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My wife and I went to a "dude ranch" while in Texas.
The cowboy preparing the horses asked if she wanted a Western or English saddle, and she asked what the difference was.
He told her one had a horn and one didn't.
She replied, "The one without the horn is fine. I don't expect we'll run into too much traffic."
HAHA!
Don't stay out late. She'll want to know where lights are.
Oh, that can't be true!
Now THAT is funny!!!🤣🤣
Even if it isn't true!!! (but ya never know with them city slickers......😁)
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I'm pretty sure "Blazing Saddles" is pretty accurate. I heard the Old West was full of Heddy Lamar references.
HAHA!
Hedley
Yes, HEDLEY!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@toddwebb7521 Beat me to it!
I'd argue "Don't touch the white woman" is much more accurate
One of the funniest things I've seen, are Westerns placed pre Civil War, with Winchester 92s and Colt SAA 1873s as the arms of choice for everyone. It just cracks me up, the complete lack of care for history.
Yep.
The *Comancheros* is a good example. Terrific movie, but every weapon is a breech loading repeater. Numerous other anachronisms as well.
Still some if them are very good. You just have to suspend your disbelief for an hour or two.
I watched a documentary about the invention of the Henry repeating rifle. It showed an encounter between a group of Texas Rangers and Native Americans before the rifle was designed. The rangers were carrying Winchester rifles, and they were miming muzzleloader reloading between their shots.
every john wayne western
Appaloosa is another good one for historically accurate costumes and gunfights
True, they did do pretty great on that. Some of the hats were off, but still well done.
I remember watching Shane for the first time. The build up to the gunfight was such that when it finally happened the sound of the gun made me jump.
I had to lower it a lot in the video!
Shane is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Your videos are terrific, but they are too short! You have truly mastered the old adage, always leave 'em wanting more.
Thank You!
Probably the biggest inaccuracy in Westerns is that none of the denizens of the Old West were anywhere near as attractive as the actors who portrayed them. But you gotta sell tickets. 😀
Yep
Diane Lane in Lonesome Dove for instance. You never see a picture of anyone of her profession in the West looking anything like her.
@@Jim-Mc I warn against using the word "never" when talking history. There are easilly searchable photos of very attractive women in the west. Some were prostitutes (Daphne from the town of Tombstone for instance).
I like how Tombstone had a scene of the Earps chowing down on Chinese food, as it had already become extremely popular in the US at the time. That's right, cowboys liked takeout lo mein too.
They did. There's also a scene in Deadwood where Jack McCall eats some.
Looking forward to Part 2 Santee.
OK!
Where the old West is concerned, most movies will always have some sort of inaccuracies, but Cowboy vs. Aliens is spot on😅
I always thought the plot without the aliens would actually work well. An outlaw leader with memory loss...!
Perhaps some of the '30s western accuracy was due to availability of actual pieces from that time, and recollections of some old timers who actually lived in that era.
Second that. Meanwhile later generations had less access to that sort of thing and before the internet research would have been a bit more involved than a quick little google search.
Yeah, many of those cowboys grew up in the tail end of the era and knew about the clothes and the mannerisms.
The Big Trail was surprisingly good as far as I could tell. I also was impressed with Ride with the Devil.
Ride With the Devil with Toby McGuire, The Outlaw Josey Wales, and a transitional Western (early 1900's) Old Henry would be three of my picks.
Good choices. These are great films that hit on a lot of levels
By watching in order, RIDE WITH THE DEVIL, THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES and THE LONG RIDERS, a fairly accurate historical picture is created of the "Bleeding Kansas Redlegs / Southern Bushwhacker" era , covering the Pre-During-and-Post Civil War. All three are SUPERB movies, accurately depicting the changing life cycles of the men involved. In JOSEY WALES, a pair of Dragoon Colt .44's would be more historically accurate and likely than a pair of Walker Colt .44's, but that's a VERY minor quibble!
Very good choices. 'Ride with the Devil' is one of the best Civil war films ever along with 'Glory'.
I just watched The Alamo a couple of weeks ago. I really enjoy your videos they're just over too soon. Thanks for all the hard work that you do and bringing this to us every Saturday morning. 🤠
Awesome! Thank you!
Western movies need more Smith and Wesson No. 3 revolves, and Merwin and Hulbert revolves, and fewer Colt revolves. And absolutely no Schofield revolves and that Volcanic Repeater in Red Dead Redemption was stupid! If I remember the Smiths outsold Colts 3 to 1 at the height of the Western Era, and the Schofields were all sold as surplus to Bannerman's, cut down to 5 1/2", and sold to police departments in the east, not to mention the Schofield can't shoot .45 Colt ammo. Somebody make a Western set in 1905 or 1910 with an Oldsmobile and Ford Model A operating alongside horses, and early Colt and FN semiauto pistols, and a Browning A5 semi auto 12 gauge!😂
Great point.
I always thought that The Outlaw Josey Wales is an accurate movie with the use of black powder firearms and a lot of the realities of the frontier as well as the guerilla style fighting Josey used and was needed for fighting not just the Comanche but the Yankees who were after him. Even though it's technically a mini series Lonesome Dove also does great with the hardships and horrors of the frontier and accurately portraying the lifestyle. Overall great video I always enjoy your content, please keep them coming.
Thank you!
Cool video santee
Thank You!
The Outlaw Josey Wales always felt right to me.
It has it's moments.
For all it's faults, the Young Guns films are a personal favorite because they did away with a long standing pet peeve of mine; belt loops instead of suspenders.
They have their moments, those films.
I hope the Lonesome Dove series is mentioned next! The prequels are filled with cameos from people like the Parker family, Charlie Goodnight, Joel Glanton, and so many more!
Great book series.
Thanks Santee for another great vid, every Saturday afternoon ( when I see it here in wales ) i really look forward to learning something new and interesting!! Keep 'em coming! 🤠
My pleasure!
I'm not really much of a movie goer but the movie Tombstone had me riveted to my seat.
Cool!
That's real good law dog 😂
@@MichaelKeller-sf5yq Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens.
The wrong guns in westerns makes me nuts. John Wayne could be playing a Rome soldier and he'd have had an 1892 Winchester and a SAA.
HA!!
Actually the Duke did play a Roman Soldier (a Centurion at the Crucifixion) armed only with a sword in "The Greatest Story Ever Told." He only had one line, but it is unmistakably his voice.
@@WhaleGold Right!!
Most accurate portail of the US Cavalry during the period was F Troop.
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I think what most people don't understand is that they wouldn't like a 100% historically accurate western dramatic film. That's called a documentary. The key to enjoyment imo is a balance between history and cinema. Tombstone 1993 strikes the balance very well. The basic true story is there but some legend is included, event time lines are compressed and many interpersonal conversations are invented with an excellent script that make it a very entertaining movie. I agree with you 100% on 2007 Jesse James film. It was very accurate, slow moving but enjoyable for understanding some profound facts about James' demise.
I agree with ya. We want Hollywood to be entertaining and historically accurate, but that can't always happen together. The shootout at the OK Corral is a good example. Quick, smokey, close. Not good for film.
I agree with you except, except for Tombstone, that movie is nearly a comedy in my opinion.
Well on the opposite side some particular examples of stuff that is period incorrect include in Unforgiven set in 1881(Garfield assassination in the news) little Bill asking for.30-30 ammo when the posse is getting supplies (caliber not invented till 1890s)
A Russian Galand revolver (invented 1870)is among the revolvers in the gun shop in the Good, The Bad, and The Ugly set during the US Civil War
Oh yeah, plenty of inaccuracies in all types of movies. Even today.
I was just about to mention that bit about Unforgiven.
I think for realism for the time The Shootist came pretty close. So did Big Jake.
They had their moments, but not as accurate as the ones we've listed.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Although, J.B. Books riding a streetcar is kinda "authentic" for the 19-oh's when it's set.
@@guyfaux3978 Yes. Horse drawn street cars were a thing.
Nice one, Santee. There's so much BS in so many Western movies, especially ones that are supposedly "based on a true story" that it's easy to write off _all_ Westerns as pure fantasy.
Not that there's anything wrong with pure fantasy, _per se,_ _Beowulf, La Morte D'Arthur, Star Wars_ (in its original form) are all pure fantasy, but are worthwhile stories. It's when filmmakers claim to merely be recounting history and get it all wrong due to laziness or "artistic license" _(My Darling Clementine, Heaven's Gate_ and myriad others, on and on _ad nauseum)_ that -really pisses me off- really disappoints me.
McLintock! was based on Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew
The Proposition an Australian Western from 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep
Santee, Thank you very much for the great Old west content. My favorite Westerns are Tombstone and Lonesome Dove. How does Red River 1948 stack up to getting it period correct? You and Mrs. Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend. LORD GOD Bless and stay vigilant.
Fantastic!
Mornin' Santee
Hiya!
Lee Marvin Monte Walsh.is a favorite. Italians brought correct period firearms into use especially navy colts and 66 Winchesters. Still a movie is a movie. Every gun in The Searchers is wrong but it's still a great great movie
Yep!
One thing I like about history is how things can change with time from the clothing, dialect, and how the home and enviorments look.
Yes!
I was hoping you would do an episode on this very subject. You did a great job as usual, keep ‘em coming! Thanks!
You're welcome. More to come.
Where is Sukiyaki Western Django in that list?!
Just kidding. From the ones i hadn't seen yet, Hostiles seems very interesting.
Though is there any chance you could add a list of the movies in the description for these kinds of videos?
HAHA!
I will think about that.
i love holky woods saddle selection
those 1960 western pleasure saddles from Sears rake the cake
HA!
The Last Hunt. About a buffalo hunt is a good old west story.
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I felt Old Henry (2021) was quite accurate in terms of costuming and firearms. Also an entertaining film. Shame it didn't do too well in terms of earnings though.
It's becoming a sort of cult classic...so it just might.
Is the comancheros on this list?.... lol i will show myself out
LOL!
The 3:10 to Yuma Remake is another one of my favorites for period correct. You have to give it to a movie that went out of its way to find a Spencer or Bannerman Shotgun instead of using an 1897 Winchester
Yeah, they had some good moments. The sparking lead bullets against wood was incorrect, as were a couple costumes. All in all, great film.
That was so cool. Thanks, Santee, for the audio/video clips. They are always terrific. That's a great topic...
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Good!
"Oh Yeah Baby" 😁 Now this is a subject that always piques my interest. Glad to hear there will be more on this topic 👍
Yes.
Saturday morn'n, coffee ☕, and the Ghostriders.
Another fine glimpse into the world of Westerns and Hollywood 🎬🎥
Thank You!
Definitely need another video on this subject! Thanks for this one!
More to come!
I hope my youtube channel will one day be listed in your Period Correct Westerns but I think have some more work to do.
We are all working on stuff, but I'll check it out!
I am spending a lot of time at the moment watching old Westerns. I can see why my Grandmother liked Randolph Scott. I think you are right to cut directors some slack on accuracy as long as the film is entertaining. I frequently look up characters from films to see if they really existed and what they were really like. Your posts inform much of my viewing. Pity there isn't a, "Ghost Riders of the Caribbean " for my next favourite genre.😂 😎🏴
Awww, thanks much.
Thanks Santee! Always good stuff.
I appreciate it.
Son of the Morning was the closest to Custer, but still like all these modern historians, they like to poetry Custer has a nut job instead of maybe a Get it Done Solder of his time, least he went with his troop and not sending them ahead while he staid back at the fort....
I am one of those movie sticklers that like a bit of western accuracy. I watched my share of westerns over the past 60 years, so according to Wikipedia the most accurate is was Hatfield's and McCoy's with Kevin Costner. I followed that movie with Wikipedia threw the whole movie. And I can also say, it's also one of maybe 3 movies of all time that I actually seen a actor PUTTING bullets IN a gun belt, that is extremely rare, I always seen acters taking bullets out of gun belt but not putting them in.....
As far as true gun concept in movies, Pale Rider is most accurate, I have that same revolver but dont shoot as good...
My favorite westerns are Roy Rogers, very unique concept with cars and telephone with six shooters and horses, so I'm not sure if they are westerns but the story lines are very could, I just wish his movies was preserved better...........
Thanks for sharing your choices.
there was a dinosaur in the ALAMO
Little known fact.
honestly I think people just find the bad guy and good guy to be more entertaining. Now the historically accurate are amazing! Just people enjoy the good and the bad guy movies, especially in the westerns!
It's a standard recipe.
Excellent episode Santee. Have a great weekend! Cheers!
Thank You, Tim.
Charles Bronson ⏰From Noon Till Three 🌵is a Classic Westen Movie 🥀
Oooo, never seen it. Will check it out!
The T-Rex at the Alamo Santee, which side was he on? Thanks Heaps, Thanks Loads and I hope to see you on down the tttttttttRoad! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thank You!
Excited for the western museum!
Me too.
Very Cool Episode. I’ll be looking forward to seeing that museum when we come back down for piggies. Maybe even Coues Deer, should we draw. Anyway, still, I love all the magic of Old Tucson. One of my most favorite places to visit.
SO glad to hear it. Will look forward to seeing you.
My mother-in-law once did a lengthy presentation for a local historical society on the accuracies (and several inaccuracies) of Tombstone, and I learned a LOT from her.
As a follow-up to this, I'd love to see a video on some of the most egragious inaccuraicies. (I once had a blog and did a multi-part series on the travesty that was the "History" Channel's Texas Rising.)
Sadly, they are all inaccurate to a degree. Movies like Tombstone, Hostiles, Dances With Wolves and some others get so much right and set the bar higher for newer movies.
I'll be talking about Horizon this Saturday but will probably do Tombstone at some point.
Great video Santee!
Thank You!
Definitely left out lonesome dove, maybe next time
Well, it misses on some period correct things, so I left it out.
@ArizonaGhostriders im curious what it is.
Another outstanding episode, Santee!
Thank You!
"Paint Your Wagon" really gets the California Gold Rush about as "period correct" as I've ever seen! The movie is also hilarious and has some great songs. Yes, that's right, "Paint Your Wagon" is not only an Epic rendition of the Gold Rush, it does it as a comedic musical! And Lee Marvin as the "former Mountain-Man-turned-gold-seeker-and-professional-drunk" is too GOOD to be missed. Add a passing Mormon who decides to divorce one of his wives at the Mining Camp, in the legal vacuum of a lawless frontier territory, and you get the insane hilarity of the miners deciding that since only mining law is available, that the divorced Mormon wife can be considered an "abandoned claim"! Sam Clemens (AKA Mark Twain), spent the years of 1861-1864 in Nevada Territory, at Virginia City, during the "Flush Times' of the great Comstock Lode silver strike. In 1872, Twain wrote a great book about those times, ROUGHING IT, and Twain's wonderful description of how crazy Virginia City was in those years, makes the antics in "Paint Your Wagon" seem normal for a "Wild West Mining Camp"!
Terrific movie. Always wanted to see the stage version. How do they do it??
I know this is a lil off track...but I'd like to hear your comments on "Quigly Dow Under"....( Not in the US for one....)
Such a great film. Characters are terrific. Plot, too.
'Will Penny' (1967) looked authentic, nothing overstated, repaired clothing & an unusual mix of period accurate firearms, which was probably more true to life than we see in a lot of westerns where they all have fancy rigs & Colt peacemakers.
"Tom Horn' (1980) depicted a pretty accurate vision of the early 20th century west.
I'll check Will Penny, and Tom Horn had its moments.
If I want historical accuracy,I watch PBS & the History Channel.
Remember in The Undefeated,how John Wayne's Colonel John Henry Thomas & his outfit were in the post Civil War years with Winchester 1873s & Colt 1872s handguns?
Oh yes.
@doughesson Well, these days History Channel and "historical accuracy" don't necessarily go hand in hand, but I get the sentiment. Still, historically accurate films can be a great way to teach the public about a given period and entertain them while doing it, so don't write the idea off!
That's correct. They are also more entertaining than most docu-dramas. Which, if you liked it enough, might be encouraged to look up the history yourself.
As I recall, Arizona (1940) was the first time anyone used the what become the Old Tucson Studios.
That's correct
What about "The Wild Bunch"? I always thought it portrayed the Mexican Revolution period pretty well.
Might be a good one to explore.
Gonna have to watch these Westerns now! Thanks Santee!
You're welcome.
Authenticlyicly very much good awesome episode thar, Pard. Sorry to see Bill got blowed up with John Wayne. Keep up the great work! Cannot wait fer more!
Thank You!
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about THE TERROR OF TINY TOWN. 🙄
HAHAH!
Brilliant, Santee, just Brilliant. Regarding Little Bighorn, my understanding is Custer and his men were basically shot at long range by superior weaponry, contrary to all the riding round you see in the film. Santee, please, please comment on 'The Horse Soldiers' (John Wayne and BIll Holden) based on the book of the same name, in turn based on the true account Grierson's Raid. A great film, but how true to the actual events, etc? I would love to know.
I'll look into it!
Great video, I'm glad that Tombstone is seen as being relatively accurate, one of my favorite films. I can't wait to hear if The Big Trail (1930) makes the cut for accuracy.
Same here!
You had a glimpse of McCabe And Mrs. Miller, which has excellent gritty realism.
But you missed Hawmps! (1976).
HAHAH! Hawmps. Funny film, but not correct.
My biggest complaint about some of the older westerns is that they look 1960s, clean shaven short haircuts with modern Stetson looking hats.
Yes they do.
"Dude, what the hell!" 😂😂. I laughed hard at that one.
One of my peeves in movies is when you see someone fall, or crawl or something, and you see brand spanking new soles. So new they aren’t even dirty yet. Once I saw a Viking with Vibran soles. 🙄. Something like the sole of a boot is very very often forgotten about by wardrobe people.
HAHA! Yes!
Very very few Hollywood westerns have ever been period correct, saw one the other night , story was set in 1861 I believe, everyone using 1873 Colts and 1892 Winchesters and clothing that didn't exist.
Nowadays we are making more period correct ones.
Ok, so how about the LEAST accurate? Or the few westerns with time travel...
For another episode.
Have you seen Rob Word's Word on Westerns UA-cam channel? He does sometimes post full-length Westerns in the public domain that I'm sure everyone here would ike.
Oh yes.
Speaking of "Old West" cinema have you seen the series "Hell on Wheels", and what were your impressions of it?
I like the series a lot. Really gives a good feel of that part of history.
Well, there's a few films to put on my watchlist. Thanks for the video, and I look forward to any future ones on the subject!
You bet!
My mother's friend taught Brandon de Wilde in school. Said he was real bastard.
Wow.
I thought Wyatt Earp, with Kevin Costner got it way better than Tombstone. I know the Shootout was SPOT ON 🤠
The shootout was probably the most accurate of all films, but the costumes and sets were pretty off. Buscadero rigs and non-accurate hats.🥃
The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez takes place at the beginning of the 20th century, but the depiction of frontier Texas life is pretty gritty, not to mention the fact that most of the film takes place out in the wilderness makes for a compelling film.
OK! I'll search it out.
Hey Santee, what did you think about the Deadwood series on HBO? I realize the some of the real people portrayed were not like the characters on the show such as Hearst. The character Swearingen however from what I researched was pretty close to the real dude. The set however was fantastic, especially in the beginning episodes. Many things portrayed on the show such as the smallpox epidemic did happen and Calamity Jane actually did help with the sick.
I will do a video on Deadwood at some point.
Sante Fe Trail 1940 with Ronald Reagan and Errol Flynn as Custer and JEB Stewart was like watching a documentary LOL 🤣
HAHA!
I recently saw The Dead Don’t Hurt. I was looking forward to seeing it and was disappointed. The way the movie was edited together made it hard to follow.
Hmmm, I'll look into it.
Good afternoon Santee, I really enjoyed that thanks,.Its always interesting how much real history movies use and how much over dramatic events they add for crowd immersion.
Have an amazing rest of the week.
Glad you enjoyed it
Yeah it is interesting - obviously older movies had it a little easier since there was still surplus from the era around but now being 100 years later, it isn't like you can find this stuff still laying around. Plus people have an expectation of what the old west looked like even if it is wrong. For me, as long as they don't do anything too blatantly wrong then I am generally fine - I want it to look as accurate as possible but having a certain model revolver a few years early or wearing jeans more than they should isn't a huge sin.
I love the clothing in Tombstone, I am a sucker for long coats. I had heard that when they started filming Wyatt Earp, they basically scooped up all the western clothing Hollywood had, partially to screw over Tombstone. Because of that, Tombstone got a lot of Victorian Era clothing to use which was very accurate since a lot of people were still coming over so that style was being wore and adapted in the frontier. Gives it an amazing look.
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Always thought "Silverado" seemed like a good western.
Sure was a fun one. Just not period correct.
can't wait till next week; but by-the-by happy father's dad dude. All the dudes at homestead!🤠😃
Thank You!
Great video, always looking for new westerns to watch and found a couple here I have not seen. Looking forward to part 2.
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All of them are more accurate than Bonanza. Bonanza starts in the late 1850s but it feels like 1910.
Yeah, well tv didn't try very hard back then when it came to accuracy.
I think one of the more accurate old West movies I saw was back in grade school some 40 years ago. No exciting gun fights though. It fallows the story of a woman with a ranch. It was a drama and probably nailed how things actually were, that is pretty boring. Scenes I remember are her and the husband she met out there delivering a calf, and the one where she loses a baby to the harsh winter, and they have to wait till spring to bury it.
Sounds fairly accurate.
Its not history correct because of twist at the end Old Henry from 2021 thats damn good movie
Fun film
Monte Walsh was great.
Yes.
One of those rare occasions where both versions (1970 and 2003) are well done.
@@Atpost334 absolutely.
Dang I think I have seen almost all of these except Son of Morningstar, and some of the others from the 30s and 40s as well
Nice!
What about Big Jack of 1970 which plays in 1907.
Had it's moments.
What’s the name of the last black and white movie shown? Was that more footage from Arizona?
No, that's from a good one called Cimarron (1931)
I would add Monte Walsh to the list. I like the Tom Seleck one but the Lee Marvin version ain’t too bad either.
I think they both have their merits.
This was fantastic. I believe I have seen all these older movies. Good job.
Thank You!
I have a friend whose dad is from New Zealand who adored Westerns. He named his son Shane.
Fun stuff!
I don't have any puns this week, because I stand corrected.
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I believe my favorite would be the North Field raid part of the Long Riders. I don't know how historically correct it was,but the slow motion action of bullets ripping through flesh, would certainly make someone think twice about pulling off a bank heist.
It was definitely fun!