Hey my company has 12K new 18650s they need to get rid of. I thought of your channel when I heard about them and that you might have an audience that would use them. Let me know if you are interested. I haven't been able to find a good way to contact you.
Damn your video production quality is just freaking ridiculous. You really nailed every aspect of this one to make it super engaging. I bet your "viewer time retention" or whatever UA-cam calls it is really high for this video. I'm sure its a pain in the ass doing these videos over several days while waiting for PCB's and doing all the testing but for the viewer its awesome seeing all the answers to our questions about capacity, power output, application possibilities, etc
Cool video. Regarding the PCB mechanical design, I suggest you to print on a paper your design and iterate from there, and when you have a solid iteration, make the PCB. Iterating mechanical design with already made PCBs is quite expensive and wasteful.
This looks like a fairly easy pack to put together, but I think the cost is way too high to be worth it. Once you add the PCB and BMS you are looking at $200/kwh. Since you can get factory built server rack batteries for ~$250/kwh I just don't think that modest savings is worth it. If the modules go on sale, could be really good though!
I dont know the quality of the server rack batteries but the cuality of this car modules are super hige or the best you can get, so maby the price is ok
@@Bpoweron Quality is hit and miss different brands different revisions have different quality batteries used. And in much the same way, the Price of these is only on this one website, if you hunt around, say your local scrapyard.. You might find a car you can yank them out of for super cheap. Most car scrapping///recycling yards dont warranty electronics (for obvious reasons) and because of that they charge less most of the time. A lot of sensors on engines are pricey, especially now days, If you go find a couple off your identical car, and yank a couple/three off, you are likely set for the life of the car, for a fraction of the price of one sensor new. Then even if one turns out to be a dud, you can still come out net positive saving money still.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 I have yet to find a scrapyard that sells high voltage batteries to the public, they also do not leave potentially lethal batteries in cars for you to "yank" out, good story though.
Super compact and super explosive if something goes wrong. Beside the fun of building the PCBs and fiddling with rare car battery banks, not sure how making your own DIY power wall out of lithium bombs makes any sense in this day and age when you can get LiFePO4 server rack batteries at a very low price per KWH. Yes, not super compact, but I will stick with super safe for my house.
@@jehugarcia Oh for sure, goes without saying. Just please help people understand risks when you talk lithium Ion batteries, which are super compact and make total sense in cars, but not in homes where you sleep and have small kids. And try JLCPCB, not as advanced with all the bells and whistles options, but for the kinda boards you make and vast majority of fabrication needs it's far cheaper than PCBWay.
Well, with the exception of those you mentioned, literally every other lithium battery in our lives are LiCo02. So just how dangerous are they? an order of magnitude less than riding inside a car for sure. lithium fires have taken 14 lives so far this year compared to 200+ in car accidents in NYC.
@@jehugarcia it's good that you have the statistics, I for sure would not want to one of 20 out of 200. Statistics are only fun when they happen to others, and there's so much nonsense promoted on YT that it's more like a jungle where lots of well intended folks an get seriously damaged or hurt. Depending which fake news you prefer, there seems to always be an EV chemical fire somewhere or in someone's garage, it's fun to watch on TV because if it's in your area you literally have a day to drive there and see the lithium ion fireworks in person, because nobody can put out that fire. But hey I get it, nothing is like livin on dha edge.
Dam I wish I lived in North America.. you have so many cool products I'd purchase :) Outside of the Make own kits that would be reasonable for shipping to Poland, the rest is beyond my pocket.
You might want to consider Hardie board or some other cement board for your backer. No matter how safe we try to make them, just about all battery technologies and electronics pose at least some risk of fire.
Great video and batteries look good for aome applications. Also, would it be possible that before you order the pcb's, can you do an image capture, print a sample to use as a template? Just a thought and thanks for the video. Wonder if something like this can be used for a bluetti ac200max..
Im sure it could be, as long as the supporting electronics can handle it. I dont know anything about that unit, but if the rest of the internals can handle 48 then you should be golden.
When I'm designing boards, I tend to make them as good as I can then sleep on it and continue the next day with a fresh set of eyes and a clearer mind. I usually find more bugs that way before sending the file out. Also, the cell taps could benefit with additional current capacity. Not much but a bit more for when using active balancers for more accurate voltage balancing. One more thing, I always hear you say "PCB boards" its like saying "printed circuit board boards" haha no worries just wanted to point it out 😁
Owawooo 😯👏👏👏 One question 🙋 Your wall looks wooden is and how much kg all that batteries if on top of eachother ? If earthquake happens? Is that danger for wall mounted batteries ??? Thank you very much and best regards from Philippines 🇵🇭☕☕☕
Each 13S 20A BMS comes with a 14pin cable. Why not just mount the BMS to a heat sink above the battery lid and run the cable leads to the battery cell terminals?
If you are only monitoring the batteries how are you going to balance them?? does that not require a little current sink? or is it really enough to "resist" their flow by bypass techniques...I must study up!!
13s ios not the same as 48v lead acid, 14s liion is equivilent, because the median voltage isnt the same, , a 48v abtteryw hen flat is below 13s min voltage meanign it will kill batteries
I understand that you look at the heat generated and say that it will handle a certain amount of amps. How much battery degradation should be happening when used so hot with that many amps?
So I need to do my first ever battery and I’m going the DIY but I just saw your Jaguar cell video. Which would you recommend for a 48v “power wall” with a Growatt 12k inverter and what would be the difference?
well, these are practically sold out, (few modules left). the jaguar ones might work well with your inverter if you use 5 packs in series (15s) for working voltage range of 45v - 62v, If your inverter can be set to work with that voltage then Jaguar modules can be used. Otherwise just use LiFePo4 jag35.com/products/high-discharge-600a-lifepo4-1780w-prismatic-cells?_pos=9&_sid=d5fdaf68c&_ss=r
How the hell did you figure out that 13S is 48V? Are these LiPo? If these are LiFePO4 batteries, the nominal voltage 41.6 which a long way from a 48V setup. 13S is a bigger prick than the 220KW of 12S packs I have.
@@jehugarcia I was not aware that you only did LiPo stuff nor that cars only used them (quick google search says otherwise). I thought you covered all types hence the need for correct details. Anyway, your content is not much good for myself as its only suitable for US markets.
Hi jag, i got truck load of this batteries but they are 12s 1p and 8s 1p if you are interesting to buy larg wolume im also looking for reseller, hope you ok with this post, i alredy made pcb board for modules.
You move camrea L/R up down Quick , who look 50" big TV get trouble in eye , cannot to end. Please may be to stay position camrea to get Million viewer.
We need every content creator that does a PCB way PCB sponsored or not but show a total price per board. It’s nice to design a pretty board and get it sent out but if it’s like $200 we’d like to know that😂
For bare circuit boards they are one of the cheapest out there especially if you need a few. If you only need 1 then you have to factor in shipping etc. In qty of 5 these boards should be around $10 each.
Ok… so you are going to chose to be pedantic. Your statement is only true if I had specified modelS but I didn’t. I said teslas. So if you wanna lie go for it. I’ll know not to pay attention.
Tell you what… show me a single instance of someone trying to jailbreak the Q5 in order to use the battery for diy purposes. Which is the context in which I reference Q5s being rare compared to teslas.
The one big flaw Behind These batteries are that they are lithium ion they are too dangerous to use in a residential setting. Use them only in a concrete building 50 ft away from your home.
I hate it when people are going through stuff, using 1 hand fumbling around holding the phone/camera in the other, and the viewer gets seasick from all the motion. Get a tripod and make stationary shots, be professional...
@@jehugarcia C'mon Jehu, just refund the guy the ticket cost for attending your movie. 🤣 Thanks for posting these videos man, I've learned a ton and really appreciate it.
Custom PCB - www.pcbway.com/project/shareproject/Audi_Q5_13s_Battery_Module_BMS_replacement_Board_3b43940a.html
Audi Modules - jag35.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/48v-audi-q5-phev-modules-zero-miles-samsung-cells
6.5kW 48v inverter - amzn.to/3DDFRsX
Hey my company has 12K new 18650s they need to get rid of. I thought of your channel when I heard about them and that you might have an audience that would use them. Let me know if you are interested. I haven't been able to find a good way to contact you.
Wow Audi made those packs incredibly easy to swap out repair and replace.
Damn your video production quality is just freaking ridiculous. You really nailed every aspect of this one to make it super engaging. I bet your "viewer time retention" or whatever UA-cam calls it is really high for this video.
I'm sure its a pain in the ass doing these videos over several days while waiting for PCB's and doing all the testing but for the viewer its awesome seeing all the answers to our questions about capacity, power output, application possibilities, etc
Cool video. Regarding the PCB mechanical design, I suggest you to print on a paper your design and iterate from there, and when you have a solid iteration, make the PCB. Iterating mechanical design with already made PCBs is quite expensive and wasteful.
Its a nice clean compact pack but i will only use lifepo4 for safety reasons. Everyone to their own though 👍
This looks like a fairly easy pack to put together, but I think the cost is way too high to be worth it. Once you add the PCB and BMS you are looking at $200/kwh. Since you can get factory built server rack batteries for ~$250/kwh I just don't think that modest savings is worth it. If the modules go on sale, could be really good though!
I dont know the quality of the server rack batteries but the cuality of this car modules are super hige or the best you can get, so maby the price is ok
@@Bpoweron Quality is hit and miss different brands different revisions have different quality batteries used. And in much the same way, the Price of these is only on this one website, if you hunt around, say your local scrapyard.. You might find a car you can yank them out of for super cheap. Most car scrapping///recycling yards dont warranty electronics (for obvious reasons) and because of that they charge less most of the time. A lot of sensors on engines are pricey, especially now days, If you go find a couple off your identical car, and yank a couple/three off, you are likely set for the life of the car, for a fraction of the price of one sensor new. Then even if one turns out to be a dud, you can still come out net positive saving money still.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 I have yet to find a scrapyard that sells high voltage batteries to the public, they also do not leave potentially lethal batteries in cars for you to "yank" out, good story though.
Super compact and super explosive if something goes wrong. Beside the fun of building the PCBs and fiddling with rare car battery banks, not sure how making your own DIY power wall out of lithium bombs makes any sense in this day and age when you can get LiFePO4 server rack batteries at a very low price per KWH. Yes, not super compact, but I will stick with super safe for my house.
You do you, let the rest of us have fun
@@jehugarcia Oh for sure, goes without saying. Just please help people understand risks when you talk lithium Ion batteries, which are super compact and make total sense in cars, but not in homes where you sleep and have small kids. And try JLCPCB, not as advanced with all the bells and whistles options, but for the kinda boards you make and vast majority of fabrication needs it's far cheaper than PCBWay.
Well, with the exception of those you mentioned, literally every other lithium battery in our lives are LiCo02. So just how dangerous are they? an order of magnitude less than riding inside a car for sure. lithium fires have taken 14 lives so far this year compared to 200+ in car accidents in NYC.
@@jehugarcia it's good that you have the statistics, I for sure would not want to one of 20 out of 200. Statistics are only fun when they happen to others, and there's so much nonsense promoted on YT that it's more like a jungle where lots of well intended folks an get seriously damaged or hurt. Depending which fake news you prefer, there seems to always be an EV chemical fire somewhere or in someone's garage, it's fun to watch on TV because if it's in your area you literally have a day to drive there and see the lithium ion fireworks in person, because nobody can put out that fire. But hey I get it, nothing is like livin on dha edge.
I have several modules that are very similar that were made by probably the same factory for the eGolf, they are 16v though
Amazing work, bruv!! Thanks for sharing. Couldn't find pricing of the board in the link.
Can't wait to see the next video
These look great! They would probably be amazing as a ups for the pc.
Dam I wish I lived in North America.. you have so many cool products I'd purchase :) Outside of the Make own kits that would be reasonable for shipping to Poland, the rest is beyond my pocket.
can't wait for part 2
Awesome content, I would buy some but unfortunately I live in Canada.
tempting to upgrade my 2013 Jetta Hybrid --- double the range
Hell ya jehu my favorite type of content..🙌🏽🙌🏽🔋🔋🐐🐐👑
You might want to consider Hardie board or some other cement board for your backer. No matter how safe we try to make them, just about all battery technologies and electronics pose at least some risk of fire.
please make a step by step for dummies video on how to do this ! thanks! I live in third world and get outages all the
Maybe try scanning the pcb?
Do you know an inverter that can plug on those batterie to power an house in 230volts ?
It could possibly be a fire hazard and should not be stored inside your home but that can probably be said about a lot of things.
its way better than chinese ebike batteries
You need to ship to Canada
Great video and batteries look good for aome applications. Also, would it be possible that before you order the pcb's, can you do an image capture, print a sample to use as a template? Just a thought and thanks for the video. Wonder if something like this can be used for a bluetti ac200max..
Im sure it could be, as long as the supporting electronics can handle it. I dont know anything about that unit, but if the rest of the internals can handle 48 then you should be golden.
We need you to come and do talks in the UK please Jehu.....!
keeping your cam as much as possible on a stand, makes it less nauseating ;-)
Hi,
What is the maximum discharge current and the discharge current ?
Thanks you
When I'm designing boards, I tend to make them as good as I can then sleep on it and continue the next day with a fresh set of eyes and a clearer mind. I usually find more bugs that way before sending the file out. Also, the cell taps could benefit with additional current capacity. Not much but a bit more for when using active balancers for more accurate voltage balancing. One more thing, I always hear you say "PCB boards" its like saying "printed circuit board boards" haha no worries just wanted to point it out 😁
Owawooo 😯👏👏👏
One question 🙋
Your wall looks wooden is and how much kg all that batteries if on top of eachother ?
If earthquake happens? Is that danger for wall mounted batteries ???
Thank you very much and best regards from Philippines 🇵🇭☕☕☕
25lbs each so 300 lbs, not that much . Big bolts into steel framing it’s fine
Bro. So intriguing. I’m an electronics nut. Watching you make that PCB was impressive. Thank you !!
Question. What was cost on it per ?
$1.80/piece @25x
you need a laser cutter to throw those pcbs drawings on cardboard/balsa/plywood/fg board for fitment bro.
Each 13S 20A BMS comes with a 14pin cable. Why not just mount the BMS to a heat sink above the battery lid and run the cable leads to the battery cell terminals?
Because then pcbway couldn't be a featured sponsor duhhh
@@suicidalkatt😂
Yeah that's exactly what I would do. Solder on some ends and still screw them on. These Audi cells are amazing
The bms actually works standalone.
Only for balancing tho.
Thank you
Be AMAZING for sn EV conversion,say a fully electric Prius?🤔mazda Miata🤔Peugeot 206🤔Peugeot 504🤔
Super💪, też mam te moduły 👍gdzie mogę kupić pcbway ?pozdrawiam
Awesome video!!!
Anyone wants to split the cost of the PC Boards they're 80.00 for 5. I only need one. I live in LA.
Hi Jehu, what software are you using for designing schematics? Thanks
Pcbway online tool
How do I unlock the Jump battery packs ? I'm connecting multiple packs for a 8000 watt hub motor . Please send some knowledge,🙏✌️
.. Still awaiting that knowledge?
any great project
I miss my friend how are you good how much is 1 battery blue battery after bubbling light on off on of still
If you are only monitoring the batteries how are you going to balance them?? does that not require a little current sink? or is it really enough to "resist" their flow by bypass techniques...I must study up!!
13s ios not the same as 48v lead acid, 14s liion is equivilent, because the median voltage isnt the same, , a 48v abtteryw hen flat is below 13s min voltage meanign it will kill batteries
I understand that you look at the heat generated and say that it will handle a certain amount of amps.
How much battery degradation should be happening when used so hot with that many amps?
Beteeen some and all
Hey there, wondering if this powerwall can be shipped as a ready to use format?
Excellent
I want onesoon, I'll be in the money soon.
Which software did you use for designing your PCB? Can you recommend it? :)
EasyEDA
Nice
What was that battery capacity meter you used. I’d love to get one.
s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFu9liX
How hard would it be to make one of these 12V?
Not worth it in my opinion. Just get one of these instead jag35.com/products/fully-assembled-12v-lev60f-battery-lifepo4
Where can I contact you? Would love some of those modules
Why do you need to contact me? The link to buy them is in the description.
would they be 12v compatible??
Yeah with step down converter
Surely those tracks have to carry balance current as well?
So I need to do my first ever battery and I’m going the DIY but I just saw your Jaguar cell video. Which would you recommend for a 48v “power wall” with a Growatt 12k inverter and what would be the difference?
well, these are practically sold out, (few modules left). the jaguar ones might work well with your inverter if you use 5 packs in series (15s) for working voltage range of 45v - 62v, If your inverter can be set to work with that voltage then Jaguar modules can be used. Otherwise just use LiFePo4 jag35.com/products/high-discharge-600a-lifepo4-1780w-prismatic-cells?_pos=9&_sid=d5fdaf68c&_ss=r
What is the difference between the L & the M ?
Thanks again
Just Layout, they are mirror
@@jehugarcia Thanks
Is it legal to diy this where you are?
DEECENT!!!
Or maybe Jehu has an extra board he doesn't need he can sell me ?
I have a 1500 w motor what size bms would I need
1500w or bigger
Sorry but not sure can't find watts on bms only amps volts .Also because it's 1p do you need a bms ?
What is it with the shades.
batteries, thats what's up.
what isthe charge rate of this battery? at what voltage should charge? and what is top and bottom cut off voltage?
Exact cell specs are unknown but you can charge 2c just fine so 60A per module . NMC based cells operate between 3v-4.2v So x13 = 39v-54.6v
Thanks for the reply@@jehugarcia
What’s the weight of one pack?
26lbs
Charging specs?
Cell voltage.
3.?
Where can we get Audi batteries?
In the link
How the hell did you figure out that 13S is 48V?
Are these LiPo?
If these are LiFePO4 batteries, the nominal voltage 41.6 which a long way from a 48V setup. 13S is a bigger prick than the 220KW of 12S packs I have.
These are not LiFePO4
@@jehugarcia You didn't state, lots of detail was missing, left to assumptions.
Hybrid car batteries are never LiFePO4
@@jehugarcia I was not aware that you only did LiPo stuff nor that cars only used them (quick google search says otherwise). I thought you covered all types hence the need for correct details. Anyway, your content is not much good for myself as its only suitable for US markets.
Lord …. More wrong assumptions ua-cam.com/video/ySBtJOR2x-4/v-deo.html
Hi jag, i got truck load of this batteries but they are 12s 1p and 8s 1p if you are interesting to buy larg wolume im also looking for reseller, hope you ok with this post, i alredy made pcb board for modules.
Send me pictures at jehu@jag35.com
29.6v thats pretty low for 13s
You move camrea L/R up down Quick , who look 50" big TV
get trouble in eye , cannot to end.
Please may be to stay position
camrea to get Million viewer.
We need every content creator that does a PCB way PCB sponsored or not but show a total price per board.
It’s nice to design a pretty board and get it sent out but if it’s like $200 we’d like to know that😂
For bare circuit boards they are one of the cheapest out there especially if you need a few. If you only need 1 then you have to factor in shipping etc. In qty of 5 these boards should be around $10 each.
I'm not sure what you mean by rare, Tesla wishes they had sales numbers for their Model S that Audi has for the Q5
How many hybrid Q5s are there in the world compared to modelS/X? Stop being pedantic when you know the statement I made is in essence true.
If by "in essence true" you mean false then you are correct. @@jehugarcia
Ok… so you are going to chose to be pedantic. Your statement is only true if I had specified modelS but I didn’t. I said teslas. So if you wanna lie go for it. I’ll know not to pay attention.
Ok, let's agree to disagree. I'll be pedantic and you'll be a prevaricator and we'll go on our merry way. @@jehugarcia
Tell you what… show me a single instance of someone trying to jailbreak the Q5 in order to use the battery for diy purposes. Which is the context in which I reference Q5s being rare compared to teslas.
The one big flaw Behind These batteries are that they are lithium ion they are too dangerous to use in a residential setting. Use them only in a concrete building 50 ft away from your home.
So are you saying if you have the car these came from, park it in a concrete building 50 feet away?
@@dilbertnewton6864😂
I hate it when people are going through stuff, using 1 hand fumbling around holding the phone/camera in the other, and the viewer gets seasick from all the motion. Get a tripod and make stationary shots, be professional...
Profesional? Nope that’s why i do this, so I don’t have to be profesional.
@@jehugarcia C'mon Jehu, just refund the guy the ticket cost for attending your movie. 🤣 Thanks for posting these videos man, I've learned a ton and really appreciate it.
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