered better than God because God created him and allowed him to stay and corrupt his children, instead of stopping him!
Nah, we can tell the difference. Satan is better than god, he doesnt lie, doesnt kill, doesnt do any evil. Basing on the bible, its god who do all sorts of bad things. Satan didnt even do any shit, yet he was already pinned as the bad guy from the get go.
@@jpstardom3375i mean,satan did kill some people in the book of job and he is notorious for lying,so most of it is God aproved so they get to share the blame
I'm glad you talked about this subject today. I thought about this in the past. I was wondering why Satan is not performing real miracles in false religions in order to deceive people to belong to them, and why when he lost the battle in heaven, God cast him to Earth not Jupiter, not Saturn, nor the Sun for that matter, but it had to be Earth. Where he can make the most damage to the most precious creatures of God, it can't be that God didn't know anything about astronomy and the existence of other billions of celestial bodies out there.
Just when I think I’ve heard all of the insights, I read something like this from you. I love it. The universe is billions of light years across with billions of planets, but God cast Satan out of Heaven and down on to … Earth. 🤦🏻♂️ Doh!!
LOL “Why didn’t God cast Lucifer down to Jupiter?” I LOVE IT! What a great question! Of course, Christians would probably come back with something like, “Well, Satan is an angelic being and can go anywhere,” but it does make them contort themselves even further, and it’s fun watching how much they have to twist their beliefs around to make it all work.
@@CharlesPayet If Satan is angelic and can go anywhere that just shows the sheer power he’d have. To be a fallen angel and essentially be given his own domain in Hell, that seems to me he’s got ridiculous power for someone so evil. Something can be said of how America after WW2 pardoned German rocket scientists in order to fuel their own interests. Hitler and his goons threw the world into chaos and millions died yet the US pardoned a few of them? Seems like God essentially did the same with Satan. But Satan wasn’t helping build rockets, he was helping spread God’s evil. Or maybe, and disappointingly, it’s all imaginary characters and humans really are just pieces of shit for turning a blind eye to atrocity.
Well actually, Non Alcamist, alludes to this. Miracles in themself does not mean Jesus is the messiah let alone God. Numbers suggests God - yahway, performs miracles through him, but to deceive ( wrong religion) this could then include reserection. Further, kinda freaky, in Zachariah, J rock is prophesied But as a false prophet. Now on to motivations.yah is definitely a jealous God. The number 1 sin in yaws eyes is polyperverse paganism. Christianity is the worst. Pneumatic polyperverse polytheism that is. Not one, not two, but three supreme beings.The ultimate moral default position of humanity.
You know how Christians say that we’re on Satan’s side, or that we worship him, or that “a freethinker is Satan‘s slave”? How would they react if atheists started badmouthing Satan? Like really offending his legendary, mythological, pride in the most public and humiliating way. Then follow up with quips like, “would Satan rebuke Satan?” Or, “If I’m supposed to be Satan’s slave, then what do you think a slave owner would do if he caught his slave insulting him? He’d beat his slave to death in front of the other slaves to teach them a lesson. Where’s this devil? Is he so dedicated to lulling you into a false sense of atheism that the PRINCE OF PRIDE is willing to be humiliated by his slave?” It would blow their noodle for an atheist to insult the devil’s pride, and for nothing to happen to us! They would have to get REALLY obvious with their double think and other thought control tactics to try to propaganda away the fact that his “slaves” are taking the Mickey out of him and he’s not doing anything about it.
@@theboombody It's not a religion. They don't believe in a literal figure of Satan and don't worship anything. It's basically a humanist society. Satan is used symbolically to stand for rebellion against indoctrination any kind.
That's a topic I haven't seen discussed ever, thanks for that. As for divine hiddenness, it can probably easily be explained by the fact that god lost his first hide and seek game against Adam, and it's simply taking it's revenge with all of us. Prove me wrong.
Another fun thought experiment is what powers does Satan actually possess? How exactly does he influence people. Like - is Satan using telepathy? Can Satan read your thoughts? Is he all places at all times like God?
@@ronaldflint681 That's just the thing: Satan basically IS a god. Yes, a lesser god than God, but still a god. Everything about him makes more sense when you think of him this way. He is the Evil God, lesser than the Good God sure (because it'd be hard to sell a religion where the Evil God is stronger, anyway). The Good God allows him to do battle against him for vast cosmic reasons, and this is the explanation for natural evil. His motives are irrational and nonsensical because he is defined as the Good God's opposites, and the Good God is rational and wise. He delights in doing wicked things -- which is odd to think about in and of itself, not many people delight in that kind of thing -- because the Good God delights in good things. It probably comes to Christianity through Judaism influenced by Zoroastrianism.
@@UryvichkI m sorry bro, devil is devil , there is nothing godlyness or holiness in him. He is basically a dick, god made him perfect, but out of his pride , he thought he would be a better fit than god ,hence the battle started, he was casted out from heaven , he deceived Adam and eve . Now , again he is deceiving mankind , exploiting their material weakness and using it to lure them to path of darkness which ultimately causes destruction in their life.
@@SDRicky This "vizier tries to overthrow the King" narrative makes no sense if the King is omniscient, omnipotent and indestructible, and the vizier knows it. BTW, if Lucifer could live in the direct presence of Yahweh in a perfect Heaven (no "sin" yet, no cries of the damned) and still fall, what makes you think _you_ won't? The Heaven you go to will not ever be as perfect, because existence is permanently marred by sin and damnation. Since it's a ratchet (beings that fall from Heaven can't return and no one ever gets out of Hell), and there is an _eternity_ for you to have a wrong thought or miss sex or chafe against life in Celestial North Korea, it's only a matter of time before _everyone_ ends up in Hell.
Always wondered why god only banished satan, instead of destroying him? PLUS, how great could heaven be if jealousy, anger,hatred, and VIOLENCE occured in 'paradise'?🤔
Also, if the Christian God is timeless and spaceless, as I often hear, how is it possible to rebel against it? What does that even look like? If it is spaceless, there is nowhere to "fight" and if it is timeless, it exists in an eternal "now" where nothing can ever change or be changed.
i tried to tell a former girlfriend that there is no devil or demons, and she looked at me like i was the most wicked person ever. sadly the relation didn't last long.
Glad you got out when you did! My sweetheart has an expression uttered periodically while watching movies or hearing stories of people's past dating experiences and I've always thought it was great advice: "Don't stick it in the crazies!"
I'm 14 now Sometimes I wonder what would happen if my friends found out I was still an atheist (Like the first time I said I didn't rlly believe in god they just kinda bombarded me w/questions & feeding me a lot of bad faith arguments but I stayed queit cuz I didn't wanna start more drama like the whole GC was talking at this point on me being agnostic-) Their all christian & a week or 2 ago my friend legit said to her friend that she would not hesitate to drop their friendship if he continued being bisexual & everyone who saw her say that didn't say nun so I'm rlly thinking I'm bout to lose my whole friend group if they found out I was agnostic 😭
In order to create fictional superhero characters, you also need to create fictional super-villain characters. It is abundantly clear that the Jesus Christ character had to be given a bad guy to fight, or else he would have no purpose.
@@MindShift-Brandon You claim to be an ex-Christian, yet you have no correct knowledge of the bible to begin with. You don't even know that the Kingdom of Heaven is Jesus' 1000 year reign on Earth and Jesus' referring to cutting of the right hand if it offends and going into the Kingdom of Heaven maimed is referring to the Mark Of The Beast during the Tribulation Period which will be taken in the right hand. Want to know what I suggest that you do... Get truly saved to begin with and then watch the bible teachings of Robert Breaker who teaches the bible in a rightly divided manner as stated in 2 Timothy 2:15 and acquire some true bible knowledge for a change instead of the obvious incorrect junk that you have in your head when it comes to Christianity.
Agreed. A calm and collected argument is more effective than being aggressive. Aggression (e.g. raising your voice/yelling) is what most single minded people want to happen.
I think a much better point to make is to reference a horror movie i saw a while back. Cant remember the title, but basically this demonic witch cures a woman of her inability to speak. Then cures a whole bunch more people. This is all because if they worship her instead of God, theyll all be damned to hell. The only issue being she kept on doing spooky scary shit to the main protagonist. If shed just not been hostile, been purely benevolent, no one would have been driven to investigate her. So if i were Satan, I'd just to that. Id be a great healer of worshippers. Preforming tangible confirmable miracles in the modern age would make my divinity indisputable. Everyone goes to hell, i win. Checkmate God!
Someone has already thought of that. It's in Revelation. He's expected to do that, get a bunch of people to believe and worship him, then they'll lose that battle against Jesus and go to Hell.
Except setan is not at all benevolent, he is malevolent as fuck. Yes ther r benevolent spirits and witches for sure, but setan is not in that list for sure.
@SDRicky Satan apparently lacks the ability to simply smite _everything_ in a global deluge, or even just Bangladesh every year in particular. If he's evil incarnate, then what could be *more* evil, or more cruel than tricking people into doing the very thing that apparently will force God into punishing _them_ for doing it? All the silly dopey people believe they're cementing their spot in heaven. Just making God apoplectic with rage at their actions. From an objective standpoint, that's hilariously cruel. If he is at all motivated to be cunning, and from what I hear that is the case, then it would be trivial for Satan to trick most. If not all the people, humans are delightfully gullible. Although, the fact that he doesn't sort of brings forth the 'problem of happiness' argument against his existence, but that's for another day.
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he didn't exist." Oi, I couldn't resist, mate! 😁 But seriously, one question that I always had, even back when I was super devout, was why Satan would actually do...well...anything. Like, if the wickedness that *you're* inputting to the world is only hastening your own damnation, then wouldn't it be wiser to just chill and not do anything? 🤔
@@whitemountainapache3297 He could definitely just skip out of playing the role he's assigned in the Book of Revelation. No "Antichrist," no Mark of the Beast, no Armageddon--thus, no final triumph of Jesus, no Last Judgment, no Hell. If Satan and the demons "chill" (or just head off into space), they _win._
I've been wondering about that "angel of light" thing for some time. I didn't know it was in the bible. It seems to me that if Satan really wanted to be effective, he'd make earth a paradise. Help humans achieve utopia in the most secular way possible. People would be less inclined to turn to God if they didn't have so much doubt and fear. And he could do it unabated because apparently god isnt going to step in. I don't see why Satan would need to make the planet more evil. It would make way more sense to make it more good, without religion. Or at least, without Christianity.
Wouldn’t it make even MORE sense for Lucifer to show up under a different name and spouting a completely different origin story and use his abilities to be the deity of the Earth? By being present and doing things, he could even pretend to YHWH if he really wanted to and since the absentee father and runaway son are no longer physically present, who could know different?
I dunno, maybe he owns a Night Club in Los Angeles. Another thing. How do the believers know what they think is the presence of the Holy Spirit isn't actually the Presence of Satan? Pretending to be the Holy Spirit seems like the sort of thing he'd do.
Well that's exactly what needs to be sorted out. In order to discern them it takes practice. You have to be able to see in real-time every moment what is causing the suffering that's present. It's always there, even in the background.
The one thing I find glaringly obvious is the fact that all of these stories in the bible and the arguments for the existence of the Christian god completely fall apart with the claim that this god is all knowing. You've touched on this before, so I know I don't have to explain why that is such a big problem.
Satan and god hide, like smurfs, kobolds, unicorns, and pixies hide. I was a christian once, 45 years ago, but as soon as my brain kickstarted in my early teens, I recognized christian theology for what it was: irrational, twisted and evil, and utterly childish.
The actual reason for Satanic hiddenness: Satan had a head-smack moment, and asked himself, "What are we _doing?!_ Why try to compete with Jesus for human souls, that's ridiculous! Jesus already said that 'broad is the way that leads unto destruction and many are those who find it, but narrow is the path that leads to salvation and few are they that find it,' so he's already _admitted_ he'll lose on points. And that's nothing to do with us devils, it's how _he_ set the 'paths' up. "So why should we stick around, play by the Book, and keep fighting a war we can't win? What if we all just take off and go surf the Orion Nebula? If I don't do the whole 'Antichrist' thing, he can't play out his Apocalypse narrative, win at Armageddon, and seize ultimate power. The humans get to keep living their lives, and he can't ever hold his Last Judgment and send them--or us--to Hell! "If we just leave, we _win!"_
I think the main Christian response to the hiddenness of Satan is that he only does what God allows him to do (usually referencing Job). If he seems so hidden, it's because God requires him to be hidden. Basically they kick the question back to God's divine hiddeness. For me, the biggest problem with Christian's view of Satan is how subtle he can be. You covered this very well in the Tangled Theology video. Basically there's no limit to how much our heart can deceive us. There's no limit to how insidious the devil can be in deceiving us. There's no limit to how deceived we can be in interpreting the Bible (ala Pharisees) . And in some cases, God himself can deceive us in order to fulfill a greater plan. The way Christians tell you to combat each one is to overly rely on the others. It really seems unworkable to me.
Good job on this!!😊 I like to point out how the plans of the most evil mastermind ever conceived are so easily thwarted by people learning to make better decisions and educating themselves. Maybe 'evil' is just terrible decision making and selfishness, and not a being.
when i studied the the bible , it says that the heart / mind of man is wicked and deseitful above ALL else, so are the mind of man evil above ALL else or a supernatural evil being created by god? Cant be both! Either way if its us who are the most evil or a supernatural being god must have had evil in his heart first witch makes god the author of most evil and deseitfull above all else anyways. Make it make sense🤯
I grew up in the 80's and 90's. Satan isn't hidden. He gives explicit instructions to impressionable young children when you play Black Sabbath, Beatles and Led Zeppelin albums backwards according to the panic of the day. Ie. Stairway to Heaven: Here's to my sweet Satan / The one whose little path would make me sad whose power is Satan, / He'll give you, ... I've listened to this tons of times. Never figured that out. Maybe I was just to stoned. Keep up the good work Brandon.
_"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - The Usual Suspects_ (1995) That's my Evangelical Christian parents' answer every time this subject comes up.
Well, it's not much of a trick to convince people that you don't exist when you're invisible, is it? Zeus, Apollo, Odin and Osiris all seemed to pull off the same "trick".
@@tulpas93 The character of Lucifer (Satan) proves to me that the implication of heaven is terrifying in multiple ways... #1 From WHAT cosmic horror does Heaven and God need so much protection that God felt the need to populate his kingdom with these warrior beings, who, by the way, ended up... #2 ...committing mutiny and being cast into Sheol (Hell)? Why would these ANGELS become discontent with GOD himself if Heaven is such a lovely place? How is that possible in an eternal "paradise"? It also suggests that... #3 God needs to rebuild a "New Jerusalem" (new Heaven after an angel war messed up the first Heaven?) and wants to add his followers to Heaven, why? Is he recruiting only the most loyal, faithful, and worthy into Heaven; is that so God can rebuild his army? (Half of God's cosmic army was lost in the Angel war in Heaven when God cast Satan and his followers into Sheol.) Does this mean the "false gods" mentioned in the Bible are actually a threat to God? (See #1) Never mind... #4) ...how did Lucifer (Satan, aka "the snake") even get into Eden? Was he trying to "poison" them with the Knowledge of Good and Evil? Is that what Lucifer did to his fellow Angel followers to make them rebel against God in Heaven? Did they realize something they were doing was "Evil" the way religious people sometimes do before becoming atheists? #5) The Divinely Hidden (even if one believes) means there's something about God that "He" himself considers "blasphemy" to merely discuss. #6) The more I learn about any religion, the more I think our religious-minded ancient ancestors had a lot of "cosmic horror" anxieties. Just look what Christianity did for Hypatia, Copernicus, Galileo, etc, etc... TLDR: The whole problem of "Satan" poses some genuinely horrific questions!
Excellent. These are the specific questions I like to honestly interrogate a belief system, particularly religion. Something I always wondered about how the religious deal with people with disabilities. There are some really disturbing ways that the religious prey upon those with disabilities and their families, both trying to bring them into their religion and also claiming it's a curse at the same time.
OUR FATHER AND LORD JESUS ARE NOT A RELIGION,they are beyon all churches,and religions..IF you knew them you'd understand why...Everyone claims to know them,BUT VERY FEW REALLY DO...
@thomasjefferson4492 Claim claim claim. Once again attacking someone for not trying to reach out to your God in a sincere manner. Shut up. It's getting old and you're wasting your breath here.
That's the interesting thing about Christ's death on the cross. If indeed his death allows redemption from ALL sin then even Satan should be redeemable. The only answer they can rely on unless they want to admit to Satan's redeemability is that he will never seek redemption.
This is one of my favorite subjects in theological discussions! I love to ask believers how they know if they are receiving a message from a godly source or demonic. They don't have any good answers, they have answers just never good ones and typically super shallow. The most common I hear is some version of "If leads to something good, then its from god!", which obviously if I were a demon hiding as an angel, then I would just lead to something good so I can lead to evil later. Like, its painfully obvious how little thought it takes on that answer. Also, if satan were real and does do all the things that he supposedly does, then we should be seeing tons of people being prolific devil worshippers who have enormous power. Instead, we get the opposite. In the end, there is no actual way (that I have ever been presented) to determine the sender of a divine message. For angel/demon, god/satan, or even just god/odin.
@@TheIronicRaven Well it's demonstrated by a new heart of flesh willing to obey God and trying to fight temptation by the power of Holy Spirit which is very important because if we sin as Christians the world will have a chance to blaspheme God, and doing good deeds so people may glorify God.God loves you become Christian it's good for your health in all points my friend!
@0raganslessthanJesus yeah I spent 27 years as a christian, a new heart isn't a demonstration that he exists. It's a demonstration that someone has internalized the doctrine. I became happier and healthier (objectively in both cases) once I left Christianity
@@TheIronicRaven Well a Christian can't be lost so I hope you come back to your savior and Holy brother Jesus Christ and you will because once a Christian always a Christian!
One thing I never understood, even as a Christian, was Satan being released again after the millennium, according to Revelation. I never got an adequate answer to that question.
@@MindShift-Brandon It used to be,as a Christian, that if I ran into an apparent contradiction in the Bible, or if I didn't understand or was confused about some passage, I would go running for an apologetic book for the answer(s), or for the nearest apologetic youtube video. After a nervous breakdown, some 16 years ago, that all,ever so slowly,started to change.At some point I decided to read the Bible with an open mind and with the least amount of biases that I could.That journey came to a climax eventually, and I woke up to find I was an atheist-about six or seven years ago,and there's no looking back.Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there's no putting it back in.
Brandon, everything you say in this video, as well as in all of the other videos in this channel, makes sense. Thanks for sharing your brilliance with us!
Don't let this go to your head.. lol I'm kidding. You seem humble. Keep up the good work. You are very well spoken, and I'm impressed with your ability to produce great content over and over!
During my deconversion, I prayed to Satan asking him to show up. I was willing to serve him and do damage to the Christians I'd grown to hate. I didn't really think he was going to show up, but I wanted to give him a chance in case I was wrong in starting to doubt that God/Jesus existed. Not long later, I finally just decided none of it was real and became an atheist.
I loved this video! I’ve had the same thoughts for years. It seems like Satan is more powerful than god, since he’s capable of “ripping people away” from their faith in god. Satan shouldn’t care about following gods rules. Ie: staying hidden. It would make MUCH more sense if he appeared and blatantly told us that god was b.s. and that we’d end up way better off following him rather than such an impotent god, like the god of the Christian Bible. Another fantastic video! So concise, such an easy to understand dialog! Well done!!
I love how you started out focusing on the inconsistencies between OT and NT regarding Satan. You would think that alone might make people wonder if he’s that big of a deal.
As I was deconstructing, Hell was the nail in the coffin. When I let go of that, I felt totally broken. I could no longer believe. I no longer felt I knew who I was or where I fit in. I tried a Universalist approach as I was grieving to seek out a feeling of belonging, but it was short lived. I've always been a supernatural skeptic, but today, I feel less anxiety about the world as it is than ever, while my family members are interpreting spiritual battles everywhere.
Just yesterday I saw a historic play about the devil trying to sow discord in a marriage and how we all need to watch out for that. 😂 Nice moral lessons as taught in the 17th century
@MindShiftSkeptic-.I don't know how to write you a direct message. Maybe I can't find how to because I'm on my phone right now. Anyway, thought I'd respond here and check later on my PC if I can send you a Private message if that's what you meant. (I'm not sure because the text seems to be crossed out)
Omgosh I love this channel and your other so damn much!!!! You talk about everything I’ve been thinking for about a year now especially in the last few months, but you’ve put it into words and dissected concepts that have really bothered me for a long time. As a Christian I thought atheists were just angry, militant, bitter and just wanted to live immorally guilt free. Maybe it’s because I was only presented with a certain type of Atheists through Christian programming idk. but recently I’ve encountered so many great atheist channels that have made excellent rational arguments not out of hostility or emotions but just on a quest for truth. Interestingly enough the channels I really like tend to have in common the fact that they all come from a strong Christian background and are highly knowledgeable about what’s in the text, the Christian doctrine and the tactics the churches use to cover up inconsistencies. Bart Erhman was the first atheist I ever listened to and felt like he really made a strong case against the NT and I was pleasantly surprised by how likeable he seemed. He was the beginning of my journey out of Christianity.
Way too kind. Thanks so much for the encouragement and for being here. Glad you are seeing the other side more clearly than how we are programmed to view it. Wishing you well on this journey and feel free to reach out if you need anything.
Ever since I've become an atheist, people have accused me of being a Satanist. They think that since I don't worship God, I must worship the devil. I don't worship Satan because he doesn't exist, nor do I believe he exists. I have given Satan plenty of opportunities to show up and show me with undeniable empirical evidence that he does exist. I've asked several times to bring to my doorstep, 1,000 coors banquets, my favorite beer, for free, and drop them off at my doorstep. If he does that, I will worship him and curse God for the rest of my days. Since Satan has failed to do so, I will continue to not believe in him. I will continue to be a free thinking atheist who uses logic to reason.
I am trying to write a screenplay about Jesus vs Satan and I am having a hard time coming up with reasons they are fighting that don't sound like plot holes. Especially because Satan is supposed to be the bad guy of the story.
Brandon: when you cover the history of Satan, would you look into the stories that arose surrounding the planet Venus? I know that the Romans called the morning star version of Venus "Lucifer" and the evening star version of Venus "Vesper", but it seems like an obvious correlation that when people were looking at the brightest star in the evening sky and noticing that it never got a chance to cross the heavens like the other stars did, that this could have been the impetus for a story of a super-bright, arrogant angel that kept getting thrown out of the heavens.
The argument that Satan wouldn't want people to know he existed because they'd turn around and worship God made so much sense as a Christian. Now it's so obviously ridiculous.
I really enjoy your Sunday videos and this one was particularly interesting. I hope you'll do a little more on the subject later on cause I don't think I've heard this take before and it's sorta got me giggling cause it's fun to turn arguments around like that. Especially after that response to Winger. Your channel is still new but I think you're doing an amazing job with all your content 🔥
Because I have heard the lies spoken about me! So tell me if you were me and in a world like this having a bad reputation knowing everything said about wasn't even true would you just be ignorant and go out to the world or would you sit back watch and be smart then make a move? Because I'm not here to destroy the world like they claimed I'm actually here to destroy them for misleading my father's people and taking advantage of your free will so be patient sit back and trust that I A'M Watching and listening. And the rolls that you named are not my rolls given by my father. Im not evil I'm meant to punish those who do evil.-Lucifer
And I apologize if this is scary getting a comment from the literal Lucifer but I watched some of your vids and you got a point,but this one has definitely caught me by surprise.
Great video! I think it's kinda funny how some Christians blame everything that goes wrong in their life or the world on Satan. Sometimes, it sounds like he is more omi-present then God.
It’s amazing you have only started this channel, if I’m correct, in April of this year! Congratulation! Confirmation that the world, or at least many many many more people are waking up to the truth! Thank you so much for your work! I look forward to listening to your videos every day! I’m not very techy, can you make your Patreon or page to donate money to your channel easier to find.
Oh Mindshift, the spirit told me that satan came to earth for a satan impersonation contest and didn't even qualify for the top 1000. He's been hiding due to the shame. 😂😂😂 Thanks for another awesome video. 🎉👌
This was something I had not given much thought to, but you opened a whole new door about the twists and turns we will go thru to hold on to our social set. Church is all important, groups, social net works, our church family, etc. We can say, I don't worry about hell, Jesus is love, Jesus would not do that etc. Or, say, I don't worry about hell, I'm saved. What Jesus says, commands in the bible gets dismissed, if it doesn't fit our life style and we latch onto what does. All for the love of community, and I understand how DNA central that is, we are social beings. And church is ready made for that. Good vid and mind blowing thoughts.
wow, i'm kinda over this entire discussion BUT man, your presentation, argument, delivery, and genetic lottery level voice made this entire presentation a satanic masterpiece of persuasion. great job, now i have to once again revisit my personal beliefs on god, 🍌
God is all-powerful and all-knowing. He knows the past and he knows the future. Why would he let a creature like Satan exist in the first place? A being that would work against his teachings and that would try to turn people against him? And even if he did do it and later realized (not all-knowing) that he had messed up, why didn't he snap his fingers in order to make Satan disappear?
Yeah, this is something I've struggled with for years. Especially growing up as an Adventist. My whole life, I've understood the concept of faith, but the demonic and Satan encounters never made sense. I grew up with pastors saying they've been in houses with the devil. My own father said an entity picked him up the stairs. But as time moved on I realized that all of them were lying for dramatic effect or mixing up dreams. We've come to a point in society that we recognized that a lot of lying occurred, and especially with having cameras with 24/7 surveillance. Most of the myths have been debunked, most of the sightings were explained, and the goal post has to be moved more.
Wow. Fantastic The constant hiddenness is so gosh darned annoying. It it so refreshing to jump into any of your videos and hear common sense and logical, rational discourse. So sick of the fluffy and insubstantial nonsense. Leaps of faith....right....so exhausted with leaping. Thank you.
Mindshift is my favorites. I've watched atheist programming for 20 years and im so sick of callin shows that i almost never tune in anymore. This is religious education. I hope a lot of young people find this channel. They can learn without having to try to defend themselves.
Another great video! ❤🎉😊 Sometimes the stories about Satan remind me of some person, way smarter than me, talking about vampires. Or werewolves...etc. This very smart person was trying to calculate the damage those creatures could do, if they could actually do all the things the stories said they could do. The smart person figured out, that if the vampire, werewolf etc, were real doing the damage the stories about them said they could do... The human population would be wiped out within just a few generations. Satan, vampires, werewolves, demons... Boogeyman... Primal fear. Magical thinking. Superstition. Love what you do. ❤🎉🎉
Love ya Brandon my brother in TRUTH and thank you so much for all your hard work and time you put in to these videos... it's greatly appreciated 🌹...I send them to my Christian family members hoping they'll wake up and snap out of their comatose frame of mind and their cognitive dissonance. Even as an Atheist I STILL attend church every Sunday...I attend The Church Of The Holy Mattress🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh yeah as a Christian I had demons and Satan attacking, they were under every rock, around every corner, and flying around everywhere, beware of Satan! Well there aren't any demons attacking and flying around me any more as an Atheist and I no longer have fear in my life... it's so ironic. In my daily life I never have to dwell on thoughts about Satan and demons...I don't think about any of that garbage at all and it's never on my mind. It's so AWESOME to be TRULY FREE from all that slavery and bondage... Christian's are slaves to both an imaginary Jesus and Satan and it's really sad...I feel sorry for them. They give glory to Satan and God at the same time in their minds constantly. It's so ironic how Satanists DON'T believe in Satan and DON'T worship him because they know he doesn't exist but yet Christian's are all wrapped up with Satan and demons... it's no way to live life at all.
@@B1bLioPhil3 Yes I feel sorry for you...I use to be just like you for over 30 years and now I'm so happy and grateful to be out of the INSANITY of Christianity... it's an addiction just like a drug... it's a virus, a poison and a mental illness. It's sad and pathetic. Christianity evolved and came from ancient mythological cults. It's a human sacrifice blood magic death cult. The Christian god Yahweh is an evil tyrannical, sadomasochistic, psychopathic, maniacal, genocidal, infanticidal, slaughtering, torturing, mass murderer lunatic who endorses, condones, slavery, and authorized rape, child brides, sex trafficking, torture, the slaughter of innocent people including children and infants, he was the first abortionist who had pregnant women's wombs sliced open with swords and having their unborn ripped out of their wombs, he was racist, a thief, a homophobic insidious, deceptive, lying, psycho and even broke his own commandments over and over again. Christian's don't know any of this because they don't know the Bible. They don't read the Bible and don't research and study anything about it because they're lazy. We X-Christian Atheists KNOW the Bible inside out, cover to cover and have done thousands of hours of extensive and intense research on it. It was the Bible itself that turned us into Atheists because it's the most evil immoral book ever written and is most definitely not the word of god. Christianity is the biggest hoax and scam ever perpetrated on humanity...the Bible itself is nothing but propaganda, mysticism, witchcraft, sorcery, magic, astrology, gamatrial codes, it's all mythology, legend, folklore and nothing more...do the research. Do the research and know your bible inside out, then you'll find that everything I'm saying here is pure honest TRUTH.
The same reason all the other thousands of gods like to hide. You’d think there’d be a single one who actively makes itself known with humans, but alas.
Angels sat with god and still didn't seem all that convinced or impressed. No reason for satan to be coy with humans when he made the bold move to commit mutiny against god and his heavingly court
Hypothetically: if he showed up in person he might scare people out of sinning, but if he just influenced or possessed key people, or just disguised himself as a human he could have quite an effect. Actually, that might explain a few things. Kidding.😉
The Bible, as many other ancient literature are very entertaining and shows us how people used to think in the past. How they understood their place on earth, their values and their wants. Very insightful but of course, just myths.
Fun discussion! When I gave up finding god I looked for Satan. I determined I wouldn’t want to worship the bible’s god anyway, but if demons were real I would gladly trade my soul for some power in life. Surprise, surprise, no demon popped up to make a deal with me.
Not that I'm on board with the implication, but this brought to mind the observation (variously attributed): "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
As a child, every doubt was from Satan, and if he were to appear it would actually make the doubt conscious. Staying hidden in unconsciousness was pretty effective.
Another great take and reasoning - not heard this one - only gods hiddenness - you would have thought Lucifer - to do maximum damage would show himself…
In a game theory type sense: if my opponent hides themself but wants to be believed in, knowledge of me and my opposition acts as proof positive that they exist. If God is hidden, Satan's move to make sure people don't believe should be not acting in physically discernable ways. If you don't see God or Satan, it's reasonable to assume neither exists. If you see one then it follows that it should be just as reasonable to believe the other exists.
Your videos are so refreshing to me, calming some of the emotions from inner deeply ingrained patterns. I don’t know if you were involved with teaching in the church, but I’d definitely say you have “a calling” on here 😂 and I’m truly grateful. I used to think “The Screwtape Letters” by CS Lewis were really profound- they popped into my head as you were talking and I suddenly realised i had been crudely manipulated by a clever man with clear objectives in mind when writing it! My brain just suddenly saw it in a flash when you were talking lol. Or MAYBE just maybe THAT was the devil and he did show up to put that thought in my head (teehee), nope wasted too many years thinking like that
which makes no sense to me. Its a great quote for sure, and i get maybe hiding from already "evil" nonbelievers. But there is 0 point of hiding from the believer.
I just had a thought what could be another interesting topic for you to respond to. Its just a thought that came up, so if its nonses just ignore. There are some UA-cam Channels out there showing all sorts of supposed supernatural stuff. Much of that, of course, is nonsense, and some of it certainly are fakes... But I think that mayby this topic of supernatural experiences that are not just happening at night to one person could be interesting to explore and learn more about.. For example there is a channell called "Slapped Ham" that shares all sort of stuff.. ' When I was about 12 years old I had a somewhat odd experience with another friend of mine.. We were just playing hide and seek in a dark room and for some reason he stopped playing and just stood around. So I asked him whats the matter, and he responded that he saw some darkk figures on the other side of the room.. Apparently he used to have such kind of experiences... I thought he was just making this up, but asked how excactly they looked like, and the way he described them they did the excact same thing as I did, just on the other side of the room... So I made an experiment and did things behind his back that he couldnt see, and he went inside the room and could tell me what I did behind his back, or him even not being there at all... I have no idea what that was or how to explain it, but think that several things are possible, also a more founed view that simply shows how our brains may be capable of more than we may think.. I think Freud explained that such things simply were expressions of our subconsious mind... Mayby thats one of the things we benefit from once we understand the laws behind it. Anyways, just a thought if you ever run out of ideas.. It seems many people experience things togther that are difficult to explain, also when it comes to UFOS and stuff like that, and I am very open to there being good explanations to it... just didnt find them all yet :)
I remember my preacher once sayimg that unlike God, Satan wasnt omni present, meaning he could onle be in one place ar a given time. If thats true, what are the odds any one of the billions of people would ever encounter him?
I'm agnostic. I used to be Christian. I left not because of the Hell thing, but because of the hiddenness problem (when I needed him the most, he wasn't there). With that said, as a native Greek speaker, I can confirm the Hell of the NT is not eternal torture. It "appears" to be annihilation. There's some ambiguity to interpretation of some of the words. But we know what it is not: eternal torment of any sort (definitely not physical. You can make a case that there's mental anguish which is self inflicted, which I guess you can argue is still from God, but I'm not sure the words lend themselves to that interpretation either). For me, it's just being honest about what the book says. If people become agnostic, or atheist, I would rather they do it for legit reasons, rather than fear in a torture that was never said there anyway.
I've heard it argued that the reason God created mankind was so that he'd have worshipers who had freewill, and could choose to worship him of their own volition. But, if the angels can literally rebel, and choose to leave Heaven, isn't that freewill also? If Angels have free will, and choose to stick around to worship God, then why did God create humans in the first place?
@@Mkeusquealbby Exactly. Pride is a deadly sin, but the father of all creation did so just so he'd have lower beings to tell him how awesome he is for eternity.
it's amazing that god let lucifer take all those angels with him, amazing that he let satan be, satan. pretty sure the theist will trot out some 'freewill' nonsense,but we're talking about spiritual deities.
I'm an atheist but let me play devil's advocate (lol). One reason I can think of about Satan remaining hidden. Is that blatant proof of his existence would lead others to conclude that God is real, and make his job of corrupting everything far more difficult. Strategically it'd be better for him to be subtle and lurk in the shadows.
Excellent video! I imagine some christians retort to satan's hiddenness would be something along the lines of "oh he convinces you that he does not exist, it's more effective that way" or smt like that. Akin to the popular quote of "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist"
For sure. I think it just falls flat. If a being like satan existed i think, especially the believer, would be absolutely terrorized like Job all the time. This world would look so different. But i can see that point for sure.
@@MindShift-Brandon oh definitely. Imo most times the apologetics/lore on the devil in general just change depending on what the narrative needs it to be.
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Hope you enjoy.
Satan is merely an aspect of the plurality that is the Yahweh.
Genesis 1 is God and Genesis 2 is the Devil.
I sure did enjoy it - thanks!
THE ONLY GOOD IS KNOWLEDGE. THE ONLY EVIL IS IGNORANCE.
- SOCRATES the concept of God and the devil are a Metaphor Representation of good and evil the Duality of man's nature mankind is fully capable of doing good and and evil all by himself it's self Evident Without The fanciful Notion Of influence By imaginary supernatural beings.
Everything you said about Satan in this video he is in fact doing, how can you say that he is NOT doing it?
Satan isn't hiding himself at all (and for the record neither is God) you are just blind to the things that Satan is clearly doing because you don't believe that he exists.
How can you defend yourself against the tactics of something if you don't even believe in that something to begin with?
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...are you aware that Genesis 1 is God and Genesis 2 is the false God?
I find the Romantic view of Lucifer/Satan is amazing. It's basically showing God as a tyrant and Lucifer desiring his own autonomy. Most interesting is that in the Romantic literature Lucifer/Satan does not want to take the throne of God because it'd simply repeat the cycle.
Agreed. Easier to sympathize with the devil!
@@MindShift-Brandonrolling stone lol.
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ooooh hoooo..
You will probably like the book Revolt of the angels.
@@themplar Genetically Modified Skeptic did a little review of that story and frankly, as an atheist, it intrigued me in ways only my then-religious mind was intrigued. I’m definitely adding it to my reading list.
Wouldn’t it be a slam dunk for Satan if he visibly manifests himself, thereby showing that he, unlike God, is actually able/willing to do so?
“Look, here I am in all my malevolent glory!! So where’s your god? Why’s he oh so shy? Is he even real, mmm?” - 😈
Exactly!!
At the very least it would fuck up God's "desire" for "free will" and for people to believe without seeing.
Would he even mention god? Why would he?
Not sure if anyone else commented it, but my mind immediately fixated on the idea of ‘if Satan really is so prideful, why wouldn’t he forge a religion of his own? (a real one, not what fundamentalists come up with in their madness)’. Given hierarchical religion’s benefits to abuse and how thoroughly committed many are to religion, what actually would prevent the modern church(es) from being a concoction of Satan (in their worldview)? That would definitely satiate Satan’s pride after all. Only counters I can think of rn would involve individual doctrines, meaning each sect has to tear each other apart.
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Just a guess, but are some accusing exactly what you are wondering?
"We have it right. Everyone else is damned." Seems to be a repeated theme?
I haven't watched the video yet, but ive always found it funny that religious people automatically assume that if you're an atheist you worship satan😂😂
Im like " look , i don't believe in your imaginary friend, why on earth would i believe in your imaginary enemy? "
It makes no sense
😂😂😂
Usually, If you're an atheist you worship yourself.
@@B1bLioPhil3 that sounds equally silly and frankly, made up. So because I don't believe in your imaginary friend, now I'm a self-absorbed egomaniac? Really? Why can't I just be a normal person who doesn't believe in God lol. If you actually have some evidence to support that assertion you'd better bring it up
@@B1bLioPhil3 Care to provide evidence that it’s an atheist thing?
@@B1bLioPhil3No, you worship nothing. Believe it or not, that’s actually possible. That certainly doesn’t prevent you from ALSO being a self-absorbed fool as the two aren’t mutually exclusive. But I’m guessing you didn’t really care and just wanted to throw out another (equally silly) claim.
Some traumatic phrases I have seen used in regards to Satan are, "Satan has really gotten his hooks in that person" or "Satan has lost but he is going to snarl and thrash and take as many people with him as he can"
Then if anything bad happens or people are going through a trial I would hear, "This is a spiritual attack!" A couple times when I was young I had family shout, "Get out of here Satan! In the name of Jesus. You are not going to curse this house."
After I left Christianity I asked what evidence there was for Satan. The response was, "Have you watched the news? How do you explain the bad things happening?" Apparently people doing bad things to each other is somehow evidence of a demonic angel.
Yes my childhood was very similar! I was constantly terrified
This is my parents’ view. I’m not depressed; I’m harboring a demon of depression. My niece isn’t justifiably angry at her parents; she’s holding a spirit of anger. Every politician they disagree with is (most unwittingly, but some purposely) doing Satan’s will. It’s impossible to argue against
@@alisaurus4224 Yeah it is insane. My parents see spiritual attacks in everything.
Quick background: I felt like my husband was cheating on me for a few years. Fast forward to April 2020 and we had my brother in laws church come out for marriage counseling. The first day the PStor spoke I realized how selfish I was being and my brain started to become thankful for all the steps that led me to where I was today despite all my drama and upsets-- I started crying in front of the pastor. He asked me if I was saved?! sure?? I don't know what you mean because I wasnt baptist, I grew up Catholic. Anyways... I was "saved" they said. And then 2 days later a random email came in to me and I found out that my husband had indeed cheated on me. my husbands brother told me it was Satan trying to split up our marriage just after I was saved. At that time I was shocked-- I felt it was God because I felt as of it was an answer to years of being insane thinking it was true. 😅😅😅 Satan and God are indeed whatever the hell we want them to be.
Why is God going to wait till the heat end (or thereabout) of the universe to punish Devil/Satan (erase sin/restore Eden and all the rest that goes along with it)? Often times Theists make statements such as "you just wait God will ultimately defeat the Devil in the end" or "Devil has already lost but the Devil does not know it yet." Things of that sort. But when the universe will keep going for another give or take 100 trillion years wouldn't ultimate punishments (and judgements) become rather meaningless (at least from a mortal perspective)?
Praise God for he is slow to anger?
Way, way, way too slow to anger!
"you weren't trying hard enough"
translation: you didn't push hard enough to achieve placebo effect.
Thats a good one
They’re right in a sense; if you want something hard enough, your mental state can break down into delusions to believe *anything*
@@ServantofBaalI hear the voice of god after an extended amount of time without schizophrenia medication
I'm telling you: in the bible, satan is the good guy and god is the bad guy.
One tells you to think for yourself and the other just wants you to obey.
and to blindly obey...go stab your kid Abraham
This made me think of the quote "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing you he doesn't exist". How is that a trick though? He could appear as god and convince everyone he is?
Plot twist: God is actually the great deceiver 🤡👍🏽
100% true!!! Everything you said was FACTS. Even if the Devil actually existed truthfully he'd be considered better than God because God created him and allowed him to stay and corrupt his children, instead of stopping him!
Exactly 💯
Satan is not hidden, he conveniently shows up every time I don`t want to take responsibility for my actions
😂😂😂
Same here! Them nasty devil made me gone do it! 😂
😂😂 same here brother
I'm willing to bet that if God and Satan both showed up somewhere, that by their actions people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them.
@@ronaldflint681 yeah and in this scenario satan is the nice one and god is the one with the evil mustache
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Nah, we can tell the difference.
Satan is better than god, he doesnt lie, doesnt kill, doesnt do any evil.
Basing on the bible, its god who do all sorts of bad things.
Satan didnt even do any shit, yet he was already pinned as the bad guy from the get go.
Satan got a bad edit
@@jpstardom3375i mean,satan did kill some people in the book of job and he is notorious for lying,so most of it is God aproved so they get to share the blame
I'm glad you talked about this subject today. I thought about this in the past. I was wondering why Satan is not performing real miracles in false religions in order to deceive people to belong to them, and why when he lost the battle in heaven, God cast him to Earth not Jupiter, not Saturn, nor the Sun for that matter, but it had to be Earth. Where he can make the most damage to the most precious creatures of God, it can't be that God didn't know anything about astronomy and the existence of other billions of celestial bodies out there.
So many great thoughts! Yes just shows how silly and unreal it all is.
Just when I think I’ve heard all of the insights, I read something like this from you. I love it. The universe is billions of light years across with billions of planets, but God cast Satan out of Heaven and down on to … Earth. 🤦🏻♂️ Doh!!
LOL “Why didn’t God cast Lucifer down to Jupiter?” I LOVE IT! What a great question!
Of course, Christians would probably come back with something like, “Well, Satan is an angelic being and can go anywhere,” but it does make them contort themselves even further, and it’s fun watching how much they have to twist their beliefs around to make it all work.
@@CharlesPayet If Satan is angelic and can go anywhere that just shows the sheer power he’d have. To be a fallen angel and essentially be given his own domain in Hell, that seems to me he’s got ridiculous power for someone so evil. Something can be said of how America after WW2 pardoned German rocket scientists in order to fuel their own interests. Hitler and his goons threw the world into chaos and millions died yet the US pardoned a few of them? Seems like God essentially did the same with Satan. But Satan wasn’t helping build rockets, he was helping spread God’s evil. Or maybe, and disappointingly, it’s all imaginary characters and humans really are just pieces of shit for turning a blind eye to atrocity.
Well actually, Non Alcamist, alludes to this. Miracles in themself does not mean Jesus is the messiah let alone God. Numbers suggests God - yahway, performs miracles through him, but to deceive ( wrong religion) this could then include reserection. Further, kinda freaky, in Zachariah, J rock is prophesied But as a false prophet. Now on to motivations.yah is definitely a jealous God. The number 1 sin in yaws eyes is polyperverse paganism. Christianity is the worst. Pneumatic polyperverse polytheism that is. Not one, not two, but three supreme beings.The ultimate moral default position of humanity.
You know how Christians say that we’re on Satan’s side, or that we worship him, or that “a freethinker is Satan‘s slave”? How would they react if atheists started badmouthing Satan? Like really offending his legendary, mythological, pride in the most public and humiliating way. Then follow up with quips like, “would Satan rebuke Satan?” Or, “If I’m supposed to be Satan’s slave, then what do you think a slave owner would do if he caught his slave insulting him? He’d beat his slave to death in front of the other slaves to teach them a lesson. Where’s this devil? Is he so dedicated to lulling you into a false sense of atheism that the PRINCE OF PRIDE is willing to be humiliated by his slave?”
It would blow their noodle for an atheist to insult the devil’s pride, and for nothing to happen to us! They would have to get REALLY obvious with their double think and other thought control tactics to try to propaganda away the fact that his “slaves” are taking the Mickey out of him and he’s not doing anything about it.
Isn't satanism some kind of atheism now? That's not a very good insult if you name a whole religion after him.
@@theboombody It's not a religion. They don't believe in a literal figure of Satan and don't worship anything. It's basically a humanist society. Satan is used symbolically to stand for rebellion against indoctrination any kind.
An invisible battle going on between 2 invisible entities.
LMAO
Ha. Indeed!
And you are the ball to be tossed 😂
This is literally what hundreds of millions of people actually believe…
Satan....one of the most fascinating Christian superstitions. Thanks for the concise overview.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching
That's a topic I haven't seen discussed ever, thanks for that.
As for divine hiddenness, it can probably easily be explained by the fact that god lost his first hide and seek game against Adam, and it's simply taking it's revenge with all of us.
Prove me wrong.
god's hiding in the closet
@@dickottel: better the closet than under my bed.
@nicolasandre9886
That joke was amazing. I actually snorted with laughter, so thanks for that.
@@Petticca what joke? It's still my favourite hypothesis for divine hiddenness ^^
Another fun thought experiment is what powers does Satan actually possess? How exactly does he influence people. Like - is Satan using telepathy? Can Satan read your thoughts? Is he all places at all times like God?
@@ronaldflint681 That's just the thing: Satan basically IS a god. Yes, a lesser god than God, but still a god. Everything about him makes more sense when you think of him this way. He is the Evil God, lesser than the Good God sure (because it'd be hard to sell a religion where the Evil God is stronger, anyway). The Good God allows him to do battle against him for vast cosmic reasons, and this is the explanation for natural evil. His motives are irrational and nonsensical because he is defined as the Good God's opposites, and the Good God is rational and wise. He delights in doing wicked things -- which is odd to think about in and of itself, not many people delight in that kind of thing -- because the Good God delights in good things.
It probably comes to Christianity through Judaism influenced by Zoroastrianism.
Devil can't read your mind but he can put thoughts in your mind .
@@UryvichkI m sorry bro, devil is devil , there is nothing godlyness or holiness in him. He is basically a dick, god made him perfect, but out of his pride , he thought he would be a better fit than god ,hence the battle started, he was casted out from heaven , he deceived Adam and eve . Now , again he is deceiving mankind , exploiting their material weakness and using it to lure them to path of darkness which ultimately causes destruction in their life.
@@SDRickyif god made him pridefull and pride is a sin,did God really make him perfect?
@@SDRicky This "vizier tries to overthrow the King" narrative makes no sense if the King is omniscient, omnipotent and indestructible, and the vizier knows it. BTW, if Lucifer could live in the direct presence of Yahweh in a perfect Heaven (no "sin" yet, no cries of the damned) and still fall, what makes you think _you_ won't? The Heaven you go to will not ever be as perfect, because existence is permanently marred by sin and damnation.
Since it's a ratchet (beings that fall from Heaven can't return and no one ever gets out of Hell), and there is an _eternity_ for you to have a wrong thought or miss sex or chafe against life in Celestial North Korea, it's only a matter of time before _everyone_ ends up in Hell.
Always wondered why god only banished satan, instead of destroying him? PLUS, how great could heaven be if jealousy, anger,hatred, and VIOLENCE occured in 'paradise'?🤔
Also, if the Christian God is timeless and spaceless, as I often hear, how is it possible to rebel against it? What does that even look like? If it is spaceless, there is nowhere to "fight" and if it is timeless, it exists in an eternal "now" where nothing can ever change or be changed.
i tried to tell a former girlfriend that there is no devil or demons, and she looked at me like i was the most wicked person ever. sadly the relation didn't last long.
Glad you got out when you did!
My sweetheart has an expression uttered periodically while watching movies or hearing stories of people's past dating experiences and I've always thought it was great advice:
"Don't stick it in the crazies!"
I'm 14 now
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if my friends found out I was still an atheist (Like the first time I said I didn't rlly believe in god they just kinda bombarded me w/questions & feeding me a lot of bad faith arguments but I stayed queit cuz I didn't wanna start more drama like the whole GC was talking at this point on me being agnostic-)
Their all christian & a week or 2 ago my friend legit said to her friend that she would not hesitate to drop their friendship if he continued being bisexual & everyone who saw her say that didn't say nun so I'm rlly thinking I'm bout to lose my whole friend group if they found out I was agnostic 😭
In order to create fictional superhero characters, you also need to create fictional super-villain characters. It is abundantly clear that the Jesus Christ character had to be given a bad guy to fight, or else he would have no purpose.
Yup. Just more evidence of the fictional aspect.
@@MindShift-Brandon The same concept is used in modern fiction, because it has always worked.
Yeah, sounds like a Marvel bad guy
@@Larry30102 Exactly. The black & white fallacy of good vs evil, which ignores all the events that are neither black, nor white.
What i thought 😂
I love it. You do this in a way that isn't condescending. Maybe this will help a few Christians that are on the fence consider the alternative.
appreciate that. Thats always a hope for me.
@@MindShift-Brandon You claim to be an ex-Christian, yet you have no correct knowledge of the bible to begin with.
You don't even know that the Kingdom of Heaven is Jesus' 1000 year reign on Earth and Jesus' referring to cutting of the right hand if it offends and going into the Kingdom of Heaven maimed is referring to the Mark Of The Beast during the Tribulation Period which will be taken in the right hand.
Want to know what I suggest that you do...
Get truly saved to begin with and then watch the bible teachings of Robert Breaker who teaches the bible in a rightly divided manner as stated in 2 Timothy 2:15 and acquire some true bible knowledge for a change instead of the obvious incorrect junk that you have in your head when it comes to Christianity.
Agreed. A calm and collected argument is more effective than being aggressive. Aggression (e.g. raising your voice/yelling) is what most single minded people want to happen.
I think a much better point to make is to reference a horror movie i saw a while back. Cant remember the title, but basically this demonic witch cures a woman of her inability to speak. Then cures a whole bunch more people. This is all because if they worship her instead of God, theyll all be damned to hell.
The only issue being she kept on doing spooky scary shit to the main protagonist. If shed just not been hostile, been purely benevolent, no one would have been driven to investigate her.
So if i were Satan, I'd just to that. Id be a great healer of worshippers. Preforming tangible confirmable miracles in the modern age would make my divinity indisputable. Everyone goes to hell, i win. Checkmate God!
Right! So many better options for a true enemy if god than hiding.
Someone has already thought of that. It's in Revelation. He's expected to do that, get a bunch of people to believe and worship him, then they'll lose that battle against Jesus and go to Hell.
Except setan is not at all benevolent, he is malevolent as fuck. Yes ther r benevolent spirits and witches for sure, but setan is not in that list for sure.
@@SDRicky the worst villians don't need to kick every puppy they see, if they can do more evil later by appearing good now, it serves their interests.
@SDRicky
Satan apparently lacks the ability to simply smite _everything_ in a global deluge, or even just Bangladesh every year in particular.
If he's evil incarnate, then what could be *more* evil, or more cruel than tricking people into doing the very thing that apparently will force God into punishing _them_ for doing it? All the silly dopey people believe they're cementing their spot in heaven. Just making God apoplectic with rage at their actions.
From an objective standpoint, that's hilariously cruel.
If he is at all motivated to be cunning, and from what I hear that is the case, then it would be trivial for Satan to trick most. If not all the people, humans are delightfully gullible.
Although, the fact that he doesn't sort of brings forth the 'problem of happiness' argument against his existence, but that's for another day.
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he didn't exist."
Oi, I couldn't resist, mate! 😁 But seriously, one question that I always had, even back when I was super devout, was why Satan would actually do...well...anything. Like, if the wickedness that *you're* inputting to the world is only hastening your own damnation, then wouldn't it be wiser to just chill and not do anything? 🤔
Yes, and to refuse to allow Jesus to be ritually sacrificed.
Yeah ive thought that too but also thought. Why not rush and take as many with you as you can.
I usually respond to Christians who say that that’s Gods greatest trick.
@@whitemountainapache3297 He could definitely just skip out of playing the role he's assigned in the Book of Revelation. No "Antichrist," no Mark of the Beast, no Armageddon--thus, no final triumph of Jesus, no Last Judgment, no Hell. If Satan and the demons "chill" (or just head off into space), they _win._
I've been wondering about that "angel of light" thing for some time. I didn't know it was in the bible. It seems to me that if Satan really wanted to be effective, he'd make earth a paradise. Help humans achieve utopia in the most secular way possible. People would be less inclined to turn to God if they didn't have so much doubt and fear. And he could do it unabated because apparently god isnt going to step in. I don't see why Satan would need to make the planet more evil. It would make way more sense to make it more good, without religion. Or at least, without Christianity.
That’s why the world will love the Anti-Christ whenever it is his time to show up on the scene.
Wouldn’t it make even MORE sense for Lucifer to show up under a different name and spouting a completely different origin story and use his abilities to be the deity of the Earth? By being present and doing things, he could even pretend to YHWH if he really wanted to and since the absentee father and runaway son are no longer physically present, who could know different?
Yeah or even write new bibles everywhere
@@MindShift-Brandon kind of weird that beings that KNOW the secrets of the universe are so lacking in imagination.
@rayxav, maybe they are restricted ways we don't understand?
@@pagedprawn3760 then the question, directed at theists as they ask of atheists, “Who put the limitations on the deity(ies)?”
@@rayxav fair
I dunno, maybe he owns a Night Club in Los Angeles.
Another thing. How do the believers know what they think is the presence of the Holy Spirit isn't actually the Presence of Satan? Pretending to be the Holy Spirit seems like the sort of thing he'd do.
I get the reference
Lol! And yes when you have so many invisible forces playing with your mind and soul, who can know anything.
Would he also be super hot and sing like a dark angel?
Well that's exactly what needs to be sorted out. In order to discern them it takes practice. You have to be able to see in real-time every moment what is causing the suffering that's present. It's always there, even in the background.
I'm so glad that more people like you are pointing out the contradictions and flat out wrong things in the bible.
Appreciate that!
The one thing I find glaringly obvious is the fact that all of these stories in the bible and the arguments for the existence of the Christian god completely fall apart with the claim that this god is all knowing. You've touched on this before, so I know I don't have to explain why that is such a big problem.
Satan and god hide, like smurfs, kobolds, unicorns, and pixies hide.
I was a christian once, 45 years ago, but as soon as my brain kickstarted in my early teens, I recognized christian theology for what it was: irrational, twisted and evil, and utterly childish.
The actual reason for Satanic hiddenness: Satan had a head-smack moment, and asked himself, "What are we _doing?!_ Why try to compete with Jesus for human souls, that's ridiculous! Jesus already said that 'broad is the way that leads unto destruction and many are those who find it, but narrow is the path that leads to salvation and few are they that find it,' so he's already _admitted_ he'll lose on points. And that's nothing to do with us devils, it's how _he_ set the 'paths' up.
"So why should we stick around, play by the Book, and keep fighting a war we can't win? What if we all just take off and go surf the Orion Nebula? If I don't do the whole 'Antichrist' thing, he can't play out his Apocalypse narrative, win at Armageddon, and seize ultimate power. The humans get to keep living their lives, and he can't ever hold his Last Judgment and send them--or us--to Hell!
"If we just leave, we _win!"_
I think the main Christian response to the hiddenness of Satan is that he only does what God allows him to do (usually referencing Job). If he seems so hidden, it's because God requires him to be hidden. Basically they kick the question back to God's divine hiddeness.
For me, the biggest problem with Christian's view of Satan is how subtle he can be. You covered this very well in the Tangled Theology video. Basically there's no limit to how much our heart can deceive us. There's no limit to how insidious the devil can be in deceiving us. There's no limit to how deceived we can be in interpreting the Bible (ala Pharisees) . And in some cases, God himself can deceive us in order to fulfill a greater plan. The way Christians tell you to combat each one is to overly rely on the others. It really seems unworkable to me.
unworkable is the perfect word! im stealing this, ha!
Good job on this!!😊
I like to point out how the plans of the most evil mastermind ever conceived are so easily thwarted by people learning to make better decisions and educating themselves. Maybe 'evil' is just terrible decision making and selfishness, and not a being.
I love that!
when i studied the the bible , it says that the heart / mind of man is wicked and deseitful above ALL else, so are the mind of man evil above ALL else or a supernatural evil being created by god? Cant be both! Either way if its us who are the most evil or a supernatural being god must have had evil in his heart first witch makes god the author of most evil and deseitfull above all else anyways. Make it make sense🤯
"like divine hiddenness, but less evil" is a magical subtitle. bravo.
Ha. Thank you!
I grew up in the 80's and 90's. Satan isn't hidden. He gives explicit instructions to impressionable young children when you play Black Sabbath, Beatles and Led Zeppelin albums backwards according to the panic of the day.
Ie. Stairway to Heaven:
Here's to my sweet Satan / The one whose little path would make me sad whose power is Satan, / He'll give you, ...
I've listened to this tons of times. Never figured that out. Maybe I was just to stoned.
Keep up the good work Brandon.
Lol love that!
_"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - The Usual Suspects_ (1995)
That's my Evangelical Christian parents' answer every time this subject comes up.
And in response I always say “the greatest trick evangelicals ever pulled was convince the world the devil was real so they could have their money”
It would be fun to respond to that with:
"Well, look at who made Satan! The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh?" 😂
Well, it's not much of a trick to convince people that you don't exist when you're invisible, is it? Zeus, Apollo, Odin and Osiris all seemed to pull off the same "trick".
@@tulpas93 The character of Lucifer (Satan) proves to me that the implication of heaven is terrifying in multiple ways...
#1 From WHAT cosmic horror does Heaven and God need so much protection that God felt the need to populate his kingdom with these warrior beings, who, by the way, ended up...
#2 ...committing mutiny and being cast into Sheol (Hell)? Why would these ANGELS become discontent with GOD himself if Heaven is such a lovely place? How is that possible in an eternal "paradise"? It also suggests that...
#3 God needs to rebuild a "New Jerusalem" (new Heaven after an angel war messed up the first Heaven?) and wants to add his followers to Heaven, why? Is he recruiting only the most loyal, faithful, and worthy into Heaven; is that so God can rebuild his army? (Half of God's cosmic army was lost in the Angel war in Heaven when God cast Satan and his followers into Sheol.) Does this mean the "false gods" mentioned in the Bible are actually a threat to God? (See #1) Never mind...
#4) ...how did Lucifer (Satan, aka "the snake") even get into Eden? Was he trying to "poison" them with the Knowledge of Good and Evil? Is that what Lucifer did to his fellow Angel followers to make them rebel against God in Heaven? Did they realize something they were doing was "Evil" the way religious people sometimes do before becoming atheists?
#5) The Divinely Hidden (even if one believes) means there's something about God that "He" himself considers "blasphemy" to merely discuss.
#6) The more I learn about any religion, the more I think our religious-minded ancient ancestors had a lot of "cosmic horror" anxieties. Just look what Christianity did for Hypatia, Copernicus, Galileo, etc, etc...
TLDR: The whole problem of "Satan" poses some genuinely horrific questions!
Excellent. These are the specific questions I like to honestly interrogate a belief system, particularly religion.
Something I always wondered about how the religious deal with people with disabilities. There are some really disturbing ways that the religious prey upon those with disabilities and their families, both trying to bring them into their religion and also claiming it's a curse at the same time.
OUR FATHER AND LORD JESUS ARE NOT A RELIGION,they are beyon all churches,and religions..IF you knew them you'd understand why...Everyone claims to know them,BUT VERY FEW REALLY DO...
@@thomasjefferson4492 You have no self-awareness.
@thomasjefferson4492 Claim claim claim. Once again attacking someone for not trying to reach out to your God in a sincere manner.
Shut up. It's getting old and you're wasting your breath here.
In that case - has God's efforts, at clear communicating, been less, than successful, then?
And of communicating, intent, too.@@thomasjefferson4492
Long ago, I once asked my pastor why Satan cannot be forgiven and seek redemption. My pastor said that's not how it works, and I was like why not?
That's the interesting thing about Christ's death on the cross. If indeed his death allows redemption from ALL sin then even Satan should be redeemable. The only answer they can rely on unless they want to admit to Satan's redeemability is that he will never seek redemption.
I'm like you about religion in general. No one seems to explain my questions in a logical way.
Does Satan looks for repentance? You cannot seek forgiveness for something you don't regret in the first place...
This is one of my favorite subjects in theological discussions! I love to ask believers how they know if they are receiving a message from a godly source or demonic. They don't have any good answers, they have answers just never good ones and typically super shallow.
The most common I hear is some version of "If leads to something good, then its from god!", which obviously if I were a demon hiding as an angel, then I would just lead to something good so I can lead to evil later. Like, its painfully obvious how little thought it takes on that answer.
Also, if satan were real and does do all the things that he supposedly does, then we should be seeing tons of people being prolific devil worshippers who have enormous power. Instead, we get the opposite.
In the end, there is no actual way (that I have ever been presented) to determine the sender of a divine message. For angel/demon, god/satan, or even just god/odin.
Everyone knows God my friend and neighbor. God helps us Christans everyday. Mark my words God is always with me.
@@OragansDAristilde_TheChristian glad you feel that way! Just wish it could be demonstrated.
@@TheIronicRaven
Well it's demonstrated by a new heart of flesh willing to obey God and trying to fight temptation by the power of Holy Spirit which is very important because if we sin as Christians the world will have a chance to blaspheme God, and doing good deeds so people may glorify God.God loves you become Christian it's good for your health in all points my friend!
@0raganslessthanJesus yeah I spent 27 years as a christian, a new heart isn't a demonstration that he exists. It's a demonstration that someone has internalized the doctrine.
I became happier and healthier (objectively in both cases) once I left Christianity
@@TheIronicRaven
Well a Christian can't be lost so I hope you come back to your savior and Holy brother Jesus Christ and you will because once a Christian always a Christian!
One thing I never understood, even as a Christian, was Satan being released again after the millennium, according to Revelation. I never got an adequate answer to that question.
Just add it to the list of the 1000's of issues with these darn texts.
@@MindShift-Brandon It used to be,as a Christian, that if I ran into an apparent contradiction in the Bible, or if I didn't understand or was confused about some passage, I would go running for an apologetic book for the answer(s), or for the nearest apologetic youtube video. After a nervous breakdown, some 16 years ago, that all,ever so slowly,started to change.At some point I decided to read the Bible with an open mind and with the least amount of biases that I could.That journey came to a climax eventually, and I woke up to find I was an atheist-about six or seven years ago,and there's no looking back.Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there's no putting it back in.
Brandon, everything you say in this video, as well as in all of the other videos in this channel, makes sense. Thanks for sharing your brilliance with us!
Appreciate that so much.
Don't let this go to your head.. lol I'm kidding. You seem humble.
Keep up the good work. You are very well spoken, and I'm impressed with your ability to produce great content over and over!
Ha! I appreciate that very much and ill go read 10 hate comments to bring me back down just in case
@MindShiftSkeptic 🤣🤣🤣 have a good one bro!
@@MindShift-Brandon😂😂😂
During my deconversion, I prayed to Satan asking him to show up. I was willing to serve him and do damage to the Christians I'd grown to hate.
I didn't really think he was going to show up, but I wanted to give him a chance in case I was wrong in starting to doubt that God/Jesus existed.
Not long later, I finally just decided none of it was real and became an atheist.
Right. Equally no existent as his counterpart
That was a strange deconversion story... but glad you got out!
I loved this video! I’ve had the same thoughts for years. It seems like Satan is more powerful than god, since he’s capable of “ripping people away” from their faith in god. Satan shouldn’t care about following gods rules. Ie: staying hidden. It would make MUCH more sense if he appeared and blatantly told us that god was b.s. and that we’d end up way better off following him rather than such an impotent god, like the god of the Christian Bible. Another fantastic video! So concise, such an easy to understand dialog! Well done!!
Thanks, Lori! Glad weve both been bothered by this ridiculousness!
I love how you started out focusing on the inconsistencies between OT and NT regarding Satan. You would think that alone might make people wonder if he’s that big of a deal.
It sure did for me. Thank you!
@rboland2173Paul is mostly responsible.
As I was deconstructing, Hell was the nail in the coffin. When I let go of that, I felt totally broken. I could no longer believe. I no longer felt I knew who I was or where I fit in. I tried a Universalist approach as I was grieving to seek out a feeling of belonging, but it was short lived. I've always been a supernatural skeptic, but today, I feel less anxiety about the world as it is than ever, while my family members are interpreting spiritual battles everywhere.
If Satan was real, you'd think he'd appear to everyone claiming to be God, and performing the kind of miracles you'd expect from a god.
Right. That would serve both his main goals.
Just yesterday I saw a historic play about the devil trying to sow discord in a marriage and how we all need to watch out for that. 😂 Nice moral lessons as taught in the 17th century
@MindShiftSkeptic-.I don't know how to write you a direct message. Maybe I can't find how to because I'm on my phone right now.
Anyway, thought I'd respond here and check later on my PC if I can send you a Private message if that's what you meant. (I'm not sure because the text seems to be crossed out)
@MindShiftSkeptic-.Really liked this video. I'm glad I found your channel through getting it recommended.
thanks so much. yes my email is in the description of all my videos. I cant list it here or youtube blocks it.
Omgosh I love this channel and your other so damn much!!!! You talk about everything I’ve been thinking for about a year now especially in the last few months, but you’ve put it into words and dissected concepts that have really bothered me for a long time. As a Christian I thought atheists were just angry, militant, bitter and just wanted to live immorally guilt free. Maybe it’s because I was only presented with a certain type of Atheists through Christian programming idk. but recently I’ve encountered so many great atheist channels that have made excellent rational arguments not out of hostility or emotions but just on a quest for truth. Interestingly enough the channels I really like tend to have in common the fact that they all come from a strong Christian background and are highly knowledgeable about what’s in the text, the Christian doctrine and the tactics the churches use to cover up inconsistencies. Bart Erhman was the first atheist I ever listened to and felt like he really made a strong case against the NT and I was pleasantly surprised by how likeable he seemed. He was the beginning of my journey out of Christianity.
Way too kind. Thanks so much for the encouragement and for being here. Glad you are seeing the other side more clearly than how we are programmed to view it. Wishing you well on this journey and feel free to reach out if you need anything.
This channel is gonna reach a million subs …….manyyyyy broken religous people need this channel and teachings
That is very kind of you to say. Thank you.
Ever since I've become an atheist, people have accused me of being a Satanist. They think that since I don't worship God, I must worship the devil.
I don't worship Satan because he doesn't exist, nor do I believe he exists.
I have given Satan plenty of opportunities to show up and show me with undeniable empirical evidence that he does exist.
I've asked several times to bring to my doorstep, 1,000 coors banquets, my favorite beer, for free, and drop them off at my doorstep. If he does that, I will worship him and curse God for the rest of my days.
Since Satan has failed to do so, I will continue to not believe in him. I will continue to be a free thinking atheist who uses logic to reason.
And even Satanists don't worship Satan, lol.
It does seem somewhat out of character for someone whose main fault was ostensibly pride to hide, lie, and scheme, skulking like a thief in the night.
I am trying to write a screenplay about Jesus vs Satan and I am having a hard time coming up with reasons they are fighting that don't sound like plot holes. Especially because Satan is supposed to be the bad guy of the story.
@@Samael580 I will check it out. Thanks for the pointer!
Brandon: when you cover the history of Satan, would you look into the stories that arose surrounding the planet Venus? I know that the Romans called the morning star version of Venus "Lucifer" and the evening star version of Venus "Vesper", but it seems like an obvious correlation that when people were looking at the brightest star in the evening sky and noticing that it never got a chance to cross the heavens like the other stars did, that this could have been the impetus for a story of a super-bright, arrogant angel that kept getting thrown out of the heavens.
Will do. Thanks!
The argument that Satan wouldn't want people to know he existed because they'd turn around and worship God made so much sense as a Christian. Now it's so obviously ridiculous.
I really enjoy your Sunday videos and this one was particularly interesting. I hope you'll do a little more on the subject later on cause I don't think I've heard this take before and it's sorta got me giggling cause it's fun to turn arguments around like that. Especially after that response to Winger.
Your channel is still new but I think you're doing an amazing job with all your content 🔥
Thank you so much for that kind encouragement
Woah! 🤯
I never thought about why the devil would hide?! Why wouldn’t HE show up?!!
Thats what im sayin! Thanks for watching
Because I have heard the lies spoken about me! So tell me if you were me and in a world like this having a bad reputation knowing everything said about wasn't even true would you just be ignorant and go out to the world or would you sit back watch and be smart then make a move? Because I'm not here to destroy the world like they claimed I'm actually here to destroy them for misleading my father's people and taking advantage of your free will so be patient sit back and trust that I A'M Watching and listening. And the rolls that you named are not my rolls given by my father. Im not evil I'm meant to punish those who do evil.-Lucifer
And I apologize if this is scary getting a comment from the literal Lucifer but I watched some of your vids and you got a point,but this one has definitely caught me by surprise.
Be open minded times ticking
Great overview video. Not a topic that I've ever heard discussed like this. Adds more straw to the already broken back of that camel.
Ha. Love that. Thank you!
Great video! I think it's kinda funny how some Christians blame everything that goes wrong in their life or the world on Satan. Sometimes, it sounds like he is more omi-present then God.
Right?!
It’s amazing you have only started this channel, if I’m correct, in April of this year! Congratulation! Confirmation that the world, or at least many many many more people are waking up to the truth! Thank you so much for your work! I look forward to listening to your videos every day! I’m not very techy, can you make your Patreon or page to donate money to your channel easier to find.
Do u know about the "thanks" button?
Hey there! That is all so very kind. Thank you. I will finally be adding a Patreon this week and will cover it in my upcoming Q&A Video.
Oh Mindshift, the spirit told me that satan came to earth for a satan impersonation contest and didn't even qualify for the top 1000. He's been hiding due to the shame. 😂😂😂 Thanks for another awesome video. 🎉👌
This was something I had not given much thought to, but you opened a whole new door about the twists and turns we will go thru to hold on to our social set. Church is all important, groups, social net works, our church family, etc. We can say, I don't worry about hell, Jesus is love, Jesus would not do that etc. Or, say, I don't worry about hell, I'm saved.
What Jesus says, commands in the bible gets dismissed, if it doesn't fit our life style and we latch onto what does. All for the love of community, and I understand how DNA central that is, we are social beings. And church is ready made for that. Good vid and mind blowing thoughts.
Thank you! Yes was very interesting to think about.
wow, i'm kinda over this entire discussion BUT man, your presentation, argument, delivery, and genetic lottery level voice made this entire presentation a satanic masterpiece of persuasion. great job, now i have to once again revisit my personal beliefs on god, 🍌
Ha! What a comment. Thank you very much!
God is all-powerful and all-knowing. He knows the past and he knows the future. Why would he let a creature like Satan exist in the first place? A being that would work against his teachings and that would try to turn people against him? And even if he did do it and later realized (not all-knowing) that he had messed up, why didn't he snap his fingers in order to make Satan disappear?
@@gleidholdu lack logic
@@jamelahallsdyer Pretty sure gleidhold is being sarcastic.
Yeah, this is something I've struggled with for years. Especially growing up as an Adventist. My whole life, I've understood the concept of faith, but the demonic and Satan encounters never made sense. I grew up with pastors saying they've been in houses with the devil. My own father said an entity picked him up the stairs. But as time moved on I realized that all of them were lying for dramatic effect or mixing up dreams.
We've come to a point in society that we recognized that a lot of lying occurred, and especially with having cameras with 24/7 surveillance. Most of the myths have been debunked, most of the sightings were explained, and the goal post has to be moved more.
This is such a fantastic channel. Love this content
Glad to hear it!
Wow. Fantastic The constant hiddenness is so gosh darned annoying. It it so refreshing to jump into any of your videos and hear common sense and logical, rational discourse. So sick of the fluffy and insubstantial nonsense. Leaps of faith....right....so exhausted with leaping.
Thank you.
Appreciate that so much. Thank you!
Mindshift is my favorites. I've watched atheist programming for 20 years and im so sick of callin shows that i almost never tune in anymore. This is religious education. I hope a lot of young people find this channel. They can learn without having to try to defend themselves.
Thats extremely encouraging. Thank you so much!
Life should be a Hollywood horror action flick like 'Constantine' for all of us if this Satan existed.
Oh good way of saying it! True
This is such a damn good question, and I've never thought of it.
Glad to bring it to your attention. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video. This is exactly what set me on the path to Atheism 30+ years ago. I look forward to the next video in this topic.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Never heard of that one actually, but its spot-on. Consequences. Love that you put that out too 😊
Thanks you kindly!
Another great video!
❤🎉😊
Sometimes the stories about Satan remind me of some person, way smarter than me, talking about vampires.
Or werewolves...etc.
This very smart person was trying to calculate the damage those creatures could do, if they could actually do all the things the stories said they could do.
The smart person figured out, that if the vampire, werewolf etc, were real doing the damage the stories about them said they could do...
The human population would be wiped out within just a few generations.
Satan, vampires, werewolves, demons...
Boogeyman...
Primal fear.
Magical thinking.
Superstition.
Love what you do.
❤🎉🎉
Love ya Brandon my brother in TRUTH and thank you so much for all your hard work and time you put in to these videos... it's greatly appreciated 🌹...I send them to my Christian family members hoping they'll wake up and snap out of their comatose frame of mind and their cognitive dissonance.
Even as an Atheist I STILL attend church every Sunday...I attend The Church Of The Holy Mattress🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh yeah as a Christian I had demons and Satan attacking, they were under every rock, around every corner, and flying around everywhere, beware of Satan! Well there aren't any demons attacking and flying around me any more as an Atheist and I no longer have fear in my life... it's so ironic. In my daily life I never have to dwell on thoughts about Satan and demons...I don't think about any of that garbage at all and it's never on my mind. It's so AWESOME to be TRULY FREE from all that slavery and bondage... Christian's are slaves to both an imaginary Jesus and Satan and it's really sad...I feel sorry for them. They give glory to Satan and God at the same time in their minds constantly. It's so ironic how Satanists DON'T believe in Satan and DON'T worship him because they know he doesn't exist but yet Christian's are all wrapped up with Satan and demons... it's no way to live life at all.
We feel much more sorry for you, brother.
@@B1bLioPhil3 Yes I feel sorry for you...I use to be just like you for over 30 years and now I'm so
happy and grateful to be out of the INSANITY of Christianity... it's an addiction just like a drug... it's a virus,
a poison and a mental illness. It's sad and pathetic. Christianity evolved and came from ancient mythological cults. It's a human sacrifice blood magic death cult. The Christian god Yahweh is an evil tyrannical, sadomasochistic, psychopathic, maniacal, genocidal, infanticidal, slaughtering, torturing, mass murderer lunatic who endorses, condones, slavery, and authorized rape, child brides, sex trafficking, torture, the slaughter of innocent people including children and infants, he was the first abortionist who had pregnant women's wombs sliced open with swords and having their unborn ripped out of their wombs, he was racist, a thief, a homophobic insidious, deceptive, lying, psycho and even broke his own commandments over and over again. Christian's don't know any of this because they don't know the Bible.
They don't read the Bible and don't research and study anything about it because they're lazy. We X-Christian Atheists KNOW the Bible inside out, cover to cover and have done thousands of hours of extensive and intense research on it. It was the Bible itself that turned us into Atheists because it's the most evil immoral book ever written and is most definitely not the word of god. Christianity is the biggest hoax and scam ever perpetrated on humanity...the Bible itself is nothing but propaganda, mysticism, witchcraft, sorcery, magic, astrology, gamatrial codes, it's all mythology, legend, folklore and nothing more...do the research.
Do the research and know your bible inside out, then you'll find that everything I'm saying here is pure honest TRUTH.
@@B1bLioPhil3Why?
He is free of Satan.
That is good, isn't it?
Are you a fan of being oppressed, that you don't 0ike freedom?
The same reason all the other thousands of gods like to hide.
You’d think there’d be a single one who actively makes itself known with humans, but alas.
Angels sat with god and still didn't seem all that convinced or impressed.
No reason for satan to be coy with humans when he made the bold move to commit mutiny against god and his heavingly court
Hypothetically: if he showed up in person he might scare people out of sinning, but if he just influenced or possessed key people, or just disguised himself as a human he could have quite an effect. Actually, that might explain a few things.
Kidding.😉
No im with ya. Its a good point. I just think its not consistent.
The Bible, as many other ancient literature are very entertaining and shows us how people used to think in the past. How they understood their place on earth, their values and their wants. Very insightful but of course, just myths.
I've never run across this topic before! Excellent video
Thank you much!
Fun discussion!
When I gave up finding god I looked for Satan. I determined I wouldn’t want to worship the bible’s god anyway, but if demons were real I would gladly trade my soul for some power in life. Surprise, surprise, no demon popped up to make a deal with me.
Not that I'm on board with the implication, but this brought to mind the observation (variously attributed): "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
As a child, every doubt was from Satan, and if he were to appear it would actually make the doubt conscious. Staying hidden in unconsciousness was pretty effective.
Theres a point here. But if you already believe in satan, i dont see why he wouldnt go for maximal damage
@@MindShift-Brandon Oh dear, what a Satanic doubt you just placed in my head :)
Wow! Never seen this topic covered, ever. Explain that, Mike Winger.....oh wait...I might not be truly sincere in my searching for Satan....darn.
lol this got a real chuckle from me!
This was excellent. I never thought about this angle before!
oh, glad to hear it. Thank you very much!
Another great take and reasoning - not heard this one - only gods hiddenness - you would have thought Lucifer - to do maximum damage would show himself…
I think its an interesting one for sure. Thank you!
Great video. Never thought it from that direction but it makes total sense.
In a game theory type sense: if my opponent hides themself but wants to be believed in, knowledge of me and my opposition acts as proof positive that they exist. If God is hidden, Satan's move to make sure people don't believe should be not acting in physically discernable ways. If you don't see God or Satan, it's reasonable to assume neither exists. If you see one then it follows that it should be just as reasonable to believe the other exists.
Your videos are so refreshing to me, calming some of the emotions from inner deeply ingrained patterns. I don’t know if you were involved with teaching in the church, but I’d definitely say you have “a calling” on here 😂 and I’m truly grateful.
I used to think “The Screwtape Letters” by CS Lewis were really profound- they popped into my head as you were talking and I suddenly realised i had been crudely manipulated by a clever man with clear objectives in mind when writing it! My brain just suddenly saw it in a flash when you were talking lol. Or MAYBE just maybe THAT was the devil and he did show up to put that thought in my head (teehee), nope wasted too many years thinking like that
Atheist Sunday school. 😉 😅
Thank you. Thats very kind. I am glad to be of any help at all and yes i also loved Screwtape Letters
Christians on the internet tell me that “the greatest trick the devil plays is to convince us that he does not exist “.
which makes no sense to me. Its a great quote for sure, and i get maybe hiding from already "evil" nonbelievers. But there is 0 point of hiding from the believer.
No wonder they fall for other conspiracy theories too eh? 🙄
I just had a thought what could be another interesting topic for you to respond to. Its just a thought that came up, so if its nonses just ignore. There are some UA-cam Channels out there showing all sorts of supposed supernatural stuff. Much of that, of course, is nonsense, and some of it certainly are fakes... But I think that mayby this topic of supernatural experiences that are not just happening at night to one person could be interesting to explore and learn more about..
For example there is a channell called "Slapped Ham" that shares all sort of stuff..
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When I was about 12 years old I had a somewhat odd experience with another friend of mine.. We were just playing hide and seek in a dark room and for some reason he stopped playing and just stood around. So I asked him whats the matter, and he responded that he saw some darkk figures on the other side of the room.. Apparently he used to have such kind of experiences... I thought he was just making this up, but asked how excactly they looked like, and the way he described them they did the excact same thing as I did, just on the other side of the room... So I made an experiment and did things behind his back that he couldnt see, and he went inside the room and could tell me what I did behind his back, or him even not being there at all...
I have no idea what that was or how to explain it, but think that several things are possible, also a more founed view that simply shows how our brains may be capable of more than we may think.. I think Freud explained that such things simply were expressions of our subconsious mind... Mayby thats one of the things we benefit from once we understand the laws behind it.
Anyways, just a thought if you ever run out of ideas.. It seems many people experience things togther that are difficult to explain, also when it comes to UFOS and stuff like that, and I am very open to there being good explanations to it... just didnt find them all yet :)
Have not heard the hidden devil idea before.
Great to hear some new points and ideas once in a while.
Thank you. appreciate you watching!
I remember my preacher once sayimg that unlike God, Satan wasnt omni present, meaning he could onle be in one place ar a given time.
If thats true, what are the odds any one of the billions of people would ever encounter him?
Lol not what i hear growing up
A+ provocative (yet accurate) title! That's amazing
ha! thank you much!
I'm agnostic. I used to be Christian. I left not because of the Hell thing, but because of the hiddenness problem (when I needed him the most, he wasn't there). With that said, as a native Greek speaker, I can confirm the Hell of the NT is not eternal torture. It "appears" to be annihilation. There's some ambiguity to interpretation of some of the words. But we know what it is not: eternal torment of any sort (definitely not physical. You can make a case that there's mental anguish which is self inflicted, which I guess you can argue is still from God, but I'm not sure the words lend themselves to that interpretation either).
For me, it's just being honest about what the book says. If people become agnostic, or atheist, I would rather they do it for legit reasons, rather than fear in a torture that was never said there anyway.
Been greatly enjoying watching your content. My favorite thing is hearing you enunciate 'every'
Lol. Thank you
I've heard it argued that the reason God created mankind was so that he'd have worshipers who had freewill, and could choose to worship him of their own volition.
But, if the angels can literally rebel, and choose to leave Heaven, isn't that freewill also?
If Angels have free will, and choose to stick around to worship God, then why did God create humans in the first place?
And why does god need worship in the first place? What does he gain from it, being that he's omnipotent and perfect.
@@Mkeusquealbby Exactly. Pride is a deadly sin, but the father of all creation did so just so he'd have lower beings to tell him how awesome he is for eternity.
Excellent video! Thanks for covering this so well!
Glad you enjoyed it!
it's amazing that god let lucifer take all those angels with him, amazing that he let satan be, satan. pretty sure the theist will trot out some 'freewill' nonsense,but we're talking about spiritual deities.
I'm an atheist but let me play devil's advocate (lol).
One reason I can think of about Satan remaining hidden. Is that blatant proof of his existence would lead others to conclude that God is real, and make his job of corrupting everything far more difficult. Strategically it'd be better for him to be subtle and lurk in the shadows.
Bruh this is crazy. Cant wait to dive more into your content, very knowlegable and this vid is specific is insane good
Hey thanks so much. Welcome! Excited to see what you think of it here.
Excellent video!
I imagine some christians retort to satan's hiddenness would be something along the lines of "oh he convinces you that he does not exist, it's more effective that way" or smt like that.
Akin to the popular quote of "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist"
For sure. I think it just falls flat. If a being like satan existed i think, especially the believer, would be absolutely terrorized like Job all the time. This world would look so different. But i can see that point for sure.
@@MindShift-Brandon oh definitely. Imo most times the apologetics/lore on the devil in general just change depending on what the narrative needs it to be.